Dealing with Tim , Kyle and Tim Jr. shows the unconditional love Carla Gross has for her husband and children... a true Gem of a Woman.... BTW - Gordy needs both 27"and 700c wheels to properly diagnose domestic and imported mowers... Even Ronnie knows that! "And there's yer Spinner ! !"
Wow, this brings back old memories. Back in the 60's When I worked for the City of Tampa repairing parking meters, we had one similar to the the one you showed here. We used it to reset parking meter posts that had been bent or broke off. The attachments we had were an electric pavement breaker, and a rotating rock drill. We would throw the propane powered generator in the back of our Cushman Truckster along with a small mixing tub, hoe, shovel, some Sack Crete, water and we were in business. The unit worked flawlessly for years with only routine maintenance. No propane issues. We had a safety device ( 3" pipe coupling with 2 pieces of angle iron, one welded on each side of the coupling. You would place one foot on each side of the coupling on the angle iron and insert the rock drill into the coupling before pulling the trigger) for the rock drill to keep you from pounding your foot instead of the payment. Ha Ha BTY my buddy found out the hard way. OUCH! Thanks again for the memories.😊
I think the propane/natural gas conversion is a good idea since you never know when your electricity may go out and you need to run it. The gasoline goes stale after a while, but the propane/natural gas will not be affected with time. Excellent video Taryl!
You guys are nutz... I have a 3500 watt Honda genny that I bought in 1991. I change the gas every Spring and Fall. I use non-ethanol and add a bit of Stabil 360 anyway.(drain the float bowl after each run) Starts on the second pull every time. Take care of your equipment for crikey sakes.... I just had a utility fail and the Honda did perfect. I do like LP as it is very clean burning. I work on LP HGS generators for a living. I have installed hundreds of them. I will keep my Honda....
Taryl, you just get better all the time, still laughin. I'm 70 and you've taught me so much. Always look fwd to your next one, and sometimes it's a surprise. If it wasn't for your pretty face at least you could succeed with your knowledge and sense of humor.
Nice upgrade. Thanks for covering this Taryl. You’ll be a plumber soon! A recommended upgrade, get a quick disconnect for your gas cylinder for quick changes. Remember, propane and natural gas is less energy dense so your generator won’t be able to reach maximum output.
You lose around 10% of maximum power on propane and another 10% on natural gas, roughly, assuming your motor is matched to the gen head. If the motor is oversized then you might not lose as much or any. For example, you need around 10 hp for a 5kw gen but on NG your 10 hp motor is now an 8 hp motor so now you have a 4kw gen. If your 5kw gen comes with an oversized 12 hp motor (most don't) then you wouldn't lose anything.
Just bought THAT same generator for 35 clams off of the marketplace! The owner just wanted it gone due to carb issues which made it a steal. After cleaning the carb it does run fine for me, but rather than run that ethanol crap through it and having to run it dry or drain it after every use or even worse chance having it clog up again, I’m going to convert it to propane. That’ll be a dream come true, so thanks for running us through hookup Taryl. Im one happy grassrat now, too easy!
Ethanol gas is junk. After about 30 days sitting in the hot humid summer weather, it gets nasty. However if stored over the winter, I've had no problems using it up in the spring if I add fresh fuel to it in my mower. I think the reason is fresh gas used the same day from a gas station has no water in it (yet), and that 10% alcohol will dissolve any gunk and absorb what little water gets into the fuel during the dry cold winter months.
Thanks for the video on the conversion kit! I've always wanted to know if it was worth the effort, but the idea of never having a tank of stale fuel when I really needed a generator, was what convinced me to pursue doing this, plus the smooth running and effortless starting you demonstrated! Thanks Taryl! 😁
It's nice not having to worry about gas breaking down and clogging things up! Next stop after modding this is to put an interlock switch on your breaker box so you can connect the generator to it and pick which parts of your house you'd like to run in the event of a power outage. I had that done for about $250 and it's a nice piece of mind!!
@@warrenvalentino5763 the interlock switch for the panel is much cheaper than a transfer box. My genny isnt big enough to power the entire house so I just switch off all the breakers and then switch on the rooms I want to run, pretty cool!
@@masterofnonetv8361 =>That's exactly what I have. A large generator only sucks up a lot more fuel just running at an idle and that's the last thing I want after a hurricane is to have to go out & look for propane or gasoline. I only run my generator an night to power our window AC & refrigerator and then during the day for a while to keep the refrigerator cold.
I LOVE THAT SETUP, IT'S A NO-BRAINER. NO MORE FUEL TROUBLE. THE HELL WITH GASOLINE. I'M GOING TO GET MYSELF A KIT. BUILD A BOX FOR THE GENERATOR, I WONDER IF IT RUNS A LITTLE COOLER, WITH THE PROPANE. I'M GOING TO USE NATURAL GAS FOR MINE. 🤔 TARYL, THAT WAS SO FUNNY USING THE DIAGNOSTIC WHEAL AT THE END. PRICE LESS. THANKS AGAIN TARYL.
My in-laws live 'Up North' as we call it. They have a small generator skid, but if it doesn't get started regularly, which it hasn't, the gas and anything that touches gas goes bad...I seriously could have used this video about a year ago. They junked the generator, and purchased a new one that can run on propane, and had a line installed off the propane line that already goes into the house. Could have saved a ton of money with this video and the help of me, their no-good son-in-law, heh.
Taryl I really enjoy your videos and have been watching them for 2 years. I have been converting engines to propane for 40 years. I am not an expert but I have learned a lot. The method shown is the correct and safe way to do it. Tho without any provision for automatic fuel cut off the operator needs to be very diligent to shut off the valve on the tank when not in use. Because propane runs higher cylinder head temperatures than gasoline one or two colder heat ranges of spark plugs helps the engine run much better. Also iridium plugs help starting. I 1987 Honda TRX 350 I converted 5 years ago that I plow snow with. Runs great and uses less fuel.
