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- Rob Parker joins Skip Bayless, Shannon Sharpe and Joy Taylor to discuss the 2018 NBA Finals. Hear what Rob Parker thinks LeBron James and the Cleveland Cavaliers chances are to defeat the Golden State Warriors. Plus, does LeBron need to win a 4th title to pass Michael Jordan as the GOAT. Do you agree with Rob?
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Does LeBron need a 4th title to pass Jordan as the GOAT? | NBA | UNDISPUTED
• Does LeBron need a 4th...
Skip and Shannon: UNDISPUTED
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Can LeBron become the GOAT?
Skip and Shannon: UNDISPUTED no he’s lechoke forever
He can if he wins 3 more. Until then, he's another great player.
Not even close.
No
He can but he needs better teammates. To say he's the GOAT he should win at least one more championship.
Why are we crediting TEAM accomplishments to INDIVIDUALS. Championships are won by TEAMS not individuals....
Exactly
Because basketball is the most individual team sport
Dat Boi because LeBron fans say he does it by himself all the time
yardley moise facts
Ok take away championships Michael Jordan has the most individual awards in nba history if you wanna take away team accomplishments that also mean taking away Lebrons 8 straight finals appearances because that was accomplished by the team
Skip's doctor: I'm sorry, but you have cancer.
Skip: omg, this is almost as bad as Lebron's meltdown in 2011.
Alaa Tarek cancer aint as bad as that disgrace and 2010 when he quit
@@TheSands83 Ok now say that without crying 😂
Bamlak Bekele what? Dude what r u on?
2011 and 2014 finals is ruled by mafia... so don’t be glad to much....u better know that
Thomas Sankara 15 points on 3/14 shooting in a pivotal game 5 is definitely quitting. And in game 6 he shot 8/21 and had 9 turnovers.
Man... It’s crazy how Lebron was “disqualified” from the GOAT conversation when he played against KD, Curry and Klay by himself. You can’t make this stuff up.
Since when did Lebron play alone against the warriors. . Since when was a basketball game played 5 against 1. That's just a ridiculous argument
@@vinzmata5588 in 2018 you know he did
@@vinzmata5588 and 2015
@@vinzmata5588 and yet ppl act like MJ won all those titles by himself but when he was getting swept in first round is because he didn't have help. interesting right?
@@RL-ww5ev he did. Cry more
Who's here after Lebron won the chip in 2020? Lmao
ye
yea he's the goat now
THAT was the. Weakest. And. Most. Generic. Set UP. Of. A. Winn. Cake. 🚶 straight to the. Finals in. N BA history. Far as im concern. The. Most. Non Competitive. CHIP. Ever. This was a. Set up. Winn. Because of. Kobe. Death. Not. A bit. Impressed. Also. LeBron ad. Rondo. Are. Playing against. A bunch of. College. Kids. That doesn't know how to. Winn. Games.
@@jazztravis6817 Lmao that’s all y’all can say Lebron made it look easy he faced Trail Blazers, Rockets and the nuggets that came back from a 3-1 league on the clippers, I don’t wanna hear it.
GOAT JAMES/BOAT JAMES!! 🐐 🚢
I'll admit, Rob Parker CLEARLY has a bias against Lebron. That being said, lets also not act like he NEVER spits facts, because he does at times. Most people's bias FOR Lebron will keep them from seeing that though. #OBJECTIVE
RBTheBreakThrough right like they will say they don't blame him for getting swept in the finals by the spurs or losing to the warriors but would bash jordan for losing to the celtics and pistons when both teams had 4 or 5 hofers on it
I'm sure even I'LL get hate for just pointing that out in replies to this comment. Lebron James Justice Coalition.....ATTACK!!! lol
He actually makes a really good point I just noticed. And steph curry shoulda been finals mvp in 2015 and in 2017 he almost averaged a triple-double in the finals and he was efficient.
RBTheBreakThrough real talk
Kevin love and kyrie got hurt plus KD joins the team so Curry got lucky.
Shannon looked like he wanted to lay Rob Parker out...he was low-key mad af.
dayostical Shannons idolatry of lebron is disturbing.
dayostical whenever someone talks bad about Lebron Shannon gets salty
The argument was so stupid it could it could induce anger.
These guys don't believe their own arguments... Skip and Rob
Always happens to him when someone tells him the truth about Lebuy. :D
dayostical 😂😂😂
who's here after lebron win his 4th title ?
@e-man then why u replying... dude
@e-man tf you reply for hater
Until he wins 7 in a row come to talk to me
@@jhonpaura8416 100 in row
I am from Europe and when somebody said NBA evreybody got in his head MICHAEL JORDAN
Facts
That is true or Kobe
That's cuz your simple minded I think y'all need to stop inbreeding LeBron is clearly the 🐐
@@dyspo5391 u are smart I like you
@@dyspo5391 😎
So according to Rob Parker it would’ve been better for Lebron to not make the Playoffs at all instead of coming up 2nd in the NBA and losing in the Finals
robs salty about the 2007 east finals vs his pistons...losing in the finals isnt bad ...they just like to use abreatives cause its simple. its their way to bring down the goat
Tyler Smead no one once its all said and done will remember a finals record. Thry will say lebron made the finals x amount. Lebron won x mvps lebron won x championships
So do you celebrate last place?
Tyler Smead so according to Rob Parker Lebron can't be mentioned in the same sentence as Jordan because he frequently comes up small in the nba's biggest stage
Tyler Smead ikr
Wanna know why Jordan will remain goat ....here why:
Updated after Lebrons 14th season. Michael Jordan has
•3 more rings
•3 more final mvps
•1 more DPOY
•1 more season MVP
•9 more scoring titles
•3 more steals leader
•3 more all defensive team selections
•4000 more points / bron moved past him in playoff points, but it took him longer lol.
•800 more steals
•Beat 20 50+ win teams in the playoffs (Lebron only defeated 10)
•Jordan never averaged less than 40% Field Goal in the finals
Lebron did it twice
•6/6 (never allowed a game 7)
•Lebron had much more help
•Jordan never had a teammate averaged more than 22 points in the finals..
