I really hope Framework will have an Intel variant for Framework 16. Preferably with CAMM2 memory. I really want my next laptop to be Arrow Lake, but with 128+GB of RAM, which so few offer.
@@akshat8586 For productivity, it might not be worse. There's instances where Arrow Lake is the fastest CPU. And I do work on my laptop, though I don't really know if for what I do it's Intel or AMD that are the fastest. The other part, is not rational, I kind of see Intel as the underdog now, and I want to support them. I like the direction they're going now and I hope they maintain it (and go over their current woes). I don't want it to die.
@@Winnetou17 There's no instance Arrow Lake is the fastest. They're providing 2020 performance today. The new AMD Chip is 402% faster compared to Core Ultra 9 288V in Blender, let that sink in.
I really hope Intel can significantly redesign the P-cores, as the core performance of P-cores currently has a substantial gap compared to the ARM architecture.
Intel's P-Cores really need a MAJOR rework though. 3x larger than skymont, consuming way more power for just 5-10% higher IPC than Skymont? That's yikes.
please keep catering for the gaming community... we want solid performance that's AFFORDABLE. the B580 hit the mark, perfectly. keep going! can't wait for the higher end flagship cards
They'll use the B570 to build out driver support. Not worth building high-end GPUs until driver support reaches flagship level. That said, I'd also love to see even a 5080 competitor from Intel. Before even considering competing with 5090, they'll have to flesh out AI support for python/R libraries and local LLMs. Something to compete with CUDA.
at least for mobile light laps needed to launch next gen sooner than the end of this year lunar lake like soc since it got the potential but not widely available since on package memory constraints as i read and got the efficiency but two gen behind in terms of performance compared to apple . needed mid year one just for efficient seekers
Panther 18a is where I would upgrade from my Nehalem. Picture it. 15 year gap, looks like it would finally be worth it in my eyes, but also not excited by the idea of big+small cores on desktop, which is clearly repurposed laptop architectures. So honestly I would keep waiting for HEDT, years longer. I'm just not interested anymore. Mainly because of where consumer's wallets have led us to, and it's trajectory.
Why are you even bothering with Intel anymore ? AMD just launched an actual Apple competitor which has good battery life while also being between M4 Pro and M4 Max in performance in CPU and GPU both.
@@akshat8586 and what Chip is that? Intel has a really good featureset still like Quicksync which up until recently, not even Nvidia has gotten onpar with.
@@PixelatedWolf2077 Ryzen AI Max+ 395 which is 402% faster than Core Ultra 9 288V in blender classroom and at minimum 384% faster in 3D Rendering tasks. Even last year the Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 was a lot faster than Intel while being cheaper too and remember these chips are highly efficient and meant for thin and lights with very high performance and battery life.
Fix thunderbolt 2 compatibility with thunderbolt 4 on Intel Core Ultra. Audio community is flooded with thunderbolt 2 devices. Don't turn your back on the audio community. At least make a thunderbolt firmware downgrade tool so thunderbolt 2 devices works on thunderbolt 4.
That is more likely to meet what we have been expecting the king of CPU to tell the world how strong and best Intel is. For those Intel's non-technical presentation in CES 2025 before, that were not as persuasive as this one, because even the CEO or deputy were not showing their confidence in the product to the world. To make the presentations to be tangible, it needs digits, comparisons, familiarization in business, technical aspects, and market, and confidence. This time, the presentation has re-declared they are the king. Intel, don't 'waste each chance to show off, keep going!!
Right. There is only the 21% mark comparison for performance per watt against the 185H but does it means that we can expect 21% extra battery efficiency with a 285H in a laptop for example?
Panther 18a is where I would upgrade from my Nehalem. Picture it. 15 year gap, looks like it would finally be worth it in my eyes, but also not excited by the idea of big+small cores on desktop, which is clearly repurposed laptop architectures. So honestly I would keep waiting for HEDT, years longer. I'm just not interested anymore. Mainly because of where consumer's wallets have led us to, and it's trajectory.
The Core Ultra 9 isn't bad by any means. It's a very powerful and capable CPU. The problem is that it's not particularly good value, and AMD options exist which are cheaper and offer similar or battery performance in one or the other application.
