Grunge The worst story I heard from other than 'poorhouses' complete squalor is the Virgin Cure. Back in the Victorian Era wealthy men would pay a hefty fee to sleep with a virgin because they legitimately thought it could cure their ailment such as syphilis or gonorrhea. Therefore transmitting that STD disease to the innocent virgin.
Be fucking auctioned? Like yeah, in case you too don't want your husband getting away from him is cool, but what are you gonna end up with? Because let me tell you, if you attend shit like that, you're probably a creep or very thirsty.
Venerial Disease was cured with the moss on the skull of a dead man! And carrying around a piss pot to use under the large skirts (I would undoubtedly be wearing, being a woman.)
disease....ever were...no clean water no real medical care surgery was in its infancy and you were more likely going to die after the surgery from infection (no antibiotics till ww2)...asthma was torture for those who suffered from it. DENTISTRY! ...EEK!
Pantheragem ikr I always wonder how it would sound like in the future to know people were injecting their asses , lips and breast with silicon to make them look bigger ! and I guess science will find a way to make human organs for transplantation so we don't need donors anymore ! it would be terrifying to think about our current time ! (excuse my English)
Ocareening A lot of good things happened too. Modern advances with the Industrial age came in that era and the railroads which helped to change travel forever.
Shadow Princess Nami You were better off taking matters into your own hands than trusting their deadly hands. Either way you're dying, because it was a 90% chance of you succumbing to death from infections. They might as well have been executioners. At least you knew what the outcome would be. Bamboozling at its finest.
Insane asylums back in the day were cruel. Mostly women were put there purely for disobeying family members. Since women were owned by mostly there husbands, fathers or brothers if she stepped out of line a simple signed paper plopped her in there. Men who didn't want to be caught with having sex without the women's (Male "Owner") consent could convince them to be admitted. Men could bribe doctors into giving them the diagnosis. Often times letters, money and gifts from family where kept from the patients. Baths basically could mean near drownings and women where beaten for disobeying or "Lying". Although most women were not actually insane, any who where would have no hope of getting better.
My great grandmother was institutionalize shortly after she had my grandmother (1898). We suspect that she had postpartum depression. She died in that place of a disorder that is considered treatable today.
gorm aon-adharcach, I was diagnosed with prenatal depression after my sons were born in the 2000s. A little after 100 years after my great grandmother was institutionalized, a pill literally took care of my postpartum depression. God bless her.
So horrible. But then, decades later women were "cured" with labotomies. My great aunt was considered to be 'too spirited and tom boyish" for a proper lady, and the family doctor convinced her parents to let him do this wonderful new procedure. She ended up living with them until they died, mentally a child until her death at 89.
Death photography still exists, my mom is a funeral home director and people often request photos of their relatives after she has embalmed, dressed them, and applied makeup, its not uncommon!
The picture of the kids sitting on top of the mother under the sheet isn’t a death photo. It’s actually called a “hidden mother photo” They did that so the kids would sit still during the photo taking process, since it took so long back then. The parents didn’t want to be in the picture, but needed the kids to sit still
Originally not my view ; decades ago we had a classroom discussion on the classic novel "Trumpet major" written by Thomas Hardy, a story that happens in a 19th century Sussex village, that has this 'wife-selling' incident. Then a funny guy made this comment. I hope you realise the sarcasm intended.
Death was a much more common and intimate event prior to the 20th century. You were born at home and you died there too. The family washed and prepared the body for burial and held a wake in the home where you'd lived. When the time came pall barers carried you to the churchyard for burial. They weren't morbid, they were just more deaths and people were more involved in the process.
If anyone is curious about Death Photography (memento mori) then feel free to ask. My family to this day takes pictures of our dead loved ones both in the morgue and at the funeral. I think hearing it from someone who grew up with it may help break stigma.
Something no one wants to talk about in anthropology, history, medicine, or law enforcement: infanticide has been practiced as birth control in every society, in every location, from the beginning of time up to today. Imagine the difference in access to birth control we could have it people could admit that unprotected sex leads to dead babies and dead mothers.
Infanticide has been practiced everywhere, all the times but not as birth control , but to eliminate infants born with defective body/organs. Generally , infants were never killed, but left to die a natural death by depriving them of due care. We know that a dozen child-births in a family was not uncommon in old days ; only a few of them reached adulthood which was interpreted as survival of the fittest.
That Death Fetish came down, straight from the top. Anyone around the royalty continually switched up on styles, Ideas, (regardless of what they really meant), and anything else that they could do or act like their 'Betters'. Naturally, this filtered down to the 'common herd', so strong was the drive to appear as a higher social class. When Albert, Queen Victoria's lover and consort died, she went off the deep end in mourning, and so everyone associated with her had to appear to share her depths of grief, it spread to the entire society. Black everywhere you looked, a beast that constantly fed upon itself - (Undertakers NEVER go out of business for lack of clientele)...
The picture of the human body parts at 2:43: I have seen this picture several times as being dated from the famine in Siberia in the 1920s, so I don't see why it is being used in a video about Victorian (by default, English) practices? I may be wrong, feel free to correct me.
Yep, I thought the same. I will never forget that picture. It illuminates one of the worst things that can happen to a people. Starvation that leads to cannibalism. If I recall correctly, the body parts are those of their children that they butchered to sell at a human meat market because it was literally the only food available in the entire region.
I was doubtful over a couple of these but the last one wife selling was definatly misleading. They took place but were not at all like described, the husband did not get paid they were to do with men being responsible for their wives debts. By publicly selling her and a new husband publicly buying her the new husband became responsible for her debts. They could only happen with the agreement of all three, they were for show. They were always rare but by Victorian times they were almost extinct.
