I know right! Compare to nexus of fate. They tried to fix it by making it sorcery and making it self exile. Both good steps. Buuuuut, they gave it foretell to hide it from hand hate and stapled on token creation. The tokens make it a win condition in its own right instead of an enabler for some other wincon. Wouldn't be upset to see it eat a ban. Not sure it warps the format enough to get banned though (remember how long nexus was legal).
Because they know people will shell out lots of cash so they can get their 4 copies right away. Wizards aren't trying for balanced gameplay, they're trying to make money.
I wish the Toski deck got to play more cards, because I think I know what they were going for. Fynn w/very few deathtouch creatures implies, to me, that they're running Saryth, the Viper's Fang. Everything has deathtouch when sideways. And the black mana makes me think they played Skeletal Swarming. It's actually a cool combo. Green Control deck!!
If you can keep lot of bodies on the field then chapter 3 of Binding of Old Gods is a fun turn where you drop a Fynn and your opponent has a problem to solve. I used to run a deck like this with Whisper Squad and Scute Swarm pre rotation that was really fun.
1 blue cost bounce gg, you might need to look at the deck a bit more to beat it, I will suggest only checking blue counters only as everything else can't.
I run Burn Down the House in my version of the deck instead and it is an absolute house. Hits both creatures and planeswalkers and in a pinch copying it to make 6 devils with Haste has won me a few games.
@@elcapitanofthemtn But what if the token is 6 toughness? Plus we comparing a 1 mana cost that removes the token over your 5 mana cost that could fail if the token is 6 or higher toughness. No comparison man fading hope is a way better card if we put it vs the wrenn token.
I didn't play ranked at all last season and got demoted to bronze. I figured I'd give ranked a go again and least try to get to platinum. I played against this deck in bronze 3. It was not very encouraging.
But it says cast and on the stack it has a mana value of 7. Flashback is an alternative cost so how is it not 7 on the stack? Ruling for Memory Deluge 9/24/2021: "To determine the total cost of a spell, start with the mana cost or alternative cost (such as a flashback cost) you’re paying, add any cost increases, then apply any cost reductions. The mana value of the spell is determined only by its mana cost, no matter what the total cost to cast the spell was."
The valor counter from the Intrepid Adversary gave the team a +1/+1 buff. When it dies, the field gets shrinked by +1/+1, so the aspirant dies even though it looks like it has 1hp
I just played versus a white/green lifegain deck. I manage to kill them from 36 to 0 in 6 turns. BTW my opponent wasnt playing during those 6 turns lol Freaking 10 birds on the field!
Huh, interesting. I didn't know that. Kinda makes sense though, flashback is an abillity you pay for to throw the spell from the graveyard on the stack i guess. Its even more confusing with Deluge though, since it cares about the mana spend of the spell. Does that also mean you can't disdainful stroke a flashback sacred fire for example? I'd think so.
@@gregorybarnard5593 No that was a different situation. This is about the third part of Battle of Frost and Fire which triggers when you cast a spell with mana value 5 or greater.
Thank you for making a video on this deck. This deck has annoyed me on the ladder with the multiple turns but I think it's valuable for you to be highlighting the deck at this moment in time so best of one players are aware of this deck being on the rise.
I played a version of this deck that added white with sunset, doomskar and faithful mending. The faithful mending life gain and sunset gave them so much life I couldn't stop the eventual double Epiphany then double epiphany combo...
the funny thing is that despite 3 incredibly strong extra turn strategies since Arena came out (Nexus, Historic Creativity with Time Warp, Epiphany) for the majority of the entire history of the game there haven't actually been very many such decks lmao
Hey bro I haven’t been playing magic that long but you said you could exile toski but that doesn’t stop indestructible but it’s the only thing that does unless I heard you wrong??
This is simply great, ppl should hate epiphany its awesome and awful the same great video! And btw your content is so valueable its alwasy great and a help to see u play
I think the black green guy with fynn and toski was running saryth and skeletal swarming to combine deathtouch and the trample on the skeletons. Fynn makes it a swarm of poison counters and toski draws a bunch of cards. I can respect that.
Ehi cgb, i was the one of the dimir sacrifice zombie 😅 Well first of all I struggled since the beginning, and then I laughed so hard when I tried to save champion animating land + vicious rite it, but i was short on mana :')
I can personally say the izzet epiphany video you released is the only deck I crafted that you’ve made since midnight Hunt released (not that I didn’t want to craft more I just don’t have the wildcards) and I love playing the deck. It’s done very well for me other than this morning I lost 5 games in a row with it which is probably more losses than I have had total since I’ve been playing it. Prior to today it’s had somewhere around a 80% win rate for me in ranked standard.
