People can hate on 6400 all they want. There's no doubt about it. This is the single fastest slim low profile card out there. If this is all the room you've got. What else you going to pick, a GT 1030?
These budget build videos are by far my favorite. All the different combos and out comes. The possibilities are endless and considering the massive prices drops on hardware we are seeing it's getting affordable to do these again.
I did the same thing to my old office pc, i put in a used i7 4790, 1tb ssd and the rx 6400. The pc runs great and i can play everything i want at 1080p
Same, except I have a slot-power 1050Ti purchased during the last crypto-GPU price hike. I have a full MT so I can use the Asus Phoenix model. For these SFF PCs, this single slot 6400 is a champ!
I recently switch from a GT1030 to an RX6400 on an optiolex 3070 (i5 9500) and the difference is night and day! It’s running at PCIE3 speeds but it works miracles.
Me too, recently I changed the GT 1030 I had in my Optiplex 3060 SFF by a Quadro T600 and difference is notorious, the only issue is GPU works so hot in this little case.
True...6400 is a godsend for GT 1030 or iGPU users with very limited budget. Those 3080 Ti users never know how it feels to play at 720p, 18fps. RX 6400 now allows them to play smoothly at 1080p medium-high at 35+ fp. They also don't need to upgrade to a 750 watt PSU. Very convenient.
I honestly LOVE these office PC builds. I personally have a Lenovo M93p SFF rocking a Xeon e3 1230v3, 32B of DDR3 and a low profile GTX 1650, and it has gave me a great experience and will play anything i throw at it
Same. Having the AMD r7-6800h chipset would be great inside a MiniPC would fill this niche pretty well. MiniPCs are somewhat new and come from the likes of Minisforum, Beelink, Zotac, ASRock, ASUS, Lenovo, HP, and NUC etc etc. Whereas, repurposing old SFF Office PCs with dGPUs (in-particular the Dell Optiplex) has been a staple for many years, and commonly known as the HTCP or Console Killer. But the latest iteration, as shown here, is both too slow, and too expensive. Around 2018, Core i7-3770, GTX 1650-LP, this was the best, versus Xbox One X. Around 2016, Core i7-2700, GTX 1050 Ti, which was phenomenal, versus PS4 Pro. Around 2014, Core i5-2400, GTX 750 Ti, still impressive, versus PS4. Around 2012, C2Q-q6600, GTX 650-LP, great package, versus Wii U. ....that oldest one really kickstarted the trend when the new dGPUs were efficient enough (new 28nm node) to offer a good performance boost whilst reducing the power-draw down to Pcie lane only. And it helped that there were millions of these SFF Office PCs just getting tossed out for free, or able to purchase at dirt cheap prices.
I recently made a similar setup. I got a Lenovo Thinkcentre SFF at an estate sale for $50. It had an i5-6500 and 16GB RAM. I already had a spare 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD and I put in the same RX 6400. I'm very pleased with the performance for what it is. It runs LEgo Star Wars and Minecraft for the kids, and I'm thinking I'll make it an emulation box.
Wow, the 6400 is honestly really impressive for the form factor and price point, honestly. Sure, it's not super powerful, but for the power draw and, more importantly, for a SINGLE SLOT GPU, this is pretty unreal. No hate on a good entry level card, because the entry level market needs it. This is what the 6500XT should've been.
NO, just no. This is trash propped up by extremely bad market conditions people need to be honest and acknowledge that. No one should be "impressed" by a card that sports slightly worse specs than cards made in 2018 at almost the same price point too! Where is the value in that? NOWHERE! People need to wake the hell up. Video Cards are some of the most confusing products in terms of value and performance for less tech inclined buyers due to extremely obtuse naming schemes, borderline dishonest marketing and people who recklessly applaud bad products.
@@alexisrivera200xable Market conditions have improved and this things place in optiplex to gaming PC converting has only solidified as the cheap yet very good option with the RTX a2000 becoming the higher end card of the scene
It would be a great idea to compare these RDNA2 with the last gen Ryzen Vega APUs, for example in a Ryzen 2400/3400G system. Just to see how much of an upgrade this would be. And since this is an 60 Watt isch card, it could be a great option for an HP OEM PC with such a Ryzen APU but only a 180 Watt PSU.
Wouldn't remotely bother with apu's, there good cause there getting better but the best apu are lucky to reach past 1080p med and thats not on triple AAA titles just scraping by on 30fps if your lucky from memory, if you do have to go an apu no matter what go with a 5600g or the 8 core variant, less bottlenecks for upgrades. This dependent on the games you play as well.
You can actually upgrade the PSU to the 240W PSU from the Optiplex 3050/5050/7050 MT (Mid Tower). It is a direct swap, exactly the same PSU case dimension and same 6 pin and 4 pin connectors. It is super easy and takes just a few minutes and a Phillips screwdriver. Having the extra 60W headroom makes a big difference.
@@DnB925Art I recently built a 7060 SFF PC, and stuck a 260 watt power supply in it (P/N is TP18W). Believe it or not it actually has the same connectors as the 3050’s power supply (6-pin motherboard power, 4-pin cpu power), and it’s the same size and shape, so it might actually work in the 3050 as well
180w psu will run an Rx 6400. I tested my 240w psu system i7 + RX 6400 it did 160 watts at max load. OEM dell psu units are beasts too they are under rated for wattage.
I am a big fan of the 6400. Like I said in the other post, I have it in an Optiplex 9020 with an i7 4790. Unfortunately this is even an older board with PCIe 2.0, but still works great. I got the Sapphire 6400 and the XFX (both $159 now). More or less by accident I got two of them. I feel like the XFX is a bit louder under full load - in a X570 board with a 5700X in a PCIe 4.0 configuration. But this thing works awesomely well. In Manjaro, I now fully got VRR (Freesync) unlocked on it with a 1440p @144Hz mode on the desktop. That just enables variable framerate for a ton of games and most really run in +60fps at +1080p all day. With medium to high. I love it so much I am throwing my higher end cards out - until the next gen comes around. I might just replace the Optiplex with a better board to get to PCIe 4.0. Its a really amazingly well running small card. Where the 1650LP did stutter at times, this one just doesn't. And with HDMI 2.x and full VRR support it beats it any day (and actually has RT cores...haven't tried that, though). FSR does wonders for res scaling, but almost never below 1080p, rather beyond (except maybe Cyberpunk - which is fully playable and looks great on this card at near 60fps).
