Ok take away championships Michael Jordan has the most individual awards in nba history if you wanna take away team accomplishments that also mean taking away Lebrons 8 straight finals appearances because that was accomplished by the team
Man... It’s crazy how Lebron was “disqualified” from the GOAT conversation when he played against KD, Curry and Klay by himself. You can’t make this stuff up.
@@vinzmata5588 and yet ppl act like MJ won all those titles by himself but when he was getting swept in first round is because he didn't have help. interesting right?
THAT was the. Weakest. And. Most. Generic. Set UP. Of. A. Winn. Cake. 🚶 straight to the. Finals in. N BA history. Far as im concern. The. Most. Non Competitive. CHIP. Ever. This was a. Set up. Winn. Because of. Kobe. Death. Not. A bit. Impressed. Also. LeBron ad. Rondo. Are. Playing against. A bunch of. College. Kids. That doesn't know how to. Winn. Games.
@@jazztravis6817 Lmao that’s all y’all can say Lebron made it look easy he faced Trail Blazers, Rockets and the nuggets that came back from a 3-1 league on the clippers, I don’t wanna hear it.
Wanna know why Jordan will remain goat ....here why: Updated after Lebrons 14th season. Michael Jordan has •3 more rings •3 more final mvps •1 more DPOY •1 more season MVP •9 more scoring titles •3 more steals leader •3 more all defensive team selections •4000 more points / bron moved past him in playoff points, but it took him longer lol. •800 more steals •Beat 20 50+ win teams in the playoffs (Lebron only defeated 10) •Jordan never averaged less than 40% Field Goal in the finals Lebron did it twice •6/6 (never allowed a game 7) •Lebron had much more help •Jordan never had a teammate averaged more than 22 points in the finals.. Kyrie averaged over 28 and DWade averaged more than 26 •MJ never ever had a finals meltdown like Lebron in 2011 against the Mavs •MJ had more points in the playoffs in less games.. All of this accomplished in 13 seasons Lebron is in his 14th season still chasing the "ghost that played in Chicago" •Michael Jordan in the playoffs has put up atleast 40ppg, 5rpg, 5apg in 6 different playoff series. Along with an average of about 55% shooting, 3spg and 2bpg. (86 vs bos, 89 vs cavs, 90 vs philly, 92 vs Miami, 93 vs Phoenix, 88 vs cavs) Jordan won every one of those matchups except for the 1986 matchup vs the celtics. •Jordan in 88-89 averaged 32ppg, 8apg, 8rpg, 3spg off 54% shooting. LeBron has never even came close to this stat line. •in 87 thru 92, MJ averaged 5 straight seasons of atleast 51% FG shooting. LeBron has never done this. •the lowest FT% MJ ever shot in a season was 78%. Lebrons highest in a season ever is 78%. •MJ has a higher playoff FG% of 48.7% to Lebrons 48.3% •MJ has a higher playoff player efficiency rating of 28.6 to Lebrons 27.3. •MJ shoots a higher playoff 3 point percentage of 33.2% to Lebrons 32.9% •MJ also shocked the league by being the first (and only) player to have 100 blocks and 200 steals in the same season, then turned around and did it again the next year.. Seriously this list can keep going. This isn't even a debate. Mj is the GOAT. Michael in only ELEVEN complete seasons with the Bulls: -10 STRAIGHT scoring titles, -Won Defensive Player of the Year, -9 times all defensive team, -9time All NBA, -5 league MVPs -6 finals MVPs LBJ missed the playoffs completely in his first 2 years. Jordan didnt with scrubs on his squad. Jordan played 82 games 9 times in his career once at 40. LBJ only played 82 games once. In 89 Jordan won the scoring title all star MVP slam dunk title regular season MVP and Defensive Player of The year something LBJ has never done. Jordan also averaged 41 pts a game for an entire Finals shootimg 50% and won. Something else LBJ never did. All 11 seasons. Mj has done in 11 seasons things Lebron hasn’t done and won’t do in his whole career...
So according to Rob Parker it would’ve been better for Lebron to not make the Playoffs at all instead of coming up 2nd in the NBA and losing in the Finals
robs salty about the 2007 east finals vs his pistons...losing in the finals isnt bad ...they just like to use abreatives cause its simple. its their way to bring down the goat
Tyler Smead no one once its all said and done will remember a finals record. Thry will say lebron made the finals x amount. Lebron won x mvps lebron won x championships
Tyler Smead so according to Rob Parker Lebron can't be mentioned in the same sentence as Jordan because he frequently comes up small in the nba's biggest stage
Man the double standard is real. LeBron could face GOD in the finals and if he lost people would bash him for it LeBron isn't my favorite nor do I think he's the goat but he's criticized, analyzed and dissected more then any other player thats walked this earth.
Cuz he's the greatest, if he was not ppl wouldn't pressure him like this, Lebron has had this pressure since highschool. By now he's become stone cold to it, fans bicker about his greatness, meanwhile he's only focused on performing at peak level night in and night out.
dominance determines if you are the true GOAT. Jordan destroyed his competition. Shaq destroy his peers. Kobe assassinated the NBA. Lebron makes it to the finals.........
Are we really going to pretend Kobe didn't ride Shaq's nuts in 3 straight Finals, missed the playoffs ENTIRELY his first year after Shaq left and then got booted in the first round 2 years running? Between Jordan, Lebron and Kobe, Kobe is the only one to ever miss the playoffs entirely while in his prime. Kobe is also the only to have a league MVP as teammate and the only one to have teammate win Finals MVP over him.
Jomo Harris no, at the game of basketball. Almost everyone agrees. Only Kobe fans and Jordan dixkriders think otherwise. Lebron literally has better everything and more of everything except rings and defensive teams in less time
He never has enough help but gets to pick his teammates. Like when you drop Derrick Rose. I.T. And D. Wade...🤔🤔🤔🤔 Don't turn around and complain about your lack of help when you picked a bunch of dudes we dont know
@@learningisgrowing thats PATHETIC. When you play with liebron all you can think about is if he wants you traded. How do you build team chemistry like that
@@MicMucique2 exactly. He and his supporters want to buy success, skip over all the hard work... and yet they have the audacity to claim LBJ as the GOAT??
If you're a LeBron fan I see what y'all have been talking about he can't win like for example with the Celtics if he lost "He lost to a bunch of young guys Jordan would never" since he won " They're young they have no experience what do you expect" Now he doesn't even get the no Kyrie no love asterisk anymore for 2015 he's probably the most hated player by fans and I know why he's getting uncomfortablely close to a lot of people's God Michael Jordan
He's the nba's poster child and #1 in jersey sales as well as shoe sales every year. He's not the most hated. What your missing is the fact that lebron wears 23 and actively says he wants to chase MJ. Thats when the standard changes. If MJ beat this celtics team, nobody would have said anything. It was expected. The celtics best player is al horford and they cant win a road game. They're missing their 2 franchise players. When lebron does it, "OMG OMG THE GOAT NO DEBATE HE'S THE GOAT 8 STRAIGHT DERP DERP DERP". Lebrons a cool guy, amazing player, his fans are cancer. All millineials with no understanding of basketball. Everything they know about lebron and MJ comes from a bleacher report graphic.
TheTinyTimmyTimTim I'm a Kobe fan so I wouldn't really know but beating a team that's undefeated at home without your second best player is pretty impressive but Jordan fans will of course minimize it just because he's number 1 in jersey sales means nothing he's the most well known but look at every comment section look at Twitter he's the most hated athlete since Kobe I don't think there's really a debate I'm a die hard Kobe fan but I'm also objective and LeBron is on another planet Jordan wouldn't have beat these celtics because he never had to carry a team by himself 🤷🏾♂️
TheTinyTimmyTimTim So anyone who believes Lebron is better is a millenial with no iq? Well if thats the case any Jordan fan has no iq either because something about him not being able to make it out of the first round until he had a team built perfectly for him says hes not the GOAT and even when that team lost him they made it to the finals and almost won without him so tell me how Jordan is so great if the team he had was that good without him
@Toxic Gaming Never said its his fault for losing. When did I ever say that? its stupid people think he's the goat cause he's 3-6. no way you can put him in that bucket as to someone being the goat over MJ.... or even Kareem
Did Lebron not have a Big 3? Why do people think he don't have a team in those Finals loses especially against the Mavs and Spurs? Jordan only needed Pippen and he won 3 straight. Lebron has 2 All-Stars on both teams and had what record? I would trade D-wade + C-Bosh for 1 Scottie Pippen at any era anyday. And why did Lebron loss while with those 2? And against who; an old Mavs;an old Spurs? GTFOH
BiblicalReaper This is the first year Lebron goes to the finals without having a big 3 and he almost lost in the first round. He swept the Raptors but cmon the Raptors always suck in the playoffs. I don't know why people think it's impressive that LeBron beat the Celtics, when the Celtics are a young team and there 2 best players were injured yet they still took them to a game 7.
kirk lovell Kobe had Bynum and gasol He also had shaq Lebron had a big three but in year one with Miami, outside of lebron/wade/bosh. That team was fkn garbage. Bosh had not become a three point shooter at that time. They didn’t have ray Allen/Shane battier/Mario charmers wasn’t getting minutes/Norris cole didn’t get drafted yet/Chris Anderson wasn’t on the team. Lebron and wade don’t “fit” well either. They can’t spread the floor and everything was tough and why Tyson chandler was a key part on that mavs team. But ppl will love me and everything about him because it brings them back to there “happy” place
Andres Molina that is purely conjecture. The bulls team in their second three peat were considered best team of all time may have been able to win six straight even in this era. MJ and pippen would have won eight straight if MJ never retired the first time.