Corpse photography was also popular in the US. Though it was eventually banned in most localities because of health concerns. Too many people were dragging their dead relatives to photo studios.
What? Give your own baby away for a fee of $10,000. I had a baby and did not have that kind of money. Seems to me if you have that kind of money, why give your baby away?
actually, death photography is largely a myth. where as yes, people did have pictures of their dead loved ones taken it was not as wide spread as this video and many others would like you to believe. first off, if someone has their eyes closed in a photo that does not mean they are dead, the time for a picture to develop back in the day was much longer then it is now a days, making it really hard for some to hold a certain pose or even keep from blinking. and by the time the time the closed eyes were discovered it was already too late to have it re done and would cost more money to have another shoot altogether. This is why children sometimes had their eyes closed, because it was easier to do the picture that way. and as for babies, the mothers would have to prop them up, not because they are dead, but because they are babies. think about it, they can't stay still for two minutes unless asleep and some babies when the parents decide the have their picture taken are not even old enough to sit up. So the only way to take a baby's picture was to have the parent hold them up and if they were asleep that was even better!as for adults being propped up, this is also a myth. unless they were in a casket when the pictures were taken, then they are likely dead. but the pictures where 'corpses' are standing up seeming unassisted are actually living people. the thing that holds claim for 'propping up the dead' was a similar to a collapsible music stand, but instead on an attachment to hold booklets, it had an attachment that was used to help someone keep a pose for a solid minute. it was not strong at all, and could not hold up a dead body all by it's self. if you tried to prop a body on one without any other assistance then the whole thing would fall over and ruin the entire shoot.Also, the open eyes thing. their eyes were not open to make a body more lifelike, it was because they were maybe, oh, I don't know. ALIVE!?
If you look at the quality of photos of this time is completely trashes your argument. During this period it took minutes to take a single photo. Any little movement, even just BREATHING, would make the image slightly blurred. The dead however, were clear as day. There's a few photographs of toddlers with their mothers, the mothers slightly a blur where as the baby looks as clear as they would through modern cameras. Death photography was a thing. It wasn't fake or a myth. It was legit. But hey, too each their own man, atleast you dont think the earth is flat.
It's a myth that the dead in photos were clear and everyone else was blurred. The person you're replying to is correct. i.pinimg.com/originals/b2/71/1d/b2711dde486e72538cede3f61fe69fb5.jpg That's a photo of Queen Victoria and her eldest daughter taken in 1844. Both are clear and neither are dead.
corpse medicine... don't we still use cadaver bone in certain plastic surgeries? just saying, not judging... I'm not sure how many people are aware how common this is. not every plastic surgery procedure, obviously they try to use your own fat and skin grafts from other parts of your body when they can which eliminates rejection problems, but its still pretty common. kinda creepy, huh? but hey, if i was dead, i have no problem donating my eyes to help someone else see, or my skin, etc. to help people in medical school learn to save lives, etc. i mean, its not like I'm using it anymore...
bettiepagebombshell they do, but also in reconstructive surgery. Bones can't be rejected by the new body because they have no live cells. Also donor skin is used when people are badly burned.
Rose Stewart. Yes definitely cadaver bone is used in reconstructive surgery, many times on the spine. My surgeons harvested my own pelvic bone and marrow for 2 of my surgeries but they could have chosen to use the other.
Also there were Mummy unwrapping parties, yeah you thought these were weird, Victorians used to buy mummies from Egypt and take in turns unwrapping them for entertainment, the objects and jewellery found with the mummies were given away as party gifts, they even used to take the bodies apart and give pieces away as gifts or to private collectors. If that wasn't weird enough some people used to eat them because they believed that mummies had special healing powers.
“Corpse Medicine” is absolutely still a common thing. My little brother was a pro-hockey goalie until he retired and he has more than one other human’s body parts in him.
Sadly, postmortem photos occur in modern hospitals regularly to this day, as stillborn babies are held by their mothers for the only photos they will ever have taken. It is a tragic necessity, as saying “Meh, just throw it in the medical waste” is even worse. The odds are surprisingly high that you may take such a photo one day, as roughly 1 in 4 pregnancies don’t reach term.
Someone didn't do their research for this. It's been long known that the death photograph, at least the one supposedly staged with people trying to look live, was a hoax created on the Internet in the 90s. Of course there's photographs of dead bodies in coffins etc. but those ones are the cute little kids sitting there with their eyes open those children were alive. Also the guy with his head propped up on a stand also alive. Think about the dynamics, you couldn't hold a dead body that way. You had to stay still for photographs and that's why they had that prop for the living.
You're right. The real ones generally look at least a little off... a thin, wasted child or maybe a group of very living gloomy children with one laying on a blanket among them, taking one last photo with the kid. It's true that the apparatus was just to help people stay still for the long exposure and the ones where you can tell an adult is under a blanket holding a child were pretty much the same thing... getting mommy to hold the kid so it stays still.
'Hidden mother' portraits were very common. Children aren't very good at staying still so mothers would drape cloth over themselves and hold the child to help keep it still.
Keam Pickens the stand was there to keep the head in one position. Taking photographs needed much time back then and you couldn't move your head or else the photograph would be blurry. The stands were too weak to hold the weight of a dead body anyways
Just a small correction... grave digging for stealing purposes have always existed... just that before, the dead was buried with their finest jewlery so people stole that, later it was recommended not to bury any valuables.
