The one thing I know in life is that as good as things can be, nothing ever stays the same. Your analogy about too many tournament trails (and thus tournaments) coupled with changing technology and the enormous impact of social media is spot on. Ray Scott had a wonderful dream. A lot of very talented anglers helped build the brand. Forrest Wood built a fabulous company. And it’s all changed, and in my opinion, not for the better.
I think the change is way better for the sport of fishing (not to be confused with the sport of competitive fishing). So much more information is available from a variety of sources, sources with better and more accurate information less compromised by branding (though Randy does his share of branding).
@@mistertwister1816 I’m all for the UA-camrs and subscribe to quite a few. For that, you’re right, and we’re all better for it. But just as professional boxing got distorted a long time ago when there were too many circuits, I think the same thing has happened, albeit to a somewhat lesser extent, to professional fishing. And I’m not watching a tournament on TV while some pro states at LiveScope. But yo each his own.
Kinda like NASCAR. It had its time of popularity. Now that they have grown the sport we have tons of professional fisherman but no one will watch it.@@tomcaldwell5914
This is a prime example of how everything is controlled! Who gets to be a pro angler and thus who gets to be the star ! Bass fishing was one of the very few things the the Mega corporations didn't control for many years. Back in Randy's Haydays an angler made it or didn't make it based on his talents ! And God given gifts to catch fish. They have total control over who is in the spot light now, they are groomed all the way from high school to college. They give them the latest and greatest technology to the ones that have signed on with them, they are promoted with media, and plastered all over tv ! They have destroyed a sport that was based on talent and hard work just so they can control who is in front of the camera pushing their narrative. I think KVD was pushed out, I Don't think he was ready to retire ! Look who stepped into his position, Jacob Wheeler is now the face of MLF and Bass Fishing he's everywhere. KVD was a true competitor, that had morals and standards ! That wasn't the face they wanted at the top for some crazy reason.
I would love to see Bridgeford foods put together a 62 and older "Senior Tour" with the old school technics and no livescope. The viewing would be off the charts!
i just turned 50. The last time I fished a real tournament was back around. 2001. My Sgt. couldn't let me have the weekend off to go fish Lake Folsom in Northern California. We were very short staff. It was the state finals for B.A.S.S. Federation. They took 20 anglers from each region. i believe there were 5 regions at the time. I started pouring worms in 1994. I was having more fun pouring and injecting worms rather than the actual tournament. I fished the local Fresno Bass Club, B.A.S.S. Federation, and the now defunct Redman series., I lateraled in 2002 to Southern California. At that point, my worms were taking off and didn't mind missing the chaos. I still had an old Lowrance Paper graph and was taught how to read and store the graph. I learned how to read the contour lines on a map. You really needed to know how to read the contour lines on the map and also know where the water elevation was at on that particular day. I now just have a pair of Hook 7's . You take away all of this new advanced knowledge from the average Joe, they wouldn't know how to read a contour map. Nowadays, I'm just pouring plastics and attempting to put smiles on people's faces once they get their stuff. Since quitting tournaments, my stress level has gone down, I don't draw partners that will destroy my boat. I catch more and bigger fish since i said goodbye to the tournaments, and I'm saving money!
I'm willing to bet that KVD's retirement caused at least one major sponsor to either back out or drastically cut back on spending. The way that MLF came into existence and the way in which it's set up is completely unsustainable. BASS is about big bass, big stage, big dreams, and has an endless supply of skilled anglers aspiring to make it to the highest level of the sport. MLF is a temporary all-star league.
Kvd is still has vested interest. His retirement had nothing to do with the organization. He made that clear already. As for “endless supply of anglers “ for BASS… that all changed when they switched to 9 open requirements for the elites. And btw, it was discussed just today with Todd Castledine and Andrew upshaw that the opens are having yet another “ change” to their format. So much for the “ big stage, big dreams” mantra. But i guess anything BaSS related regarding change will be swept under the rug. Anything MLF is demonized huh?
@@AzAngler77 definitely true about the 9 open format. I don't agree with that either. They did it to simulate the elite series schedule, but it makes it virtually impossible for your everyday person with a job to qualify through that route. You pretty much have to be independently wealthy and/or self-employed now. This will make the elite series even more competitive, too, as I'm sure many of the guys from the MLF who used to be in the elite series and were cut from MLF will reattempt to qualify for the elites. The whole industry just needs more funding, higher payouts, and to give more opportunity to all to truly live up to the "Big Bass, Big Stage, Big Dreams" motto.
I wish BASS would have higher payouts in the opens, and there national leagues than they do now. If BASS wants to sustain the long-term longevity they need to finally up the payouts
I’ve been in upper management almost my entire life. I used to believe that the best people were the one’s selected to run a company. Totally false!! Most are basing their decisions on emotion and ego and lack critical thinking skills.
One entity should not attempt to have a monopoly over any industry (Bass Pro Shops/ Johnny Morris)… competition is better for the consumer and this case tournament angler
Big Companies partnered with Big Banks is what's destroying our country ! They only let people in that are loyal to them and not the company. They funnel money through capital projects into there contractor buddies pockets for kickbacks ! This money is shared with the group as a collective, And enriching themselves ! They are in control of raises and who advances, thus the power to bully, and push people out who are way more qualified to have there jobs. This power leaches out into the community with job placements in other companies and job movement between different companies. Think about how many people you know who job hop between the same companies over and over climbing the ladder with every move ! This is the same thing that's happening in our government, and intelligence agencies that's how you end up in this mess !
It’s not like Milliken has posted a video every week for a decade, helped build one of the most successful and upcoming fishing brands to date, pay his dues to the opens and grind it out to make the elites and the classic… Guys in MLF chased a pipe dream when it was created and now it’s biting them on the ass. There’s a saying that everyone knows… if it’s too good to be true, it probably isn’t true. And that’s what the MLF is turning into. If it’s not older guys like Randy complaining about an ever changing industry/world its someone else complaining about another angler/person who’s put themselves in a position to be successful.
I used to watch Milliken early on…he got big using livescope. He is a good dude. Just because something is legal doesn’t make it good is all. Alabama rigs are banned but livescope isnt? There is no logic. Livescope changes everything it’s a dang tee ball stand and you want Pat on the back hitting the ball
Did you see he received the highest bid for a days fishing guide trip to raise money for the Bass Fishing Hall of Fame? He's not just a FFS whiz. The guy can catch fish.
@@donyarborough4114he can catch fish, because of ffs. I fished with a very talented angler, who admitted to me he could not skip docks. So all we did was use ffs. How can you be a good angler, but don’t even know how to skip a jig in a dock. Once you actually get to see ffs in use on the water, in a tournament situation. You will understand how much of a crutch it is to a lot of these up and coming pros. And you can also see how powerful it is. It’s inane how efficient and effective you can be at covering vast amounts of water, in short amounts of time. The Alabama rig has nothing on ffs. It’s not even a comparison, ffs is essentially cheating. If you are good with it, you don’t need to know how to be good at anything else.
I'm picking up, what you're putting down Randy. Far stretch on the Pro winning 5x's back to back, but I hear you loud and clear on the concerns, which have validity. Back in the 90's I would have never thought I would get the opportunity to appreciate a Bass Pro discuss his opinions like this over a broad spectrum of topics. You're worth more than you know Randy. Thank you for always keeping us in the loop.
Randy, I'm a big fan of your channel and mostly my opinions align with yours. I am 49 years old and I just started fishing 7 years ago. For a newbie like myself, the MLF (BPT) format was much more exciting and interesting than the Bassmaster Elites. The personalities, the coverage, the style of fishing, all got me fired up to look forward to spring when I could get back out on the lake myself. And now with the team format they've introduced, the BPT has revolutionized fishing altogether. I didn't know Bill Dance from Rick Clunn growing up, but I do know good TV. And although guys like Bobby Layne & Hackney have left MLF, I still find the format, and the personalities way more intriguing then the Elites. I only wish one could be the NFC and the other the AFC, and in the end, the top 5 play against each other for the Super Bowl. Thanks Randy, and keep up the good fight.
