@@angrybrit7331 what positives? we have been waiting 6 years for you to tell us some. maybe, just maybe, there are none and you are too stupid to realise?
Basically all of UK's problems when it comes to the relation with the EU and also the role the UK has post Brexit in a multilateral world are both very very well discussed in this interview. Never heard 2 people seeming to discuss Brexit in a positive undertone speak so realistically about it.
From the perspective of Europe... We'll miss you culturally, but in every other way the UK has been the trojan horse time and again for the destructive and greedy ways of the US. A word of advice from a US-dwelling European... Choose your food VERY carefully when the food supply becomes tainted with US goods.
Very true. But there are at least SOME guidelines for what is legally allowed to be food, more than the USA. Sadly, glyphosate is everywhere. They are finding it in infants who have not even started eating solid foods yet.
@@LZE. you wont you'll get this is great... lovely cheap prices.... except it wont be because on wto rules most countries hate Britain... and people already trading with the eu arent allowed to give britain a better deal hence why they took 7-10 years to complete trade deals. But believe your propaganda....
@Social Gadfly 1.) Who have I called a terrorist? 2.) I call, for example, Manchester child murder Salam Abedi a terrorist, because he is one. Wouldn't you agree? Or does that make you flood your manpon?
@Adam Bomb don’t come crawling back to me when it all goes wrong for you. You don’t have the sense to work it out for yourselves. You are all sheep. Im weeping now. You should be ashamed of yourself for doing this to poor little me. Ps you didn’t know what you were voting for in the first place so it’s actually an error and we should have another referendum. Hope your chips are now well and truly salted sir !
@@ITristan Oh dear this is an example of the Jo Swinson theory that confirms Manchester city did not in fact win the Premiership last year. Because all the other teams won more points. Hmmmmm Elections and referendums are 'won' under the rules of that vote. And in General Elections it is the party with the most seats. In other words as Manchester City did they won the most 'games' (seats) and therefore won the title. and an 80+ seat majority is very much 'overwhelming' as the Remainer Lords found out this week.
@Andrew H Indeed and well said. 4 votes under 3 different voting systems and the Leave side won every one. It just took a massive 'What part of Leave do you not understand?' in December to clear the Remainer swamp in Parliament. The difference now is staggering...
There isn't going to be any drama...remember BoJo surrendered Northern Ireland to EU in his withdrawal deal....trade deal is going to be the same and even easier for him with a full Parliament majority...the trick is just "get Brexit done" ASAP..
Very interesting interview but I'm disappointed there's no mention of the trade deficit and the fact that the UK imports far more than it exports and the leverage that can be used with that statistic.
It's because it is not very important. Overall, the UK is losing a market of 445m people and an economy of 12.000bn and 44% of its export and 53% of its import preferential markets. The EU is losing a market of 65m people, with an economy of 3.000bn, and preferential access to 7% its exports and 6% import markets.
@MrKingdig Yes, well, that 1.4-1.5% growth rate assumes an orderly exit and a gradual shift to a new trade relationship with the EU. That is, it does not assume no extension of the transition period.
First, if you assume there will be a deal, it is obvious you assume PM will not ask for a delay. 😒But I will not bet the former, so forget about the later, because HMgov and most UK still think EU want a FT deal with UK at any cost. Be sure, they don't want it a the cost of the 4 freedom 👌 Second, has anybody forgot about NI ? If the deal does not ecompass NI specifics, or if we go for #NoDeal2 GFA is de facto dead in the water. US Congress has clearly drawn a line here (this is a bipartisan PoV) : no FT. Third, if you assume that Scotland will let the PM sleep quietly this year, so that he can focuses on the new FTs. Don't bet on this too 🤫 Season 5 of "The Brexit" will be intense and longer than some thinks. But no bindge watching available 🤭
The divergence is not determined by elections, hardcore brexiteers determine the divergence and it will be massive, even though it will seriously harm a majority of british civilians.
All this comment is predictable and sound .we all know Brexit will have costs. And all the decenting voices have is EU are doomed or UK will prosper ,but have zero argument how this is possible, so ranting and raving is the go to by default, for the useful idiots!
@MrKingdig I have looked very hard to find where you came across the IMF prediction , with no success. All I can find is a projected growth of 0.5% on the assumption that UK ends 2020 with a stable relationship with the EU. The IMF is projecting EU economy increasing to 1.8% in the latest report in November 2019 . So I have no idea where you are getting your figures from, do you have a link ?
I can not imagine the EU and EES countries would ever allow a deal witch is good for the UK. The UK left and they would have to live with it. It's like the Brits think they will automatically get good deals with the EU/EES. Hahaha
@ I suppose you love an atomic bomb for Uk Economy, deal with it :) Christmas is so tasty for turkeys..
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@@pietro.pirozzi I suppose you haven't done any actual research into economic forecasts? Enjoy your version of "Democracy" until the EU comes crumbling down. We're gone :)
The UK is really a small market compared to the EU. It is the EU and countries surrounding the EU that are the future for trade. If the UK wants to trade with the US expect to be pressured by the US to not just accept chlorinated chicken but to turn down trade with the EU until they also agree to accept chlorinated chicken. Shipping foodstuffs prone to bacterial infection over long distances is unsafe without bacterial retardant. Chlorine evaporates when exposed to air. The US doesn't see much profit in trade with the UK unless Americans can buy up UK businesses and make a profit from exporting UK products back to the US at favorable discounts. So the UK market is not as important as an actual trade partner as it is as a bully club to use to punish the EU for not allowing the US to market within the EU under special dispensations. Practicality is needed when dealing as an outsider. It is not enough to have trade deals with bigger, richer and more productive countries. There must be a willingness to make sweetheart deals in which you might have to do errands which may seem shameful at first, but which will get you a toe hold into something much better than you can actually afford.
@Matt Forde That would require getting those better terms. Britain is not in an ideal position for any negotiation. They simply don't have that much to offer than the EU. The EU is a huge market, rich et cetera. UK is much smaller and without any deal, that makes them desperate for a deal. India for example wants VISA free access and travel restrictions and migration restrictions to be reduced by the UK. What Japanese Trade deal are you talking about? www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/10/16/business/u-k-eyes-post-brexit-trade-deal-japan-hand-may-not-strong-thinks/#.Xi22XmhKiUk
@Matt Forde Not good but forecast for 2020 is 1% growth. Obviously depends a lot on the world economy. 1200 wow, that surely is a lot compared to the millions in the EU. Project fear is a propaganda term coined by Leave so that any bad news can be shrugged off.
Only thing we can say for sure is until a deal is signed Britain has to do as Europe says with no say over those decisions .. the rest is up in the air.
England has a choice, negotiate so Scotland gets the exact same deal as Northern Ireland and remains inside the Single Market and customs union, or rejoin the EU, forcing you to join the Euro and Schengen zone as well. Or you will have English independence forced on you by the people of Scotland. Tic Tok. Scottish independence will not wait much longer.
@Matt Forde "You lost" 'We / I won' Why don't you start a civil war to put an end to this matter. That way there will be actual winners and the people who die we will call the losers.
if Eu will give no deal, no access to services, no access to banking,no access to euro clearing THAT IS FINE for me.. EU will be so better without all time crying racist UK
You are correct, it's not stealing, but you really need to see the size of the boats and the size of their fleet, ask the fishermen of Grimsby, it's truly mindboggling.
@@09464 "You are correct, it's not stealing" I know I am correct, and I think Andy does too. He posts guff. Why do I need to see the size of the ships used? I've already seen ships that big.
@@emm_arr the reason the EU is worried about fishing. Is because if they don't have access to our waters. They run a risk of overfishing In their waters.
Putin is laughing into his blinis over this all. No wonder the JIC report in Russian interference in British politics is being suppressed! Who would have thunk it? The Conservatives and Russian money?!
Great video and in depth. None of this was in the referendum just stupid sound bytes and fairy tales. To be honest most people wouldn’t have listened anyway.
@@roymanewell6558, That's exactly what the EU did with all the opt-outs allowed to the UK and the rebate. But there's a limit how far exceptional treatment can be stretched, and limiting the freedom of movement was a red line.
