İ really like intels approach to problems , and clearly these are very unlikely to happen again. Also i appreciate intels cpu innovasions in recent years with p core e core design and multi tile design . İ hope from now it will only get better. İ am waiting for panther lake with 18a node and xe3.keep good work
"Very unlikely" can we count how many times Intel patches really fix something or make something quicker 😂?? Disclaimer : their quick sync and GPU are great , but CPU and lock function everywhere include SA / pcie bifurcation/ecc support / overclock and undervolt lock are meh Those good days from s478/775 no restrictions and long living socket are all gone , thanks intel
I've done all the proper updates so far and I'm not seeing much of an improvement with my 265k :( Can Intel come out with a list of things that need to be installed (Bios, windows update, drivers etc) that are needed for the performance improvement? That would be very helpful.
And also proper drivers. i spend time also with users and most do not add drivers. Thanks so much Robert and Alejandro. I know is hard and more the way I see it also the correct way. the why. I know that in the flesh, and I wish some day learn more. Huge effort team work.
I like current Intel being transparent of what happened but also they keep trying to fix what's broken, unlike *cough cough* Amd who didn't even want to admit Zen 5 issues.
Yes very transparent like how they were transparent about 13th and 14th gen and totally dodged a lawsuit as well a massive stock price drop rigggghhhhhtttt ?
Using Intel since Pentium 2. And now I'm thinking about upgrading my 12600K, the problem is for some reason at least in my area Z890 is way expensive than X870.
Hi Robert , I think you must call " Mike Clark " and his team to help Intel P-Core design underhood X86 Advisory Group agreement suddenly. P-Core ( Lion Cove and Cougar Cove Core ) scalable lower than E-Core design. You'll need architect overhual recently. Core Ultra need to follow XEON 6 root. You must have Core Ultra E-Core isolate part for gaming or homeuse and Core Ultra P-Core model with HT Enable and AVX512 and AMX support for high-end user and creator. No more hybrid design need on Next W12 Era.
Few things intel, make something like 64 efficiency core desktop cpu. Start making quad channel for desktop. Add more pcie lanes. . . For gaming try something like 3d v cache. I heard you have L4 cache. And for gpu give us B770. The 12gb vram and 16 gb vram segment is hungry for products. Best of luck.
Yes, quad channel for desktop! Apple showed with their M chips that it can be very beneficial. No need to go to 16 channels as the M ultra chips, but at least quad channel. Dual channel on 24-32 thread CPU is ridiculous!
please but bring back monolithic design like 14gen below but on most cutting edge node like tsmc 2nm or intel 18a, mean raw performance with very low layency like intel do in the past, memory controller on separate die is most of the culprit of high latency.
no need x3d, but bring back monolithic design like 14gen below but on most cutting edge node like tsmc 2nm or intel 18a, mean raw performance with very low layency like intel do in the past
@@eblanueblanovich8902according to framechaser? Huh 9800x3d is out performing expensive 14900kDDR5 8000mhz tuned 6ghz. Do not benchmark AMD CPUs with MSI afterburner because it's causing stuttering on AMD CPUs.
SELECTIVE HONESTY IS NOT HONESTY. Did we get any "straight talk PR video" about warranty for 13th and 14th gen CPU degradation? NO, Intel kept quiet and hoped people'd slowly forget. Did Intel do any "straight talk PR video" about not bringing full APO support to 12th and 13th gen to stop E-cores from slowing down games? NO, sucks for you if you are an early adopter to our hybrid CPUs.
This video is pretty tone deaf, pretending they "fixed" ArrowLake. In gaming the 285K flagship remains slower than even the previous generation mid-range chip, the Core i5-14600K. With all the multi-threading/power improvements this chip would be great if it could just run games as well as the previous generation. That doesn't seem like much to ask.
@@FireCestina1200 Maybe..but the person in the black shirt audio sounds muffled at times the other person is ok even though they are both mick'd up. probably just me. I still gave a thumbs up !
No major improvements though. To fix Arrow Lake-S, they could have looked for an 8+32 config which was cancelled, maybe get Hyperthreading back, fix the slow ring bus, fix memory latency which I think just needs to have the memory controller not separated through tiles, try to get them clocking higher, or just release next gen quickly with Intel 18A node.