Sorry Randy but i think your off on your conclusions. Im glad for the change. Especially the every fish formats return. The 5 fish format has been old, tired and boring. I also think the reduction of anglers down to 50 is the most strategic business model we’ve seen in professional fishing. Not from the anglers aspect but overall business side of things. It’s blatantly obvious that MLF management is considering outside US financial markets and the questionable economy. With interest rates, 120% GDP debt… MLF is preparing for the destabilization of the markets. This reduction of anglers does limit qualifying of anglers. In the last 48 hours Ive seen more MLF fans excited for upcoming season. So I don’t know where you’re getting your information that fans are upset or can’t keep up with the changes. The last change was for the 2023 season. There hasn’t been any major changes since 2014. There hasn’t been changes mid season as you claim. Ive watched MLf since its inception . As for the anglers that left… look at their records for both MLF and the elites. Not impressive nor consistent. Most of whom haven’t been a blip on the radar. I usually agree with your content but on this one, your bias is showing.
Your right, Duckett promised wine and roses then now they pulled the rug under them. You will see a lot of big names retire. Most can’t afford to start over somewhere else and build their brand back.
Duckett is sour grapes I was invited to speak with him at a Lake Harris event ...I passed. If he didn't win the classic on a lake he lives on he would have zero credibility.
Those guys did not throw Bassmaster under the bus Randy. Everyone including yourself at that time was complaining about payouts. They left to an organization that had better payouts, a new and exciting way to fish and a growing live viewership. And if you were invited you would be there right now. So keep it real.
I fish the kayak series national circuits (Bassmaster, Hobie). We've had a few Elite pros (Ike and others) fish our events. They usually do well but certainly don't dominate on a regular basis. Some really outstanding fisherman (sorry not me) have joined our ranks and the sport is growing like crazy. But we've got our issues too. FFS is becoming standard on many yaks and motors have been allowed now for several years. At what point does a souped up yak become a miniature bass boat? Good thing though - we take pic and immediately release fish. Five best fish on length rule the day.
I loved MLF when it first came out. The last few years though it has become so confusing with the different versions and tours. I’m not sure what I’m watching now when I find it on tv.
I miss the flw as a competitor to the elites. The forest wood cup was a prestigious championship. The bass pro tour is in my opinion hard to watch and besides the top few anglers I find myself asking what happened to some of the guys that basically get no promotion.
Randy is spot on with his assessment. With tournament bass fishing being such a niche sport, it only makes sense for there to be 1 major top level circuit. There is only so much money to go around. The multiple trails and anglers have exceeded what the industry is able to support. It will be interesting to see where they go from here. BPT went from strongly united and no entry fees , to now being severely divided and higher entry fees. MLF must have lost a huge title sponsor for such a drastic cut. Even if I was in the top 50, I wouldn’t want to work for a company that would lay off my peers with such a drastic plan. Especially considering what those guys gave up to make the BPT. But now that ship has sailed and going back comes with a huge price tag. Talk about a story if the “grass not being greener”.
I just wanted to thank you for all your time you put in to all your podcasts. You have the same opinion as I do on most things really on forward facing soner thank you Dean.
Getting paid when you finish last as a pro in a competition seems odd to me so eliminating that doesn’t seem so bad. reducing the Field to only 50 anglers vice 80 seems ok if you are truly trying to only have the best compete at the top level …
Every professional athlete gets paid whether or not they win games. That’s what makes it a profession, there is no such thing as “pro” bass fishing. It’s just high level gambling.
Money. Since when has money been just. So you just said it. MLS, BasMaster are built on TV and the old style of advertising. That's not the same any more. It won't ever be again. The people influencing who sees what products are individuals. There is no going back. Randy I truly believe that your sport along with loads and loads of other things in the world is changed. My company can't reach the audience it had 5 years ago because no one is watching TV anymore. Imagine the two blacksmiths that live in Dodge City watching cars go back and forth on the dirt roads, Imagine someone is talking about putting in a "Cobblestone main street. Imagine what those Blacksmiths are thinking. That's what you and I are doing. Used to be everyone had a horse and rode a horse. Now there are cars... Same for gas stations, Same for farms, Same for large clothing stores, Same for Malls, Same for office equipment stores,, Same for Same for Car dealers, Same for....... So the question for us is: Do we ride it out or do we change who we are? I'm 76 so I'm riding it out. I suggest you get a kayak and put your skills to work again. (Randy I really enjoy listening to you philosophize. I hope you can continue to make money within the sport and maybe philosophizing is your path to security.
I saw this back around 2008 when the economy tanked and all the advertisers/sponsors pulled out of what was then the FLW and of course Bassmaster took a hit as well. It’s obvious folks have stopped dumping the money into this sport that they were. Drive by a boat dealership and it’s more than obvious. The money flow has all but shut off. One mega dealer out of Oklahoma is trying to sell boats at invoice and still probably won’t be able to move them, from what I’m seeing I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the boating industry completely collapsed due to the Covid price run up. I figure the only thing that will stop that is if they gapped the profit margins enough to allow them to go back to pre-Covid prices and still turn a profit. Social media; I agree, is also drawing attention away from the major tournament organizations. Randy I also TOTALLY agree both organizations need a different business model where a good portion of their presence is social media.
Most intelligent pro anglers have realized they need to market themselves, primarily UA-camrs. Mlf and bass could care less about its anglers. The fact that they pay 100k for a win is an absolute joke. 20 years ago anglers were winning 100k
I think something happened behind the scenes last year. Changes this drastic can either be due to failed business model or being bought out by giant conglomerate in the process of buying out MLF. The more profitable the more the buy out will be. I think the greatest angler of all time knew something was coming and removed himself rather than be a part of it. Gonna be messy year coming but it will all come out in the wash.
As a viewer of Mlf I have enjoyed the program and definitely like the format better than Basdmasters and from a weekend bass fisherman's opinion I believe it has grown the sport big time. Mabey it's not good for the fisherman that fish these events and the sponsorship but for the fan I say yes. I have came to no a lot more pro fisherman watching Mlf than before Mlf my opinion Keep on doing what you do Randy big fan!
“Professional” bass fishing was a ridiculous notion to begin with. Recreational activities typically are not professions either. I hope that social media does take down the majority of the tourney orgs. If anything, they need to consolidate into one org, the PFA Tour, that emulates the PGA Tour format. Have a limited number of participants that have to qualify yearly to stay on tour. That way, only the best of the best get to compete. And BTW, FFS are not allowed on the PFA Tour. That kind of stuff is only used in the amateur ranks, not at the elite level.
Spot on. Welcome to the world of business. The total number of fishing dollars is being split into smaller pieces and new services like social media is attracting some of those dollars and attracting new dollars that weren’t attainable via tournament exposure. Back in the day you watched a little BASS, Bill Dance, Roland Martin, Hank Parker, Orlando Wilson, and Linder show you how to fish and push brands. Today, there are thousands of bait companies and fisherman exposing fishing on their channels…There are more people making or supplementing a living on fishing through their channels. Tournaments attract the competitor market, channels attract the entertainment dollars, and social media (like this channel) provides much of the drama…It could be an uphill battle for the circuits to recover the dollars…Like I said…welcome to the world of business.
Here's an idea: only pay top 10 anglers. Less tournament fishing means less pressure and better fishing. The future of fish should be 1st. I quit tournament fishing in the mid 70's.