@@roymanewell6558 In follow up to my previous comment, I do feel the EU and UK should do everything possible to have a good relationship (and I say this as a Dutchman). But the whole 'have my cake and eat it' approach isn't gonna fly. No matter what area a trade deal is going to cover, the options are always the same. Either the same rules apply (the the UK becomes effectively a rule-taker), or not, and there will be checks and limitations.
MR Spoon Come back in a year or two and ask me how we have got on outside the protectionist mafia that is the EU. Already our employment is up. There is new confidence in the country. 1400 financial companies have opened offices since Brexit has been secured. It's all on the up for us while there is stagnation and mass youth unemployment in the EU. I have no fears for our future but the EU is terrified that Brexit will be a great success.
@@angrybrit7331 But this time around you guys will be the smaller market because there will be USA China India Japan and other big markets and it ain't easy
@@angrybrit7331 but we won't have anywhere as near trade deals, our raw material will be more expensive, 80% of our economy is services, they not part of the trade agreements. This is why you don't understand international trade
Have you heard about the French patrol boat, catching illegal immigrants crossing the Channel, then taking them back to France. WOW, that's got to be a first. I bet the patrol boats crew get a severe bollocking for that.
Robert, You are obviously not the sharpest knife in the kitchen, are you? Just because following the law is not a known concept in The UK, it does not mean the law is as irrelevant elsewhere.
This is done as part of an agreement with the GB that the French authorities will stop migrants on their way to the UK, which has caused a lot of nuisances in the North of France b the way. This might not be the case any more at the end of 2020...
Why couldn't the EU put tariffs on products made in the UK that benefit from UK laws or subsidies equal to what the EU determines is the difference between what they are losing because the UK has left the EU? Why is that unfair? Why is it unfair for the EU to add tariffs on the agriculture or animal products from the UK that used to be recipients of returned money from the EU? Punish the ungrateful. The EU has access to a lot of coast line for development of fisheries. And fewer UK citizens traveling in the EU mean less call for UK food products. Access to sun and warm climates and beach culture is something UK citizens prize. Right there is a reason to charge UK citizens almost as much as it costs a UK citizen to go to a non EU winter getaway. Trade with an outsider country doesn't have to be fair. Johnson will not be fair. Trump will definitely never be fair. Why should the EU be nice to the UK? Save niceness for your friends, not your business rivals. Take away the financial services industry from the UK. Take away as much R and D as possible. Take away the educational centers. Trump will, unless you grease his greedy hands. Trump only plays with a killer's instinct. Pay more for your defense or forget a trade deal = let me wet my beak- and he has a lot of beaks to wet. You want to go it alone? Bye, already.
In that case just go to the WTO, they then can't impose extra tariffs.we could also allow access to our waters for say £15 billion per year. Sounds fair.
"Cadbury moved a factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant. Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant. Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant" And Al Pike maintains that he is a he - and English. Nope.
Trade talks should work to the UK advantage given the fact no deal is back on the table, but also the US, Australia, New Zealand etc are looking to trade with the 5th biggest economy in the world.
Well... I think you see the UK as a far more powerful player than it really is. The US already said that it's waiting for the EU-UK trade agreements to be signed, before going into it seriously. Then the Australian govt leaked papers which stated they are playing a "wait and see" approach, because as time passes UK will be more and more desperate. The more desperate your negotiating partner gets, the better the deal is for you. And I am pretty sure the other major players are playing it along the same lines. You guys are used to being an empire and being the big guys that dictate stuff to smaller nations. My guess is the UK will get a humility lesson, as it will learn that size does matter. I come from a smaller country, we always had to fight with various empires just to stay afloat. In the geopolitical game is not about friendship and history, but cold hard facts. And UK is a small player player compared to the US, China, EU, etc. You economy is now the 5th largest, but financial services are 80% of it. If you lose passporting rights, your economy will shrink a lot. Most of your industry is foreign owned, so they can easily pack up and go. You guys are in for a cold shower in the next decade.
@@abunea You couldn't be more wrong, you were all wrong so far and will be again. Trump needs to make a deal to show good will to the US and keep himself in power. Don't forget countries like Norway have deals so why would the UK suffer? I work for a lot of clients who vary from top end jobs at JP Morgan and major commercial agents and all say that Brexit will be better for the UK. At the end of the day the UK contributed 13% of the total EU income and so the EU will now have top find that extra money. You are right that there are foreign owned industries in the UK, how many I don't know but they will stay and it's already be spoken about 110billion foreign investment coming to the UK and this is for good reason.... I have faith in this country and all the time people like you are throwing out scaremongering it only fuels us more... The £ is already increasing better against the Euro and the dollar.. Anyway, time will tell.
More than halve England's trade is with E.U and a further 12%Scotland and Northern Ireland, mars bars and things become far more expensive through bureaucracy and tariffs so what was the fifth largest economy will soon shrink by the forthcoming recession, England isolated on it's own will become a de investment zone ,shut out from its home market of Europe. What nutters are going to trade mainly with New Zealand or Australia on the other side of planet, the lonely and the BSEd?
The EU are totally underestimating the impact of losing the UK, it's a Big loss for them and only opens the wounds and cracks of a failing union. More will follow, not to think so is called naieve
Gritish Bas It’s the other way around. The UK is underestimating the impact of stepping out of the EU. Maybe not all countries, but my country has taken measures, government and companies, and are seeking other manufacturers and services in the EU instead of getting them from the UK. We know we will feel the UK leaving, but the big blow will be felt in the UK. Not next month but next year, after the transition period. I hope your government can soften the blow for you. And finally, I am not even a big supporter of the EU. I believe the EU has too much influence in our country, but trade wise my country would be foolish to leave the EU.
@MrKingdig the point is not a surrander but living in a dream, dreams are beautful but when you wake up in the morning you discover it was just a dream. The some is with Brexit with a difference waking up from a dream doesn't change your life, reather re.negotiate everysingle deals will
@Albert Pike we have been ready for 20 years, and the Eu is still over here. The one who lives in lies is mr farage and Mr Johnson the first one because he has got personal interest (such de-regulation for allowing amaerican and chinese to make shopping in UK) the second one would sell his family to be PM indeed Rechel and Jo said No to Boris plans i usppose when your family is against your vision maybe something is wrong with you
@MrKingdig Actually the one who has nothing in their hands are Mr johson and his crew. I really can't wait for next year when everybond will be broken. Actually Eu has got all cards and deals Johnson and Co has nothing in their hands. Dream on! Nightmare time is incoming for UK
With how the EUssr have behaved the UK during the negotiations we really should have no dealings with them. This is not feasible as it would be the cutting our nose off to spite the EUssr
But too much uk citizen lives on Eu this is not good thing we need to come back and left everything plus it will not change nothing the emigration will still countinue ( indians , asians and others they will not stop )
BoJo is incapable of doing anything moderately so there will be no 'phase-in'. Plus, there is no time for a comprehensive FTA, it'll be a few things only that will have been agreed followed by chaos at the borders. The UK is woefully under-prepared: No border infrastructure, no extra customs officers, no decent IT systems, no dispute mechanism (unless you stick with the ECJ), nothing at all between NI and the rUK. Plus HMRC estimate the customs costs will be £15bn to £20bn per year. For smaller businesses exporting to the EU, this is going to be a disaster.
they will not compromise easily as there are 27 countries to consider. The brexiters have already bitten off their noses by leaving ,all they have to do isgo thier own way. and not expect to compromise with already things decided on .
Most Brits do not want Brexit. Under 40s, in particular, certainly do not. So who is this all for? I'll tell you: people who want to avoid ATAD. Wassat?
Brexit - assuming it ever happens - will end up as the best advert for joining the EU ever! That said, most under-40s need to persuasion about that already! So who is Brexit for - and how much tax do they stand to avoid paying? Rees-Mogg has an idea.
@Andrew H Why does the EU need the UK more than the UK needs the EU. The UK's trade with the EU is a far higher percentage of the UK's total trade than the EU's with the UK. So why does the EU need us more than we need them? Also if that was true then why have the EU not bent over backward during the negotiations as Vote Leave claimed they would during the referendum? I just don't understand the logic behind your statement so please come and explain it as I am genuinely curious.
