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@@peter5.056 I'd like to throw in the fact that those of us who binged or still do, don't always do so out of hunger. The need to eat large amounts of food stems from many things. They can include being bored, stressed or anxious. Some people eat for those reasons can also turn it around and use food as a reward.
@@MikeyP109 binging is the main symptom of chronic restriction. the minnesota starvation experiment demonstrated some evidence for that. hyperphagia tends to decrease over time, if the hunger drive is answered without restriction.
@@peter5.056 I'm not sure I agree with that experiment. Maybe the sample size or pool was a bit off or maybe they don't really understand binge eating. To say that binging is a symptom of food restriction in no way falls in line with my experiences or those that I've spoken with who have the same issues.
@@MikeyP109 it's a common symptom of restrictive minsets, but of course it can be a multifactorial issue. i'm just saying it's the most common trigger.
Man. When the little dude said he isn't a horrible person for being fat but everyone is horrible to him really hit home. Poor kid. Made me almost want to cry
This is why I'm so against fat shaming. Some people think it's fine because it's motivating but no. Being fat is not morally evil but fat shaming treats it like it is. Fat shaming sets those being bullied up for eating disorders and body image issues later in life.
@@starojunes Not that you need another reason not to fat shame, but if someone is so stubborn and says that he/she does it to motivate someone to loose weight: It does the polar opposite. It increases the stress level, which leads to emotional eating. So you have a emotional and factual reason not to do so.
@@alina.r. Yeah but kids aren’t getting fat shamed as much as before and we still have an overweight epidemic. At least with fat shaming, the kid will eventually realize something is off and maybe correct the problem whereas if they live a Cush overweight life and enabled by parents they will learn nothing. It’s a lose-lose situation.
I hate how families make the child responsible for their weight and habits. They expect an 11 year old to educate the adults? What the hell?! I once asked my mum why did she let my weight reach such a high number when I was a kid. She answered: "You didn't have to eat the ice cream we went to get. We gave you the option and you ate it. It was your decision." I hate how horrible parents can some people be. Absolutely devastating.
She didn't teach you self-control at a young age and then proceeds to shame you? That's messed up. I'm sorry bro. I'm currently trying to change what I eat or drink, I feel great so far. I hope the same thing happens you!
Bro that's literally my dad. He kept buying me bags of chips and chocolate and when I told him that I don't want them he's like "well, you don't have to eat it, spread it out over the week", despite me telling him constantly that I struggle with binging. It came to a point where I seriously thought it was my fault and I had no self-control, but reading all the comments now made me realise, absolutely fucking not. He was just insensitive. Luckily I still managed to lose 7 kg (I wasn't heavy to begin with, but still looked pregnant and it was really uncomfortable).
The two mothers blaming their children made me so angry. Charlotte was supposed to teach them? She's the adult, she could've learned while she was gone. "The crisps threw themselves in the trolly... but it's his fault for eating them" lack of responsibility and accountability 😕
My jaw dropped when the mom said Charlotte was supposed to educate *them*. No, lady, she’s a preteen. You’re the parent! Poor Charlotte. It must be tough living with such nasty and critical parents. She deserves better.
@ThatGuy-bh9qh some parents think all they have to do is birth them. That children can “parent” themselves. Why even have kids if you don’t want to parent?
My parents are like this too. They literally say “you’re supposed to set an example for us” they make me fucking angry at their stupidity. They have said that ever since I was 14… as if all my issues magically happened with no interference from them. The stupidity UGH.
The joking attitude of Johnny's mom at the end is so telling. On some level she recognizes that she's undermining her son's efforts, but doesn't want to seriously grapple with the implications of it or commit to changing her behaviour, so it's dealt with as a joke. So many of these parents desperately want to believe their kids' weight struggles have nothing to do with their own behaviours. The biggest limitations of 'fat camps' is that the entire family is often in need of education and behavioural coaching to really make lasting changes
This exactly! I don't understand why they don't teach the parents to have more healthy behaviors. They are the ones that do the groceries, they are the ones that cook dinner and make their kid's lunches. And all the parents in this video are unhealthy aswell! Maybe mister dad-bod telling his daughter she's lazy should eat healthier himself, that would change a whole lot more.
She made me the most mad when she said she wasn't taking all the blame after saying the crisps fell into the cart. You are THE reason he got bug in the first place. He didn't reach that point in 1 year as a teenager. It was years when he was little over feeding him and keeping too much junk food in the house. And she he's better for her own health acting like he's the only one with a weight problem. So frustrating. If a child has to get a grip on their own health before 16 years old you failed as a parent in my opinion.
@@NRfun because it costs too much money to inform the entire family. Just like anything else, it’s a business. And they expect a revolving door to keep their salaries. Not bashing Fat Camps….just being real.
I started watching this channel because of my past issue with over eating. At this point, I'm noticing many people commenting things that ring so true for me as well. I'm noticing this community to be a great place to chat with people without shame or embarrassment. Your comment caused me to think of this. Nice post!
@@thatvalensteingirl I wonder why many kids dream about going to fat camp. I understand their goals of losing weight but didn't they realized the word "camp" means boot camp?
Yea.. could we also acknowledge the fact that her parents are huge as well? I don't know where they get off criticizing their kid for her size when theyre as rotund as they are..
That was so hard to watch, especially when she said something like "but that's just how my dad is, I guess" like she has to do the emotional heavy lifting instead of her parents learning to understand that what they're saying is hurtful
They were horrible. I wonder if they watched this back and noticed how they talked to their daughter Vs how the other parents talked to their kids. Probably not, though 😒
I hated the end where the mother said "she was supposed to come back and re-educate us but she's just not willing..." Like excuse me?! Your 14yo is not responsible for your adult ass. And when she's spoken to like that, how do you expect her to stand up and say no to the food you're bringing in? That poor kid is in a bad situation and I truly hope when she grows up she escapes it and lives a great life. Whatever size I just hope she's happy.
I actually went to Camp Shane when I was 16. It changed my life for the better. I lost 18lbs in a month, put on SO much muscle, kept it off for years, and even lost more weight after I left. The workouts we did were mostly fun, like Zumba, swim, dodgeball, etc. Some of the workouts were definitely difficult, but there was a great balance between fun (like arts and crafts, drama, putting on plays, making clothes out of newspaper, dances) and hard workouts. There was also therapy and group therapy to work through the trauma of what growing up fat was like. It was such an incredible and amazing experience for me. It taught me that weight loss is possible and sustainable and what it felt like to be healthy and fit. I’m a HUGE advocate of fat camps. I will say, they’re too expensive. My parents paid 1,500$ a WEEK for me to go. But my parents said time and time again that it was worth it for my health.
Childhood obesity is a very difficult subject. I agree with you about sense of comradery these kids have when at these camps. However, in many videos about obesity in children, it seems to be a consistent thread that their parents are not even remotely helping. I have no idea how this could be addressed, but I'd love to see a video of your opinion on this aspect of childhood obesity. Thanks for the great content, what you do matters.
I understand, i had this problem, nowadays i am overwheight, and doing everything that i can not to be obese again, and i am 34 years old, i have a very low selfesteem.
I highly recommend her videos on the British series Junk Food Babies/Kids, where she discusses the role parents play in childhood obesity! There is so much to be said about childhood obesity and I’m so glad someone like Kianna who has experienced it is here to give excellent insight on it alongside her and evidence based approach.
@@Doxygurl Thanks for that info. I've only come across Kiana's channel very recently. Wish I had long ago, but she has a great community and fantastic content. Its always good to know we're not alone in the ongoing battle with eating disorders and overall weight control.
Charlotte's mum ranting about how they've been to the dieticians and know that they have a reasonably healthy diet with two pringle packs behind her tells you everything you need to know. Poor thing, hope she's been able to develop a healthy relationship with food and herself since this was filmed.
The weirdest thing about being a fat kid, was how people would make fun of you when you actively went out and did exercise. Esspecially the people closer and closer to you. Seeing so many of them in those camps just all of a sudden "being active" while they're always "lazy" at home. To the kids that made it in those camps, after having done it once, you can do it again. You've done it before and I promise you if you want to do it again, you can.
My journey as an obese kid that has always been obese and just overcame as an adult, I didn't even go to the gym because I was always afraid of people making fun of me, even if they didn't say anything. Also, my family said a lot of stupid stuff like "you are being too extreme" or "you should eat more", which I proudly ignore since most of them are obese. I prefered to exercize at home and pay someone to teach what I needed to know than to face bullshit at the gym
Kid gyms are trash. I had a normal weight and I was ragged on for just looking chubby. Plus I was always picked last for everything. After I found out that adults arent massive a-holes like kids I got a fitness club membership and now I can actually enjoy exercising without dealing with all the insecurity. Adult gymbros are honestly some of the most supportive people I've met.
Exactly, like I’d say no to a sweet treat at school or something and someone would make a comment on how I was probably on a diet or be like “why wouldn’t you want that, I can tell you like them”
I was diagnosed with depression at the age of 13. I’ve always thought it wasn’t a big deal and was just normal for me. But when I heard that kid say he was depressed, I felt like crying for him. No kid should have to feel that way for a prolonged period of time.
Something that would've helped me a lot when I was an overweight kid (and stopped me from becoming an obese adult) is making exercise more enjoyable. It's not like I hated all sports, but the sporty kids made playing team sports in pe hell for the rest of us because they got so mad when they didn't win. I hated how I looked when I ran because I got made fun of for it once, and I hated that I ran slower than everyone else so I just stopped trying. I tried out climbing once and loved it but ended up not continuing because I hated how fat I looked in the harness in a picture my mom took of me. I did jiu jitsu for a few years and got bullied out of that too eventually. I think a lot of kids, especially fat kids, have had really bad or even traumatic experiences with exercise.
When i felt or feel this way i make it into a mindset of "against all odds i am able to do this and thats impressive" powered up in my head. In my case it was being skinny and often sick as a kid. Turn it into power. Youre badass cause you can even if this shit is against you
Totally agree! PE was really hard for me. I was a fairly active kid but never did organized team sports, just martial arts and biking, backyard baseball with the neighbourhood kids, etc. The focus on team sports in PE was horrible and made me so unconfident and reinforced my idea that I wasn’t a jock, so exercising regularly was a struggle for a long time. It was especially bad when I wound up in high school PE with a bunch of the varsity athletes. Years later I still remember getting yelled at for lack of effort because the anxiety was so strong I would freeze up playing baseball or football etc.
You are so right! I think the best way to kill childrens natural joy of moving is schools PE classes. I started belive that exercise was not for me in a similar way that drawing or hand-crafts are not for everybody.