Pretty shady but its Boyd Duckett, did anyone expect any different? I feel sorry for the anglers that believed Boyd and his BS and have to either contemplate starting over or retiring.
@@Stonehorn There's a hell of a lot that gets an organization to the point that they decide to cut almost half their field. Decisions by higher ups and constant change can't be overlooked. Add to that the original sales pitch etc. that some of the current anglers are talking about and it's far from simple IMO.
Love fishing but hate watching tournament fishing on TV. Would much rather watch fishing shows that are informative as far as using the electronics, and any new tackle and techniques. Thanks for In-Fisherman, Bill Dance, and Fishing Facts.
I never followed the BPT. It is not spectator friendly. I was a marshal in a couple of Bassmaster elite tournaments and I asked every angler I rode with about the BPT and everyone of them said that all the assholes left to go to the BPT and they were glad they left. My opinion on it is that it is a good ol boy tournament series. They couldn’t get their way with BASS so they started their own. Now they have anglers they don’t want in it so they are changing the rules to get rid of them.
Why don’t you mention the Major League Fishing cup and select tournaments that were on going for years and guys were lining up to fish. They had 60 anglers already used to the format and some big names were charter members of the league. Sounds like petty jealously to me. Anglers who were not invited got their feelings hurt. The current BPT may fail, but the original MLF was and still is exciting to watch and I hope continues.
I think that at the end of the day each person has a responsibility to their self and their family to make the best decision for them. Be it LIV golf or MLF . But something to Always Remember, these people are making a living by doing a sport. Most of us will never have the opportunity to make a living by playing golf or fishing. Or any other profession sport. I enjoy your content, keep up the good work.
100% agree. Guys like Matt Stefan that are rookies next year got hosed. MLF is scrambling every year and is constantly changing and grabbing at straws. Will be a chunk of anglers that will be out and will need to find another option or bow out.
Um you guys did it to yourself, it's fishing you guys have been getting rich fishing and using a sonar machine to tell you where the fish are . Tournaments should be old school no live scope just go fishing fishing shouldn't be all about the money .the root of all evil . Love your video ❤
It really did hurt when all the elites ditched BASS. MLF was awesome when it was a small TV show. I've stayed away from MLF since they went big but I've watched a ton of BASS live.
Two points: First I agree with your point about MLF keeps changing- they need to stick to their guns. Second: There’s a reason 80 angler’s left BASS. There shows were little about the tournament and more about in studio commentary from people that never fished a top level tournament. I challenge everyone to go back to the BASS tournament that MDJ won- there were guys that come in the top 5 that never had any television time. Their sponsors were not happy with the way things were going. Lastly- the industry is going to understand the social media influencers are short term gain. I’m 55- fish the Opens and Toyota’s - not trying to move up- just win. But do you know how much money I’ve spent on baits and equipment though out my life? I’m still buying a certain lure you used on my home waters- the Mobile Delta. Since your win and endorsement of that bait- I’m not mentioning it by name- I’ve spent $1000’s of dollars on that bait- because YOU used it and endorsed it. Oh and it works- well. I remember Gerald giving me a War Eagle spinner bait- before he got his first win on FLW tour with it. Do you know how much money I’ve spent on them- heck I had 2 tied on this weekend in a district championship on Neely Henry. I also still only buy Wrangler- because they sponsored the National Championship. They need to remember- “influencers”come and go- that’s quick money but a legend’s endorsement is sustained long term money in the bank. Keep plowing
Drastic changes like that, removing almost $1M in prize money, is indicative of a company in trouble … just another of the million reasons not to fish tournaments
I agree with you on this one Randy, where some of your videos I don’t. There were some things that from the get go that put a sour taste in most people’s mouths. When they badmouthed Bass on stage and said how they were going to put Bass out of business. Another thing was cutting out the fans at any of their events. It has been quite obvious that this was coming. The opens can’t accommodate all those people who are going to be cut out. I’m sorry for the really good anglers that were sold a bill of goods on this. It still pays to recognize snake oil salesmen when you see them. Watch Luke Dunkin’s video on this. He is spot on!!
When you brought up media influencers and brands,it made me think of a podcast I watched,there were three,one in his early 40's,30's and 20's,after bringing up payouts,new rules,the youngest said older pro's are retiring because they evidently can't figure out livescope,ffs or anything technical,I used it on my nephew's boat the first day,so six months you should be an expert,then he said something about brands,he said if he retired tomorrow he would do ok just off his brand,without fishing you have no brand,it's all about the fishing,he's not a rockstar,I truly think the sport is in trouble,
I think FFS is ruining the MLF now the art of bass fishing is gone , no one will be a powerhouse fisherman anymore , no more KVD , Roland Martin , Rick Clunn , or Denny Brauer , and those big names having success is over , and I think the sponsors are figuring it out , BASS will be next with changes cause in my mind they are tanking too
SpookyRedz - FFS isn't ruining Tournament Bass Fishing, You Tube is! It's no longer possible for a 'Pro' to make it in this so called Profession without a Social Media presence. Why do you think Randy puts out 3 videos every day? Cause he doesn't make any $$$ Fishing, it's all from his You Tube Channel. It's a whole New Fishing World - :>)
@@SpookyRedz - I understand where you are coming from, but if it's allowed in the tournaments, not really cheating. Lets be honest, 'cheating has ALWAYS been a part of Bass Tournaments. I'm 69 and back in the day of Bill Dance, Roland Martin and all the other heroes of the sport, hired Guides and local 'sticks' to show them all the Hot Spots. Guides were falling over each having the opportunity to fish with these guys. It's like a lot of things in this world - the haves are at a huge advantage over the have nots. Even guys like KVD had Technology way before everyone else. Advertisers realize that the 'eyes' that You Tubers get is WAY more valuable then any Tournament Fisherman can get. I will agree that Tournament Fishing is on a down turn and is being ruined by many different reasons. Sorry for the long rant, I know everyone is passionate about the sport. Shoot, I've had side imaging for a couple of years, and still can't figure it out - :) There is no way I could ever learn FFS!!!! Randy and all the old timers that I've grown up watching ALL embraced 21 foot Bass Boats 250 HP motors, $30,00 crankbaits, Side/Down imaging, Mapping, etc..... and if they were younger would jump on FFS. You know Randy's story's I'm sure - HE would do ANYTHING to win. Carry extra Gas tanks, dig ditches to reach hard to get areas, etc.... He was a Rebel back then and he would be a Rebel now if he could be! That's what made him good - He never gave up!!!! Believe me, to some guys he was considered a CHEATER. My Hats off to the way he fished - today's angler just have different WAYS! Have a good day!!!!
Finally, tell it like it is,absolutely,they threw bassmaster under the bus for what, money and now the money dried up, we'll boho boho deal with it, the truth is the grass is never greener on the other side,.
Yup, BD said he was going to gut B.A.S.S. That entire endeavor started off with that unofficial mission statment. Seems like his words are going against him now...
They’re also cutting 30 boat marshal jobs and day of revenue for the local town these events are held in. Essentially they’ve devalued their worth to those towns by 10-15% a tournament.
What???!!! Is MLF not making enough money from livescope advertising to pay the anglers? 😂😂. I thought scoping was the latest and greatest and brought in tons of money. Professional fishing is a circus.
It would take one tour not 17 and another Mike Iaconelli personality and consistent level of fisherman he was for anybody to actually recognize someone nowadays.
It's amazing how you worked the FFS into the MLF changes. FFS is not the downfall of professional fishing. If you really want to know the downfall, it is the social media youtubers.
Only way to fix this is 100% integrity by every angler on the tour, the entire field needs to boycott the tour. Every single angler needs to not pay the entry fees and not fish, either the organization works for the anglers or the organization goes bankrupt. THIS IS 100% IN THE HANDS OF THE ANGLERS FROM THIS POINT FORWARD.