Use NG at my home, cost is cheaper than propane to keep furnace, ac, freezers, kitchen, etc...5 years now. Quick connect fittings. Upgraded to tri fuel generator 13000 watt, and transfer switch at electrical panel. Awesome setup
Deb and I thought the same thing, our home in Greenwich we buried a 1000 gallon propane tank, converted everything over as I ran black pope in addition to leaving the electrical hook ups in place. So one fill up in August ran us the whole year with no top offs. We sold and moved back to Salem, and installed an above ground tank 1000 gallon. Same as before one fill up, good for the year. If I convert my 10,000 watt Northern Tool generator we may install another 1000 for the Gen set. I'm not mixing the two supplies heat and generator.
I've been eyeing this kit, and others like it, for a few years....glad to see it's not a scam, as some of those websites look like they haven't been updated in forever. I'm still curious how that setup with the fixed adjustment handles changing loads....it seems to have done well with the saw, but that wasn't a huge challenge for a 7,000 watt generator.
I run my log splitter and lawn tractor on propane. I just took out the float needle and ran the propane straight in the carb. Its more finiky then doing it properly. Getting the mix right when starting is tricky but when its running its fine.
Great Video with valuable information Taryl. I did mention you when I ordered my kit and was told they have received several orders and appreciate the plug. My kit arrived today and I will be installing it soon. Thanks again!
Thanks for video on LP kit. Had been thinking of doing a conversion for years but seeing this got the ball rolling. Just ordered one for my generator. Cant wait till it gets delivered. Maybe you could come and help me install. I got cold Hamm's waiting.
One word of caution. If someone is converting a Honda generator or other power equipment, and it has electric start, a different flywheel may be required as the timing is different for LP or CNG. We had two new pressure washers that we had converted to propane, and the mechanic couldn't get it to run properly. He's done lots of small engine repairs, but this was a first for him. After purchasing new flywheels, the engines actually ran well, and have been doing well since. This mostly applies to Honda engines less than 10 years old, and possibly engines that have had an electric start kit installed. The difference between the two is the location of the keyway on the flywheel. We thought about getting new keyways broached in, but opted for new flywheels. Our pressure washers did not have two regulators in the kit, but all of our pressure washers use forklift LP tanks and high pressure hose assemblies to the regulator.
Electric start has nothing to do with the timing. On gens, it doesn't seem like propane changes the timing enough for you to need to change the flywheel. You can get offset woodruff keys so you don't have to actually change the whole flywheel to advance the spark. Some ppl say you should reduce the spark gap by about 25%, so if you are running 0.030 then down to 0.023.
Great video as always. I think you still put the gasket between the propane adapter and the air cleaner box on wrong. Maybe it should have been flipped 180 left to right instead of up and down? It will work, as the hole lined up with the bore, just looked like not much sealing surface in a couple areas and the gasket hanging out in a a couple other areas
Nice work Taryl. I'd like to put one of theses on my riding mower .I get tired of messing with carburetor every mowing season. I like propane the oil always stays brown, an the fuel systems last along time. Can't say how many times I spent so much on carb problems.
Interesting video. When I was a kid growing up in the mid 50's (I'm 77) all our tractors (Moline) ran on Propane. I don't remember any problems with them.
Great reply, good point and thoughtful comments. In the farm tractors that needed beu coup torgue late 60's to middle 70's, and now many natural gas companies use it for their vehicles. Lawn mowers maybe not:)
I changed the tank connection on the regulator to the tool less kind, makes changing tanks easy. Gotta keep plenty of propane for the patio cookers for making beer and distilling..... (er) water....yes distilling water not rocket fuel!
42:07- Yes Sir, you are correct once again. Propane has a higher pressure than Natural Gas. BTW, I'm spending my 4th of July weekend enjoying watching this video just for the enjoyment factor! Thank you Taryl!
I put one of those kits on once. I must have had the wrong size tank or kit as I had to run it with the choke partially on so it wouldn’t surge. It was a 10hp Briggs flathead I was using it to build a house it ran so lean/hot that it smoked the exhaust valve and lost compression. By the time it stopped running I had permanent power so I gave it to my brother he lapped the valves and removed the propane parts and ran it out n gas at his off grid cabin
I bought the one with the carburetor snorkel. Not the donut. It hasn't been used, but all set up. They told me if the generator is new you have to run it on gas for four hours before conversion., 4K watt craftsman. Thanks for video, reminds me of something I didn't follow through on. taheyheyhey! 🍺
Notice how much smoother it runs. I have installed 2 kits from @USCarburetion and they work great. I used the Motor Snorkel version that requires NO modification to the air box or generator frame. I wouldn't tie the feed hose to the frame as there is a lot of rockin' & rollin' going on with the rubber engine mounts, might rub through the feed hose. Tip: Make sure ALL sources of possible infiltration are closed off, ie. bowl drain & fuel shutoff valve.
yes anything that can leak air into the system like that can cause it to run lean. Which is not a good idea on gaseous fuels like natural gas or propane since they're considered 'dry' fuels and you can burn up exhaust valves running an engine too lean on LP or Nat gas. Too rich isn't good either, gets things clogged up with soot, especially those spark arrestor screens.
Super idea. Kits have been around for a while now. Watching you assemble it make the rest of us feel more comfortable about doing it ourselves. I have a genset with a 6 cylinder IH engine set up with propane. Works great. No stale fuel. 👍
I did a propane conversion on 25 HP Kohler engine and I had to use a 50 pound tank because overfill valve on the smaller tanks would restrict the flow of fuel I needed. I did this 20 years ago. The engine still have the same original oil and it is still yellow. I love propane and my garden shredder starts up anytime that I want to use it.
