Five years ago I had my long slide Iver Johnson converted by Rowland after they first contacted the importer to verify the slide was fully heat treated to a Rockwell C hardness of 36 or greater. My original plan had been to do a low-cost conversion that only required them to ream the factory barrel, add a heavy recoil spring, and rely on the spring and the mass of the slide for safe operation. Unfortunately, the slide was unlocking too fast, so they had to do a full conversion by replacing the barrel and adding a comp. (Side note, they can convert 6" SS Kimbers without adding a new barrel and comp). The pistol shoots fine, but hits a foot high at 25 yards from a rest. I've also experienced flattened primers, punctured primers, and firing pin drag with Underwood ammo. I contacted Underwood about this issue and they suspected the slide was still opening too fast, so they recommended I install a taller front sight and use Rowland's firing pin and firing pin spring. Rowland also offers an optional firing pin stop with a reduced radius to slow the unlocking time and speed of the slide. I acquired all of these parts and a match grade barrel bushing, but the CHICOM Flu was in full swing at the time, resulting in the project being shelved. Eventually I will get back to it. I'm glad your friend's PT1911 conversion is working. It was wise of his gunsmith to replace some of the internal parts which have a history of failing. My own advice to anyone wanting to go the 460 route is to do your homework and shop around for a good company to do the conversion. I tried to go cheap, yet ended up spending a lot more money than I needed to.
I absolutely love mine. Kimber tle with the 460 Rowland barrel conversion. Shot 100’s of rounds flawlessly. Bit spendy for ammo, but packs a helluva punch. If not the 460 mag will get it done
@bostonblunt my bad wasn't trying to hurt feelings. wasn't gunna type it all out unless someone asked for more info. My wife also says I'm not a good communicator and dnt like talking about feelings. Just a brut I guess. PT111 24 7 pro 9mm pt145 24 7 pro 45acp TH45 45 acp G2c 9mm.
Wish a gun company would manufacture a 460 Rowland straight out of the box. Magnum research should make a compact 460 Rowland. With a frame and parts that can handle it. Hopefully the ammo becomes as cheap to buy as 45 auto and sold in 200 round boxes
Get into hand loading, the brass is a bit more with the .460 Rowland but it can be reloaded several times and all the other components are the same as the .45 ACP except it uses a bit more powder which doesn't add that much more cost per round.
Most of the extra stress is borne by the slide and barrel. I don’t understand why any other internal parts would need replacing. I used a small radius firing pin stop on mine.
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I have a ruger sr 1911 in 460 Rowland with the v2 recoil dampening system .it has been very smooth shooting and no issues sence I got it dialed in with the correct spring for the 255 gr cast bullets at 1300 velocity. At that power level it will do whatever needs done. And it is mild on the recoil.
It would seem that after you have replaced the barrel, recoil spring, firing pin spring and magazine springs that doesn't leave very many components that would be highly stressed by the cartridge. Maybe replace the link and slidestop if they haven't already been replaced. If there was a weak point in the gun itself I would think it would be the locking lugs in the slide or the rails in the frame, and neither of those things can be fixed easily. For something that is in the .44magnum ballpark I would have expected more visible recoil.
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When yspsa had 180 power factor some people in club would trick 45 same as colts then new delta elite. Stretched out like that 45 came alive. The 10 mm then were really strethed out toward max allready.( pressures] so how far could it go? Dont know.
I'd like to know how much that conversion is cuz there is a pistol just like this down at my gun shop right now. I have a Glock 21 Gen 4 that I was converting to 460 but I'm just going to buy an FM already converted from the company. But I imagine I'm going to have three or four guns chambered and 460 rolling by the time I'm done
Looks like it shot easier than a hot 10mm. What is the price of the kit & what did the gunsmithing parts & labor come to? How much more does the ammo cost & how available is the ammo?
I converted a SIG 1911 to 460, it is not a lot of parts. That gunsmith is one guys opinion. Has he Rockwell hardness tested? We all know the answer is no. Taurus is just fine.
What internal parts MUST be replaced? The kit comes with a muzzle brake recoil spring, so what in the lower is taking a beating? Some Taurus 1911’s have stainless frames AND slides. That’s not the only Taurus 1911 in 460 Rowland, there were more on YT until the whole anti gun modification thing. It’s sounds more like his gunsmith upsold him things that pistol really didn’t need.