@@erobin93 i was a pretty ballsy kid ngl, eventhough i wasnt great at everything i kept going. And i pat myself in the back when i won. Ballsy only in my own head, kind and humble to people. Is that why they dispised me? I kept learning alone too. Everything. Just for the fun of it. Books, lessons, ways to be better at atlethics while looking.. weird ig?
Same this is how I felt. I was yelled at in PE by team mates that got upset when we didn’t win or they’d refuse to let me participate because I wasn’t good enough or they’d make fun of me when I ran because my fat jiggled. I came to associate exercise with punishment. On top of that was regular bullying so I turned to food for comfort but even if I hadn’t I’d still have gained more because the majority of my diet at home was carbs. When I moved out the only things I knew how to make were pasta and potato dishes. And sad thing is, there were sports I wanted to try and enjoyed but I was either shamed into quitting or my mom couldnt afford to pay to let me take classes or join a team so I never got to pursue any of those interests. In some ways it felt like I was actively discouraged from doing anything physical. I creeped into obesity when I stopped going outside all together because I didn’t want the neighborhood kids to make fun of me. I remember trying to diet a couple times when I was around 10 to 13 but I didn’t know how to aside from just don’t eat and not surprisingly it never lasted long. Especially when my family members were eating junk in front of me and I didn’t understand how my much taller brothers were able to eat so much more than me and still be skinny while I was fat. Tho now that we’ve all stopped growing and are creeping towards 30 I’m not the only one with a gut anymore. 😅
Listening to the way Charlotte's parents spoke about her broke my heart. The parents obviously don't want to accept any responsibility for the health and wellbeing of their daughter
When I was 15 I went to a similar camp, altough much more sensible - we learned about healthy food, basic cooking and preparing healthy foods, did a lot of sports, but without drill sergeants. I wanted to go myself and my parents paid after some convincing (far less than 25,000 €, more like 500-600 EUR or so. It really helped in the beginning and I lost a couple of kg during the camp and managed to keep it off for a couple of months. However, then I learned: All this is useless if your family is not on your side. My whole family was overweight and they always complaint about me eating to much - they still bought all the junk food - just gave me an earful when I actually ate it as soon as they brought it home. But they never supported me when I wanted to do something active, and with my mom cooking mainly the traditional, unhealthy food of our country I gained the weight back and added some over the years. Long story short: It doesn't help to send you kid to such a camp, when you continue to feed your kid shitty food once their back home.
@@PeaceOfMake I think that`s why it`s important for parents to include their kids in grocery shopping and making food in general. Tbh I started cooking my own food after school when I was 9 y old. At first simpler dishes(baked potatoes, omelette etc) and when teenager-healthier foods from the cookbook. My parents bought me ingredients I wrote on the stick-it-note. I`ve find it surprising how in many households kids/teens are not making their own food or don`t know how to cook at all. Unsure why a 14y old can`t convince their parents to give them right to cook food some of the nights or buy grocieries to make their own food. Then again, families are different and if you`ve never had any high expectations to be independent and are being treated poorly, they may not even think about this option.
They complained about you eating too much, because they are nad at themselves for their own lack of control. It's hard growing up with overweight parents, and it's even harder to grow up with overweight parents who have low self esteem.
I remember an old Reddit thread about a young teenager who was obese and being sent to a weight loss camp, and he _really_ didn't want to go. So he actually refused to cooperate and stayed in his bunk all day until they had no other choice but to send him back home. He didn't crack even when he didn't get any meals.
This was a really emotional watch as a former fat kid. I remember fantasizing about fat camp, being old enough to do weight watchers (it was 10+ at the time), etc. I wish so much that there were more of those programs like the British one you looked at to let these kids learn healthier habits in a low judgment environment that helps them build confidence. Instead we often get stuff like WW’s failed kids app.
The segment at 13:20 is just heartbreaking. Imagine hearing your own mom (or any adult) talk about you in such a contemptuous way. For a teenager, that must be devastating. And her dad is no better. I hope Charlotte can find the positive support she deserves at some point in her life
I was threatened often to be sent to fat camp ( I was a heavier child). Yet nothing was being done at home to change the quality of food or my habits. That constant threat messed with me mentally as a kid. I've tried very unhealthy ways to lose weight as a kid in order to avoid being sent away..As an adult, I have made that change on my own in a healthy way. To the point where the adults who didn't help in my childhood accused me of anna. Luckily I didn't let those comments get to me and have kept off everything for well over 10 years now.
I was once in a fat camp, but in Europe (not the UK). I was the oldest and ran away from it (with parents' permission) after 3 days, we were very missold on it. I remember barely being given any food, forcing kids like me who normally do 0 physical activity to suddenly do gym sessions and bike rides. For lunch I got an apple on day 2, which I ate during the 5km bike ride, and got yelled at for not waiting till activity was over. I lost close to 5kg, and they were deeming that success (weigh in every day or every other day, I don't remember now). Basically, too hardcore of changes, too quickly, and just jumping at forcing the sweat offz calling it 'weight loss'. I went there willingly hoping for knowledge and a bit of exercise, not whatever this was.
@@honestlynate7922 not much learnt, a lot endured, point of my post. It was pure physical activity with minimal food, from morning till late evening. There was no health screening before the camp, like with a nurse or doctor, just a form my parents filled in stating if I had diabetes (I didn't). I only recall a brief session with the nutritionist who said the bare minimum (eat around 1200 kcal to lose weight, be active). Going from 0 to 100 like that was unexpected and I couldn't deal with it for more than I did.
A five-kilometre bike ride is nothing. It's was only 3 days. I eat a 120 calorie protein shake for breakfast For lunch I usually have three eggs and one piece of toast. You didn't learn anything in three days especially not enough to keep saying all this stuff. You didn't go through anything traumatic you really need to calm down
I felt so bad for the 14 year old my mum died when I was 8 and I also was a fat kid due to my father not saying no and also not knowing how to cook. Beeing fat as a child is so horrible,kids really treat you bad. Also my father picked on my weight so much that even when I lost weight and was skinny, I still thought I was fat. After a depression I gained back 30kg when I saw old pictures of me I was shocked that I thought I was fat when I really wasn’t.Him saying I am not a horrible person broke my heart.
I get so excited whenever I see a new video from you. You put so much effort and care into research and production. You are a truly valuable voice in this conversation.
@@KianaDocherty you're welcome! Your videos helped me a lot when I was first starting out losing weight. I have lost 108lbs now and am basically done, and I always refer you to people who need help. Particularly with the behavior change aspect. If you've ever doubted that you make a positive impact, here's some proof that you do!
An idealized version of fat camp was also my dream as a kid. I had clinical depression since I was 10 and used food to cope. I always the biggest or one of the biggest girls in class. I loved the idea of a camp of nice adults like my teachers helping me reach my goals and only being surrounded by peers who could empathize with my struggle
I noticed some of the parents are heavy. No matter how good your camp system is it isn't going to work long term if the whole family doesn't make an effort towards a healthy lifestyle. I like the idea of kids being able to talk about their experiences though (especially bullying / body image issues).
I lost about 60 lbs in the past 2 years (about 10 ish regain that I'm working on), which I began when I was 15. I am very proud of myself for losing the weight but I remain to hate how I look. I started watching your videos more recently and it's making me feel a lot better with the remainder of my weight loss process.
@Rick Games Thank you! I went from 200 to 140, to about 150 (usually like 148, 149) and it's just been a little bit of a struggle to get back down to where I was.
@@PeaceOfMake yeah, something that helped me try to do more sustainable things to lose weight rather than hardcore diets that I couldn’t keep up with was seeing someone say “if you hate yourself now why wouldn’t you hate yourself when you’re skinny”. It was such an eye opening thing to read because in my head at that time if I lost weight I’d be so great and I’d have the best life ever but that’s not the reality
I mean, isn’t a company that sells fast food can acknowledge it’s not healthy and sponsor a camp encouraging better eating not a good thing? I’m objectively healthy, but love an occasional Big Mac, the point is people are accountable for over eating these unhealthy foods like McDonalds.
@H. Vicente I totally get where you're coming from and on the surface, it may seem like a well-intentioned thing. You're right, people are responsible for the choices they make but there is a lot of science and manipulation that goes into making fast food as addictive as possible so the choice becomes an automatic habit. Also, the problem with someone like McDonald's sponsoring a camp like this is that they are marketing for themselves under this guise of altruism while simultaneously keeping people addicted to their food. If they were really concerned about balanced diets, they would sell healthier options again like snack wraps and salads. Kianna does great videos and explains all this much better than I just did 🤣
One of those documentaries, I really feel like most of the kids that went in felt they were doing the right thing and they had goals. Xander was one of my favourite stories from that documentary, he was so motivated and it was heart warming.
bruh those parents calling their sweet kid lazy made me wanna cry bc i feel her dam. like take her out on a beautiful hike, help her find fun shit outside that she enjoys, show her basic kindness & acceptance & maybe she would enjoy playing frisbee with u like jeez. ur the ones who control all her beliefs about herself & life. everyone should have their parents caring about their health mental & physical.
I found my older sisters 12/13 year old diary and she really wanted to lose weight and wrote about her diet of basically trying to starve the weight away. She wanted to go to fat camp really bad as well. Both my older and younger sister really struggled with obesity as a children and it's really sad to hear how they talked to themselves as kids.
I went to fat camp as a kid. it was actually a really great experience, but they didn't consider that a lot of us had eating disorders so once we left that controlled environment, we would just go back to binging. It's not a fix, just a delay, so parents can feel good about themselves like they actually tried something.
they should use smart methods like - healthy eating - long walks - teaching about the industrial complex food scheme - diet coke microdosing - introducing kids to esoteric scientific discussion - learning about the macronutrients - traditional butchering - thorough discussion of governement dietary guidelines - bulgarian weightlifting - basketweaving just my 2 cents
Pfft. Just make your kids be really active since the start and give them as healthy as you can food that is according to their calories w/o mentioning calories
I am so intrinsically worried for all these kids. If the parents arent joining fat camp in some sessions/capacity it's most likely an absolute failure. Doesnt matter the age. It's beyond me how this point is so neglected and it only makes sense if (and I hope thats not the case) the aim is to get multiple visits from a kid, so it's buisnuess.
agreed. when they have brat camps they have the parents come in for education sessions so they can learn where they might be going wrong with their parenting style and how they can change it. OK there will e some parents that refuse to take home the message but at least they are trying to give the kids a fighting chance when they leave. The parents should be coming in for a weekend of cooking lessons, meal planning lessons, shopping lessons and lessons in how to say no- as a minimum.
i went to camp shane and I loved it, getting to play sports and do aerobics everyday and have the energy to do it after like 2 weeks do to the regimen was one of my favorite childhood experiences. it felt great to be able to play sports with other kids and not feel overwhelmed by being the fat kid no one wants on your team. I think the issue was these kids were addicted to fast food and had mentality of I hate this. I remember kids crying when we went out of the camp to go to a lake. 3/4th of the bus was yelling and howling when we passed a McDonald's. i was raised in a latino family and food was cooked every night and was thinking " wtf these people crying over not having McDonald's" also at Camp Shane, I had great counselors one who was the guy from fat camp show. i didnt know that at the time since I hadnt watched it. everything was fair imo and I loved every moment of it personally. i think kids just like to cry and complain
The saddest thing of all this is their families I imagine they were shut down when they came home with their new found confidence and eating habits. The weight loss journey is hard and I would love to be able to set up a place to educate families wholly about how to traverse the terrain.