I'd change out the adapter on the propane tank to use quick connect fittings. Makes changing the tank much easier. Also use at least a 30 lb tank instead of the 20 lb tank.
@@MitchEllis-e4y TD does mention 1.Orfice, 2.Elbows, 3.Nipples, 4.Gas and probably more not picked up. TD is a stallion repairman to bad he is shutting down the business but completely understandable. Howlin' Wolf & Eric Clapton would be proud of TD learing from "Back Mower Man"😂
Another thing I didn't even know existed..... I have duel fuel, but one of my neighbors was talking about if there was a way to convert to propane.... I guess there is!!!! Nice job!
@@thomasfx3190 People are very interested in propane gas, because it stores forever. Taryl has already broken down how short the life span of liquid gasoline is....
I am very happy to see this. Your tightening the fittings Tooo tight my friend. There is only ounces of pressure, not pounds of pressure. The problem is the threads are being stretched and damage to fittings. Put the 10 and 12 inch crescent away , and grab the 6 and 8 inch. Snug is all that's required.
Nice, complete kit. My buddy up in MN has to run his on propane because of bad gas and sludge in his tank. He didn't need a kit though since his Champion genny had both options.
You are correct. Propane has 2.5 times as many btu per cubic ft of gas so it will have a smaller orfice size. Propane also runs at a slightly higher pressue for proper combustion
Love propane. I have a 1968 ih loadstar dump truck with a 392 that runs on propane. Don't have to worry about gas going bad and the oil stays looking new.
It's better if you have one of those cheap kilowatt plug in meters. They tell you the voltage and the frequency of loads that you plug into them. You want to adjust the speed of a generator so that you're getting around 60 cycles (hz). The RPM of the engine determines the frequency and also the voltage. You can do it by ear but a meter is better.
It depends on the engine. Newer overhead valve engines have higher compression ratios than the old school flathead engines and don't lose as much power on LP versus gas. However it is 5-8% less, and that's mostly because in order to run the most efficiently on LP gas, the compression ratio needs to be slightly higher, as well as more spark advance. LP gas has an equivalent octane rating of about 110, so it burns slower, and needs more time to get the fire going, so that's the reason for more degrees of advance. You need to fire that spark plug well in advance of the piston reaching TDC, or the main reason you're losing power is you're sending unburned propane right out the exhaust, it didn't have enough time to complete combustion. It's also more resistant to detonation, so you can increase the compression ratio. There is a point of rapidly diminishing returns however, because without some sort of forced induction like a turbocharger, increasing the compression ratio increases the pumping losses of the engine, plus increases the stress on the internals. Very high compression engines come with very heavy pistons and rods etc like a diesel engine, so with a small engine like this you can't go crazy with the compression ratio or you might pop the cheap head gasket or stretch the head bolts, these small engines aren't built like a nascar engine... lol
Awesome video. I think the kit is an excellent idea. It seems that there is always someone selling a used generator because they couldn't get it running. In many cases it's probably due to gunked up carburetors from old gas,
This might be a stupid question but it just popped in ..my head ..I wonder if lights can be put on a push mower...it's been so hot to work during the day lol
If it's electric start, yes, but the alternator may not make enough electricity to power them to a useful brightness. Also, you'd probably be sacrificing charging the battery in the process. The alternator might be swapped-out with a higher-output unit, but more engine power used to make electricity is less available to spin the blade. If it's pull start only, you'd need to add an alternator, which is a stator, new flywheel and probably some sort of regulator/rectifier (which may or may not be included with the stator). The flywheel should be a straight swap, but there's a good chance the engine will need modification to mount the stator. A rectifier should just tuck under the flywheel while a regulator is easily mounted just about anywhere. Finally, incandescent lights are pretty agnostic and forgiving about the electricity you feed them, so long as the voltage is relatively close to rated. However, they use 7-10x the power as LEDs for the same light output. LED's on the other hand, depending on the support circuitry running them, may require DC only at a pretty consistent and stable voltage. I wouldn't run LEDs with just a rectifier unless the support circuitry was specifically designed to handle the output. Of course, there's always just slapping some battery-powered/rechargeable lights on it.
If that new spark plug was an NGK they recommend no anti sieze. Its nickel plated so that stops the siezing. I dont use any on them myself but It cant hurt to use it.
Love your videos taryl they are brilliant and very interesting and informative 👍 please keep them coming tyrel they are awesome. Regards from ireland Patrick Brazil.
Where I live propane refills are around $4/gal at U-Haul ($17 for a #20 tank) and propane has around 80% of the energy so it works out to around $5/gallon gasoline equivalent. Could be more (if you do the tank swap thing at the grocery store where they only give you 15 lbs.) or less in some parts of the country - some guy in TX told me that he pays $12 for a fill. $5/gal sounds high but if you are using this for emergency backup and only going thru a tank or two, paying a couple of bucks extra is nothing compared with having the gen start and not having to deal with dirty carburetors.
@@throwbo I like the storability of propane. You could get bigger tanks like the ones RV's use as well. Give you some more run time and you can still move them around without much trouble.
And...when it gets cold (-30 C or worse)...NG won't freeze up on you like 20lb bottles of propane. Don't remember the old 1000gallon tank freezing up, but few people running those anymore due to cost of propane vs NG.
Great job Taryl! I want to buy that kit for my Predator 9000 but I want to connect it to natural gas. Instead of using a Ty Rap to secure the fuel hose you should use an Adel clamp and a self tapping sheet metal screw, It would do a better job and look more professional.