I think your starting to see the death of the pro tournament fishing. Social media fishing channels with large followings are the future if you want to make a living in the fishing industry. Look at ‘Fish the moment’ or Tyler’s Reel Fishing if you want to see successful full-time brands. Both are making a full time living and not fishing a single tournament. But what they are doing is teaching people how to become better fishermen which is why companies like to partner with them. The vast majority of fisherman have no real interest in watching some pro catch fish, they want to learn how to catch more fish themselves and watching tournaments doesn’t help, watching a YT teaching channel does …
There should only be like 32 anglers in tournaments. When you drop 200+ boats it’s total chaos on the fisheries…plus they schedule the tournaments so they can bed fish and ruin all the spawns
Hey Randy I joined the old school fans thing because I was hoping I could ask you one question on this important tournament I have this weekend. Is that possible ? It's really important to me I qualified for a local tournament of champions and I respect your opinion.
I'm sorry I don't see the email address so I'll ask you here. One day tournament I can fish sat. or sun. not both. Weather has been bluebird upper 80's all week friday as well . Front starts moving in sat. but no rain. front is over me on sun with rain showers. Temps both days upper 60's. Water temp about 68 Wind forecast both days 6 to 10. Lake turned over last weekend. What day do you fish ?
I agree with some things you said. I don't agree that mlf was bad for the sport. It was great for the sport. There just isn't enough room on the elite series for the number of players involved. 80 man field is not nearly enough. The talent imo is pretty even with mlf maybe having an edge. The only reason bass is better is because of the classic. Mlf website, coverage is leagues better than bass. Bass website is literally trash comparatively. It's terrible to navigate. Mlf website is phenomenal. You can easily find everything you want about any event past or present and all the anglers as well as the live coverage is simply ao much better. If bass got it together with their website and being able to watch better they'd have buried mlf simply because the way mlf runs the bpt.
@pgm1970 it absolutely is. The live is always the top post. Wanta watch bfl, Toyota, invitational live weigh in or live broadcast its always right there front and center.
@pgm1970 If a bpt event is live its always on the home screen just click it and it's playing. With bass there's 5 steps to do anything on the website and if there is a kayak event or college or anything for you to find anything else its 10 steps and good luck figuring out where exactly it is. Need a tournament sheet for an upcoming open good luck finding it. Want to see results from a tournament last year or a tournament document good luck.
This is very true. Bassmaster does a terrible job with their website and do they even have an App? I know the magazine has an app but how does the top professional tournament not have an easy to navigate app? Further, fishing tournaments that stuff fish in a livewell and haul them all over God's creation, suck! I've seen studies that delayed mortality is as high as 70%! Pulling fish out on stage, carrying them around in bags, etc. is idiotic and harms the fishery for the weekend anglers. Stop it!
@leelatham1785 bassmaster does not have an app. Which in 2023 is absolutely ridiculous. I don't agree with 70% mortality. It's actually talked about a lot and the concensus is that over 90% of fish service just fine. It's a different story when it's hot. I made a long comment on another post about npfl having a summer tournament in Florida at the harris chain and for a week after the event there were 100s of dead fish all around the take off/release area. If it's not hot the fish are generally fine.
I think the viewership is down on MLF when they make a show out of some of their tournament is not fun to watch . If you try to watch it, all you see and hear is a angler and a tiny sound bite . They skip from different anglers very fast a the few seconds of a sound bite. But if you are watching a live MLF that is okay to watch. I just think who ever is in charge of building those shows could do a whole lot better. I am sure that’s not all the problem but it is with me. If I watch a BASS show they have made from a tournament it is great to watch because it’s put together so much better. And of course BASS live is always great to watch.
@@pgm1970 I have went back and watched many of old tournaments. Last night I watched a early 2000s of Greg Hackney winning on a jig . I guess I am the only person in the world and yes I do care!
To many tournaments, ur dead on. But I don't agree with all the hate towards mlf. That's not helping anything. But what's so bad about shrinking the field?
Not only do fishing influencers get more eyes than “professional fishermen,” they importantly get younger anglers that are hooked for life. Like them or hate them, the Googan Squad did a phenomenal job of this. Way way better for advertisers
You’re full of it saying you could win the Classic 5 years in a row and have less value than a UA-camr. Other than that I think you had great insight here.
Rangerbull - I think they are going to use an average over their MLF career, so a Guy with Wheeler's stats is safe. Plus there is talk of being able to throw out their 'worst' season. We shall see how it plays out.
Not sure how much more convincing they needed. When you have guys willing to fish the Opens to get back to BASS, and have a guy pay 50 grand to leave.... Can have a red flag bigger than that!
Lets be real when discussing why there was the ability to create the MLF/BPT. Many anglers were fed up with BASS entry fees, forcing them to drive all over the country spending tons of money in travel expenses, etc. If BASS had been better about protecting their talent this woudln't have happened. Now BASS does some of the same things MLF started. Also disagree on a Classic champ not having as much influence as a youtuber. I watch some youtube..but when it comes to driving product...I will take the advice of the classic winner over someone fishing in a pond.
The one thing I know in life is that as good as things can be, nothing ever stays the same. Your analogy about too many tournament trails (and thus tournaments) coupled with changing technology and the enormous impact of social media is spot on. Ray Scott had a wonderful dream. A lot of very talented anglers helped build the brand. Forrest Wood built a fabulous company. And it’s all changed, and in my opinion, not for the better.
I think the change is way better for the sport of fishing (not to be confused with the sport of competitive fishing). So much more information is available from a variety of sources, sources with better and more accurate information less compromised by branding (though Randy does his share of branding).
@@mistertwister1816 I’m all for the UA-camrs and subscribe to quite a few. For that, you’re right, and we’re all better for it. But just as professional boxing got distorted a long time ago when there were too many circuits, I think the same thing has happened, albeit to a somewhat lesser extent, to professional fishing. And I’m not watching a tournament on TV while some pro states at LiveScope. But yo each his own.
Kinda like NASCAR. It had its time of popularity.
Now that they have grown the sport we have tons of professional fisherman but no one will watch it.@@tomcaldwell5914
God does not change neither does his creation for us. We ruin everything
This is a prime example of how everything is controlled! Who gets to be a pro angler and thus who gets to be the star ! Bass fishing was one of the very few things the the Mega corporations didn't control for many years. Back in Randy's Haydays an angler made it or didn't make it based on his talents ! And God given gifts to catch fish. They have total control over who is in the spot light now, they are groomed all the way from high school to college. They give them the latest and greatest technology to the ones that have signed on with them, they are promoted with media, and plastered all over tv ! They have destroyed a sport that was based on talent and hard work just so they can control who is in front of the camera pushing their narrative. I think KVD was pushed out, I Don't think he was ready to retire ! Look who stepped into his position, Jacob Wheeler is now the face of MLF and Bass Fishing he's everywhere. KVD was a true competitor, that had morals and standards ! That wasn't the face they wanted at the top for some crazy reason.
I would love to see Bridgeford foods put together a 62 and older "Senior Tour" with the old school technics and no livescope. The viewing would be off the charts!
An open league without all the electronics would be way more fun to watch.
Agreed. Basic electronics
i just turned 50. The last time I fished a real tournament was back around. 2001. My Sgt. couldn't let me have the weekend off to go fish Lake Folsom in Northern California. We were very short staff. It was the state finals for B.A.S.S. Federation. They took 20 anglers from each region. i believe there were 5 regions at the time. I started pouring worms in 1994. I was having more fun pouring and injecting worms rather than the actual tournament. I fished the local Fresno Bass Club, B.A.S.S. Federation, and the now defunct Redman series., I lateraled in 2002 to Southern California. At that point, my worms were taking off and didn't mind missing the chaos. I still had an old Lowrance Paper graph and was taught how to read and store the graph. I learned how to read the contour lines on a map. You really needed to know how to read the contour lines on the map and also know where the water elevation was at on that particular day. I now just have a pair of Hook 7's . You take away all of this new advanced knowledge from the average Joe, they wouldn't know how to read a contour map. Nowadays, I'm just pouring plastics and attempting to put smiles on people's faces once they get their stuff. Since quitting tournaments, my stress level has gone down, I don't draw partners that will destroy my boat. I catch more and bigger fish since i said goodbye to the tournaments, and I'm saving money!