Initial reviews were almost unanimously negative, so if you did not see the problems pre-launch and were not sure for 6 weeks afterwards, shame on you. It's always complicated and a new product and product design need a thousand things to go right, but it's not a first for Intel or for the industry. Most of the time it's dome right. You messed up big time here, and once the reputation is damaged that badly, it's difficult to recover. Bad, bad, bad job. No excuses.
There isn't a company or technology that isn't susceptible or has experienced such issues in their history. It's the nature of the beast and the issue or even the root cause of the issue, IMO, is not really something we should focus on but, rather, the response to the issue. They did the "mia culpa" and addressed the problem. What else more do you want, Mr. Perfect? He explained why it happened. The testing lab was using the latest power management package while it wasn't pushed to the public. It happens.
Maybe it’s time to move from a lake to the ocean, time to grow up, like when you finally moved off the 14nm+++++++++++++++++ manufacturing awesomeness.
İ really like intels approach to problems , and clearly these are very unlikely to happen again. Also i appreciate intels cpu innovasions in recent years with p core e core design and multi tile design . İ hope from now it will only get better. İ am waiting for panther lake with 18a node and xe3.keep good work
"Very unlikely"
can we count how many times Intel patches really fix something or make something quicker 😂??
Disclaimer : their quick sync and GPU are great , but CPU and lock function everywhere include SA / pcie bifurcation/ecc support / overclock and undervolt lock are meh
Those good days from s478/775 no restrictions and long living socket are all gone , thanks intel
Bruhh it happens everytime new products are launched, even for AMD.
I've done all the proper updates so far and I'm not seeing much of an improvement with my 265k :( Can Intel come out with a list of things that need to be installed (Bios, windows update, drivers etc) that are needed for the performance improvement? That would be very helpful.
Hey will the next gen be on the same socket
Desktoo processor like core ultra 3 and ultra 5 what date launch
Hey Robert where is Field Update 2 of 2 on Intel's community website?
Wann gibt es denn eine endgültige Lösung
And also proper drivers. i spend time also with users and most do not add drivers. Thanks so much Robert and Alejandro. I know is hard and more the way I see it also the correct way. the why. I know that in the flesh, and I wish some day learn more. Huge effort team work.
I like current Intel being transparent of what happened but also they keep trying to fix what's broken, unlike *cough cough* Amd who didn't even want to admit Zen 5 issues.
Intel literally re-released sky lake like 30 times and alder lake 3 times. Neither of these companies are your friends.
Stop riding companies.
Tell that to the 13th gen owners with failing CPUs due to excessive voltage
Yes very transparent like how they were transparent about 13th and 14th gen and totally dodged a lawsuit as well a massive stock price drop rigggghhhhhtttt ?
Link to community is field update 1 of 2 and not 2/2 unless it is not different?
Sadly I’m not seeing any improvements with the 265k.
You clearly need an X3D chip too, stop being cocky
Intel missed the holiday season where a big chunk of the sales happen.
Using Intel since Pentium 2. And now I'm thinking about upgrading my 12600K, the problem is for some reason at least in my area Z890 is way expensive than X870.
Hi Robert , I think you must call " Mike Clark " and his team to help Intel P-Core design underhood X86 Advisory Group agreement suddenly. P-Core ( Lion Cove and Cougar Cove Core ) scalable lower than E-Core design. You'll need architect overhual recently.
Core Ultra need to follow XEON 6 root. You must have Core Ultra E-Core isolate part for gaming or homeuse and Core Ultra P-Core model with HT Enable and AVX512 and AMX support for high-end user and creator.
No more hybrid design need on Next W12 Era.
Few things intel, make something like 64 efficiency core desktop cpu. Start making quad channel for desktop. Add more pcie lanes.
.
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For gaming try something like 3d v cache. I heard you have L4 cache. And for gpu give us B770. The 12gb vram and 16 gb vram segment is hungry for products.
Best of luck.