EVERYBODY ATE IN THE LEBRON ERA LAKERS MAVERICKS SPURS GOLDEN STATE CELCTICS WHEN JORDAN HIT THE FINAL WHO WAS EATING? JORDAN. ROCKETS ONLY ATE WHEN HE RETIRED AND NO ONE ATE WHEN HE CAME BACK
Sketti n Butter LeBron has disappeared so many times. MJ NEVER disappeared . Take the names off the jersey, would you rather have 6 rings or 3? 6 losses or none? It’s about winning plain and simple.
Alexander Boagni u need teammates to win great ones at that. At the end of the day the best player he ever played with was a d wade just exiting his prime. Pippen and Rodman are both top 50-75 players EVER. Imagine if lebron played with an elite scorer like tmac or Paul pierce. Lebron just needs space. Either way both phenomenal players and we are blessed for their play
Alexander Boagni Michael Jordan 1989 ECF Game 4: Scores 11 points over final 3 quarters LOSS Game 5: Scores 1 point in the 4th quarter LOSS Game 6: Scores 6 4th quarter points LOSS He’s lucky no social media was around back then
But he ignores the fact that Jordan never had to play a “superteam.” He hardly ever played teams with multiple all stars while Lebron is consistently playing teams with multiple MVPs and future hall of famers. Jordan played in an era where if you were a star it was shown as weak to move on from the team that drafted you while today people are questioning why giannis hasn’t demanded a trade yet
Mike Conron You’re stupid, Jordan was playing competition. Every team he met in the Finals he only had one Superstar in Scottie which was in his FIRST 3 CHAMPIONSHIPS, he had the competition the fact Jordan could even muster a record breaking regular season 72-10 record is ridiculous the dude only had Scottie and Dennis in that run, it’s hilarious that you guys say they had no competition when they were put up against The Phoenix Suns with a MVP Barkley, Lakers with a Magic Johnson, Supersonics with multiple all stars and superstars, Trailblazers a Superteam in their own right, Utah Jazz with one of the best PG’s ever and Karl Malone an insane talent, don’t even get me started with the Eastern Conference Jordan had to get through! Reggie Miller and the Pacers, Pistons during Jordan’s early career, Knicks with Patrick Ewing, Charlotte! LeBron literally has no competition in the East seriously. His road is easy in the playoffs however he’s easily beaten when a Team like GSW or Spurs meet him, GSW get blasted by all the teams Jordan faced and so do the Spurs. Bulls definitely blast GSW and Spurs along with that and THE DAMN MAVS. Quit this “JORDAN PLAYED WITH NO TALENT” talk it’s redundant AND WRONG.
I don't understand how Lebron keeps losing year after year, but somehow gets closer to MJ's legacy. Is it the finals appearances that are bringing him closer? He cake walks to the finals year after year, he has zero competition in the east and hasn't for years.
godzzurah-PS4 That has absolutely nothing to do with what he just said and is something that you didn't even need to bring up. No one ever said that MJ didn't need team mates to win, every All-Time great player needs a suitable team to win championships.
+Jaheel Sayers There were only 23 teams in the NBA back then. That's 7 less than what we have right now, meaning out of the 16 that go to the play offs, only 7 get left out instead of 14 like today. Obviously because of that, teams with worse records were able to sneak their way into the play offs. That has no reflection on the conference as the East had the Celtics and Pistons winning 55 + games every season.
godzzurah-PS4 yea but Scottie wasn’t an all start till they had already won a championship Lebron has played with players that were already good such as d wade who was an mvp caliber player Chris Bosh kyrie Irving Kevin love and possibly kd
MJ is a better offensive player, better defensive player, never had a Mavericks meltdown, has more rings, has better analytic metrics (PER, win shares during prime, etc) but rings only are not the argument
The argument is about the GOAT. In this context the rings argument comes into play. It doesn't matter if Bill Russell or Robert Horry have more rings if they are not truly GOAT contenders to begin with. When you are a GOAT contender than all areas are considered and a major part of that discussion is the number of rings and how you go them.
When lebron loses “he has no help “ but when Jordan was losing its “he can’t do it without pippen “ you all do realize that the same thing that you’re holding against Jordan is the same thing that your showing empathy for towards lebron right?
Gino Johnson speaking truth? LeBron has no teammates averaging 15+ points and the Warriors have 4 all stars with 3 of them being top 3 point shooters of all time bro come on it’s no argument
that's because if lebron wins, it's more than likely that he'll be the best player in the series by far. Whereas if he loses he might have a great statline, but that won't be enough.
cause when they win, you'll check the stats, Lebron stands out of anybody that's why he gets praises... then when he lose he still gets pretty good stats, you never can blame a guy putting up big numbers in a loss, you'll look for the worst performance then blame it to them....
koytoys They’re not. However, getting to the finals is better than getting dusted by the bad boy pistons or the Celtics. Jordan is currently the GOAT but let’s not pretend Finals appearances don’t mean anything. Let’s say Lebron leaves town and goes to Houston and wins 3. 6-6 is more impressive to me than 6-0, just because he got there.
Jim Collins- having a winning record is better. Lebron even in his first stint in Cleveland had a better team than those 80's bulls. 6-0 and no game 7. Not getting swept or worst point lost differential is better than 6 wins and 6 losses. And staying on that team along with one all star is better than leaving multiple teams in your prime to team up with a couple prime all stars.
i dont think gsw cant get an elite center,, coz of salary cap,, durant and klay take less salary for team to remain intact .. so another elite player will be absurd.. green and durant and klay defend well..
Same as lebron what are u talking about they had to get a superteam gsw with durant to beat him 9 finals for lebrin .jordan 6. Lebron has more points more rebounds moore assists more steals more blocks then jordan so u tell me who is the goat also bill russell have 10 chips so dont say championships jordan has then lebron cause jordan then wont be the goat cause bill russell have more plain and simple jordan made tge finals after 7 years and lebron made it in 4 years so the king is the goat ooh yeah and 13 consecutives playoffs appereance and jordan ? Exactly. Lebron has jordan all records smashed. Just titles is the only thing jordan have cause lebron has more mvps to halla and jordan with the wizzards 2 years aint make the playoofs so king james all day is the goat and those are facts
I been saying that. Like how he's better than Steph whe Steph Curry has as many rings as liebron. Got then in less time than liebron. And beat liebron for all his championships..... BUT I KNOW WHAT THE BRONSEXUALS WILL SAY.. Triple DOUBLE. 8 straight finals. He needs more help. Sad and PATHETIC
@@MicMucique2 by your championship logic, bill Russell is better than michael jordan. Lebron is better than steph, every measure in the nba proves it. Also learn how to type correctly.
@@soabsss not at all. It's not just the rings. It's about the over all basketball player. Like didn't bill play when a league where it was like a hand full of teams. Not to discredit bill Russell. But be realistic. You start a team. Who u want. Bill or M.J. and liebron is just a stat padder. Not a winner
@@MicMucique2 you just contradicted yourself. Russell is the biggest winner of all so he must be the best by your logic. Oh wait hes not cause other factors go into it like your averages and performance. Lebron is better than steph and plays better in the finals. If you actually think steph is better please get some glasses and go to the doctor to fix your brain.
@@soabsss the level of competition was different. You can't name 5 allstars let alone hall of Famers that played with BILL RUSSELL WITHOUT GOING ON GOOGLE. And that is something we can't say about Jordan's class.
DeMarcus Dates that's wrong 😂😂😂 the west already have great teams. They don't need the finals rigged for them. It's the east that struggles to compete with the talent if the West. Why you think they rigged that '12 finals with OKC vs Mia. The thunder was a better team and we're favored.
Harden got fouled on 3 3 point attempts, 1 of which he hit plus a foul.That's 3 points, plus 7 free throws taken away from Houston.Say he hit 5/7.5 plus 3 points, 8...Capela called for steps when it wasn't a travel.10 points total stolen from Houston.Capela called fora goaltend, when it was a clean block.Moving screen not called on Jordan Bell against Harden, when Steph hit a three.5 points gifted to the warriors.So, Rockets had 10 points taken away from them, and the Warriors 5 given...Golden State won by 9...
Jamal you tripping son. Go take your meds. No one with 2 or more brain cells was picking OKC over Miami. I bet you dont think its rigged when Lebron losses though.
Marko Todorović It's funny how you only talk about the missed call on Houston side of the fence what about all the calls that they missed on the warrior side of the fence let's go ahead and add them up on both ends and you will see that the Rockets actually went to the free-throw line more than the Warriors did LOL!!
Kobe was the closest to killer instincts like Jordan. Lebron is a gazelle compared to Lions in MJ and Kobe. My top 5 team would be : Jordan Kobe Larry Bird Wilt Chamberlain Kareem Abdul Jabar
Nahhh yo cant, Not me WOW! Kobe is almost equal to MJ!? Never heard someone say something so delusional 😂 Kobe is not even in the top five. If you guys like skip bayless so much even he admits Kobe was like 7th all time. Lebron is number two whether you like it or not.
Lebron still isn’t the goat he ain’t even top 5 maybe he passes magic or bird if he wins this year again but he has yet to pass Kareem Kobe bird magic lebron regardless of politics is a big reason why the NBA has been on a decline look at the ratings Jordan made the NBA a global powerhouse and magic/bird saved the league lebron has been tearing this league down and off the court plays a factor into a goat especially in basketball does lebron have the impact AIR JORDANS have does lebron walk into a room and everyone recognizes a god no
And after all this nonsense talk by Shannon, Rob Parker was right and Cavs couldn't win 1 game, even when Shannon's GOAT dropped 51 points! Jordan didn't win every year he played, but when he got to the Finals he always brought the goods and didn't even allow the Finals to go to a game 7.
@@JahleelX-xx9wd LeBron never faced the powerhouses in the east back in the 90s. His trail to the finals have been so easy in the east and when they face a real talented team LeFlop shows his true colors.