@Andrew H I always wonder when the moment comes for people like you to open your eyes and finally acknowledge that you got scammed big times. All you said is just based on your guts/feelings and not even close to being real. For example, the negotiators of the EU are internally acknowledged to be one of the toughest on the planet by other negotiators who do it for decades now. You talk about FTA with japan and that's fine and all but are they gonna be as good as the ones you already had? Already said they want you to have a close relation to the EU or that you don't leave at all, the bare minimum would be to stay in the single market but you don't want that, that's why they left for the Netherlands. Someone who isn't a member of the EU but in the single market and accepts the rules of the EU. I would go as far and say you don't even know the basics and that's why it's so easy for you to just make wild claims and live in a fantasy world. We are not even talking about the possibility of your country splitting up, which would make your situation even worse. At least for the part that stays outside the single market.
Ali985 I agree with u. I mean the next thing is that the UK needs a FTA. But if they want a FTA they have to accept the EU standards and laws. Let’s look at Norway 🇳🇴. 1. They pay 💰 as they would be a EU member. 2. they adapt 75% of the laws coming from Brussels. 3. europeans (Polish, other eastern countries) are allowed to work there without a work visa 4. They have to fund also Erasmus+ and other things. 5. they Control their fishing and agriculture policies but pay high taxes if those products want to enter the EU. Norway’s GDP is 20% oil exports. That makes them so rich and able to be in this stage. Basically they are in the EU but don’t have any influence on the decisions we make. They are like vassal staate which has to jump if Brussels is coughing. Even the EFTA countries don’t want the UK to join. I have to say I don’t see which relationship the UK and the EU will have. ? I don’t think they will be treated any better than that even. I live in Frankfurt and we can’t stop building skyscrapers 🏙 since the brexit vote. It is a growing city anyway but I’m sure they are preparing for a big piece of the cake called London. The next question is Scotland 🏴.
@Andrew H Yes I do know and with two economies of similar sizes that would be a decent statistic to use. However, the EU is so much larger than the EU that the trade deficit is almost irrelevant. The UK makes up a small portion of the EU's trade, whereas the EU is around 50% of the UK's. The trade deficit is around £66 billion which is 2% of the UK's GDP but only equates to 0.3% of the EU's (with the UK's GDP removed). Do you now see the error in your argument? There's a surprise you want to blame it all on someone else. Unfortunately to do that you just have to ignore the fact the Johnson has been PM for 6 months and just came up with a deal almost the exact same as Mays. All he did was remove the backstop by putting a border in the Irish Sea, thereby selling out the people of NI. Even now, all he is doing is progressing with that deal to meet his own deadline rather than trying to negotiate a better deal which you think he could. Clearly he has less faith in himself that you do. So, to answer my question, no you don't have any logic behind your statement and are just parroting what you have been told.
In history Britain is always better of not getting too involved with the political side of the EU country's. Looking after our own people so getting dragged into wars is a last resort. Britain has saved European country's many times but do not get much appreciation for the trouble.
@Ginger Nobody, just like a normal nation where a democratically elected government has a mandate to enact political policy on behalf of the citizens that elected them, without restrictions from an outside governing body.
@Ginger By political alignment, I am talking about having the same or similar policies on economics, environmental standards and other forms of regulatory alignment, and foreign policy, all of which are subject to the Single Market, Customs Union, and the European Court of Justice.
Whatever the future relationship with the EU turns out to be, it will be based on trade and not a political union. That was where the EU went wrong. They were an attractive trading union known as the Common Market, but ambitious politicians saw an opportunity to lead the whole of Europe instead of small countries - think Luxembourg, etc. This bad idea was worsened when they FORCED political integration on unwilling countries via the Lisbon Treaty. Then it got even worse when Merkel invited a third world invasion of Europe and tried to share the joy with the rest of Europe, many of whom did not want it.
@@emm_arr no but can cut taxes vat ect they can not so deduct a portion of taxes our side for us the customers it offsets any tariff and we save as well that can not be for the ,,eu,if they tariff we go else where ,
Yes that's the idea - that's what the Japanese did with the car and motorcycle industries - even the first post war German re-build at record pace happened because the first thing they did was de-regulate industry. The EU (=German big business cartel) has carefully stifled everyone else since with crippling over-regulation that only multinationals can afford to meet and killed off small businesses in the process. It was always the plan from the beginning.
It's very simple. Just tell the EU what we want, what we will NOT accept and then chat up until the last day of talks/negotiations/bickering* and then switch to WTO. *delete where applicable
@K MT Rubbish shitpost, Al. He's doing that because C4 has run too many exposees on the Russian connection. How is your Russian, Al? I'd say you havve native-speaker levels of fluency - in Russian. You probably even know what a zhopa is. Yiou might even have one of your own!
@@emm_arr MR are you an amerexican or just thick ,your like the class room idiot when every one says black you say white your a simple attention seeker nothing more grow up,,
I have no skin in this game, I am a US citizen. Doesn’t U.K. hold all the cards when it comes to trade. I understand EU has about $100 billion trade surplus with the U.K. so it should be in EU s interest to cut a trade deal asap
The leave supporters were majority in numbers than the stay supporters, now the powers are back to the government that is now in power to shape UK's departure out of the European Union life. Concern is that, those who voted to stay, to face what being out of the European Union will pound on UK. This will include: no more free movement to European states, no more being rescued by European Union law rulings which had given us rights. Imports free of taxes is no more. Hoping businesses will not close in the UK to migrate to European Union member states. Students have been doing one of the year in a European Union state of choice. Also, working abroad. Expect to start paying for your medical treatment at GP surgery or hospital at some future date. Why is England denying Scotland independence, when England claimed wanted independence from the European Union?
Do they UK want to have any sort of relationship with the EU? Certainly judging by some of the comments made by Boris Johnson, they neither need nor want a relationship with the EU
@joe caterman you have posted some amount of shite on this thread, its not control its rules that every member agreed to and passed into national law in their legal systems, the eu is not going to allow a departing member to operate outside of rules that every current member agreed to and follows, get it through you fucking thick head, every member of the EU has an equal say, and nothing passes without all them agreeing to it.
@joe caterman well if that was the case, they have two choices. Either they accept EU regulatory allignment and a close relationship, or they don't and have trade barriers. Sajid Javid has said he wants both and neither, so that leaves us with Boris Johnson who appears to hate everything to do with Europe. Which is fine, it's your choice
@@iamthepotato4312 I didn't agree to an EU army, flag, national anthem. I didn't vote for any of the president's of the EU. The EU is not about trade but is political. That's why we are off.
Little England may pray for Trump will right to the rescue but Boris won't be able to force to the EU to give him what he wants without agreeing to lots of EU rules
@MrKingdig Pray, tell us, is that "nuclear support" of yours subject to any enforceable treaties and regulations? Is it something one of the parties has a contractual obligation to provide and the other a contractual right to receive under certain circumstances? So much for your self-congratulatory "game, set and match". Have a nice day, you funny bullshit artist.
@MrKingdig Rather than answering my simple and relevant question, you prefer to indulge in wild surmise. And you get it wrong again: I am not a lawyer. Nor am I a "shyster", as you put it. Your baseless insinuation to the contrary is a typical case of Freudian projection. Now, tell us more about that "nuclear support". What, if any, is your point here?
If the EU can't come to a trade agreement before the end of 2020.. no problem. The UK can move ahead with trade deals world wide, and the EU can come back to the UK when they are ready.
Very interesting. I am really looking forward to hearing about the actual point of all this. It just seems like an end unto itself, people voted for it, so we have to do it. I suppose that's democracy and I accept its happened. I just don't see the point.
FREEDOM is always better than Socialism.. The E.U. was sucking the life from Britain for decades.... BRUSSELS IS THE ENEMY, IS SOCIALIST AND IS A GLOBAL THREAT.. BESIDES, OBAMA LOVED THE E.U..😂😅🤣... Oh yeah, I hate Obama and hate leftists, socialists, Academia, the media liars and Islam.
Yeah..... Only in the mind of a moron is cutting off trade with your closest and largest trade partner a good idea. Can you imagine Canada taking the same stance towards the USA in favour of trading with Madagascar, Argentina and Oman? Me neither.
Henk Duym Nope. With an 80 seat majority Bo Jo has plenty of cards. He can walk away. The UK is the same size economically as 19 smallest EU nations and the biggest export market for the EU.