There were plenty of cases in which and unhappy wife would ask her husband to sell her. The woman would take whatever diary she came into her first marriage with into her new life with whoever bought her. The woman would have the right to refuse to sale after 3 days if she determined that the new husband was not desirable. The first husband would be required to hold on to the pavement he receive for her for the term of three days in case he had to give the money back. Wife sales were very common for poor women who did not conceive in the first 3 years of marriage.
Some of those momento morti photos used as example where actually just regular photos. just because it's a Victorian photo of children it doesn't mean they were dead. There were hints in the photo to tell if they were alive or not.
Dead photography is creepy. Not only that if you died in the poor house you didn't have the rights to a burial unless your family members could pay for your body if not they used your body for medical research.
FUN FACT: perhaps this is the wrong era but I'm very sure there was a time when medical students didn't hold the scalpel ... surgeons and their students did that and was an entirely different category; one that was considered inferior to doctors/med students because it was seen as a 'craft'. Medicine/science was seen superior because it was more of a philosophy - it used the mind rather than the hand. Funny thing though, is that the med students and profs still relied on surgeons to disect cadavars because it was an invaluable learning resource. Still despised them for some reason though ... Don't get me started on the doctor and midwife/witchery dispute hahaha
While Post Mortem photography actually was a custom in Victorian times, most photos shown in this video are not post mortem. You often can even see the movement or the "hidden mothers" used to calm children during the shooting.
Death photography is more myth than fact. While pictures were taken of the dead, it was usually very obvious that they were dead. There was no widespread effort to attempt to make them look alive. The image of the man with the brace to keep him upright was used, not to prop up a corpse, but to keep him steady. This is because photos were taken with long exposure, which means that small movements could end up distorting the photo. The image of the baby being held by a person hidden by a shroud was most likely either the mother or a nanny because, like the man with the brace, they wanted to keep the baby calm. It was easier to do so if the child was being held by someone familiar. Now you might say, "but what about the eyes!" It goes back to movement. The subject looking around could still easily distort an early photograph. So no, they didn't have an obsession with death and posing corpses. They sometimes took a photo of a cadaver shortly after passing, much like people do today.
You can call me weird, but I love victorian era, it's just so horrible, mysterious and creepy that it's fascinating. But don't get me wrong, I am glad that I don't live in that era.. that would be horrible...
Another reason for death picts was simply logistics. Travel was slower and a pic of a deceased loved one was sent to those too far away to travel to the funeral.
The public selling of wife - The classic English novel ' Trumpet Major ' by Thomas Hardy (am I right? ) has such an instance, and I thought it was out of author's imagination !
The picture at 2:42 was NOT from the Victorian Era, not even from England. It is a family in Russia purported to be cannibals during the famine of 1921-1922, brought on during the Russian Revolution due to economic crisis.
For the death photography yes there are pictures of truly dead people but because you had to wait so long for the picture to be taken that people would have calm almost dead like faces. What’s easier, a lively happy photo or a serious calm photo when you have to hold a position for an extended period of time. Also the death photography I don’t find as disturbing as it may seem now. In the modern world we have truly lost our relationship with our dead.
people today dont realize how truely fucked up humanity is and has been. Think of the most sick thing you can imagine... and i'll bet you $100 someone in history had already done somthing worse
Wife selling wasn't as bad as it sounds. It usually was done with the wife's consent. Most often, a husband would privately "sell" his wife to a man she already had an interest in marrying. It was used as a way for poor people to get reasonably amicable divorces because it was impossible otherwise. If the wife was unwilling, it would have been extremely difficult if not impossible even under the laws of those days in England.
Hard to believe Victorian Era families of influence weren't having marriages with first cousins. Gotta keep the family line in tact and keep the wealth in the family you know.
0:54 those kids aren't dead that's how they took pics of kids to keep them still. a Mum or Nanny would hide under a cloth so only the kids would be seen in the photograph.
Their was two brothers or friends ( I can't remember which) who used to go to pubs and get people drunk then drown them in a well. Then they would pull their teeth out to sell to dentist and sell their bodys to doctors. They were ecentually caught and when the were hanged, their body's got given to doctors to disect
Okay first off. Memento mori is still 'alive and well' (I'm so sorry, that was an awful pun) among parents who have lost children either just before or at birth, or while they were still quite young. Moreso among those who experience stillbirths and whose children spend their lives, however long or short, connected to machinery. It's an opportunity to have a family portrait, and pictures of the child, without worry of tubes and cords keeping them from being seen or held, and gives an opportunity for a first (and often last) photo shoot with a family. It's an amazing thing for loss families, and can provide incredible closure that might not otherwise be found. (Check out "Now I Lay Me Down To Sleep", a well-known and unarguably the biggest provider network of illness and death photography for children and families. The work they do is awesome and it's an all-volunteer network of photographers all over the United States.) Second, several of the pictures you displayed aren't even memento mori - please keep in mind that because picture exposure time was so long, even adults had posing equipment used on them, including stands to lean on, keep their heads still, etc. Of the pictures you showed, picture #3 is questionably postmortem, #4 is thought to likely be a picture that is an example of one of many ways to pose an adult using posing equipment that DOES NOT mean they are dead, #6 they are all alive, #7 is alive, #8 is alive. Again, picture taking was a minutes-long process and often children were allowed to or encouraged to fall asleep, especially if they were younger. Adults were encouraged to remain expressionless as it was the easiest position to hold. As for the "bad medicine", a lot of weird shit came out of the Victorian and Edwardian eras. Women were institutionalized and had radical hysterectomies performed on them to alleviate unrelated symptoms and conditions, and one Dr Kellogg (yes, THAT Kellogg!) came up with not only a number of strange, bland diets under the guise of curing myriad conditions but introduced the concept of routine male circumcision at birth to prevent masturbation in the United States. A fervently religious and snake oil obsessed country took hold of the concept, and it became routine to circumcise boys at birth. Obviously, it had little effect on masturbation, and now the United States is still one of the only first-world countries that routinely circumcises boys at birth, even though studies have shown that in a country with widespread access to barrier method birth control options such as condoms, circumcision does more long-term harm than good, with effects ranging from the potential of scarring, readhesion, hemorrhage, and routine under (or just plain lack of) use of anesthetic during the procedure that causes long-term changes in how the brain perceives and reacts to pain, to causing problems down the road with urination, sexual dysfunction, erectile dysfunction, and premature ejaculation, all of which can lead to psychological issues and concerns about normal penile function. We also still routinely perform radical hysterectomies more than is likely necessary, without regard for the woman's long-term well being during early onset menopause and without further investigation into the use or danger of then prescribing hormone therapy to help prevent the problems that early onset menopause can cause in younger women. So, you know. Things were messed up then, but things are messed up now too. Less grave robbing, though. Got that going for us, so that's good.