@@KingLucky1211 I guess that's why he has three rings and a 73-9 team had to add the second best player in the world to beat him. Yeah that makes sense. First kd now cousins, five allstars in the starting lineup and I guess they just decided to have it just because not because of lebron. Makes sense.
@@JahleelX-xx9wd Bruh, LeBron had to leave his team to build a super team with two Superstars and an all star to get his first two, and even with that roster the man choked in two finals. Got outplayed by Jason Terry. Understand that Golden State came up from the bottom, nor Clay, or Steph even Draymond came into the NBA expecting to have what they have today. I give uu that KD joining the team was just Ludacris, but LeBron did the same years back. Just like he is getting ready to do again in LA attempting to get another top 5 player in the NBA to get a chip.
Math can't explain the competition he faced. Outside 2011 he faced stronger teams. When MJ gets into the Finals he was always in the better team. When his team wasn't that good or he faced a tougher opponent, he didn't make it.
donaldthompsonjr whats worse losing in the ecf or finals, people make seem like its better to lose in the first, second round and ecf than the finals which makes more sense and kd is better than all competiton Michael played in the finals
Rob Parker dropped a bomb on Shannon. He doesn't have anything to go against what Rob said. You know Shannon has lost the debate when he starts bringing up years and stats 🤣🤣🤣
During Jordan's dynasty days. Nobody got a ring. Ewing, Hakeem, Barkley, Miller, GP, Nobody. But every superstar in the league has a ring during the Lebron era🤷🏾♂️. Durant, Kobe, Steph, Kawhi, Garnett, Dirk, Duncan, Wade.
Hakeem got two rings during MJ’s year and a half retirement. MJ played half a year but got beat by Shaq’s Magic in the playoffs in ‘95 which Rockets sweeped 4-0 in the Finals.
With 6 losses (2 or 3 of them shouldn't have happened)... i would say he needs at the very least 2 more for it to even be worthy of a conversation... and if hes able to match it being 6-6 its more debatable for sure...
He's Not even close to magic or Kobe's 5 much less Jordan. It's dumb bqbyneonbeon need a binky was over hyped from the beginning it's sales and youngsters who've been programed and sold it. Lol. Btw DIRK !!!! End of discussion bawahahahaha
Shannon always talking bout the 80s jordan...yeah 80s jordan and 00s lebron had no help and we are not discussing those years in that goat conversation...once both had championship teams one went 6 for 6 and never went to a game 7 in an era where the most hall of famers came out of...and the other didnt show up in 2011 against a team that was even more of an underdog than this years cavs...and he didnt show up in 2014...I am giving lebron a lot of credit for what he did together with kyrie in 2016 but that is by far not enough to be the GOAT
Bro you were right untill you mentioned that 2011 mavs team was a bigger underdog then this years cavs , that heat team cannot compare to this warriors team and that mavs team is better as a whole compared to this cavs team
King Ali Bingo...this is what most people don't get. We are talking about once they had teams good (or decent) enough to make it to the Finals...what did they do? That's the question.
Yup he lost to Dirk and a Mavs team starting Deshawn Stevenson and a 38 year old Jason Kidd while on a manufactured superteam and being the de facto best player in the NBA. 2011 completely disqualified him for Jordan and GOAT comparisons.
Ben Daulton people don't get that. The rules changes after 2004 were ALL made to favour the players to score more. Nobody wanted to watch Pistons vs Spurs 70-80 scoring game (except for myself lol) all over again.
Only on UA-cam would a comment like this be validated by superficial 'likes'. LeBron has already surpassed both of those great players, & you'd need Christian-like blindness to not accept LeBron's place as at least the 2nd best of all time.
As a UK football (soccer) fan, I would absolutely love this type of format on our shows. US sports analysis is so dynamic and entertaining and the pundits are so honest with their opinions, I love it.
In this super team era of basketball, one man (depending on the conference) can single handedly will his team to the finals. But one man cannot singled handedly beat a starting line up of All Stars. Rob Parker said, "everybody eats in the LeBron era" like LBJ can control where other free agents decide to play and team up with. Take out LeBron and insert any great player you like, included Michael Jordan, and this Cavs team might not even have made it to the ECF. One's Finals record can be indicative of personal greatness, but it is more so a testament of how great one's team is.
You know LeBron has only ever been the favorite to win the championship once in his entire career right? Put Jordan on those 2007 or 2015 cavs team instead of LeBron and he'd lose too.
@@TheStuffle69 6-12 would mean he made 18 finals using your same 6-0 logic buddy. My point was holding finals losses against lebron was stupid, it was a sound argument.
You sound stupid, anyone in the history of basketball would be underdogs on THAT Cavs team against THIS warriors team. The Cavs has no other star who can create their own shot, and get other teammates going. The GSW have 4 of the top 25 players in the game. 2 of em are the 2 of the top 3 players, KD is the 2nd behind Lebron and is the best scorer in the game and arguably ever, Steph is 3rd and is the greatest shooter ever. Klay who’s s top 3-5 SG in the game, he’s arguably the 2nd best shooter ever, and is the best 2 way SG in the game. Plus they have Draymond who is the most versatile forwards in the game and a former DPOY, who is a damn near walking triple double maybe even quadruple double
Kyrie isn’t there to give lebron a ring Neither are wade and bosh. It’s time to admit lebron doesn’t need help... he needs someone to win the championship FOR him.
That's fine...he doesn't need kyrie...he got AD now...what you gonna say bout that...plus AD gonna win us some chip and let my lebron get the credit and MVP on top of that...quit crying...bron is the best
folks really just throw out team championship records to compare individual player careers with absolutely NO context added for level of competition nor competence of teammates… and think they have a logical "point". it's truly ludicrous.
hi there pretty eyes. Nice comment and on point! The level of competition is key when analyzing and debating individual stats in order to develop one's argument on "who's better than who".
rings are useful to compare the players that has similar stats. nothing wrong with that. lbj and mj has similar stats and they are all time greats. rings matter
Ömer Koşar rings are won depending on TEAMMATES production, coaching staff, player injures and degree of difficulty in competitors… NONE of which are under an individual player's control. it's so silly & illogical to conflate them otherwise.
Rob Parker is 100 percent right look at the 2000s best player was kobe shaq or Duncan had 4 and 5 rings, 90s best players was MJ with 6 rings , Hakeem number 2 and two rings, 80s best players where magic and bird 5 rings to 3 , 70s is tricky cause 7 different teams I won I believe and 60s only Russell and Wilt won , if LeBron is a dominant player and the goat how could he let someone in the same Era win more rings then him
Justin Gonzalez Lebron will probably never win a ring again. The 76ers are not beating a fully healthy Celtics or Warriors and Rockets do not have the money to get Lebron. It's over.
@Chris King So his other stats don't matter? Him being able to get there 9 times means he gets penalized for that? Huge majority of the community agrees that Bron is 2nd in all-time rankings. So you're either high or just stupid
@Colonel Gibbs bro stop it. Tom Brady is damn near universally recognized as the goat yet Drew Brees numbers are better than Tom Brady's across-the-board! Do you know why? Cuz Tom Brady wins when it counts
Jim Kelly never won MVP's. No pressure coming into the league: Jordan and Brady. Not #1's. Pressure is on #1 players. LeBron came in from HS and led all his teams to 10 Finals. At 22 years old had the league team up against him. Then again in 2017 had it done again. Damn they protect Jordan. They did it against Kobe when CP3 was trying to get there and Kobe had 5. Then with LeBron, letting KD go to a team that won 73 games with the reigning Unanimous MVP. They would not allow LeBron to face a SUPER TEAM again, so They made a SUPER DUPER TEAM. That right there should tell any idiot on the walls who the greatest player is. FACTS!
@@joshuapatterson4084 10 finals appearances with 6 losses is fine, but it is in no way a record that is up for a GOAT debate. Lebronsexuals gloss over his meltdowns and his obsession with leaving teams to build super teams like they never happened.
Lebron fans are hypocrites. When Jordan was losing in the first round it was against teams where he was clearly overmatched but they are still brought up against his legacy but when Lebron plays against teams like that the excuse is he is playing against better teams so he gets a pass. What!???
Borsalino Kizaru thats who they traded for tho wtf people say thats who lebron wanted either he wanted them or he didn't thats what they got when they got wade and rose it and crowder supposedly they were the truth they emptied and got what they got and its still a issue smh ya trippin' any excuse you can make for the " greatest player" why is there no excuse for any other team the way you guys do for the cavs not even the cavs for LeBron
StevenN I dont think you understand, there is no GOAT. How many would pick MJ in 1v1 game vs Bill, Kareem or Wilt? Its a stupid debate, there is no GOAT. you can only be the GOAT in your era, you cant go back in time or forward in time to prove MJ is better than Wilt or vice versa. GOAT debate is pure stupidity.. just Like MJ has 6 so hes the goat.. but Bill has 11 and MJ is better.. Doesnt make sense youy see?
Oh oh, when a record better than 6-0 comes up all of a sudden they start evaluating the competition. But when they say 3-5 they don't mention the competition.
What do you mean he shouldnt have even made the finals that year team was insanely trash he willed them there as an extremely young player thays not a black mark that was a bittersweet achievement
@@coreyreeves3841 Shot below 40% from the field and played well below even the standards he set for himself up to that point. Let's not act like he was averaging a 30 pt triple double on that efficiency like he did in 2015 too.
Can LeBron become the GOAT?
Skip and Shannon: UNDISPUTED no he’s lechoke forever
He can if he wins 3 more. Until then, he's another great player.
Not even close.
No
He can but he needs better teammates. To say he's the GOAT he should win at least one more championship.
Skip's doctor: I'm sorry, but you have cancer.
Skip: omg, this is almost as bad as Lebron's meltdown in 2011.
Alaa Tarek cancer aint as bad as that disgrace and 2010 when he quit
@@TheSands83 Ok now say that without crying 😂
Bamlak Bekele what? Dude what r u on?