I’ve been watching Kiana awhile and didn’t realize she’s Canadian until she mentioned toonies. This isn’t the first time I’ve discovered a content creator that I enjoy is Canadian and it always makes me happy (unreasonably so sometimes. Lol). ❤ 🇨🇦
I cannot imagine sending my kids away for 5 weeks in the summer. My youngest won't even stay away for a 1wk sleepover camp. These boot camp style places sound so extreme. I agree Kiana - psychology and fun so necessary
The parents blaming the kids for their weight is infuriating, and I can empathise. My mother is the worst for this. She buys endless sugary treats (chocolate, chips, coke etc.) and then gets angry if you don't eat it because "it's such a waste". She also serves gigantic portions for each meal and is upset if you don't finish it all, like it's a slight on her cooking. The emotional guilt tripping is constant. The month I moved out I lost 5kg/11lbs without trying
Wow, just another great video as always. I really like how you can just go on and on about these subjects without repeating yourself. Keep up the good work!❤
Kiana, I just wanted to let you know that your videos have helped me a lot with my personal weight loss/health journey. The in-depth knowledge you provide has changed my life in so many ways. Thank you so much for creating interesting, entertaining, and helpful content.
I was never an overweight child or an overweight teenager, but I became obese in the pandemic, even though I became thin again I feel very sorry for people in this situation, especially kids the pain these kids feel breaks my heart, it makes me angry that parents force their children to go to this fat camp and when the child returns will get fat again because of the parents :/
It really made me sad when the young blonde girl was getting bashed by her mom and dad. She seemed so kind. She smiled through it. IMO that was a form of verbal/ mental abuse. Making a child think they're just lazy, and fat because of their own doing. Her parents were cowards, shame on them. They're the lazy ones for bullying their daughter instead of doing the hard work to change and raise their children in a (mentally and physically) healthy environment. They were really gaslighting her. Words like theirs are enough to make a kid depressed. That's what leads to self hate & low self esteem.
In my youngest years, I was on the chunky side. Like, not fat, but had more meat on me than my skinny cousins. I will say, I remember eating more than I should, but I was still in the healthy weight range for my age. After my parents divorced at age 10, I lived with my mom for a couple of years. She was gone all the time. And out of guilt, she would leave me candy, cakes, and cookies. So I learned at 11 years old, when you're sad, you eat. I packed on the pounds quickly after that. I'm 35 now and weigh 295lbs. I have my own kids. They are all a healthy weight. I refuse to teach my kids the lesson that my mom taught me. You can struggle with weight and not pass that problem on to your kids. All that said, sometimes the parents are 100% to blame in the creating of eating problems. And sometimes (like with my thin dad who I spent the rest of my childhood with) they just don't know how to help.
I'm sorry about your childhood experiences. It's really fantastic that you are helping your children avoid the trap that you were led into. Parenting must be very difficult. You sound like a good mom! 💐
@@dronesclubhighjinks thank you so much. It is definitely hard being a parent. You bring all your own issues into parenthood with you. As a mom now, I do understand why my mom did what she did, because that's what her mom did. But I do not want my boys struggling with their weight for the rest of their lives.
@@trackydoo I wish the parents of these kids would do what you’re doing! Some of these parents are hindering their children out of apathy (“ I don’t know why he’s gaining weight? Oh well. I can’t do anything about it anyway.”) and others are emotionally abusive (“ she’s so lazy and doesn’t have any friends.”). I think I would have died of humiliation if my mom had said that to one person, and both of these parents were saying it on television, so the whole world could see it. I had the feeling they both actually despised their 11-yo daughter and they were making no effort at all to help her. It was almost like they got some twisted satisfaction out of her getting bigger so they could be even meaner to her. Probably they can’t stand themselves and are projecting that onto this poor kid. She has that type of childhood where I wish she would get her letter from Hogwarts already. Your children are lucky to have you for a mom! 👏😃🙌
I think the difference between the fat camp of Kianas Dreams and the fat camp in the movie is the adults. Their intent is the biggest factor to the success of these children and teens. It’s honestly telling that the only good fat camp ran out of funding. If it can create profit the original ideas go out the window in favor of monetary gain. Individual Mindsets are the powerhouse of change, the entire outcome around these camps are correlated to the core values of the camp. Profit or Effectiveness. I personally think that food corporations are to blame when they start engineering addiction, but I also think that the individual has a responsibility to improve their self with this information and more. Children and teens need information on these topics, so PLEASE keep making these Kiana! Lovely Video 9/10 🙂
I went to that camp in the UK. Honestly it was no different. I was on a 500-700 kcal diet and exercising 3h a day. They had way to many kids to give any education on things and didn't give any info on eating disorders (which I realised years later that I had). Their whole approach was "try to get as close to 0 grams of fat per day as possible" I did lose a significant amount of weight following that. 8 kgs in 3 weeks there and there a further 13kg in the next months. Then their diet fell apart because it was unrealistic and I gained it all back and more over the next 2 years. Im just sharing this to say, there was a positive effect and I did seek it out myself, but in the end most of the programmes are not actually well built to lead to successful weight loss long term. Still, it was interesting to hear your thoughts
This video is so exciting. I wanted to go to Fat Camp as a kid too! My mom said I wasn’t allowed to go to sleep away camp, and father (who was obese his entire life) said that I might have fun but the weight wouldn’t stay off.
I relate to Jonathan’s story. My dad passed away when I was 4 and unfortunately my mom, sister, and I found him deceased in his bed. That is a memory that is seared in my brain. Although I didn’t quite understand what was happening at the time, I knew it was bad based on the reactions of the adults around me. One of his neighbors was an elderly lady who had my sister I come into her apartment while my mom spoke to the paramedics and firemen. She offered us some ice cream as a distraction. I think that’s where my problems with food began. I never received therapy or counselling for what happened so anytime I felt upset or anxious or anything negative, I remembered how that ice cream made me feel better and would then emotionally eat to soothe myself. Of course I got chunkier and chunkier and was definitely on the obese scale for a child at certain points. I got made fun of by kids at school and even had nasty and rude comments made to me by adults, some who were my own family! I really feel so sorry for the child version of me and wish I could hold her and tell her everything was gonna be ok, that she’s not worthless and her weight isn’t her fault since she is just a child who doesn’t know any better. I did take control of my health in my mid 20’s and finally became a healthy weight for the first time in my adult life. I owe it to myself to never give up and even though it still struggle at times, I know it’s worth it.
I was in a fat camp at 12 and was one of the skinniest kids. I was told that I was sent there due to my negativity (yeah right, I was still tubby). The kicker is that all us kids were told DAY ONE that we would only get one serving for dinner everyday. And everyone LOST. THEIR. SHIT, except -supposedly negative- me. The irony was almost palpable haha. Funny thing is though, that camp was heavily focused on making physical activity FUN. So it was a great time. Didn't stop me from being a fat kid after returning home however. Turns out the problem wasn't necessary just because of me, but the shit food my parents dragged home on the regular.
Great content as always. People tend to underestimate how much our environment (aka homelife) and the habits of those around us can make or break kids building positive habits. Sad to hear the Camp that took a measured and holistic approach to health and weight loss lost their funding. Kids need to be empowered to make good decisions, not tempted and undermined at every turn.
As an "ex-fat" kid I can say that a unhealthy childwood can and will affect your confidence, body image, and other psychological effects that we have to fight every time we look at the mirror and talk about our routines, even when you get "in to shape". Thanks for the video, helps a lot.
It is very sad to hear these kid’s stories, as I once was a fat kid myself and I know what it feels like to hate yourself and to be bullied at school. Even my friends made fun of my weight. This turned into an eating disorder in 7th-8th grade and went unnoticed by my parents and everyone around me. I pray that these children can truly find health and happiness aside from crazy parents or horribly intense fat camps.
Oh my, I started tearing up hearing Johnathan's story. My brother is 17 and he had to drop out of school due to being bullied for his weight and his behaviour issues (that stem from surviving the christchurch earthquakes that started when he was about 5, along with him bein autustic). It's hard to see because he comes off as so angry and so mad, but inside he's like that kid. He's constantly hurting and it's so hard seeing that and being powerless to help. Edit: unless there's a Jonathan McEvoy with the same birth year and story from Lancashire, it appears he is a professional cyclist. I'm so happy for the guy.
For anyone trying to lose weight, here is my advise: 1: Sustainability and Consistency is key. You cannot drastically change your diet and expect to stick to it. Start by eating just a bit lesser each week (be it one snack lesser or one side dish lesser etc, keep track). 2: Start with weight training, alot of people trying to lose weight starts with cardio and it is hard to keep up with it, especially if you are overweight, it is alot of strain on your legs. Start with weight training and keep it simple and within your doable timeframe, I go to the gym 30mins to an hour everyday and is doing great. Incoporate cardio once you are comfortable with this lifestyle. 3: As mentioned in point 1, do not drastically change your diet as you are not going to be stick to it. But once you made the small changes cutting down on what you eat, thereafter do try to go for a healther option. As mentioned, sustainability is key, find healthier option that you like to eat and slowly change. For example, if you like meat, try to get more salmon or chicken breasts first, if you hate veggies try different kind of potatoes and slowly incorporate other veggies into your diet, with these small changes you will slowly be more open and more daring to try out different things. Start slow, don't get too uncomfortable too quickly, challenge yourself step by step and make sure it is SUSTAINABLE. Thank you
I attended Exeter's Wellspring Academy in the UK when I was 19, for 30 days. I was 130 kg back then. My experience was actually quite amazing. Our coaches were awesome people, very positive, understanding and supportive. The camp provided us with additional support even after we returned home. I did not experience anything negative like the things being described in your doc. I lost 9 kg in a month. And the general experience changed my mentality so much that actually put me in a steady road of change and wellbeing. I weigh 85 kg now, 10 years later. My point is, not all "fat camps" are bad. Some consist of people that actually care and they help a lot of children worldwide.