This video is JUST what I needed. I have an i5-8500 system that has the same 180W PSU and I've been looking at what GPU to add to give it as a gift. RX6400 it is :)
I fully believe that everyone hating on the 6400 are viewing it in the wrong light. The card isn’t trying to compete in the full ATX space - it’s a card meant for relatively low-power systems like this, to give them a boost and make them capable of modern gaming, albeit at probably low settings.
I am really impressed with the gpu running with this power supply, since the recommendation in the XFX page is minimum 350w. I have checked out the dell website and there says that this pc has a 180w power supply. Anyway thanks for the post!
They only say 350watt because they don't know what else is connected to you pc draining power a 180watt psu and low power cpu about 60watt ish and rx6400 is perfectly fine
I got the same PC , i have so many low budget builds, but for genaral games this is more than useful, YOU GET WHAT YOU WANT, the PC works fine in my book
I want to come Back to PC Gaming because of many classic PC Games and Emulation. I was out since 2017. I doesn’t want to put much money in it. So I got a HP ProDesk 600 G1 with a i5-4570, 8 GB DDR3 Ram and a 500 GB HDD for 75€ on EBay. After that, I build it up with a RX 6400, 16 GB Ram and a 500 GB SSD. Now I can Play everything what I want in 1080p and every Game and Emulation runs smooth. I’m totally happy with this Build.
rx6400 in the video I think has a good cooling metode, using blower type. AMD must know because it will mostly used for sff PC. Right now I use gt1030 sometime had overheat, because of that I take off the side panel of my PC.
TBH as far as older Optiplex SFF PC’s you really should aim for an i7 6700-7700 to pair with the 6400 for a SFF 1080p 60fps machine. An i7 variant would of only ran you maybe 50 dollars more.
Excellent, I'm just building one. My Optiplex 7040 includes an I7 6700 CPU. Previously I had one with the RX 550 but the RX 6400 can get more performance out of my setup
Videos as inofrmative as always and relevant. I decided to look for some reviews of this gpu with a very similar machine to the one you have and came here as the first port of call because of your varied budget builds. I decided to go up from the 7500 to the 9500 due to the extra couple of cores and only another £50 on cost. so got a machine that is pretty good for my daughter and some low level gaming on minecraft and such for £320! As always thank you for your the quality content you continually put out.
imo u should try to increase the settings to get only 30fps on the cases where you are cpu bound. GOW and cyberpunk probly could look amazing at native 1080p, no fsr, medium settings if you lock to 30fps
every once in a while can you compile some bench mark charts of the hardware combinations you use? i love the level you hover around that you feature on your channel. i love the SFF solutions you show and it'd be nice to see handhelds vs Apu builds vs sff+GPU
I'm actually considering throwing a 6400 into my HP Z220 i7 3770 system. It'll be a nice upgrade over the old R7 450 2GB that's in it now, especially because it's an oem card that limits itself to 40w so it's even slower than specs show. Even slower than an RX550. So the 6400 will be a nice upgrade, and the IGP of the 3770 can still handle video playback tasks just fine. Other specs are a couple of 240gb inland ssds in raid0 (on par with entry nvme with 1200mb/sec speeds) , and 8gb ram (soon to be 16)
Hey again prime! 👋🏽 i talking to you about eGPU's the other day and i would love to see you do one of those videos, with this card! I would love to buy this card but the aussie dollar is crazy right now, 300 for one of these cards and its still has to get shipped 🤦🏾♂️ awesome video anyways 👍🏾
I slapped one these bad boys into my optiplex 390. Plays most my games at 1080p. Looking into upgrading my i5 2400 to i7 2600 for better performance. Also found out u can use a Xeon E3- 1270 cpu.
@@Herwees The Minis Forum EliteMini B550 ships with an external GPU dock which will allow you to connect any external GPU card of your choice. That said, you will need a power supply for the GPU though
I did the same with an Antec VSK2000-U3, but with a Ryzen 2700 and a Saphirre RX 6400 but for HTCP use. ( MSI B450 Mortar Max, 32 Go Ram, 2 x Nvme, 1 SSD 2.5' 1 TB and 1 classic HDD 1 TB.). The entire setup cost me 800$. The low profil RX 6400 is just the best low profil and single slot GPU available.
I hope we get a 7400 or a 4050 soon with more power for dGPU SFF builds. This is a segment that has stagnated since the release of the 1650. The 6400 was a nice surprise but we had the 1650 at the same price point and performance tier before the GPU apocalypse.
Yeah, the performance of this thing is decent, but not better than something that came out a few years ago. But while the performance hasn't changed a lot, the size definitely did.
Please do another video and explore the different possibilities which PC with a similar form factor you can take/pick up used for a similar reasonable price as a basis for such builds. This would be absolutely my next build if I hadn't already an older workstation PC myself (albeit not SFF).
I did something similar. I bought the Dell Optiplex 9010 SFF that came with an i7-3770. Obviously the i5-7500 will have the slightly better single core performance, However the i7-3770 not only has 4 cores, but 8 threads which can definitely be utilized by modern games where it will shine better. A disadvantage of the older i7 is that you're gunna be using ddr3 as compared to the i5's ddr4. But another advantage of the older SFF optiplexs is that you CAN fit the chonky sized GTX 1650 in there. I personally bought the Gigabyte 1650 low profile and it's a tight fit, but a fit nonetheless. The pc will run a bit hot under 100% utilization. The cpu averages 80C (No thermal throttle whatsoever) while the 1650 probably would run just as hot but I have a temp limit set at 75C through MSI Afterburner as I don't want to burn out my $400 gpu. There's a couple ways to look at this. Is it worth it? Depends on the Individual. I personally love mine but you need to limit your expectations. For example, It kicks the snot out of a PS4 or Xbox One console and it's the same size. Is it better than the Series S or X? Or a PS5? Absolutely not. I spent about $600 putting mine together. The pc was used off of ebay for $200 but it came with the i7-3770 and 8 gigs of ddr3. I added the other 8 gigs of ram for a total of 16 gigs because I happened to have some spare parts laying around. As I said earlier the 1650 cost me about $400 new. Is it a great pc? Yes. Is it the best for the money? No. I personally wanted to do this because I wanted a pc to keep at my parents place for when I visit them but I didn't want it to take up a bunch of space. I needed it to be small and easily portable. Therefore it was worth it for me individually to do it. But money for performance wise, the consoles are a better value. Especially the Series S. So why did I want this pc? Because it's a pc. I can do all the things on it like I do with my pc at home. I'm not locked into a proprietary environment. I don't have to pay for an online subscription and I have access to all the games on my steam library. It boils down to you, what you value more.