David of Yorkshire claims he cannot understand "You really should stop. It's a waste of time and you are genuinely unrealistic." after writing "and regulatory divergence is inevitable to improve our commercial opportunities". Nah. That's an obvious lie. He's a liar. He also posted "How, everything I said is true, accurate and therefore real?" People from Yorkshire manage English word order, even if they do have a weird accent. He sounds more ... Russian ... with that sort of word order and comma use. Maybe he's a Putinbot? Whaddya think?!
@Albert Pike Rubbish shitpost, Al. Good job they didn't use any slang on you or you would have ended up looking like a Putinbot. You like like a rug from Stantheman.
What's this remainer waffling on about the EU is useless on negotiating free trade deals always has been. We should leave on WTO rule's let them come begging.
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What a lot of bromides from 2 people whose guess is as good as my janitor's
These long form interviews are great, really underrated.
You might enjoy this.. also from Channel 4 back in the 80s... really interesting ua-cam.com/video/xB02HoHTt9Y/v-deo.html
Two remainers and a remainer journalist talking all negatives and no positives yes classic ch4 balance
@@angrybrit7331 what are the positives they should be discussing?
@@angrybrit7331 what positives? we have been waiting 6 years for you to tell us some. maybe, just maybe, there are none and you are too stupid to realise?
@@bojskiable oh what a shock 9 months later and he cannot list any....
I quit like the way Gary perform his interviews, he talks with people from all "sides", he listens, is sober and doesn't push any agenda of his own.
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His time with Channel 4 can't be long then.
@Fhjthnl Lol Iuyo But you "ARE" racists and you also invented concentration camps in South Africa. Be aware of that!
How anybody would voluntarily (and actually be happy to) go through all that hurt is still a mystery to me...
Basically all of UK's problems when it comes to the relation with the EU and also the role the UK has post Brexit in a multilateral world are both very very well discussed in this interview.
Never heard 2 people seeming to discuss Brexit in a positive undertone speak so realistically about it.
2 years on the UK's actions illustrate "HOW NOT TO ..."DEAL WITH THE EU
From the perspective of Europe... We'll miss you culturally, but in every other way the UK has been the trojan horse time and again for the destructive and greedy ways of the US. A word of advice from a US-dwelling European... Choose your food VERY carefully when the food supply becomes tainted with US goods.
Very true. But there are at least SOME guidelines for what is legally allowed to be food, more than the USA. Sadly, glyphosate is everywhere. They are finding it in infants who have not even started eating solid foods yet.
@Albert Pike Rubbish shitpost, Al. EU food is demonstrably not full of glyphosate!
We'll be trading with the rest of the world, not just the US, so will have plenty of choice mom!
@AmeriKa1050 Like the EU are the only ones to ban pesticides. We choose what we buy and how we regulate them.
@@LZE. you wont you'll get this is great... lovely cheap prices.... except it wont be because on wto rules most countries hate Britain... and people already trading with the eu arent allowed to give britain a better deal hence why they took 7-10 years to complete trade deals. But believe your propaganda....
Those 3.5 years until now were a piece of cake compared to the negotiations that are still to come... :)
@Reuel T
Of course! No need to do anything! Everything is there just waiting for us on a silver tray? Just reach out! :)))
Here's a fond wish: The return of respectful civil discourse.
Yeh it would be nice not to be called a waycist gammon all the time.
@Social Gadfly
1.) Who have I called a terrorist?
2.) I call, for example, Manchester child murder Salam Abedi a terrorist, because he is one. Wouldn't you agree? Or does that make you flood your manpon?
In English, if you can.
Well said Sir!
@@thegrandmuftiofwakanda you lot shouldnt call us traitors and remoaners etc. goes both ways.
Get ready for Scottish independence 2020. #DissolveTheUnion.
@Albert Pike Rubbish shitpost, Al. Now log in again and post in favour of splitting up the UK!
Finally an intelligent discussion.
The idea of quick deals with the US, Aus and NZ has fallen flat since this discussion was held.
The EU is fast discovering how little England has to offer and how little need we have for what they do offer.
Great video! Full of info, and lacking the typical rhetorical emotional arguments.
One year later, this video should be titled "How to deal with the corrupt UK Post Brexit"
I’m only in the comment section to get some salt for my chips 😂
@Adam Bomb don’t come crawling back to me when it all goes wrong for you. You don’t have the sense to work it out for yourselves. You are all sheep. Im weeping now. You should be ashamed of yourself for doing this to poor little me. Ps you didn’t know what you were voting for in the first place so it’s actually an error and we should have another referendum.
Hope your chips are now well and truly salted sir !
That's a nice way of telling us you're immature.
Creag Mac710 keep the salt coming 😂
M R that’s your same response you give to everyone on here I see. Should change your name to mr originality 😂
Not funny mate,broke my fcuking shovel the other day 😂😂😂✌✌🇬🇧🇬🇧
Wow! These guys were so spot on, most of the things they said back then has happened. It would be interesting to hear their point of views now.
Channel 4, I am astounded, almost an impartial discussion.
Andrew H less then 50% voted conservative in the election, that’s not a overwhelming Majority
@@ITristan yes it is, there was more than 2 parties you know? 50% isn't half
@@ITristan Oh dear this is an example of the Jo Swinson theory that confirms Manchester city did not in fact win the Premiership last year. Because all the other teams won more points. Hmmmmm
Elections and referendums are 'won' under the rules of that vote. And in General Elections it is the party with the most seats. In other words as Manchester City did they won the most 'games' (seats) and therefore won the title. and an 80+ seat majority is very much 'overwhelming' as the Remainer Lords found out this week.
C4 tell it like it is
@Andrew H Indeed and well said. 4 votes under 3 different voting systems and the Leave side won every one. It just took a massive 'What part of Leave do you not understand?' in December to clear the Remainer swamp in Parliament. The difference now is staggering...
Let's get ready for the BIG DRAMA SHOW 🙅🏿♂️🤸🏾♂️🤸🏾♂️🤸🏾♂️
There isn't going to be any drama...remember BoJo surrendered Northern Ireland to EU in his withdrawal deal....trade deal is going to be the same and even easier for him with a full Parliament majority...the trick is just "get Brexit done" ASAP..
@james mcbride we want to import cheaper from around the world for our citizens and domestic market not to re sell into the EU
@@angrybrit7331 Ah yeah and the environmental impact will be great. Australian tomatoes, yea... they only take 8 weeks per ship and arrive FRESH^^
Very interesting interview but I'm disappointed there's no mention of the trade deficit and the fact that the UK imports far more than it exports and the leverage that can be used with that statistic.
@Spideog formerly of Highgate well it wont be over-fished by EU trawlermen that's for sure.
@Spideog formerly of Highgate Don't worry. This government has plans for the BBC and Channel 4! 😎
It's because it is not very important. Overall, the UK is losing a market of 445m people and an economy of 12.000bn and 44% of its export and 53% of its import preferential markets. The EU is losing a market of 65m people, with an economy of 3.000bn, and preferential access to 7% its exports and 6% import markets.
@@simoncolombo6640 Nobody is losing any market.
@MrKingdig Yes, well, that 1.4-1.5% growth rate assumes an orderly exit and a gradual shift to a new trade relationship with the EU. That is, it does not assume no extension of the transition period.
excellent guest analysts!!! channel 4 should be commended for bringing these two brilliant people on board in analysing the post-Brexit scenario...
First, if you assume there will be a deal, it is obvious you assume PM will not ask for a delay. 😒But I will not bet the former, so forget about the later, because HMgov and most UK still think EU want a FT deal with UK at any cost. Be sure, they don't want it a the cost of the 4 freedom 👌 Second, has anybody forgot about NI ? If the deal does not ecompass NI specifics, or if we go for #NoDeal2 GFA is de facto dead in the water. US Congress has clearly drawn a line here (this is a bipartisan PoV) : no FT. Third, if you assume that Scotland will let the PM sleep quietly this year, so that he can focuses on the new FTs. Don't bet on this too 🤫 Season 5 of "The Brexit" will be intense and longer than some thinks. But no bindge watching available 🤭
@MrKingdig You mean asside from a bipartisan resolution ? 🤭www.irishcentral.com/news/politics/us-congress-good-friday-agreement
How could a country shoot its own foot?