Every summer when I was a teenager I went to camp for a week. Each time, I lost five pounds because of all the fun physical activities I got to do, like swimming, hiking, canoeing, etc. So, it's silly to make kids engage in boot camp type exercises that make them miserable. I've watched a fat camp documentary where kids were being yelled at to exercise. It accomplished nothing.
I worked at a Jewish summer camp for 3 summers in a row in Cleveland, GA. Because I worked my butt off from 7am until 11 pm with on call every 3 days (yes we had a day off every 4th), my children got to experience camp. They still talk about how much they loved Camp Coleman and my children are in their 20’s. They were literally on the go from 730 am until 11 pm every day for 3.5 weeks. They ate white bread (something they’d never had before) and drank gallons of bug juice (also something they never had before) but because they were so busy every day, weight wasn’t an issue. Ironically I would say that obesity factor was very low - maybe 5% and that’s with 250-300 children. I also have lovely memories of working there. This was back in the early 2000’s
McDonald’s act so unabashedly like corpo villains it’s almost stranger than fiction. Real life feels like parody sometimes. Your channel really emphasizes this, which is why your videos are captivating. Can’t wait to see what you make next!
I have been watching for so long and never realized you were Canadian too 🤦♀️. But this video was very insightful. The moment the young boy said he was disappointed in his 1lb weightloss, I also felt as if someone should be there to let them know how amazing that is and how amazing they are.
Being in Zander’s position at the same time in my life, it breaks my heart to hear how disappointed he was when he only lost 18 lbs. he desperately wanted to be happy and I wish he could know how proud he should feel. I hope he’s doing well now and can be happy
Great video Kiana! I'm really enjoying the consistency of uploads and go the length of your videos. Keep up the great work! Cant wait for the next video :)
When I was 12, I went to a sleep away camp, just a regualr camp for two weeks, and lost 12 lbs. Just meals, no snacks, lots of activities. I ate rice crispies with honey over them for breakfast, from the salad bar for lunch and some of the junkiest food for dinner.
This channel strikes an objective chord you don't see very often on the internet. I have struggled with my weight, or at least my own perception of my weight, since I left high school, and my sister and I talk about it all the time. It's so refreshing to know there are people who think like we do about this stuff. Also, big fan of Heavyweights.
I can't (well, I can) believe the mom putting all the blame on poor Charlotte, while there are TWO PRINGLE CANS in the background. Suuuure it's her lack of activity, not the food you're buying and putting in the house.
A "fat camp" that would actually be beneficial would be a fun summer camp that introduces the kids to physical activities they enjoy in fun ways, and show them how to make healthy but tasty food. A system that would SHOW them how to make the right choices and reward them when they do. Way too many of these shows PUNISH the ppl just for being fat. Which is horrible to the kids mentally and will make them not want to lose weight.
One word - environment. I saw it time and time again, on myself and on others. Children are mirroring their parents and the environment they grow up in. I usually try to be open about these things, but I can't this time. It's only the parents' fault - nobody else's. You don't start overeating just by yourself, you are either forced by your family or are mimicking others (especially with unhealthy, caloric dense foods) so much so, you become addicted. And the ending of this video sums it up really well. The kids have the drive, but when it's their parents who sabotage their hopes, there is not that much they can do until they can start living on their own. But then, it may be way too late, because their mental health will be devastated and crooked from all the bullying and negative self image.
I think the ideal camp would have the parents visit on the weekends for coaching classes of their own. None of these parents seem to know what to do to help their families be healthy!
What's sad about the U.S. is that politicians are not focused on kids/the youth being overweight more so they are focused on the kids not being gay, half the country is like this.
I walk a lot, and I have a job that has me doing a lot of physical work. It's good to just keep being productive, because even though it's small, it changes you. I love that some of these kids genuinely enjoyed being there at the camp. They were determined to change themselves for the better. Personally, I think the parents should've stocked up on healthier foods for when their kids returned, so that they could be persuaded to keep living the lifestyle they started. What a nice video this was. :)
I feel badly for these kids because often times they need healthy habits in the home. I’m not saying I’m the most fit, nor am I a fanatical health nut, but my kids and I are are healthy weight. I think one of the biggest contributors to weight gain (at least within my family and friends) is emotional eating. Food is used for comfort, celebration, appeasement, etc. that emotional tie to food makes it really hard to lose weight because it’s entrenched in the emotional well-being of the individual. I try so hard not to use food in that way. I don’t want my children to have a an emotional reaction to food.
11:38 My niece's elementary school started teaching them about depression and self harm in 2nd grade. It was an eye opener, and that was a few years ago.
Omg I’ve never known anyone else who’s said they wanted to go to fat camp, but I did it too. When I was 10, I actually drafted up this whole plan for a charter school for fat kids because I recognized that the stress of school, food there, and lack of activity was causing me to gain more weight. I dreamed of something that would be like “The Biggest Loser” for kids
19:29 The kid can’t re-educate the family! They don’t make the dinners, stock the cupboards with junk or buy the groceries! Unless the parent changes, there is little hope for the child.
I flippin' hate that mom laughing about giving in and bringing chips into her house... you're deliberately trying to kill your kid or ruin his life so that he could end up very sick or suffering from poor mental health. It is not funny. Jesus do I ever want to punch parents who deliberatly force their child into obesity.
I went to camp pocono trails (the fat camp with the red buildings) this past year and they definitely changed a lot. They changed from a fat camp to a "health and wellness camp" now they take in kids who are underweight, addicted to computers and drugs, crippling depressed, and fat. They changed from a strict military style to more of a self-input style. Whatever you put in, you get out. In the three weeks I was there people were proud of the weight they lost. The only problems now are that it is only guaranteed to be effective for overweight people. I went there 20 pounds underweight and lost an additional 5 pounds. The next problem was people with bad habits can sometimes have bad attitudes, one kid had a complete temper tantrum (he was 14) and was screaming and crying throwing his items around the bunk. One kid got bullied out within a week (he was meant to be there for 7 weeks) because he talked like a Redditor and always wore a fedora. The food there is good but it is meant to help you lose weight not be gourmet. If the parents advertise the camp like a regular and fun summer camp (like they do on their website) then you will go there and everything will be disappointing.
I agree with most of your observations. And...they're kids. The second they're released from Starve a Developing Child Camp they're going to come home, scrape up as many quarters from the couch that they can find and say "I'm going for a bike ride with my new healthy habits!" and ride to the Wawa for Snoballs.
My older sister went to fat camp twice when we were growing up. I was SO jealous of her getting to go and coming back looking amazing. Meanwhile I was stuck at home with my 80’s diet obsessed mom eating Jenny Craig , or on a diet of grapefruit, Melba toast, tuna, and cottage cheese. SMH, after 30 years of an eating disorder, which eventually became just disordered eating I finally decided to change my life 3 years ago and lost a hundred pounds. I feel great and I believe I have finally mastered eating to LIVE instead of living to EAT.
I desperately wanted to go to fat camp as a young teen too. It’s awful seeing the negative environments. I don’t know if it’s a generational thing, but parents were allowed to be a lot more overtly meaner in the 90s!
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I'd like your opinion on Dr. McDougall's latest talk on the hunger drive. I think he hit the nail on the head with that one! Ppl are hungry!
@@peter5.056 I'd like to throw in the fact that those of us who binged or still do, don't always do so out of hunger. The need to eat large amounts of food stems from many things. They can include being bored, stressed or anxious. Some people eat for those reasons can also turn it around and use food as a reward.
@@MikeyP109 binging is the main symptom of chronic restriction. the minnesota starvation experiment demonstrated some evidence for that. hyperphagia tends to decrease over time, if the hunger drive is answered without restriction.
@@peter5.056 I'm not sure I agree with that experiment. Maybe the sample size or pool was a bit off or maybe they don't really understand binge eating. To say that binging is a symptom of food restriction in no way falls in line with my experiences or those that I've spoken with who have the same issues.
@@MikeyP109 it's a common symptom of restrictive minsets, but of course it can be a multifactorial issue. i'm just saying it's the most common trigger.
Man. When the little dude said he isn't a horrible person for being fat but everyone is horrible to him really hit home. Poor kid.
Made me almost want to cry
Chances are his parents are fat and they should know better but just don’t care. Sad.
This is why I'm so against fat shaming. Some people think it's fine because it's motivating but no. Being fat is not morally evil but fat shaming treats it like it is. Fat shaming sets those being bullied up for eating disorders and body image issues later in life.
Same for ppl with mental illness..
I was overweight and mentally ill as a kid.. im pretty much a misanthrope..
@@starojunes Not that you need another reason not to fat shame, but if someone is so stubborn and says that he/she does it to motivate someone to loose weight: It does the polar opposite. It increases the stress level, which leads to emotional eating. So you have a emotional and factual reason not to do so.
@@alina.r. Yeah but kids aren’t getting fat shamed as much as before and we still have an overweight epidemic. At least with fat shaming, the kid will eventually realize something is off and maybe correct the problem whereas if they live a Cush overweight life and enabled by parents they will learn nothing. It’s a lose-lose situation.
I hate how families make the child responsible for their weight and habits. They expect an 11 year old to educate the adults? What the hell?! I once asked my mum why did she let my weight reach such a high number when I was a kid. She answered: "You didn't have to eat the ice cream we went to get. We gave you the option and you ate it. It was your decision." I hate how horrible parents can some people be. Absolutely devastating.
She didn't teach you self-control at a young age and then proceeds to shame you? That's messed up. I'm sorry bro.
I'm currently trying to change what I eat or drink, I feel great so far. I hope the same thing happens you!
Excuse me what the fuck 😭 that’s so sad I’m so sorry that happened to you
Bro that's literally my dad. He kept buying me bags of chips and chocolate and when I told him that I don't want them he's like "well, you don't have to eat it, spread it out over the week", despite me telling him constantly that I struggle with binging. It came to a point where I seriously thought it was my fault and I had no self-control, but reading all the comments now made me realise, absolutely fucking not. He was just insensitive. Luckily I still managed to lose 7 kg (I wasn't heavy to begin with, but still looked pregnant and it was really uncomfortable).
Story of my life
@@gollygoops6693even worse, she bought him ice cream, and then blamed him for eating it.
