When a story changes mediums it may be subject to changes - those changes are not improvisations. Its not an artists responsibility to create a 100% canonical retelling of source material (frankly thats impossible). Its their responsibility to make a good film, show, play, whatever it may be and they reserve the right to do so in the way they see fit, of course implying they have the rights to be making an adaptation in the first place. Its their art. If you want the source material then you read the source material.
@@kyleliegel You very well may be right. But you also may be wrong. Even if only a little... or even if a LOT. But it doesn't make any difference what I say because I very well may not know what I am talking about.
He saw how a light flickered on and the two halves of a window opened out, somebody, made weak and thin by the height and the distance, leant suddenly far out from it and stretched his arms out even further. Who was that? A friend? A good person? Somebody who was taking part? Somebody who wanted to help? Was he alone? Was it everyone? Would anyone help? Were there objections that had been forgotten? There must have been some. The logic cannot be refuted, but someone who wants to live will not resist it. Where was the judge he’d never seen? Where was the high court he had never reached? He raised both hands and spread out all his fingers. But the hands of one of the gentleman were laid on K.’s throat, while the other pushed the knife deep into his heart and twisted it there, twice. As his eyesight failed, K. saw the two gentlemen cheek by cheek, close in front of his face, watching the result. “Like a dog!” he said, it was as if the shame of it should outlive him.
The first hearing at 28:34 was like something out of a surreal nightmare. And yet, it manages to be hilarious in a horrifying way, just like in kafka's books.
BUT there's one thing that is not the same as it tells in the book.In the book it says that ''Even if people bow up and their heads and backs touch the roof''but in the movie it is absolutely a hall!!
@@b.c.vincent9690 K. is referring to the people up in the balcony/gallery like in 29:52. They're already shooting on location, and it would cost a fortune to lower the entire ceiling just for a few shots.
Good sir, I am prepared to tell you - right now - that I believe you have understood everything perfectly, and - it stands to reason - that is why you are confused.
When the 2nd warder said: "Give us some money and we'll fetch you some breakfast from the café down the street", chomp, chomp, chomp, I reflexively gave the finger to my computer screen. Perfect example of authoritarians being unaware of what obnoxious pricks they are.
1:02:30 onwards. "Make a full confession as as a soon as you can to a crime that everyone knows about. Everyone but the person who is accused if the crime." Otherwise I can't help you" The helper are many but they don't seem help themselves from their own helplessness. Nightmare! What's this young pretty woman doing in here wasting her time while she should be living her prime time on earth. When all her veins are flowing with clean blood. She is in some bondage. Luck of stimulation that brings abundance to ones life. Creating memories at planting seeds to watch their fruition in her old age. The others too in the advent of this story. It makes me reflect on the story of the snake, the fruit from the tree that's in the middle of the garden of Eden, the challenge of communication with a snake that would normally not be a norm but somehow happens and creates a life long trial that no one can clarify where the responsibility lies for who or worse how to get out of the loop. It's maddening! 🤣 The whipping, Imagine the job to whip other for a career? How sad are some of we humans? Most of us just do crap without questioning our thoughts. An to to know that this does happen without a doubt is insane.
Just finished reading the novel. The novel brings out the thoughts of the characters very clearly. But they medium of a movie of found lacking on the front. An actor can only do so much. Only one expression can be portrayed at one time. So any novel will always exceed its movie counterpart.
The cinematic depiction of the novel doesn't work well, in my opinion. Kafka's story is cerebral gymnastics; it requires the full effort of the imagination. This movie does the heavy lifting for you, in terms of the interpretation of ideas tabled in the novel. While that may be convenient, it is far less stimulating. In reading the book you are a participant. In watching this portrayal you become a passive observer.
So true. The images you create in your head while reading the book are so complete and detailed. In the film, one has that taken away and replaced by these strange persons. If you have not read the book you will not experience this. But one thing is true, the book takes you with it. The smells especially of everything that is going on in those rooms where there is so much brain work taking place to no avail. Can I suggest also "The couple at No 9 by Daphne" It's a murder mystery? I audio read mine here.