$400 for a 1650???? That's insane! I got a used one on offer up for $60. I'm assuming it is the low profile one but it's its the same performance as mine that is just crazy! I'm assuming you bought it on Amazon maybe? NEVER buy gpus on Amazon probably the WORST place to get a Gpu from! You could have even bought a quadro k620 from ebay for $25. Not as good of performance but just lower the resolution and it place great! Almost any game! Or an Xbox Series S are very easy to find for $150 uses and you could have used the extra $250 for a couple of YEARS of gamepass! It INFURIATES me that people try to sell a 1650 in 2022 for $400! That's a bigger scam then a Nintendo switch oled! 😤
Excellent video but what is the power supply of this Optiplex 3050 SFF? I see that the XFX Speedster SWFT105 RX 6400 is recommended at 350 Watts minimum ?
Would love to see a head to head against the 1650 and 1050ti on PCIe 3.0. I desperately want to upgrade an older optiplex system and Im looking to get the best LP solution possible.
I have a DELL 7070 SSF computer, with a i5-8500 CPU, a AMD Radeon RX-6400 LP graphics card, Kingston FURY Beast 16GB 2666MHz DDR4 memory, and a SAMSUNG 980 PRO 500GB NVMe SSD. This model did not come with a case fan, nor are there any 4 pin sockets available for such. There is only the one 4 pin socket for the CPU. But on top of adding a case fan, I wanted to speed up the CPU fan as well, but no fan control options are available here either. So I purchased a slow silent 80mm case fan, and a fan splitter cable that is now plugged into the CPU fan connector. I have the slow CASE fan functioning as the master fan(all 4 pins in use), and the CPU fan as the slave(sensor pin removed). So for the MOBO to get the slow fan up to the typical CPU fan RPM that it wants, it has to increase the PWM to a higher setting. This in turn has the slave CPU fan spinning much faster than before. In turn I get a lower CPU max temp if pushing the CPU activity to 100%. So that helps the CPU keep cooler, and the case fan helps the GPU keep cooler as well. Okay. now its game time.
You could also buy a 4th~7th Gen I7 SFF Optiplex cheap and have the extra threads. I would say 3rd gen but I'm not sure if the majority of them use 2.0 or 3.0. People still think that GPUs are going to go back to 2019 normal unfortunately these prices at least for the next couple of years are going to be the norm. It's a sad truth.
Seems like it is hard to beat the i7-3770 for an older optiplex SFF build. They are so cheap and 4 core 8 thread, curious how it would run on this build vs the much newer i5-7500.
I'm thinking of putting one together now. I want to get people into pc gaming and this card is good for the but people care what alot of other youtubers think so they just pass on the card 😒
The 7500 scores around 540 points in cinebench r15 and the i7 3770 scores around 655 points, the 3rd gen quadcore cpus still have incredible price to performance!
@@akahee22 some youtubers are too used to 3090 ti benchmarks to give us useful real world uses for hardware. If you want good videos that show "real world settings" and performance try Daniel Owen and Randongaminginhd
I managed to snag a free 8th generation i5 tower from work with 16 GB of RAM and a 256Gb SSD. My brother-in-law just started school not too long ago and is really in need of a decent computer for that. However he would really like to do some casual gaming and even though the 6400 is sort of poopy the low power consumption is perfect for the situation so we're getting one for him. He's very excited to play The Witcher 3 on Smart high settings!
Never thought I'd say this but this is a clear case of the 6400 being too good for the use case here: Sure it can do well on some older titles, but it's just not good at all on the newest games because a 4/4 chip is just limited today: Even a 4/8 is kind of limited if it's not something like the 12100 but that chips punches above it's weight limit because of the strong core performance, anything older than you run into issues with 4/8 chips. So if people go for this set up they outta aim for at least a Skylake i7 or better to get that 4/8 chip in there but it's not going to do very well at all in new games but slightly older ones from a couple years ago should be relatively ok still.
And this is a comment from someone who hasn't tried I guess. It sure does run all the latest titles. And fast. Where one would thing this would actually choke (like desktop performance and such, going through menus, getting into the game, etc) it just doesn't. Everything flies with this little card and it does indeed play the latest titles with proper frame rate (60fps) - unless you through Watch Dogs Legion on it which pretty much chokes every gpu - unless you love playing 1080p60fps on a 3080ti.
I still use i5 7500 bt my gpu is gtx 1050ti, I play valorant at low setting nd get easily 200+ fps in competetive. Bought in usedarket back in 2019 at very cheap price
What about GPU's temperatures? I've Optiplex 3060 SFF with a Quadro T600 (I think is better than RX 6400 on PCIe 3.0 boards like this one), well the question is GPU works hotter than hell due its little distance to PSU and the lack of airflow in these tiny PC case. I'm looking for a good case mod for this PC in order to improve its airflow. Maybe you could make a video about it.
I have decided to do the same sort of build. I got a optiplex 7050. 16 gigs of ram with a ssd. It all work fine. As soon as I put the 6400 into the machine it will not boot. It sits for ever on the dell boot screen. I know the optiplex works. I know the 6400 works. I put it in my rig to test and it was all good. I think there must be something in the bios that needs changing. Please help. Also. ETA I love your work. You inspire me.
Any luck? I am having the same issue with an Optiplex 5050.. (Edit) Secure boot needs to be disabled and Legacy Rom options needs to be enabled! That's what solved it for me!
@@christianbatzer8505 I did. I cant recall exactly what the setting in the bios was. Something to do with security. I think what is happening is that when you plug some new hardware in there the system might thing you are trying to steal the companies secrets. Most of these where office computers after all. Then it just wont boot. Turn that off you should be good. Hopefully .