2011 and 2014 finals is ruled by mafia... so don’t be glad to much....u better know that
Thomas Sankara 15 points on 3/14 shooting in a pivotal game 5 is definitely quitting. And in game 6 he shot 8/21 and had 9 turnovers.
Why are we crediting TEAM accomplishments to INDIVIDUALS. Championships are won by TEAMS not individuals....
Exactly
Because basketball is the most individual team sport
Dat Boi because LeBron fans say he does it by himself all the time
yardley moise facts
Ok take away championships Michael Jordan has the most individual awards in nba history if you wanna take away team accomplishments that also mean taking away Lebrons 8 straight finals appearances because that was accomplished by the team
Man... It’s crazy how Lebron was “disqualified” from the GOAT conversation when he played against KD, Curry and Klay by himself. You can’t make this stuff up.
Since when did Lebron play alone against the warriors. . Since when was a basketball game played 5 against 1. That's just a ridiculous argument
@@vinzmata5588 in 2018 you know he did
@@vinzmata5588 and 2015
@@vinzmata5588 and yet ppl act like MJ won all those titles by himself but when he was getting swept in first round is because he didn't have help. interesting right?
@@RL-ww5ev he did. Cry more
Who's here after Lebron won the chip in 2020? Lmao
ye
yea he's the goat now
THAT was the. Weakest. And. Most. Generic. Set UP. Of. A. Winn. Cake. 🚶 straight to the. Finals in. N BA history. Far as im concern. The. Most. Non Competitive. CHIP. Ever. This was a. Set up. Winn. Because of. Kobe. Death. Not. A bit. Impressed. Also. LeBron ad. Rondo. Are. Playing against. A bunch of. College. Kids. That doesn't know how to. Winn. Games.
@@jazztravis6817 Lmao that’s all y’all can say Lebron made it look easy he faced Trail Blazers, Rockets and the nuggets that came back from a 3-1 league on the clippers, I don’t wanna hear it.
GOAT JAMES/BOAT JAMES!! 🐐 🚢
Shannon looked like he wanted to lay Rob Parker out...he was low-key mad af.
dayostical Shannons idolatry of lebron is disturbing.
dayostical whenever someone talks bad about Lebron Shannon gets salty
The argument was so stupid it could it could induce anger.
These guys don't believe their own arguments... Skip and Rob
Always happens to him when someone tells him the truth about Lebuy. :D
dayostical 😂😂😂
Wanna know why Jordan will remain goat ....here why:
Updated after Lebrons 14th season. Michael Jordan has
•3 more rings
•3 more final mvps
•1 more DPOY
•1 more season MVP
•9 more scoring titles
•3 more steals leader
•3 more all defensive team selections
•4000 more points / bron moved past him in playoff points, but it took him longer lol.
•800 more steals
•Beat 20 50+ win teams in the playoffs (Lebron only defeated 10)
•Jordan never averaged less than 40% Field Goal in the finals
Lebron did it twice
•6/6 (never allowed a game 7)
•Lebron had much more help
•Jordan never had a teammate averaged more than 22 points in the finals..
Kyrie averaged over 28 and DWade averaged more than 26
•MJ never ever had a finals meltdown like Lebron in 2011 against the Mavs
•MJ had more points in the playoffs in less games..
All of this accomplished in 13 seasons
Lebron is in his 14th season still chasing the "ghost that played in Chicago"
•Michael Jordan in the playoffs has put up atleast 40ppg, 5rpg, 5apg in 6 different playoff series. Along with an average of about 55% shooting, 3spg and 2bpg.
(86 vs bos, 89 vs cavs, 90 vs philly, 92 vs Miami, 93 vs Phoenix, 88 vs cavs) Jordan won every one of those matchups except for the 1986 matchup vs the celtics.
•Jordan in 88-89 averaged 32ppg, 8apg, 8rpg, 3spg off 54% shooting. LeBron has never even came close to this stat line.
•in 87 thru 92, MJ averaged 5 straight seasons of atleast 51% FG shooting. LeBron has never done this.
•the lowest FT% MJ ever shot in a season was 78%. Lebrons highest in a season ever is 78%.
•MJ has a higher playoff FG% of 48.7% to Lebrons 48.3%
•MJ has a higher playoff player efficiency rating of 28.6 to Lebrons 27.3.
•MJ shoots a higher playoff 3 point percentage of 33.2% to Lebrons 32.9%
•MJ also shocked the league by being the first (and only) player to have 100 blocks and 200 steals in the same season, then turned around and did it again the next year..
Seriously this list can keep going. This isn't even a debate. Mj is the GOAT.
Michael in only ELEVEN complete seasons with the Bulls:
-10 STRAIGHT scoring titles,
-Won Defensive Player of the Year,
-9 times all defensive team,
-9time All NBA,
-5 league MVPs
-6 finals MVPs
LBJ missed the playoffs completely in his first 2 years. Jordan didnt with scrubs on his squad. Jordan played 82 games 9 times in his career once at 40. LBJ only played 82 games once. In 89 Jordan won the scoring title all star MVP slam dunk title regular season MVP and Defensive Player of The year something LBJ has never done. Jordan also averaged 41 pts a game for an entire Finals shootimg 50% and won. Something else LBJ never did.
All 11 seasons. Mj has done in 11 seasons things Lebron hasn’t done and won’t do in his whole career...
True
There's no debate after this post
I didn’t read it all but Jordan had more help than lebron
SuperCasperman EXACTLY but Bronsexuals despise facts
Kennedi P Actually learn to read and OFC HE DIDN'T GENIUS
So according to Rob Parker it would’ve been better for Lebron to not make the Playoffs at all instead of coming up 2nd in the NBA and losing in the Finals
robs salty about the 2007 east finals vs his pistons...losing in the finals isnt bad ...they just like to use abreatives cause its simple. its their way to bring down the goat
Tyler Smead no one once its all said and done will remember a finals record. Thry will say lebron made the finals x amount. Lebron won x mvps lebron won x championships
So do you celebrate last place?
Tyler Smead so according to Rob Parker Lebron can't be mentioned in the same sentence as Jordan because he frequently comes up small in the nba's biggest stage
Tyler Smead ikr
who's here after lebron win his 4th title ?
@e-man then why u replying... dude
@e-man tf you reply for hater
Until he wins 7 in a row come to talk to me
@@jhonpaura8416 100 in row
Somebody said rob parker look like a pancake wit no syrup 😂😂😂
Mike Lowry 😭😭😭😭
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Mike Lowry haha! Best comment I’ve seen all day
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Man the double standard is real. LeBron could face GOD in the finals and if he lost people would bash him for it LeBron isn't my favorite nor do I think he's the goat but he's criticized, analyzed and dissected more then any other player thats walked this earth.
james d so true 👏
Lebron deserves credit where credit is due but how is lebron’s 3 titles better than MJ’s 6? #3rdgrademath
Cuz he's the greatest, if he was not ppl wouldn't pressure him like this, Lebron has had this pressure since highschool. By now he's become stone cold to it, fans bicker about his greatness, meanwhile he's only focused on performing at peak level night in and night out.
Maybe if she didn't lose twice as many as he wins. And compared to someone who went 6-0.
Lol no. Not really even close. If you want a LeBron lesson head over to my channel.
biggest upset in sports history is leicester city winning the prem
Miguel Miranda ikr..lol
The premier league is dumb. No playoffs. Wtf.
Because there is F.A. Cup... The world is not just America.
this is bout basketball not soccer, nobody cares about soccer
The biggest upset in sports history was Buster Douglas beating Mike Tyson.
I am from Europe and when somebody said NBA evreybody got in his head MICHAEL JORDAN
Facts
That is true or Kobe
That's cuz your simple minded I think y'all need to stop inbreeding LeBron is clearly the 🐐
@@dyspo5391 u are smart I like you
@@dyspo5391 😎
If he wins.... it’s rigged
If he loses... Le 3-6
He can’t win 🤷🏾♂️
Heze-Hez 3-6
Heze-Hez Agreed. And he’s the 🐐 regardless.
Heze-Hez W asf
Heze-Hez
Facts 💯
Heze-Hez right there's no way he should even win a game they're really trying to make him the goat by beating a super team they can have That argument
dominance determines if you are the true GOAT. Jordan destroyed his competition. Shaq destroy his peers. Kobe assassinated the NBA. Lebron makes it to the finals.........
Arthur Kay True that.
Arthur Kay LeBron has dominated in every series this enitre playoffs and has dominated the league for years but you just gonna ignore that?
Are we really going to pretend Kobe didn't ride Shaq's nuts in 3 straight Finals, missed the playoffs ENTIRELY his first year after Shaq left and then got booted in the first round 2 years running?
Between Jordan, Lebron and Kobe, Kobe is the only one to ever miss the playoffs entirely while in his prime. Kobe is also the only to have a league MVP as teammate and the only one to have teammate win Finals MVP over him.
Arthur Kay thanks for pointing this out!!!!
LeBron fans are delusional. Period.
Rob parker speaking nothing but truths
Sad to agree. Lebron need to make that bi t ch move like KD and go to Houston. He can still get 3 more over there.
Shannon sharp is proof that fanboys come in all ages and colors 😂
craig smith Facts
Damnnnnn.
More like horses come in all ages and colors.lol
With Shannon's logic the Bills are better then the Cowboys of the 90's
Negative
Can yall stop bringing the black off brand Skip on the show???
I am Jesus Father 🤣🤣
oh whats up u want another analyst choking on Brons cockatoo? Shannon fills that void immensely
I am Jesus Father agreed.