24:38 no CGB. Increasing the cost of a spell does not increase its CMC. It’s still a 4 CMC spell. Doesn’t matter if it’s taxed with a paladin class or the like, or if it’s an X that you choose to put extra into, the cost on the top of the card is it’s cost as far as interaction is concerned.
Its becoming more common, the izzet epiphany decks I've played on ladder lately already run that combo. Azorius control can win against them, but its hard, you can't miss land drops and need to stack counters for the inevitable moment they try to go off.
@@Caperon81 I went 5-1 with this deck today, beated UW control because on turn 4 I test of talents his memory deluge and got to draw more cards than my opponent and prepared well enough to resolve 1 copied epiphany and using Hall to kill
@@davidds445 Yes, I'd say that while Azorius is one of the decks best equipped to deal with izzet extra turns, need to be played very well and have a little luck to get the land drops.
The way I see things, this is a two deck format right now green runs you over or your to slow and izzet takes all the turns. So in mono green are you really adding in blue just to counter this epiphany card? Exactly. Now the question is can green still kill them before they get to skip your turns with like infinite removal post board? Find out on the next episode of……..WORLDS!!!!
If you need sweepers, you have black, white and red to choose from. To answer Epiphany you must play exactly blue. Can't even Duress it because Foretell.
@@busTedOaS Duress seems good tho, ofcourse they can foretell it early but if you apply abit of pressure he cant really afford to do that. Duress, counters and indestructable seem the only way.
@@FuckoffgoogleGetDoxxed Well that's the thing. You need the early pressure but putting Duress in your deck makes it slower. I don't see any deck that would play Duress and also punish them enough for paying the two mana to foretell. The treasure package early game definitely doesn't cut it.
@@busTedOaS Duress is just one mana tho, you dont play it turn 1. Aim for turn 4. Play weenies early game make them deal with them. Then boom duress. If you are unlucky you wont ever be able to beat this deck anyway. If it has the perfect hand and turns its basicly fucked anyway. Atleast thats how it feels like. But yea deff hard to combat. Ive actually won alot against this deck with mardu but it feels like my opponents werent as skilled as cgb or had bad sequencing and starting hands. Punishing their graveyard and having indestructable against their giant sweep saved me a bunch of times. But yea deff number 1 deck out there.
Quick question, if an opponent uses test of talent on one of your spell but you got other copies of that spell fortold, those copies won’t get exiled right ?
Technically, fortold already put the spells in exile, the difference is that you can play them from there. So no, test of talent won't interact with them
@@busTedOaS definitely don't need too many copies, but being able to take an epiphany turn 1 is pretty nice. As for flashback, the aren't too many cards with flashback seeing play at the moment and if they are, that usually means there will be other non creature spells that are more worthwhile to take
@@RandomPerson-mv8bn Well Deluge is kind of everywhere, and Galvanic Iteration is part of the combo. I found most of the time Duress buys you a few turns, but you still gotta be the beatdown and Duress puts you behind on tempo by design. I've been trying Check for Traps and it's been a bit better overall. Still misses the Epiphany.
I did beat this deck earlier today with a Gruul werewolf deck. He used all four Epiphanys. (Drew them) cause the shuffler is awesome. I killed all the birds with shatterskulls. I had gained over 40 life throughout the course of the game and he just kept hanging on. Finally got him with direct damage. It was the only way. Creatures couldn't get in. Timing and luck was a big factor.
First try i get a reminder why I love this kind of decks. Openent playing storm the festival got a letal attack with his 2nd epiphany. And hits me with the GG. Then I bounce 2 tokens and survive with 1 life. Stablise and take 3 extra turns for the W.
Literally paused to answer your question of a 5 toughness creature that you see all the time: Iymrith. Anything pumped by Luminarch Asspirate. An out of hand Monk of Open Fist. A first turn Wrenn Token. But I get your point. Battle of Frost and Fire was the first change I made when I saw your last list
Hi mate. So, this deck is a very dificult one to play agains. Maybe you could bring us an esper control based on nulifying the izzet/jeskai/grixis turns?
No. The token/aura officially have a CMC of 0. Divide By Zero can only bounce 1 CMC or greater. No bounce spell can bounce a land. Fading Hope specifically States "Creature", so it can bounce creature lands after they're activated and able to be declared attackers.
I'd say Burn Down the House is a better fit than Battle of Frost and Fire 5 damage can really make a difference with Treefolk tokens, and it has the potential upside of creating the Devils. You miss on the Scry, but I'd still say is worth it given there aren't any giants in the deck, and that, in a really big board, you COULD copy the spell and deal 10 tl everything.
With Burn you also miss on the divide by zero picking up the battle so you can sweep a second time and the extra card draw from casting epiphany on stage 3.