BREXIT, bluffing method gone wrong
The divergence is not determined by elections, hardcore brexiteers determine the divergence and it will be massive, even though it will seriously harm a majority of british civilians.
All this comment is predictable and sound .we all know Brexit will have costs. And all the decenting voices have is EU are doomed or UK will prosper ,but have zero argument how this is possible, so ranting and raving is the go to by default, for the useful idiots!
@MrKingdig I have looked very hard to find where you came across the IMF prediction , with no success. All I can find is a projected growth of 0.5% on the assumption that UK ends 2020 with a stable relationship with the EU. The IMF is projecting EU economy increasing to 1.8% in the latest report in November 2019 . So I have no idea where you are getting your figures from, do you have a link ?
Boy the Brits are so good in producing Comedy's
Its great to listen to a 'dialogue' conversation!!!
It's not our relationship with Europe that is a problem - it's our relationship with the EU. How many times do I have to say this ?
No, take it from us, the problem is the English bigoted attitude to Europeans. Being more distanced from the English feels very comfortable
I can not imagine the EU and EES countries would ever allow a deal witch is good for the UK. The UK left and they would have to live with it. It's like the Brits think they will automatically get good deals with the EU/EES. Hahaha
Good. No deal is fine.
@ Great!
@ I suppose you love an atomic bomb for Uk Economy, deal with it :)
Christmas is so tasty for turkeys..
@@pietro.pirozzi I suppose you haven't done any actual research into economic forecasts? Enjoy your version of "Democracy" until the EU comes crumbling down. We're gone :)
You obviously have no idea why we left the eu, even after all this time. Good luck in your life.
Hasn't France just recently offered £millions tax free to a British Company to move to France? Cannot remember the company.
Good insight into the strength and role of Japan in the process....
Someone posting stuff like "you really are a complete idiot!" is also posting "must of been".
Not an idiot at all. Just special. Very special.
UK will need to do exactly as they are told by the EU if they want access to EU market
@ ALBERT PIKEY Infantile Much ?
@Martin Baldwin-Edwards Yes, you are an idiot. At least you got that right.
The UK is really a small market compared to the EU. It is the EU and countries surrounding the EU that are the future for trade. If the UK wants to trade with the US expect to be pressured by the US to not just accept chlorinated chicken but to turn down trade with the EU until they also agree to accept chlorinated chicken. Shipping foodstuffs prone to bacterial infection over long distances is unsafe without bacterial retardant. Chlorine evaporates when exposed to air. The US doesn't see much profit in trade with the UK unless Americans can buy up UK businesses and make a profit from exporting UK products back to the US at favorable discounts. So the UK market is not as important as an actual trade partner as it is as a bully club to use to punish the EU for not allowing the US to market within the EU under special dispensations. Practicality is needed when dealing as an outsider. It is not enough to have trade deals with bigger, richer and more productive countries. There must be a willingness to make sweetheart deals in which you might have to do errands which may seem shameful at first, but which will get you a toe hold into something much better than you can actually afford.
EU FTA no longer cover UK. That is change. Non EU export will start to drop.
@joe caterman u out of eu? so eu deals still yours?
@@ga21351 www.bbc.com/news/uk-47213842
@@karlmarxthebolshevikrabbi2536 they are not full deals. Deal with Switlzeland cover only 3 areas, should 17.
@Matt Forde That would require getting those better terms. Britain is not in an ideal position for any negotiation. They simply don't have that much to offer than the EU. The EU is a huge market, rich et cetera. UK is much smaller and without any deal, that makes them desperate for a deal. India for example wants VISA free access and travel restrictions and migration restrictions to be reduced by the UK.
What Japanese Trade deal are you talking about? www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/10/16/business/u-k-eyes-post-brexit-trade-deal-japan-hand-may-not-strong-thinks/#.Xi22XmhKiUk
@Matt Forde Not good but forecast for 2020 is 1% growth. Obviously depends a lot on the world economy. 1200 wow, that surely is a lot compared to the millions in the EU. Project fear is a propaganda term coined by Leave so that any bad news can be shrugged off.
Only thing we can say for sure is until a deal is signed Britain has to do as Europe says with no say over those decisions .. the rest is up in the air.
It’s a pity that brexiteers aren’t neither willing nor able to watch and understand those complex issues...
England has a choice, negotiate so Scotland gets the exact same deal as Northern Ireland and remains inside the Single Market and customs union, or rejoin the EU, forcing you to join the Euro and Schengen zone as well. Or you will have English independence forced on you by the people of Scotland. Tic Tok. Scottish independence will not wait much longer.
Treat the EU as they treat us here in uk.
How did the EU mistreat you?
@Boomer Galactica :-) Good one :-)
Thicko brexiter
I'm going to guess they are going to build it like EVERY NATION has built their relationship-through negotiation...
"Say Farage Farage, whatever will be, will be, it's freedom for you & me, say Farage Farage!"
The future's not ours to see...
That's pretty good, after all it was him that got us the referendum.
"Say Farage Farage, we are out of the EEC, remainers can drink my pee, say Farage Farage!". very clever.
@Matt Forde Seems to be the only argument Leavers have - "You lost - get over it"..
@Matt Forde
"You lost"
'We / I won'
Why don't you start a civil war to put an end to this matter. That way there will be actual winners and the people who die we will call the losers.
I just spend a short holiday in Switzerland, passing the border trucks lined up miles and miles, waiting for hours for custom clearance. Good luck GB.
Customs officers being trained up at Dover?? Noooooooo! 😃
Death Wish don’t worry your drugs will still get smuggled in 🤣
This is something Boris thinks is the last thing to do...
Yes
Trade will sort itself out but thank goodness the UK has left and will therefore not end up as a mere state of the EU. We voted for independence.
Anti-theist the brexit liar some one will make me only at your cost it take a while for a British European.
@@timhunt2137 Jesus, Remoaners are so uneducated. Speak English!
@@timhunt2137 what !!? Utter twaddle 😂😂😂
if Eu will give no deal, no access to services, no access to banking,no access to euro clearing THAT IS FINE for me.. EU will be so better without all time crying racist UK
@@adrianceasar5620 you do know you are a dimwit ?
With regard to our fish. We catch them, and sell some of them to the EU, at a profit, maybe with some tariffs, what's the problem with that.
@Andrew Battersby Nope. They aren't stealing if it's legal. If it's illegal, then it's not because of the EU law.
Stupid post. FFS. Think!
Okay, they don't steal them, but HAVE YOU SEEN THE SIZE OF THE BOATS THEY USE TO HARVEST THE FISH? They are fing huge
You are correct, it's not stealing, but you really need to see the size of the boats and the size of their fleet, ask the fishermen of Grimsby, it's truly mindboggling.
@@09464 "You are correct, it's not stealing" I know I am correct, and I think Andy does too. He posts guff.
Why do I need to see the size of the ships used? I've already seen ships that big.
@@emm_arr the reason the EU is worried about fishing. Is because if they don't have access to our waters. They run a risk of overfishing In their waters.
Putin is laughing into his blinis over this all. No wonder the JIC report in Russian interference in British politics is being suppressed!
Who would have thunk it? The Conservatives and Russian money?!
@Robert Hicks No. I really am not ... and you should look at _Private Eye_!
@Robert Hicks Yiou also posted "must of been" so your abilities are worse than those of an average primary school child.
@K MT Rubbish shitpost, Al.
Great video and in depth. None of this was in the referendum just stupid sound bytes and fairy tales. To be honest most people wouldn’t have listened anyway.
I really miss when this channel covered actual news.
People talking sense. So refreshing!
The eu should treat us better than anyone else is because they owe us a lot .we given a lot to Europe
@@roymanewell6558 There is no room for exceptionalism in the EU. You English need to grow up.
@@roymanewell6558, That's exactly what the EU did with all the opt-outs allowed to the UK and the rebate. But there's a limit how far exceptional treatment can be stretched, and limiting the freedom of movement was a red line.
@@roymanewell6558 In follow up to my previous comment, I do feel the EU and UK should do everything possible to have a good relationship (and I say this as a Dutchman). But the whole 'have my cake and eat it' approach isn't gonna fly. No matter what area a trade deal is going to cover, the options are always the same. Either the same rules apply (the the UK becomes effectively a rule-taker), or not, and there will be checks and limitations.
