While Glinda suggests using Nessa as bait to capture Elphaba, Madame Morrible is the one who murders Nessa. Madame Morrible has weather magic and is the person who conjured the tornado and brought the house to Oz. I don’t think Madame Morrible intended to bring along Dorothy, but she and Toto were just there. Of course Oz and Madame Morrible decided to make lemonade out of lemons by using Dorothy to kill Elphaba. The musical implies that Fiyero/Scarecrow knew the whole time that Elphaba couldn’t be melted by water but due to Oz’s propaganda, the population could readily accept her death that way. We know from the movie, although it’s not shown but instead heard from the sound effects, Fiyero knocks Elphaba into a brook or creek when he accidentally rides into her. He twisted the events at his own castle so “The Wicked Witch” could die and Elphaba could escape and live a normal life. The twist is that Fiyero knows exactly who the Wicked Witch is and is in love with her, but pretends to be with the rest of the group to stop them from actually killing her.
Just pointing this out as well, but Glynda is probably the only person close enough to see her cry during the Oz-dust dance, meaning she should also know water doesn't do anything.
Fiyero sucks and I honestly wish his character wasn't in Wicked. A story about these two women becomes about him. And he even sets up Dorothy. Both Fiyero and Elphaba are ironically both selfish
ELPHIE WAS RIGHT! Those are family heirlooms and some RANDOM HILLBILLY GIRL KILLED YOUR SISTER WITH HER HOUSE AND STOLE YOUR MOTHERS SHOES WHAT??? (Yall mad asf over a jokey joke about Dorothy, damn learn to laugh yall and like Joey’s video)
To defend Dorothy a little bit, in the Book, she was wanting to give her the shoes out of remorse and wanted her forgiveness for what she did and she didn’t start the tornado, so idk why we’re hating her
What’s with the Dorothy hate? The poor girl didn’t mean to drop her house on Nessa, she was literally forced to Oz in a tornado that Morrible summoned. She didn’t want the shoes, they hopped on her shoes by magic (that could have been Glinda). And Dorothy was shown to be MORE than happy to just give Elphaba the shoes BUT COULDN’T BECAUSE OF A SPELL THAT SHOCKS ELPHABA! AND SHE APOLOGIZED FOR IT! ELPHABA WAS WILLING TO DROWN TOTO AND KILL DOROTHY FOR THOSE SHOES! THE POOR GIRL WAS BREAKING DOWN CRYING BECAUSE SHE WAS GOING TO DIE IF SHE DIDN’T TAKE THE SHOES OFF WHICH SHE COULD NOT!! #JusticeformygirlDorothyshedideverythingshecould
Also not to mention she’s literally in a magical world she doesn’t know, and is so desperate to get home that she’ll do what a bubble lady tells her and follow a yellow road to a man who forces her to go kill a witch just to get home😭😭
wait, the shoes were magical. elphaba used magic on the shoes to allow nessa rose to walk, so maybe the shoes HAD to be on someone alive or something and dorothy was just in the wrong place at the wrong time
My theory is scarecrow’s whole “brains” thing was just an act and he was just playing dumb so the wizard couldn’t recognize him. In fact pretty much everyone lies to us the audience/Dorthy when connecting the film to the musical.
I thought the whole joke in the film is that the scarecrow is actually quite intelligent, but doesn't realize that he already has what he wanted. This would fit in with it being an act quite well
@@auginetic The whole point of the original is they all possessed the qualities they thought they lacked but it took Dorothy's journey to help them realize and grow.
so many layers to the story and I think every version is just like a multiverse type thing, cuz wasting ur energy trying to force connections is just exhausting. I love every moral and side of the Wicked Universe and ill just leave it there lmaoo
To be fair, Glinda only suggested starting a rumor about Nessarose being in trouble during a moment of weakness. Though still a horrible thing to do, considering the fact that she had also used Nessarose to get Boq to leave her alone, she was naïve enough to believe that Morrible and the Wizard would only make Elphaba’s believe that Nessarose was in trouble.
Glinda is pure weakness. That is her biggest problem - she cares more about being liked by others than about doing what is good. This is not a moment of weakness since she is always weak when faced when doing what is right versus doing what will make other's like her.
Elphaba is pure weakness. The only person she truly cared about was Fiyero. She chose him over everyone and did not care who she hurt in the process. Elphaba truly is the worst and victimizing her failed for me.
From what I remember, in Wizard of Oz, the shoes were magically stuck to Dorothy’s feet. She actually physically couldn’t take them off. Glinda was still a jerk for giving them to her though. Also, don’t remember if the Wicked Witch actually knew that Dorothy was incapable of taking them off in the movie, so, depending on what information Elphada has, from her point of view, she is justified.
@@joelbry2103 Dorothy also offered the shoes back The Witch tries to kill Toto, but she gets electrocuted.so they're kind of stuck. at least if we're following parts of the 1930s movie. 🤔🤷♂
@@TwinRiver100 The author of the books read the original books and didn't necessarily base them off a movie. Movie's are pretty much made for whatever is popular in the moment.
What do you think of spoiling the second act of wicked? I have never seen wicked and just got into it (ive been living under rock) but im so scared where the story is gonna go, shall i spoil it whole and watch the musical and do all the research or is it better as a suprise? (Im so scared to see where the story goes 😭 i love glinda and elphabas relationship and im scared its gonna be gone completely :(
I think what Glinda did was messed up he he was messed up to he invited her to the ball he kissed her even after he started having feelings for Elphaba he still stayed with Glinda and you have to remember there’s a 5 year time jump between act 1 and act 2 so for 5 years he been playing in Glinda face
At the same time, Fiyero was quite obvious in his disinterest. That's why she had to spring the engagement. After 5 years you should clock that he has no intention to marry you. Take the L and go.
I totally agree that *Fiyero* has been playing in her face, but her subsequent actions are to harm Elphaba, not him. If Elphaba had been carrying on an affair with him during those five years then I would 10000% understand where she was coming from, but Glinda did absolutely nothing to him and goes straight to helping Morrible and the Wizard trap Elphaba, even offering up her sister to bait her. My stance is that her feelings were justified, but her actions were not. They were misdirected and she was okay with sacrificing the safety of the Animals of Oz over her (misdirected!!) feelings towards Elphaba. I don't think that's justifiable.
@@joeyiscultured Exactly! Why didn't she go after Fiyero's family and friends? Elphaba was standing there just as shocked as Glinda was when Fiyero said he was in love with Elphaba the whole time.
You actually see Nessa Rose's father die in Part 1 of the movie! He collapses during Defying Gravity when hearing Madame Morrible's announcement. I only noticed it on my second watch
Yes! I don't think I explained myself well enough in the video. I know he's dead, but I don't think Elphaba should have blindly trusted the cause of death Nessa gave her (not that she had any reason not to trust her sister at that point of the story)
People keep saying they find what Glinda did with Nessa inexcusable but Nessa was basically a slave-owning dictator so I don’t see what the issue is lol. I get what people mean when they say that, but also….guys 😂😂
Yeah but they did not care that Nessarose was tyrant. They only did it to bring Elphaba pain and capture her. Glinda knows more than anyone in the cast that Elphaba would move heaven and hell for Nessarose and STILL made her a target. OVER A MAN!
@@grandempressvicky6387 Yeah that was my point! Thank you for explaining it so well :) I know Madame Morrible is *most* responsible for Nessarose's death, but Glinda gave her the idea to target Nessa because she knew how that would impact Elphaba. Glinda was justified in being upset about Fiyero of course but someone died 😭it's not as simple as "nessarose deserved it" especially when the reason she was killed wasn't because she was a dictator but because Glinda was jealous (even if her jealousy was justified!!)
It’s so stupid Dorothy gets blamed. She didn’t make the tornado and she didn’t dump the house on Nessa. She also isn’t the one that took the shoes, Glinda did it. Maybe if Elphie tried to explain it instead of threatening someone who is TWELVE in a strange land and wanting to KILL her dog this wouldn’t have happened.
@IronheartvsMiles Elphaba told Glinda to basically abandon her whole life to come with her but the whole time she was betraying her by trying to homewreck her relationship
There's supposedly two original songs to be added into the second movie. I'm hoping it means they plan on shifting a bit from the original ending and maybe have them reunite or at least be able to aknowledge that the other one is alive and well.
I feel like they’re gonna leave it with Glinda thinking Elphie actually died. NOMTW has such a gravity to it with Glinda having to put on a brave face to the Ozians while acting like she’s not grieving her friend, and Ariana’s performance certainly makes it look like she’s holding back grief. They’re putting so much work into these movies I don’t think they would retroactively undo NOMTW, but if they do I’m curious to see how they justify it
@@billygabrielztotally dumb question, will there be a new wizard of oz adaptation after wicked part 2? i feel like they should really try to capitalize on it honestly
@@trishapaytaskitchenfloor I've already told all my friends that with half the casting and set design made, they definitely could make a remake of the Wizard of Oz film.