I really like the jeskai tokens version of this deck. Where you use burn down the house and stuff to have a bunch of tokens and life gain in the early game.
You mentioned that people didn't watch your last izzet video, and I thought I'd mention why sometimes I don't watch videos all the way through. Generally, I don't always watch combo videos or aggro videos all the way through because after the first couple games I know how it's going to work (although i do skim to see if there are specific matchups that are useful to know). For instance, mono white aggro's biggest decision often seems to be whether or not to hold a creature in hand in case of a board wipe. My favorite videos are the control ones, where as a viewer I'm unsure if you will succeed. Close games with lots of decision making and commentary are the most entertaining, but I also understand that they can be the most frustrating and fatiguing, and combo videos and aggro videos are still very informative and entertaining just because you're the one piloting them. That all being said, this deck's combo happens on turn 8 without ramp, so there's plenty of suspense about if you will succeed against the ancestral foe (aggro).
Why do you not run lier in the izzet turns? since you have a control shell, couldn't you double turn, then spend a turn liering, then you have all your alrunds again!
For discard to combat this, relying on 'Go Blank' to wipe out the graveyard would definitely be a great help. Otherwise, playing around with hexproof to combat bounce and giant/changelings for against the board wipe may be a decent counter strategy. Then again, even with a deck designed to counter, it may still only win 50%.
The ones that I've been playing today have all had the Goldspan in it, and I went against it four times and just kept getting slaughtered. One guy had six. SIX. turns in a row.
It shouldve been banned a long time ago. 6 or 7 mana for an extra turn and 2 fliers to boot? I play it all the time and win with it all the time. Playing against it sucks. The game is usually over at that point and the opponent doesn't get a response most of the time. I feel bad when I do play it.
Seriously, Alrund's needs a ban asap, it completely warps the format around it. Maybe Wizards will someday learn extra turns is a terrible mechanic in a turn based game.
Seems odd, based on the wording of AE, that you get several turns in a row when copying it multiple times in the space of one turn. It doesn't merely say "take an extra turn." it specifies "after this one". It hasn't said anything about what happens after your next turn, only about what happens after this one. So why do these copies of AE behave as if they have been cast on a turn other than the one they have been cast on?
It's just how the rules of the game work.... 500.7. Some effects can give a player extra turns. They do this by adding the turns directly after the specified turn. If a player is given multiple extra turns, the extra turns are added one at a time. If multiple players are given extra turns, the extra turns are added one at a time, in APNAP order (see rule 101.4). The most recently created turn will be taken first.
i just picked up the game after 20 years without playing it, and facing this kind of deck kinda feel u aren't even playing the same game XD it is frustrating as hell. i'm in the process of collecting cards in order to actually try to find my way through this madness XD .. everytime i see a blue land falling on the board i'm sad now XD and even if sometime by some miracle i manage to beat it , i had some surprise where idroped from 20 to 0 hp in a "single" turn lol .. mtga is..magic i guess : p
Low level ladder has not committed to this yet, but I still added 3 duress to my mono black anyways. It’s good against almost everything except mono white, which 7 sweepers deal with nicely.
You could try Check for Traps, hits creatures and exiles. However in my experience they just foretell the Epiphany and you can't touch it anyway. Duress is a bit more likely to hit before that but then they just draw another one end of turn with Memory Deluge. It's a nightmare for anything without counterspells.
To answer part one, because Galvanic Iteration can be cast again for its flashback cost. To answer part two, because it's the extra turns that are (always) the problem. Hence the Nexus of Fate and Time Warp bans in historic.
@@FatboyGengiz I guess my biggest inquiry is why Alrund's Epiphany wasn't as big of an issue before Galvanic Iteration, when Teach By Example was a thing. So that leads me to wonder again: why not ban Galvanic instead of Alrund's, as Alrund's wasn't a big issue beforehand? I'm not too knowledgeable on this. Please guide my thought
I'm surprised that the win rate isn't higher! To be perfectly honest, when I come up against this deck as soon as they play the epiphany, I quit. I've always hated playing against blue control, and this deck just sucks the fun out of the game for me.
Yup. I hate this card. I refuse to burn wildcards on it or even play it. Not only will I quit if its played, I will make the opponent wait out the win and just AFK for 5 mins.
Loving this deck, more than the Azorius control with Lier. This one is plenty of control but Lier just feels too "fiddly" trying to fish through the graveyard. Haven't played a lot, but 2-0 against mono-green (that's all I got matched with). Feels good clearing the board with only 6 health left then starting to unload galvanic and birds.
@@FR0STBL0D Certainly agree, the lier stuff is so powerful that it should be "fiddly" to use it. galvanic and epiphany OTOH are incredibly easy to use (just keep some extra mana to stop the counters that are likely to come from a blue deck and good to go). It may be worth a ban, but in the meantime its fun to play.