How to deal with the EU.......Talk quietly but carry a big stick.
Alfa&Omega 00000
It hasn't, that's why they want us to remain.
Alfa&Omega 00000 deal or no deal we are out next December. It matters not if you want to be left behind.
MR Spoon
Come back in a year or two and ask me how we have got on outside the protectionist mafia that is the EU.
Already our employment is up. There is new confidence in the country. 1400 financial companies have opened offices since Brexit has been secured. It's all on the up for us while there is stagnation and mass youth unemployment in the EU. I have no fears for our future but the EU is terrified that Brexit will be a great success.
Alfa&Omega 00000 History will prove me right.
British way is talking behind the back. When have to say something in the face then brits are like little girls
It will be a drama only if we let it.
but fun to watch
@McQuade 1 the UK did not fight WWII to bow to the Tenno!
but we neeeeed cars and we are british
We who?
memo to Channel 4, as the EU have already demonstrated again and again - once we have left they become our COMPETITORS!!
And us theres
@@angrybrit7331 But this time around you guys will be the smaller market because there will be USA China India Japan and other big markets and it ain't easy
@@angrybrit7331 but we won't have anywhere as near trade deals, our raw material will be more expensive, 80% of our economy is services, they not part of the trade agreements. This is why you don't understand international trade
Brexit will not happen until, we have left in its entirety, which means totally and completely, as we voted for.
I know but it's fun so far
Why should it? Brits made the decision.
Have you heard about the French patrol boat, catching illegal immigrants crossing the Channel, then taking them back to France. WOW, that's got to be a first. I bet the patrol boats crew get a severe bollocking for that.
They're just enforcing the law.
K
Robert,
You are obviously not the sharpest knife in the kitchen, are you?
Just because following the law is not a known concept in The UK, it does not mean the law is as irrelevant elsewhere.
This is done as part of an agreement with the GB that the French authorities will stop migrants on their way to the UK, which has caused a lot of nuisances in the North of France b the way. This might not be the case any more at the end of 2020...
Why couldn't the EU put tariffs on products made in the UK that benefit from UK laws or subsidies equal to what the EU determines is the difference between what they are losing because the UK has left the EU? Why is that unfair? Why is it unfair for the EU to add tariffs on the agriculture or animal products from the UK that used to be recipients of returned money from the EU? Punish the ungrateful. The EU has access to a lot of coast line for development of fisheries. And fewer UK citizens traveling in the EU mean less call for UK food products. Access to sun and warm climates and beach culture is something UK citizens prize. Right there is a reason to charge UK citizens almost as much as it costs a UK citizen to go to a non EU winter getaway. Trade with an outsider country doesn't have to be fair. Johnson will not be fair. Trump will definitely never be fair. Why should the EU be nice to the UK? Save niceness for your friends, not your business rivals. Take away the financial services industry from the UK. Take away as much R and D as possible. Take away the educational centers. Trump will, unless you grease his greedy hands. Trump only plays with a killer's instinct. Pay more for your defense or forget a trade deal = let me wet my beak- and he has a lot of beaks to wet. You want to go it alone? Bye, already.
In that case just go to the WTO, they then can't impose extra tariffs.we could also allow access to our waters for say £15 billion per year. Sounds fair.
They are out, at last.
Good riddance.
Good riddance they are not good enough to be in the EU.
@@trevordaviesable 😂😂😂😂😭😭😭😭boohoo
Well tell the EU politicians do not be so desperate to ask for extension of trantitional Period
"Cadbury moved a factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant"
And Al Pike maintains that he is a he - and English.
Nope.
@Albert Pike Rubbish shitpost, Al. Rubbish English, Al.
If the EU is so great then the UK wouldn't have voted to leave. Simple
EU is not great however the alternatives is far worse
@Alfa&Omega 00000 Indeed so. Aldolf Pikler is obviously a Putinbot.
@Albert Pike Rubbish shitpost, Al. Log in as someone else and have another pop!
@Alfa&Omega 00000 In her own phrasing, she is "infamous for" shitpost.
@Albert Pike Care to explain, Albert Speer?
I wish America could Join the EU just so we can show Britain how easy it is to get out off in without losing sleep over it.
So trump
Tory State Aid and failing UK industry not a Thatcher view!!
@Andrew Battersby Japanese cars are far more reliable than the family cars that BMW and Mercedes produce.
@@alanharvey9094
Yep...
@Andrew Battersby No more MINI produce on England. Its BMW owner.
@Andrew Battersby so you are saying we won't be able to afford quality cars, still we can buy Indian and Chinese made cars instead
@@alanharvey9094 Japan has a FTD with the EU
Trade talks should work to the UK advantage given the fact no deal is back on the table, but also the US, Australia, New Zealand etc are looking to trade with the 5th biggest economy in the world.
Well... I think you see the UK as a far more powerful player than it really is. The US already said that it's waiting for the EU-UK trade agreements to be signed, before going into it seriously. Then the Australian govt leaked papers which stated they are playing a "wait and see" approach, because as time passes UK will be more and more desperate. The more desperate your negotiating partner gets, the better the deal is for you. And I am pretty sure the other major players are playing it along the same lines. You guys are used to being an empire and being the big guys that dictate stuff to smaller nations. My guess is the UK will get a humility lesson, as it will learn that size does matter. I come from a smaller country, we always had to fight with various empires just to stay afloat. In the geopolitical game is not about friendship and history, but cold hard facts. And UK is a small player player compared to the US, China, EU, etc. You economy is now the 5th largest, but financial services are 80% of it. If you lose passporting rights, your economy will shrink a lot. Most of your industry is foreign owned, so they can easily pack up and go. You guys are in for a cold shower in the next decade.
@@abunea You couldn't be more wrong, you were all wrong so far and will be again. Trump needs to make a deal to show good will to the US and keep himself in power. Don't forget countries like Norway have deals so why would the UK suffer? I work for a lot of clients who vary from top end jobs at JP Morgan and major commercial agents and all say that Brexit will be better for the UK. At the end of the day the UK contributed 13% of the total EU income and so the EU will now have top find that extra money. You are right that there are foreign owned industries in the UK, how many I don't know but they will stay and it's already be spoken about 110billion foreign investment coming to the UK and this is for good reason.... I have faith in this country and all the time people like you are throwing out scaremongering it only fuels us more... The £ is already increasing better against the Euro and the dollar.. Anyway, time will tell.
More than halve England's trade is with E.U and a further 12%Scotland and Northern Ireland, mars bars and things become far more expensive through bureaucracy and tariffs so what was the fifth largest economy will soon shrink by the forthcoming recession, England isolated on it's own will become a de investment zone ,shut out from its home market of Europe. What nutters are going to trade mainly with New Zealand or Australia on the other side of planet, the lonely and the BSEd?
Steven Cooper That’s right, the Russians and the Chinese are rubbing their hands.....
The EU are totally underestimating the impact of losing the UK, it's a Big loss for them and only opens the wounds and cracks of a failing union.
More will follow, not to think so is called naieve
Gritish Bas It’s the other way around. The UK is underestimating the impact of stepping out of the EU. Maybe not all countries, but my country has taken measures, government and companies, and are seeking other manufacturers and services in the EU instead of getting them from the UK. We know we will feel the UK leaving, but the big blow will be felt in the UK. Not next month but next year, after the transition period. I hope your government can soften the blow for you. And finally, I am not even a big supporter of the EU. I believe the EU has too much influence in our country, but trade wise my country would be foolish to leave the EU.
@Walter White In Italy they say the some but after the smoking smell of Brexit they decided to stay
@MrKingdig the point is not a surrander but living in a dream, dreams are beautful but when you wake up in the morning you discover it was just a dream.
The some is with Brexit with a difference waking up from a dream doesn't change your life, reather re.negotiate everysingle deals will
@Albert Pike we have been ready for 20 years, and the Eu is still over here.
The one who lives in lies is mr farage and Mr Johnson the first one because he has got personal interest (such de-regulation for allowing amaerican and chinese to make shopping in UK) the second one would sell his family to be PM indeed Rechel and Jo said No to Boris plans i usppose when your family is against your vision maybe something is wrong with you
@MrKingdig Actually the one who has nothing in their hands are Mr johson and his crew. I really can't wait for next year when everybond will be broken.