The two mothers blaming their children made me so angry. Charlotte was supposed to teach them? She's the adult, she could've learned while she was gone. "The crisps threw themselves in the trolly... but it's his fault for eating them" lack of responsibility and accountability 😕
Wasn't it just blood boiling, the parents were obese themselves.
My jaw dropped when the mom said Charlotte was supposed to educate *them*. No, lady, she’s a preteen. You’re the parent! Poor Charlotte. It must be tough living with such nasty and critical parents. She deserves better.
@ThatGuy-bh9qh some parents think all they have to do is birth them. That children can “parent” themselves. Why even have kids if you don’t want to parent?
My parents are like this too. They literally say “you’re supposed to set an example for us” they make me fucking angry at their stupidity. They have said that ever since I was 14… as if all my issues magically happened with no interference from them. The stupidity UGH.
@@ma.2089 Amen times a million!
Charlotte's parents emotionally abusing her and calling her lazy when THEY ARE BOTH OBESE is beyond infuriating, it's heartbreaking.
my thoughts exactly 😔
sounds like projection, they're really calling themselves lazy
Yeah, I hate how they bully her!
Ikr!!😞
Fat parents will always have fat kids. There is just no way around it.
The joking attitude of Johnny's mom at the end is so telling. On some level she recognizes that she's undermining her son's efforts, but doesn't want to seriously grapple with the implications of it or commit to changing her behaviour, so it's dealt with as a joke. So many of these parents desperately want to believe their kids' weight struggles have nothing to do with their own behaviours. The biggest limitations of 'fat camps' is that the entire family is often in need of education and behavioural coaching to really make lasting changes
nailed it
This exactly! I don't understand why they don't teach the parents to have more healthy behaviors. They are the ones that do the groceries, they are the ones that cook dinner and make their kid's lunches. And all the parents in this video are unhealthy aswell! Maybe mister dad-bod telling his daughter she's lazy should eat healthier himself, that would change a whole lot more.
She made me the most mad when she said she wasn't taking all the blame after saying the crisps fell into the cart. You are THE reason he got bug in the first place. He didn't reach that point in 1 year as a teenager. It was years when he was little over feeding him and keeping too much junk food in the house. And she he's better for her own health acting like he's the only one with a weight problem. So frustrating. If a child has to get a grip on their own health before 16 years old you failed as a parent in my opinion.
@@NRfun because it costs too much money to inform the entire family. Just like anything else, it’s a business. And they expect a revolving door to keep their salaries. Not bashing Fat Camps….just being real.
This is why parents should require a license to breed.
“I’m not a horrible person. I’m not horrible to anyone. But people are horrible to me” Christ that made me wanna cry.😕 I hope he’s doing well.
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I cried for 5 minutes after hearing his story
“It was actually my personal dream to go to fat camp as a kid”….girl, you hit the nail on the head. I can’t say DITTO loud enough.
It's shocking to adult me how many other kids wanted to go to fat camp. I never would have admitted that to anyone as a child.
I didn't really know about fat camps, but I wanted so desperately to not be the fat kid anymore.
I started watching this channel because of my past issue with over eating. At this point, I'm noticing many people commenting things that ring so true for me as well. I'm noticing this community to be a great place to chat with people without shame or embarrassment. Your comment caused me to think of this. Nice post!
@@thatvalensteingirl I wonder why many kids dream about going to fat camp.
I understand their goals of losing weight but didn't they realized the word "camp" means boot camp?
@@kenterminateddq5311 I wanted to go because it looked fun- activities and socializing and everyone else was fat too!
It broke me when Charlotte talked about her dad’s verbal abuse and concluded with “but that’s just my dad”.
the way Charlotte’s parents treat her is so awful. i hope she’s doing okay.
Yea.. could we also acknowledge the fact that her parents are huge as well?
I don't know where they get off criticizing their kid for her size when theyre as rotund as they are..
Its heartbreaking they are total bastards
That was so hard to watch, especially when she said something like "but that's just how my dad is, I guess" like she has to do the emotional heavy lifting instead of her parents learning to understand that what they're saying is hurtful
They were horrible. I wonder if they watched this back and noticed how they talked to their daughter Vs how the other parents talked to their kids. Probably not, though 😒
I hated the end where the mother said "she was supposed to come back and re-educate us but she's just not willing..."
Like excuse me?! Your 14yo is not responsible for your adult ass. And when she's spoken to like that, how do you expect her to stand up and say no to the food you're bringing in?
That poor kid is in a bad situation and I truly hope when she grows up she escapes it and lives a great life. Whatever size I just hope she's happy.
I actually went to Camp Shane when I was 16. It changed my life for the better. I lost 18lbs in a month, put on SO much muscle, kept it off for years, and even lost more weight after I left. The workouts we did were mostly fun, like Zumba, swim, dodgeball, etc. Some of the workouts were definitely difficult, but there was a great balance between fun (like arts and crafts, drama, putting on plays, making clothes out of newspaper, dances) and hard workouts. There was also therapy and group therapy to work through the trauma of what growing up fat was like. It was such an incredible and amazing experience for me. It taught me that weight loss is possible and sustainable and what it felt like to be healthy and fit. I’m a HUGE advocate of fat camps. I will say, they’re too expensive. My parents paid 1,500$ a WEEK for me to go. But my parents said time and time again that it was worth it for my health.
Childhood obesity is a very difficult subject. I agree with you about sense of comradery these kids have when at these camps. However, in many videos about obesity in children, it seems to be a consistent thread that their parents are not even remotely helping. I have no idea how this could be addressed, but I'd love to see a video of your opinion on this aspect of childhood obesity. Thanks for the great content, what you do matters.
I understand, i had this problem, nowadays i am overwheight, and doing everything that i can not to be obese again, and i am 34 years old, i have a very low selfesteem.
@@joaopedrobaggio4475 Good luck with the journey! Let's do this together 🫡
@@delados49 thanks for your support.
I highly recommend her videos on the British series Junk Food Babies/Kids, where she discusses the role parents play in childhood obesity! There is so much to be said about childhood obesity and I’m so glad someone like Kianna who has experienced it is here to give excellent insight on it alongside her and evidence based approach.
@@Doxygurl Thanks for that info. I've only come across Kiana's channel very recently. Wish I had long ago, but she has a great community and fantastic content. Its always good to know we're not alone in the ongoing battle with eating disorders and overall weight control.
Charlotte's mum ranting about how they've been to the dieticians and know that they have a reasonably healthy diet with two pringle packs behind her tells you everything you need to know. Poor thing, hope she's been able to develop a healthy relationship with food and herself since this was filmed.
Those parents would be perfect for secret eaters
The weirdest thing about being a fat kid, was how people would make fun of you when you actively went out and did exercise. Esspecially the people closer and closer to you. Seeing so many of them in those camps just all of a sudden "being active" while they're always "lazy" at home. To the kids that made it in those camps, after having done it once, you can do it again. You've done it before and I promise you if you want to do it again, you can.
Needed to hear that last sentence more than I realised today, thanks!
My journey as an obese kid that has always been obese and just overcame as an adult, I didn't even go to the gym because I was always afraid of people making fun of me, even if they didn't say anything. Also, my family said a lot of stupid stuff like "you are being too extreme" or "you should eat more", which I proudly ignore since most of them are obese. I prefered to exercize at home and pay someone to teach what I needed to know than to face bullshit at the gym
@@blood_rose_queen damn same bro
Kid gyms are trash. I had a normal weight and I was ragged on for just looking chubby. Plus I was always picked last for everything. After I found out that adults arent massive a-holes like kids I got a fitness club membership and now I can actually enjoy exercising without dealing with all the insecurity. Adult gymbros are honestly some of the most supportive people I've met.
Exactly, like I’d say no to a sweet treat at school or something and someone would make a comment on how I was probably on a diet or be like “why wouldn’t you want that, I can tell you like them”
I was diagnosed with depression at the age of 13. I’ve always thought it wasn’t a big deal and was just normal for me. But when I heard that kid say he was depressed, I felt like crying for him. No kid should have to feel that way for a prolonged period of time.
as a person who got diagnosed with depression when I was 14 , I emphasize deeply with the kids in this video.
Damn the emo kids are here
@@lemonlime8949how does that make anyone emo, do you learn anything?
@@bowserblaster6418 do you? Little 🐱
@@lemonlime8949being depressed and being emo are two different things dumbass
Something that would've helped me a lot when I was an overweight kid (and stopped me from becoming an obese adult) is making exercise more enjoyable. It's not like I hated all sports, but the sporty kids made playing team sports in pe hell for the rest of us because they got so mad when they didn't win. I hated how I looked when I ran because I got made fun of for it once, and I hated that I ran slower than everyone else so I just stopped trying. I tried out climbing once and loved it but ended up not continuing because I hated how fat I looked in the harness in a picture my mom took of me. I did jiu jitsu for a few years and got bullied out of that too eventually. I think a lot of kids, especially fat kids, have had really bad or even traumatic experiences with exercise.
When i felt or feel this way i make it into a mindset of "against all odds i am able to do this and thats impressive" powered up in my head. In my case it was being skinny and often sick as a kid. Turn it into power. Youre badass cause you can even if this shit is against you
Totally agree! PE was really hard for me. I was a fairly active kid but never did organized team sports, just martial arts and biking, backyard baseball with the neighbourhood kids, etc. The focus on team sports in PE was horrible and made me so unconfident and reinforced my idea that I wasn’t a jock, so exercising regularly was a struggle for a long time. It was especially bad when I wound up in high school PE with a bunch of the varsity athletes. Years later I still remember getting yelled at for lack of effort because the anxiety was so strong I would freeze up playing baseball or football etc.
You are so right! I think the best way to kill childrens natural joy of moving is schools PE classes. I started belive that exercise was not for me in a similar way that drawing or hand-crafts are not for everybody.
@@erobin93 i was a pretty ballsy kid ngl, eventhough i wasnt great at everything i kept going. And i pat myself in the back when i won. Ballsy only in my own head, kind and humble to people. Is that why they dispised me? I kept learning alone too. Everything. Just for the fun of it. Books, lessons, ways to be better at atlethics while looking.. weird ig?