I'm willing to bet that KVD's retirement caused at least one major sponsor to either back out or drastically cut back on spending. The way that MLF came into existence and the way in which it's set up is completely unsustainable. BASS is about big bass, big stage, big dreams, and has an endless supply of skilled anglers aspiring to make it to the highest level of the sport. MLF is a temporary all-star league.
Kvd is still has vested interest. His retirement had nothing to do with the organization. He made that clear already.
As for “endless supply of anglers “ for BASS… that all changed when they switched to 9 open requirements for the elites. And btw, it was discussed just today with Todd Castledine and Andrew upshaw that the opens are having yet another “ change” to their format.
So much for the “ big stage, big dreams” mantra.
But i guess anything BaSS related regarding change will be swept under the rug. Anything MLF is demonized huh?
@@AzAngler77 definitely true about the 9 open format. I don't agree with that either. They did it to simulate the elite series schedule, but it makes it virtually impossible for your everyday person with a job to qualify through that route. You pretty much have to be independently wealthy and/or self-employed now. This will make the elite series even more competitive, too, as I'm sure many of the guys from the MLF who used to be in the elite series and were cut from MLF will reattempt to qualify for the elites. The whole industry just needs more funding, higher payouts, and to give more opportunity to all to truly live up to the "Big Bass, Big Stage, Big Dreams" motto.
I wish BASS would have higher payouts in the opens, and there national leagues than they do now. If BASS wants to sustain the long-term longevity they need to finally up the payouts
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@@chrishampton8842 truth hurts😂😂
I’ve been in upper management almost my entire life. I used to believe that the best people were the one’s selected to run a company. Totally false!! Most are basing their decisions on emotion and ego and lack critical thinking skills.
You got that right.
best manager is to know who to put in different positions
One entity should not attempt to have a monopoly over any industry (Bass Pro Shops/ Johnny Morris)… competition is better for the consumer and this case tournament angler
Big Companies partnered with Big Banks is what's destroying our country ! They only let people in that are loyal to them and not the company. They funnel money through capital projects into there contractor buddies pockets for kickbacks ! This money is shared with the group as a collective, And enriching themselves ! They are in control of raises and who advances, thus the power to bully, and push people out who are way more qualified to have there jobs. This power leaches out into the community with job placements in other companies and job movement between different companies. Think about how many people you know who job hop between the same companies over and over climbing the ladder with every move ! This is the same thing that's happening in our government, and intelligence agencies that's how you end up in this mess !
The paycut was needed to deck out all the tournament boats with 8 computer screens in 2024
Nah u gotta pay for that yourself lol
We need a tournament series that only fishes 2D sonar one screen on front one at the console.
The fact that youtubers like Milliken have more subscribers on youtube than Bassmaster and MLF combined explains everything.
It’s not like Milliken has posted a video every week for a decade, helped build one of the most successful and upcoming fishing brands to date, pay his dues to the opens and grind it out to make the elites and the classic… Guys in MLF chased a pipe dream when it was created and now it’s biting them on the ass. There’s a saying that everyone knows… if it’s too good to be true, it probably isn’t true. And that’s what the MLF is turning into. If it’s not older guys like Randy complaining about an ever changing industry/world its someone else complaining about another angler/person who’s put themselves in a position to be successful.
I used to watch Milliken early on…he got big using livescope. He is a good dude. Just because something is legal doesn’t make it good is all. Alabama rigs are banned but livescope isnt? There is no logic. Livescope changes everything it’s a dang tee ball stand and you want Pat on the back hitting the ball
Did you see he received the highest bid for a days fishing guide trip to raise money for the Bass Fishing Hall of Fame? He's not just a FFS whiz. The guy can catch fish.
@@donyarborough4114he can catch fish, because of ffs. I fished with a very talented angler, who admitted to me he could not skip docks. So all we did was use ffs. How can you be a good angler, but don’t even know how to skip a jig in a dock. Once you actually get to see ffs in use on the water, in a tournament situation. You will understand how much of a crutch it is to a lot of these up and coming pros. And you can also see how powerful it is. It’s inane how efficient and effective you can be at covering vast amounts of water, in short amounts of time. The Alabama rig has nothing on ffs. It’s not even a comparison, ffs is essentially cheating. If you are good with it, you don’t need to know how to be good at anything else.
Milliken said in his interview with btl that through the season he probably caught 30% of his fish with ffs.
MLF is basically telling us they're going belly up without telling us they're going belly up.
I'm picking up, what you're putting down Randy. Far stretch on the Pro winning 5x's back to back, but I hear you loud and clear on the concerns, which have validity. Back in the 90's I would have never thought I would get the opportunity to appreciate a Bass Pro discuss his opinions like this over a broad spectrum of topics. You're worth more than you know Randy. Thank you for always keeping us in the loop.
Randy, I'm a big fan of your channel and mostly my opinions align with yours. I am 49 years old and I just started fishing 7 years ago. For a newbie like myself, the MLF (BPT) format was much more exciting and interesting than the Bassmaster Elites. The personalities, the coverage, the style of fishing, all got me fired up to look forward to spring when I could get back out on the lake myself. And now with the team format they've introduced, the BPT has revolutionized fishing altogether. I didn't know Bill Dance from Rick Clunn growing up, but I do know good TV. And although guys like Bobby Layne & Hackney have left MLF, I still find the format, and the personalities way more intriguing then the Elites. I only wish one could be the NFC and the other the AFC, and in the end, the top 5 play against each other for the Super Bowl. Thanks Randy, and keep up the good fight.
As someone who grew up reading Bassmaster magazine and watching Bassmasters on TNN religiously, this is all sad
Exactly right, you won’t get sponsored by anyone if your not on social media.
Sorry Randy but i think your off on your conclusions. Im glad for the change. Especially the every fish formats return. The 5 fish format has been old, tired and boring.
I also think the reduction of anglers down to 50 is the most strategic business model we’ve seen in professional fishing. Not from the anglers aspect but overall business side of things. It’s blatantly obvious that MLF management is considering outside US financial markets and the questionable economy. With interest rates, 120% GDP debt… MLF is preparing for the destabilization of the markets.
This reduction of anglers does limit qualifying of anglers. In the last 48 hours Ive seen more MLF fans excited for upcoming season. So I don’t know where you’re getting your information that fans are upset or can’t keep up with the changes. The last change was for the 2023 season. There hasn’t been any major changes since 2014. There hasn’t been changes mid season as you claim. Ive watched MLf since its inception .
As for the anglers that left… look at their records for both MLF and the elites. Not impressive nor consistent. Most of whom haven’t been a blip on the radar.
I usually agree with your content but on this one, your bias is showing.
He does not understand economics
Your right, Duckett promised wine and roses then now they pulled the rug under them. You will see a lot of big names retire. Most can’t afford to start over somewhere else and build their brand back.
Duckett is sour grapes I was invited to speak with him at a Lake Harris event ...I passed. If he didn't win the classic on a lake he lives on he would have zero credibility.
Fishing once again priced themselves out of the market. 100k boats with FFS and the other bells and whistles. $25 lures. It's catching up.