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A deck so good that goldspan dragon doesn't make the cut
Well that's just not what you're trying to do with this style of deck
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@@jackhazen3311 woosh
People are playing to counter Goldspan so hard he is honestly more of a liability at this point.
@@jackhazen3311 wooooosh
Kinda crazy how Extra turn cards keep being a problem and Wizards keep printing them over and over.
They thought adding free flyers to it would nerf the power level, obviously.
I know right!
Compare to nexus of fate. They tried to fix it by making it sorcery and making it self exile. Both good steps. Buuuuut, they gave it foretell to hide it from hand hate and stapled on token creation. The tokens make it a win condition in its own right instead of an enabler for some other wincon. Wouldn't be upset to see it eat a ban. Not sure it warps the format enough to get banned though (remember how long nexus was legal).
P.S: Mono green stops this but all the decks that eat mono G are clowned by izzet turns.
Because they know people will shell out lots of cash so they can get their 4 copies right away. Wizards aren't trying for balanced gameplay, they're trying to make money.
well they all come with "Print another extra turn card after this one." so it makes sense
The worst part is all of the opponents that had decks capable of winning, didn't get any mana
I wish the Toski deck got to play more cards, because I think I know what they were going for. Fynn w/very few deathtouch creatures implies, to me, that they're running Saryth, the Viper's Fang. Everything has deathtouch when sideways. And the black mana makes me think they played Skeletal Swarming. It's actually a cool combo. Green Control deck!!
If you can keep lot of bodies on the field then chapter 3 of Binding of Old Gods is a fun turn where you drop a Fynn and your opponent has a problem to solve. I used to run a deck like this with Whisper Squad and Scute Swarm pre rotation that was really fun.
I always wanted a Vorinclex on the field alongside Fynn to double the poison, but it's hard to keep 2 "Kill On Sights" down at the same time
i think there should be more wardy cheap creature that can keep up with cheap board removal
I saw this today too, interesting idea.
Battle of Frost and Fire seems like it will have issues with Wrenn Treefolk on turn 5.
came here to say exactly this
Fading Hope can take care of em at least and if you don't get em before turn 6 no burn spell is going to take care of em.
1 blue cost bounce gg, you might need to look at the deck a bit more to beat it, I will suggest only checking blue counters only as everything else can't.
I run Burn Down the House in my version of the deck instead and it is an absolute house. Hits both creatures and planeswalkers and in a pinch copying it to make 6 devils with Haste has won me a few games.
@@elcapitanofthemtn But what if the token is 6 toughness? Plus we comparing a 1 mana cost that removes the token over your 5 mana cost that could fail if the token is 6 or higher toughness. No comparison man fading hope is a way better card if we put it vs the wrenn token.
I didn't play ranked at all last season and got demoted to bronze. I figured I'd give ranked a go again and least try to get to platinum. I played against this deck in bronze 3. It was not very encouraging.
24:30 Battle of frost and fire only works with mana value 5 or greater, memory deluge is mana value 4 even in the graveyard.
But it says cast and on the stack it has a mana value of 7. Flashback is an alternative cost so how is it not 7 on the stack? Ruling for Memory Deluge 9/24/2021: "To determine the total cost of a spell, start with the mana cost or alternative cost (such as a flashback cost) you’re paying, add any cost increases, then apply any cost reductions. The mana value of the spell is determined only by its mana cost, no matter what the total cost to cast the spell was."
@@DracaNova JUDGE!!!! :D
@@DracaNova "The mana value of the spell is determined only by its mana cost, no matter what the total cost to cast the spell was." Thats why its 4
@@paulocarvalho111 exactly :)
Test of talents on their first deluge pulls the scoop every time.
yeah did it multiple time, also did it on their iteration and alrund, insta scoop lmao
Not really a useful answer for the vast majority of the field however.
We need more test of talent insta scoops.
Sad when to win vs this deck you have to play some kind of blue, outside of playing blue with sideboard counter this deck is 100% wins.
@@styfen I've noticed this and it's why I'm trying some variation of black red and blue.
LOL “Here come the birds, …there goes the opponent.” -CGB
opponent noped out of there fast
@19:45 I found that Galvanic Iteration + Deluge is a nombo myself several times as well. It seems so good on paper.
How does the 2nd Luminarch Aspirant die at 21:00?
cause of Intrepid Adversary dieing. Cause he is at 3. Get 2 more damage and then loses the 1+1 of Intrepid Adversary
Wipe killed the adversary buffing the squad so his toughness dropped low enough
The valor counter from the Intrepid Adversary gave the team a +1/+1 buff. When it dies, the field gets shrinked by +1/+1, so the aspirant dies even though it looks like it has 1hp
Intrepid Adversary dying
I just played versus a white/green lifegain deck. I manage to kill them from 36 to 0 in 6 turns. BTW my opponent wasnt playing during those 6 turns lol
Freaking 10 birds on the field!