I actually have a theory that, in the musical, Glinda suspects that Elphaba is alive but is respecting her wishes by not trying to find her. The reason why I think this is because, even if the people of Oz are right and pure water can melt an evil witch in the Wicked universe, Glinda knows that Elphaba is good, and therefore should be able to deduce that water logically shouldn’t kill her.
As someone who lost a close family member and had other family members come through their house and treat it like a flea market? I completely understand why Elphaba is upset about the shoes. For some people those possessions will become a symbol of that person and they may just want one or 2 things, but people who are less connected will see those possessions as meaningless items they can resell or repurpose.
Dorothy is a 12 year old girl who has no control over the situation at all, she didn’t ask for kill people or for the shoes. She’s a literal child who was just trying to get home
in dorothy’s defense, she didn’t really do anything bad on purpose. it’s not like she wanted her house to drop on nessa and she couldn’t take the shoes off due to a spell. she didn’t ask for any of the bullshit that happens 😭😭😭😭😭
The one thing that has always bothered me about Act 2 is what happened to Dr Dillamond. Like…we just see him unable to speak in the Wizard’s palace and he just wanders off is not talked about for the rest of the show. Like where did he go?! Does he ever gain his speech back?! 😭😭I hope Part 2 of the movie expands upon this and Elphaba’s animal activism
I feel like they’re gonna have the change the wizard/father reveal in the movie, cause in part 1 Glinda knows about the green bottle under Elphies pillow, so she would immediately recognise it at the wizard’s palace, instead of seeing his first and then seeing Elphie’s when she melts. This might be a set up for the movie to include Elphie finding out the wizard is her father, instead of having Glinda piece it together after Elphies ‘death’
I don't know, I'm pretty sure Glinda also knows about the bottle under Elphies pillow in the musical, that's how she knows it belonged to Elphaba's mother, I guess that just wasn't on her mind when she saw the Wizard drinking and got reminded of the bottle after the monkey gave it to her, finally conectinf the dots.
Girl you ate this down lol I just watched Wicked part one and I was like I need to know the rest of this story since I've never seen the broadway play. This explanation was so good lol Thank you!
important to mention that elphaba crashing out in fiyero's castle while casting that spell is the best song in the entire musical and perhaps a top 15 song from any musical ever
The end really diverts hard from the original Oz books to get things done..in the book the scarecrow becomes the temporary king of Oz because he's so smart..and that passes into the next book.
@@joeyisculturedJust a warning the book is VERY VERYYY full of screwed up stuff. I would look up trigger warnings to make sure there’s nothing too much. It’s certainly a book of its time. They all are.
No, the book will ruin the experience of the show. In the broadway show/movie, she is a good person. In the book, she is horribly evil and selfish. The way she mistreats her/fiyero's son is heart wretching and it is hard to see the good in her throughout the whole book. It has alot of debauchery too with too much R word. It made me ill reading the book after watching the play. Consider the broadway show/movie a disneyfied version of the book.
I love the sequel Oz books sm, they just go batshit crazy at some points (all points). My hot take is I think that ‘The Marvelous Land of Oz’ is the best Oz book. I’ll die on that hill, I love Ozma with all of my heart.
(Sorry if my grammar is bad ) so my opinion of some of the things glinda did 1. Mr.pincey stayed with her for five years all while he has feeling for elphaba so I’d be hella pissed too. And it’s totally not just a fit of rage from a high school crush at 19 2. Nessa death’s isn’t glinda’s intention. She only suggested to use nessa as a bait. And I mean this whole scenery is literally after her boyfriend of five years and is about to engage left her for her best friend. so I think it might be the root cause of her suggestion 3. I don’t think the shoes is bc of fiyero. 4.her slapping elphaba is pretty justifiable bc wdym you have been doing this behind my back for five years. And when she said “ a lot of us are taking things that don’t belong to us aren’t we” well is she wrong she’s about to be engaged.
I totally see what you're saying! But also Elphaba and Fiyero weren't cheating during that period. Elphaba's been in hiding for those five years and Glinda sprung an engagement on Fiyero that he clearly wasn't into so it isn't a situation where he is actively interested in having a life with her. I think it's really messed up that he stayed with her as long as he did knowing his heart wasn't with her so I'm definitely not saying Glinda wasn't screwed over. Howeverrr, I still don't think any of that justifies selling out Elphaba/Nessarose when she knew the stakes were the safety and freedom of the Animals. Her act of jealousy put so many Ozians in harm's way and I think minimizing the harm that was caused minimizes the complexity of her character.
@joeyiscultured and yet you have no problem minimizing how terrible Elphaba and Fiyero are? Also the fact Elphaba knocked Glinda out to spend time alone with Fiyero but also had no problem goading Glinda telling her to abandon her whole life and be a fugitive with her. Which ultimately would have ended in Elphaba taking Fiyero and Glinda being left with nothing. Then you blaming Dorothy? Elphaba literally held a child hostage and said she would drown her dog. You made me feel for Glinda not Elphaba. Not sure if that was your intention.
I’m so excited to see Jonathan Bailey and Cynthia Erivo’s version of As long as your mine. It’s one of my favourite songs from the musical and I don’t know how I’m going to wait until next November to watch it.
I love how the wizard of oz was all about “I fell into a magical world and I’m going to learn some simple life lessons while I stroll down a paved road”. While we now learn there was this whole teenage soap opera going on in background.
I’ve seen the play on Broadway and have heard several ppl talk about the story on UA-cam, and what I have yet to figure out is HOW THE HECK WAS THE SCARECROW SKIPPING BACK DOWN THE YELLOW BRICK ROAD WITH DOROTHY AND THE GANG BUT *ALSO* PULLING ELPHABA OUT OF A TRAP DOOR AT THE SAME TIME ?????? Even at the beginning of the film, you SEE the scarecrow headed back with Dorothy holding the broom to give to Glinda and the Wizard . So how the heck are they gonna fix that plot hole in the movie ??? I hope they find a way to do so . Because I am CONFUSION . 😅
you and me both!!! I have noooo idea lol. people are saying they're going to align more with the original book than the wizard of oz so we shall see lol but I am so very curious 😭 I rewatched the wizard of oz before filming this video to make sure i understood the timeline and it lowkey confused me even more hahahha
@@joeyiscultured I think it could be something super simple Elphaba gets melted does the whole act the main party leaves for a bit, but Fyero stays behind and tells the group to go ahead for a second like maybe he gives some kind of excuse about making sure she's dead, like he was a little bitter she almost burned him with her broom in actuality he's checking for the trap door to make sure she's ok, they make their moment quick and maybe mentions another passage way out to go without being seen. And there's probably a stable with some horses down below after that Fyero joins back up with the party and marches with the Dorothy crew back to Oz meanwhile Elphaba having gotten out without being seen, gets on a horse and rides off on a different path. and that's why we see that person in black at the start of the movie riding away from the castle while further down the road is the Dorothy crew going down the yellow brick road. Elphaba probably waited a bit until the place was cleared out before heading out and ridding off some place. I assume she and Fyero planned some kind of rendezvous point after the Dorothy group does the Emerald City stuff at least those are some of my fill in guesses from the details i remember from the start of part 1 and some fill in guesses. 🤔🤷♂ think any of that could work?
2:14 i think u see the governor of munchkinland fall over when madame morrible announces that elphaba is a wicked witch, so maybe he dies from a heart attack
Did they ever explain in the show why Elphaba couldnt just take the shoes off of Dorothy? Just use physical force? And why Glinda wants Dorothy to wear them in the first place?
My small little theory is that because the shoes allowed nessa to walk, so the shoes allows anyone to walk without getting tired I presume (like munchkinland is like a whole train ride to emerald city if that were me I'll get upset at glinda for making me walk that far, but it was fiyero's doing to cuz he would try to stall them to help Elphie) Plus I don't think Elphie wants to damage the shoes so just traumatize the girl cuz she'll not do any good deed again part of the propaganda is that she's evil and lies, so of course cuz Dorothy believes the munchkins, she will be unwilling to give the wicked witch the powerful shoes as she could use it to destroy oz.
@@ellizkim5231That’s true, however in the original book Dorothy does try to give the shoes back but they are stuck to her feet, even in the 1939 movie Dorothy was willing to give them up to save Toto, but when Elphaba tries to touch them they burn her, she even says “I should’ve known those shoes would never come off”
The justifications of why the characters turn out the way they do is dumb af, especially the Lion like what? They couldn’t write anything better than that?
So did the Scarecrow have memory lost trying to go see the powerless wizard? Did he forget he was dating Elphaba or are they going to try to clean that up so it follows the wizard of oz…that part still doesn’t make sense to me
Right like wouldn’t the wizard recognise that Fiyero is the scarecrow as im sure his voice wouldn’t have changed or something like that or maybe it’s just a big plot whole
I hate to be the "iN tHE bOOk" person but... yeah. In the book the scarecrow is just some Munchkin guy who iirc was transformed by Nessa. I get that the Fiyero twist probably exists for the crowd to go "aww, happy ending!" but can the happy ending please make sense?