I think death photography gets a bad rap. Most people had no pictures or portraits of loved ones, it was too expensive. And infant mortality rate was sky high. If you lost your child/baby, who could blame you wanting one picture to remember them by? And of course you'd want it to look like they weren't dead in the photo.
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What would be the worst thing about living back then?
Executioners would have made some serious amount of money it seems, you could say 'they were making a killing'.
Grunge The worst story I heard from other than 'poorhouses' complete squalor is the Virgin Cure. Back in the Victorian Era wealthy men would pay a hefty fee to sleep with a virgin because they legitimately thought it could cure their ailment such as syphilis or gonorrhea. Therefore transmitting that STD disease to the innocent virgin.
Be fucking auctioned? Like yeah, in case you too don't want your husband getting away from him is cool, but what are you gonna end up with? Because let me tell you, if you attend shit like that, you're probably a creep or very thirsty.
Venerial Disease was cured with the moss on the skull of a dead man! And carrying around a piss pot to use under the large skirts (I would undoubtedly be wearing, being a woman.)
disease....ever were...no clean water no real medical care surgery was in its infancy and you were more likely going to die after the surgery from infection (no antibiotics till ww2)...asthma was torture for those who suffered from it. DENTISTRY! ...EEK!
In equal time, we will look equally foolish.
Pantheragem I wonder what our descendants will think of us in the future.
cross dressing
cross Just what I was thinking..
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ikr I always wonder how it would sound like in the future to know people were injecting their asses , lips and breast with silicon to make them look bigger !
and I guess science will find a way to make human organs for transplantation so we don't need donors anymore ! it would be
terrifying to think about our current time !
(excuse my English)
Aya Khaled No need to excuse your English. I wouldn't have known you weren't a native speaker. :)
"Messed-up things that happened in the Victorian Era"
"The entire Victotian Era"
Ocareening A lot of good things happened too. Modern advances with the Industrial age came in that era and the railroads which helped to change travel forever.
@@NeonCherryBlossum Same
The clothes were more fashionable back then though
@@thomasbaron5367 Also very flammable and will kill you in many different ways most common was poison and suffocate to death.
What I took away from this video is that Victorian doctors didn’t know what the fuck they were doing.
Shadow Princess Nami You were better off taking matters into your own hands than trusting their deadly hands. Either way you're dying, because it was a 90% chance of you succumbing to death from infections. They might as well have been executioners. At least you knew what the outcome would be. Bamboozling at its finest.
Insane asylums back in the day were cruel. Mostly women were put there purely for disobeying family members. Since women were owned by mostly there husbands, fathers or brothers if she stepped out of line a simple signed paper plopped her in there. Men who didn't want to be caught with having sex without the women's (Male "Owner") consent could convince them to be admitted. Men could bribe doctors into giving them the diagnosis. Often times letters, money and gifts from family where kept from the patients. Baths basically could mean near drownings and women where beaten for disobeying or "Lying". Although most women were not actually insane, any who where would have no hope of getting better.
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Emma Marie Some women were too.Did you see the lady who strangled babies for profit?
Also, inside the asylums themselves women were subject to sexual abuse & rape by doctors & other employees.
Fantasy Princess That was true in the US until the '60's.
My great grandmother was institutionalize shortly after she had my grandmother (1898). We suspect that she had postpartum depression. She died in that place of a disorder that is considered treatable today.
Michele Hood that's so sad. I'm sure that happened to many women and it was totally unnecessary
Michele Hood 😥
gorm aon-adharcach, I was diagnosed with prenatal depression after my sons were born in the 2000s. A little after 100 years after my great grandmother was institutionalized, a pill literally took care of my postpartum depression. God bless her.
Oh this is so sad 😥
So horrible. But then, decades later women were "cured" with labotomies. My great aunt was considered to be 'too spirited and tom boyish" for a proper lady, and the family doctor convinced her parents to let him do this wonderful new procedure. She ended up living with them until they died, mentally a child until her death at 89.
Death photography still exists, my mom is a funeral home director and people often request photos of their relatives after she has embalmed, dressed them, and applied makeup, its not uncommon!
LittlePretty__ of course! Unfortunately the poster put false photos mixed in :/
Oh no! I didn't even notice honestly
LittlePretty__ Sick...