@@auritro3903 Similar battery life....Dude AMD is dead last on all battery test behind Qualcomm, Apple and Intel. Even same chassis laptops with Qualcomm, Intel and AMD will show result where AMD is behind by 1-2 hours. Not to mention Intel is better in ST, which is more important for your everyday task.
Why are they so focused on Qualcomm processor comparisons and not their usual competition such as AMD? That's just suspicious 😅 like they trying to avoid comparing the AMD chips who are their strongest competitiors for CPUs...
Because, in client, Intel doesn't see AMD as a threat. AMD can't compete where it matters to Intel. Qualcomm and ARM present a very differentiated threat/challenge. The irony here is that Qualcomm will likely take market share from AMD and not Intel.
Amd isn't competition in term of efficiency test because they sucks so bad at it, Qualcomm is the only worth benchmark for Intel. Even Intel Lunar Lake beating qualcomm x elite CPU at performance efficiency while totally demolished any Amd CPU in comparison.
@@auritro3903 Yes, and that is because they are almost singularly focused on being used to wipe up the floor in the DCGPU market by Nvidia. All their resources are going into DC, in particular, DCGPU's.
No need already in any performance increase for the same power consumption there is a need on fanless laptops that may save weight, size, add battery, save the same battery capacity on a cooling system
You guys just have to compare INTEL presentation to Nvidia. INTEL needs to get new blood who knows the current time. NVDA is using CGI presentation and INTC is still using powerpoint! It feels like you are presenting to Grandma.
Can't believe Ryzen Man stand on Intel CES stage. Did he AMD SPY showing Intel garbage situation cleary ? Did he the man who decide disable HT for Lion Cove P-Core consumer ? Lion Cove became the Kitten Cove on Arrow Lake in final.
bruh these things are gonna get absolutely destroyed by strix halo parts. like the absolute best they have, the 285hx is like 30% better than ai 375 on avg. keep in mid that's with 50% more power draw. 285hx has 8p cores and 16 e cores meanwhile ai 375 has 4 p cores and 8 e cores. strix halo hx 395 has 16 p cores and 40 core gpu.💀💀that's gonna put these things in ground.
AMD products beat everyone as long as they remain in power point . Just like their Mi300x claims. When they FINALLY (after being called out by the industry) were forced to release MLPerf metrics they could barely keep up with last generation Nvidia parts. But that's not what Lisa Su told everyone....
@stz1973 bro what has ai accelerators have to do with consumer parts? Amd CPUs have always been way more efficient than Intel CPUs in laptops. That gap is just going to increase with strix halo parts.
@@oogwaythesussyturtle Lol cope harder. Amd absolutely got destroyed by Intel when it comes to performance efficiency. Even qualcomm doing better at this than overrated garbage Amd cpu.
@@oogwaythesussyturtle YO BRUH! I just talk to my OTHER BROS and BRUH and they told me to tell you: BRO, like you should reread the statement again. It's AMD's M.O. to overstate performance whether it be AI accelerators or CPU's. STRIX HALO will also fall into that trap. Good luck with your AMD part, BRUH! BRO OU!
Not in America. Intel has lots of contracts with business laptops. That is where Lunar Lake CPU thrives. High single core performance, good battery life, good ports, and full X86 compatibility. AMD doesn't have access to that maket in mass. AMD dominates the gaming industry right now. PS5, Xbox series X, PS5 Pro, and mini-PC gaming.
@cptairwolf As much you delusional Amd fanboy want to believe, but sadly reality tend to hit you harder with the facts Intel still own 2/3 of PC marketshare compared to Amd because what? Number never lies, only you Amd fanboy lying which is pathetic 😭🤡
@@cptairwolf But didn't AMD not even properly show off their new 9000 lineup on GPUs? They're barely coming out with an ML upscaler and supposedly proper RT support.
Ah yes, 30% overall market share in AMD's favour increased 15% since Ryzen launch is "completely taken over the CPU market" 💀 I'm happy about AMD's competition, and their products are really good (I'm using an AMD device right now), but saying "AMD has completely taken over the CPU market" is such a massive and hilarious stretch.
Waiting for B780/B770 announcement, I really hope you release a higher end Battlemage card in Q1 this year.
When i see the prices of nvidia, i think they might go for it. Something like 5070 performance for 400-450US.
Yeah
cant wait C series intel gpu, hope they make a gpu 4090 performance under $500 or $400
He speaks pretty well with confidence and very little uhhs or stutters.