The whole ending of the musical is the biggest departure from the book because both Fiyero and Elphaba die. And the scarecrow and tin man aren’t part of the wicked (musical) story. The lion is the only one who is actually from the wicked pre story. That is if I recall correctly.
The messiness of it comes from completely straying from the book at this point, and taking out the theme of religion and politics and how it relates to the overall theme of the nature of evil. Both Elphie and Nessa’s character motivations are reduced down to their romantic interests. In the book their father becomes a religious fanatic after a traumatic experience, following a religion with pretty fascist roots (you can’t even mention the previous worshipped religion in oz anymore, because it relates to the former rulers of oz that the wizard murdered when he got there) and Nessa buys into that religious fanaticism 100 percent. She uses it to justify all of her cruelty, and has no desire for love, only obeisance. The tin man isn’t boq, hes a stranger and nessarose enchants his axe to cut off his limbs and kill him in exchange for TWO SHEEP AND A COW. Glinda was never interested in Fiyero in the book either, she marries for money and then pines after Elphaba for the rest of her life. Elphaba is literally doing political terrorism and almost blows up madame morrible in front of an orphanage of children but can’t go through with it, then finds fiyero murdered by the government and her entire life pivots to her trying to find forgiveness in fiyero’s widow Sarima for his death. I could go on and on but making the play focused on nothing but romance is what makes it such a disaster
If Madame Morrible is anything like the musical/movie, did she deserve to get almost blown up in the book? It still sounds like she is the least "wicked" person in the story. But I never read the book
@@chocolate37131 Elphaba sort of kills Morrible in the book some time later. But she's pretty much on her death bed and sort of out of it mentally. And I think Morrible pretty much dies of old age or something just before Elphaba can kill her. and I think Elphaba pretty much stabs her dead body or something. 🤔
@@TwinRiver100 I don't see anything wrong with that tbh. Morrible was...horrible to say the least (I just wanted to make that joke) but fr Morrible was a fascist, and Elphaba's heart was always in the right place, trying to do what is right. So I don't blame her
@@austinvhm because in the book he is NOT the scarecrow, that is just a musical thing. I dont think they have a kid in the musical(never saw it) so thats why its never explained
In defense of glinda, she doesnt want anyone to die and thought the wizard and morrible were only going to make elphaba think her sister was in trouble,glinda is actually disgusted when she learns of nessa fate and makes her see the true villians were the wizard and morrible.
This is the first video of yours I've watched, and I was surprised to see you don't have more subscribers. It's really well-made, and I enjoyed it. Keep it up! I bet this is going to get a lot of views.
Watching the wizard of Oz while thinking about all this crazy shit that’s happening simultaneously is so funny, not to mention the way the timelines don’t even add up like act 2 is insane and a mess and I love it so much
The book reveals Elphaba's true colors more. Even when married to Fiyero she homewrecked his family and was horrible to her own child. She did come back for Glinda but it's sad that Glinda was so used by Elphaba.
I love this video. It’s funny because I went on Wikipedia immediately after watching the movie to find out what happens in part 2 lol I feel like me reading words or hearing a video will never give me what the actual product will not even close. So it’s like who cares if you know what’s gonna happen it still gonna be worth the watch. That’s just like watching Death Becomes Her the movie and now going to see it on broadway. You already know what happens but it’s worth watching. Or like any of these remakes. So I’m loving this take on it. Still can’t wait to see part 2 next year regardless.
Awww I'm so happy you enjoyed!!! One of my friends goes straight to wikipedia for spoilers too so that was exactly why I had the idea to make this video. I was sure a lot of people wouldn't want to wait a whole year to hear the ending. I'm so glad you were able to find this and can't wait for your final thoughts when part 2 comes out!! :)
Without context If you had told anyone that the wicked witch of the west and the good witch were in a love triangle with the scarecrow and the Witch of the west was in love with the tin man you would have looked at them like they were tripping
They need to fix what happened with the lion cub and boq and nessa Lion hating elphaba makes zero sense. Why would he hate her over her freeing him as a cub. Instead have him lose memories or something or have him be tricked into thinking elphaba harmed him rather than blame her for that specific event and flesh it out. Nessa blaming elphaba for showing her the book is also dumb. Also elphaba giving her the ability to walk? Maybe make that an accident because portraying wheel chairs as bad is just ablest. Maybe have it so elphaba purposely enchants the shoes thinking shes helping Nessa but then nessa tells her that she doesn't want this and she is sick of elphaba infantilizing her over her disability so she is mad at Elphaba for that and the whole scene is framed badly. In the musical, Nessa begs to be able to walk and its shown her being "fixed" as a positive. I want the movie to show this as a negative and have Nessa not want it. Or at the very least if she does want it then have her only have that belief due to corruption from what society has told her like she thinks she needs to be able to walk in order to run munchkin land. Boq being the Tinman and hating elphaba also makes no sense. Glinda and elphaba fighting over a man fiyero needs to change, or at least tone it down and make it more serious. Glinda causing nessa to get hurt is also played oddly In the musical. Act 2 has potential, it needs serious fixing though and should be fleshed out in the movie. also what did elphaba even do in act 2 that was evil that warranted her singing no good deed. It makes no sense, that needs to be flshed out too in the movie. And the whole animal plot too... it doesnt show any of what elphaba did and elphaba and glinda barely interact. Glinda suddenly jails morrible at the end of act 2 but like why didn't she do that before, is it because of the grim book that Elphaba gave her like Im so confused?
ALL OF THIS OMG. I love your ideas for fixes--especially regarding the ableism. I genuinely felt weird even sharing that part of the story because I hated how that scene was framed. That would be a brilliant way of re-doing that scene. My only concern is that if Elphaba has come to the conclusion that she is okay with being green, wouldn't it seem out of character for her to try to "fix" her sister? and THANK YOU! I always felt like she hadn't done enough "evil" to warrant that kind of emotional shift. I get that she's absorbing and blaming herself for her sister's death, Fiyero's harm, and Dr. Dillamond, but none of that is her fault and Dillamond would be much worse off without her advocating for him. I'm hoping there's more leading up to No Good Deed in the movie (I think there will be).
Disagree, I haven't met a single disabled person who hasn't wanted to not be disabled thats realistic. And why does Glinda, Fiyero and Elphaba need to change?
@Markus2E516 maybe because people are sick of seeing forms of gay rep where one of the pairing has to lose out to a heteronormative relationship. Fiyero also sucks and why is there so much focus on him in a story supposed to be about these two women
Omg, part 2 is crazy but you explained it better than anyone. You literally told us what to expect without silly theories thanks so much. Now it looks good though is it true the songs in part two are not as catchy and fun as in part 1 ? I loved part 1 got me a little obsessed. I’ve been watching many videos of some of the play checked different broadway Elphabas starting ofcourse with Idina Menzel and watched so many reviews and musical numbers though unlike other fans I do like to watch a few negative reviews. Since I do want some objectivity. I do enjoy very much reviews which tell me that not everything was perfect. I like to see reviews with good and bad aspects. Not hyperbolic reviews which say it’s a 10 everything was perfect and totally flawless that’s a big lie. But really thanks for your summary of what happens in part 2 of the show. So many channels suck at it and start telling fan theories on what they will change and their explanations just don’t make sense.
To adress the first part of the content, I disagree with what you've heard about the songs in Act 2. While the plot is messy, the act 2 songs are actually my favorite part of the soundtrack. I get why people might find them less "fun" because they're more dramatic/emotional, but I'm always way more invested in them
The reason most people say that is because act 2 songs just aren't as flashy as the ones in the first act,but they're all objectively good songs,two if them are the most beloved songs actually
@@xanecho ohh ok thanks so much. I dont know if i should listen to the second act of the broadway soundtrack right now or wait one year and go fresh to the movie theater next year and discover there the second act songs lol. But thanks for yelling me part 2 still has some great songs left.
@@sarizonanaI watched a bootleg on yt before the movie (my country rarely does wicked and it's expensive/difficult to get tickets). I knew the story but I didn't know how everything would be, bc as a movie there's so much to pay attention to and there's a bunch of easter eggs, I think it's worth it. Especially if you're really into Wicked, a whole year is a LOT.