Rob Parker that dude that hates himself every time he gets up
Jordan Izudike lol
Jordan Izudike 😂😂😂😂
Jordan Izudike mad because he ugly!! ☺☺
lmfao
rob is a cool guy and he's right about this
How can you argue that he's better than MJ when LeBron isn't even better than Kobe
Mike Hundredson I’m sorry, but Bron is better than kobe
@ all !! Lol
@@demonreacts5908 @ taking L's that's about it
Jomo Harris no, at the game of basketball. Almost everyone agrees. Only Kobe fans and Jordan dixkriders think otherwise. Lebron literally has better everything and more of everything except rings and defensive teams in less time
Real talk. When Lebron wins he’s the greatest if he loses he doesn’t have enough help.
Lol "he doesn't have help but he's still the greatest" 😅 Bronsexuals are deluded
He never has enough help but gets to pick his teammates. Like when you drop Derrick Rose. I.T. And D. Wade...🤔🤔🤔🤔 Don't turn around and complain about your lack of help when you picked a bunch of dudes we dont know
@@MicMucique2 he's had 42 player trades since 2010... that's literally selecting his teams lol Crazy to think really
@@learningisgrowing thats PATHETIC. When you play with liebron all you can think about is if he wants you traded. How do you build team chemistry like that
@@MicMucique2 exactly. He and his supporters want to buy success, skip over all the hard work... and yet they have the audacity to claim LBJ as the GOAT??
If you're a LeBron fan I see what y'all have been talking about he can't win like for example with the Celtics if he lost "He lost to a bunch of young guys Jordan would never" since he won " They're young they have no experience what do you expect" Now he doesn't even get the no Kyrie no love asterisk anymore for 2015 he's probably the most hated player by fans and I know why he's getting uncomfortablely close to a lot of people's God Michael Jordan
He's the nba's poster child and #1 in jersey sales as well as shoe sales every year. He's not the most hated. What your missing is the fact that lebron wears 23 and actively says he wants to chase MJ. Thats when the standard changes. If MJ beat this celtics team, nobody would have said anything. It was expected. The celtics best player is al horford and they cant win a road game. They're missing their 2 franchise players. When lebron does it, "OMG OMG THE GOAT NO DEBATE HE'S THE GOAT 8 STRAIGHT DERP DERP DERP". Lebrons a cool guy, amazing player, his fans are cancer. All millineials with no understanding of basketball. Everything they know about lebron and MJ comes from a bleacher report graphic.
TheTinyTimmyTimTim I'm a Kobe fan so I wouldn't really know but beating a team that's undefeated at home without your second best player is pretty impressive but Jordan fans will of course minimize it just because he's number 1 in jersey sales means nothing he's the most well known but look at every comment section look at Twitter he's the most hated athlete since Kobe I don't think there's really a debate I'm a die hard Kobe fan but I'm also objective and LeBron is on another planet Jordan wouldn't have beat these celtics because he never had to carry a team by himself 🤷🏾♂️
Tim, that’s all false. There’s more haters than fans, that is fact.
Tj Louder beat a Celtics team without Kyrie and Hayward, don’t miss that.
TheTinyTimmyTimTim So anyone who believes Lebron is better is a millenial with no iq? Well if thats the case any Jordan fan has no iq either because something about him not being able to make it out of the first round until he had a team built perfectly for him says hes not the GOAT and even when that team lost him they made it to the finals and almost won without him so tell me how Jordan is so great if the team he had was that good without him
Why they keep bringing back Rob Parker to this show??
Oscar Lindholm to pleasure skip
TheBestFighter no he’s a lebrons hater like you
jacob blackman facts 🤣🤣
Oscar Lindholm Cause he spits FACTS
Davicito whos mans is dis
Shannon need to stop ✋🏽 😂😂 His Lebron love is getting kinda creepy. But it’s still funny.
edwin hamilton lol 😂
It's like a homoerotic infatuation.
No it stopped being funny a long time ago it's just plain suspect now
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Heus like cashnasty
Because he's been to more finals, he's the GOAT?
What a joke
kyle jayanun it’s all about winning
@Toxic Gaming Never said its his fault for losing. When did I ever say that? its stupid people think he's the goat cause he's 3-6. no way you can put him in that bucket as to someone being the goat over MJ.... or even Kareem
@ToxicSaidSo thank you, people forget to mention scottie pippen
Jordan only obviously played in a soft era ... so don’t be glad
@@ericrasonabe4701 bobo. Sa era na to bawal hand check. Sa era ni Jordan, hard foul walang flagrant foul tanga..
Team vs player this narrative is such bs lmao.
Did Lebron not have a Big 3? Why do people think he don't have a team in those Finals loses especially against the Mavs and Spurs? Jordan only needed Pippen and he won 3 straight. Lebron has 2 All-Stars on both teams and had what record? I would trade D-wade + C-Bosh for 1 Scottie Pippen at any era anyday. And why did Lebron loss while with those 2? And against who; an old Mavs;an old Spurs? GTFOH
BiblicalReaper Exactly. They have to find a way to make Lebron look good.
Kobe doesn't need a Big 3 facts!!!!
BiblicalReaper This is the first year Lebron goes to the finals without having a big 3 and he almost lost in the first round. He swept the Raptors but cmon the Raptors always suck in the playoffs. I don't know why people think it's impressive that LeBron beat the Celtics, when the Celtics are a young team and there 2 best players were injured yet they still took them to a game 7.
kirk lovell Kobe had Bynum and gasol
He also had shaq
Lebron had a big three but in year one with Miami, outside of lebron/wade/bosh. That team was fkn garbage. Bosh had not become a three point shooter at that time. They didn’t have ray Allen/Shane battier/Mario charmers wasn’t getting minutes/Norris cole didn’t get drafted yet/Chris Anderson wasn’t on the team.
Lebron and wade don’t “fit” well either. They can’t spread the floor and everything was tough and why Tyson chandler was a key part on that mavs team.
But ppl will love me and everything about him because it brings them back to there “happy” place
"Everybody ate in the Lebron era", that's all i need to hear, nuff said.
Steve Jobs ... Scottie Pippen was a 7x all-star. What you talkin??
Ochiltree J Pippen should have been mvp the year Mj retired. Was voted top three. Best nba duo
Of all time.
Steevy Horton lmao you do realize there is a huge gap in the competition. Mj would not win 6 in a row in today’s game.
Andres Molina that is purely conjecture. The bulls team in their second three peat were considered best team of all time may have been able to win six straight even in this era. MJ and pippen would have won eight straight if MJ never retired the first time.
Lee Scott LEBRONS NOT EVEN THE BEST WINNER IN HIS OWN ERA HOW COULD HE BE THE BEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME ???
Rob Parker = paid troll
Dominique Nelson 🍾🍾🍾You earned it🤜🏽🤛🏽Great comment
Dominique Nelson and skip
Ben Twilleager Skip is the Alpha Troll
I like guys!
Jj J, why are you trolling now? You must be the love child of Skip and Ron, aren’t you?
EVERYBODY ATE IN THE LEBRON ERA
LAKERS
MAVERICKS
SPURS
GOLDEN STATE
CELCTICS
WHEN JORDAN HIT THE FINAL WHO WAS EATING? JORDAN. ROCKETS ONLY ATE WHEN HE RETIRED AND NO ONE ATE WHEN HE CAME BACK
CASE CLOSED.
HOW MANY PLAYOFF SERIES DID JORDAN WIN WITHOUT PIPPEN AND RODMAN
Sketti n Butter LeBron has disappeared so many times. MJ NEVER disappeared . Take the names off the jersey, would you rather have 6 rings or 3? 6 losses or none? It’s about winning plain and simple.
Alexander Boagni u need teammates to win great ones at that. At the end of the day the best player he ever played with was a d wade just exiting his prime. Pippen and Rodman are both top 50-75 players EVER. Imagine if lebron played with an elite scorer like tmac or Paul pierce. Lebron just needs space. Either way both phenomenal players and we are blessed for their play
Alexander Boagni Michael Jordan 1989 ECF
Game 4:
Scores 11 points over final 3 quarters
LOSS
Game 5:
Scores 1 point in the 4th quarter
LOSS
Game 6:
Scores 6 4th quarter points
LOSS
He’s lucky no social media was around back then
Funny how they say Cavs not good enough to win yet will criticize Lebron for not winning
Shannon on Suicide Watch after what Rob said
As a Bulls fan, I'm sick of this whole debate
*_-12054life-_* as a basketball fan I'm sick of this conversation
*_-12054life-_* 💯
*_-12054life-_* same
The Xman right its no way to prove it
TheBestFighter you’re right he’s way above him
What Rob meant was when MJ started to win championships, nobody else won and in that regard I hate to say it Rob is right in this segment
But he ignores the fact that Jordan never had to play a “superteam.” He hardly ever played teams with multiple all stars while Lebron is consistently playing teams with multiple MVPs and future hall of famers. Jordan played in an era where if you were a star it was shown as weak to move on from the team that drafted you while today people are questioning why giannis hasn’t demanded a trade yet
@@mikeconron1937 that's because mike team was the SUPERTEAM!!!
devaron simmons exactly 😂 it like if the kd warriors were playing the Celtics or Bucks in the finals every year it’s no competition
Mike Conron You’re stupid, Jordan was playing competition. Every team he met in the Finals he only had one Superstar in Scottie which was in his FIRST 3 CHAMPIONSHIPS, he had the competition the fact Jordan could even muster a record breaking regular season 72-10 record is ridiculous the dude only had Scottie and Dennis in that run, it’s hilarious that you guys say they had no competition when they were put up against The Phoenix Suns with a MVP Barkley, Lakers with a Magic Johnson, Supersonics with multiple all stars and superstars, Trailblazers a Superteam in their own right, Utah Jazz with one of the best PG’s ever and Karl Malone an insane talent, don’t even get me started with the Eastern Conference Jordan had to get through! Reggie Miller and the Pacers, Pistons during Jordan’s early career, Knicks with Patrick Ewing, Charlotte! LeBron literally has no competition in the East seriously. His road is easy in the playoffs however he’s easily beaten when a Team like GSW or Spurs meet him, GSW get blasted by all the teams Jordan faced and so do the Spurs. Bulls definitely blast GSW and Spurs along with that and THE DAMN MAVS. Quit this “JORDAN PLAYED WITH NO TALENT” talk it’s redundant AND WRONG.