I’ve had a few of those gens that had the propane fuel . They also had a solenoid valve to turn the fuel on when you started cranking on it. Good job but they loose a little in their output because of the difference of btu in gasoline and propane. Good video.
Differance isn't in btu so much as the substitution of air for vapor fuel. Gasoline takes up less volume threw the manifold than propane so less air per power stroke means less power. LPG injection on cars don't have any noticeable difference in power.
I did some fast forwarding so I might have missed it if you mentioned that using propane will lower the running and start up/surge wattage capability of the generator. Roughly a 1000 watt reduction for running watts if I'm not mistaken. So something to consider as a trade-off for the convenience of not using gasoline. I believe natural gas lowers the wattage capability even further.
pipe sealant needs to be spread around the entire fitting before screwing them together. It’s really used as a lubricant more so than a sealant. pipe threads are tapered they’re gonna get tight eventually. Pipe sealant is more like extra insurance. notice that the sealant that’s already on the fitting goes around the entire threaded surface Notice Taryl dud put sealant all the way around that last fitting quite liberalll
I have a similar kit to my generator, it worked just fine, I have a harbor freight unit predator, the reason between natural gas and propane is propane has a higher BTU rating than natural gas.
2500 btu per cubic foot at atmospheric pressure versus approx 1000-1050 for natural gas. Performance wise there isn't much difference, regular gasoline needs about a 13.5-14.7:1 air/fuel ratio to run properly, natural gas about 10:1.
I have installed a propane conversation on one of my generators year ago. Two things to know. Number one, propane does not put as much power as gasoline. You have to derate the generator. The second is that you have to change the oil according to the manufacturer's recommendation on oil change hours. The great thing is propane stores forever. You can use up to 40 pound cylinders. With a small adaptor you can use 100 pound tanks. Store up several tanks as soon as something happens, everyone is headed to Walmart or whatever to buy tanks for their grill, etc.
Yah but there's always cylinders around, big box stores have them, gas stations etc. In fact if there's a widespread power outages, sometimes it's easier to get a tank that get gas from a gas station. If the gas station has no power, you won't be buying any gas. Versus if you pay with cash if the credit card machines are down, someone can always get a key for the padlock and get you a tank of gas and exchange your MT for a full one.
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One of the better skits. Nice to see the Mrs make a cameo!
Dealing with Tim , Kyle and Tim Jr. shows the unconditional love Carla Gross has for her husband and children... a true Gem of a Woman.... BTW - Gordy needs both 27"and 700c wheels to properly diagnose domestic and imported mowers... Even Ronnie knows that! "And there's yer Spinner ! !"
I dunno. He's unwrapping a lot of 'Space Shuttle' parts in the beeginnin'. : /
Yeah he needs to read the manual, everybody knows the Red wire goes to the Sparkplug.
That where the wheel get's power from.
old man fart jokes,,brass nipples, elbow.
@@Cathooker2 never cut the blue wire
Relatively certain her real name is not Carla
Wow, this brings back old memories. Back in the 60's When I worked for the City of Tampa repairing parking meters, we had one similar to the the one you showed here. We used it to reset parking meter posts that had been bent or broke off. The attachments we had were an electric pavement breaker, and a rotating rock drill. We would throw the propane powered generator in the back of our Cushman Truckster along with a small mixing tub, hoe, shovel, some Sack Crete, water and we were in business. The unit worked flawlessly for years with only routine maintenance. No propane issues.
We had a safety device ( 3" pipe coupling with 2 pieces of angle iron, one welded on each side of the coupling. You would place one foot on each side of the coupling on the angle iron and insert the rock drill into the coupling before pulling the trigger) for the rock drill to keep you from pounding your foot instead of the payment. Ha Ha BTY my buddy found out the hard way. OUCH!
Thanks again for the memories.😊
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I think the propane/natural gas conversion is a good idea since you never know when your electricity may go out and you need to run it. The gasoline goes stale after a while, but the propane/natural gas will not be affected with time. Excellent video Taryl!
Never seen a retrofit kit go together as well as this! Well designed and manufactured!!
You guys are nutz...
I have a 3500 watt Honda genny that I bought in 1991.
I change the gas every Spring and Fall.
I use non-ethanol and add a bit of Stabil 360 anyway.(drain the float bowl after each run)
Starts on the second pull every time.
Take care of your equipment for crikey sakes....
I just had a utility fail and the Honda did perfect.
I do like LP as it is very clean burning.
I work on LP HGS generators for a living.
I have installed hundreds of them.
I will keep my Honda....
Taryl, you just get better all the time, still laughin. I'm 70 and you've taught me so much. Always look fwd to your next one, and sometimes it's a surprise. If it wasn't for your pretty face at least you could succeed with your knowledge and sense of humor.
Nice upgrade. Thanks for covering this Taryl. You’ll be a plumber soon! A recommended upgrade, get a quick disconnect for your gas cylinder for quick changes. Remember, propane and natural gas is less energy dense so your generator won’t be able to reach maximum output.
You lose around 10% of maximum power on propane and another 10% on natural gas, roughly, assuming your motor is matched to the gen head. If the motor is oversized then you might not lose as much or any. For example, you need around 10 hp for a 5kw gen but on NG your 10 hp motor is now an 8 hp motor so now you have a 4kw gen. If your 5kw gen comes with an oversized 12 hp motor (most don't) then you wouldn't lose anything.
I'm surprised he didn't mention it, it is considerably less
Just bought THAT same generator for 35 clams off of the marketplace! The owner just wanted it gone due to carb issues which made it a steal. After cleaning the carb it does run fine for me, but rather than run that ethanol crap through it and having to run it dry or drain it after every use or even worse chance having it clog up again, I’m going to convert it to propane. That’ll be a dream come true, so thanks for running us through hookup Taryl. Im one happy grassrat now, too easy!