Cheldea Trivole for some people it’s just how it is.. my grandma had a locket with a lock of someone’s hair in it. She didn’t seem to think much of it
That's still creepy as fuck
The picture of the kids sitting on top of the mother under the sheet isn’t a death photo. It’s actually called a “hidden mother photo” They did that so the kids would sit still during the photo taking process, since it took so long back then. The parents didn’t want to be in the picture, but needed the kids to sit still
Danielle Leon like my daughter’s first passport photo.
Also rape and pedophilia was perfectly fine until later in the 1900s and people are still like that today. It's very sad and disgusting
Chanel Oberlin werent sold like objects thou
Chanel Oberlin And women aren't self entitled?
Rape was always a crime. Stop spreading lies.
@@mirzaahmed6589 Men would abuse their wives everyday, who could the women tell? officers could easily be bribed into silence
Victorians are the emos of time
Lol
But they actually have a reason to be
Wife selling ? I am so glad I wasn't living in that era. :)
If I lived in that era (in that country), I would have made a lot of money by marrying someone, then selling her, probably every month.........
Paivi Project That's still going on...
TV Oommen tf
Originally not my view ; decades ago we had a classroom discussion on the classic novel "Trumpet major" written by Thomas Hardy, a story that happens in a 19th century Sussex village, that has this 'wife-selling' incident. Then a funny guy made this comment. I hope you realise the sarcasm intended.
Masticatious Please don't use the term muslim as an insult. I'm Latina and even I know that's offense to muslims.
Well nowadays we eat fidget spinners and drink bleach
More like nowadays we terrorized eachother and sell people on the internet
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Enzu in that order exactly
Don’t forget tide pods 🙄
Enzu oh how we have grown as a people
Death was a much more common and intimate event prior to the 20th century. You were born at home and you died there too. The family washed and prepared the body for burial and held a wake in the home where you'd lived. When the time came pall barers carried you to the churchyard for burial. They weren't morbid, they were just more deaths and people were more involved in the process.
Joanna Wagner i love your name
More deaths? lol - I thought it was always one person - one death. How were there more?
Kelli Doll The mortality rate was higher, which means a larger percentage of the population died than today.
Yup I'll pass on the Victorian Era
Great news. You already did.
But the mustaches tho
"A lot has changed in the decade since the rule of Queen Victoria." So we are currently in 1911? Right.
God! Women had it so hard
I don't think that we have it as hard as back then lmao
also both sexes have their own problems
no they don't. the feminists I think have taken over already sadly@Chanel Oberlin
@Chanel Oberlin ....no ..they fucking don't relax... women today have it 20xs easier than back then ... just like a man's life is easier today 2019!!!
Women still had it quite hard even today
They still do
people throw stones at other's houses unaware of the fact that they too have houses of glass.
The Victorian Era was messed up yet fascinating.
If anyone is curious about Death Photography (memento mori) then feel free to ask. My family to this day takes pictures of our dead loved ones both in the morgue and at the funeral. I think hearing it from someone who grew up with it may help break stigma.
Alyssa Glass Make a video. Sounds very interesting.
yeah my family do that too...but i personally consider that to be morbid
How do the eyes not rot?
Alyssa Glass What is wrong with you and your family?Leave the deads alone
Constantine V maybe the dead one wanted it
Something no one wants to talk about in anthropology, history, medicine, or law enforcement: infanticide has been practiced as birth control in every society, in every location, from the beginning of time up to today. Imagine the difference in access to birth control we could have it people could admit that unprotected sex leads to dead babies and dead mothers.
Infanticide has been practiced everywhere, all the times but not as birth control , but to eliminate infants born with defective body/organs. Generally , infants were never killed, but left to die a natural death by depriving them of due care. We know that a dozen child-births in a family was not uncommon in old days ; only a few of them reached adulthood which was interpreted as survival of the fittest.
That Death Fetish came down, straight from the top. Anyone around the royalty continually switched up on styles, Ideas, (regardless of what they really meant), and anything else that they could do or act like their 'Betters'. Naturally, this filtered down to the 'common herd', so strong was the drive to appear as a higher social class. When Albert, Queen Victoria's lover and consort died, she went off the deep end in mourning, and so everyone associated with her had to appear to share her depths of grief, it spread to the entire society. Black everywhere you looked, a beast that constantly fed upon itself - (Undertakers NEVER go out of business for lack of clientele)...
For some reason, this makes me want to go back to the Victorian era
I live in the last town in England to have a public wife auction (Horsham) in 1833.
"The victorians were kinda, sort of, obsessed with death..."
*ME*
same
Drezzyy oh wow this is an old comment. Hi 👋🏻
@@ohapplesauce so u still obsessed with death LMAO
@@meggapo1554 I crave the grave
I'm so glad to have toilet paper and a toilet in my own home. (Referring to the brush they had to share back then in public bathrooms)
toilet paper?
Man we use water to clean ourselves
Using toilet paper is still disgusting 🤢
U won't be clean 100%
The picture of the human body parts at 2:43: I have seen this picture several times as being dated from the famine in Siberia in the 1920s, so I don't see why it is being used in a video about Victorian (by default, English) practices? I may be wrong, feel free to correct me.
Yep, I thought the same. I will never forget that picture. It illuminates one of the worst things that can happen to a people. Starvation that leads to cannibalism. If I recall correctly, the body parts are those of their children that they butchered to sell at a human meat market because it was literally the only food available in the entire region.
@@stephenharris5532 yikes!
I just can’t process it, ITS A LITERAL HEAD ON A TABLE AND THE WORST PART IS ITS A REAL PICTURE
So creepy yet so interesting 🧐
I was doubtful over a couple of these but the last one wife selling was definatly misleading. They took place but were not at all like described, the husband did not get paid they were to do with men being responsible for their wives debts. By publicly selling her and a new husband publicly buying her the new husband became responsible for her debts. They could only happen with the agreement of all three, they were for show. They were always rare but by Victorian times they were almost extinct.