92KOBE24 no but every other team Lebron played would sweep any of Jordan’s opponents
I don't understand how Lebron keeps losing year after year, but somehow gets closer to MJ's legacy. Is it the finals appearances that are bringing him closer? He cake walks to the finals year after year, he has zero competition in the east and hasn't for years.
Nathaniel Gordon ok but without Scottie Jordan didn’t do anything so
godzzurah-PS4 That has absolutely nothing to do with what he just said and is something that you didn't even need to bring up. No one ever said that MJ didn't need team mates to win, every All-Time great player needs a suitable team to win championships.
Y'all keep saying weak east but Jordan made the playoffs with a 30-52 record. Yea. Weak east.
+Jaheel Sayers There were only 23 teams in the NBA back then. That's 7 less than what we have right now, meaning out of the 16 that go to the play offs, only 7 get left out instead of 14 like today. Obviously because of that, teams with worse records were able to sneak their way into the play offs. That has no reflection on the conference as the East had the Celtics and Pistons winning 55 + games every season.
godzzurah-PS4 yea but Scottie wasn’t an all start till they had already won a championship Lebron has played with players that were already good such as d wade who was an mvp caliber player Chris Bosh kyrie Irving Kevin love and possibly kd
Why everyone talks about rings when talking about the GOAT? Bill Russell would be the GOAT. Please, stop this joke.
I mean Robert Horry has 7 7 is greater than 6
Bill Russell has 11
MJ is a better offensive player, better defensive player, never had a Mavericks meltdown, has more rings, has better analytic metrics (PER, win shares during prime, etc) but rings only are not the argument
The argument is about the GOAT. In this context the rings argument comes into play. It doesn't matter if Bill Russell or Robert Horry have more rings if they are not truly GOAT contenders to begin with. When you are a GOAT contender than all areas are considered and a major part of that discussion is the number of rings and how you go them.
THANK YOU 🤦🏽♂️
When lebron loses “he has no help “ but when Jordan was losing its “he can’t do it without pippen “ you all do realize that the same thing that you’re holding against Jordan is the same thing that your showing empathy for towards lebron right?
s Smoove Yea LeBron fans are highly hypocritical.
suntansuperman26 and so are the haters. Don’t be one sided
but jordan done good in crucial time specially freethrow..
3:50 Rob getting shut tf down by Shannon, If you think Jordan would beat this warriors team with the help lebron has then you are deluded
Jordan would not have gotten out of the 2nd round.
Does lebron need a 4th ring to pass Michael Jordan as the GOAT? No he needs 4 MORE rings
Fun White Kid he needs infinity rings
Radzi Mag it’s about winning something lebron doesn’t have a history of doing to well
How can MJ be the GOAT if he has 5 less rings than Bill Russell?
Truth
@@kungfoochicken08 Because Bill russell played in an era when there was like 10 teams plus he has lost.
I haven’t watched it yet, but Rob is gonna probably gonna say some BULLJIVE!!!
20 years from now we will remember Lebron as a good guy with a 3-12 finals record. Right now he is 3-6 lmao
BeingWokeTV why dont you like him?
muchdepression [lmao] cuz he hates on Lebron all the time
Killua Zoldyck no he speaking truth
Gino Johnson speaking truth? LeBron has no teammates averaging 15+ points and the Warriors have 4 all stars with 3 of them being top 3 point shooters of all time bro come on it’s no argument
LeBron must be paying Sharp.
Homero Eggert no u choose a side and you stick with it like a gang
Homero Eggert got to be
Blunt Sessions dude is bias just like Nick Wright
Homero Eggert or screwing him 😂😂
Idk if you were joking, but people like Sharpe and Nick Wright probably do get paid by LeBum's people to promote him
Shannon's argument, Lebron wins it's all because of Lebron, Lebron loses; it's not Lebron's fault.
that's because if lebron wins, it's more than likely that he'll be the best player in the series by far. Whereas if he loses he might have a great statline, but that won't be enough.
Aaron Castillo yh, Shannon speaking facts
When lebrons lose check his teams stats which he has no help so
Right on! Speaking out of both sides of his mouth
cause when they win, you'll check the stats, Lebron stands out of anybody that's why he gets praises... then when he lose he still gets pretty good stats, you never can blame a guy putting up big numbers in a loss, you'll look for the worst performance then blame it to them....
Why are finals appearances more important than championships?
koytoys They’re not. However, getting to the finals is better than getting dusted by the bad boy pistons or the Celtics. Jordan is currently the GOAT but let’s not pretend Finals appearances don’t mean anything. Let’s say Lebron leaves town and goes to Houston and wins 3. 6-6 is more impressive to me than 6-0, just because he got there.
It's because Sharpe is already annointing him GOAT. No need to explain, dude. It's just ridiculous, as of the moment, argument.
Jim Collins- having a winning record is better. Lebron even in his first stint in Cleveland had a better team than those 80's bulls. 6-0 and no game 7. Not getting swept or worst point lost differential is better than 6 wins and 6 losses. And staying on that team along with one all star is better than leaving multiple teams in your prime to team up with a couple prime all stars.
Jim Collins really? That's a horrible way of looking at things. If he was with the Cavs the entire time for that 6/6 record then I'd be impressed.
i dont think gsw cant get an elite center,, coz of salary cap,, durant and klay take less salary for team to remain intact .. so another elite player will be absurd.. green and durant and klay defend well..
If you think Lebron is the Greatest then you were born after Jordan retired. When Jordan played as a Bull he gave you Goosebumps.
Still does.
Elite Exposure naw he gave u goosebumps not everbody got a crush on mj like u do..
Elite Exposure u are a idiot. And u don’t know hoops
Same as lebron what are u talking about they had to get a superteam gsw with durant to beat him 9 finals for lebrin .jordan 6. Lebron has more points more rebounds moore assists more steals more blocks then jordan so u tell me who is the goat also bill russell have 10 chips so dont say championships jordan has then lebron cause jordan then wont be the goat cause bill russell have more plain and simple jordan made tge finals after 7 years and lebron made it in 4 years so the king is the goat ooh yeah and 13 consecutives playoffs appereance and jordan ? Exactly. Lebron has jordan all records smashed. Just titles is the only thing jordan have cause lebron has more mvps to halla and jordan with the wizzards 2 years aint make the playoofs so king james all day is the goat and those are facts
Facts...
Great argument on steph Curry... he’s beaten him more times.
I been saying that. Like how he's better than Steph whe Steph Curry has as many rings as liebron. Got then in less time than liebron. And beat liebron for all his championships..... BUT I KNOW WHAT THE BRONSEXUALS WILL SAY.. Triple DOUBLE. 8 straight finals. He needs more help. Sad and PATHETIC
@@MicMucique2 by your championship logic, bill Russell is better than michael jordan. Lebron is better than steph, every measure in the nba proves it. Also learn how to type correctly.
@@soabsss not at all. It's not just the rings. It's about the over all basketball player. Like didn't bill play when a league where it was like a hand full of teams. Not to discredit bill Russell. But be realistic. You start a team. Who u want. Bill or M.J. and liebron is just a stat padder. Not a winner
@@MicMucique2 you just contradicted yourself. Russell is the biggest winner of all so he must be the best by your logic. Oh wait hes not cause other factors go into it like your averages and performance. Lebron is better than steph and plays better in the finals. If you actually think steph is better please get some glasses and go to the doctor to fix your brain.
@@soabsss the level of competition was different. You can't name 5 allstars let alone hall of Famers that played with BILL RUSSELL WITHOUT GOING ON GOOGLE. And that is something we can't say about Jordan's class.
Not gonna lie that guy Rob Parker got a point. Even if his delivery doesn't hold that much punch dude got a point
David Dixon Indeed Shannon didn’t want to concede🤔
David Dixon What's Parker's point - that LeBron hasn't won enough championships to be considered the goat?
LeBron is not the GOAT because he can't even best his contemporaries like Steph, TD, Kobe in Finals wins.
Skip and Shannon are so inconsistent.. Shannon rips tom Brady for how easy his ride is the the bowl.. yet praised LeBron.. and vice versa for skip. 🙄
Shannon only comments on Brady cuz of how Skip acts about lebron he doesnt rip him for it he just uses it as a reason that lebron is still the goat
Well Brady still wins most of the time sooo
Rochambeau 21. Pointing out the irony here
Rochambeau 21 facts
Pretty sure 5-3 is better than 3-5!!!
Did anybody catch the fact that he basically just said the nba is rigged smh...🤦🏾♂️
IRONLUNGZ akaKUSH yes that’s another reason lebron be losing
DeMarcus Dates that's wrong 😂😂😂 the west already have great teams. They don't need the finals rigged for them. It's the east that struggles to compete with the talent if the West. Why you think they rigged that '12 finals with OKC vs Mia. The thunder was a better team and we're favored.
Harden got fouled on 3 3 point attempts, 1 of which he hit plus a foul.That's 3 points, plus 7 free throws taken away from Houston.Say he hit 5/7.5 plus 3 points, 8...Capela called for steps when it wasn't a travel.10 points total stolen from Houston.Capela called fora goaltend, when it was a clean block.Moving screen not called on Jordan Bell against Harden, when Steph hit a three.5 points gifted to the warriors.So, Rockets had 10 points taken away from them, and the Warriors 5 given...Golden State won by 9...
Jamal you tripping son. Go take your meds. No one with 2 or more brain cells was picking OKC over Miami. I bet you dont think its rigged when Lebron losses though.