Yes, quad channel for desktop! Apple showed with their M chips that it can be very beneficial. No need to go to 16 channels as the M ultra chips, but at least quad channel. Dual channel on 24-32 thread CPU is ridiculous!
@@Winnetou17 4 channel memory would be exciting
They must bring back L4 cache especially since they now have a chaplet design.
Intel need a real OD consultant like myself
I like Robert Hallock. Here, and in his presentation on the new laptop processors, he's straight forward with no BS. It's a breath of fresh air.
please but bring back monolithic design like 14gen below but on most cutting edge node like tsmc 2nm or intel 18a, mean raw performance with very low layency like intel do in the past, memory controller on separate die is most of the culprit of high latency.
In gaming x3d chips are hard to beat for intel and it's sad that intel is not for gamer's anymore 😢
Huh? Tuned raptor lake already beats them
@@eblanueblanovich8902 I prefer productivity and will take a 1 or 2% hit in gaming if it means having 20 to 50% better multicore performance.
@@eblanueblanovich8902In your dream sadly.
no need x3d, but bring back monolithic design like 14gen below but on most cutting edge node like tsmc 2nm or intel 18a, mean raw performance with very low layency like intel do in the past
@@eblanueblanovich8902according to framechaser? Huh 9800x3d is out performing expensive 14900kDDR5 8000mhz tuned 6ghz. Do not benchmark AMD CPUs with MSI afterburner because it's causing stuttering on AMD CPUs.
Go back to monolithic for gods sake
SELECTIVE HONESTY IS NOT HONESTY.
Did we get any "straight talk PR video" about warranty for 13th and 14th gen CPU degradation? NO, Intel kept quiet and hoped people'd slowly forget. Did Intel do any "straight talk PR video" about not bringing full APO support to 12th and 13th gen to stop E-cores from slowing down games? NO, sucks for you if you are an early adopter to our hybrid CPUs.
I will never buy Intel CPU if Intel continue using P Core+ E Core. Pls make CPU with all P core again
Hey Guys... How much Intel are Payin for Partners dont put AMD CPU o the Top Products??
This video is pretty tone deaf, pretending they "fixed" ArrowLake. In gaming the 285K flagship remains slower than even the previous generation mid-range chip, the Core i5-14600K. With all the multi-threading/power improvements this chip would be great if it could just run games as well as the previous generation. That doesn't seem like much to ask.
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Audio..sounds like an echo chamber.
Seems like a YOU problem.
@@FireCestina1200 Maybe..but the person in the black shirt audio sounds muffled at times the other person is ok even though they are both mick'd up. probably just me. I still gave a thumbs up !
No major improvements though. To fix Arrow Lake-S, they could have looked for an 8+32 config which was cancelled, maybe get Hyperthreading back, fix the slow ring bus, fix memory latency which I think just needs to have the memory controller not separated through tiles, try to get them clocking higher, or just release next gen quickly with Intel 18A node.
Hyperthreading isn't worth it. Also Arrow Lake is getting another microcode update to hopefully put it where it should be
They canceled the 8+32 variant so they could beef up the NPU. My god who is the product planner over there?
8+32 isn't worth it because costs and that config might bring new problems to the ringbus.
@@TitanPlakInside Huh?
Initial reviews were almost unanimously negative, so if you did not see the problems pre-launch and were not sure for 6 weeks afterwards, shame on you. It's always complicated and a new product and product design need a thousand things to go right, but it's not a first for Intel or for the industry. Most of the time it's dome right. You messed up big time here, and once the reputation is damaged that badly, it's difficult to recover. Bad, bad, bad job. No excuses.
There isn't a company or technology that isn't susceptible or has experienced such issues in their history. It's the nature of the beast and the issue or even the root cause of the issue, IMO, is not really something we should focus on but, rather, the response to the issue. They did the "mia culpa" and addressed the problem. What else more do you want, Mr. Perfect? He explained why it happened. The testing lab was using the latest power management package while it wasn't pushed to the public. It happens.
Nah, this was new for Intel. Ryzen has massive teething issues as well.
Maybe it’s time to move from a lake to the ocean, time to grow up, like when you finally moved off the 14nm+++++++++++++++++ manufacturing awesomeness.