@@sarizonana Cosigning what others have said!! I adoreee the songs of part two, but they aren't necessarily as catchy. For Good is one of my favorite broadway songs of all time and that will be in part 2! And I am so happy you liked my video! Thank you for leaving this kind comment :)))
it was sooooo good!!! highly recommend. Of course it's not exactly the same as the musical, but i loved some of the choices they made that strayed from the musical (I won't spoil for you though!!). I hope you love it
Same I watched wicked play in London with my mom when I was a child and then I just saw the movie yesterday with her on her bday ✨💕 I really loved it and Cynthia did a good job as elphaba ✨ bring some tissues because there are def some emotional parts in there. Super Excited for part 2 ! 🎉 and will say the wait is intermission 😂😅
I agree with this video so much its not even funny, the fact that people unironically defend glinda getting her "best friends" SISTER killed just because her man left her is crazy (i get it, getting her killed wasnt her intention but she literally suggested putting her in danger and that wouldve been absolutely vile regardless), the fact that elphaba doesnt even get to know that glinda had a major part in getting her sister killed is so messed up too because up until their final farewell elphaba sees glinda in a positive light just imagine how elphaba wouldve reacted if she had known this, i really dont like how the play paints glinda as a good character in the end either and i think thats mostly why people are so biased to defend her its because at the end of the play shes supposed to be redeemed of everything she did but as i said, getting your friends sister killed for something so arbitrary is absolutely irredeemable in my opinion and thats not even considering everything else glinda did throughout the play
While what Glinda did was cruel you should try to think from her perspective. Her fiancée who she deeply in love with ran off with her best friend. She is distraught and confuse and just want to see her fiancé and best friend again for explanation or revenge. And in a moment of weakness did something stupid in revenge. She didn’t intend to kill nessa. Same with happen with Dorthy. She was force to go to oz and the shoe literally stuck on her feet. She apologized and wanted to give elphie her shoe back. What piss me off is no one condemning nessa for enslaving the munckin like wtf.
Also March of the witch hunters can’t take place at the same time as “No Good Deed” cause no good deed is where Fyiero becomes the scarecrow, and in March of the witch hunters Dorthy has already been captured. So basically it goes: - no good deed happens - most of the wizard of Oz happens - march of the witch hunters happens
not really because what happened to Nessa Rose in book and the musical will be completely rewritten because the actress that plays her is actually in a wheelchair.
Very important context you forgot to mention (spoilers obviously): Glinda never suggested they actually kill Nessa. She suggested that they use her to lure Elphaba out of hiding, but it was all Miss Morrible and The Wizard's idea to _actually_ kill her which they do by way of Morrible summoning the tornado that brings Dorothy's house to Oz. Glinda didn't know about this beforehand. Also the idea that Elphaba can be melted with water was never true. It was a rumor spread by those in Oz. Fiyero thinks this is ridiculous and him and Elphaba use this to their advantage in the end when they make everyone believe she was melted.
Elphaba cared about animals so much that she was willing to drown Toto. She is just as bad as Fiyero. Perhaps both went on to live an immortal miserable existence wrapped in eachother's selfishness.
Fantastic precap. Loved the first part of the movie, reading the book now and loosely adapted from this is putting it very lightly but the book is good too just different lol
Shouldn't it be messy, though? There would be no drama in the drama if the characters didn't make poor choices. They aren't real so no harm has been done, but there really should be some kind of conflict.
@@PoYi-fi1zt the same friend who, for YEARS, is the face of the PR machine against YOU for…wanting other citizens to be treated as citizens?…Elphaba should’ve been worse lmao
Finally someone who has nuance beyond "I don't like this character/they're a bad person so any negative things done to them will have no effect on how I view the morals of whoever did them" like GLINDA A WHOLE HOUSE? AND NOT BC SHE WAS A DICTATOR BUT BC YOU WERE TRYING TO HURT/BAIT HER SISTER? nuh uh... Edit: i realize it's implied that glinda didnt kill her but crazy idea nonetheless
Not that she is right, but fiyero did leave Glinda at the alter… not just “their party “ to (rightfully) run off with Elphaba into the forest for as long as your mine and one of the best songs ever in musical theater, no good deed.
"For Good" is gonna FUCK SO HARD. Like. We all know the reason they split the movie into 2 parts was so they didn't kill people in theatres because of Act 1's beats and then Acts 2's songs. Like we would have all died.
I'm hoping so because a lot of the plotholes have to do with limited time in the play version, so they'll be able to correct a lot of them for the movie. Fingers crossed!!!
bruh u really put that into perspective about nessas shoes like.... a house got dropped on her and she died. and the shoes is all elphie has left of her sis. bro when u said that I cried too lol
In the original book, after the wizard leaves, the scarecrow becomes the ruler of Oz and the tin man becomes the King of the Winkies (Fiyero’s castle), I wonder if they’ll incorporate any of that in the second movie.
@@joeyiscultured They're fun books! There's so many, but they're pretty short and were written for an elementary school reader, so they're quick reads. All of them are full of whimsical characters and nonsensical fun, highly recommend!
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What are you most excited to see in Wicked Part 2?
Definitely what they do with the transformations and the choreography for No Good Deed!
Everything
I’m excited to see the March of the witch hunters!
So, Melissa Bode said that changes were made to Nessa wanting to be fixed so I can't wait to see what happens.
For Good
While Glinda suggests using Nessa as bait to capture Elphaba, Madame Morrible is the one who murders Nessa. Madame Morrible has weather magic and is the person who conjured the tornado and brought the house to Oz. I don’t think Madame Morrible intended to bring along Dorothy, but she and Toto were just there. Of course Oz and Madame Morrible decided to make lemonade out of lemons by using Dorothy to kill Elphaba.
The musical implies that Fiyero/Scarecrow knew the whole time that Elphaba couldn’t be melted by water but due to Oz’s propaganda, the population could readily accept her death that way. We know from the movie, although it’s not shown but instead heard from the sound effects, Fiyero knocks Elphaba into a brook or creek when he accidentally rides into her. He twisted the events at his own castle so “The Wicked Witch” could die and Elphaba could escape and live a normal life. The twist is that Fiyero knows exactly who the Wicked Witch is and is in love with her, but pretends to be with the rest of the group to stop them from actually killing her.
Just pointing this out as well, but Glynda is probably the only person close enough to see her cry during the Oz-dust dance, meaning she should also know water doesn't do anything.
Fiyero sucks and I honestly wish his character wasn't in Wicked. A story about these two women becomes about him. And he even sets up Dorothy. Both Fiyero and Elphaba are ironically both selfish
ELPHIE WAS RIGHT! Those are family heirlooms and some RANDOM HILLBILLY GIRL KILLED YOUR SISTER WITH HER HOUSE AND STOLE YOUR MOTHERS SHOES WHAT???
(Yall mad asf over a jokey joke about Dorothy, damn learn to laugh yall and like Joey’s video)
EXACTLY! She's completelyyyy justified idc what anyone says
@ call me Fiyero the way I’m riding for Elphaba
@@NyikoDoris HAHAHA
To defend Dorothy a little bit, in the Book, she was wanting to give her the shoes out of remorse and wanted her forgiveness for what she did and she didn’t start the tornado, so idk why we’re hating her
@@baalgodofrainshe had those custom red bottoms strapped in faster than Elphaba could sing “it’s meeeee”
"Elphaba flies away on her Swifferjet 1900"
I CANNOT ☠☠☠
Movies need to keep up with the times.
What’s with the Dorothy hate? The poor girl didn’t mean to drop her house on Nessa, she was literally forced to Oz in a tornado that Morrible summoned. She didn’t want the shoes, they hopped on her shoes by magic (that could have been Glinda). And Dorothy was shown to be MORE than happy to just give Elphaba the shoes BUT COULDN’T BECAUSE OF A SPELL THAT SHOCKS ELPHABA! AND SHE APOLOGIZED FOR IT! ELPHABA WAS WILLING TO DROWN TOTO AND KILL DOROTHY FOR THOSE SHOES! THE POOR GIRL WAS BREAKING DOWN CRYING BECAUSE SHE WAS GOING TO DIE IF SHE DIDN’T TAKE THE SHOES OFF WHICH SHE COULD NOT!!
#JusticeformygirlDorothyshedideverythingshecould
Also not to mention she’s literally in a magical world she doesn’t know, and is so desperate to get home that she’ll do what a bubble lady tells her and follow a yellow road to a man who forces her to go kill a witch just to get home😭😭
wait, the shoes were magical. elphaba used magic on the shoes to allow nessa rose to walk, so maybe the shoes HAD to be on someone alive or something and dorothy was just in the wrong place at the wrong time
FRRR!! Wicked is making way too many people hate on Dorothy, she’s just a little girl who wants to get home
The CAPS LOCK button really had its way with you today, didn’t it? Yikes
Poor Dorothy sent in to do all the dirty work.
My theory is scarecrow’s whole “brains” thing was just an act and he was just playing dumb so the wizard couldn’t recognize him. In fact pretty much everyone lies to us the audience/Dorthy when connecting the film to the musical.
This was the only head cannon that got me through the ending.
I thought the whole joke in the film is that the scarecrow is actually quite intelligent, but doesn't realize that he already has what he wanted. This would fit in with it being an act quite well
@@auginetic The whole point of the original is they all possessed the qualities they thought they lacked but it took Dorothy's journey to help them realize and grow.
so many layers to the story and I think every version is just like a multiverse type thing, cuz wasting ur energy trying to force connections is just exhausting. I love every moral and side of the Wicked Universe and ill just leave it there lmaoo
To be fair, Glinda only suggested starting a rumor about Nessarose being in trouble during a moment of weakness. Though still a horrible thing to do, considering the fact that she had also used Nessarose to get Boq to leave her alone, she was naïve enough to believe that Morrible and the Wizard would only make Elphaba’s believe that Nessarose was in trouble.
Glinda is pure weakness. That is her biggest problem - she cares more about being liked by others than about doing what is good. This is not a moment of weakness since she is always weak when faced when doing what is right versus doing what will make other's like her.