Oh I've got a hold of a few. Dell optiplex's sff I'm id love yo add these card to both of them with my kiddos(which is 7 btw) for their first builds. I can't wait till kidney on the black market sells to buy them with the prices. No seriously any body want to buy? ;-D
I got a Lenovo m72e MT (i3 cpu - 4GB Ram model 2012) for free. Today i added an RX 6400. Although the PCIe slot on the Lenovo is only 2.0, the RX allowed me to increase the resolution on all emus (Dreamcast, PSP, WII & Gamecube) significantly! So for those with old PCs running emulators, the RX 6400 is a cheap and good choice that requires only 50W max (no external power or new PSU needed) ...
While I see the merit of the RX6400 for these builds, they are still insanely pricey. I miss the old 1070 Katana for SFF builds and its single slot blower, especially since 1070s are STILL a decent card for 1080p. I wish we'd get something neat like that again.
how'd that work; my Opti 3020 SFF only has a 255W power supply and I think the very max available is a 315W model... this card asks for a 500W power supply with an 8-pin PCIe power connector... I looked for this mythical card but apparently it's gone. I wish I had known about it 3 years ago; I might have gotten it instead of a GT 1030. But I'm pretty sure I would have had to do something insane to power it.
I've got a 5060 with the 8500 i5 cpu and this card. I found that the lack of airflow was a huge problem with temperatures. The card could handle the games, but the temperatures rose steadily causing the fan to run at breakneck speeds and at loud noise. i'm returning the card and moving towards a larger case that can run cooler
This is very similar to the performance you'd get out of a GTX 1060, which is still the most-used GPU on the latest Steam Hardware Survey. So I'd think you'd be good to play most games with this system. Not bad and shows it's still possible to do PC gaming for under the price of a current-gen console, even after the recent GPU insanity (which thankfully seems to be tapering off finally). You could also spend an extra $100 or so to grab an i7-7700 Optiplex and fix some of those CPU problems.
Do you know if i7 Optiplex would still have the same PSU? Would the i7 draw more power than the i5 and then come close to the PSU limitation when adding those kind of graphic cards? I'm curious if that i7 7700 would make RCPS3 run smoothly enough.
@@andrewkalar9605 you are unaware, thats fine. You can get bga>Lga converted ES cpus that work on 100 and 200 series chipsets with a bios mod. And sense this already has a cpu in it, its super easy to flash the new bios and install an 8 core for like 90 bucks off of ali.
I bassically have the same thing in an HP version(free in the recycle, otherwise i'd avoid HP) 9th gen i5 SFF M.2 and a 3.5 inch+slim optical bay. The bad thing about these cheap AF SFF machines is that they generally require single slot low profile(most older ones will support 2-3 slot cards but still requires low profile) So my option is a GT1030, or the swift 6400, I've found that as long as you keep modern games at 720p, or older games at around 1080p-1440p you'll be fine with PCIe 3.0, and even 2.0 Some older games even run at 4K decently well with less than 4GB of VRAM. Those older games required pretty good optimization with the cards of the time to push 1080p, so it works great on these newer low end cards.
People can hate on 6400 all they want. There's no doubt about it. This is the single fastest slim low profile card out there. If this is all the room you've got. What else you going to pick, a GT 1030?
How about low profile 1650 for double the price
@@spookyskellyskeleton609 that still takes up two slots and doesn’t fit.
It is good, but kinda shits on older systems it's best suited for.
It's good for those with PCIE 3 or even lucky a PCIE 4 but never 1 and 2.
@@hanspecans I was being sarcastic it's a trash card and it costs more than normal 1650 ddr6 oc for some reason
6:54 wow, that level of performance in the witcher 3 is definitely luxurious for what this machine is. I'd buy one immediately.
These budget build videos are by far my favorite. All the different combos and out comes. The possibilities are endless and considering the massive prices drops on hardware we are seeing it's getting affordable to do these again.
I did the same thing to my old office pc, i put in a used i7 4790, 1tb ssd and the rx 6400. The pc runs great and i can play everything i want at 1080p
Exactly that!
Same, except I have a slot-power 1050Ti purchased during the last crypto-GPU price hike. I have a full MT so I can use the Asus Phoenix model. For these SFF PCs, this single slot 6400 is a champ!
@8bitbolt 260W should be enough. This is a 53W graphics card. Way below the 75W PCIe limit
How is the temperature for 4790 and 6400 combo?Do extra fan needed?
I recently switch from a GT1030 to an RX6400 on an optiolex 3070 (i5 9500) and the difference is night and day! It’s running at PCIE3 speeds but it works miracles.
I believe it. Also have and WX4100 - and the 6400 is twice as fast.
Me too, recently I changed the GT 1030 I had in my Optiplex 3060 SFF by a Quadro T600 and difference is notorious, the only issue is GPU works so hot in this little case.
@@larrybreavman4864 t600 is great, it can record and stream gameplay... and works great on pcie3
True...6400 is a godsend for GT 1030 or iGPU users with very limited budget. Those 3080 Ti users never know how it feels to play at 720p, 18fps. RX 6400 now allows them to play smoothly at 1080p medium-high at 35+ fp. They also don't need to upgrade to a 750 watt PSU. Very convenient.
did you changed power supply of your optiplex 3070? because i am currently using dell inspiron 3647 and planning to get rx6400
I've missed these budget gaming pc builds, glad to see another one, especially with the price of PCs and computer parts right now.
For roughly $225, a setup like this is pretty hard to beat in the small form factor category.
Just finished Starfield and Silent Hill 2 remake on a 4th gen i5-4750 and 16 GB RAM on this card. It’s very capable.
I honestly LOVE these office PC builds. I personally have a Lenovo M93p SFF rocking a Xeon e3 1230v3, 32B of DDR3 and a low profile GTX 1650, and it has gave me a great experience and will play anything i throw at it
I'm really looking forward to seeing more RDNA2-3-+ sff systems.
Same.
Having the AMD r7-6800h chipset would be great inside a MiniPC would fill this niche pretty well. MiniPCs are somewhat new and come from the likes of Minisforum, Beelink, Zotac, ASRock, ASUS, Lenovo, HP, and NUC etc etc. Whereas, repurposing old SFF Office PCs with dGPUs (in-particular the Dell Optiplex) has been a staple for many years, and commonly known as the HTCP or Console Killer.
But the latest iteration, as shown here, is both too slow, and too expensive.
Around 2018, Core i7-3770, GTX 1650-LP, this was the best, versus Xbox One X.
Around 2016, Core i7-2700, GTX 1050 Ti, which was phenomenal, versus PS4 Pro.