I bet you roped those 6 turns
I had a similar experience except from about 40 to -11.
The One-LandTroll fought with honor.
Tenacious D!! I love all these recent decks and the long format videos. Keep em coming!
4:32 what is that boomer reference? i usually get all the oldschool paper magic references but not this one, someone care to explain?
Came to ask exactly about ban list, and you adressed that in the start of the video. Great content as always, my man!
Just tried it out. In a gold ranked match. Took 8 turns in a row.
25:00, flashback doesn't change CMC. Memory Deluge still has a CMC of 4 when you flash it back, so no trigger.
Huh, interesting. I didn't know that. Kinda makes sense though, flashback is an abillity you pay for to throw the spell from the graveyard on the stack i guess. Its even more confusing with Deluge though, since it cares about the mana spend of the spell.
Does that also mean you can't disdainful stroke a flashback sacred fire for example? I'd think so.
That's not why it didn't trigger. It didn't trigger because it was a copy and the copy has a 0 cmc
@@gregorybarnard5593 No that was a different situation. This is about the third part of Battle of Frost and Fire which triggers when you cast a spell with mana value 5 or greater.
@@zaifir8119 you're right, I was thinking of the other situation
I faced what I am sure is almost if not this exact deck. Having two Test of Talents saved me big time.
your url doesn't link the decklist. :(
Thank you for making a video on this deck. This deck has annoyed me on the ladder with the multiple turns but I think it's valuable for you to be highlighting the deck at this moment in time so best of one players are aware of this deck being on the rise.
Why did the Luminarch-4/4 at 20:58 die when it was on 1 toughness after the Cinderclasm?
@@salimrajwani9753 - Oh I see! ty for that
Thank you for doing this. Very good information
I played a version of this deck that added white with sunset, doomskar and faithful mending. The faithful mending life gain and sunset gave them so much life I couldn't stop the eventual double Epiphany then double epiphany combo...
21:07 why does the 4/1 luminarch die? Lol
Intrepid Adversary died and luminarch lost bonus +1/+1
Who knew adding turns breaks magic, I mean they never had Nexus of fate.
the funny thing is that despite 3 incredibly strong extra turn strategies since Arena came out (Nexus, Historic Creativity with Time Warp, Epiphany) for the majority of the entire history of the game there haven't actually been very many such decks lmao
nexus is only ban in BO1 because of people that abuse it by looping it endless without winning, still legal in BO3 until it rotated out i believe.
21:29 Wouldn’t it be the stick or the cookie??? Hahaha.
Hey bro I haven’t been playing magic that long but you said you could exile toski but that doesn’t stop indestructible but it’s the only thing that does unless I heard you wrong??
21:20 what an American moment
Maybe a 1 of Moraug to play on first extra turn to close it out faster?
It's 20 damage 8 on the first swing and 12 on the second.
This is simply great, ppl should hate epiphany its awesome and awful the same great video! And btw your content is so valueable its alwasy great and a help to see u play
I think the black green guy with fynn and toski was running saryth and skeletal swarming to combine deathtouch and the trample on the skeletons. Fynn makes it a swarm of poison counters and toski draws a bunch of cards. I can respect that.
Ehi cgb, i was the one of the dimir sacrifice zombie 😅
Well first of all I struggled since the beginning, and then I laughed so hard when I tried to save champion animating land + vicious rite it, but i was short on mana :')
Hey CGB what if you combined two of your best decks in recent memory to make esper lier?
So... the Divide by 0 a flashback spell in the stack trick doesnt work anymore?
It still does.
@@ixchel3330 Man earlier it didn't work for me, but later it worked.
Flashbacked Deluge didn't trigger Battle of Frost and Fire because it's cmc is still 4, the flashback cost is 7.
I can personally say the izzet epiphany video you released is the only deck I crafted that you’ve made since midnight Hunt released (not that I didn’t want to craft more I just don’t have the wildcards) and I love playing the deck. It’s done very well for me other than this morning I lost 5 games in a row with it which is probably more losses than I have had total since I’ve been playing it. Prior to today it’s had somewhere around a 80% win rate for me in ranked standard.
any opposing strategies you are afraid of? aggro? counterspells? all my decks seem stone cold against this...
@@busTedOaS aggro definitely. If they kill before like turn 5 there’s nothing I can do about it. Werewolves in particular seems good against it
Iymrith is the only 5/5 creature I can think that might see competitive play.
What's the sideboard sensei CGB?