You're thinking either/or when you should be thinking both/and! 🤣 Most gun people have a 10mm or two. Why not play with something else when you get the hankering? 😁
I've seen to many kimbers that won't even run out of the box. 3 of them looked like the feed ramp was polished wish a wood rasp. A gunsmith I know has seen 5 frames cracked. Kimber was good once but they got greedy and quality went to shit so the could crank them out as fast as they can
@@Payt-y5dthe TLE and a couple others are still well built. Their newer models (and cheaper price wise) use a lot of polymer and other less durable materials.
I saw a video by a gunsmith 2 weeks ago and he said never buy a 10mm pistol. He said he gets lots of work fixing them because pistols can't handle shooting very many rounds of 10mm without breaking down. He said carbines are fine but not pistols. 🤷
A 460 Rowland isn't exactly "on the market"; can't just buy one... have to buy the gun first and then have it converted. There must be a whole half dozen people willing to do that. Scratch any warranty too. Think I'll stick with a BFR and RIA 10mm in big critter territory.
I've shot 4 Taurus guns. 3 semi autos, all 3 jammed. 1 revolver. The timing was off on cylinder and it spit lead fragments into hand and had to be sent back twice to company. I realize nothing but frame is a Taurus on this but I simply refuse to own anything made by them. Cool concept but I'll stick with my Glock 20 and 29.
460 Roland huh ??? You're a very sick man. 😜😎 Nice review. Who's platform do you recommend starting with ??? You realize you're costing us a lot of money 💰
Your gun promiscuity knows no limits! You get around more than a lot-lizard! :p. You've cost me so much eff'inn money! I'm still waiting for a G .460 conversion kit.. Never know when you'll run into a pissed off brownie with cubs here in Texas.. My father is a .45 stalwart.. Combat carried in Nam 68' His Wilson Combat Gold Cup is maxed out.. Most beautiful pistol I have EVER shot.. The fear of dropping it is on par with dealing with a charging predator (kidding - mostly)... I honestly cannot argue with you at all on this one, though I have generally not even played with a Taurus.. Glad to know the way it functions though.. You are still a gun wh0re but like many.. We appreciate you and twat you do..... :p. I will say this for sure.. YOU are the king of waking people up to the 10mm AND just as importantly, the right ammo for the job.. I had NEVER even heard of the .460, nor had my father... I was almost custom loading in diapers in the 70's for him and all of his friends.. (Supervised for sure). The .460 is an awesome calibur.. NOT cheap!!! Not even close.. However, what is one's life worth? I cannot wait to shoot one! The one you shot looked pretty buttery!!! Bet that muzzle break works pretty well... Have a good one Brother!
I'm really starting to love pistol breaks
Same here…
Five years ago I had my long slide Iver Johnson converted by Rowland after they first contacted the importer to verify the slide was fully heat treated to a Rockwell C hardness of 36 or greater. My original plan had been to do a low-cost conversion that only required them to ream the factory barrel, add a heavy recoil spring, and rely on the spring and the mass of the slide for safe operation. Unfortunately, the slide was unlocking too fast, so they had to do a full conversion by replacing the barrel and adding a comp. (Side note, they can convert 6" SS Kimbers without adding a new barrel and comp). The pistol shoots fine, but hits a foot high at 25 yards from a rest. I've also experienced flattened primers, punctured primers, and firing pin drag with Underwood ammo. I contacted Underwood about this issue and they suspected the slide was still opening too fast, so they recommended I install a taller front sight and use Rowland's firing pin and firing pin spring. Rowland also offers an optional firing pin stop with a reduced radius to slow the unlocking time and speed of the slide. I acquired all of these parts and a match grade barrel bushing, but the CHICOM Flu was in full swing at the time, resulting in the project being shelved. Eventually I will get back to it. I'm glad your friend's PT1911 conversion is working. It was wise of his gunsmith to replace some of the internal parts which have a history of failing. My own advice to anyone wanting to go the 460 route is to do your homework and shop around for a good company to do the conversion. I tried to go cheap, yet ended up spending a lot more money than I needed to.
I like the 460 Rowland.