Around 2014, Core i5-2400, GTX 750 Ti, still impressive, versus PS4.
Around 2012, C2Q-q6600, GTX 650-LP, great package, versus Wii U.
....that oldest one really kickstarted the trend when the new dGPUs were efficient enough (new 28nm node) to offer a good performance boost whilst reducing the power-draw down to Pcie lane only. And it helped that there were millions of these SFF Office PCs just getting tossed out for free, or able to purchase at dirt cheap prices.
Same here. Can’t wait. Actually I’m waiting, but I’m ready to buy when they are available.
I recently made a similar setup. I got a Lenovo Thinkcentre SFF at an estate sale for $50. It had an i5-6500 and 16GB RAM. I already had a spare 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD and I put in the same RX 6400. I'm very pleased with the performance for what it is. It runs LEgo Star Wars and Minecraft for the kids, and I'm thinking I'll make it an emulation box.
Would love to see more vids on rx6400 being used on other SFF optiplexes, such as the 7020/9020. Even better if you get the i7 variant!
Wow, the 6400 is honestly really impressive for the form factor and price point, honestly. Sure, it's not super powerful, but for the power draw and, more importantly, for a SINGLE SLOT GPU, this is pretty unreal. No hate on a good entry level card, because the entry level market needs it.
This is what the 6500XT should've been.
NO, just no. This is trash propped up by extremely bad market conditions people need to be honest and acknowledge that. No one should be "impressed" by a card that sports slightly worse specs than cards made in 2018 at almost the same price point too! Where is the value in that? NOWHERE! People need to wake the hell up.
Video Cards are some of the most confusing products in terms of value and performance for less tech inclined buyers due to extremely obtuse naming schemes, borderline dishonest marketing and people who recklessly applaud bad products.
@@alexisrivera200xable
Value is in the form factor and power draw
@@alexisrivera200xable what low profile single slot bus powered card from 2018 had petter performance at this price point?....
lol, found this card for 100$, runs cyberpunk 1080p medium nearly 50 fps in my pc@@alexisrivera200xable
@@alexisrivera200xable Market conditions have improved and this things place in optiplex to gaming PC converting has only solidified as the cheap yet very good option with the RTX a2000 becoming the higher end card of the scene
It would be a great idea to compare these RDNA2 with the last gen Ryzen Vega APUs, for example in a Ryzen 2400/3400G system. Just to see how much of an upgrade this would be.
And since this is an 60 Watt isch card, it could be a great option for an HP OEM PC with such a Ryzen APU but only a 180 Watt PSU.
Wouldn't remotely bother with apu's, there good cause there getting better but the best apu are lucky to reach past 1080p med and thats not on triple AAA titles just scraping by on 30fps if your lucky from memory, if you do have to go an apu no matter what go with a 5600g or the 8 core variant, less bottlenecks for upgrades.
This dependent on the games you play as well.
Influenced by your videos I recently bought an inspiron 3647 for $15, I put an R7 240 and it emulates games beautifully 👌
For those asking, this is the 180w PSU, zoomed in and can see the P/N 0N8D59.
Thanks, this is what i needed to know
You can actually upgrade the PSU to the 240W PSU from the Optiplex 3050/5050/7050 MT (Mid Tower). It is a direct swap, exactly the same PSU case dimension and same 6 pin and 4 pin connectors. It is super easy and takes just a few minutes and a Phillips screwdriver. Having the extra 60W headroom makes a big difference.
@@DnB925Art I recently built a 7060 SFF PC, and stuck a 260 watt power supply in it (P/N is TP18W). Believe it or not it actually has the same connectors as the 3050’s power supply (6-pin motherboard power, 4-pin cpu power), and it’s the same size and shape, so it might actually work in the 3050 as well
@@DnB925Art hi, do you mean difference in performance?
180w psu will run an Rx 6400. I tested my 240w psu system i7 + RX 6400 it did 160 watts at max load. OEM dell psu units are beasts too they are under rated for wattage.
I am a big fan of the 6400. Like I said in the other post, I have it in an Optiplex 9020 with an i7 4790. Unfortunately this is even an older board with PCIe 2.0, but still works great. I got the Sapphire 6400 and the XFX (both $159 now). More or less by accident I got two of them. I feel like the XFX is a bit louder under full load - in a X570 board with a 5700X in a PCIe 4.0 configuration. But this thing works awesomely well. In Manjaro, I now fully got VRR (Freesync) unlocked on it with a 1440p @144Hz mode on the desktop. That just enables variable framerate for a ton of games and most really run in +60fps at +1080p all day. With medium to high. I love it so much I am throwing my higher end cards out - until the next gen comes around. I might just replace the Optiplex with a better board to get to PCIe 4.0. Its a really amazingly well running small card. Where the 1650LP did stutter at times, this one just doesn't. And with HDMI 2.x and full VRR support it beats it any day (and actually has RT cores...haven't tried that, though). FSR does wonders for res scaling, but almost never below 1080p, rather beyond (except maybe Cyberpunk - which is fully playable and looks great on this card at near 60fps).
This video is JUST what I needed. I have an i5-8500 system that has the same 180W PSU and I've been looking at what GPU to add to give it as a gift. RX6400 it is :)
I fully believe that everyone hating on the 6400 are viewing it in the wrong light. The card isn’t trying to compete in the full ATX space - it’s a card meant for relatively low-power systems like this, to give them a boost and make them capable of modern gaming, albeit at probably low settings.
This build is insane for the price. Completely bonkers. I have a more powerful pc but I'm in awe at how cool this is.
I am really impressed with the gpu running with this power supply, since the recommendation in the XFX page is minimum 350w. I have checked out the dell website and there says that this pc has a 180w power supply. Anyway thanks for the post!
They only say 350watt because they don't know what else is connected to you pc draining power a 180watt psu and low power cpu about 60watt ish and rx6400 is perfectly fine
I have exactly this small form factor pc. this is what I need
A comparison with the RX 6400 - GT1030 - T1000 - GTX 1650 would be awesome!