Those guys did not throw Bassmaster under the bus Randy. Everyone including yourself at that time was complaining about payouts. They left to an organization that had better payouts, a new and exciting way to fish and a growing live viewership. And if you were invited you would be there right now. So keep it real.
100% right! Good comment
I fish the kayak series national circuits (Bassmaster, Hobie). We've had a few Elite pros (Ike and others) fish our events. They usually do well but certainly don't dominate on a regular basis. Some really outstanding fisherman (sorry not me) have joined our ranks and the sport is growing like crazy. But we've got our issues too. FFS is becoming standard on many yaks and motors have been allowed now for several years. At what point does a souped up yak become a miniature bass boat? Good thing though - we take pic and immediately release fish. Five best fish on length rule the day.
I loved MLF when it first came out. The last few years though it has become so confusing with the different versions and tours. I’m not sure what I’m watching now when I find it on tv.
I miss the flw as a competitor to the elites. The forest wood cup was a prestigious championship. The bass pro tour is in my opinion hard to watch and besides the top few anglers I find myself asking what happened to some of the guys that basically get no promotion.
Absolutely
Well side. I like too watch the format of MLF and the competitive way of MLF but the FLW and the Forrest Wood Cup is really missing from bass fishing.
Randy is spot on with his assessment. With tournament bass fishing being such a niche sport, it only makes sense for there to be 1 major top level circuit. There is only so much money to go around. The multiple trails and anglers have exceeded what the industry is able to support. It will be interesting to see where they go from here. BPT went from strongly united and no entry fees , to now being severely divided and higher entry fees. MLF must have lost a huge title sponsor for such a drastic cut. Even if I was in the top 50, I wouldn’t want to work for a company that would lay off my peers with such a drastic plan. Especially considering what those guys gave up to make the BPT. But now that ship has sailed and going back comes with a huge price tag. Talk about a story if the “grass not being greener”.
I just wanted to thank you for all your time you put in to all your podcasts. You have the same opinion as I do on most things really on forward facing soner thank you Dean.
Most spot on video you’ve ever done,thanks
Man. I never knew this. Used to love watching BassMaster.
Very good information and great dissertation.
Nothing good lasts forever.
Well said. I think you're right on with this one. I hate that Stefan is getting screwed too.
Me to, sucks for him and the other rookies
Bass and mlf need to put more tournament coverage on social media
This is T.Payne with 540fishing do you feel the changes with the payouts are a result of the possible losing sponsorship form cutting out live sonar.
Again you hit the nail on the head ,i agree 100 %.
Getting paid when you finish last as a pro in a competition seems odd to me so eliminating that doesn’t seem so bad. reducing the Field to only 50 anglers vice 80 seems ok if you are truly trying to only have the best compete at the top level …
Every professional athlete gets paid whether or not they win games. That’s what makes it a profession, there is no such thing as “pro” bass fishing. It’s just high level gambling.
Not totally true. If you miss a cut in a pro golf tournament, there is no paycheck.
Money. Since when has money been just. So you just said it. MLS, BasMaster are built on TV and the old style of advertising. That's not the same any more. It won't ever be again. The people influencing who sees what products are individuals. There is no going back. Randy I truly believe that your sport along with loads and loads of other things in the world is changed. My company can't reach the audience it had 5 years ago because no one is watching TV anymore. Imagine the two blacksmiths that live in Dodge City watching cars go back and forth on the dirt roads, Imagine someone is talking about putting in a "Cobblestone main street. Imagine what those Blacksmiths are thinking. That's what you and I are doing. Used to be everyone had a horse and rode a horse. Now there are cars... Same for gas stations, Same for farms, Same for large clothing stores, Same for Malls, Same for office equipment stores,, Same for Same for Car dealers, Same for....... So the question for us is: Do we ride it out or do we change who we are? I'm 76 so I'm riding it out. I suggest you get a kayak and put your skills to work again. (Randy I really enjoy listening to you philosophize. I hope you can continue to make money within the sport and maybe philosophizing is your path to
security.
...and same for record companies who completely missed the boat on new ways of distributing music. Things change and that's where the money goes.
MLF is a better format. Love that they are changing back. Weigh and release too.
Really sad part is, if they want to fish the opens, the first open is on the same week as the first BPT. So they have to choose now.
I saw this back around 2008 when the economy tanked and all the advertisers/sponsors pulled out of what was then the FLW and of course Bassmaster took a hit as well. It’s obvious folks have stopped dumping the money into this sport that they were. Drive by a boat dealership and it’s more than obvious. The money flow has all but shut off. One mega dealer out of Oklahoma is trying to sell boats at invoice and still probably won’t be able to move them, from what I’m seeing I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the boating industry completely collapsed due to the Covid price run up. I figure the only thing that will stop that is if they gapped the profit margins enough to allow them to go back to pre-Covid prices and still turn a profit. Social media; I agree, is also drawing attention away from the major tournament organizations. Randy I also TOTALLY agree both organizations need a different business model where a good portion of their presence is social media.
Most intelligent pro anglers have realized they need to market themselves, primarily UA-camrs. Mlf and bass could care less about its anglers. The fact that they pay 100k for a win is an absolute joke. 20 years ago anglers were winning 100k
Right except then boats were 20k not 120k. Lures and line were $5 not $25
I think something happened behind the scenes last year. Changes this drastic can either be due to failed business model or being bought out by giant conglomerate in the process of buying out MLF. The more profitable the more the buy out will be. I think the greatest angler of all time knew something was coming and removed himself rather than be a part of it. Gonna be messy year coming but it will all come out in the wash.
What’s your thoughts on the NPFL?
No offense but didn’t the split I the 90 s with FLW do the same thing ( fracture the sport)?
As a viewer of Mlf I have enjoyed the program and definitely like the format better than Basdmasters and from a weekend bass fisherman's opinion I believe it has grown the sport big time. Mabey it's not good for the fisherman that fish these events and the sponsorship but for the fan I say yes. I have came to no a lot more pro fisherman watching Mlf than before Mlf my opinion Keep on doing what you do Randy big fan!
It’s incredible to me that most people can’t tell you what the MLF championship is. It really speaks to how confusing there format is
“Professional” bass fishing was a ridiculous notion to begin with. Recreational activities typically are not professions either. I hope that social media does take down the majority of the tourney orgs.
If anything, they need to consolidate into one org, the PFA Tour, that emulates the PGA Tour format.
Have a limited number of participants that have to qualify yearly to stay on tour. That way, only the best of the best get to compete. And BTW, FFS are not allowed on the PFA Tour. That kind of stuff is only used in the amateur ranks, not at the elite level.
Spot on. Welcome to the world of business. The total number of fishing dollars is being split into smaller pieces and new services like social media is attracting some of those dollars and attracting new dollars that weren’t attainable via tournament exposure. Back in the day you watched a little BASS, Bill Dance, Roland Martin, Hank Parker, Orlando Wilson, and Linder show you how to fish and push brands. Today, there are thousands of bait companies and fisherman exposing fishing on their channels…There are more people making or supplementing a living on fishing through their channels. Tournaments attract the competitor market, channels attract the entertainment dollars, and social media (like this channel) provides much of the drama…It could be an uphill battle for the circuits to recover the dollars…Like I said…welcome to the world of business.
Great take. Looking back at it IKE was way ahead of the game on marketing and where the dollars are.
Here's an idea: only pay top 10 anglers. Less tournament fishing means less pressure and better fishing. The future of fish should be 1st. I quit tournament fishing in the mid 70's.
Pretty shady but its Boyd Duckett, did anyone expect any different? I feel sorry for the anglers that believed Boyd and his BS and have to either contemplate starting over or retiring.