Ethanol gas is junk. After about 30 days sitting in the hot humid summer weather, it gets nasty. However if stored over the winter, I've had no problems using it up in the spring if I add fresh fuel to it in my mower. I think the reason is fresh gas used the same day from a gas station has no water in it (yet), and that 10% alcohol will dissolve any gunk and absorb what little water gets into the fuel during the dry cold winter months.
Thanks for the video on the conversion kit! I've always wanted to know if it was worth the effort, but the idea of never having a tank of stale fuel when I really needed a generator, was what convinced me to pursue doing this, plus the smooth running and effortless starting you demonstrated! Thanks Taryl! 😁
YES THis is a great thing
Vapor fuel doesn't need choke or warmup time.
Just need to get the vapor into the cylinder and it'll go.
i have the same youkon box but mine is a spice rack! lol
awesome
video. enjoyed it very much
It's nice not having to worry about gas breaking down and clogging things up! Next stop after modding this is to put an interlock switch on your breaker box so you can connect the generator to it and pick which parts of your house you'd like to run in the event of a power outage. I had that done for about $250 and it's a nice piece of mind!!
Awesome idea! :)
@@warrenvalentino5763 the interlock switch for the panel is much cheaper than a transfer box. My genny isnt big enough to power the entire house so I just switch off all the breakers and then switch on the rooms I want to run, pretty cool!
@@masterofnonetv8361 =>That's exactly what I have. A large generator only sucks up a lot more fuel just running at an idle and that's the last thing I want after a hurricane is to have to go out & look for propane or gasoline. I only run my generator an night to power our window AC & refrigerator and then during the day for a while to keep the refrigerator cold.
I have the interlock on the breaker panel too, super cheap. My Diesel powers the whole house including central AC.
bidens plan is to sell all propane to China
I LOVE THAT SETUP, IT'S A NO-BRAINER. NO MORE FUEL TROUBLE.
THE HELL WITH GASOLINE. I'M GOING TO GET MYSELF A KIT.
BUILD A BOX FOR THE GENERATOR, I WONDER IF IT RUNS A LITTLE COOLER,
WITH THE PROPANE. I'M GOING TO USE NATURAL GAS FOR MINE. 🤔
TARYL, THAT WAS SO FUNNY USING THE DIAGNOSTIC WHEAL AT THE END. PRICE LESS. THANKS AGAIN TARYL.
My in-laws live 'Up North' as we call it. They have a small generator skid, but if it doesn't get started regularly, which it hasn't, the gas and anything that touches gas goes bad...I seriously could have used this video about a year ago. They junked the generator, and purchased a new one that can run on propane, and had a line installed off the propane line that already goes into the house. Could have saved a ton of money with this video and the help of me, their no-good son-in-law, heh.
That looks pretty slick! And it's always good to see Mrs.Taryl!
Thanks for the Video. Bought one a couple years ago. Been procrastinating on installing it.
Great to see your wife. Shes adds alot to your videos. She’s a pretty good actress.
Taryl I really enjoy your videos and have been watching them for 2 years. I have been converting engines to propane for 40 years. I am not an expert but I have learned a lot. The method shown is the correct and safe way to do it. Tho without any provision for automatic fuel cut off the operator needs to be very diligent to shut off the valve on the tank when not in use. Because propane runs higher cylinder head temperatures than gasoline one or two colder heat ranges of spark plugs helps the engine run much better. Also iridium plugs help starting. I 1987 Honda TRX 350 I converted 5 years ago that I plow snow with. Runs great and uses less fuel.
The Wheel never lies, LOL. Hollywood's got nothing on you guys!😁
Use NG at my home, cost is cheaper than propane to keep furnace, ac, freezers, kitchen, etc...5 years now. Quick connect fittings. Upgraded to tri fuel generator 13000 watt, and transfer switch at electrical panel. Awesome setup
Thanks Taryl, I’ve been thinking about putting a propane conversion on my generator! I appreciate the how-to!!
Thanks Taryl!! You make things very easy and great attention to detail!!
Deb and I thought the same thing, our home in Greenwich we buried a 1000 gallon propane tank, converted everything over as I ran black pope in addition to leaving the electrical hook ups in place. So one fill up in August ran us the whole year with no top offs. We sold and moved back to Salem, and installed an above ground tank 1000 gallon. Same as before one fill up, good for the year. If I convert my 10,000 watt Northern Tool generator we may install another 1000 for the Gen set. I'm not mixing the two supplies heat and generator.
Sweet, I'll be calling them.
Thanks TARYL, hope ya had a good dinner!
Steve
I've been eyeing this kit, and others like it, for a few years....glad to see it's not a scam, as some of those websites look like they haven't been updated in forever. I'm still curious how that setup with the fixed adjustment handles changing loads....it seems to have done well with the saw, but that wasn't a huge challenge for a 7,000 watt generator.
Got one of these conversion kits from the same company about five years ago and it was the best investment I could have ever made for my generator.
Thanks Taryl for your videos ❤ watching Awesome watch laugh and learn. ✌️
I run my log splitter and lawn tractor on propane. I just took out the float needle and ran the propane straight in the carb. Its more finiky then doing it properly. Getting the mix right when starting is tricky but when its running its fine.
Great kit, easy conversion too.
I notice that running on propane is easy on the engine oil too and stays clean for a long time. 👍
@OldFatBubba It does run cooler because propane makes slightly less power than gasoline.
Another awesome video. Your guys imagination is getting better all the time. Keep up the great work.
You do good work Taryl. Funny and informative.