Elphaba is pure weakness. The only person she truly cared about was Fiyero. She chose him over everyone and did not care who she hurt in the process. Elphaba truly is the worst and victimizing her failed for me.
From what I remember, in Wizard of Oz, the shoes were magically stuck to Dorothy’s feet. She actually physically couldn’t take them off. Glinda was still a jerk for giving them to her though. Also, don’t remember if the Wicked Witch actually knew that Dorothy was incapable of taking them off in the movie, so, depending on what information Elphada has, from her point of view, she is justified.
Glinda tells her not take them off otherwise she will be killed. This implies that The House Dropping Hussy could’ve taken the stolen shoes off.
@@joelbry2103 Dorothy also offered the shoes back The Witch tries to kill Toto, but she gets electrocuted.so they're kind of stuck. at least if we're following parts of the 1930s movie. 🤔🤷♂
@@TwinRiver100 The author of the books read the original books and didn't necessarily base them off a movie. Movie's are pretty much made for whatever is popular in the moment.
Glinda gave her the shoes so she could get home. Screw Elphaba and her sister
I noticed the lighting in your background. I love spoilers. Nothing can take away from seeing something yourself.
I'm so glad you noticed!!! and oooh I never thought about spoilers that way. That just revolutionized my brain lolllll
I always seek spoilers mainly to make sure I don't miss anything but it's never ruined the experience or the way I feel when I see it myself.
Hard agree
depends on the spoiler
What do you think of spoiling the second act of wicked? I have never seen wicked and just got into it (ive been living under rock) but im so scared where the story is gonna go, shall i spoil it whole and watch the musical and do all the research or is it better as a suprise? (Im so scared to see where the story goes 😭 i love glinda and elphabas relationship and im scared its gonna be gone completely :(
I think what Glinda did was messed up he he was messed up to he invited her to the ball he kissed her even after he started having feelings for Elphaba he still stayed with Glinda and you have to remember there’s a 5 year time jump between act 1 and act 2 so for 5 years he been playing in Glinda face
agreed, glinda has her faults absolutely but she was screwed over in that relationship.
At the same time, Fiyero was quite obvious in his disinterest. That's why she had to spring the engagement. After 5 years you should clock that he has no intention to marry you. Take the L and go.
I totally agree that *Fiyero* has been playing in her face, but her subsequent actions are to harm Elphaba, not him. If Elphaba had been carrying on an affair with him during those five years then I would 10000% understand where she was coming from, but Glinda did absolutely nothing to him and goes straight to helping Morrible and the Wizard trap Elphaba, even offering up her sister to bait her. My stance is that her feelings were justified, but her actions were not. They were misdirected and she was okay with sacrificing the safety of the Animals of Oz over her (misdirected!!) feelings towards Elphaba. I don't think that's justifiable.
@@joeyiscultured Exactly! Why didn't she go after Fiyero's family and friends? Elphaba was standing there just as shocked as Glinda was when Fiyero said he was in love with Elphaba the whole time.
You’re right! The guy was a player too.
You actually see Nessa Rose's father die in Part 1 of the movie! He collapses during Defying Gravity when hearing Madame Morrible's announcement. I only noticed it on my second watch
Yes! I don't think I explained myself well enough in the video. I know he's dead, but I don't think Elphaba should have blindly trusted the cause of death Nessa gave her (not that she had any reason not to trust her sister at that point of the story)
THAT IS MY FAVORITE EASTER EGG FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE SEEN THE SHOW
People keep saying they find what Glinda did with Nessa inexcusable but Nessa was basically a slave-owning dictator so I don’t see what the issue is lol. I get what people mean when they say that, but also….guys 😂😂
Also, Glinda may be responsible for Nessa's death, but she didn’t necessarily intend it. Madame Morrible cast the spell that actually killed her.
Well apparently Madame Morrible made the tornado, but yeah Glinda using Nessa as bait to bring Elphaba out was pretty jacked up.
It's the bigger picture that matters,if her plan worked then not only elphaba but all animals would've been doomed
Yeah but they did not care that Nessarose was tyrant. They only did it to bring Elphaba pain and capture her. Glinda knows more than anyone in the cast that Elphaba would move heaven and hell for Nessarose and STILL made her a target. OVER A MAN!
@@grandempressvicky6387 Yeah that was my point! Thank you for explaining it so well :) I know Madame Morrible is *most* responsible for Nessarose's death, but Glinda gave her the idea to target Nessa because she knew how that would impact Elphaba. Glinda was justified in being upset about Fiyero of course but someone died 😭it's not as simple as "nessarose deserved it" especially when the reason she was killed wasn't because she was a dictator but because Glinda was jealous (even if her jealousy was justified!!)
i love how relaxed and paced this video is it feels like a sleepover gossip session
this is so sweet thank you!! I'm so glad you enjoyed it :)))
It’s so stupid Dorothy gets blamed. She didn’t make the tornado and she didn’t dump the house on Nessa. She also isn’t the one that took the shoes, Glinda did it. Maybe if Elphie tried to explain it instead of threatening someone who is TWELVE in a strange land and wanting to KILL her dog this wouldn’t have happened.
If Glinda didn't tell Madame Morrible to take Elphie's sister, non of this would have happened
Yeah screw Elphaba honestly. And she is a homewrecker and proud and trying to beef with a child who did nothing. Also threatens to drown her dog.
@IronheartvsMiles Elphaba told Glinda to basically abandon her whole life to come with her but the whole time she was betraying her by trying to homewreck her relationship
I kinda wish Glinda knew Elphaba wasn’t dead and that they were all in it together and she just has to play her part and act like she’s dead
There's supposedly two original songs to be added into the second movie. I'm hoping it means they plan on shifting a bit from the original ending and maybe have them reunite or at least be able to aknowledge that the other one is alive and well.
I feel like they’re gonna leave it with Glinda thinking Elphie actually died. NOMTW has such a gravity to it with Glinda having to put on a brave face to the Ozians while acting like she’s not grieving her friend, and Ariana’s performance certainly makes it look like she’s holding back grief. They’re putting so much work into these movies I don’t think they would retroactively undo NOMTW, but if they do I’m curious to see how they justify it
@@billygabrielztotally dumb question, will there be a new wizard of oz adaptation after wicked part 2? i feel like they should really try to capitalize on it honestly
@@trishapaytaskitchenfloor I've already told all my friends that with half the casting and set design made, they definitely could make a remake of the Wizard of Oz film.
I actually have a theory that, in the musical, Glinda suspects that Elphaba is alive but is respecting her wishes by not trying to find her. The reason why I think this is because, even if the people of Oz are right and pure water can melt an evil witch in the Wicked universe, Glinda knows that Elphaba is good, and therefore should be able to deduce that water logically shouldn’t kill her.
Bock didn't deserve to be Tin Man. No amount of "karma" from the way he treated Nessa doesn't justify what Nessa did to him.
He became a tin man because Elphaba tried to save him
He either dies or Elphaba use a spell to save him. Remember, Elphaba can't fully understand what she's casting.
Yeah, that was a very out of left field hot take. Dude was no innocent bean, but calling this karma is... a yikes
As someone who lost a close family member and had other family members come through their house and treat it like a flea market? I completely understand why Elphaba is upset about the shoes. For some people those possessions will become a symbol of that person and they may just want one or 2 things, but people who are less connected will see those possessions as meaningless items they can resell or repurpose.
Dorothy is a 12 year old girl who has no control over the situation at all, she didn’t ask for kill people or for the shoes. She’s a literal child who was just trying to get home
in dorothy’s defense, she didn’t really do anything bad on purpose. it’s not like she wanted her house to drop on nessa and she couldn’t take the shoes off due to a spell. she didn’t ask for any of the bullshit that happens 😭😭😭😭😭
it's a whole mess😭 Idk who's at fault here😭😭
8:00 not a hot take. Boq is the WORST "nice guy."
The one thing that has always bothered me about Act 2 is what happened to Dr Dillamond. Like…we just see him unable to speak in the Wizard’s palace and he just wanders off is not talked about for the rest of the show. Like where did he go?! Does he ever gain his speech back?! 😭😭I hope Part 2 of the movie expands upon this and Elphaba’s animal activism
@@Jetrowdy Elphaba does not gaf. She got what she wanted which is Fiyero. After that nobody mattered to her. She was willing to drown Toto
Poor Dorothy didn't realize the mess she landed herself in 😂
I feel like they’re gonna have the change the wizard/father reveal in the movie, cause in part 1 Glinda knows about the green bottle under Elphies pillow, so she would immediately recognise it at the wizard’s palace, instead of seeing his first and then seeing Elphie’s when she melts. This might be a set up for the movie to include Elphie finding out the wizard is her father, instead of having Glinda piece it together after Elphies ‘death’
I don't know, I'm pretty sure Glinda also knows about the bottle under Elphies pillow in the musical, that's how she knows it belonged to Elphaba's mother, I guess that just wasn't on her mind when she saw the Wizard drinking and got reminded of the bottle after the monkey gave it to her, finally conectinf the dots.