24:38 no CGB. Increasing the cost of a spell does not increase its CMC. It’s still a 4 CMC spell. Doesn’t matter if it’s taxed with a paladin class or the like, or if it’s an X that you choose to put extra into, the cost on the top of the card is it’s cost as far as interaction is concerned.
Interesting that Sonio did something similar for his video today. Iteration plus Epiphany can be pretty sick.
SCG has been banging this drum for a while; Crokeyz had been working on a Grixis version. It's kind of a big deal
Its becoming more common, the izzet epiphany decks I've played on ladder lately already run that combo. Azorius control can win against them, but its hard, you can't miss land drops and need to stack counters for the inevitable moment they try to go off.
@@Caperon81 I went 5-1 with this deck today, beated UW control because on turn 4 I test of talents his memory deluge and got to draw more cards than my opponent and prepared well enough to resolve 1 copied epiphany and using Hall to kill
@@davidds445 Yes, I'd say that while Azorius is one of the decks best equipped to deal with izzet extra turns, need to be played very well and have a little luck to get the land drops.
So October 30th you are playing a green white deck right?...
The way I see things, this is a two deck format right now green runs you over or your to slow and izzet takes all the turns. So in mono green are you really adding in blue just to counter this epiphany card? Exactly. Now the question is can green still kill them before they get to skip your turns with like infinite removal post board? Find out on the next episode of……..WORLDS!!!!
If you need sweepers, you have black, white and red to choose from. To answer Epiphany you must play exactly blue. Can't even Duress it because Foretell.
You can run wandering archaic in sideboard with mono green, it can be really annoying
@@busTedOaS Duress seems good tho, ofcourse they can foretell it early but if you apply abit of pressure he cant really afford to do that. Duress, counters and indestructable seem the only way.
@@FuckoffgoogleGetDoxxed Well that's the thing. You need the early pressure but putting Duress in your deck makes it slower. I don't see any deck that would play Duress and also punish them enough for paying the two mana to foretell. The treasure package early game definitely doesn't cut it.
@@busTedOaS Duress is just one mana tho, you dont play it turn 1. Aim for turn 4. Play weenies early game make them deal with them. Then boom duress. If you are unlucky you wont ever be able to beat this deck anyway. If it has the perfect hand and turns its basicly fucked anyway. Atleast thats how it feels like. But yea deff hard to combat. Ive actually won alot against this deck with mardu but it feels like my opponents werent as skilled as cgb or had bad sequencing and starting hands. Punishing their graveyard and having indestructable against their giant sweep saved me a bunch of times. But yea deff number 1 deck out there.
Quick question, if an opponent uses test of talent on one of your spell but you got other copies of that spell fortold, those copies won’t get exiled right ?
Technically, fortold already put the spells in exile, the difference is that you can play them from there. So no, test of talent won't interact with them
I splash blue and run two test of talents to every deck now. That only helps when they don't have counters for my one or maybe two tests.
Duress is also great at the moment, 90% of the time it hits something because almost every deck is playing some sort of non creature spell
@@RandomPerson-mv8bn yeah, I've been seeing that a lot lately.
@@RandomPerson-mv8bn Duress does hit a lot, but it's very bad against Foretell specifically, and mediocre against Flashback.
@@busTedOaS definitely don't need too many copies, but being able to take an epiphany turn 1 is pretty nice. As for flashback, the aren't too many cards with flashback seeing play at the moment and if they are, that usually means there will be other non creature spells that are more worthwhile to take
@@RandomPerson-mv8bn Well Deluge is kind of everywhere, and Galvanic Iteration is part of the combo. I found most of the time Duress buys you a few turns, but you still gotta be the beatdown and Duress puts you behind on tempo by design. I've been trying Check for Traps and it's been a bit better overall. Still misses the Epiphany.
I did beat this deck earlier today with a Gruul werewolf deck. He used all four Epiphanys. (Drew them) cause the shuffler is awesome. I killed all the birds with shatterskulls. I had gained over 40 life throughout the course of the game and he just kept hanging on. Finally got him with direct damage. It was the only way. Creatures couldn't get in. Timing and luck was a big factor.
I like how this deck is almost "shuffler is fine"-proof with the amount of seeing the library and scry effect.
We really need more free scry effects for this reason. Also, been saying this for years but going 2nd should allow 1 free mulligan.
First try i get a reminder why I love this kind of decks.
Openent playing storm the festival got a letal attack with his 2nd epiphany. And hits me with the GG.
Then I bounce 2 tokens and survive with
1 life. Stablise and take 3 extra turns for the W.
I would have loved to see a game against a Wrenn deck, are the bounces enough since you can't really sweep even small treefolks?
They typically just bounce the treefolk out of existence
Literally paused to answer your question of a 5 toughness creature that you see all the time: Iymrith. Anything pumped by Luminarch Asspirate. An out of hand Monk of Open Fist. A first turn Wrenn Token.