Great Video with valuable information Taryl. I did mention you when I ordered my kit and was told they have received several orders and appreciate the plug. My kit arrived today and I will be installing it soon. Thanks again!
Thanks for video on LP kit. Had been thinking of doing a conversion for years but seeing this got the ball rolling.
Just ordered one for my generator. Cant wait till it gets delivered. Maybe you could come and help me install.
I got cold Hamm's waiting.
One word of caution. If someone is converting a Honda generator or other power equipment, and it has electric start, a different flywheel may be required as the timing is different for LP or CNG. We had two new pressure washers that we had converted to propane, and the mechanic couldn't get it to run properly. He's done lots of small engine repairs, but this was a first for him. After purchasing new flywheels, the engines actually ran well, and have been doing well since.
This mostly applies to Honda engines less than 10 years old, and possibly engines that have had an electric start kit installed.
The difference between the two is the location of the keyway on the flywheel. We thought about getting new keyways broached in, but opted for new flywheels.
Our pressure washers did not have two regulators in the kit, but all of our pressure washers use forklift LP tanks and high pressure hose assemblies to the regulator.
to change the timming on any combustion motor with out changing the flywheel or distrbutor is to change the spark plug gap like he did.
Was thinking must be a timing issue. 😅
Electric start has nothing to do with the timing. On gens, it doesn't seem like propane changes the timing enough for you to need to change the flywheel. You can get offset woodruff keys so you don't have to actually change the whole flywheel to advance the spark. Some ppl say you should reduce the spark gap by about 25%, so if you are running 0.030 then down to 0.023.
I imagine fabing an offset plate to mount the coil might work too. Cheaper than the flywheel, and no sacrificing strength in the shaft key.
Great video as always. I think you still put the gasket between the propane adapter and the air cleaner box on wrong. Maybe it should have been flipped 180 left to right instead of up and down? It will work, as the hole lined up with the bore, just looked like not much sealing surface in a couple areas and the gasket hanging out in a a couple other areas
Yeah, it was flipped 180 in x and y and he only flipped it back in x.
Nice work Taryl. I'd like to put one of theses on my riding mower .I get tired of messing with carburetor every mowing season. I like propane the oil always stays brown, an the fuel systems last along time. Can't say how many times I spent so much on carb problems.
Interesting video. When I was a kid growing up in the mid 50's (I'm 77) all our tractors (Moline) ran on Propane. I don't remember any problems with them.
Great reply, good point and thoughtful comments. In the farm tractors that needed beu coup torgue late 60's to middle 70's, and now many natural gas companies use it for their vehicles. Lawn mowers maybe not:)
I changed the tank connection on the regulator to the tool less kind, makes changing tanks easy. Gotta keep plenty of propane for the patio cookers for making beer and distilling..... (er) water....yes distilling water not rocket fuel!
42:07- Yes Sir, you are correct once again. Propane has a higher pressure than Natural Gas. BTW, I'm spending my 4th of July weekend enjoying watching this video just for the enjoyment factor! Thank you Taryl!
I put one of those kits on once. I must have had the wrong size tank or kit as I had to run it with the choke partially on so it wouldn’t surge. It was a 10hp Briggs flathead I was using it to build a house it ran so lean/hot that it smoked the exhaust valve and lost compression. By the time it stopped running I had permanent power so I gave it to my brother he lapped the valves and removed the propane parts and ran it out n gas at his off grid cabin
I bought the one with the carburetor snorkel. Not the donut. It hasn't been used, but all set up. They told me if the generator is new you have to run it on gas for four hours before conversion., 4K watt craftsman. Thanks for video, reminds me of something I didn't follow through on. taheyheyhey! 🍺
Notice how much smoother it runs. I have installed 2 kits from @USCarburetion and they work great. I used the Motor Snorkel version that requires NO modification to the air box or generator frame. I wouldn't tie the feed hose to the frame as there is a lot of rockin' & rollin' going on with the rubber engine mounts, might rub through the feed hose. Tip: Make sure ALL sources of possible infiltration are closed off, ie. bowl drain & fuel shutoff valve.
yes anything that can leak air into the system like that can cause it to run lean. Which is not a good idea on gaseous fuels like natural gas or propane since they're considered 'dry' fuels and you can burn up exhaust valves running an engine too lean on LP or Nat gas. Too rich isn't good either, gets things clogged up with soot, especially those spark arrestor screens.
Great no more ethanol problems.....mint
Super idea. Kits have been around for a while now. Watching you assemble it make the rest of us feel more comfortable about doing it ourselves.
I have a genset with a 6 cylinder IH engine set up with propane. Works great. No stale fuel. 👍
Hi “ Carla” . Good to see you were in this one .
I did a propane conversion on 25 HP Kohler engine and I had to use a 50 pound tank because overfill valve on the smaller tanks would restrict the flow of fuel I needed. I did this 20 years ago. The engine still have the same original oil and it is still yellow. I love propane and my garden shredder starts up anytime that I want to use it.
Very cool!
Thank you for commenting Hank Hill.
I'd change out the adapter on the propane tank to use quick connect fittings. Makes changing the tank much easier. Also use at least a 30 lb tank instead of the 20 lb tank.
Eric Clapton performed a song about this in 1977. “It’s alright, alright, alright, propane “.
I think either your hearing when people are singing is worse than mine or she’s alright cocaine. LOL
@@MitchEllis-e4y TD does mention 1.Orfice, 2.Elbows, 3.Nipples, 4.Gas and probably more not picked up. TD is a stallion repairman to bad he is shutting down the business but completely understandable. Howlin' Wolf & Eric Clapton would be proud of TD learing from "Back Mower Man"😂
Another thing I didn't even know existed.....