Same this is how I felt. I was yelled at in PE by team mates that got upset when we didn’t win or they’d refuse to let me participate because I wasn’t good enough or they’d make fun of me when I ran because my fat jiggled. I came to associate exercise with punishment. On top of that was regular bullying so I turned to food for comfort but even if I hadn’t I’d still have gained more because the majority of my diet at home was carbs. When I moved out the only things I knew how to make were pasta and potato dishes. And sad thing is, there were sports I wanted to try and enjoyed but I was either shamed into quitting or my mom couldnt afford to pay to let me take classes or join a team so I never got to pursue any of those interests. In some ways it felt like I was actively discouraged from doing anything physical. I creeped into obesity when I stopped going outside all together because I didn’t want the neighborhood kids to make fun of me. I remember trying to diet a couple times when I was around 10 to 13 but I didn’t know how to aside from just don’t eat and not surprisingly it never lasted long. Especially when my family members were eating junk in front of me and I didn’t understand how my much taller brothers were able to eat so much more than me and still be skinny while I was fat. Tho now that we’ve all stopped growing and are creeping towards 30 I’m not the only one with a gut anymore. 😅
Listening to the way Charlotte's parents spoke about her broke my heart. The parents obviously don't want to accept any responsibility for the health and wellbeing of their daughter
When I was 15 I went to a similar camp, altough much more sensible - we learned about healthy food, basic cooking and preparing healthy foods, did a lot of sports, but without drill sergeants. I wanted to go myself and my parents paid after some convincing (far less than 25,000 €, more like 500-600 EUR or so. It really helped in the beginning and I lost a couple of kg during the camp and managed to keep it off for a couple of months. However, then I learned: All this is useless if your family is not on your side. My whole family was overweight and they always complaint about me eating to much - they still bought all the junk food - just gave me an earful when I actually ate it as soon as they brought it home. But they never supported me when I wanted to do something active, and with my mom cooking mainly the traditional, unhealthy food of our country I gained the weight back and added some over the years. Long story short: It doesn't help to send you kid to such a camp, when you continue to feed your kid shitty food once their back home.
Its often the parents that had to go to the fat camp, not the kid
Exactly my worry; kids don't buy groceries or cook food. Even if they know better, often they can't do better at home.
@@PeaceOfMake I think that`s why it`s important for parents to include their kids in grocery shopping and making food in general. Tbh I started cooking my own food after school when I was 9 y old. At first simpler dishes(baked potatoes, omelette etc) and when teenager-healthier foods from the cookbook. My parents bought me ingredients I wrote on the stick-it-note. I`ve find it surprising how in many households kids/teens are not making their own food or don`t know how to cook at all. Unsure why a 14y old can`t convince their parents to give them right to cook food some of the nights or buy grocieries to make their own food. Then again, families are different and if you`ve never had any high expectations to be independent and are being treated poorly, they may not even think about this option.
@@Lmao-md3wl 100% correct 😅
They complained about you eating too much, because they are nad at themselves for their own lack of control. It's hard growing up with overweight parents, and it's even harder to grow up with overweight parents who have low self esteem.
I remember an old Reddit thread about a young teenager who was obese and being sent to a weight loss camp, and he _really_ didn't want to go. So he actually refused to cooperate and stayed in his bunk all day until they had no other choice but to send him back home. He didn't crack even when he didn't get any meals.
That was a crazy story! He ended up having a heart attack at 15 and then got motivated to lose weight
This was a really emotional watch as a former fat kid. I remember fantasizing about fat camp, being old enough to do weight watchers (it was 10+ at the time), etc. I wish so much that there were more of those programs like the British one you looked at to let these kids learn healthier habits in a low judgment environment that helps them build confidence. Instead we often get stuff like WW’s failed kids app.
The segment at 13:20 is just heartbreaking. Imagine hearing your own mom (or any adult) talk about you in such a contemptuous way. For a teenager, that must be devastating. And her dad is no better. I hope Charlotte can find the positive support she deserves at some point in her life
She wasn't even a teen, only 11 😢😢
I was threatened often to be sent to fat camp ( I was a heavier child). Yet nothing was being done at home to change the quality of food or my habits. That constant threat messed with me mentally as a kid. I've tried very unhealthy ways to lose weight as a kid in order to avoid being sent away..As an adult, I have made that change on my own in a healthy way. To the point where the adults who didn't help in my childhood accused me of anna. Luckily I didn't let those comments get to me and have kept off everything for well over 10 years now.
Whats anna
@@durschfalltv7505 anorexia.
@@durschfalltv7505 Shortening of anorexia.
You don’t need to be thin
So very happy for you. "Fat camp" is not the answer. So many problems.s that could go wrong.
i just want to give Charlotte a huge hug. hearing how she was being treated by her parents broke my heart and got me emotional.
I was once in a fat camp, but in Europe (not the UK). I was the oldest and ran away from it (with parents' permission) after 3 days, we were very missold on it. I remember barely being given any food, forcing kids like me who normally do 0 physical activity to suddenly do gym sessions and bike rides. For lunch I got an apple on day 2, which I ate during the 5km bike ride, and got yelled at for not waiting till activity was over. I lost close to 5kg, and they were deeming that success (weigh in every day or every other day, I don't remember now).
Basically, too hardcore of changes, too quickly, and just jumping at forcing the sweat offz calling it 'weight loss'. I went there willingly hoping for knowledge and a bit of exercise, not whatever this was.
Your parents allowed you to run away? I mean what did you do ….hitchhike home?
You learned what in three days?
I'm surprised you had that much to say.
@@honestlynate7922 not much learnt, a lot endured, point of my post. It was pure physical activity with minimal food, from morning till late evening. There was no health screening before the camp, like with a nurse or doctor, just a form my parents filled in stating if I had diabetes (I didn't). I only recall a brief session with the nutritionist who said the bare minimum (eat around 1200 kcal to lose weight, be active). Going from 0 to 100 like that was unexpected and I couldn't deal with it for more than I did.
A five-kilometre bike ride is nothing. It's was only 3 days.
I eat a 120 calorie protein shake for breakfast
For lunch I usually have three eggs and one piece of toast.
You didn't learn anything in three days especially not enough to keep saying all this stuff.
You didn't go through anything traumatic you really need to calm down
@@honestlynate7922 idk what you eat for dinner but that sounds like something i'd see from a ED twt
I felt so bad for the 14 year old my mum died when I was 8 and I also was a fat kid due to my father not saying no and also not knowing how to cook. Beeing fat as a child is so horrible,kids really treat you bad. Also my father picked on my weight so much that even when I lost weight and was skinny, I still thought I was fat. After a depression I gained back 30kg when I saw old pictures of me I was shocked that I thought I was fat when I really wasn’t.Him saying I am not a horrible person broke my heart.
I get so excited whenever I see a new video from you. You put so much effort and care into research and production. You are a truly valuable voice in this conversation.
🥺actually said 'awww' out loud! thank you very much!
@@KianaDocherty you're welcome! Your videos helped me a lot when I was first starting out losing weight. I have lost 108lbs now and am basically done, and I always refer you to people who need help. Particularly with the behavior change aspect. If you've ever doubted that you make a positive impact, here's some proof that you do!
@@KianaDocherty youre awesome😊
An idealized version of fat camp was also my dream as a kid. I had clinical depression since I was 10 and used food to cope. I always the biggest or one of the biggest girls in class. I loved the idea of a camp of nice adults like my teachers helping me reach my goals and only being surrounded by peers who could empathize with my struggle
I noticed some of the parents are heavy. No matter how good your camp system is it isn't going to work long term if the whole family doesn't make an effort towards a healthy lifestyle. I like the idea of kids being able to talk about their experiences though (especially bullying / body image issues).
I lost about 60 lbs in the past 2 years (about 10 ish regain that I'm working on), which I began when I was 15. I am very proud of myself for losing the weight but I remain to hate how I look. I started watching your videos more recently and it's making me feel a lot better with the remainder of my weight loss process.
Don't give up, I think you will succeed, especially in your teen years is very critical for lifetime success.
@Rick Games Thank you! I went from 200 to 140, to about 150 (usually like 148, 149) and it's just been a little bit of a struggle to get back down to where I was.
Sadly, losing weight doesn't make you like yourself.
That's something you have to work on no matter how much you weigh.
You should be proud of yourself for even losing that weight in the first place. You did what many, many people would not do.
@@PeaceOfMake yeah, something that helped me try to do more sustainable things to lose weight rather than hardcore diets that I couldn’t keep up with was seeing someone say “if you hate yourself now why wouldn’t you hate yourself when you’re skinny”. It was such an eye opening thing to read because in my head at that time if I lost weight I’d be so great and I’d have the best life ever but that’s not the reality
Ugh, genuinely heartbroken when you said the fat camp in the UK was sponsored by MvDonalds 😪
That was such a let down.
I think I heard (at 17:26 ) it was just the lunch, not the camp 🤷🏻♀️
I mean, isn’t a company that sells fast food can acknowledge it’s not healthy and sponsor a camp encouraging better eating not a good thing?
I’m objectively healthy, but love an occasional Big Mac, the point is people are accountable for over eating these unhealthy foods like McDonalds.
@H. Vicente I totally get where you're coming from and on the surface, it may seem like a well-intentioned thing. You're right, people are responsible for the choices they make but there is a lot of science and manipulation that goes into making fast food as addictive as possible so the choice becomes an automatic habit.
Also, the problem with someone like McDonald's sponsoring a camp like this is that they are marketing for themselves under this guise of altruism while simultaneously keeping people addicted to their food. If they were really concerned about balanced diets, they would sell healthier options again like snack wraps and salads. Kianna does great videos and explains all this much better than I just did 🤣
@@vichentez Hi Objectively Healthy, I'm DAD!!!
One of those documentaries, I really feel like most of the kids that went in felt they were doing the right thing and they had goals. Xander was one of my favourite stories from that documentary, he was so motivated and it was heart warming.
Man is a warrior
bruh those parents calling their sweet kid lazy made me wanna cry bc i feel her dam. like take her out on a beautiful hike, help her find fun shit outside that she enjoys, show her basic kindness & acceptance & maybe she would enjoy playing frisbee with u like jeez. ur the ones who control all her beliefs about herself & life. everyone should have their parents caring about their health mental & physical.
I found my older sisters 12/13 year old diary and she really wanted to lose weight and wrote about her diet of basically trying to starve the weight away. She wanted to go to fat camp really bad as well. Both my older and younger sister really struggled with obesity as a children and it's really sad to hear how they talked to themselves as kids.
Hearing the parents talk was so painful.
My hart breaks for the kids.
So much done so wrong.
I went to fat camp as a kid. it was actually a really great experience, but they didn't consider that a lot of us had eating disorders so once we left that controlled environment, we would just go back to binging. It's not a fix, just a delay, so parents can feel good about themselves like they actually tried something.
they should use smart methods like
- healthy eating
- long walks
- teaching about the industrial complex food scheme
- diet coke microdosing
- introducing kids to esoteric scientific discussion
- learning about the macronutrients
- traditional butchering
- thorough discussion of governement dietary guidelines
- bulgarian weightlifting
- basketweaving
just my 2 cents
Cooking! And baking, which allows you to visually see how much sugar, butter, flour goes into sweets.