@@mariatorres-by6du exactly that^
How could he be her father? Isn’t he black?
The race of the actress and elphabas skin color (green) are completely unrelated. In the musical the wizard is her father.
The line in the movie where glinda takes out the bottle is straight from the musical.
Girl you ate this down lol I just watched Wicked part one and I was like I need to know the rest of this story since I've never seen the broadway play. This explanation was so good lol Thank you!
Awww thank you! I'm so glad you enjoyed it!! :))
important to mention that elphaba crashing out in fiyero's castle while casting that spell is the best song in the entire musical and perhaps a top 15 song from any musical ever
agreed, That scene will be just so good! I am incredibly curious in how they will film the “as long as your mine” scene too.
💯 So excited to see it on film
Down with Fiyero he is trash lol
@@challengers222 don’t come for my man ever again or i’ll call the flying monkeys
Dorothy literally couldn’t take off the shoes lmao elphaba was willing to kill her
The end really diverts hard from the original Oz books to get things done..in the book the scarecrow becomes the temporary king of Oz because he's so smart..and that passes into the next book.
WHAT omg i had no idea. do you think the book is worth reading before part 2 comes out?
@@joeyisculturedJust a warning the book is VERY VERYYY full of screwed up stuff. I would look up trigger warnings to make sure there’s nothing too much. It’s certainly a book of its time. They all are.
No, the book will ruin the experience of the show. In the broadway show/movie, she is a good person. In the book, she is horribly evil and selfish. The way she mistreats her/fiyero's son is heart wretching and it is hard to see the good in her throughout the whole book.
It has alot of debauchery too with too much R word. It made me ill reading the book after watching the play.
Consider the broadway show/movie a disneyfied version of the book.
Guys the comment was talking about the Oz books, not Wicked Years
I love the sequel Oz books sm, they just go batshit crazy at some points (all points). My hot take is I think that ‘The Marvelous Land of Oz’ is the best Oz book. I’ll die on that hill, I love Ozma with all of my heart.
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Please pose the clip you cut out on shorts, bestie
hahahahha welcome!!! I'm glad you made it over here :)
(Sorry if my grammar is bad ) so my opinion of some of the things glinda did
1. Mr.pincey stayed with her for five years all while he has feeling for elphaba so I’d be hella pissed too. And it’s totally not just a fit of rage from a high school crush at 19
2. Nessa death’s isn’t glinda’s intention. She only suggested to use nessa as a bait. And I mean this whole scenery is literally after her boyfriend of five years and is about to engage left her for her best friend. so I think it might be the root cause of her suggestion
3. I don’t think the shoes is bc of fiyero.
4.her slapping elphaba is pretty justifiable bc wdym you have been doing this behind my back for five years. And when she said “ a lot of us are taking things that don’t belong to us aren’t we” well is she wrong she’s about to be engaged.
I totally see what you're saying! But also Elphaba and Fiyero weren't cheating during that period. Elphaba's been in hiding for those five years and Glinda sprung an engagement on Fiyero that he clearly wasn't into so it isn't a situation where he is actively interested in having a life with her. I think it's really messed up that he stayed with her as long as he did knowing his heart wasn't with her so I'm definitely not saying Glinda wasn't screwed over. Howeverrr, I still don't think any of that justifies selling out Elphaba/Nessarose when she knew the stakes were the safety and freedom of the Animals. Her act of jealousy put so many Ozians in harm's way and I think minimizing the harm that was caused minimizes the complexity of her character.
@@joeyiscultured👏
@joeyiscultured and yet you have no problem minimizing how terrible Elphaba and Fiyero are? Also the fact Elphaba knocked Glinda out to spend time alone with Fiyero but also had no problem goading Glinda telling her to abandon her whole life and be a fugitive with her. Which ultimately would have ended in Elphaba taking Fiyero and Glinda being left with nothing. Then you blaming Dorothy? Elphaba literally held a child hostage and said she would drown her dog. You made me feel for Glinda not Elphaba. Not sure if that was your intention.
I’m so excited to see Jonathan Bailey and Cynthia Erivo’s version of As long as your mine. It’s one of my favourite songs from the musical and I don’t know how I’m going to wait until next November to watch it.
I love how the wizard of oz was all about “I fell into a magical world and I’m going to learn some simple life lessons while I stroll down a paved road”. While we now learn there was this whole teenage soap opera going on in background.
dorothy’s like “i literally just woke up here wtf”
Right, poor girl 😂
HAHAHHAAH hillbilly farm girl to elphaba but she's really just a victim of misinformation and propaganda 💔
I’ve seen the play on Broadway and have heard several ppl talk about the story on UA-cam, and what I have yet to figure out is HOW THE HECK WAS THE SCARECROW SKIPPING BACK DOWN THE YELLOW BRICK ROAD WITH DOROTHY AND THE GANG BUT *ALSO* PULLING ELPHABA OUT OF A TRAP DOOR AT THE SAME TIME ??????
Even at the beginning of the film, you SEE the scarecrow headed back with Dorothy holding the broom to give to Glinda and the Wizard . So how the heck are they gonna fix that plot hole in the movie ??? I hope they find a way to do so . Because I am CONFUSION . 😅
you and me both!!! I have noooo idea lol. people are saying they're going to align more with the original book than the wizard of oz so we shall see lol but I am so very curious 😭 I rewatched the wizard of oz before filming this video to make sure i understood the timeline and it lowkey confused me even more hahahha
@@joeyiscultured I think it could be something super simple
Elphaba gets melted does the whole act
the main party leaves for a bit, but Fyero stays behind and tells the group to go ahead for a second
like maybe he gives some kind of excuse about making sure she's dead, like he was a little bitter she almost burned him with her broom
in actuality he's checking for the trap door to make sure she's ok, they make their moment quick and maybe mentions another passage way out to go without being seen.
And there's probably a stable with some horses down below
after that Fyero joins back up with the party and marches with the Dorothy crew back to Oz
meanwhile Elphaba having gotten out without being seen, gets on a horse and rides off on a different path.
and that's why we see that person in black at the start of the movie riding away from the castle while further down the road is the Dorothy crew going down the yellow brick road. Elphaba probably waited a bit until the place was cleared out before heading out and ridding off some place.
I assume she and Fyero planned some kind of rendezvous point after the Dorothy group does the Emerald City stuff
at least those are some of my fill in guesses from the details i remember from the start of part 1 and some fill in guesses. 🤔🤷♂
think any of that could work?
Possibly Spoilers from what I remember
In the wicked book fyero is not the scarecrow
@@AlexTheGreatCreates Why would Glinda not recognize Fiyero?
2:14 i think u see the governor of munchkinland fall over when madame morrible announces that elphaba is a wicked witch, so maybe he dies from a heart attack
That’s what I thought.
Did they ever explain in the show why Elphaba couldnt just take the shoes off of Dorothy? Just use physical force? And why Glinda wants Dorothy to wear them in the first place?
I think they say they're magically bounded to her feet, but we don't know why Glinda gave them to her (not even on the original book)
@Marinlss that's weird
My small little theory is that because the shoes allowed nessa to walk, so the shoes allows anyone to walk without getting tired I presume (like munchkinland is like a whole train ride to emerald city if that were me I'll get upset at glinda for making me walk that far, but it was fiyero's doing to cuz he would try to stall them to help Elphie) Plus I don't think Elphie wants to damage the shoes so just traumatize the girl cuz she'll not do any good deed again
part of the propaganda is that she's evil and lies, so of course cuz Dorothy believes the munchkins, she will be unwilling to give the wicked witch the powerful shoes as she could use it to destroy oz.
@@ellizkim5231 that makes sense tbh
@@ellizkim5231That’s true, however in the original book Dorothy does try to give the shoes back but they are stuck to her feet, even in the 1939 movie Dorothy was willing to give them up to save Toto, but when Elphaba tries to touch them they burn her, she even says “I should’ve known those shoes would never come off”
The justifications of why the characters turn out the way they do is dumb af, especially the Lion like what? They couldn’t write anything better than that?
now i can have a new personality trait saying “i subscribed to her before she was popular” 😽
THIS IS SO KIND omg
This is why im glad the movie is taking things slower.
yessss there's sooo much story in act 2 shoved into like 40 mins. I'm so happy the movie will give them to flesh this out and address the plotholes
So did the Scarecrow have memory lost trying to go see the powerless wizard? Did he forget he was dating Elphaba or are they going to try to clean that up so it follows the wizard of oz…that part still doesn’t make sense to me
Right like wouldn’t the wizard recognise that Fiyero is the scarecrow as im sure his voice wouldn’t have changed or something like that or maybe it’s just a big plot whole
I hate to be the "iN tHE bOOk" person but... yeah. In the book the scarecrow is just some Munchkin guy who iirc was transformed by Nessa.
I get that the Fiyero twist probably exists for the crowd to go "aww, happy ending!" but can the happy ending please make sense?
well I get your point but the stage was adapted to give us a happy ending that’s why it’s like that as the book would be too graphic for the audience
@@split776 Isn't that Nick Chopper aka the Tin Man that was transformed by Nessa though? Though I agree with the rest.