I have duel fuel, but one of my neighbors was talking about if there was a way to convert to propane....
I guess there is!!!! Nice job!
First I’ve ever heard of it either. It I guess it makes sense.
@@thomasfx3190 People are very interested in propane gas, because it stores forever. Taryl has already broken down how short the life span of liquid gasoline is....
That was an awesome video !!! Loved it thank u Taryl for all the great content 👍 need to get me one of them kits for sure 👍💯
I am very happy to see this.
Your tightening the fittings Tooo tight my friend. There is only ounces of pressure, not pounds of pressure. The problem is the threads are being stretched and damage to fittings. Put the 10 and 12 inch crescent away , and grab the 6 and 8 inch. Snug is all that's required.
Sorry i won’t ever do that again. Next time I’ll check with you first . 😂
@@TarylFixesAllYou must also have a "load block" adjuster to change from propane to NG, and back again.
@@TarylFixesAllThe "power valve" adjuster IS the "load block". 😉
@@TarylFixesAllThat IS a model "KN" regulator. It's the same as my new one. Just in case you need parts for it some day.
Nice, complete kit. My buddy up in MN has to run his on propane because of bad gas and sludge in his tank. He didn't need a kit though since his Champion genny had both options.
"The wheel never lies!" Lol!! 😂😂
I think that a lot of doctors use that exact same wheel to diagnose their patients where I live.......🤔😲
You are correct. Propane has 2.5 times as many btu per cubic ft of gas so it will have a smaller orfice size. Propane also runs at a slightly higher pressue for proper combustion
A basic rule of thumb is 1/2 psi for LP gas, and 1/4 psi for natural gas.
Great video actually did this to my generator It’s a great idea. I did a dual fuel carburetor so I can run it on gas or propane.
Love propane. I have a 1968 ih loadstar dump truck with a 392 that runs on propane. Don't have to worry about gas going bad and the oil stays looking new.
It's better if you have one of those cheap kilowatt plug in meters. They tell you the voltage and the frequency of loads that you plug into them.
You want to adjust the speed of a generator so that you're getting around 60 cycles (hz). The RPM of the engine determines the frequency and also the voltage. You can do it by ear but a meter is better.
That is a great idea! No more trouble with the carb getting gummed up and not working. I think I will get one.
Great video! Need to see if I can get one of these for my Krohller powered Lincoln welder.
I’m going to do one on older Briggs generator, mine will go thru carb bowl , very informative video, thanks
Hell yeah Taryl for president 🇱🇷
FYI for people. Propane doesn't have the same power as gas so your generator will be down on Wattage and amps some when using propane!
10 % - 20 % loss in power/output.
And with natural gas the generator will be down even more on the wattage.
@@dandearman2871 Yup 10% less on NG versus LP.
It depends on the engine. Newer overhead valve engines have higher compression ratios than the old school flathead engines and don't lose as much power on LP versus gas. However it is 5-8% less, and that's mostly because in order to run the most efficiently on LP gas, the compression ratio needs to be slightly higher, as well as more spark advance. LP gas has an equivalent octane rating of about 110, so it burns slower, and needs more time to get the fire going, so that's the reason for more degrees of advance. You need to fire that spark plug well in advance of the piston reaching TDC, or the main reason you're losing power is you're sending unburned propane right out the exhaust, it didn't have enough time to complete combustion. It's also more resistant to detonation, so you can increase the compression ratio. There is a point of rapidly diminishing returns however, because without some sort of forced induction like a turbocharger, increasing the compression ratio increases the pumping losses of the engine, plus increases the stress on the internals. Very high compression engines come with very heavy pistons and rods etc like a diesel engine, so with a small engine like this you can't go crazy with the compression ratio or you might pop the cheap head gasket or stretch the head bolts, these small engines aren't built like a nascar engine... lol
Taryl, do you have an idea about how long one of those 20lb propane tanks will run the generator? Great vid!
Awesome video. I think the kit is an excellent idea. It seems that there is always someone selling a used generator because they couldn't get it running. In many cases it's probably due to gunked up carburetors from old gas,
This is how I got a 12000 watt Yamaha generator for $370 at a auction. Carburetor was stopped up and needed a battree
@@brandonstclair6530 those are some BIG damn generators, rather WIDE units. 370 is a steal.
This might be a stupid question but it just popped in ..my head ..I wonder if lights can be put on a push mower...it's been so hot to work during the day lol
If it's electric start, yes, but the alternator may not make enough electricity to power them to a useful brightness. Also, you'd probably be sacrificing charging the battery in the process. The alternator might be swapped-out with a higher-output unit, but more engine power used to make electricity is less available to spin the blade.
If it's pull start only, you'd need to add an alternator, which is a stator, new flywheel and probably some sort of regulator/rectifier (which may or may not be included with the stator). The flywheel should be a straight swap, but there's a good chance the engine will need modification to mount the stator. A rectifier should just tuck under the flywheel while a regulator is easily mounted just about anywhere.
Finally, incandescent lights are pretty agnostic and forgiving about the electricity you feed them, so long as the voltage is relatively close to rated. However, they use 7-10x the power as LEDs for the same light output. LED's on the other hand, depending on the support circuitry running them, may require DC only at a pretty consistent and stable voltage. I wouldn't run LEDs with just a rectifier unless the support circuitry was specifically designed to handle the output.
Of course, there's always just slapping some battery-powered/rechargeable lights on it.
@@ItsMrAssholeToYou ty for the response 👍
I bought a headband light at Walmart for $7.99, works great for push mowing after dark.
Pretty neat device Taryl. I may convert my All-Power. 3250 watt generator to propane. Thanks for posting this. Keep up the good work.