Kyrie averaged over 28 and DWade averaged more than 26
•MJ never ever had a finals meltdown like Lebron in 2011 against the Mavs
•MJ had more points in the playoffs in less games..
All of this accomplished in 13 seasons
Lebron is in his 14th season still chasing the "ghost that played in Chicago"
•Michael Jordan in the playoffs has put up atleast 40ppg, 5rpg, 5apg in 6 different playoff series. Along with an average of about 55% shooting, 3spg and 2bpg.
(86 vs bos, 89 vs cavs, 90 vs philly, 92 vs Miami, 93 vs Phoenix, 88 vs cavs) Jordan won every one of those matchups except for the 1986 matchup vs the celtics.
•Jordan in 88-89 averaged 32ppg, 8apg, 8rpg, 3spg off 54% shooting. LeBron has never even came close to this stat line.
•in 87 thru 92, MJ averaged 5 straight seasons of atleast 51% FG shooting. LeBron has never done this.
•the lowest FT% MJ ever shot in a season was 78%. Lebrons highest in a season ever is 78%.
•MJ has a higher playoff FG% of 48.7% to Lebrons 48.3%
•MJ has a higher playoff player efficiency rating of 28.6 to Lebrons 27.3.
•MJ shoots a higher playoff 3 point percentage of 33.2% to Lebrons 32.9%
•MJ also shocked the league by being the first (and only) player to have 100 blocks and 200 steals in the same season, then turned around and did it again the next year..
Seriously this list can keep going. This isn't even a debate. Mj is the GOAT.
Michael in only ELEVEN complete seasons with the Bulls:
-10 STRAIGHT scoring titles,
-Won Defensive Player of the Year,
-9 times all defensive team,
-9time All NBA,
-5 league MVPs
-6 finals MVPs
LBJ missed the playoffs completely in his first 2 years. Jordan didnt with scrubs on his squad. Jordan played 82 games 9 times in his career once at 40. LBJ only played 82 games once. In 89 Jordan won the scoring title all star MVP slam dunk title regular season MVP and Defensive Player of The year something LBJ has never done. Jordan also averaged 41 pts a game for an entire Finals shootimg 50% and won. Something else LBJ never did.
All 11 seasons. Mj has done in 11 seasons things Lebron hasn’t done and won’t do in his whole career...
True
There's no debate after this post
I didn’t read it all but Jordan had more help than lebron
SuperCasperman EXACTLY but Bronsexuals despise facts
Kennedi P Actually learn to read and OFC HE DIDN'T GENIUS
Shannon sharp is proof that fanboys come in all ages and colors 😂
craig smith Facts
Damnnnnn.
More like horses come in all ages and colors.lol
With Shannon's logic the Bills are better then the Cowboys of the 90's
Negative
EVERYBODY ATE IN THE LEBRON ERA
LAKERS
MAVERICKS
SPURS
GOLDEN STATE
CELCTICS
WHEN JORDAN HIT THE FINAL WHO WAS EATING? JORDAN. ROCKETS ONLY ATE WHEN HE RETIRED AND NO ONE ATE WHEN HE CAME BACK
CASE CLOSED.
HOW MANY PLAYOFF SERIES DID JORDAN WIN WITHOUT PIPPEN AND RODMAN
Sketti n Butter LeBron has disappeared so many times. MJ NEVER disappeared . Take the names off the jersey, would you rather have 6 rings or 3? 6 losses or none? It’s about winning plain and simple.
Alexander Boagni u need teammates to win great ones at that. At the end of the day the best player he ever played with was a d wade just exiting his prime. Pippen and Rodman are both top 50-75 players EVER. Imagine if lebron played with an elite scorer like tmac or Paul pierce. Lebron just needs space. Either way both phenomenal players and we are blessed for their play
Alexander Boagni Michael Jordan 1989 ECF
Game 4:
Scores 11 points over final 3 quarters
LOSS
Game 5:
Scores 1 point in the 4th quarter
LOSS
Game 6:
Scores 6 4th quarter points
LOSS
He’s lucky no social media was around back then
Somebody said rob parker look like a pancake wit no syrup 😂😂😂
Mike Lowry 😭😭😭😭
😂😂
Mike Lowry haha! Best comment I’ve seen all day
W😭😭😭😭😭😭
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Rob Parker get him ouuuuttttaaaaaaaa here....
Dat Boi his the most stupid thing I have ever seen.
Steph is the goat. Simple.
Dat Boi . Kept hiiiiiiiiim
ROB PARKER HURTING BRONSEXUALS FEELINGS 😆
Parker was right
What Rob meant was when MJ started to win championships, nobody else won and in that regard I hate to say it Rob is right in this segment
But he ignores the fact that Jordan never had to play a “superteam.” He hardly ever played teams with multiple all stars while Lebron is consistently playing teams with multiple MVPs and future hall of famers. Jordan played in an era where if you were a star it was shown as weak to move on from the team that drafted you while today people are questioning why giannis hasn’t demanded a trade yet
@@mikeconron1937 that's because mike team was the SUPERTEAM!!!
devaron simmons exactly 😂 it like if the kd warriors were playing the Celtics or Bucks in the finals every year it’s no competition
Mike Conron You’re stupid, Jordan was playing competition. Every team he met in the Finals he only had one Superstar in Scottie which was in his FIRST 3 CHAMPIONSHIPS, he had the competition the fact Jordan could even muster a record breaking regular season 72-10 record is ridiculous the dude only had Scottie and Dennis in that run, it’s hilarious that you guys say they had no competition when they were put up against The Phoenix Suns with a MVP Barkley, Lakers with a Magic Johnson, Supersonics with multiple all stars and superstars, Trailblazers a Superteam in their own right, Utah Jazz with one of the best PG’s ever and Karl Malone an insane talent, don’t even get me started with the Eastern Conference Jordan had to get through! Reggie Miller and the Pacers, Pistons during Jordan’s early career, Knicks with Patrick Ewing, Charlotte! LeBron literally has no competition in the East seriously. His road is easy in the playoffs however he’s easily beaten when a Team like GSW or Spurs meet him, GSW get blasted by all the teams Jordan faced and so do the Spurs. Bulls definitely blast GSW and Spurs along with that and THE DAMN MAVS. Quit this “JORDAN PLAYED WITH NO TALENT” talk it’s redundant AND WRONG.