Just checked, they were extinct by Victorian times.
Thanks for being a beacon of critical thinking
And also, I'm pretty sure divorce was legal after Henry 8th
@@JackSmith-ul6dp Because of the wives chopping and the Catholic Church refuse to let him divorce?
No, wife or husband sales were not considered legitimate and were frowned upon.
This should be called messed up things that actually happened in London in the Victorian era
Corpse photography was also popular in the US. Though it was eventually banned in most localities because of health concerns. Too many people were dragging their dead relatives to photo studios.
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What? Give your own baby away for a fee of $10,000. I had a baby and did not have that kind of money. Seems to me if you have that kind of money, why give your baby away?
My family and relatives still practise deathphotografy. Its a tradition among us that we still keep in order to honor our dead.
actually, death photography is largely a myth. where as yes, people did have pictures of their dead loved ones taken it was not as wide spread as this video and many others would like you to believe. first off, if someone has their eyes closed in a photo that does not mean they are dead, the time for a picture to develop back in the day was much longer then it is now a days, making it really hard for some to hold a certain pose or even keep from blinking. and by the time the time the closed eyes were discovered it was already too late to have it re done and would cost more money to have another shoot altogether. This is why children sometimes had their eyes closed, because it was easier to do the picture that way. and as for babies, the mothers would have to prop them up, not because they are dead, but because they are babies. think about it, they can't stay still for two minutes unless asleep and some babies when the parents decide the have their picture taken are not even old enough to sit up. So the only way to take a baby's picture was to have the parent hold them up and if they were asleep that was even better!as for adults being propped up, this is also a myth. unless they were in a casket when the pictures were taken, then they are likely dead. but the pictures where 'corpses' are standing up seeming unassisted are actually living people. the thing that holds claim for 'propping up the dead' was a similar to a collapsible music stand, but instead on an attachment to hold booklets, it had an attachment that was used to help someone keep a pose for a solid minute. it was not strong at all, and could not hold up a dead body all by it's self. if you tried to prop a body on one without any other assistance then the whole thing would fall over and ruin the entire shoot.Also, the open eyes thing. their eyes were not open to make a body more lifelike, it was because they were maybe, oh, I don't know. ALIVE!?
Kairi Hughes thank you!
If you look at the quality of photos of this time is completely trashes your argument. During this period it took minutes to take a single photo. Any little movement, even just BREATHING, would make the image slightly blurred. The dead however, were clear as day. There's a few photographs of toddlers with their mothers, the mothers slightly a blur where as the baby looks as clear as they would through modern cameras. Death photography was a thing. It wasn't fake or a myth. It was legit.
But hey, too each their own man, atleast you dont think the earth is flat.
See ask a Mortician! She does a wonderful video on this! I commented the same thing then scrolled down and saw you commented. I gues I’m a deathling
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It's a myth that the dead in photos were clear and everyone else was blurred. The person you're replying to is correct.
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That's a photo of Queen Victoria and her eldest daughter taken in 1844. Both are clear and neither are dead.
I love the Victorian Era's style and art tbh Plus it was a very interesting time.
I enjoy reading things like this. *subscribed*
Yeah but imagine the even worse things that are happening now - and getting worse.
Victorian Era is the proof that medieval is actually just an endless circle in the West that keeps repeating itself never to be gone forever.
corpse medicine... don't we still use cadaver bone in certain plastic surgeries? just saying, not judging... I'm not sure how many people are aware how common this is. not every plastic surgery procedure, obviously they try to use your own fat and skin grafts from other parts of your body when they can which eliminates rejection problems, but its still pretty common. kinda creepy, huh? but hey, if i was dead, i have no problem donating my eyes to help someone else see, or my skin, etc. to help people in medical school learn to save lives, etc. i mean, its not like I'm using it anymore...
bettiepagebombshell they do, but also in reconstructive surgery. Bones can't be rejected by the new body because they have no live cells. Also donor skin is used when people are badly burned.
Rose Stewart. Yes definitely cadaver bone is used in reconstructive surgery, many times on the spine. My surgeons harvested my own pelvic bone and marrow for 2 of my surgeries but they could have chosen to use the other.
bettiepagebombshell the basic concept of organ donation after the donor died could be called modern "corpse medicine" xD
ClaraMarch. 😝 I think I prefer the term "cadaver" better, lol!
Also there were Mummy unwrapping parties, yeah you thought these were weird, Victorians used to buy mummies from Egypt and take in turns unwrapping them for entertainment, the objects and jewellery found with the mummies were given away as party gifts, they even used to take the bodies apart and give pieces away as gifts or to private collectors. If that wasn't weird enough some people used to eat them because they believed that mummies had special healing powers.
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Damn 19 century was wild as fuck
“Corpse Medicine” is absolutely still a common thing. My little brother was a pro-hockey goalie until he retired and he has more than one other human’s body parts in him.
In the *decade* since? Wtf Elizabeth has been on the throne for a good 50+ years.
For some unknown reason, I still want to live in that era... what's wrong with me?
Sadly, postmortem photos occur in modern hospitals regularly to this day, as stillborn babies are held by their mothers for the only photos they will ever have taken. It is a tragic necessity, as saying “Meh, just throw it in the medical waste” is even worse. The odds are surprisingly high that you may take such a photo one day, as roughly 1 in 4 pregnancies don’t reach term.