What’s shady about it? It’s pretty damn simple, pro bass fishing is failing. It’s not greed, they can’t pay out money they aren’t making
@@Stonehorn There's a hell of a lot that gets an organization to the point that they decide to cut almost half their field. Decisions by higher ups and constant change can't be overlooked. Add to that the original sales pitch etc. that some of the current anglers are talking about and it's far from simple IMO.
Love fishing but hate watching tournament fishing on TV. Would much rather watch fishing shows that are informative as far as using the electronics, and any new tackle and techniques. Thanks for In-Fisherman, Bill Dance, and Fishing Facts.
The guys who jumped ship and came back to the elites already had good timing ……. Ducket will sink the MLF
having cabel tv got too expensive so i watch a lot of fishing on you tube i totally agree with you Randy really like your channel
You would think that I’m Angry, quite the contrary, I let Randy be angry for me.
I never followed the BPT. It is not spectator friendly. I was a marshal in a couple of Bassmaster elite tournaments and I asked every angler I rode with about the BPT and everyone of them said that all the assholes left to go to the BPT and they were glad they left. My opinion on it is that it is a good ol boy tournament series. They couldn’t get their way with BASS so they started their own. Now they have anglers they don’t want in it so they are changing the rules to get rid of them.
I'll bet duckett and kline didn't take a cut in pay?
Why don’t you mention the Major League Fishing cup and select tournaments that were on going for years and guys were lining up to fish. They had 60 anglers already used to the format and some big names were charter members of the league. Sounds like petty jealously to me. Anglers who were not invited got their feelings hurt. The current BPT may fail, but the original MLF was and still is exciting to watch and I hope continues.
I think that at the end of the day each person has a responsibility to their self and their family to make the best decision for them. Be it LIV golf or MLF .
But something to Always Remember, these people are making a living by doing a sport.
Most of us will never have the opportunity to make a living by playing golf or fishing. Or any other profession sport.
I enjoy your content, keep up the good work.
100% agree. Guys like Matt Stefan that are rookies next year got hosed. MLF is scrambling every year and is constantly changing and grabbing at straws. Will be a chunk of anglers that will be out and will need to find another option or bow out.
Um you guys did it to yourself, it's fishing you guys have been getting rich fishing and using a sonar machine to tell you where the fish are . Tournaments should be old school no live scope just go fishing fishing shouldn't be all about the money .the root of all evil . Love your video ❤
It really did hurt when all the elites ditched BASS. MLF was awesome when it was a small TV show. I've stayed away from MLF since they went big but I've watched a ton of BASS live.
Randy I would love to see a senior tour get started. What do you think.
Two points:
First I agree with your point about MLF keeps changing- they need to stick to their guns.
Second: There’s a reason 80 angler’s left BASS. There shows were little about the tournament and more about in studio commentary from people that never fished a top level tournament. I challenge everyone to go back to the BASS tournament that MDJ won- there were guys that come in the top 5 that never had any television time. Their sponsors were not happy with the way things were going.
Lastly- the industry is going to understand the social media influencers are short term gain. I’m 55- fish the Opens and Toyota’s - not trying to move up- just win. But do you know how much money I’ve spent on baits and equipment though out my life? I’m still buying a certain lure you used on my home waters- the Mobile Delta. Since your win and endorsement of that bait- I’m not mentioning it by name- I’ve spent $1000’s of dollars on that bait- because YOU used it and endorsed it. Oh and it works- well. I remember Gerald giving me a War Eagle spinner bait- before he got his first win on FLW tour with it. Do you know how much money I’ve spent on them- heck I had 2 tied on this weekend in a district championship on Neely Henry.
I also still only buy Wrangler- because they sponsored the National Championship.
They need to remember- “influencers”come and go- that’s quick money but a legend’s endorsement is sustained long term money in the bank. Keep plowing
Loving the hat!!!🤠 Loving the Mobile office!!! Let's get the insight on the now Famous opinion 🤗
Drastic changes like that, removing almost $1M in prize money, is indicative of a company in trouble … just another of the million reasons not to fish tournaments
You're right!
great points
I agree with you on this one Randy, where some of your videos I don’t.
There were some things that from the get go that put a sour taste in most people’s mouths.
When they badmouthed Bass on stage and said how they were going to put Bass out of business. Another thing was cutting out the fans at any of their events. It has been quite obvious that this was coming. The opens can’t accommodate all those people who are going to be cut out.
I’m sorry for the really good anglers that were sold a bill of goods on this.
It still pays to recognize snake oil salesmen when you see them.
Watch Luke Dunkin’s video on this. He is spot on!!
Randy I’d really like to hear you talk on the BILGE
Sir Randall tottaly agree with you.
When you brought up media influencers and brands,it made me think of a podcast I watched,there were three,one in his early 40's,30's and 20's,after bringing up payouts,new rules,the youngest said older pro's are retiring because they evidently can't figure out livescope,ffs or anything technical,I used it on my nephew's boat the first day,so six months you should be an expert,then he said something about brands,he said if he retired tomorrow he would do ok just off his brand,without fishing you have no brand,it's all about the fishing,he's not a rockstar,I truly think the sport is in trouble,
I think FFS is ruining the MLF now the art of bass fishing is gone , no one will be a powerhouse fisherman anymore , no more KVD , Roland Martin , Rick Clunn , or Denny Brauer , and those big names having success is over , and I think the sponsors are figuring it out , BASS will be next with changes cause in my mind they are tanking too
SpookyRedz - FFS isn't ruining Tournament Bass Fishing, You Tube is! It's no longer possible for a 'Pro' to make it in this so called Profession without a Social Media presence. Why do you think Randy puts out 3 videos every day? Cause he doesn't make any $$$ Fishing, it's all from his You Tube Channel. It's a whole New Fishing World - :>)
@@lawrencemaruna7458 FFS will ruin it give it more time till more people have it , it’s cheating
@@SpookyRedz - I understand where you are coming from, but if it's allowed in the tournaments, not really cheating. Lets be honest, 'cheating has ALWAYS been a part of Bass Tournaments. I'm 69 and back in the day of Bill Dance, Roland Martin and all the other heroes of the sport, hired Guides and local 'sticks' to show them all the Hot Spots. Guides were falling over each having the opportunity to fish with these guys. It's like a lot of things in this world - the haves are at a huge advantage over the have nots. Even guys like KVD had Technology way before everyone else. Advertisers realize that the 'eyes' that You Tubers get is WAY more valuable then any Tournament Fisherman can get. I will agree that Tournament Fishing is on a down turn and is being ruined by many different reasons. Sorry for the long rant, I know everyone is passionate about the sport. Shoot, I've had side imaging for a couple of years, and still can't figure it out - :) There is no way I could ever learn FFS!!!! Randy and all the old timers that I've grown up watching ALL embraced 21 foot Bass Boats 250 HP motors, $30,00 crankbaits, Side/Down imaging, Mapping, etc..... and if they were younger would jump on FFS. You know Randy's story's I'm sure - HE would do ANYTHING to win. Carry extra Gas tanks, dig ditches to reach hard to get areas, etc.... He was a Rebel back then and he would be a Rebel now if he could be! That's what made him good - He never gave up!!!! Believe me, to some guys he was considered a CHEATER. My Hats off to the way he fished - today's angler just have different WAYS! Have a good day!!!!
It's the new Nascar. they will have cutout cardboard fans soon too. 😅
Finally, tell it like it is,absolutely,they threw bassmaster under the bus for what, money and now the money dried up, we'll boho boho deal with it, the truth is the grass is never greener on the other side,.
Yup, BD said he was going to gut B.A.S.S. That entire endeavor started off with that unofficial mission statment. Seems like his words are going against him now...
I think everyone realized that they would rather be fishing then watching fishing!
Bassmaster supposedly doing research on FFS and its effect on lakes so that's a start
I know for a fact the marketing comment is correct a client of mine in MLF had some major sponsor gains from increasing his social media presence.