92KOBE24 no but every other team Lebron played would sweep any of Jordan’s opponents
During Jordan's dynasty days. Nobody got a ring. Ewing, Hakeem, Barkley, Miller, GP, Nobody. But every superstar in the league has a ring during the Lebron era🤷🏾♂️. Durant, Kobe, Steph, Kawhi, Garnett, Dirk, Duncan, Wade.
😂😂😂😂 exactly exactly everybody has a ring in LeBron's time in the league😂😂😂😂
Wait i thought this was a team sport.
Hakeem got two rings during MJ’s year and a half retirement. MJ played half a year but got beat by Shaq’s Magic in the playoffs in ‘95 which Rockets sweeped 4-0 in the Finals.
Cause Lebron likes the give
Hakeem got 2 rings
If he wins.... it’s rigged
If he loses... Le 3-6
He can’t win 🤷🏾♂️
Heze-Hez 3-6
Heze-Hez Agreed. And he’s the 🐐 regardless.
Heze-Hez W asf
Heze-Hez
Facts 💯
Heze-Hez right there's no way he should even win a game they're really trying to make him the goat by beating a super team they can have That argument
Man the double standard is real. LeBron could face GOD in the finals and if he lost people would bash him for it LeBron isn't my favorite nor do I think he's the goat but he's criticized, analyzed and dissected more then any other player thats walked this earth.
james d so true 👏
Lebron deserves credit where credit is due but how is lebron’s 3 titles better than MJ’s 6? #3rdgrademath
Cuz he's the greatest, if he was not ppl wouldn't pressure him like this, Lebron has had this pressure since highschool. By now he's become stone cold to it, fans bicker about his greatness, meanwhile he's only focused on performing at peak level night in and night out.
Maybe if she didn't lose twice as many as he wins. And compared to someone who went 6-0.
Lol no. Not really even close. If you want a LeBron lesson head over to my channel.
Real talk. When Lebron wins he’s the greatest if he loses he doesn’t have enough help.
Lol "he doesn't have help but he's still the greatest" 😅 Bronsexuals are deluded
He never has enough help but gets to pick his teammates. Like when you drop Derrick Rose. I.T. And D. Wade...🤔🤔🤔🤔 Don't turn around and complain about your lack of help when you picked a bunch of dudes we dont know
@@MicMucique2 he's had 42 player trades since 2010... that's literally selecting his teams lol Crazy to think really
@@learningisgrowing thats PATHETIC. When you play with liebron all you can think about is if he wants you traded. How do you build team chemistry like that
@@MicMucique2 exactly. He and his supporters want to buy success, skip over all the hard work... and yet they have the audacity to claim LBJ as the GOAT??
Because he's been to more finals, he's the GOAT?
What a joke
kyle jayanun it’s all about winning
@Toxic Gaming Never said its his fault for losing. When did I ever say that? its stupid people think he's the goat cause he's 3-6. no way you can put him in that bucket as to someone being the goat over MJ.... or even Kareem
@ToxicSaidSo thank you, people forget to mention scottie pippen
Jordan only obviously played in a soft era ... so don’t be glad
@@ericrasonabe4701 bobo. Sa era na to bawal hand check. Sa era ni Jordan, hard foul walang flagrant foul tanga..
Funny how they say Cavs not good enough to win yet will criticize Lebron for not winning
biggest upset in sports history is leicester city winning the prem
Miguel Miranda ikr..lol
The premier league is dumb. No playoffs. Wtf.
Because there is F.A. Cup... The world is not just America.
this is bout basketball not soccer, nobody cares about soccer
The biggest upset in sports history was Buster Douglas beating Mike Tyson.
Shannon desperately trying to find info that supports his argument for Lebron being the best.
How are you now?
@@angelolagman4573 I'm doing good. You?
@@cryptidian3530 excellent now that GOAT James has 4 rings. Wdym desperate? Like i said how r u now
@@angelolagman4573 how are you now? Now that lechina James has excuses again to try and be top heavy 🥱
@@jlnxn5374 im good! Kevin durant didn't prove he's the best player so it's still LeBron so im good. 4 rings!!! 🕺🕺🕺
3:50 Rob getting shut tf down by Shannon, If you think Jordan would beat this warriors team with the help lebron has then you are deluded
Jordan would not have gotten out of the 2nd round.
When lebron loses “he has no help “ but when Jordan was losing its “he can’t do it without pippen “ you all do realize that the same thing that you’re holding against Jordan is the same thing that your showing empathy for towards lebron right?
s Smoove Yea LeBron fans are highly hypocritical.
suntansuperman26 and so are the haters. Don’t be one sided
but jordan done good in crucial time specially freethrow..
dominance determines if you are the true GOAT. Jordan destroyed his competition. Shaq destroy his peers. Kobe assassinated the NBA. Lebron makes it to the finals.........
Arthur Kay True that.
Arthur Kay LeBron has dominated in every series this enitre playoffs and has dominated the league for years but you just gonna ignore that?
Are we really going to pretend Kobe didn't ride Shaq's nuts in 3 straight Finals, missed the playoffs ENTIRELY his first year after Shaq left and then got booted in the first round 2 years running?
Between Jordan, Lebron and Kobe, Kobe is the only one to ever miss the playoffs entirely while in his prime. Kobe is also the only to have a league MVP as teammate and the only one to have teammate win Finals MVP over him.
Arthur Kay thanks for pointing this out!!!!
LeBron fans are delusional. Period.
With 6 losses (2 or 3 of them shouldn't have happened)... i would say he needs at the very least 2 more for it to even be worthy of a conversation... and if hes able to match it being 6-6 its more debatable for sure...