I got the same PC , i have so many low budget builds, but for genaral games this is more than useful, YOU GET WHAT YOU WANT, the PC works fine in my book
I want to come Back to PC Gaming because of many classic PC Games and Emulation. I was out since 2017. I doesn’t want to put much money in it. So I got a HP ProDesk 600 G1 with a i5-4570, 8 GB DDR3 Ram and a 500 GB HDD for 75€ on EBay. After that, I build it up with a RX 6400, 16 GB Ram and a 500 GB SSD. Now I can Play everything what I want in 1080p and every Game and Emulation runs smooth. I’m totally happy with this Build.
Awesome budget build Prime. I love these vids and no one does them better than you, thanks.
rx6400 in the video I think has a good cooling metode, using blower type. AMD must know because it will mostly used for sff PC. Right now I use gt1030 sometime had overheat, because of that I take off the side panel of my PC.
Watching this currently on a modded Optiplex 3050...
TBH as far as older Optiplex SFF PC’s you really should aim for an i7 6700-7700 to pair with the 6400 for a SFF 1080p 60fps machine. An i7 variant would of only ran you maybe 50 dollars more.
Great build, not easy to get 3050SFF at this price though.
Excellent, I'm just building one. My Optiplex 7040 includes an I7 6700 CPU. Previously I had one with the RX 550 but the RX 6400 can get more performance out of my setup
Every morning I look forward to your content. Thanks!
Videos as inofrmative as always and relevant. I decided to look for some reviews of this gpu with a very similar machine to the one you have and came here as the first port of call because of your varied budget builds. I decided to go up from the 7500 to the 9500 due to the extra couple of cores and only another £50 on cost. so got a machine that is pretty good for my daughter and some low level gaming on minecraft and such for £320!
As always thank you for your the quality content you continually put out.
imo u should try to increase the settings to get only 30fps on the cases where you are cpu bound. GOW and cyberpunk probly could look amazing at native 1080p, no fsr, medium settings if you lock to 30fps
I saw that its a 180W PSU, good to know 6400 works on the 180W PSU.
Is it really tho sir/mam? Looks risky due to the effects of having a under-powered psu, if following the same configuration that is.
@@Diablonator141the optiplex power supplies arent high in wattage but they arent terrible, theyre known to be reliable
every once in a while can you compile some bench mark charts of the hardware combinations you use? i love the level you hover around that you feature on your channel. i love the SFF solutions you show and it'd be nice to see handhelds vs Apu builds vs sff+GPU
would love if you could showcase Runelite using 117 graphics plugin
I'm actually considering throwing a 6400 into my HP Z220 i7 3770 system. It'll be a nice upgrade over the old R7 450 2GB that's in it now, especially because it's an oem card that limits itself to 40w so it's even slower than specs show. Even slower than an RX550. So the 6400 will be a nice upgrade, and the IGP of the 3770 can still handle video playback tasks just fine.
Other specs are a couple of 240gb inland ssds in raid0 (on par with entry nvme with 1200mb/sec speeds) , and 8gb ram (soon to be 16)
Ive been following this channel and this is a good sff build considering it has m.2 and 3.5 inch drive inside
Missed opportunity to pair it with an i5 6400. Would have been fun to hear it being said back and forth.
I'm the comment you're looking for: Yes! this GPU works very well on Optiplex 7050 and 7060 ... i7-8700 and this RX 6400
Hey again prime! 👋🏽 i talking to you about eGPU's the other day and i would love to see you do one of those videos, with this card! I would love to buy this card but the aussie dollar is crazy right now, 300 for one of these cards and its still has to get shipped 🤦🏾♂️ awesome video anyways 👍🏾
I slapped one these bad boys into my optiplex 390. Plays most my games at 1080p. Looking into upgrading my i5 2400 to i7 2600 for better performance. Also found out u can use a Xeon E3- 1270 cpu.
Can't wait for you to reach 1 mil
cant wait to see what raphael can do !
RUMORS SAYS: its iGPU (AMD 7000 with speedy DDR5) is on Paar with a NVIDIA 3060 mobile 🤓
@@steameier8590 yeah and that is for phoenix, raphael is the full fledge desktop ones, should be even better !
I'd love to see this GPU card paired with the new Minis Forum EliteMini B550
Does that one have a PCIE slot?
@@Herwees The Minis Forum EliteMini B550 ships with an external GPU dock which will allow you to connect any external GPU card of your choice. That said, you will need a power supply for the GPU though
I did the same with an Antec VSK2000-U3, but with a Ryzen 2700 and a Saphirre RX 6400 but for HTCP use. ( MSI B450 Mortar Max, 32 Go Ram, 2 x Nvme, 1 SSD 2.5' 1 TB and 1 classic HDD 1 TB.). The entire setup cost me 800$. The low profil RX 6400 is just the best low profil and single slot GPU available.
I'm seeing some hair appearance for the first time, keep it coming, ETA PRIME :D
I hope we get a 7400 or a 4050 soon with more power for dGPU SFF builds. This is a segment that has stagnated since the release of the 1650. The 6400 was a nice surprise but we had the 1650 at the same price point and performance tier before the GPU apocalypse.
Yeah, the performance of this thing is decent, but not better than something that came out a few years ago. But while the performance hasn't changed a lot, the size definitely did.
It's been stagnant since the GT 1030 actually. There are no single slot LP GTX 1650s unfortunately
I would really like to see how Red Dead Redemption 2 and Halo Infinite would run.
Have this setup but with an i5-4570 and 3.2ghz (so even lower specs) and RDR2 runs beautifully.
Please do another video and explore the different possibilities which PC with a similar form factor you can take/pick up used for a similar reasonable price as a basis for such builds. This would be absolutely my next build if I hadn't already an older workstation PC myself (albeit not SFF).
Honestly I’m just glad sub 300$ entry level pc gaming is back
I did something similar. I bought the Dell Optiplex 9010 SFF that came with an i7-3770. Obviously the i5-7500 will have the slightly better single core performance, However the i7-3770 not only has 4 cores, but 8 threads which can definitely be utilized by modern games where it will shine better. A disadvantage of the older i7 is that you're gunna be using ddr3 as compared to the i5's ddr4. But another advantage of the older SFF optiplexs is that you CAN fit the chonky sized GTX 1650 in there. I personally bought the Gigabyte 1650 low profile and it's a tight fit, but a fit nonetheless. The pc will run a bit hot under 100% utilization. The cpu averages 80C (No thermal throttle whatsoever) while the 1650 probably would run just as hot but I have a temp limit set at 75C through MSI Afterburner as I don't want to burn out my $400 gpu. There's a couple ways to look at this. Is it worth it? Depends on the Individual. I personally love mine but you need to limit your expectations.