Well, i would imagine most people who searched for movie already read the book, so i agree with you that read the book is better, and i assume most of the viewers did read. As for me, i would agree that it takes much efforts to read it, and honestly i am not sure i understood it, although reading it 3 times (as well as the castle). The fact that kafkas qriting emphasize tons of beurocracy and jumping from one topic to another withoit any closure in between, or any resolution whatsoever foe the entire book had confused so much, i though i mind find any new perspectives in the movie to make me resolve it in my mind. Another point, if one doesnt read the book in the original language it is merely impossoble to really get what kafka is trying to convey anyways, since mqny of the words he used have double meanings, to confuse the reader even more
You make a good point but only if someone takes this movie as their only exposure to this particular work. Reading the novel, watching this interpretation and also viewing other novel based portrayals gives, in my opinion only, a real life to the story. I do agree with you that taking only one of these into account will not give a true picture of Kafka's intent. But I believe all the various interpretations blended together gives an exceptionally deep and dimensional quality to an already outstanding story. I say the more the better.
@@dougdouglas3945 And perhaps that may have been the objective of the film producers, as you say, the more Kafka, the better. However, The Trial, as with all of Kafka's novels, is a transcription of intellectual perception. Just my opinion, but I think the book requires a corresponding interpretive effort on the part of the reader. Perhaps that can be accomplished in film, but my impression is this particular one failed to do so. And that might be subjective, which brings us back to square one. Thank you for your comment.
The whole situation in the novel is a metaphor for the pressure of conformity in restrictive and mostly authoratarian societies. This pressure of conformity is not rare since it literally exists everywhere, the difference is in the degree of the pressure.
Nah. That says too much. The trial is a distillation of the instantiation of when the state charges you with something, but they really don't have enough to do so. So you have the scarlett letter over you, and microcontrol over your life, yet you can't say what for.
Salvatore Rapisarda its happening everyday to ppl right now. and has been happening since ww2. 1984 - the trial is modern day. you re behind the curve. unfortunately some deserve it others cause it to others
You have to sleep with the judges wife.You better hope she likes you.Have you heard of trial by fire? This is trial by screw.Women have fuzzy boundaries.Maybe if you are creepy enough they will leave you alone.Its important to keep a sense of humour .Blow them away with your lunacy.
In my opinion, this movie follows the book almost to a page. There is very little "creative license", if you will, used by the director or writer. Not many movies follow this path.
I have not read the novel. I watched for about 10-15 minutes, and I skipped to the end.... must be an unjust sentence, for no sudden reason... The cruelty, and all together, I feel sad and helpless. I hoped he only had Bad dream... Also, in real life, Terrible how back in the day, there was no medicine For lung diseases... Anyone who was sick with tuberculosis would cough and spit blood into a handkerchief...
Ok, I'm completely lost ...today I heard the radio version & it was a comedic circle sort of and then I saw this movie.... I'm completely lost as to what he was guilty of.
Arguably Alfred Molina's best work. With that said, I think Jason Robards was ill-cast to play Huld the Lawyer. Max Von Sydow would've been a better choice.
Yes I agree the book has you confused wandering what the he'll is going on l, the film makes it too easy and takes away the thought and the helplessness of K's position.
Don't know if this is what the author was going for but anyway...I took away from this movie that anything can happen to anybody for any reason no matter if it makes sense or does not make sense. Simply telling yourself the situation is wrong and absurd and this should not be happening me will do no good. No matter how crazy it is you have to realize, and believe, that it is actually happening and take proper steps. Being in denial about a problem or situation is not going to change anything.
Great supporting cast of Brit character actors. Shame the lead is such a corn-fed dufus. Didn't Anthony Perkins play it in the original version? He was suitably neurotic.
The lead in this film is closer to the Josef K in the novel - a nobody with no personality and no fight. It works much better in the novel. Perkins performance was not like the Josef K in the novel but it was much more interesting than this one
@@steveblundell7766 I disagree. Look how aggressive and rebellious K. is in the first hearing in both the book and the movie. He even picks up the judge's charge book, says it's filthy and stinks and throws it down. He's even more aggressive in the book when there's any differrence, for example when tries to strange his student rival who's carrying off the court usher's wife.
Have you noticed how all the men are negative, too? That's gender equality for you! Even K. can''t resist his desires with any woman he meets (Mr. Penis Brain). It's all about how weird it is to be a spirit in an animalistic body.
ua-cam.com/video/HVOrLRuGlbI/v-deo.htmlsi=GYvLxhZHaXE20O1t If you are having trouble playing the North American version of the movie, try The BBC version
Looks like there are many versions of this movie. He is arrested and doesn't know why. He spends the whole movie trying to find out-but to no avail. It is a dark sattire poking fun at the political nonsense of beaureacratic law and punishment. In the end in other movies he is found guilty and put to death...very surreally.😅funny not funny, so to speak.
I love how they just follow the book, not try to make some stupid improvisation
we love kafka books as they are
And this is 100 % an adaptation
Agree 100%. The screenplay literally followed the book in nearly every detail. So great when that happens.