Marko Todorović
It's funny how you only talk about the missed call on Houston side of the fence what about all the calls that they missed on the warrior side of the fence let's go ahead and add them up on both ends and you will see that the Rockets actually went to the free-throw line more than the Warriors did LOL!!
Kobe was the closet thing that I’ve ever seen to Jordan. Everyone else is fighting for 3rd place.
Sam Aboff big Fax. I hate how people just dismiss Kobe.
Kobe was the closest to killer instincts like Jordan. Lebron is a gazelle compared to Lions in MJ and Kobe.
My top 5 team would be :
Jordan
Kobe
Larry Bird
Wilt Chamberlain
Kareem Abdul Jabar
Kobe is almost equal to mj. I agree with u! But leflop? nahh, GOAT is just a product of his imagination. He cant face reality.
Bacteria Fastblade Kobe =‘s Mortal Jordan =‘s Godly
Nahhh yo cant, Not me WOW! Kobe is almost equal to MJ!? Never heard someone say something so delusional 😂 Kobe is not even in the top five. If you guys like skip bayless so much even he admits Kobe was like 7th all time. Lebron is number two whether you like it or not.
Someone tell Shanon Sharpe that Jordan never had another player on his team average more than 22 in a Finals series ever.
The referee’s can’t help the cavs 😂😂
Wc_ares Wc_ares only if he drives literally every time
They helped D.Wade in 06
bruh lets not tempt them.. they prolly was watching like ‘challenge accepted’.
What do you mean they can't help the Cavs? The refs control the game. If the refs wanted the Cavs to win, the Cavs would win.
Wc_ares Wc_ares 😂 that’s the only reason they beat Indiana
I dont understand why Lebron fans can't be happy with him being a great player and not the greatest player.
Rob exposed the truth about lebron it’s a fact
Rlly 😭😭
Lebron still isn’t the goat he ain’t even top 5 maybe he passes magic or bird if he wins this year again but he has yet to pass Kareem Kobe bird magic lebron regardless of politics is a big reason why the NBA has been on a decline look at the ratings Jordan made the NBA a global powerhouse and magic/bird saved the league lebron has been tearing this league down and off the court plays a factor into a goat especially in basketball does lebron have the impact AIR JORDANS have does lebron walk into a room and everyone recognizes a god no
And after all this nonsense talk by Shannon, Rob Parker was right and Cavs couldn't win 1 game, even when Shannon's GOAT dropped 51 points! Jordan didn't win every year he played, but when he got to the Finals he always brought the goods and didn't even allow the Finals to go to a game 7.
Because he never faced a team like the warriors.
@@JahleelX-xx9wd FACTS!!!
@@JahleelX-xx9wd LeBron never faced the powerhouses in the east back in the 90s. His trail to the finals have been so easy in the east and when they face a real talented team LeFlop shows his true colors.
@@KingLucky1211 I guess that's why he has three rings and a 73-9 team had to add the second best player in the world to beat him. Yeah that makes sense. First kd now cousins, five allstars in the starting lineup and I guess they just decided to have it just because not because of lebron. Makes sense.
@@JahleelX-xx9wd Bruh, LeBron had to leave his team to build a super team with two Superstars and an all star to get his first two, and even with that roster the man choked in two finals. Got outplayed by Jason Terry. Understand that Golden State came up from the bottom, nor Clay, or Steph even Draymond came into the NBA expecting to have what they have today. I give uu that KD joining the team was just Ludacris, but LeBron did the same years back. Just like he is getting ready to do again in LA attempting to get another top 5 player in the NBA to get a chip.
I’m only here for the Rob Parker comments.
He's an idiot
He obviously hadn’t seen lebron play basketball
He's speaking facts
Average Steve Omg there was a mouse in my attic. Don’t believe me watch my latest video.
Sitruc Yevrah indeed
Rob is right on this one.
Lebron GOAT over Jordan? Not even if he was born again.
*Simple* I see Rob Parker and go to the comment section 😂😂
I love LeBron but I'm tired of these excuses. You can't get to the Finals 9 times and only win 3 and be the best player EVER. That math don't work
Math can't explain the competition he faced. Outside 2011 he faced stronger teams. When MJ gets into the Finals he was always in the better team. When his team wasn't that good or he faced a tougher opponent, he didn't make it.
That lets us know that it isn't him, but his teammates helping him lose.
Ness Rosenbrad so when he loses, it’s his teammates. When he wins, it’s because of his greatness. Please help me understand how this makes sense
donaldthompsonjr whats worse losing in the ecf or finals, people make seem like its better to lose in the first, second round and ecf than the finals which makes more sense and kd is better than all competiton Michael played in the finals
Chi3f Matic is LeBron not better than KD?
Rob Parker dropped a bomb on Shannon. He doesn't have anything to go against what Rob said. You know Shannon has lost the debate when he starts bringing up years and stats 🤣🤣🤣
During Jordan's dynasty days. Nobody got a ring. Ewing, Hakeem, Barkley, Miller, GP, Nobody. But every superstar in the league has a ring during the Lebron era🤷🏾♂️. Durant, Kobe, Steph, Kawhi, Garnett, Dirk, Duncan, Wade.
😂😂😂😂 exactly exactly everybody has a ring in LeBron's time in the league😂😂😂😂
Wait i thought this was a team sport.
Hakeem got two rings during MJ’s year and a half retirement. MJ played half a year but got beat by Shaq’s Magic in the playoffs in ‘95 which Rockets sweeped 4-0 in the Finals.
Cause Lebron likes the give
Hakeem got 2 rings
LeBron will go down as the GOAT of losing more NBA Finals
Lol wow
Lol. Shannon gets so threatened by people in the studio that aren't named skip
I understand exactly what Rob Parker is saying, but Shannon is such a Lebron lover it's terrible.
With 6 losses (2 or 3 of them shouldn't have happened)... i would say he needs at the very least 2 more for it to even be worthy of a conversation... and if hes able to match it being 6-6 its more debatable for sure...
Only 2011 shouldn’t have happened
Losing against golden state with no kyrie or Kevin? Beating the spurs and golden state were tougher than any of Jordan’s finals
He's Not even close to magic or Kobe's 5 much less Jordan. It's dumb bqbyneonbeon need a binky was over hyped from the beginning it's sales and youngsters who've been programed and sold it. Lol. Btw DIRK !!!! End of discussion bawahahahaha
Lebron goat
@@mistaincredible2573 whatever helps you sleep at night is fine by me.
Did Rob Parker admit that the NBA Riggs some of the games ? 🤔
Mesfen yes, he did 👍caught it my very first watch
Shannon always talking bout the 80s jordan...yeah 80s jordan and 00s lebron had no help and we are not discussing those years in that goat conversation...once both had championship teams one went 6 for 6 and never went to a game 7 in an era where the most hall of famers came out of...and the other didnt show up in 2011 against a team that was even more of an underdog than this years cavs...and he didnt show up in 2014...I am giving lebron a lot of credit for what he did together with kyrie in 2016 but that is by far not enough to be the GOAT
King Ali i never thought of it like this you are right on the money with your comments
This was perfect yooo
Bro you were right untill you mentioned that 2011 mavs team was a bigger underdog then this years cavs , that heat team cannot compare to this warriors team and that mavs team is better as a whole compared to this cavs team
King Ali Bingo...this is what most people don't get. We are talking about once they had teams good (or decent) enough to make it to the Finals...what did they do? That's the question.
Yup he lost to Dirk and a Mavs team starting Deshawn Stevenson and a 38 year old Jason Kidd while on a manufactured superteam and being the de facto best player in the NBA.
2011 completely disqualified him for Jordan and GOAT comparisons.
Help me make this make sense
How does somebody who makes everybody better and turns water into wine, never have enough help ?
trevion sewell cuz hes not a got he makes players better not touch n they turn into allstars
LeBron has to end his career with 100% in the Finals to be known as above Michael Jordan
Millenials are clueless about basketball history🤔
Jam Rock and old heads like you are blinded by nostalgia
Matt Carter Yep youre right.... I missed real basketball, not this weak league with only two teams.
Jam Rock yeah the days where there was no real defense they just punched people in the face lol 😂
Ben Daulton people don't get that. The rules changes after 2004 were ALL made to favour the players to score more. Nobody wanted to watch Pistons vs Spurs 70-80 scoring game (except for myself lol) all over again.
I’m not clueless... all the teams Jordan played were trash
He needs a 5th title to still be lower than Kobe and Duncan
exactly my point also nate!!
thank you for being the only other person on here with some damn sense besides me bro!
SALUTE
I would easily take him over Kobe and Duncan. Neither one would have had a prayer of getting this Cavs team to the Finals.
Xavier Vega Kobe had worst teams
danny fonseca and he blew 3-1 leads in the first round with those worse teams
Only on UA-cam would a comment like this be validated by superficial 'likes'. LeBron has already surpassed both of those great players, & you'd need Christian-like blindness to not accept LeBron's place as at least the 2nd best of all time.
Why be a king (Lebron) when you can be a god (MJ)?
As a UK football (soccer) fan, I would absolutely love this type of format on our shows. US sports analysis is so dynamic and entertaining and the pundits are so honest with their opinions, I love it.
I wouldn't say their honest🤡🤡🤡
Thank you
In this super team era of basketball, one man (depending on the conference) can single handedly will his team to the finals. But one man cannot singled handedly beat a starting line up of All Stars. Rob Parker said, "everybody eats in the LeBron era" like LBJ can control where other free agents decide to play and team up with. Take out LeBron and insert any great player you like, included Michael Jordan, and this Cavs team might not even have made it to the ECF. One's Finals record can be indicative of personal greatness, but it is more so a testament of how great one's team is.
Ledush will NEVER be better than Jordan. Jordan never left his team hanging in search of a title with a better team!