For example, It kicks the snot out of a PS4 or Xbox One console and it's the same size. Is it better than the Series S or X? Or a PS5? Absolutely not. I spent about $600 putting mine together. The pc was used off of ebay for $200 but it came with the i7-3770 and 8 gigs of ddr3. I added the other 8 gigs of ram for a total of 16 gigs because I happened to have some spare parts laying around. As I said earlier the 1650 cost me about $400 new. Is it a great pc? Yes. Is it the best for the money? No. I personally wanted to do this because I wanted a pc to keep at my parents place for when I visit them but I didn't want it to take up a bunch of space. I needed it to be small and easily portable. Therefore it was worth it for me individually to do it. But money for performance wise, the consoles are a better value. Especially the Series S. So why did I want this pc? Because it's a pc. I can do all the things on it like I do with my pc at home. I'm not locked into a proprietary environment. I don't have to pay for an online subscription and I have access to all the games on my steam library. It boils down to you, what you value more.
$400 for a 1650???? That's insane! I got a used one on offer up for $60. I'm assuming it is the low profile one but it's its the same performance as mine that is just crazy! I'm assuming you bought it on Amazon maybe? NEVER buy gpus on Amazon probably the WORST place to get a Gpu from! You could have even bought a quadro k620 from ebay for $25. Not as good of performance but just lower the resolution and it place great! Almost any game! Or an Xbox Series S are very easy to find for $150 uses and you could have used the extra $250 for a couple of YEARS of gamepass! It INFURIATES me that people try to sell a 1650 in 2022 for $400! That's a bigger scam then a Nintendo switch oled! 😤
Best RX 6400 video on youtube
Excellent video but what is the power supply of this Optiplex 3050 SFF? I see that the XFX Speedster SWFT105 RX 6400 is recommended at 350 Watts minimum ?
Would love to see a head to head against the 1650 and 1050ti on PCIe 3.0. I desperately want to upgrade an older optiplex system and Im looking to get the best LP solution possible.
It's right in between those two.
cant wait for laptops and all-in-one with those chips
an annual used OptiPlex gaming episode is always welcomed.
for only 50 bucks more than a gt 1030, this is a steal, performs pretty close to a 1650 which costs twice as much and pulls more power.
You can say 6400 is my hero for lower budget pc
Amazing build like always ETA !
I’ve got a dell Sff with i7 8700 and I’m so tempted to build one of these.
I love how is performance 🥰
I have a DELL 7070 SSF computer, with a i5-8500 CPU, a AMD Radeon RX-6400 LP graphics card, Kingston FURY Beast 16GB 2666MHz DDR4 memory, and a SAMSUNG 980 PRO 500GB NVMe SSD. This model did not come with a case fan, nor are there any 4 pin sockets available for such. There is only the one 4 pin socket for the CPU. But on top of adding a case fan, I wanted to speed up the CPU fan as well, but no fan control options are available here either. So I purchased a slow silent 80mm case fan, and a fan splitter cable that is now plugged into the CPU fan connector. I have the slow CASE fan functioning as the master fan(all 4 pins in use), and the CPU fan as the slave(sensor pin removed). So for the MOBO to get the slow fan up to the typical CPU fan RPM that it wants, it has to increase the PWM to a higher setting. This in turn has the slave CPU fan spinning much faster than before. In turn I get a lower CPU max temp if pushing the CPU activity to 100%. So that helps the CPU keep cooler, and the case fan helps the GPU keep cooler as well. Okay. now its game time.
I have a pc like this at home ,I was planning to buy this GPU just so I can have something to play games on, tha is for showing this
You could also buy a 4th~7th Gen I7 SFF Optiplex cheap and have the extra threads. I would say 3rd gen but I'm not sure if the majority of them use 2.0 or 3.0. People still think that GPUs are going to go back to 2019 normal unfortunately these prices at least for the next couple of years are going to be the norm. It's a sad truth.
Seems like it is hard to beat the i7-3770 for an older optiplex SFF build. They are so cheap and 4 core 8 thread, curious how it would run on this build vs the much newer i5-7500.
I'm thinking of putting one together now. I want to get people into pc gaming and this card is good for the but people care what alot of other youtubers think so they just pass on the card 😒
The 7500 scores around 540 points in cinebench r15 and the i7 3770 scores around 655 points, the 3rd gen quadcore cpus still have incredible price to performance!
@@akahee22 some youtubers are too used to 3090 ti benchmarks to give us useful real world uses for hardware. If you want good videos that show "real world settings" and performance try Daniel Owen and Randongaminginhd
@@zaidlacksalastname4905 so nothing has changed in that regard in the last 6 years
I have the 4770 and it’s a beast
Awesome just what I was looking for
Thank for this ETA 🙂!
I managed to snag a free 8th generation i5 tower from work with 16 GB of RAM and a 256Gb SSD. My brother-in-law just started school not too long ago and is really in need of a decent computer for that. However he would really like to do some casual gaming and even though the 6400 is sort of poopy the low power consumption is perfect for the situation so we're getting one for him. He's very excited to play The Witcher 3 on Smart high settings!
Never thought I'd say this but this is a clear case of the 6400 being too good for the use case here: Sure it can do well on some older titles, but it's just not good at all on the newest games because a 4/4 chip is just limited today: Even a 4/8 is kind of limited if it's not something like the 12100 but that chips punches above it's weight limit because of the strong core performance, anything older than you run into issues with 4/8 chips.
So if people go for this set up they outta aim for at least a Skylake i7 or better to get that 4/8 chip in there but it's not going to do very well at all in new games but slightly older ones from a couple years ago should be relatively ok still.
And this is a comment from someone who hasn't tried I guess. It sure does run all the latest titles. And fast. Where one would thing this would actually choke (like desktop performance and such, going through menus, getting into the game, etc) it just doesn't. Everything flies with this little card and it does indeed play the latest titles with proper frame rate (60fps) - unless you through Watch Dogs Legion on it which pretty much chokes every gpu - unless you love playing 1080p60fps on a 3080ti.
I still use i5 7500 bt my gpu is gtx 1050ti, I play valorant at low setting nd get easily 200+ fps in competetive. Bought in usedarket back in 2019 at very cheap price
What about GPU's temperatures?