Someone didn't do their research for this. It's been long known that the death photograph, at least the one supposedly staged with people trying to look live, was a hoax created on the Internet in the 90s. Of course there's photographs of dead bodies in coffins etc. but those ones are the cute little kids sitting there with their eyes open those children were alive. Also the guy with his head propped up on a stand also alive. Think about the dynamics, you couldn't hold a dead body that way. You had to stay still for photographs and that's why they had that prop for the living.
You're right. The real ones generally look at least a little off... a thin, wasted child or maybe a group of very living gloomy children with one laying on a blanket among them, taking one last photo with the kid. It's true that the apparatus was just to help people stay still for the long exposure and the ones where you can tell an adult is under a blanket holding a child were pretty much the same thing... getting mommy to hold the kid so it stays still.
'Hidden mother' portraits were very common. Children aren't very good at staying still so mothers would drape cloth over themselves and hold the child to help keep it still.
Wrong wrong wrong...
Most of the bodies standing up were dead! Theres a dolly like stand that goes behind the body...
Keam Pickens the stand was there to keep the head in one position. Taking photographs needed much time back then and you couldn't move your head or else the photograph would be blurry. The stands were too weak to hold the weight of a dead body anyways
lace x ribbon: Where'd you hear that?
The stands were used for children (toddlers and infants) Of course it wasn't sturdy enough to hold a full adult!
I have a weird obsession and i feel very drawn to this era i don' know why 0.0
Just a small correction... grave digging for stealing purposes have always existed... just that before, the dead was buried with their finest jewlery so people stole that, later it was recommended not to bury any valuables.
There were plenty of cases in which and unhappy wife would ask her husband to sell her. The woman would take whatever diary she came into her first marriage with into her new life with whoever bought her. The woman would have the right to refuse to sale after 3 days if she determined that the new husband was not desirable. The first husband would be required to hold on to the pavement he receive for her for the term of three days in case he had to give the money back. Wife sales were very common for poor women who did not conceive in the first 3 years of marriage.
And this was called being Civilized?
WHY DOES THE THUMBNAIL REMIND ME OF MY GRANDMOTHER I’M -
Some of those momento morti photos used as example where actually just regular photos. just because it's a Victorian photo of children it doesn't mean they were dead. There were hints in the photo to tell if they were alive or not.
The baby farming was the worst one.
I wish my husband would try to sell me! Its gone be some slow singing and flower bringing!
lola bigcups If my bugular alarm starts ringing! Lol
No ones buying you 😂😂
It's DARK 23. Yes saying Id kill my hubby if he tried to sell me is creepy.
crazzi-j north And why would that be ? What are you implying ? We could say the same thing about you.
In about 150 years from now they'll make a video about the messed up things that actually happened during our time.
Dead photography is creepy. Not only that if you died in the poor house you didn't have the rights to a burial unless your family members could pay for your body if not they used your body for medical research.
FUN FACT: perhaps this is the wrong era but I'm very sure there was a time when medical students didn't hold the scalpel ... surgeons and their students did that and was an entirely different category; one that was considered inferior to doctors/med students because it was seen as a 'craft'. Medicine/science was seen superior because it was more of a philosophy - it used the mind rather than the hand. Funny thing though, is that the med students and profs still relied on surgeons to disect cadavars because it was an invaluable learning resource. Still despised them for some reason though ... Don't get me started on the doctor and midwife/witchery dispute hahaha
Thanks for exposing the true savagery of these people....
While Post Mortem photography actually was a custom in Victorian times, most photos shown in this video are not post mortem. You often can even see the movement or the "hidden mothers" used to calm children during the shooting.
death photography is fascinating, not a bad thing at all.
2:40 that photo of Holodomor is haunting AF
I still love victorian era literature. Jane Eyre is the book of my life😉
How did such a screwed up society become so powerful and influential?
Death photography is more myth than fact. While pictures were taken of the dead, it was usually very obvious that they were dead. There was no widespread effort to attempt to make them look alive. The image of the man with the brace to keep him upright was used, not to prop up a corpse, but to keep him steady. This is because photos were taken with long exposure, which means that small movements could end up distorting the photo. The image of the baby being held by a person hidden by a shroud was most likely either the mother or a nanny because, like the man with the brace, they wanted to keep the baby calm. It was easier to do so if the child was being held by someone familiar. Now you might say, "but what about the eyes!" It goes back to movement. The subject looking around could still easily distort an early photograph. So no, they didn't have an obsession with death and posing corpses. They sometimes took a photo of a cadaver shortly after passing, much like people do today.
Lemme guess, you like Nirvana?
You can call me weird, but I love victorian era, it's just so horrible, mysterious and creepy that it's fascinating.
But don't get me wrong, I am glad that I don't live in that era.. that would be horrible...
You sound like siri?
CAMYL Siri is a female voice?
Another reason for death picts was simply logistics. Travel was slower and a pic of a deceased loved one was sent to those too far away to travel to the funeral.
Along with corpse medicine, there was also Mummy Powder, which was the powder from mummies.
2021 : Bro she’s such a gold digger.
1821 : Comrade, she’s such a grave digger.
Factually inaccurate.
But it seems legit
The Victorian Era! Fun to read about, but Hell to live in.
It's interesting that taking photos of the dead went from being proper and sentimental to vulgar, tasteless, and disturbing.
I think being a woman. I've heard it said. That being a woman was a "Medical Condition" yikes!
Turning those shovels into murder weapons and skipping the grave yard all together...... holy shit.
The public selling of wife - The classic English novel ' Trumpet Major ' by Thomas Hardy (am I right? ) has such an instance, and I thought it was out of author's imagination !