When a story changes mediums it may be subject to changes - those changes are not improvisations. Its not an artists responsibility to create a 100% canonical retelling of source material (frankly thats impossible). Its their responsibility to make a good film, show, play, whatever it may be and they reserve the right to do so in the way they see fit, of course implying they have the rights to be making an adaptation in the first place. Its their art.
If you want the source material then you read the source material.
@@kyleliegel You very well may be right. But you also may be wrong. Even if only a little... or even if a LOT. But it doesn't make any difference what I say because I very well may not know what I am talking about.
No film can capture how this book plays in my mind -- film always reduces things to one meaning, one gesture....
Brilliant adaptation of the novel. Really, really great work.
Beautiful rendering of Kafka's original dialogue and scenery. Love the street scenes of Old Town Prague.
We are currently watching this movie in Philosophy class, and It's so morbidly interesting
we watched it in government class my senior year. The teacher was making a point about Habeus Corpus.
Watch the one w tony perkins
How is this related to your class, could you please explain a bit.
He saw how a light
flickered on and the two halves of a window opened out,
somebody, made weak and thin by the height and the distance,
leant suddenly far out from it and stretched his arms
out even further. Who was that? A friend? A good person?
Somebody who was taking part? Somebody who wanted to
help? Was he alone? Was it everyone? Would anyone help?
Were there objections that had been forgotten? There must
have been some. The logic cannot be refuted, but someone
who wants to live will not resist it. Where was the judge he’d
never seen? Where was the high court he had never reached?
He raised both hands and spread out all his fingers.
But the hands of one of the gentleman were laid on K.’s
throat, while the other pushed the knife deep into his heart
and twisted it there, twice. As his eyesight failed, K. saw the
two gentlemen cheek by cheek, close in front of his face,
watching the result. “Like a dog!” he said, it was as if the
shame of it should outlive him.
T_T
ive read many books but only heard of thid version of th movie .. cant wait to watch and see what all the fuss is about! thanks for upload!
The soundtrack is most impressive, I believe it's called "A Floggin' in the Key of K"
Found on most streaming platforms etc
This movie, together with Le ballon rouge, was Wes Anderson's inspiration for the French Dispatch
The first hearing at 28:34 was like something out of a surreal nightmare.
And yet, it manages to be hilarious in a horrifying way, just like in kafka's books.
BUT there's one thing that is not the same as it tells in the book.In the book it says that ''Even if people bow up and their heads and backs touch the roof''but in the movie it is absolutely a hall!!
It is dream like.
@@nelsonx5326 a nightmare.
Jan6 committee-ish
@@b.c.vincent9690 K. is referring to the people up in the balcony/gallery like in 29:52. They're already shooting on location, and it would cost a fortune to lower the entire ceiling just for a few shots.
I think this is the closest interpretation to the novel
Absolutely. It follows the novel right down the line.
Love this. They “arrested” his brain.
In German this double meaning is much clearer: being "verhaftet" means both "being arrested" and "having your mind stuck to something".
I loved it :) Thanks for sharing
This is so wild. I do not know wtf is going on, but I'm intrigued by it. I mean, "you are being arrested, so I get to eat your breakfast." wtf!
Good sir, I am prepared to tell you - right now - that I believe you have understood everything perfectly, and - it stands to reason - that is why you are confused.
@@jannpadley8831 I view this as an example of how we forget how subjective our social norms we agreed upon as a society.
@@jannpadley8831 I would love to ask, what prompted you to write this after 5 years?
That's pretty random and cool :D
@@maestroanth Because ua-cam.com/video/bpxtuUQ28UM/v-deo.html
When the 2nd warder said: "Give us some money and we'll fetch you some breakfast from the café down the street", chomp, chomp, chomp, I reflexively gave the finger to my computer screen. Perfect example of authoritarians being unaware of what obnoxious pricks they are.
Yea closest to the original novel.
Even Kafka would have loved it.
Kafka would have said: "WTF? I thought I asked for my book to be burned!"