- Cocaine
- Methamphetamine
- Heroin
- Dinitrophenol
- Clenbuterol
- Trenbolone
- Dianabol
- Winstrol
- Morphine
- Codeine
- Oxycodone
Diet Coke microdosing?
@@puppycat9412 sounds like fun little adventure to the ED
Pfft. Just make your kids be really active since the start and give them as healthy as you can food that is according to their calories w/o mentioning calories
the kids talking about their experiences made me tear up :( i'm so sad that they had to go through that
I am so intrinsically worried for all these kids. If the parents arent joining fat camp in some sessions/capacity it's most likely an absolute failure. Doesnt matter the age. It's beyond me how this point is so neglected and it only makes sense if (and I hope thats not the case) the aim is to get multiple visits from a kid, so it's buisnuess.
agreed. when they have brat camps they have the parents come in for education sessions so they can learn where they might be going wrong with their parenting style and how they can change it. OK there will e some parents that refuse to take home the message but at least they are trying to give the kids a fighting chance when they leave. The parents should be coming in for a weekend of cooking lessons, meal planning lessons, shopping lessons and lessons in how to say no- as a minimum.
i went to camp shane and I loved it, getting to play sports and do aerobics everyday and have the energy to do it after like 2 weeks do to the regimen was one of my favorite childhood experiences.
it felt great to be able to play sports with other kids and not feel overwhelmed by being the fat kid no one wants on your team.
I think the issue was these kids were addicted to fast food and had mentality of I hate this. I remember kids crying when we went out of the camp to go to a lake. 3/4th of the bus was yelling and howling when we passed a McDonald's. i was raised in a latino family and food was cooked every night and was thinking " wtf these people crying over not having McDonald's"
also at Camp Shane, I had great counselors one who was the guy from fat camp show. i didnt know that at the time since I hadnt watched it. everything was fair imo and I loved every moment of it personally. i think kids just like to cry and complain
The saddest thing of all this is their families I imagine they were shut down when they came home with their new found confidence and eating habits. The weight loss journey is hard and I would love to be able to set up a place to educate families wholly about how to traverse the terrain.
I’ve been watching Kiana awhile and didn’t realize she’s Canadian until she mentioned toonies. This isn’t the first time I’ve discovered a content creator that I enjoy is Canadian and it always makes me happy (unreasonably so sometimes. Lol). ❤ 🇨🇦
It’s always a great day when Kiana posts 🎉
She is beautiful and very intelligent, a rare kind of woman.
Rude!
We’re not that rare.
I cannot imagine sending my kids away for 5 weeks in the summer. My youngest won't even stay away for a 1wk sleepover camp. These boot camp style places sound so extreme. I agree Kiana - psychology and fun so necessary
Five weeks does sound like a lot. My daughter loves summer camp but it's only one week. If she was only seven I'd never allow her away for so long.
New video! Let's gooo 🔥🔥🔥
The parents blaming the kids for their weight is infuriating, and I can empathise. My mother is the worst for this. She buys endless sugary treats (chocolate, chips, coke etc.) and then gets angry if you don't eat it because "it's such a waste". She also serves gigantic portions for each meal and is upset if you don't finish it all, like it's a slight on her cooking. The emotional guilt tripping is constant. The month I moved out I lost 5kg/11lbs without trying
Wow, just another great video as always. I really like how you can just go on and on about these subjects without repeating yourself. Keep up the good work!❤
thank you very much!!!
You approach your videos with a rare compassion I do not see often enough. Thank you for your efforts.
Kiana, I just wanted to let you know that your videos have helped me a lot with my personal weight loss/health journey. The in-depth knowledge you provide has changed my life in so many ways. Thank you so much for creating interesting, entertaining, and helpful content.
I lost a lot of weight myself, around 80lbs, I feel amazing and am very proud of all my hard work.
Well done you should be
gigachad
As you should!!
I was never an overweight child or an overweight teenager, but I became obese in the pandemic, even though I became thin again I feel very sorry for people in this situation, especially kids the pain these kids feel breaks my heart, it makes me angry that parents force their children to go to this fat camp and when the child returns will get fat again because of the parents :/
It really made me sad when the young blonde girl was getting bashed by her mom and dad. She seemed so kind. She smiled through it. IMO that was a form of verbal/ mental abuse. Making a child think they're just lazy, and fat because of their own doing. Her parents were cowards, shame on them. They're the lazy ones for bullying their daughter instead of doing the hard work to change and raise their children in a (mentally and physically) healthy environment. They were really gaslighting her. Words like theirs are enough to make a kid depressed. That's what leads to self hate & low self esteem.
tru that one hit different for some reason
In my youngest years, I was on the chunky side. Like, not fat, but had more meat on me than my skinny cousins. I will say, I remember eating more than I should, but I was still in the healthy weight range for my age. After my parents divorced at age 10, I lived with my mom for a couple of years. She was gone all the time. And out of guilt, she would leave me candy, cakes, and cookies. So I learned at 11 years old, when you're sad, you eat. I packed on the pounds quickly after that. I'm 35 now and weigh 295lbs. I have my own kids. They are all a healthy weight. I refuse to teach my kids the lesson that my mom taught me. You can struggle with weight and not pass that problem on to your kids. All that said, sometimes the parents are 100% to blame in the creating of eating problems. And sometimes (like with my thin dad who I spent the rest of my childhood with) they just don't know how to help.
I'm sorry about your childhood experiences. It's really fantastic that you are helping your children avoid the trap that you were led into. Parenting must be very difficult. You sound like a good mom! 💐
@@dronesclubhighjinks thank you so much. It is definitely hard being a parent. You bring all your own issues into parenthood with you. As a mom now, I do understand why my mom did what she did, because that's what her mom did. But I do not want my boys struggling with their weight for the rest of their lives.
@@trackydoo I wish the parents of these kids would do what you’re doing! Some of these parents are hindering their children out of apathy (“ I don’t know why he’s gaining weight? Oh well. I can’t do anything about it anyway.”) and others are emotionally abusive (“ she’s so lazy and doesn’t have any friends.”). I think I would have died of humiliation if my mom had said that to one person, and both of these parents were saying it on television, so the whole world could see it. I had the feeling they both actually despised their 11-yo daughter and they were making no effort at all to help her. It was almost like they got some twisted satisfaction out of her getting bigger so they could be even meaner to her. Probably they can’t stand themselves and are projecting that onto this poor kid. She has that type of childhood where I wish she would get her letter from Hogwarts already.
Your children are lucky to have you for a mom! 👏😃🙌
I think the difference between the fat camp of Kianas Dreams and the fat camp in the movie is the adults. Their intent is the biggest factor to the success of these children and teens. It’s honestly telling that the only good fat camp ran out of funding. If it can create profit the original ideas go out the window in favor of monetary gain. Individual Mindsets are the powerhouse of change, the entire outcome around these camps are correlated to the core values of the camp. Profit or Effectiveness. I personally think that food corporations are to blame when they start engineering addiction, but I also think that the individual has a responsibility to improve their self with this information and more. Children and teens need information on these topics, so PLEASE keep making these Kiana! Lovely Video 9/10 🙂
Please keep the videos coming Kiana!
I went to that camp in the UK. Honestly it was no different. I was on a 500-700 kcal diet and exercising 3h a day. They had way to many kids to give any education on things and didn't give any info on eating disorders (which I realised years later that I had). Their whole approach was "try to get as close to 0 grams of fat per day as possible" I did lose a significant amount of weight following that. 8 kgs in 3 weeks there and there a further 13kg in the next months. Then their diet fell apart because it was unrealistic and I gained it all back and more over the next 2 years. Im just sharing this to say, there was a positive effect and I did seek it out myself, but in the end most of the programmes are not actually well built to lead to successful weight loss long term. Still, it was interesting to hear your thoughts
This video is so exciting. I wanted to go to Fat Camp as a kid too! My mom said I wasn’t allowed to go to sleep away camp, and father (who was obese his entire life) said that I might have fun but the weight wouldn’t stay off.
I relate to Jonathan’s story. My dad passed away when I was 4 and unfortunately my mom, sister, and I found him deceased in his bed. That is a memory that is seared in my brain. Although I didn’t quite understand what was happening at the time, I knew it was bad based on the reactions of the adults around me. One of his neighbors was an elderly lady who had my sister I come into her apartment while my mom spoke to the paramedics and firemen. She offered us some ice cream as a distraction. I think that’s where my problems with food began. I never received therapy or counselling for what happened so anytime I felt upset or anxious or anything negative, I remembered how that ice cream made me feel better and would then emotionally eat to soothe myself. Of course I got chunkier and chunkier and was definitely on the obese scale for a child at certain points. I got made fun of by kids at school and even had nasty and rude comments made to me by adults, some who were my own family! I really feel so sorry for the child version of me and wish I could hold her and tell her everything was gonna be ok, that she’s not worthless and her weight isn’t her fault since she is just a child who doesn’t know any better. I did take control of my health in my mid 20’s and finally became a healthy weight for the first time in my adult life. I owe it to myself to never give up and even though it still struggle at times, I know it’s worth it.
I was in a fat camp at 12 and was one of the skinniest kids. I was told that I was sent there due to my negativity (yeah right, I was still tubby). The kicker is that all us kids were told DAY ONE that we would only get one serving for dinner everyday. And everyone LOST. THEIR. SHIT, except -supposedly negative- me.
The irony was almost palpable haha.
Funny thing is though, that camp was heavily focused on making physical activity FUN. So it was a great time. Didn't stop me from being a fat kid after returning home however. Turns out the problem wasn't necessary just because of me, but the shit food my parents dragged home on the regular.
You’re such a kind person, it’s so positive and wholesome 😊
She’s like the good teatcher
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Great content as always. People tend to underestimate how much our environment (aka homelife) and the habits of those around us can make or break kids building positive habits.
Sad to hear the Camp that took a measured and holistic approach to health and weight loss lost their funding. Kids need to be empowered to make good decisions, not tempted and undermined at every turn.
As an "ex-fat" kid I can say that a unhealthy childwood can and will affect your confidence, body image, and other psychological effects that we have to fight every time we look at the mirror and talk about our routines, even when you get "in to shape". Thanks for the video, helps a lot.
The mom complaining about Charlotte not educating the family: was the family prepared to be educated by Charlotte?
It is very sad to hear these kid’s stories, as I once was a fat kid myself and I know what it feels like to hate yourself and to be bullied at school. Even my friends made fun of my weight. This turned into an eating disorder in 7th-8th grade and went unnoticed by my parents and everyone around me. I pray that these children can truly find health and happiness aside from crazy parents or horribly intense fat camps.