I absolutely love mine. Kimber tle with the 460 Rowland barrel conversion. Shot 100’s of rounds flawlessly. Bit spendy for ammo, but packs a helluva punch. If not the 460 mag will get it done
I have 3 Taurus pistols I've never had a single problem with any of them. Cool vid chuke now I'm thinking about getting something similar.
@bostonblunt my bad wasn't trying to hurt feelings. wasn't gunna type it all out unless someone asked for more info. My wife also says I'm not a good communicator and dnt like talking about feelings. Just a brut I guess. PT111 24 7 pro 9mm pt145 24 7 pro 45acp TH45 45 acp G2c 9mm.
Wow! I would not have expected that! Thanks for the review!
Wish a gun company would manufacture a 460 Rowland straight out of the box. Magnum research should make a compact 460 Rowland. With a frame and parts that can handle it. Hopefully the ammo becomes as cheap to buy as 45 auto and sold in 200 round boxes
Fusion Firearms has built .460 versions of their Freedom 1911.
Get into hand loading, the brass is a bit more with the .460 Rowland but it can be reloaded several times and all the other components are the same as the .45 ACP except it uses a bit more powder which doesn't add that much more cost per round.
Pretty cool Chuke, that muzzle brake looks like it tamed it a lot. Take care and ❤ from the upper midwest.
Another great review Chuke!
I got you goin on .460 didn’t I….👊🏻.now a lar grizzly in .45 win mag..
Chuke, I own that 460 Roland. Picked it up from Tim in a trade.
You can tell Chuke's not married! Too many high end guns in his collection! 😂
It looked close to my kimber rapide.😊
50AE has 38% more energy than the 44 mag. 500 Wyoming Express and the 50 Beowulf need to be reviewed 👍
Looks like a smooth operator..👌
Most of the extra stress is borne by the slide and barrel. I don’t understand why any other internal parts would need replacing. I used a small radius firing pin stop on mine.
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Keep going, good direction.
44 mag almost. looked easy to handle too
Cool video
Nice gun
I have a ruger sr 1911 in 460 Rowland with the v2 recoil dampening system .it has been very smooth shooting and no issues sence I got it dialed in with the correct spring for the 255 gr cast bullets at 1300 velocity. At that power level it will do whatever needs done. And it is mild on the recoil.
It would seem that after you have replaced the barrel, recoil spring, firing pin spring and magazine springs that doesn't leave very many components that would be highly stressed by the cartridge. Maybe replace the link and slidestop if they haven't already been replaced. If there was a weak point in the gun itself I would think it would be the locking lugs in the slide or the rails in the frame, and neither of those things can be fixed easily. For something that is in the .44magnum ballpark I would have expected more visible recoil.
All those springs place more force on sear, disconnector, pins, etc. No free lunch.
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Curious on what other Taurus firearms you own. I've been extremely happy with my 627 6.5 barrel in 357 -38 sp. Good morning from Washington state. Embarrassed to mention city haha, but voted red. Moving north within 2 years. James Michener "Alaska" must read BTW. Stay safe up there!!!
Have you shot any of the whisperer 290 gr hc that 460 Rowland sells?
When yspsa had 180 power factor some people in club would trick 45 same as colts then new delta elite. Stretched out like that 45 came alive. The 10 mm then were really strethed out toward max allready.( pressures] so how far could it go? Dont know.
I'd like to know how much that conversion is cuz there is a pistol just like this down at my gun shop right now. I have a Glock 21 Gen 4 that I was converting to 460 but I'm just going to buy an FM already converted from the company. But I imagine I'm going to have three or four guns chambered and 460 rolling by the time I'm done
Looks like it shot easier than a hot 10mm. What is the price of the kit & what did the gunsmithing parts & labor come to? How much more does the ammo cost & how available is the ammo?
Ammo, significantly more expensive. Can be ordered off internet. Not likely to see it in the stores
Fairbanks usually has stacks of Buffalo Bore and Underwood on the shelves. It's spensive tho.
I converted a SIG 1911 to 460, it is not a lot of parts. That gunsmith is one guys opinion. Has he Rockwell hardness tested? We all know the answer is no. Taurus is just fine.
Agrde!!!
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What internal parts MUST be replaced? The kit comes with a muzzle brake recoil spring, so what in the lower is taking a beating? Some Taurus 1911’s have stainless frames AND slides. That’s not the only Taurus 1911 in 460 Rowland, there were more on YT until the whole anti gun modification thing. It’s sounds more like his gunsmith upsold him things that pistol really didn’t need.