It is an interesting movie but indeed a strange case
1:02:30 onwards. "Make a full confession as as a soon as you can to a crime that everyone knows about. Everyone but the person who is accused if the crime." Otherwise I can't help you" The helper are many but they don't seem help themselves from their own helplessness. Nightmare! What's this young pretty woman doing in here wasting her time while she should be living her prime time on earth. When all her veins are flowing with clean blood. She is in some bondage. Luck of stimulation that brings abundance to ones life. Creating memories at planting seeds to watch their fruition in her old age. The others too in the advent of this story. It makes me reflect on the story of the snake, the fruit from the tree that's in the middle of the garden of Eden, the challenge of communication with a snake that would normally not be a norm but somehow happens and creates a life long trial that no one can clarify where the responsibility lies for who or worse how to get out of the loop. It's maddening! 🤣 The whipping, Imagine the job to whip other for a career? How sad are some of we humans? Most of us just do crap without questioning our thoughts. An to to know that this does happen without a doubt is insane.
Protagonist is so handsome
I like his sink!
Just finished reading the novel. The novel brings out the thoughts of the characters very clearly. But they medium of a movie of found lacking on the front. An actor can only do so much. Only one expression can be portrayed at one time. So any novel will always exceed its movie counterpart.
The cinematic depiction of the novel doesn't work well, in my opinion. Kafka's story is cerebral gymnastics; it requires the full effort of the imagination. This movie does the heavy lifting for you, in terms of the interpretation of ideas tabled in the novel. While that may be convenient, it is far less stimulating. In reading the book you are a participant. In watching this portrayal you become a passive observer.
So true. The images you create in your head while reading the book are so complete and detailed. In the film, one has that taken away and replaced by these strange persons. If you have not read the book you will not experience this. But one thing is true, the book takes you with it. The smells especially of everything that is going on in those rooms where there is so much brain work taking place to no avail. Can I suggest also "The couple at No 9 by Daphne" It's a murder mystery? I audio read mine here.
Well, i would imagine most people who searched for movie already read the book, so i agree with you that read the book is better, and i assume most of the viewers did read.
As for me, i would agree that it takes much efforts to read it, and honestly i am not sure i understood it, although reading it 3 times (as well as the castle). The fact that kafkas qriting emphasize tons of beurocracy and jumping from one topic to another withoit any closure in between, or any resolution whatsoever foe the entire book had confused so much, i though i mind find any new perspectives in the movie to make me resolve it in my mind.
Another point, if one doesnt read the book in the original language it is merely impossoble to really get what kafka is trying to convey anyways, since mqny of the words he used have double meanings, to confuse the reader even more
You make a good point but only if someone takes this movie as their only exposure to this particular work. Reading the novel, watching this interpretation and also viewing other novel based portrayals gives, in my opinion only, a real life to the story. I do agree with you that taking only one of these into account will not give a true picture of Kafka's intent. But I believe all the various interpretations blended together gives an exceptionally deep and dimensional quality to an already outstanding story. I say the more the better.
@@dougdouglas3945 And perhaps that may have been the objective of the film producers, as you say, the more Kafka, the better. However, The Trial, as with all of Kafka's novels, is a transcription of intellectual perception. Just my opinion, but I think the book requires a corresponding interpretive effort on the part of the reader. Perhaps that can be accomplished in film, but my impression is this particular one failed to do so. And that might be subjective, which brings us back to square one. Thank you for your comment.
Harold Pinter did the screenplay, I think Kafka and Pinter are similar, I appreciated it
I like that 1962 vision more
رواية جميلة تستحق القراءة
Look out our windows, every shadow imperceptible and every truth a vapor
what do you do if this happens to you in real life?
It is pretty much happening to me in real life.
Being treated like I am charged with something, but no one can articulate what.
The whole situation in the novel is a metaphor for the pressure of conformity in restrictive and mostly authoratarian societies. This pressure of conformity is not rare since it literally exists everywhere, the difference is in the degree of the pressure.
Nah.
That says too much.
The trial is a distillation of the instantiation of when the state charges you with something, but they really don't have enough to do so.
So you have the scarlett letter over you, and microcontrol over your life, yet you can't say what for.
Salvatore Rapisarda its happening everyday to ppl right now. and has been happening since ww2. 1984 - the trial is modern day. you re behind the curve. unfortunately some deserve it others cause it to others
You have to sleep with the judges wife.You better hope she likes you.Have you heard of trial by fire? This is trial by screw.Women have fuzzy boundaries.Maybe if you are creepy enough they will leave you alone.Its important to keep a sense of humour .Blow them away with your lunacy.
Nothing works as an observer. You cannot see the seer. Only algorithm your reality.
life itself is a kind of dead-end trap
1:05:35 is great, I swear it looks like K is trying to hold back laughter
Seems to be about the futility of playing along with a system that arbitrarily decides to destroy you for no good reason on their terms.