Actually Eu has got all cards and deals Johnson and Co has nothing in their hands.
Dream on! Nightmare time is incoming for UK
With how the EUssr have behaved the UK during the negotiations we really should have no dealings with them. This is not feasible as it would be the cutting our nose off to spite the EUssr
It's going to be fine channel 4, don't worry...
But too much uk citizen lives on Eu this is not good thing we need to come back and left everything plus it will not change nothing the emigration will still countinue ( indians , asians and others they will not stop )
Ah, the schadenfreude...
And Katzenjammer for THÉ Eurocrats
Let’s wait for the Scotland referendum
@@Chillerll Exactly...
BoJo is incapable of doing anything moderately so there will be no 'phase-in'. Plus, there is no time for a comprehensive FTA, it'll be a few things only that will have been agreed followed by chaos at the borders. The UK is woefully under-prepared: No border infrastructure, no extra customs officers, no decent IT systems, no dispute mechanism (unless you stick with the ECJ), nothing at all between NI and the rUK. Plus HMRC estimate the customs costs will be £15bn to £20bn per year. For smaller businesses exporting to the EU, this is going to be a disaster.
Hold up there, your not allowed to use facts and logic with the brexiteers.
@@iamthepotato4312 Fresh out of the special room ..dads gone to the pub 😭😭😭😭😭😭✌✌🇬🇧🇬🇧
The EU is a doomed institution. Getting out of it is the best thing For Britain.
@Frankly Frank No Scotland will not do that. Because they want a fastpath to the EU the next day 👌
Britain will deal with the EU like they deal with everything else...badly.
@Andrew Battersby Obviously stupid retort, Andrew.
we will build a Relationship with Cheesburgers innit
if you EU is going to be difficult and bite their nose off to spite their face, so be it. We will have a clear break.
they will not compromise easily as there are 27 countries to consider. The brexiters have already bitten off their noses by leaving ,all they have to do isgo thier own way. and not expect to compromise with already things decided on .
Yep and then beg Trump for a deal. Can you feel his big fat foot in your neck?
Most Brits do not want Brexit. Under 40s, in particular, certainly do not.
So who is this all for? I'll tell you: people who want to avoid ATAD.
Wassat?
@James Smith That's a moronic retort.
@@anothergenericusername1080 Rubbish shitpost, Al.
Haha, that's why the Tories have a a majority hey?
Brexit - assuming it ever happens - will end up as the best advert for joining the EU ever!
That said, most under-40s need to persuasion about that already!
So who is Brexit for - and how much tax do they stand to avoid paying? Rees-Mogg has an idea.
@K MT Rubbish shitpost, Al!
@K MT Fab shitpost, Al!
How much longer do you want three and a half years ffs
7 years is the average for an FTA.
@Andrew H Why does the EU need the UK more than the UK needs the EU. The UK's trade with the EU is a far higher percentage of the UK's total trade than the EU's with the UK. So why does the EU need us more than we need them? Also if that was true then why have the EU not bent over backward during the negotiations as Vote Leave claimed they would during the referendum?
I just don't understand the logic behind your statement so please come and explain it as I am genuinely curious.
@Andrew H I always wonder when the moment comes for people like you to open your eyes and finally acknowledge that you got scammed big times.
All you said is just based on your guts/feelings and not even close to being real. For example, the negotiators of the EU are internally acknowledged to be one of the toughest on the planet by other negotiators who do it for decades now.
You talk about FTA with japan and that's fine and all but are they gonna be as good as the ones you already had? Already said they want you to have a close relation to the EU or that you don't leave at all, the bare minimum would be to stay in the single market but you don't want that, that's why they left for the Netherlands. Someone who isn't a member of the EU but in the single market and accepts the rules of the EU.
I would go as far and say you don't even know the basics and that's why it's so easy for you to just make wild claims and live in a fantasy world. We are not even talking about the possibility of your country splitting up, which would make your situation even worse. At least for the part that stays outside the single market.
Ali985
I agree with u. I mean the next thing is that the UK needs a FTA. But if they want a FTA they have to accept the EU standards and laws.
Let’s look at Norway 🇳🇴.
1. They pay 💰 as they would be a EU member.
2. they adapt 75% of the laws coming from Brussels.
3. europeans (Polish, other eastern countries) are allowed to work there without a work visa
4. They have to fund also Erasmus+ and other things.
5. they Control their fishing and agriculture policies but pay high taxes if those products want to enter the EU.
Norway’s GDP is 20% oil exports. That makes them so rich and able to be in this stage.
Basically they are in the EU but don’t have any influence on the decisions we make. They are like vassal staate which has to jump if Brussels is coughing.
Even the EFTA countries don’t want the UK to join. I have to say I don’t see which relationship the UK and the EU will have. ? I don’t think they will be treated any better than that even.
I live in Frankfurt and we can’t stop building skyscrapers 🏙 since the brexit vote. It is a growing city anyway but I’m sure they are preparing for a big piece of the cake called London.
The next question is Scotland 🏴.
@Andrew H Yes I do know and with two economies of similar sizes that would be a decent statistic to use. However, the EU is so much larger than the EU that the trade deficit is almost irrelevant. The UK makes up a small portion of the EU's trade, whereas the EU is around 50% of the UK's. The trade deficit is around £66 billion which is 2% of the UK's GDP but only equates to 0.3% of the EU's (with the UK's GDP removed). Do you now see the error in your argument?
There's a surprise you want to blame it all on someone else. Unfortunately to do that you just have to ignore the fact the Johnson has been PM for 6 months and just came up with a deal almost the exact same as Mays. All he did was remove the backstop by putting a border in the Irish Sea, thereby selling out the people of NI. Even now, all he is doing is progressing with that deal to meet his own deadline rather than trying to negotiate a better deal which you think he could. Clearly he has less faith in himself that you do.
So, to answer my question, no you don't have any logic behind your statement and are just parroting what you have been told.
In history Britain is always better of not getting too involved with the political side of the EU country's. Looking after our own people so getting dragged into wars is a last resort. Britain has saved European country's many times but do not get much appreciation for the trouble.
A good relationship with the European Union depends on whether or not they demand I stay politically aligned. If they do, then it's no.
@Ginger I don't want to be politically aligned with the European Union. Being so, would defeat the whole purpose of Brexit.
@Ginger Nobody, just like a normal nation where a democratically elected government has a mandate to enact political policy on behalf of the citizens that elected them, without restrictions from an outside governing body.
@Ginger By political alignment, I am talking about having the same or similar policies on economics, environmental standards and other forms of regulatory alignment, and foreign policy, all of which are subject to the Single Market, Customs Union, and the European Court of Justice.
@@unitedkingdomofgreatbritai9 Heaven forbid having the same standards and thus lower costs and make it easier to trade.
@Albert Pike Gunnar Beck is a Nazi. There was a time when the British hated the Nazis. That obviously has changed.
Whatever the future relationship with the EU turns out to be, it will be based on trade and not a political union. That was where the EU went wrong. They were an attractive trading union known as the Common Market, but ambitious politicians saw an opportunity to lead the whole of Europe instead of small countries - think Luxembourg, etc. This bad idea was worsened when they FORCED political integration on unwilling countries via the Lisbon Treaty. Then it got even worse when Merkel invited a third world invasion of Europe and tried to share the joy with the rest of Europe, many of whom did not want it.
This is so the wrong channel to find out about this stuff.
Which channel do you recommend?
Don't know much about this channel but this video is pretty good.
Its an educated view on this topic. A lot of what they predicted happened.
No discussion on services.
Good that we can undercut them
No. State-funded undercutting usually incurs tariffs or non-tariff barriers. Oops.
@@emm_arr no but can cut taxes vat ect they can not so deduct a portion of taxes our side for us the customers it offsets any tariff and we save as well that can not be for the ,,eu,if they tariff we go else where ,
Yes that's the idea - that's what the Japanese did with the car and motorcycle industries - even the first post war German re-build at record pace happened because the first thing they did was de-regulate industry. The EU (=German big business cartel) has carefully stifled everyone else since with crippling over-regulation that only multinationals can afford to meet and killed off small businesses in the process. It was always the plan from the beginning.