I wouldn't trust ANYTHING that wasn't forged in a 460.
Not sure I would trust that taurus with the operating pressures of 460 Rowland seems like a Kentucky ballistics situation there
Does the PT1911 has a Aluminum frame.
I believe it has cast steel. Could be wrong though..
I would prefer doing this with something more solid.
I'd would rather have the 10 mm, more rounds, and cheaper.
You're thinking either/or when you should be thinking both/and! 🤣
Most gun people have a 10mm or two. Why not play with something else when you get the hankering? 😁
I agree, but I’m still gonna tinker and trial 460 at some point
FNH tac 45 conversion w/15 rounds of 460 👀
460 is a considerable increase in power. Not really comparable.
When dealing with 900+ pounds of hungry and angry bear furry, the 10mm is marginal.
Shoot, five shots, “yep it’s a great pistol. Everyone should buy it.”
Exactly
I still think it’s gonna blow up & you may be the next Kentucky Ballistics channel.
IF he actually can.. He can always stick a toe in it if he's missing his thumbs!!!
What about the springfield 1911?
YUP! i own 2 springfield garrisons 1 in 460 rowland and 1 in 45 super there strong and run like a scolded dog
I converted a Mil Spec. No problems so far.
Yes just get the Kimber 1911 in 460 Rowland
Oh Kimber, another company know for having unreliable/problematic pistols
I've seen to many kimbers that won't even run out of the box. 3 of them looked like the feed ramp was polished wish a wood rasp. A gunsmith I know has seen 5 frames cracked. Kimber was good once but they got greedy and quality went to shit so the could crank them out as fast as they can
@@biggunshandguns3687 they're trash tier pistols with a variety of different available finishes
@@Payt-y5dthe TLE and a couple others are still well built. Their newer models (and cheaper price wise) use a lot of polymer and other less durable materials.
I saw a video by a gunsmith 2 weeks ago and he said never buy a 10mm pistol. He said he gets lots of work fixing them because pistols can't handle shooting very many rounds of 10mm without breaking down. He said carbines are fine but not pistols. 🤷
He's full of feces.
Duh!
A 460 Rowland isn't exactly "on the market"; can't just buy one... have to buy the gun first and then have it converted. There must be a whole half dozen people willing to do that. Scratch any warranty too. Think I'll stick with a BFR and RIA 10mm in big critter territory.
I've shot 4 Taurus guns. 3 semi autos, all 3 jammed. 1 revolver. The timing was off on cylinder and it spit lead fragments into hand and had to be sent back twice to company. I realize nothing but frame is a Taurus on this but I simply refuse to own anything made by them. Cool concept but I'll stick with my Glock 20 and 29.
I am with you there. If i have it to depend on for real defense, i do not want it to be a Taurus.
Aka junk. Get a 10mm and be done with it
🤣.460 💪😉👍
460 Roland huh ??? You're a very sick man. 😜😎 Nice review. Who's platform do you recommend starting with ??? You realize you're costing us a lot of money 💰
Your gun promiscuity knows no limits! You get around more than a lot-lizard! :p. You've cost me so much eff'inn money! I'm still waiting for a G .460 conversion kit.. Never know when you'll run into a pissed off brownie with cubs here in Texas.. My father is a .45 stalwart.. Combat carried in Nam 68' His Wilson Combat Gold Cup is maxed out.. Most beautiful pistol I have EVER shot.. The fear of dropping it is on par with dealing with a charging predator (kidding - mostly)... I honestly cannot argue with you at all on this one, though I have generally not even played with a Taurus.. Glad to know the way it functions though.. You are still a gun wh0re but like many.. We appreciate you and twat you do..... :p. I will say this for sure.. YOU are the king of waking people up to the 10mm AND just as importantly, the right ammo for the job.. I had NEVER even heard of the .460, nor had my father... I was almost custom loading in diapers in the 70's for him and all of his friends.. (Supervised for sure). The .460 is an awesome calibur.. NOT cheap!!! Not even close.. However, what is one's life worth? I cannot wait to shoot one! The one you shot looked pretty buttery!!! Bet that muzzle break works pretty well... Have a good one Brother!