But I get your point. Battle of Frost and Fire was the first change I made when I saw your last list
Thanks for putting me on this I love it
Hi mate. So, this deck is a very dificult one to play agains. Maybe you could bring us an esper control based on nulifying the izzet/jeskai/grixis turns?
Question....Can Old Bridge Troll be Divided By Zero in it's "Land Aura" state?
No. The token/aura officially have a CMC of 0. Divide By Zero can only bounce 1 CMC or greater. No bounce spell can bounce a land. Fading Hope specifically States "Creature", so it can bounce creature lands after they're activated and able to be declared attackers.
Here come the birds....and there goes the opponent...best comment for CGB
I swear this video just made it so more people are playing it and it's killing me.
Can you do rakdos?
When this happened to me all I could do is sit admire and chuckle at the ridiculousness of this combo 😂
Ah yes. Haha, so funny, so admirable. Are you still laughing about it now that is happened to you like 20 times?
I've got your previous izzet turns deck, and work great for me. Gonna check new version a well
Just here for the ostrich recipes! Flame broiled? Charcoaled? Toasted? Nope, I prefer my ostrich to give up all hope first!
I'd say Burn Down the House is a better fit than Battle of Frost and Fire
5 damage can really make a difference with Treefolk tokens, and it has the potential upside of creating the Devils.
You miss on the Scry, but I'd still say is worth it given there aren't any giants in the deck, and that, in a really big board, you COULD copy the spell and deal 10 tl everything.
With Burn you also miss on the divide by zero picking up the battle so you can sweep a second time and the extra card draw from casting epiphany on stage 3.
Or copy it for +3 hasters on your Epiphany turn, or even more if you Cinderclasm it.
@@adarian That is true, i forgot about Divide
Still, it could be worth the try
You mean can I think of a 5 power creature OTHER than Wrenn's Treefolk, right?
he says "just in case we draw the snarl" AND THEN HE DRAWS THE SNARL
I've been on this since you played a version of it a few weeks back! I never feel like I'm out of the game even when I have a hard time stabilizing
Sweet deck!
I think you forgot to show the sideboard in the opening or I missed it. Not that's it's usually too different.
Well you get to see it all at the end
Oh man. I guess you haven't seen the version with Efreet Flamepainter yet?
I really like the jeskai tokens version of this deck. Where you use burn down the house and stuff to have a bunch of tokens and life gain in the early game.
It's clear watching this that it's completely b unnecessary
Me after every game you won: "Disgusting."
Oh god, I'm getting Nexus of Fate 'nam flashbacks. * Dry Heaves *
It feels like every rotation there is an infinite turns combo that gets banned or "should"
You mentioned that people didn't watch your last izzet video, and I thought I'd mention why sometimes I don't watch videos all the way through. Generally, I don't always watch combo videos or aggro videos all the way through because after the first couple games I know how it's going to work (although i do skim to see if there are specific matchups that are useful to know). For instance, mono white aggro's biggest decision often seems to be whether or not to hold a creature in hand in case of a board wipe.
My favorite videos are the control ones, where as a viewer I'm unsure if you will succeed. Close games with lots of decision making and commentary are the most entertaining, but I also understand that they can be the most frustrating and fatiguing, and combo videos and aggro videos are still very informative and entertaining just because you're the one piloting them.
That all being said, this deck's combo happens on turn 8 without ramp, so there's plenty of suspense about if you will succeed against the ancestral foe (aggro).
Why do you not run lier in the izzet turns? since you have a control shell, couldn't you double turn, then spend a turn liering, then you have all your alrunds again!
Oh sweet, iteration tribal!
i feel like i need a bath after watching all that greasy magic
12:31 me every time I play Pot of Greed
For discard to combat this, relying on 'Go Blank' to wipe out the graveyard would definitely be a great help. Otherwise, playing around with hexproof to combat bounce and giant/changelings for against the board wipe may be a decent counter strategy. Then again, even with a deck designed to counter, it may still only win 50%.
Go blank should see some use as I don't think there us another way to exile an opponents entire graveyard with one card. The discard is almost gravy.
I've been trying to do a GW coven deck...
Its not very strong..
where is the "why not cast the nexus of fate" meme from?
The ones that I've been playing today have all had the Goldspan in it, and I went against it four times and just kept getting slaughtered. One guy had six. SIX. turns in a row.
Epiphany always floats to the top of the deck. I only run 2 in my Izzet list and it's always there when I need it. Kinda spooky.....
This cancerous deck will be dead after worlds
I see Alrund’s getting banned 100%
They wouldn't ban it before worlds. That would crash the deck preparations
It shouldve been banned a long time ago. 6 or 7 mana for an extra turn and 2 fliers to boot? I play it all the time and win with it all the time. Playing against it sucks. The game is usually over at that point and the opponent doesn't get a response most of the time. I feel bad when I do play it.