Only 2011 shouldn’t have happened
Losing against golden state with no kyrie or Kevin? Beating the spurs and golden state were tougher than any of Jordan’s finals
He's Not even close to magic or Kobe's 5 much less Jordan. It's dumb bqbyneonbeon need a binky was over hyped from the beginning it's sales and youngsters who've been programed and sold it. Lol. Btw DIRK !!!! End of discussion bawahahahaha
Lebron goat
@@mistaincredible2573 whatever helps you sleep at night is fine by me.
And Rob was right. Lebron and the Cavs got swept and couldn’t win one game
I mean they should've won game 1.
Missing the playoffs would tarnish LeBron's legacy. Losing to the Pacers would tarnish his legacy. Losing to the Raptors will tarnish his legacy. Losing to the Celtics and not making it to the finals would tarnish his legacy. Only winning championship would be considered good. LEBRON must to do the impossible or else it hurts his legacy.
This is so ridiculous , Lebron is being judged by ways like no other superstar being judged by.
Some even say Lebron catching Jordan is automatically impossible because Lebron is judged by finals losses. Its like losing in the first round is better than the finals ? Players die and live to reach the finals, leave alone he facing one of the best teams ever if not the best. Using a team accomplishment to rank individuals is wrong in the first place, but most times players at least get judged by the numbers their team won. Lebron gets judged by how many they lost instead,thereby creating a new standard where Lebron have to win the championship every year just to not be considered ad an object failure. That is beyond ridiculous.
Jordan's team gets swept in the first round but no one said it disqualified him from being the best, if LeBron gets any contribution from his teammates its ' they're saving his legacy ' Lebron literally has to win every final 1-on 5 + bench.
If Jordan is judged by the crazed standards lebron is. Jordan would be facing hard times in the league, much less be proclaimed the greatest.
Imad Sb MJ got swept in the first round his twice in his first 3 years. LeBron didn't even make the playoffs his first two. How come everytime LeBron loses to a team better than his y'all Bronsexuals give him a pass and say "he wasn't supposed to win" but y'all bash MJ for losing to teams better than him while it was his first 3 years and he barely played his second?
Steph Curry The G.O.A.T I love my MJ . Don't get me worng, my point is, everyone is hating on LeBron for stupid reasons. Just give the man a break, he's right there with Jordan. Period
MJ has better stats too. except in rebounding and passing. and minutes played. That's it really lol, everything else LBj is doing is based on longevity and playing pro longer
Imad Sb Westbrook
Imad Sb Stephen Curry overated
Shannon need to stop ✋🏽 😂😂 His Lebron love is getting kinda creepy. But it’s still funny.
edwin hamilton lol 😂
It's like a homoerotic infatuation.
No it stopped being funny a long time ago it's just plain suspect now
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Heus like cashnasty
As a UK football (soccer) fan, I would absolutely love this type of format on our shows. US sports analysis is so dynamic and entertaining and the pundits are so honest with their opinions, I love it.
I wouldn't say their honest🤡🤡🤡
Thank you
LeBron has to end his career with 100% in the Finals to be known as above Michael Jordan
Skip and Shannon are so inconsistent.. Shannon rips tom Brady for how easy his ride is the the bowl.. yet praised LeBron.. and vice versa for skip. 🙄
Shannon only comments on Brady cuz of how Skip acts about lebron he doesnt rip him for it he just uses it as a reason that lebron is still the goat
Well Brady still wins most of the time sooo
Rochambeau 21. Pointing out the irony here
Rochambeau 21 facts
Pretty sure 5-3 is better than 3-5!!!
Rob parker speaking nothing but truths
Sad to agree. Lebron need to make that bi t ch move like KD and go to Houston. He can still get 3 more over there.
Kobe was the closet thing that I’ve ever seen to Jordan. Everyone else is fighting for 3rd place.
Sam Aboff big Fax. I hate how people just dismiss Kobe.
Kobe was the closest to killer instincts like Jordan. Lebron is a gazelle compared to Lions in MJ and Kobe.
My top 5 team would be :
Jordan
Kobe
Larry Bird
Wilt Chamberlain
Kareem Abdul Jabar
Kobe is almost equal to mj. I agree with u! But leflop? nahh, GOAT is just a product of his imagination. He cant face reality.
Bacteria Fastblade Kobe =‘s Mortal Jordan =‘s Godly
Nahhh yo cant, Not me WOW! Kobe is almost equal to MJ!? Never heard someone say something so delusional 😂 Kobe is not even in the top five. If you guys like skip bayless so much even he admits Kobe was like 7th all time. Lebron is number two whether you like it or not.
BRONSEXUALS: Lebron goes to the finals every year he’s the GOAT
Jerry West : am I a joke to you
west did not need to win 3 series to make a finals until 1972....so...its not the same
Asmosis Jones And also they didn’t have 7 games series (only 3 games to win) back in the day for the first few rounds. Only the finals had a 7 game series. (4 games to win). And plus the players nowadays are more athletic and have good conditioning.
West 1-8 in Finals
@@lajuan3474 4-10 in the NBA finals making cake walk after cake walk to the finals when your the only super team in the east (Heat & Cavs). JimmyxHighroller did a video that also broke down metrics that showed the LeBrons ring in 2013 was 4th and his ring in 2020 with Lakers is the third easiest of all time
@@BetterDeath You do know MJ was in a weak East when he started winning chips right? Also it's NOT LeBron's fault that the teams that were "supposed" to make it to the Finals or Conference Finals got beat. LeBron is just so great that he made making it to the Finals look like a cake walk. Also he smashed the teams in the West and y'all still hate. STOP STOP STOP
If LeBron gets his 7th title then we can talk.
When Jordan wins his 12th title then we can talk
CZsWorld still can't because Jordan never ran to a team to get a championship
if he win one in cleveland he passes MJ. Oh wait.
CZsWorld only if he did it with the same team
SAINTSBOY Russell played with 4 hall of famers in an era with less than 12 teams
Stop bringing rob Parker on the show 🤦🏼♂️
Cash's Stylist no I like Rob, he has an interesting point of view that makes no sense whatsoever!!!!!!!!!