The whole ending of the musical is the biggest departure from the book because both Fiyero and Elphaba die. And the scarecrow and tin man aren’t part of the wicked (musical) story. The lion is the only one who is actually from the wicked pre story. That is if I recall correctly.
The messiness of it comes from completely straying from the book at this point, and taking out the theme of religion and politics and how it relates to the overall theme of the nature of evil. Both Elphie and Nessa’s character motivations are reduced down to their romantic interests. In the book their father becomes a religious fanatic after a traumatic experience, following a religion with pretty fascist roots (you can’t even mention the previous worshipped religion in oz anymore, because it relates to the former rulers of oz that the wizard murdered when he got there) and Nessa buys into that religious fanaticism 100 percent. She uses it to justify all of her cruelty, and has no desire for love, only obeisance. The tin man isn’t boq, hes a stranger and nessarose enchants his axe to cut off his limbs and kill him in exchange for TWO SHEEP AND A COW. Glinda was never interested in Fiyero in the book either, she marries for money and then pines after Elphaba for the rest of her life. Elphaba is literally doing political terrorism and almost blows up madame morrible in front of an orphanage of children but can’t go through with it, then finds fiyero murdered by the government and her entire life pivots to her trying to find forgiveness in fiyero’s widow Sarima for his death. I could go on and on but making the play focused on nothing but romance is what makes it such a disaster
If Madame Morrible is anything like the musical/movie, did she deserve to get almost blown up in the book? It still sounds like she is the least "wicked" person in the story. But I never read the book
@@chocolate37131 Elphaba sort of kills Morrible in the book some time later. But she's pretty much on her death bed and sort of out of it mentally. And I think Morrible pretty much dies of old age or something just before Elphaba can kill her. and I think Elphaba pretty much stabs her dead body or something. 🤔
@@TwinRiver100 I don't see anything wrong with that tbh. Morrible was...horrible to say the least (I just wanted to make that joke) but fr Morrible was a fascist, and Elphaba's heart was always in the right place, trying to do what is right. So I don't blame her
@@lovechafes How does she have a kid with a straw man though?
@@austinvhm because in the book he is NOT the scarecrow, that is just a musical thing.
I dont think they have a kid in the musical(never saw it) so thats why its never explained
In defense of glinda, she doesnt want anyone to die and thought the wizard and morrible were only going to make elphaba think her sister was in trouble,glinda is actually disgusted when she learns of nessa fate and makes her see the true villians were the wizard and morrible.
@@prowlandsasuke Elphaba and Fiyero are villains too
This is the first video of yours I've watched, and I was surprised to see you don't have more subscribers. It's really well-made, and I enjoyed it. Keep it up! I bet this is going to get a lot of views.
This is so sweet omg I just teared up
Watching the wizard of Oz while thinking about all this crazy shit that’s happening simultaneously is so funny, not to mention the way the timelines don’t even add up like act 2 is insane and a mess and I love it so much
I would think that Glinda of all people would understand obsessing over a pair of shoes.
LOL you're so right
I always want a happy ending. I know how everything goes but somehow i want things to end up better for Elphie and Glinda.
i know exactly what you mean!!! it's such a heartbreaking ending if they keep it like the musical and even worse if they make it like the book
The book reveals Elphaba's true colors more. Even when married to Fiyero she homewrecked his family and was horrible to her own child. She did come back for Glinda but it's sad that Glinda was so used by Elphaba.
I love this video. It’s funny because I went on Wikipedia immediately after watching the movie to find out what happens in part 2 lol I feel like me reading words or hearing a video will never give me what the actual product will not even close. So it’s like who cares if you know what’s gonna happen it still gonna be worth the watch. That’s just like watching Death Becomes Her the movie and now going to see it on broadway. You already know what happens but it’s worth watching. Or like any of these remakes. So I’m loving this take on it. Still can’t wait to see part 2 next year regardless.
Awww I'm so happy you enjoyed!!! One of my friends goes straight to wikipedia for spoilers too so that was exactly why I had the idea to make this video. I was sure a lot of people wouldn't want to wait a whole year to hear the ending. I'm so glad you were able to find this and can't wait for your final thoughts when part 2 comes out!! :)
Well done video! Your sound effects and subtle humor did not go unnoticed. Nice touch! Appreciate your recap, and kept up your wonderful work!
I feel like they're definitely going to have to greatly overhaul act 2
Without context If you had told anyone that the wicked witch of the west and the good witch were in a love triangle with the scarecrow and the Witch of the west was in love with the tin man you would have looked at them like they were tripping
That use of the "Ariana, what are you doing here?" meme is sooooooo fucking funny here I can't
Dorothy, had no control over where her house landed after Madame Morrible made the tornado.
They need to fix what happened with the lion cub and boq and nessa
Lion hating elphaba makes zero sense. Why would he hate her over her freeing him as a cub. Instead have him lose memories or something or have him be tricked into thinking elphaba harmed him rather than blame her for that specific event and flesh it out.
Nessa blaming elphaba for showing her the book is also dumb. Also elphaba giving her the ability to walk? Maybe make that an accident because portraying wheel chairs as bad is just ablest. Maybe have it so elphaba purposely enchants the shoes thinking shes helping Nessa but then nessa tells her that she doesn't want this and she is sick of elphaba infantilizing her over her disability so she is mad at Elphaba for that and the whole scene is framed badly. In the musical, Nessa begs to be able to walk and its shown her being "fixed" as a positive. I want the movie to show this as a negative and have Nessa not want it. Or at the very least if she does want it then have her only have that belief due to corruption from what society has told her like she thinks she needs to be able to walk in order to run munchkin land.
Boq being the Tinman and hating elphaba also makes no sense.
Glinda and elphaba fighting over a man fiyero needs to change, or at least tone it down and make it more serious. Glinda causing nessa to get hurt is also played oddly In the musical. Act 2 has potential, it needs serious fixing though and should be fleshed out in the movie.
also what did elphaba even do in act 2 that was evil that warranted her singing no good deed. It makes no sense, that needs to be flshed out too in the movie. And the whole animal plot too... it doesnt show any of what elphaba did and elphaba and glinda barely interact. Glinda suddenly jails morrible at the end of act 2 but like why didn't she do that before, is it because of the grim book that Elphaba gave her like Im so confused?
ALL OF THIS OMG.
I love your ideas for fixes--especially regarding the ableism. I genuinely felt weird even sharing that part of the story because I hated how that scene was framed. That would be a brilliant way of re-doing that scene. My only concern is that if Elphaba has come to the conclusion that she is okay with being green, wouldn't it seem out of character for her to try to "fix" her sister?
and THANK YOU! I always felt like she hadn't done enough "evil" to warrant that kind of emotional shift. I get that she's absorbing and blaming herself for her sister's death, Fiyero's harm, and Dr. Dillamond, but none of that is her fault and Dillamond would be much worse off without her advocating for him. I'm hoping there's more leading up to No Good Deed in the movie (I think there will be).
I bet they'll fix it in the next movie
Disagree, I haven't met a single disabled person who hasn't wanted to not be disabled thats realistic. And why does Glinda, Fiyero and Elphaba need to change?
@Markus2E516 maybe because people are sick of seeing forms of gay rep where one of the pairing has to lose out to a heteronormative relationship. Fiyero also sucks and why is there so much focus on him in a story supposed to be about these two women
@joeyiscultured Elphaba betrayed Glinda her one and only friend and she treated Dorothy and Toto terribly
How can Dorothy give up the shoes if she’d have to die to give them up
I HATED Nessarose in both act 1 and act 2. Honestly, if I were Elphaba I would have commended Dorthy for dropping that house on her
Oh man like you wouldn't believe. And if the movie nailed the landing of the first part then I can only imagine how they'll top it off in the second
I’ve only seen wicked 3 time once on broadway and twice in the theatres and now Im actually obsessed with this whole story I need part 2 now 😤
Omg, part 2 is crazy but you explained it better than anyone. You literally told us what to expect without silly theories thanks so much.
Now it looks good though is it true the songs in part two are not as catchy and fun as in part 1 ?
I loved part 1 got me a little obsessed. I’ve been watching many videos of some of the play checked different broadway Elphabas starting ofcourse with Idina Menzel and watched so many reviews and musical numbers though unlike other fans I do like to watch a few negative reviews. Since I do want some objectivity.
I do enjoy very much reviews which tell me that not everything was perfect. I like to see reviews with good and bad aspects. Not hyperbolic reviews which say it’s a 10 everything was perfect and totally flawless that’s a big lie.
But really thanks for your summary of what happens in part 2 of the show. So many channels suck at it and start telling fan theories on what they will change and their explanations just don’t make sense.
To adress the first part of the content, I disagree with what you've heard about the songs in Act 2. While the plot is messy, the act 2 songs are actually my favorite part of the soundtrack. I get why people might find them less "fun" because they're more dramatic/emotional, but I'm always way more invested in them
The reason most people say that is because act 2 songs just aren't as flashy as the ones in the first act,but they're all objectively good songs,two if them are the most beloved songs actually
@@xanecho ohh ok thanks so much.