Toastmasters!
I really hope Framework will have an Intel variant for Framework 16. Preferably with CAMM2 memory. I really want my next laptop to be Arrow Lake, but with 128+GB of RAM, which so few offer.
@@Winnetou17 I don't understand why would you wanna buy a worse platform ? Like go for AMD.
@@akshat8586 For productivity, it might not be worse. There's instances where Arrow Lake is the fastest CPU. And I do work on my laptop, though I don't really know if for what I do it's Intel or AMD that are the fastest.
The other part, is not rational, I kind of see Intel as the underdog now, and I want to support them. I like the direction they're going now and I hope they maintain it (and go over their current woes). I don't want it to die.
@@Winnetou17 There's no instance Arrow Lake is the fastest. They're providing 2020 performance today. The new AMD Chip is 402% faster compared to Core Ultra 9 288V in Blender, let that sink in.
@@akshat8586 288V is not Arrow Lake, it's Lunar Lake. You probably didn't watched the Arrow Lake benchmarks. For 285K, that is
@@Winnetou17 We're talking about laptops here bud. 285K ? A processor that can't beat M4 Max (A laptop SOC) ?
I really hope Intel can significantly redesign the P-cores, as the core performance of P-cores currently has a substantial gap compared to the ARM architecture.
Intel's P-Cores really need a MAJOR rework though. 3x larger than skymont, consuming way more power for just 5-10% higher IPC than Skymont? That's yikes.
I will wait for the time when gaming laptops are all ARM.. no matter how long it takes
@@GoldenEDM_2018 It will take years, and it needs developer supports to make that all happen too.
@@TitanPlakInside no matter how long it takes my brother.. i am willing to wait
@@GoldenEDM_2018 it's coming 2039
please keep catering for the gaming community... we want solid performance that's AFFORDABLE. the B580 hit the mark, perfectly. keep going! can't wait for the higher end flagship cards
As an Intel fan, I wantIntel's next Graphics card to simply beat 5090 in a greater margin subtly like how they did with 4060, 4060ti using B570
They'll use the B570 to build out driver support. Not worth building high-end GPUs until driver support reaches flagship level. That said, I'd also love to see even a 5080 competitor from Intel. Before even considering competing with 5090, they'll have to flesh out AI support for python/R libraries and local LLMs. Something to compete with CUDA.
I have a 4070. Pretty much all i need. I dont think they need to move much passed the 4070 ti with 16 gigs to be successful with pc gamer.
at least for mobile light laps needed to launch next gen sooner than the end of this year lunar lake like soc since it got the potential but not widely available since on package memory constraints as i read and got the efficiency but two gen behind in terms of performance compared to apple . needed mid year one just for efficient seekers
@@gayashanperera-w2e I'm hoping Panther Lake is gonna give the fight to ARM chips.
Panther 18a is where I would upgrade from my Nehalem.
Picture it. 15 year gap, looks like it would finally be worth it in my eyes, but also not excited by the idea of big+small cores on desktop, which is clearly repurposed laptop architectures. So honestly I would keep waiting for HEDT, years longer.
I'm just not interested anymore.
Mainly because of where consumer's wallets have led us to, and it's trajectory.
Why are you even bothering with Intel anymore ? AMD just launched an actual Apple competitor which has good battery life while also being between M4 Pro and M4 Max in performance in CPU and GPU both.
@@akshat8586 and what Chip is that? Intel has a really good featureset still like Quicksync which up until recently, not even Nvidia has gotten onpar with.
@@PixelatedWolf2077 Ryzen AI Max+ 395 which is 402% faster than Core Ultra 9 288V in blender classroom and at minimum 384% faster in 3D Rendering tasks. Even last year the Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 was a lot faster than Intel while being cheaper too and remember these chips are highly efficient and meant for thin and lights with very high performance and battery life.
Fix thunderbolt 2 compatibility with thunderbolt 4 on Intel Core Ultra. Audio community is flooded with thunderbolt 2 devices. Don't turn your back on the audio community. At least make a thunderbolt firmware downgrade tool so thunderbolt 2 devices works on thunderbolt 4.