MICHAEL JORDAN WOULD SLIT THIER THROATS
Even if he won 6 titles, he also LOST 6 ... therefore not a GOAT
You know LeBron has only ever been the favorite to win the championship once in his entire career right? Put Jordan on those 2007 or 2015 cavs team instead of LeBron and he'd lose too.
@@bamlakbekele6494 Jordan is better but your argument is not good i would rather be 6-12 than 6-0 that means he made it to the finals 12 time !!!
@@TheStuffle69 6-12 would mean he made 18 finals using your same 6-0 logic buddy. My point was holding finals losses against lebron was stupid, it was a sound argument.
@@TheStuffle69 who taught u math jr smith ?
@@genixter4972 because people count Jordan's 1st round loses as better than Lebron's loses in Finals !!
Best player in the world is the overwhelming underdog in every finals?
Doesn’t make sense
You sound stupid, anyone in the history of basketball would be underdogs on THAT Cavs team against THIS warriors team. The Cavs has no other star who can create their own shot, and get other teammates going. The GSW have 4 of the top 25 players in the game. 2 of em are the 2 of the top 3 players, KD is the 2nd behind Lebron and is the best scorer in the game and arguably ever, Steph is 3rd and is the greatest shooter ever. Klay who’s s top 3-5 SG in the game, he’s arguably the 2nd best shooter ever, and is the best 2 way SG in the game. Plus they have Draymond who is the most versatile forwards in the game and a former DPOY, who is a damn near walking triple double maybe even quadruple double
David Akerele they had kyrie and love is an all star
Very true
Best player worst team
@@davidakerele5745 It never mattered what roster was, if Jordan was playing, his team was never the underdogs.
Kyrie isn’t there to give lebron a ring
Neither are wade and bosh.
It’s time to admit lebron doesn’t need help... he needs someone to win the championship FOR him.
lol, is this a joke or sarcasm?
Wade did it without Lebron, with a overall balanced out team
OK so we gonna act like Jordan got all those rings without Pippen and Kobe didn't need Shaq...
Stop being a hater
That's fine...he doesn't need kyrie...he got AD now...what you gonna say bout that...plus AD gonna win us some chip and let my lebron get the credit and MVP on top of that...quit crying...bron is the best
Facts
folks really just throw out team championship records to compare individual player careers with absolutely NO context added for level of competition nor competence of teammates… and think they have a logical "point".
it's truly ludicrous.
Truth
ten laflare hi
hi there pretty eyes. Nice comment and on point! The level of competition is key when analyzing and debating individual stats in order to develop one's argument on "who's better than who".
rings are useful to compare the players that has similar stats. nothing wrong with that. lbj and mj has similar stats and they are all time greats. rings matter
Ömer Koşar rings are won depending on TEAMMATES production, coaching staff, player injures and degree of difficulty in competitors… NONE of which are under an individual player's control. it's so silly & illogical to conflate them otherwise.
Lechina will never pass Jordan. Never. That was not the biggest upset in sports history.
LeBron could never be the goat
Rob was right 🤷🏾♂️
Rob Parker is 100 percent right look at the 2000s best player was kobe shaq or Duncan had 4 and 5 rings, 90s best players was MJ with 6 rings , Hakeem number 2 and two rings, 80s best players where magic and bird 5 rings to 3 , 70s is tricky cause 7 different teams I won I believe and 60s only Russell and Wilt won , if LeBron is a dominant player and the goat how could he let someone in the same Era win more rings then him
jessie urena Huston got two after mj left that's y they won. Just make sure the kids kno that mj left the game ppl started winning
jessie urena wat u gon do wen lebron join a superteam to win more titles say it was a weak move
Justin Gonzalez
Lebron will probably never win a ring again.
The 76ers are not beating a fully healthy Celtics or Warriors and Rockets do not have the money to get Lebron.
It's over.
If you replaced James with MJ on any of his teams. MJ would have won more championships than James did. Enough said
Ok buddy thats why when mj retired the first time bulls still went 55-27 while the cavs are 19-63 without lebron😂😂😂
e @@saucegodsammy1668 did the Lakers make the playoffs last year?
rlozaa lozano Was lebron injured?
@@richdoescraft4599 So true
That’s just not true lmfaooooo
Face it lebron sucks not gonna catch Jordan much less Kobe
but but they say Kobe isn't in the discussion...
You disgust me. Stop disrespecting Lebron. Even Jordan loves Lebron.
@@bobjeff6899 get of the drugs ...its bad 4 u!
Now you're just high bringing in Kobe
He can't be in the conversation
Kareem Jordan and Lebron is.
@Chris King So his other stats don't matter?
Him being able to get there 9 times means he gets penalized for that?
Huge majority of the community agrees that Bron is 2nd in all-time rankings.
So you're either high or just stupid
rob parker sounds just like MARK RUFFALO AKA BRUCE BANNER AKA HULK
Abdul Basit Shaikh oh my goodness I can't not hear it now
MJ is the GOAT.
Dubz White no
Dubz White he’s top 5 not even top 10 in my opinion
SupremeZX -KING im just trolling chill
Jim Kelly is the second greatest qb according to Shannons way of thinking
@Colonel Gibbs bro stop it. Tom Brady is damn near universally recognized as the goat yet Drew Brees numbers are better than Tom Brady's across-the-board! Do you know why? Cuz Tom Brady wins when it counts
Jim Kelly never won MVP's. No pressure coming into the league: Jordan and Brady. Not #1's. Pressure is on #1 players. LeBron came in from HS and led all his teams to 10 Finals. At 22 years old had the league team up against him. Then again in 2017 had it done again. Damn they protect Jordan. They did it against Kobe when CP3 was trying to get there and Kobe had 5. Then with LeBron, letting KD go to a team that won 73 games with the reigning Unanimous MVP. They would not allow LeBron to face a SUPER TEAM again, so They made a SUPER DUPER TEAM. That right there should tell any idiot on the walls who the greatest player is. FACTS!
SWEPT. #3-6
4 and 6
Imma come back when he 5-6
@@joshuapatterson4084 10 finals appearances with 6 losses is fine, but it is in no way a record that is up for a GOAT debate. Lebronsexuals gloss over his meltdowns and his obsession with leaving teams to build super teams like they never happened.
Shannon will push this GOAT because of the show. But we all know that Jordan is the GOAT. No more debates. LeBron is the best player of his era.
Allan Dave Perez Kareem, Magic, Bird > Jordan
Lebron fans are hypocrites. When Jordan was losing in the first round it was against teams where he was clearly overmatched but they are still brought up against his legacy but when Lebron plays against teams like that the excuse is he is playing against better teams so he gets a pass. What!???
John Adkis bottom line is jordan had it easy once the legends got old he won
Also we started saying that in rebuttal to Mj stand allowing no context in lbj losses
John Adkis
FACTS!!!!!!
Nikki Sandz yes and he played during expansion
Borsalino Kizaru thats who they traded for tho wtf people say thats who lebron wanted either he wanted them or he didn't thats what they got when they got wade and rose it and crowder supposedly they were the truth they emptied and got what they got and its still a issue smh ya trippin' any excuse you can make for the " greatest player" why is there no excuse for any other team the way you guys do for the cavs not even the cavs for LeBron
The Jordan Era was not when he entered the league. It was the 1990's. 1990-1999 The Piston's were the only team to eat during the Jordan era.
LeBron is LeBron and Jordan is Jordan. They're both GOATs and good players in their own eras. Damn stop comparing greatness to greatness
TheChronicDocumentary DreGame I don’t think you know what Goat stands for.
StevenN I dont think you understand, there is no GOAT. How many would pick MJ in 1v1 game vs Bill, Kareem or Wilt? Its a stupid debate, there is no GOAT. you can only be the GOAT in your era, you cant go back in time or forward in time to prove MJ is better than Wilt or vice versa.
GOAT debate is pure stupidity.. just Like MJ has 6 so hes the goat.. but Bill has 11 and MJ is better.. Doesnt make sense youy see?
Young Buck Goat isn’t 1v1. Wtf.
1.MJ
2.Kobe
3.LeBron
4.Magic
5.Bird
6.Kareem
This whole debate is disrespectful to Kobe. Did yall actuallu forget about KOBE!!!
Roshawn Grimes kobe isnt top 5. Get out of here.
yes he is forgotten.
Hugh Mungus your opinion
he had shaq thats why and phil
XquisiteGDR Jordan had Pippen and Phil 👀
Shannon desperately trying to find info that supports his argument for Lebron being the best.
How are you now?
@@angelolagman4573 I'm doing good. You?
@@cryptidian3530 excellent now that GOAT James has 4 rings. Wdym desperate? Like i said how r u now
@@angelolagman4573 how are you now? Now that lechina James has excuses again to try and be top heavy 🥱
@@jlnxn5374 im good! Kevin durant didn't prove he's the best player so it's still LeBron so im good. 4 rings!!! 🕺🕺🕺
6-0 is better than 3-6 or 4-5.
11-1 is better than 6-0
Vaital V 6 FMVPs >>> 3 FMVPs
Vaital V 6-0 on a 30 team league is better than 11-1 on an 8 team league.
Mark James.....Preach it bruh!
Oh oh, when a record better than 6-0 comes up all of a sudden they start evaluating the competition.
But when they say 3-5 they don't mention the competition.
LeBron is great, just not the greatest.
Don’t act like 2007 didn’t happen LeShannon
What do you mean he shouldnt have even made the finals that year team was insanely trash he willed them there as an extremely young player thays not a black mark that was a bittersweet achievement
At 22 yrs old in the finals
Corey Reeves another lebron excuse lol
Frank Garcia u are a idiot. Clearly.
@@coreyreeves3841 Shot below 40% from the field and played well below even the standards he set for himself up to that point. Let's not act like he was averaging a 30 pt triple double on that efficiency like he did in 2015 too.
I don't like Rob Parker or Skip but their dialogue with Shannon is great different point of views gain interest.