@@stephenisom6089 I am correct, and you are not. It doesn't work that way, and you're too thick to even write simple sentences.
@@emm_arr it does and we will.ask mr trump you half wit he is doing it already pfft,
Britain is not going to be negotiating with Europe. We will be negotiating with the EU.
Well done! Obviously. Anyone who got those two things mixed up should buy a dictionary!
The priority now is a trade deal with the US. If the EU drops their attitude, then that deal can happen too. If not, it’ll be a clean Brexit.
British citizens after brexit will be consideres second classe citizens in Europe.
@@caxias1980 Brits are subjects to the crown and not citizens - do I have to say more? So they'll become second class subject I think
@Albert Pike reich also means rich - so you're talking about the rich EU, well thanx Al that's so nice of you.
It's very simple. Just tell the EU what we want, what we will NOT accept and then chat up until the last day of talks/negotiations/bickering* and then switch to WTO.
*delete where applicable
Why don't we just drop an atomic bomb on London while we're at it. Makes about as much sense and has roughly the same impact.
why interview a pair of remainers?
@K MT Rubbish shitpost, Al. He's doing that because C4 has run too many exposees on the Russian connection. How is your Russian, Al? I'd say you havve native-speaker levels of fluency - in Russian. You probably even know what a zhopa is. Yiou might even have one of your own!
@K MT Rubbish shitpost, Al. You sound just like mr democracy. Weird.
@@emm_arr MR are you an amerexican or just thick ,your like the class room idiot when every one says black you say white your a simple attention seeker nothing more grow up,,
@K MT Rubbish shitpost, Al.
@@stephenisom6089 "your a simple attention seeker nothing more grow up" It is you who is simple. Thick, even.
I have no skin in this game, I am a US citizen. Doesn’t U.K. hold all the cards when it comes to trade. I understand EU has about $100 billion trade surplus with the U.K. so it should be in EU s interest to cut a trade deal asap
"Doesn’t U.K. hold all the cards when it comes to trade." No.
No the dont, export to the EU is 46% of all UK export.
Treat the E.U. exactly the same as they treated the U.K. for 3.5 years with contempt
So immature. Good policy isn’t about insult or face
@@0IIIIII It is the Gammon way, get red faced and shout at the forrins.
You can't write in sentences - and you think you know best. That's weird.
@Pustekuchen You are mixing up patience with Dictatorship
Hello So Immature... I presume you are referring to E.U.Policies because their Policies were Dictatorial Edicts with no recourse to Justice
The leave supporters were majority in numbers than the stay supporters, now the powers are back to the government that is now in power to shape UK's departure out of the European Union life. Concern is that, those who voted to stay, to face what being out of the European Union will pound on UK. This will include: no more free movement to European states, no more being rescued by European Union law rulings which had given us rights. Imports free of taxes is no more. Hoping businesses will not close in the UK to migrate to European Union member states. Students have been doing one of the year in a European Union state of choice. Also, working abroad. Expect to start paying for your medical treatment at GP surgery or hospital at some future date. Why is England denying Scotland independence, when England claimed wanted independence from the European Union?
2016 referendum was a UK-wide vote, not a country-based vote. Scotland wanting to Remain is immaterial.
Do they UK want to have any sort of relationship with the EU? Certainly judging by some of the comments made by Boris Johnson, they neither need nor want a relationship with the EU
@joe caterman you have posted some amount of shite on this thread, its not control its rules that every member agreed to and passed into national law in their legal systems, the eu is not going to allow a departing member to operate outside of rules that every current member agreed to and follows, get it through you fucking thick head, every member of the EU has an equal say, and nothing passes without all them agreeing to it.
@joe caterman well if that was the case, they have two choices. Either they accept EU regulatory allignment and a close relationship, or they don't and have trade barriers. Sajid Javid has said he wants both and neither, so that leaves us with Boris Johnson who appears to hate everything to do with Europe. Which is fine, it's your choice
@@iamthepotato4312 I didn't agree to an EU army, flag, national anthem. I didn't vote for any of the president's of the EU. The EU is not about trade but is political. That's why we are off.
Little England may pray for Trump will right to the rescue but Boris won't be able to force to the EU to give him what he wants without agreeing to lots of EU rules
is Canada or Japan or Israel or Australia regulated by EU ??? 😱 No no no
D'uh.
Do Canada or Japan or Israel or Australia have the privileged access to the EU that the UK is seeking? No no no ...
@@emm_arr MR one good thing that brexit has given us already is nutter,s like you are now irrelevant .too late bye..
@MrKingdig Pray, tell us, is that "nuclear support" of yours subject to any enforceable treaties and regulations? Is it something one of the parties has a contractual obligation to provide and the other a contractual right to receive under certain circumstances?
So much for your self-congratulatory "game, set and match". Have a nice day, you funny bullshit artist.
@MrKingdig Rather than answering my simple and relevant question, you prefer to indulge in wild surmise. And you get it wrong again: I am not a lawyer. Nor am I a "shyster", as you put it. Your baseless insinuation to the contrary is a typical case of Freudian projection.
Now, tell us more about that "nuclear support". What, if any, is your point here?
If the EU can't come to a trade agreement before the end of 2020.. no problem. The UK can move ahead with trade deals world wide, and the EU can come back to the UK when they are ready.
A "deal" is a transaction - like getting 2 bogrolls free where you buy 10.
Very interesting. I am really looking forward to hearing about the actual point of all this. It just seems like an end unto itself, people voted for it, so we have to do it. I suppose that's democracy and I accept its happened. I just don't see the point.
FREEDOM is always better than Socialism..
The E.U. was sucking the life from Britain for decades.... BRUSSELS IS THE ENEMY, IS SOCIALIST AND IS A GLOBAL THREAT..
BESIDES, OBAMA LOVED THE E.U..😂😅🤣...
Oh yeah, I hate Obama and hate leftists, socialists, Academia, the media liars and Islam.
No relationship wanted at all...we are off to deal with anyone but the EU...back of the queue EU!
When was that mentioned if the referendum thicko?
Yeah..... Only in the mind of a moron is cutting off trade with your closest and largest trade partner a good idea. Can you imagine Canada taking the same stance towards the USA in favour of trading with Madagascar, Argentina and Oman? Me neither.
All the cards will be in the hands of the eu and no control for britain
Henk Duym Nope. With an 80 seat majority Bo Jo has plenty of cards. He can walk away. The UK is the same size economically as 19 smallest EU nations and the biggest export market for the EU.
@@harryjones4167 then walk away and see what happens
David of Yorkshire claims he cannot understand
"You really should stop. It's a waste of time and you are genuinely unrealistic."
after writing "and regulatory divergence is inevitable to improve our commercial opportunities". Nah. That's an obvious lie.
He's a liar.
He also posted "How, everything I said is true, accurate and therefore real?" People from Yorkshire manage English word order, even if they do have a weird accent. He sounds more ... Russian ... with that sort of word order and comma use.
Maybe he's a Putinbot? Whaddya think?!
WTO here we go!!!
WTO rules in simple language for Brexis:
big fish eats small fish
There's 100 billion deficit in trade...
ATAD is coming
Brexwits are globalist idiots who forget that the UK is TINY!
@Albert Pike Rubbish shitpost, Al. Good job they didn't use any slang on you or you would have ended up looking like a Putinbot.
You like like a rug from Stantheman.
What's this remainer waffling on about the EU is useless on negotiating free trade deals always has been. We should leave on WTO rule's let them come begging.
What a lot of bromides from 2 people whose guess is as good as my janitor's
Yeah.. Exactly the same.... 🙄
@@tubbalcain you don't know how brilliant his janitor is......
@@vdotme how you like them apples.
Truth is; most janitors have a better understanding of the ground truth than those in the upper echelons of supposed leadership!
@@jonathangilson5076 no they actually dont
Look we are not interested what happens to the EU
Then avoid news and analysis for people who want to know about the world! You can avoid Russian food by avoiding Russian restaurants. It's quite easy.
@Brother Spartacus You are harrassing me!
See what I did there?
@Brother Spartacus You are "harassing" me! Learn to spell.
@@emm_arr no it isn't as some wheetabix and porridge contain russian oats and russian cereal produce 😂😂😂😂
@Brother Spartacus You are just a catcalling adult. That makes you sub-beta.