I dont know if i should listen to the second act of the broadway soundtrack right now or wait one year and go fresh to the movie theater next year and discover there the second act songs lol.
But thanks for yelling me part 2 still has some great songs left.
@@sarizonanaI watched a bootleg on yt before the movie (my country rarely does wicked and it's expensive/difficult to get tickets). I knew the story but I didn't know how everything would be, bc as a movie there's so much to pay attention to and there's a bunch of easter eggs, I think it's worth it. Especially if you're really into Wicked, a whole year is a LOT.
@@sarizonana Cosigning what others have said!! I adoreee the songs of part two, but they aren't necessarily as catchy. For Good is one of my favorite broadway songs of all time and that will be in part 2!
And I am so happy you liked my video! Thank you for leaving this kind comment :)))
They should have left that lion cub to suffer so he could "learn to fight his own battles". Ungrateful little snot ball
my jaw dropped when i saw that. Like wdym he's cowardly because of that??? you have to be joking
@@joeyisculturedno good deed goes unpunished
@@bobobojan She only did it to spend time with Fiyero anyway
This video is like the coolest and you’re like my new favorite person 💖
Nah this summary and explanation goes hard and covers all points 😂🔥
I haven’t seen the movie yet but I saw wicked as a child and AHHHHHHHHH I’m so excited
it was sooooo good!!! highly recommend. Of course it's not exactly the same as the musical, but i loved some of the choices they made that strayed from the musical (I won't spoil for you though!!). I hope you love it
Same I watched wicked play in London with my mom when I was a child and then I just saw the movie yesterday with her on her bday ✨💕 I really loved it and Cynthia did a good job as elphaba ✨ bring some tissues because there are def some emotional parts in there. Super Excited for part 2 ! 🎉 and will say the wait is intermission 😂😅
I agree with this video so much its not even funny, the fact that people unironically defend glinda getting her "best friends" SISTER killed just because her man left her is crazy (i get it, getting her killed wasnt her intention but she literally suggested putting her in danger and that wouldve been absolutely vile regardless), the fact that elphaba doesnt even get to know that glinda had a major part in getting her sister killed is so messed up too because up until their final farewell elphaba sees glinda in a positive light just imagine how elphaba wouldve reacted if she had known this, i really dont like how the play paints glinda as a good character in the end either and i think thats mostly why people are so biased to defend her its because at the end of the play shes supposed to be redeemed of everything she did but as i said, getting your friends sister killed for something so arbitrary is absolutely irredeemable in my opinion and thats not even considering everything else glinda did throughout the play
6:00 “Was that Nessa-sary?” 😅
thank you for this!!
I'm so glad you enjoyed!! :)
While what Glinda did was cruel you should try to think from her perspective. Her fiancée who she deeply in love with ran off with her best friend. She is distraught and confuse and just want to see her fiancé and best friend again for explanation or revenge. And in a moment of weakness did something stupid in revenge. She didn’t intend to kill nessa. Same with happen with Dorthy. She was force to go to oz and the shoe literally stuck on her feet. She apologized and wanted to give elphie her shoe back. What piss me off is no one condemning nessa for enslaving the munckin like wtf.
@@Sushidogbat nobody is barking about Elphaba and Fiyero being horrendous either
cute lighting, good audio 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Thank you so much!!! :)))
@ you're welcome 🙏🏾
I went to high school with the and they were roommates girl lol
that's so cool omg i wonder how long it was viral before she found out about it lol
@ I wonder this all the time!
Also March of the witch hunters can’t take place at the same time as “No Good Deed” cause no good deed is where Fyiero becomes the scarecrow, and in March of the witch hunters Dorthy has already been captured. So basically it goes:
- no good deed happens
- most of the wizard of Oz happens
- march of the witch hunters happens
i am SO curious to see how jon m chu is gonna explain the passage of time to make every event make sense.
not really because what happened to Nessa Rose in book and the musical will be completely rewritten because the actress that plays her is actually in a wheelchair.
Idc what anyone says, Elphaba was absolutely right.
Also if nessarose has no haters I am DEAD and BURIED.
@@Lunabyes Elphaba was a homewrecker and a hypocrite byeee
Very important context you forgot to mention (spoilers obviously):
Glinda never suggested they actually kill Nessa. She suggested that they use her to lure Elphaba out of hiding, but it was all Miss Morrible and The Wizard's idea to _actually_ kill her which they do by way of Morrible summoning the tornado that brings Dorothy's house to Oz. Glinda didn't know about this beforehand. Also the idea that Elphaba can be melted with water was never true. It was a rumor spread by those in Oz. Fiyero thinks this is ridiculous and him and Elphaba use this to their advantage in the end when they make everyone believe she was melted.
I hope this sequel isn't a prequel to The Wizard of Oz (1939), these stories have drastically different messages and the characters are too different.
Wicked has always been it's own take or interpretation of the story.
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Elphaba cared about animals so much that she was willing to drown Toto. She is just as bad as Fiyero. Perhaps both went on to live an immortal miserable existence wrapped in eachother's selfishness.
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Fantastic precap. Loved the first part of the movie, reading the book now and loosely adapted from this is putting it very lightly but the book is good too just different lol
Thank you!! I'm so glad you liked it :) and yeah the comments are making me realize I need to read the book asap lol
How much yall wanna bet she was talking about wicked otp in that vine😗
Best explanation ❤
Shouldn't it be messy, though? There would be no drama in the drama if the characters didn't make poor choices. They aren't real so no harm has been done, but there really should be some kind of conflict.
Oh I was saying that it was messy as a positive! I hate boring narratives lol. I find the story of part 2 much more interesting than part 1 tbh
you’re so funny shsjdjdmfkfk i had to sub after the glinder part
hahahahah welcome!!!
So everyone is ok way Elphaba and Fiyero ? I could never justify that shacking up with someone your friends called dibs on. She deserves to rot.
@@PoYi-fi1zt the same friend who, for YEARS, is the face of the PR machine against YOU for…wanting other citizens to be treated as citizens?…Elphaba should’ve been worse lmao
@@PoYi-fi1zt Thank you I agree. Joey is crazy trying to side with those two
I’ve seen it 3 times. I fell asleep the first 2 times.
Oh my gosh they could really do continuation films if they wanted to. I’d love to see the story continue
Finally someone who has nuance beyond "I don't like this character/they're a bad person so any negative things done to them will have no effect on how I view the morals of whoever did them" like GLINDA A WHOLE HOUSE? AND NOT BC SHE WAS A DICTATOR BUT BC YOU WERE TRYING TO HURT/BAIT HER SISTER? nuh uh...
Edit: i realize it's implied that glinda didnt kill her but crazy idea nonetheless
Tbh I’m so excited to see what they do with Part 2 since they get all the time they need to tell the story, because I actually dislike Part 2 onstage.
I really want to see how they film glinda and elphaba’s fight scene in part 2😂
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I didn’t see the wicked movie but i love act 2 of the broadway musical so maybe I’ll see wicked part two to make sure they do that part right
Not that she is right, but fiyero did leave Glinda at the alter… not just “their party “ to (rightfully) run off with Elphaba into the forest for as long as your mine and one of the best songs ever in musical theater, no good deed.
@@Aen8mq Rightfully? Why rightfully? He is terrible and so is Elphaba. Do you mean they deserve eachother for both being insufferable and selfish?
"For Good" is gonna FUCK SO HARD. Like. We all know the reason they split the movie into 2 parts was so they didn't kill people in theatres because of Act 1's beats and then Acts 2's songs. Like we would have all died.
EXACTLY. they're going to have to wheel me out in a gurney after For Good/NOMTW finale
I wonder if they're willing to change the second act things that doesn't make sense.
I'm hoping so because a lot of the plotholes have to do with limited time in the play version, so they'll be able to correct a lot of them for the movie. Fingers crossed!!!
Wow, you got me excited to see Wicked, and I haven’t even seen the first act yet
HAHAHA i hope you enjoy!! I loved it
5:55 “Was that necessary?” Yes and MORE!!!!!
9:14 My male friends have pointed this out to me because it's literally my name irl😭
bruh u really put that into perspective about nessas shoes like.... a house got dropped on her and she died. and the shoes is all elphie has left of her sis. bro when u said that I cried too lol
Watching anyway because I reach the capacity of my watch later list
In the original book, after the wizard leaves, the scarecrow becomes the ruler of Oz and the tin man becomes the King of the Winkies (Fiyero’s castle), I wonder if they’ll incorporate any of that in the second movie.
oh that's insane. i reallyyy need to read this book omg
@@joeyiscultured They're fun books! There's so many, but they're pretty short and were written for an elementary school reader, so they're quick reads. All of them are full of whimsical characters and nonsensical fun, highly recommend!
@@HannahRoyal Hopefully they just get rid of Fiyero
Imma forget all this information by next year so what the hell.
Hahahah that's the spirit!