Seriously, Alrund's needs a ban asap, it completely warps the format around it. Maybe Wizards will someday learn extra turns is a terrible mechanic in a turn based game.
Seems odd, based on the wording of AE, that you get several turns in a row when copying it multiple times in the space of one turn.
It doesn't merely say "take an extra turn." it specifies "after this one". It hasn't said anything about what happens after your next turn, only about what happens after this one.
So why do these copies of AE behave as if they have been cast on a turn other than the one they have been cast on?
It's just how the rules of the game work.... 500.7. Some effects can give a player extra turns. They do this by adding the turns directly after the specified turn. If a player is given multiple extra turns, the extra turns are added one at a time. If multiple players are given extra turns, the extra turns are added one at a time, in APNAP order (see rule 101.4). The most recently created turn will be taken first.
I constantly get screwed by Teachings of the Archaics. I've decided to run one Teachings and one Intro to Prophecy.
I need to take a shower after watching this haha. Good content anyway, as always.
I’m playing a deck right now big combo is scute swarm brought back by doll house, they get as big as they are wide
"Can anyone defeat me today? ... Probably not" - CGB 2021
Kalain may also provide problems for battle of frost and fire.
i just picked up the game after 20 years without playing it, and facing this kind of deck kinda feel u aren't even playing the same game XD it is frustrating as hell.
i'm in the process of collecting cards in order to actually try to find my way through this madness XD .. everytime i see a blue land falling on the board i'm sad now XD and even if sometime by some miracle i manage to beat it , i had some surprise where idroped from 20 to 0 hp in a "single" turn lol .. mtga is..magic i guess : p
i don't get your point sorry xD
Hello Nexus of Fate, we didn't miss you.
every time I see a blue deck I know any hope of having fun that game is a fantasy!
Wouldn't the dragon egg card be good in this deck? Epiphany turns it into a 4/4 and you can burn face with it.
not playing creatures means all their removal spells are dead
better keep this deck free from creatures to turn opponents removal into dead cards
Low level ladder has not committed to this yet, but I still added 3 duress to my mono black anyways. It’s good against almost everything except mono white, which 7 sweepers deal with nicely.
You could try Check for Traps, hits creatures and exiles. However in my experience they just foretell the Epiphany and you can't touch it anyway. Duress is a bit more likely to hit before that but then they just draw another one end of turn with Memory Deluge. It's a nightmare for anything without counterspells.
35:41 More like three weird looking hands with all those Spikefield Hazards
Why wasn't this popular with Teach By Example?
Why not ban Galvanic Iteration instead of Alrund's?
because alrund's epiphany is a disgusting card. also the biggest addition isn't iteration its deluge
To answer part one, because Galvanic Iteration can be cast again for its flashback cost. To answer part two, because it's the extra turns that are (always) the problem. Hence the Nexus of Fate and Time Warp bans in historic.
@@FatboyGengiz I guess my biggest inquiry is why Alrund's Epiphany wasn't as big of an issue before Galvanic Iteration, when Teach By Example was a thing.
So that leads me to wonder again: why not ban Galvanic instead of Alrund's, as Alrund's wasn't a big issue beforehand?
I'm not too knowledgeable on this. Please guide my thought
I'm surprised that the win rate isn't higher! To be perfectly honest, when I come up against this deck as soon as they play the epiphany, I quit. I've always hated playing against blue control, and this deck just sucks the fun out of the game for me.
Yup. I hate this card. I refuse to burn wildcards on it or even play it. Not only will I quit if its played, I will make the opponent wait out the win and just AFK for 5 mins.
Azorius deck in the beginning is probably you ! lol
Loving this deck, more than the Azorius control with Lier. This one is plenty of control but Lier just feels too "fiddly" trying to fish through the graveyard. Haven't played a lot, but 2-0 against mono-green (that's all I got matched with). Feels good clearing the board with only 6 health left then starting to unload galvanic and birds.
@@FR0STBL0D Certainly agree, the lier stuff is so powerful that it should be "fiddly" to use it. galvanic and epiphany OTOH are incredibly easy to use (just keep some extra mana to stop the counters that are likely to come from a blue deck and good to go). It may be worth a ban, but in the meantime its fun to play.
NICE !
Day 107 of asking CGB to play a deck with Mystic Reflection and Reflections of Littjara in it.
That’s more of an LVD video
I like burn the house down instead of battle because of the extra damage, being able to copy, and get 1/1 haste’s to help kill opponent on extra turns
Had a dude do this back to back. 4 turns of me not being able to do anything was some bs lol