I've Optiplex 3060 SFF with a Quadro T600 (I think is better than RX 6400 on PCIe 3.0 boards like this one), well the question is GPU works hotter than hell due its little distance to PSU and the lack of airflow in these tiny PC case.
I'm looking for a good case mod for this PC in order to improve its airflow.
Maybe you could make a video about it.
Same occurs to me. I don't know if is OK to use the PC that way
this is nice, love the small pc unit. cool
I have decided to do the same sort of build. I got a optiplex 7050. 16 gigs of ram with a ssd. It all work fine. As soon as I put the 6400 into the machine it will not boot. It sits for ever on the dell boot screen.
I know the optiplex works. I know the 6400 works. I put it in my rig to test and it was all good. I think there must be something in the bios that needs changing. Please help.
Also. ETA I love your work. You inspire me.
Any luck with this? I've run into the same issue 😩
did you manage to solve your problem? the same thing happens to me :C
Any luck? I am having the same issue with an Optiplex 5050..
(Edit) Secure boot needs to be disabled and Legacy Rom options needs to be enabled! That's what solved it for me!
@@christianbatzer8505 I did. I cant recall exactly what the setting in the bios was. Something to do with security. I think what is happening is that when you plug some new hardware in there the system might thing you are trying to steal the companies secrets. Most of these where office computers after all. Then it just wont boot. Turn that off you should be good. Hopefully
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@@christianbatzer8505 nothing :(
Nice to get an actual useful sponsor slot too lol.
If they could make a 6GB version man that'd be an absolute steal.
Their is a single slot low profile t1000 8gb version
Oh I've got a hold of a few. Dell optiplex's sff I'm id love yo add these card to both of them with my kiddos(which is 7 btw) for their first builds. I can't wait till kidney on the black market sells to buy them with the prices. No seriously any body want to buy? ;-D
thanks for the 20% off prime!!
You got My same pc and i was wondering if i Buy rx 6400 and i just saw it has a good performance thanks for this amazing video
Seems like it would work well for a budget visual pinball build.
never saw one of these on ebay for $70 with all those specs lol
You’ll have to get lucky in auctions. You won’t find anything close in price lookin in “buy it now”.
Only in USA
Used market in USA, that's how it works.
Yeah that price point is unrealistic.
looking on ebay right now, identical pc to eta's (sans nvme and GPU) is $400 USD 🤣🤣🤣
I got a Lenovo m72e MT (i3 cpu - 4GB Ram model 2012) for free. Today i added an RX 6400. Although the PCIe slot on the Lenovo is only 2.0, the RX allowed me to increase the resolution on all emus (Dreamcast, PSP, WII & Gamecube) significantly!
So for those with old PCs running emulators, the RX 6400 is a cheap and good choice that requires only 50W max (no external power or new PSU needed) ...
I miss these budget DIY bulids
Everyone may hate on this gpu but personally, it’s what I’m looking at currently
Yeah seriously the price for performance is amazing
While I see the merit of the RX6400 for these builds, they are still insanely pricey. I miss the old 1070 Katana for SFF builds and its single slot blower, especially since 1070s are STILL a decent card for 1080p. I wish we'd get something neat like that again.
how'd that work; my Opti 3020 SFF only has a 255W power supply and I think the very max available is a 315W model... this card asks for a 500W power supply with an 8-pin PCIe power connector... I looked for this mythical card but apparently it's gone. I wish I had known about it 3 years ago; I might have gotten it instead of a GT 1030. But I'm pretty sure I would have had to do something insane to power it.
I bought one of the keys to support the channel.
Great oneeee like always thanks buddy
Would the RX 6400 paired with a i7 9700 be able to do 4K GameCube, you think? I have a Dell 7070 same form factor that I’d like to use :)
It’s worth building,
Use a Ryzen 3500x.
You can usually get one for $120.00 secondhand or something like this.
I've got a 5060 with the 8500 i5 cpu and this card. I found that the lack of airflow was a huge problem with temperatures. The card could handle the games, but the temperatures rose steadily causing the fan to run at breakneck speeds and at loud noise. i'm returning the card and moving towards a larger case that can run cooler
This is very similar to the performance you'd get out of a GTX 1060, which is still the most-used GPU on the latest Steam Hardware Survey. So I'd think you'd be good to play most games with this system. Not bad and shows it's still possible to do PC gaming for under the price of a current-gen console, even after the recent GPU insanity (which thankfully seems to be tapering off finally). You could also spend an extra $100 or so to grab an i7-7700 Optiplex and fix some of those CPU problems.
Do you know if i7 Optiplex would still have the same PSU? Would the i7 draw more power than the i5 and then come close to the PSU limitation when adding those kind of graphic cards? I'm curious if that i7 7700 would make RCPS3 run smoothly enough.
Id personally upgrade this units cpu to the Qtj1, its the fastest cpu that works on these dell oem systems.
this optiplex only accepts 6th and 7th gen intel cpu's. not sure what you are going on about putting a 10th gen chip in this box
@@andrewkalar9605 you are unaware, thats fine. You can get bga>Lga converted ES cpus that work on 100 and 200 series chipsets with a bios mod. And sense this already has a cpu in it, its super easy to flash the new bios and install an 8 core for like 90 bucks off of ali.
All ways happy to see PS2 emulation.
this card is amazing. really want to build a super small form factor pc centered around emulation with it. any case recommendations?
I bassically have the same thing in an HP version(free in the recycle, otherwise i'd avoid HP) 9th gen i5 SFF M.2 and a 3.5 inch+slim optical bay. The bad thing about these cheap AF SFF machines is that they generally require single slot low profile(most older ones will support 2-3 slot cards but still requires low profile)
So my option is a GT1030, or the swift 6400, I've found that as long as you keep modern games at 720p, or older games at around 1080p-1440p you'll be fine with PCIe 3.0, and even 2.0 Some older games even run at 4K decently well with less than 4GB of VRAM. Those older games required pretty good optimization with the cards of the time to push 1080p, so it works great on these newer low end cards.
Thank you bro i only choose low budget cpu
I'd be really interested to see SteamOS on builds like this, I'd be interested to see if there is a performance difference! Great content as always!
Exactly what I was thinking
absolutely would love to see this
This little thing runs Emulation better than the PS5.
would love to see batocera on this machine to see how well it does without direct x
This!!
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