I use the propane from an unlit propane torch insted of starting fluid for getting a stubbern engine running that may have been setting for awhile.
If that new spark plug was an NGK they recommend no anti sieze. Its nickel plated so that stops the siezing. I dont use any on them myself but It cant hurt to use it.
Pretty gals starting lawn mowers that never start. I love the concept!
Love your videos taryl they are brilliant and very interesting and informative 👍 please keep them coming tyrel they are awesome. Regards from ireland Patrick Brazil.
Certainly an interesting conversion, ty for sharing
Propane looks like the way to go. I am curious of how long it will run on a 20 pound tank and the cost compared to gasoline!👍🇺🇸
btu to kwh calculator will tell you fuel consumption
Just a rough estimate I'd think you would get the equivalent of 3.5 g of gasoline from that 20 pounder.
Where I live propane refills are around $4/gal at U-Haul ($17 for a #20 tank) and propane has around 80% of the energy so it works out to around $5/gallon gasoline equivalent. Could be more (if you do the tank swap thing at the grocery store where they only give you 15 lbs.) or less in some parts of the country - some guy in TX told me that he pays $12 for a fill. $5/gal sounds high but if you are using this for emergency backup and only going thru a tank or two, paying a couple of bucks extra is nothing compared with having the gen start and not having to deal with dirty carburetors.
@@throwbo I like the storability of propane. You could get bigger tanks like the ones RV's use as well. Give you some more run time and you can still move them around without much trouble.
@@throwbo Thanks for the info. Having to deal with clogged carbs and stale fuel is a huge pain.👍
Hank Hill and Buck Strickland approved! Four thumbs up!
I love it when Taryl gets the jobs done. ❤ Taryl 2024
Thanks for this one!
Great to see how this is done and is a possibility!
I think natural gas is the way to go if you have it. No propane tanks to mess with and uninterrupted supply if you pay your bill.
And...when it gets cold (-30 C or worse)...NG won't freeze up on you like 20lb bottles of propane. Don't remember the old 1000gallon tank freezing up, but few people running those anymore due to cost of propane vs NG.
Truly electrifying. So empowering.
Nice job Mr. Gross. As always.
Awesome kit. Perfect for a machine that just sits a lot. Thanks
Great job Taryl! I want to buy that kit for my Predator 9000 but I want to connect it to natural gas. Instead of using a Ty Rap to secure the fuel hose you should use an Adel clamp and a self tapping sheet metal screw, It would do a better job and look more professional.
I’ve had a few of those gens that had the propane fuel . They also had a solenoid valve to turn the fuel on when you started cranking on it. Good job but they loose a little in their output because of the difference of btu in gasoline and propane. Good video.
Differance isn't in btu so much as the substitution of air for vapor fuel.
Gasoline takes up less volume threw the manifold than propane so less air per power stroke means less power.
LPG injection on cars don't have any noticeable difference in power.
I did some fast forwarding so I might have missed it if you mentioned that using propane will lower the running and start up/surge wattage capability of the generator. Roughly a 1000 watt reduction for running watts if I'm not mistaken. So something to consider as a trade-off for the convenience of not using gasoline. I believe natural gas lowers the wattage capability even further.
I think that conversion kit is awesome...they should build generators with both options on it already! You are totally crazy funny!
pipe sealant needs to be spread around the entire fitting before screwing them together. It’s really used as a lubricant more so than a sealant. pipe threads are tapered they’re gonna get tight eventually. Pipe sealant is more like extra insurance. notice that the sealant that’s already on the fitting goes around the entire threaded surface Notice Taryl dud put sealant all the way around that last fitting quite liberalll
When I ran new black supply pipe 2" 50 feet long I used the blue pipe dope, and never had a leak.
I have a similar kit to my generator, it worked just fine, I have a harbor freight unit predator, the reason between natural gas and propane is propane has a higher BTU rating than natural gas.
I really like that for sure. I plan to adapt mine. Thanks Taryl.
I put that kit on mine. It worked good.
Nice.
No leaks and it runs great. Good job!
Nice not having to worry about stale gas, and that kit seemed pretty easy & straightforward to install. And yes, propane has more BTU's than nat. gas.
2500 btu per cubic foot at atmospheric pressure versus approx 1000-1050 for natural gas. Performance wise there isn't much difference, regular gasoline needs about a 13.5-14.7:1 air/fuel ratio to run properly, natural gas about 10:1.
Awesome job Taryl. You are a genius. 🇺🇲
I like how you show all even the oopes it all happens!!!
I have installed a propane conversation on one of my generators year ago. Two things to know. Number one, propane does not put as much power as gasoline. You have to derate the generator. The second is that you have to change the oil according to the manufacturer's recommendation on oil change hours. The great thing is propane stores forever. You can use up to 40 pound cylinders. With a small adaptor you can use 100 pound tanks. Store up several tanks as soon as something happens, everyone is headed to Walmart or whatever to buy tanks for their grill, etc.
Yah but there's always cylinders around, big box stores have them, gas stations etc. In fact if there's a widespread power outages, sometimes it's easier to get a tank that get gas from a gas station. If the gas station has no power, you won't be buying any gas. Versus if you pay with cash if the credit card machines are down, someone can always get a key for the padlock and get you a tank of gas and exchange your MT for a full one.
I have no generator, but I enjoyed watching the installation.
Thanks taryl it was a nice teaching lesson with that conversion, keep up the good work. 🙏👍🍺
Nice job as always👍
Another awesome video. You never let us grass rats down Taryal
I like your hose cutters, I have to check them out at Harbor Freight.
Taryl you such pretty work. I put Honda GX 90 motors on Bicycles and they sure are fun. I just love working on new equipment.