The movie and the novel are very different
How accurate is this movie to the book?🙏I would appreciate if someone could help me
Read it, the book is hard to put down
In my opinion, this movie follows the book almost to a page. There is very little "creative license", if you will, used by the director or writer. Not many movies follow this path.
...also meant to say I enjoyed both the movie and the book immensely, really good stuff.
@@MistaMagee ...I feel the same way
for those who could not afford the 1st.. you lost.
Somehow the lead actor Kyle MacLachlan lacks the gravitas to make Joseph K and his trial real for me.
I have not read the novel.
I watched for about 10-15 minutes, and I skipped to the end.... must be an unjust sentence, for no sudden reason...
The cruelty, and all together, I feel sad and helpless.
I hoped he only had
Bad dream...
Also, in real life,
Terrible how back in the day, there was no medicine
For lung diseases...
Anyone who was sick with tuberculosis would cough and spit blood into a handkerchief...
This is one of those rare movies that follow the book exactly, start to finish. Try the audiobook version. It's worth it, I promise.
Ok, I'm completely lost ...today I heard the radio version & it was a comedic circle sort of and then I saw this movie.... I'm completely lost as to what he was guilty of.
Thats the point!
He was too honest and outspoken and was definitely boat rocking wave maker.😂so Felini¡
This is what really happening in Kashmir India and Pakistan with people . Missing people of Indian occupied Kashmir and Pakistan
This is exactly what's happening in AMERICA and all over the world.
The music seemed not to fit the story up until 1:34:32 then the style changed and it improved.
I wish the sound was louder, it is hard to hear for me.
0:20 music name plz?
That laugh at 28:38
42:22
Arguably Alfred Molina's best work. With that said, I think Jason Robards was ill-cast to play Huld the Lawyer. Max Von Sydow would've been a better choice.
This seems to be a different version than the one I own hmmm
The one with Anthony Perkins? Orson Welles directed. And there was Romy Schneider too.
@@lotharlamurtra7924 I think it's the 1962 Orson Welles version. It's my fall asleep movie.
Yes I agree the book has you confused wandering what the he'll is going on l, the film makes it too easy and takes away the thought and the helplessness of K's position.
so good interesting .
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I don't understand this movies,even the ending is confusing
Don't know if this is what the author was going for but anyway...I took away from this movie that anything can happen to anybody for any reason no matter if it makes sense or does not make sense. Simply telling yourself the situation is wrong and absurd and this should not be happening me will do no good. No matter how crazy it is you have to realize, and believe, that it is actually happening and take proper steps. Being in denial about a problem or situation is not going to change anything.
1:05:37
There is a better version with Michael Lonsdale as the priest. It's the only scene I remember.
Great supporting cast of Brit character actors. Shame the lead is such a corn-fed dufus. Didn't Anthony Perkins play it in the original version? He was suitably neurotic.
The lead in this film is closer to the Josef K in the novel - a nobody with no personality and no fight. It works much better in the novel. Perkins performance was not like the Josef K in the novel but it was much more interesting than this one
@@steveblundell7766 I disagree. Look how aggressive and rebellious K. is in the first hearing in both the book and the movie. He even picks up the judge's charge book, says it's filthy and stinks and throws it down. He's even more aggressive in the book when there's any differrence, for example when tries to strange his student rival who's carrying off the court usher's wife.
Have you noticed all women are negative, and only positive thing is snowing
all women are obsessed with Josef K (because, for some reason, condemned men _are_ attractive)
Have you noticed how all the men are negative, too? That's gender equality for you! Even K. can''t resist his desires with any woman he meets (Mr. Penis Brain). It's all about how weird it is to be a spirit in an animalistic body.
The main character is not convincing, in my opinion..
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If you are having trouble playing the North American version of the movie, try The BBC version
How did Kafka know how the criminal justice system would work in Western countries in 2024 ?
Looks like there are many versions of this movie. He is arrested and doesn't know why. He spends the whole movie trying to find out-but to no avail. It is a dark sattire poking fun at the political nonsense of beaureacratic law and punishment. In the end in other movies he is found guilty and put to death...very surreally.😅funny not funny, so to speak.
I am sorry but kafka's every word is inexplainable, undiscribable and non understandable
Haha his crafts are hard to read
Four letters
Keşke Türkçeye çevrilmiş olsaydı
Aslında uğraşsam tamamını çeviririm ama kim izleyecek ki
Cevap verdiğiniz için teşekkürler lakin incelenmeye değer filmlerden biri Elbette ki izlenir
Idiocracy did it better.
This is absolutely nothing like Idiocracy- it's making a totally different point.