My god, can not like this comment enough times.
Cash's Stylist he is smmarter than you
Cash's Stylist I was thinking the same thing Bruh.
he's a cornball brother...
Response to the title: uh.... I believe he needs a 4th, 5th, 6th, and a 7th LMAOO 😂😂
3:43- Can you lemme talk to Skip? *insert shannon's baby voice then smiles* 🤣🤣🤣
Team vs player this narrative is such bs lmao.
Did Lebron not have a Big 3? Why do people think he don't have a team in those Finals loses especially against the Mavs and Spurs? Jordan only needed Pippen and he won 3 straight. Lebron has 2 All-Stars on both teams and had what record? I would trade D-wade + C-Bosh for 1 Scottie Pippen at any era anyday. And why did Lebron loss while with those 2? And against who; an old Mavs;an old Spurs? GTFOH
BiblicalReaper Exactly. They have to find a way to make Lebron look good.
Kobe doesn't need a Big 3 facts!!!!
BiblicalReaper This is the first year Lebron goes to the finals without having a big 3 and he almost lost in the first round. He swept the Raptors but cmon the Raptors always suck in the playoffs. I don't know why people think it's impressive that LeBron beat the Celtics, when the Celtics are a young team and there 2 best players were injured yet they still took them to a game 7.
kirk lovell Kobe had Bynum and gasol
He also had shaq
Lebron had a big three but in year one with Miami, outside of lebron/wade/bosh. That team was fkn garbage. Bosh had not become a three point shooter at that time. They didn’t have ray Allen/Shane battier/Mario charmers wasn’t getting minutes/Norris cole didn’t get drafted yet/Chris Anderson wasn’t on the team.
Lebron and wade don’t “fit” well either. They can’t spread the floor and everything was tough and why Tyson chandler was a key part on that mavs team.
But ppl will love me and everything about him because it brings them back to there “happy” place
Shannon's argument, Lebron wins it's all because of Lebron, Lebron loses; it's not Lebron's fault.
that's because if lebron wins, it's more than likely that he'll be the best player in the series by far. Whereas if he loses he might have a great statline, but that won't be enough.
Aaron Castillo yh, Shannon speaking facts
When lebrons lose check his teams stats which he has no help so
Right on! Speaking out of both sides of his mouth
cause when they win, you'll check the stats, Lebron stands out of anybody that's why he gets praises... then when he lose he still gets pretty good stats, you never can blame a guy putting up big numbers in a loss, you'll look for the worst performance then blame it to them....
Anybody here after lebron got his 4th
Great argument on steph Curry... he’s beaten him more times.
I been saying that. Like how he's better than Steph whe Steph Curry has as many rings as liebron. Got then in less time than liebron. And beat liebron for all his championships..... BUT I KNOW WHAT THE BRONSEXUALS WILL SAY.. Triple DOUBLE. 8 straight finals. He needs more help. Sad and PATHETIC
@@MicMucique2 by your championship logic, bill Russell is better than michael jordan. Lebron is better than steph, every measure in the nba proves it. Also learn how to type correctly.
@@sohaibhassan6036 not at all. It's not just the rings. It's about the over all basketball player. Like didn't bill play when a league where it was like a hand full of teams. Not to discredit bill Russell. But be realistic. You start a team. Who u want. Bill or M.J. and liebron is just a stat padder. Not a winner
@@MicMucique2 you just contradicted yourself. Russell is the biggest winner of all so he must be the best by your logic. Oh wait hes not cause other factors go into it like your averages and performance. Lebron is better than steph and plays better in the finals. If you actually think steph is better please get some glasses and go to the doctor to fix your brain.
@@sohaibhassan6036 the level of competition was different. You can't name 5 allstars let alone hall of Famers that played with BILL RUSSELL WITHOUT GOING ON GOOGLE. And that is something we can't say about Jordan's class.
As a Bulls fan, I'm sick of this whole debate
*_-12054life-_* as a basketball fan I'm sick of this conversation
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The Xman right its no way to prove it
TheBestFighter you’re right he’s way above him
Did anybody catch the fact that he basically just said the nba is rigged smh...🤦🏾♂️
IRONLUNGZ akaKUSH yes that’s another reason lebron be losing
DeMarcus Dates that's wrong 😂😂😂 the west already have great teams. They don't need the finals rigged for them. It's the east that struggles to compete with the talent if the West. Why you think they rigged that '12 finals with OKC vs Mia. The thunder was a better team and we're favored.
Harden got fouled on 3 3 point attempts, 1 of which he hit plus a foul.That's 3 points, plus 7 free throws taken away from Houston.Say he hit 5/7.5 plus 3 points, 8...Capela called for steps when it wasn't a travel.10 points total stolen from Houston.Capela called fora goaltend, when it was a clean block.Moving screen not called on Jordan Bell against Harden, when Steph hit a three.5 points gifted to the warriors.So, Rockets had 10 points taken away from them, and the Warriors 5 given...Golden State won by 9...
Jamal you tripping son. Go take your meds. No one with 2 or more brain cells was picking OKC over Miami. I bet you dont think its rigged when Lebron losses though.
Marko Todorović
It's funny how you only talk about the missed call on Houston side of the fence what about all the calls that they missed on the warrior side of the fence let's go ahead and add them up on both ends and you will see that the Rockets actually went to the free-throw line more than the Warriors did LOL!!
If you replaced James with MJ on any of his teams. MJ would have won more championships than James did. Enough said
Ok buddy thats why when mj retired the first time bulls still went 55-27 while the cavs are 19-63 without lebron😂😂😂
e @@saucegodsammy1668 did the Lakers make the playoffs last year?
rlozaa lozano Was lebron injured?
@@richdoescraft4599 So true
That’s just not true lmfaooooo
Who got this in their recommendations after lebron won his 4th?