They’re also cutting 30 boat marshal jobs and day of revenue for the local town these events are held in. Essentially they’ve devalued their worth to those towns by 10-15% a tournament.
What???!!! Is MLF not making enough money from livescope advertising to pay the anglers? 😂😂. I thought scoping was the latest and greatest and brought in tons of money. Professional fishing is a circus.
It would take one tour not 17 and another Mike Iaconelli personality and consistent level of fisherman he was for anybody to actually recognize someone nowadays.
I thought that when the BPT was formed that the anglers invited bought into it so they have an ownership in it. please clarifiy
Yep! beginning of the end !
It's amazing how you worked the FFS into the MLF changes. FFS is not the downfall of professional fishing. If you really want to know the downfall, it is the social media youtubers.
Only way to fix this is 100% integrity by every angler on the tour, the entire field needs to boycott the tour. Every single angler needs to not pay the entry fees and not fish, either the organization works for the anglers or the organization goes bankrupt. THIS IS 100% IN THE HANDS OF THE ANGLERS FROM THIS POINT FORWARD.
I hate watching bassmaster TV on fs1 it sucks, guys looking down on thier screens all day long, hate it!
I think your starting to see the death of the pro tournament fishing. Social media fishing channels with large followings are the future if you want to make a living in the fishing industry. Look at ‘Fish the moment’ or Tyler’s Reel Fishing if you want to see successful full-time brands. Both are making a full time living and not fishing a single tournament. But what they are doing is teaching people how to become better fishermen which is why companies like to partner with them. The vast majority of fisherman have no real interest in watching some pro catch fish, they want to learn how to catch more fish themselves and watching tournaments doesn’t help, watching a YT teaching channel does …
There should only be like 32 anglers in tournaments. When you drop 200+ boats it’s total chaos on the fisheries…plus they schedule the tournaments so they can bed fish and ruin all the spawns
Hey Randy I joined the old school fans thing because I was hoping I could ask you one question on this important tournament I have this weekend. Is that possible ? It's really important to me I qualified for a local tournament of champions and I respect your opinion.
Shoot me a message at my email that I provided in the description of the members only video section
I'm sorry I don't see the email address so I'll ask you here. One day tournament I can fish sat. or sun. not both. Weather has been bluebird upper 80's all week friday as well . Front starts moving in sat. but no rain. front is over me on sun with rain showers. Temps both days upper 60's. Water temp about 68 Wind forecast both days 6 to 10. Lake turned over last weekend. What day do you fish ?
Saturday
@@TheShon42073 shoot me a private message on my Facebook page Randy Blaukat, Professional, and Angler and I’ll give you the info
You better come back to this comment thread either on your shield or with the W.... keep us updated on how you did
This is a biproduct of front facing sonar. They cant afford to keep paying these nerds when there arent people that want to watch them.
Randy you nailed that on the head your totally right.
There is a major tournament overload
I agree with some things you said.
I don't agree that mlf was bad for the sport. It was great for the sport. There just isn't enough room on the elite series for the number of players involved. 80 man field is not nearly enough. The talent imo is pretty even with mlf maybe having an edge. The only reason bass is better is because of the classic. Mlf website, coverage is leagues better than bass. Bass website is literally trash comparatively. It's terrible to navigate. Mlf website is phenomenal. You can easily find everything you want about any event past or present and all the anglers as well as the live coverage is simply ao much better. If bass got it together with their website and being able to watch better they'd have buried mlf simply because the way mlf runs the bpt.
I disagree with this. Going on MLF website is not helpful when finding the next live tournament online.
@pgm1970 it absolutely is. The live is always the top post. Wanta watch bfl, Toyota, invitational live weigh in or live broadcast its always right there front and center.
@pgm1970 If a bpt event is live its always on the home screen just click it and it's playing.
With bass there's 5 steps to do anything on the website and if there is a kayak event or college or anything for you to find anything else its 10 steps and good luck figuring out where exactly it is. Need a tournament sheet for an upcoming open good luck finding it. Want to see results from a tournament last year or a tournament document good luck.
This is very true. Bassmaster does a terrible job with their website and do they even have an App? I know the magazine has an app but how does the top professional tournament not have an easy to navigate app? Further, fishing tournaments that stuff fish in a livewell and haul them all over God's creation, suck! I've seen studies that delayed mortality is as high as 70%! Pulling fish out on stage, carrying them around in bags, etc. is idiotic and harms the fishery for the weekend anglers. Stop it!
@leelatham1785 bassmaster does not have an app. Which in 2023 is absolutely ridiculous.
I don't agree with 70% mortality. It's actually talked about a lot and the concensus is that over 90% of fish service just fine. It's a different story when it's hot. I made a long comment on another post about npfl having a summer tournament in Florida at the harris chain and for a week after the event there were 100s of dead fish all around the take off/release area. If it's not hot the fish are generally fine.
I think the viewership is down on MLF when they make a show out of some of their tournament is not fun to watch . If you try to watch it, all you see and hear is a angler and a tiny sound bite . They skip from different anglers very fast a the few seconds of a sound bite. But if you are watching a live MLF that is okay to watch. I just think who ever is in charge of building those shows could do a whole lot better. I am sure that’s not all the problem but it is with me. If I watch a BASS show they have made from a tournament it is great to watch because it’s put together so much better. And of course BASS live is always great to watch.
No one cares about old tournaments already done…. All those shows are useless
@@pgm1970 I have went back and watched many of old tournaments. Last night I watched a early 2000s of Greg Hackney winning on a jig . I guess I am the only person in the world and yes I do care!
To many tournaments, ur dead on. But I don't agree with all the hate towards mlf. That's not helping anything. But what's so bad about shrinking the field?
Not only do fishing influencers get more eyes than “professional fishermen,” they importantly get younger anglers that are hooked for life. Like them or hate them, the Googan Squad did a phenomenal job of this. Way way better for advertisers
You’re full of it saying you could win the Classic 5 years in a row and have less value than a UA-camr. Other than that I think you had great insight here.
If Wheeler has a bad year and doesn’t qualify, do you really think they will let him go? His brand brings to much money to the table.
Rangerbull - I think they are going to use an average over their MLF career, so a Guy with Wheeler's stats is safe. Plus there is talk of being able to throw out their 'worst' season. We shall see how it plays out.
From the list, mark daniels, skeet Reese, randle Tharp and many others are in trouble.
the format is sound as far as an ethical release of fish is concerned. plain and simple. I wish BASS would adopt it.
MLF needs to follow the same blueprint as One FC.
Tournaments force you to watch ffs. UA-camrs don’t…viewers can therefore pick and choose.
You should do a " worst ever" whole deal man. Like the just jacked up weird things that happen to you randomly fishing BASS FLW.
Ish and Bobby should have never left B.A.S.S. MLF doesn't fit them one bit. Now its an uphill battle for the greats to show they're great.
Not sure how much more convincing they needed. When you have guys willing to fish the Opens to get back to BASS, and have a guy pay 50 grand to leave.... Can have a red flag bigger than that!
Boyd Duckett shined everyone on.
Lets be real when discussing why there was the ability to create the MLF/BPT. Many anglers were fed up with BASS entry fees, forcing them to drive all over the country spending tons of money in travel expenses, etc. If BASS had been better about protecting their talent this woudln't have happened. Now BASS does some of the same things MLF started. Also disagree on a Classic champ not having as much influence as a youtuber. I watch some youtube..but when it comes to driving product...I will take the advice of the classic winner over someone fishing in a pond.
still waiting to see that lifetime list
Losing a million in sponsorship is a direct result on just how much clout, power, and influence KVD brought to the table, he goes, and so goes the $$
Live Scope needs to be illegal , where are the WLF ? When will they figure this out too