The veiled mother photo isn't a death photo. It was a common style of baby portrait.
The picture at 2:42 was NOT from the Victorian Era, not even from England. It is a family in Russia purported to be cannibals during the famine of 1921-1922, brought on during the Russian Revolution due to economic crisis.
The death photography didn't end with the Victorians, it lasted through a good part of the 20th century
I have a photo of my great grandmother in her casket taken in the 1930s.
The wife selling one was kinda funny,imagine hating your spouse so much you're willing to sell them.
For the death photography yes there are pictures of truly dead people but because you had to wait so long for the picture to be taken that people would have calm almost dead like faces. What’s easier, a lively happy photo or a serious calm photo when you have to hold a position for an extended period of time. Also the death photography I don’t find as disturbing as it may seem now. In the modern world we have truly lost our relationship with our dead.
people today dont realize how truely fucked up humanity is and has been.
Think of the most sick thing you can imagine... and i'll bet you $100 someone in history had already done somthing worse
Legit thinking about assassins creed syndicate this whole time
Did ... did he say ‘decade’... since the Victorian era?
Wife selling wasn't as bad as it sounds. It usually was done with the wife's consent. Most often, a husband would privately "sell" his wife to a man she already had an interest in marrying. It was used as a way for poor people to get reasonably amicable divorces because it was impossible otherwise. If the wife was unwilling, it would have been extremely difficult if not impossible even under the laws of those days in England.
Hard to believe Victorian Era families of influence weren't having marriages with first cousins. Gotta keep the family line in tact and keep the wealth in the family you know.
0:54 those kids aren't dead that's how they took pics of kids to keep them still. a Mum or Nanny would hide under a cloth so only the kids would be seen in the photograph.
Victorian era: gives psych hospital patients hysterectomies
2020: gives ice detainees hysterectomies
Somethings just never change huh? Men..
You know what... I'm actually glad I was born in this generation.
Their was two brothers or friends ( I can't remember which) who used to go to pubs and get people drunk then drown them in a well. Then they would pull their teeth out to sell to dentist and sell their bodys to doctors. They were ecentually caught and when the were hanged, their body's got given to doctors to disect
6 BABIES A DAY!?!? How could someone even do that?
What is the story of the photo on 2:38?
Seances and other practices were also very common during the Victorian era, and so was using leeches to try and "cure" many illnesses.
Call me insane, but I love these things! (except of the baby killer)
Human flesh picked in olive oil was still available in Germany as late as 1911 for medicinal use. There is no record of how the flesh was obtained.
At least half of the Victorian post-mortem photos shown weren't actually post-mortem.
Okay first off.
Memento mori is still 'alive and well' (I'm so sorry, that was an awful pun) among parents who have lost children either just before or at birth, or while they were still quite young. Moreso among those who experience stillbirths and whose children spend their lives, however long or short, connected to machinery. It's an opportunity to have a family portrait, and pictures of the child, without worry of tubes and cords keeping them from being seen or held, and gives an opportunity for a first (and often last) photo shoot with a family. It's an amazing thing for loss families, and can provide incredible closure that might not otherwise be found. (Check out "Now I Lay Me Down To Sleep", a well-known and unarguably the biggest provider network of illness and death photography for children and families. The work they do is awesome and it's an all-volunteer network of photographers all over the United States.)
Second, several of the pictures you displayed aren't even memento mori - please keep in mind that because picture exposure time was so long, even adults had posing equipment used on them, including stands to lean on, keep their heads still, etc. Of the pictures you showed, picture #3 is questionably postmortem, #4 is thought to likely be a picture that is an example of one of many ways to pose an adult using posing equipment that DOES NOT mean they are dead, #6 they are all alive, #7 is alive, #8 is alive. Again, picture taking was a minutes-long process and often children were allowed to or encouraged to fall asleep, especially if they were younger. Adults were encouraged to remain expressionless as it was the easiest position to hold.
As for the "bad medicine", a lot of weird shit came out of the Victorian and Edwardian eras. Women were institutionalized and had radical hysterectomies performed on them to alleviate unrelated symptoms and conditions, and one Dr Kellogg (yes, THAT Kellogg!) came up with not only a number of strange, bland diets under the guise of curing myriad conditions but introduced the concept of routine male circumcision at birth to prevent masturbation in the United States. A fervently religious and snake oil obsessed country took hold of the concept, and it became routine to circumcise boys at birth. Obviously, it had little effect on masturbation, and now the United States is still one of the only first-world countries that routinely circumcises boys at birth, even though studies have shown that in a country with widespread access to barrier method birth control options such as condoms, circumcision does more long-term harm than good, with effects ranging from the potential of scarring, readhesion, hemorrhage, and routine under (or just plain lack of) use of anesthetic during the procedure that causes long-term changes in how the brain perceives and reacts to pain, to causing problems down the road with urination, sexual dysfunction, erectile dysfunction, and premature ejaculation, all of which can lead to psychological issues and concerns about normal penile function. We also still routinely perform radical hysterectomies more than is likely necessary, without regard for the woman's long-term well being during early onset menopause and without further investigation into the use or danger of then prescribing hormone therapy to help prevent the problems that early onset menopause can cause in younger women.
So, you know. Things were messed up then, but things are messed up now too. Less grave robbing, though. Got that going for us, so that's good.
I think death photography gets a bad rap. Most people had no pictures or portraits of loved ones, it was too expensive. And infant mortality rate was sky high. If you lost your child/baby, who could blame you wanting one picture to remember them by? And of course you'd want it to look like they weren't dead in the photo.
I was born in the wrong decade...
19th century a Gothic's dream.