If you're a LeBron fan I see what y'all have been talking about he can't win like for example with the Celtics if he lost "He lost to a bunch of young guys Jordan would never" since he won " They're young they have no experience what do you expect" Now he doesn't even get the no Kyrie no love asterisk anymore for 2015 he's probably the most hated player by fans and I know why he's getting uncomfortablely close to a lot of people's God Michael Jordan
He's the nba's poster child and #1 in jersey sales as well as shoe sales every year. He's not the most hated. What your missing is the fact that lebron wears 23 and actively says he wants to chase MJ. Thats when the standard changes. If MJ beat this celtics team, nobody would have said anything. It was expected. The celtics best player is al horford and they cant win a road game. They're missing their 2 franchise players. When lebron does it, "OMG OMG THE GOAT NO DEBATE HE'S THE GOAT 8 STRAIGHT DERP DERP DERP". Lebrons a cool guy, amazing player, his fans are cancer. All millineials with no understanding of basketball. Everything they know about lebron and MJ comes from a bleacher report graphic.
TheTinyTimmyTimTim I'm a Kobe fan so I wouldn't really know but beating a team that's undefeated at home without your second best player is pretty impressive but Jordan fans will of course minimize it just because he's number 1 in jersey sales means nothing he's the most well known but look at every comment section look at Twitter he's the most hated athlete since Kobe I don't think there's really a debate I'm a die hard Kobe fan but I'm also objective and LeBron is on another planet Jordan wouldn't have beat these celtics because he never had to carry a team by himself 🤷🏾♂️
Tim, that’s all false. There’s more haters than fans, that is fact.
Tj Louder beat a Celtics team without Kyrie and Hayward, don’t miss that.
TheTinyTimmyTimTim So anyone who believes Lebron is better is a millenial with no iq? Well if thats the case any Jordan fan has no iq either because something about him not being able to make it out of the first round until he had a team built perfectly for him says hes not the GOAT and even when that team lost him they made it to the finals and almost won without him so tell me how Jordan is so great if the team he had was that good without him
Not gonna lie that guy Rob Parker got a point. Even if his delivery doesn't hold that much punch dude got a point
David Dixon Indeed Shannon didn’t want to concede🤔
David Dixon What's Parker's point - that LeBron hasn't won enough championships to be considered the goat?
LeBron is not the GOAT because he can't even best his contemporaries like Steph, TD, Kobe in Finals wins.
Lebron GOAT over Jordan? Not even if he was born again.
LeBron beat GREATS! Jordan ain't beat Greats. Jordan beat sick Magic Johnson and a bunch of standbys. LeBron beat 1 of 1's. Duncan, KD, Steph, Klay, Westbrook and who is up next. All the teams LeBron faced in the Finals were Super Teams on Defense and Offense.
So he didn't beat Karl Malone and John Stockton twice? 2 HoF? one is second on the All Time scorer list the other is no.1 in ast and steals. He beat drexler, Charles Barkley, Ewing, Gary Payton and Shawn Kemp the original Lob City. and when he beat those super teams he was part of a super team himself.
Can yall stop bringing the black off brand Skip on the show???
I am Jesus Father 🤣🤣
oh whats up u want another analyst choking on Brons cockatoo? Shannon fills that void immensely
I am Jesus Father agreed.
Shannon on Suicide Watch after what Rob said
Its funny how shannon always goes back on why MJ got swept by celtics in his first 2yrs if his the goat and not realizing that LB missed the playoff in his first 2 yrs, how pathetic
Lebron fans are delusional. They think Jordan had more help. They don’t even realize that Jordan won a championship without an all star in 1998.
Jim Kelly is the second greatest qb according to Shannons way of thinking
no. jim kelly wasnt a 4x mvp and carried multiple teams to superbowls...
@@colonelgibbs8357 bro stop it. Tom Brady is damn near universally recognized as the goat yet Drew Brees numbers are better than Tom Brady's across-the-board! Do you know why? Cuz Tom Brady wins when it counts
Jim Kelly never won MVP's. No pressure coming into the league: Jordan and Brady. Not #1's. Pressure is on #1 players. LeBron came in from HS and led all his teams to 10 Finals. At 22 years old had the league team up against him. Then again in 2017 had it done again. Damn they protect Jordan. They did it against Kobe when CP3 was trying to get there and Kobe had 5. Then with LeBron, letting KD go to a team that won 73 games with the reigning Unanimous MVP. They would not allow LeBron to face a SUPER TEAM again, so They made a SUPER DUPER TEAM. That right there should tell any idiot on the walls who the greatest player is. FACTS!
LeBron must be paying Sharp.
Homero Eggert no u choose a side and you stick with it like a gang
Homero Eggert got to be
Blunt Sessions dude is bias just like Nick Wright
Homero Eggert or screwing him 😂😂
Idk if you were joking, but people like Sharpe and Nick Wright probably do get paid by LeBum's people to promote him
Lol. Shannon gets so threatened by people in the studio that aren't named skip
If LeFlop was the 🐐, which he is not. There would be no Golden State Warriors today.
That’s not how that works 😐
The BEST part 12:20 till the end. I exploded on the last part. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Rob Parker that dude that hates himself every time he gets up
Jordan Izudike lol
Jordan Izudike 😂😂😂😂
Jordan Izudike mad because he ugly!! ☺☺
lmfao
rob is a cool guy and he's right about this
"Everybody ate in the Lebron era", that's all i need to hear, nuff said.
Steve Jobs ... Scottie Pippen was a 7x all-star. What you talkin??
Ochiltree J Pippen should have been mvp the year Mj retired. Was voted top three. Best nba duo
Of all time.
Steevy Horton lmao you do realize there is a huge gap in the competition. Mj would not win 6 in a row in today’s game.
Andres Molina that is purely conjecture. The bulls team in their second three peat were considered best team of all time may have been able to win six straight even in this era. MJ and pippen would have won eight straight if MJ never retired the first time.
Lee Scott LEBRONS NOT EVEN THE BEST WINNER IN HIS OWN ERA HOW COULD HE BE THE BEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME ???
The Jordan Era was not when he entered the league. It was the 1990's. 1990-1999 The Piston's were the only team to eat during the Jordan era.