Oh my, I started tearing up hearing Johnathan's story. My brother is 17 and he had to drop out of school due to being bullied for his weight and his behaviour issues (that stem from surviving the christchurch earthquakes that started when he was about 5, along with him bein autustic). It's hard to see because he comes off as so angry and so mad, but inside he's like that kid. He's constantly hurting and it's so hard seeing that and being powerless to help.
Edit: unless there's a Jonathan McEvoy with the same birth year and story from Lancashire, it appears he is a professional cyclist. I'm so happy for the guy.
For anyone trying to lose weight, here is my advise:
1: Sustainability and Consistency is key. You cannot drastically change your diet and expect to stick to it. Start by eating just a bit lesser each week (be it one snack lesser or one side dish lesser etc, keep track).
2: Start with weight training, alot of people trying to lose weight starts with cardio and it is hard to keep up with it, especially if you are overweight, it is alot of strain on your legs. Start with weight training and keep it simple and within your doable timeframe, I go to the gym 30mins to an hour everyday and is doing great. Incoporate cardio once you are comfortable with this lifestyle.
3: As mentioned in point 1, do not drastically change your diet as you are not going to be stick to it. But once you made the small changes cutting down on what you eat, thereafter do try to go for a healther option. As mentioned, sustainability is key, find healthier option that you like to eat and slowly change. For example, if you like meat, try to get more salmon or chicken breasts first, if you hate veggies try different kind of potatoes and slowly incorporate other veggies into your diet, with these small changes you will slowly be more open and more daring to try out different things.
Start slow, don't get too uncomfortable too quickly, challenge yourself step by step and make sure it is SUSTAINABLE.
Thank you
this may be a bit different but when I was 14i legit wanted to go to a conversion camp. but now I'm very much happy with who I am
Fun fact: Heavyweights was the first movie I ever saw in the theater without my parents. 😂 I learned a lot about expectations vs reality that day.
My brother and I are in our 30s and quote it all the time. Lunch is canceled due to lack of hustle!
I attended Exeter's Wellspring Academy in the UK when I was 19, for 30 days. I was 130 kg back then. My experience was actually quite amazing. Our coaches were awesome people, very positive, understanding and supportive. The camp provided us with additional support even after we returned home. I did not experience anything negative like the things being described in your doc. I lost 9 kg in a month. And the general experience changed my mentality so much that actually put me in a steady road of change and wellbeing. I weigh 85 kg now, 10 years later.
My point is, not all "fat camps" are bad. Some consist of people that actually care and they help a lot of children worldwide.
Every summer when I was a teenager I went to camp for a week. Each time, I lost five pounds because of all the fun physical activities I got to do, like swimming, hiking, canoeing, etc. So, it's silly to make kids engage in boot camp type exercises that make them miserable. I've watched a fat camp documentary where kids were being yelled at to exercise. It accomplished nothing.
I worked at a Jewish summer camp for 3 summers in a row in Cleveland, GA. Because I worked my butt off from 7am until 11 pm with on call every 3 days (yes we had a day off every 4th), my children got to experience camp. They still talk about how much they loved Camp Coleman and my children are in their 20’s. They were literally on the go from 730 am until 11 pm every day for 3.5 weeks. They ate white bread (something they’d never had before) and drank gallons of bug juice (also something they never had before) but because they were so busy every day, weight wasn’t an issue. Ironically I would say that obesity factor was very low - maybe 5% and that’s with 250-300 children.
I also have lovely memories of working there. This was back in the early 2000’s
Interesting video. I like how you hold personal agency, empathy, and annoyance so well on these topics. 🙃
Poor poor Jonathan ❤ I really hope he’s doing okay. What a sweetheart, life really isnt fair sometimes.
McDonald’s act so unabashedly like corpo villains it’s almost stranger than fiction. Real life feels like parody sometimes. Your channel really emphasizes this, which is why your videos are captivating. Can’t wait to see what you make next!
I have been watching for so long and never realized you were Canadian too 🤦♀️. But this video was very insightful. The moment the young boy said he was disappointed in his 1lb weightloss, I also felt as if someone should be there to let them know how amazing that is and how amazing they are.
Being in Zander’s position at the same time in my life, it breaks my heart to hear how disappointed he was when he only lost 18 lbs. he desperately wanted to be happy and I wish he could know how proud he should feel. I hope he’s doing well now and can be happy
Charlotte put me to tears 😢 I hope she’s doing better now it’s not fair how rude her parents were 🥺🥺
Great video Kiana! I'm really enjoying the consistency of uploads and go the length of your videos. Keep up the great work! Cant wait for the next video :)
When I was 12, I went to a sleep away camp, just a regualr camp for two weeks, and lost 12 lbs. Just meals, no snacks, lots of activities. I ate rice crispies with honey over them for breakfast, from the salad bar for lunch and some of the junkiest food for dinner.
"It's my own fault for eating them." Kid is wiser than most his age, he'll go places with the right attitude.
This channel strikes an objective chord you don't see very often on the internet. I have struggled with my weight, or at least my own perception of my weight, since I left high school, and my sister and I talk about it all the time. It's so refreshing to know there are people who think like we do about this stuff. Also, big fan of Heavyweights.
I can't (well, I can) believe the mom putting all the blame on poor Charlotte, while there are TWO PRINGLE CANS in the background. Suuuure it's her lack of activity, not the food you're buying and putting in the house.
A "fat camp" that would actually be beneficial would be a fun summer camp that introduces the kids to physical activities they enjoy in fun ways, and show them how to make healthy but tasty food. A system that would SHOW them how to make the right choices and reward them when they do. Way too many of these shows PUNISH the ppl just for being fat. Which is horrible to the kids mentally and will make them not want to lose weight.
One word - environment. I saw it time and time again, on myself and on others. Children are mirroring their parents and the environment they grow up in. I usually try to be open about these things, but I can't this time. It's only the parents' fault - nobody else's. You don't start overeating just by yourself, you are either forced by your family or are mimicking others (especially with unhealthy, caloric dense foods) so much so, you become addicted.
And the ending of this video sums it up really well. The kids have the drive, but when it's their parents who sabotage their hopes, there is not that much they can do until they can start living on their own. But then, it may be way too late, because their mental health will be devastated and crooked from all the bullying and negative self image.
I think the ideal camp would have the parents visit on the weekends for coaching classes of their own. None of these parents seem to know what to do to help their families be healthy!
These kids need a hug not a camp. It's so sad to watch
no they need help
What's sad about the U.S. is that politicians are not focused on kids/the youth being overweight more so they are focused on the kids not being gay, half the country is like this.
Hi Kiana I love ur vids. I used to be well over 30% body fat at over 220 pounds. Now I weigh 170 and can bench the old me :D
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I walk a lot, and I have a job that has me doing a lot of physical work. It's good to just keep being productive, because even though it's small, it changes you. I love that some of these kids genuinely enjoyed being there at the camp. They were determined to change themselves for the better. Personally, I think the parents should've stocked up on healthier foods for when their kids returned, so that they could be persuaded to keep living the lifestyle they started. What a nice video this was. :)
I feel badly for these kids because often times they need healthy habits in the home. I’m not saying I’m the most fit, nor am I a fanatical health nut, but my kids and I are are healthy weight. I think one of the biggest contributors to weight gain (at least within my family and friends) is emotional eating. Food is used for comfort, celebration, appeasement, etc. that emotional tie to food makes it really hard to lose weight because it’s entrenched in the emotional well-being of the individual. I try so hard not to use food in that way. I don’t want my children to have a an emotional reaction to food.
11:38 My niece's elementary school started teaching them about depression and self harm in 2nd grade. It was an eye opener, and that was a few years ago.
Omg I’ve never known anyone else who’s said they wanted to go to fat camp, but I did it too. When I was 10, I actually drafted up this whole plan for a charter school for fat kids because I recognized that the stress of school, food there, and lack of activity was causing me to gain more weight. I dreamed of something that would be like “The Biggest Loser” for kids
19:29 The kid can’t re-educate the family! They don’t make the dinners, stock the cupboards with junk or buy the groceries! Unless the parent changes, there is little hope for the child.
I flippin' hate that mom laughing about giving in and bringing chips into her house... you're deliberately trying to kill your kid or ruin his life so that he could end up very sick or suffering from poor mental health. It is not funny. Jesus do I ever want to punch parents who deliberatly force their child into obesity.
I went to camp pocono trails (the fat camp with the red buildings) this past year and they definitely changed a lot. They changed from a fat camp to a "health and wellness camp" now they take in kids who are underweight, addicted to computers and drugs, crippling depressed, and fat. They changed from a strict military style to more of a self-input style. Whatever you put in, you get out. In the three weeks I was there people were proud of the weight they lost. The only problems now are that it is only guaranteed to be effective for overweight people. I went there 20 pounds underweight and lost an additional 5 pounds. The next problem was people with bad habits can sometimes have bad attitudes, one kid had a complete temper tantrum (he was 14) and was screaming and crying throwing his items around the bunk. One kid got bullied out within a week (he was meant to be there for 7 weeks) because he talked like a Redditor and always wore a fedora. The food there is good but it is meant to help you lose weight not be gourmet. If the parents advertise the camp like a regular and fun summer camp (like they do on their website) then you will go there and everything will be disappointing.
I loved Heavyweights 😂 I always wondered if Stiller’s character was the same guy in Dodgeball under a different name
man i was thinking that too!!! "At globo gym we're better than you, and we know it"
You randomly appeared in my feed last week and I found myself watching all of your content. Thank you for the all the well done content.
I agree with most of your observations. And...they're kids. The second they're released from Starve a Developing Child Camp they're going to come home, scrape up as many quarters from the couch that they can find and say "I'm going for a bike ride with my new healthy habits!" and ride to the Wawa for Snoballs.
My older sister went to fat camp twice when we were growing up. I was SO jealous of her getting to go and coming back looking amazing. Meanwhile I was stuck at home with my 80’s diet obsessed mom eating Jenny Craig , or on a diet of grapefruit, Melba toast, tuna, and cottage cheese. SMH, after 30 years of an eating disorder, which eventually became just disordered eating I finally decided to change my life 3 years ago and lost a hundred pounds. I feel great and I believe I have finally mastered eating to LIVE instead of living to EAT.
I desperately wanted to go to fat camp as a young teen too. It’s awful seeing the negative environments. I don’t know if it’s a generational thing, but parents were allowed to be a lot more overtly meaner in the 90s!