Said curry like he was playing alone😭😂
The referee’s can’t help the cavs 😂😂
Wc_ares Wc_ares they will help the warriors tho
Wc_ares Wc_ares only if he drives literally every time
They helped D.Wade in 06
bruh lets not tempt them.. they prolly was watching like ‘challenge accepted’.
What do you mean they can't help the Cavs? The refs control the game. If the refs wanted the Cavs to win, the Cavs would win.
Why they keep bringing back Rob Parker to this show??
Oscar Lindholm to pleasure skip
TheBestFighter no he’s a lebrons hater like you
jacob blackman facts 🤣🤣
Oscar Lindholm Cause he spits FACTS
Davicito whos mans is dis
6:19 Did Rob Parker just low key admit there is rigging in the league for the sole purpose of ratings...?
Rob Parker was exactly wrong
Rob Parker dropped a bomb on Shannon. He doesn't have anything to go against what Rob said. You know Shannon has lost the debate when he starts bringing up years and stats 🤣🤣🤣
Get rob parker outta here. 🤦♂️
Angel Snow facts
Angel Snow Spitting Facts
Angel Snow forreal he is nothing but a cornball brother
He's a certified idiot...
Yeah he gots ta go
"They didn't face Jordan"- on Bird winning
again... LeBron is not in the conversation because he gets to the Finals. Imagine getting punished for helping your team win
To pass someone u need to be on their level,at least n LeBron,still hasn't even passed Kobe yet. MJ is still da GOAT
Facts
*Simple* I see Rob Parker and go to the comment section 😂😂
I dont understand why Lebron fans can't be happy with him being a great player and not the greatest player.
Shannon is a blind Lebron fan 😂😂
When Shannon smiled and softly said to Rob Parker “Will you let me talk to Skip?” was weirdly the most scared I’ve ever been of Shannon Sharpe
Shannon is a good man but he can be scary when he wants to be.
Someone tell Shanon Sharpe that Jordan never had another player on his team average more than 22 in a Finals series ever.
Why are finals appearances more important than championships?
koytoys They’re not. However, getting to the finals is better than getting dusted by the bad boy pistons or the Celtics. Jordan is currently the GOAT but let’s not pretend Finals appearances don’t mean anything. Let’s say Lebron leaves town and goes to Houston and wins 3. 6-6 is more impressive to me than 6-0, just because he got there.
It's because Sharpe is already annointing him GOAT. No need to explain, dude. It's just ridiculous, as of the moment, argument.
Jim Collins- having a winning record is better. Lebron even in his first stint in Cleveland had a better team than those 80's bulls. 6-0 and no game 7. Not getting swept or worst point lost differential is better than 6 wins and 6 losses. And staying on that team along with one all star is better than leaving multiple teams in your prime to team up with a couple prime all stars.
Jim Collins really? That's a horrible way of looking at things. If he was with the Cavs the entire time for that 6/6 record then I'd be impressed.
i dont think gsw cant get an elite center,, coz of salary cap,, durant and klay take less salary for team to remain intact .. so another elite player will be absurd.. green and durant and klay defend well..
Rob exposed the truth about lebron it’s a fact
Rlly 😭😭
Lebron still isn’t the goat he ain’t even top 5 maybe he passes magic or bird if he wins this year again but he has yet to pass Kareem Kobe bird magic lebron regardless of politics is a big reason why the NBA has been on a decline look at the ratings Jordan made the NBA a global powerhouse and magic/bird saved the league lebron has been tearing this league down and off the court plays a factor into a goat especially in basketball does lebron have the impact AIR JORDANS have does lebron walk into a room and everyone recognizes a god no
3:45 I never seen a man get shutdown so smoothly lmao yeah unc 💪🏽
Why everyone talks about rings when talking about the GOAT? Bill Russell would be the GOAT. Please, stop this joke.
I mean Robert Horry has 7 7 is greater than 6
Bill Russell has 11
MJ is a better offensive player, better defensive player, never had a Mavericks meltdown, has more rings, has better analytic metrics (PER, win shares during prime, etc) but rings only are not the argument
The argument is about the GOAT. In this context the rings argument comes into play. It doesn't matter if Bill Russell or Robert Horry have more rings if they are not truly GOAT contenders to begin with. When you are a GOAT contender than all areas are considered and a major part of that discussion is the number of rings and how you go them.
THANK YOU 🤦🏽♂️
Did Rob Parker admit that the NBA Riggs some of the games ? 🤔
Mesfen yes, he did 👍caught it my very first watch
In my oppinion to be the GOAT one of the things u need to do is be the dominant team of this era. Lebron hasnt done that. The warriors have dominated him (and yes he won but that was before KD.) He just hasnt been dominant its that simple
2017 warriors best team ever shut up
So if lebron just joins the warriors then he’s the goat
bro just delete ur comment
Lmao the last 20seconds are soo damn true 😂
Help me make this make sense
How does somebody who makes everybody better and turns water into wine, never have enough help ?
trevion sewell cuz hes not a got he makes players better not touch n they turn into allstars
While Rob sounds like he hates James, he certainly speaks many truths that people don't want to accept...specifically Lebron fans.
Rob kicked Shannon behind
this comment section is empty i love it lmaooooo
It's no coincidence lebron fans aren't here trying to be his defense attorney. You said it perfectly? There's nothing to defend
@@anthonyrodriguez625 what did he say? talking about steph curry has same # of titles in less time then Lebron. OK have them switch team's and see what happens. u think steph taking cavs to finals? we know that answer
Rob has no credibiliy when it comes to discussing Tom Brady and Lebron James, 2 of the greatest athletes in the modern era.
Lechina will never pass Jordan. Never. That was not the biggest upset in sports history.
LeBron is the one constant in the NBA for the past 10 years, he's longevity and dominance over this period has been absolutely unbelievable. He is the standard of which greatness in this era needs to stack up to. Talk about "eating" to have been considered the best over probably the last 13 years there was only one person you had to have been better then one person and think about the talent we have seen, that GSW will probably have 4 future HoF and they lost. As for Durant, LeBron beat a 73 win Team, Durant joined one, everything he had accomplished since is redundant.
I haven’t watched it yet, but Rob is gonna probably gonna say some BULLJIVE!!!
20 years from now we will remember Lebron as a good guy with a 3-12 finals record. Right now he is 3-6 lmao
BeingWokeTV why dont you like him?
muchdepression [lmao] cuz he hates on Lebron all the time
Killua Zoldyck no he speaking truth
Gino Johnson speaking truth? LeBron has no teammates averaging 15+ points and the Warriors have 4 all stars with 3 of them being top 3 point shooters of all time bro come on it’s no argument
jordan is the GOAT and will always be the face of the game
Qintz *face of gambling
Dude really? Maybe one of the 2 faces of the 2000s(Kobe and LeBron) he's definitely not the face of the modern NBA, let alone of all time.
In twenty years Jordan will be thought of as Kareem often forgotten anybody with any smarts knows the face of the nba is always changing nobody will forever be the face
After Lebron
Hall Of fame
Lol no
Even if he won 6 titles, he also LOST 6 ... therefore not a GOAT
You know LeBron has only ever been the favorite to win the championship once in his entire career right? Put Jordan on those 2007 or 2015 cavs team instead of LeBron and he'd lose too.
@@bamlakbekele6494 Jordan is better but your argument is not good i would rather be 6-12 than 6-0 that means he made it to the finals 12 time !!!
@@TheStuffle69 6-12 would mean he made 18 finals using your same 6-0 logic buddy. My point was holding finals losses against lebron was stupid, it was a sound argument.
@@TheStuffle69 who taught u math jr smith ?
@@genixter4972 because people count Jordan's 1st round loses as better than Lebron's loses in Finals !!
Emotional LeShannon accuses Rob Parker of not letting him talk after blatantly interrupting him...he just can't stand anyone criticizing his boo!
Im waiting for the day SHANNON says.." YALL GONNA STOP TALKING ABOUT MY BABY"🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Rob interrupts every time
How can you argue that he's better than MJ when LeBron isn't even better than Kobe
Mike Hundredson I’m sorry, but Bron is better than kobe
@ all !! Lol
@@demonreacts5908 @ taking L's that's about it
Jomo Harris no, at the game of basketball. Almost everyone agrees. Only Kobe fans and Jordan dixkriders think otherwise. Lebron literally has better everything and more of everything except rings and defensive teams in less time
6 rings.
10 scoring titles.
1 DPOY.
x3 Steals titles.
5 MVP's.
6 finals MVP's.
9x All defensive team.
x3 Allstar MVP
x14 Allstar selection
x10 all NBA first team
All of this in ONLY 13 full seasons. Lebron is in season 15 and hasn't even scratched the surface of Jordan's accolades.
It's not even a debate.
do i have to enumerate lebron's achievement ? I guess it will be sick L
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daveberg69 💯
Also forgetting the part that Lebron is also the nba career leader in turnovers in the post season
daveberg69 this should have a lot more likes
In a era where all stars were rare
A GOAT should not have a losing record in the finals, especially when youre being compared to someone who is undefeated in the finals
Guess what who’s been to more
@@becketttratenberg1358 guess who won more 🤦♂️
From what we have already seen from Lebron , he can win 10 more , he’ll never be better than Jordan.
LeBron James never was better than Michael Jordan, never competed like Michael Jordan, never elevated his game or teammates like Michael Jordan, never had that big heart like Michael Jordan, never played defense like Michael Jordan, and never had the achievements like Michael Jordan has. When it is all said and done no other players come close to shear amounts of amazing performances that Michael Jordan has had at the biggest moments in basketball history. This is just a few reasons of Michael Jordan achievements, accolades, and record's. Michael Jordan hold records in so many categories that listing them would take weeks to go through.
@@hershelpogue1745 Old head💀
No just needs 3 more
Nick T ok he needs 3 more and still not better than Jordan.
Does lebron need a 4th ring to pass Michael Jordan as the GOAT? No he needs 4 MORE rings
Fun White Kid he needs infinity rings
Radzi Mag it’s about winning something lebron doesn’t have a history of doing to well
How can MJ be the GOAT if he has 5 less rings than Bill Russell?
Truth
@@kungfoochicken08 Because Bill russell played in an era when there was like 10 teams plus he has lost.
Shannon always talking bout the 80s jordan...yeah 80s jordan and 00s lebron had no help and we are not discussing those years in that goat conversation...once both had championship teams one went 6 for 6 and never went to a game 7 in an era where the most hall of famers came out of...and the other didnt show up in 2011 against a team that was even more of an underdog than this years cavs...and he didnt show up in 2014...I am giving lebron a lot of credit for what he did together with kyrie in 2016 but that is by far not enough to be the GOAT
King Ali i never thought of it like this you are right on the money with your comments
This was perfect yooo
Bro you were right untill you mentioned that 2011 mavs team was a bigger underdog then this years cavs , that heat team cannot compare to this warriors team and that mavs team is better as a whole compared to this cavs team
King Ali Bingo...this is what most people don't get. We are talking about once they had teams good (or decent) enough to make it to the Finals...what did they do? That's the question.
Yup he lost to Dirk and a Mavs team starting Deshawn Stevenson and a 38 year old Jason Kidd while on a manufactured superteam and being the de facto best player in the NBA.
2011 completely disqualified him for Jordan and GOAT comparisons.
Lets take winning out of the equation. Lets look at it this way...when mj played in those 6 finals was mj the best player in the series? The answer is yes. Now in the 9 finals was lbj the best player in each finals? Not in the first one, not in the dallas finals(he wasnt even the 4th best that finals), not in the spurs finals where kawhi won mvp, not in the last two Golden State finals where durrant was better. That's 5 finals where he was outplayed. Never happened to mj on the biggest stage or biggest games. Nuff said!
I agree with 2011 but every single finals other then that he was the best .
2017 2018 is not even a discussion .
2013 kawhi has two games where he scored under 10 . Lebron put up 28 on 57% and 51%3pt shooting splits 😂 so wrong again .