Hope they bring down the cost of the new intel cpus and increase performance than the last gen
That is more likely to meet what we have been expecting the king of CPU to tell the world how strong and best Intel is. For those Intel's non-technical presentation in CES 2025 before, that were not as persuasive as this one, because even the CEO or deputy were not showing their confidence in the product to the world. To make the presentations to be tangible, it needs digits, comparisons, familiarization in business, technical aspects, and market, and confidence. This time, the presentation has re-declared they are the king. Intel, don't 'waste each chance to show off, keep going!!
Dont compare Amd and Intel ,price ratio matters the most😂😂😂
No chart on battery efficiency?
Right. There is only the 21% mark comparison for performance per watt against the 185H but does it means that we can expect 21% extra battery efficiency with a 285H in a laptop for example?
Panther 18a is where I would upgrade from my Nehalem.
Picture it. 15 year gap, looks like it would finally be worth it in my eyes, but also not excited by the idea of big+small cores on desktop, which is clearly repurposed laptop architectures. So honestly I would keep waiting for HEDT, years longer.
I'm just not interested anymore.
Mainly because of where consumer's wallets have led us to, and it's trajectory.
nehalem 😮 that thing is pre historic
I’m still bullish and buying it’s a long term hold in my opinion!!! American company that could provide jobs and limit our national security exposure
Is this a Chip innovation demonstration or a Powerpoint demo?
WHAT ALL THOSE AMD SHILLS SAY,
intel's new ultra 9 is very good, i'm using it for both gaming and productivity tasks
The Core Ultra 9 isn't bad by any means. It's a very powerful and capable CPU. The problem is that it's not particularly good value, and AMD options exist which are cheaper and offer similar or battery performance in one or the other application.
@@auritro3903 Similar battery life....Dude AMD is dead last on all battery test behind Qualcomm, Apple and Intel. Even same chassis laptops with Qualcomm, Intel and AMD will show result where AMD is behind by 1-2 hours. Not to mention Intel is better in ST, which is more important for your everyday task.
Ooooh new B860 chipset at a great price... that seals the deal for me for my next CPU upgrade from Ryzen 5700X!!
Nice.
Thunderbolt 5.0 and USB c 5.0
The USB equivalent to the TB5 will be the USB4v2 (I hate those names but just a heads up)
I just bought my laptop 😭😭😭
Why are they so focused on Qualcomm processor comparisons and not their usual competition such as AMD? That's just suspicious 😅 like they trying to avoid comparing the AMD chips who are their strongest competitiors for CPUs...
Because, in client, Intel doesn't see AMD as a threat. AMD can't compete where it matters to Intel. Qualcomm and ARM present a very differentiated threat/challenge. The irony here is that Qualcomm will likely take market share from AMD and not Intel.
Amd isn't competition in term of efficiency test because they sucks so bad at it, Qualcomm is the only worth benchmark for Intel. Even Intel Lunar Lake beating qualcomm x elite CPU at performance efficiency while totally demolished any Amd CPU in comparison.
its all about efficiency. ARM is the right comparison.
@@stz1973 If AMD doesn't step up their OEM game and improve communications with them, no amount of technological wonders will save them.
@@auritro3903 Yes, and that is because they are almost singularly focused on being used to wipe up the floor in the DCGPU market by Nvidia. All their resources are going into DC, in particular, DCGPU's.
No need already in any performance increase for the same power consumption
there is a need on fanless laptops
that may save weight, size, add battery, save the same battery capacity on a cooling system
B780?
Nice shoes, I love them.
PS: Intel is the best.
every1 keeps claiming their chip is #% faster than others. can we have a neutral regulatory body to test those claims.
Didn't he work for AMD before? He probably got paid well
You guys just have to compare INTEL presentation to Nvidia. INTEL needs to get new blood who knows the current time. NVDA is using CGI presentation and INTC is still using powerpoint! It feels like you are presenting to Grandma.
VERY DISAPPOINTING!
Summary: Arrow lake vs. Lunar lake
CPU: "up to" 10% more
GPU: "up to" 15% more
NPU: 73% less (why!)
Can't believe Ryzen Man stand on Intel CES stage. Did he AMD SPY showing Intel garbage situation cleary ? Did he the man who decide disable HT for Lion Cove P-Core consumer ? Lion Cove became the Kitten Cove on Arrow Lake in final.
What?
@@kartikpintu He is AMD Spy man ua-cam.com/video/0_OD2FZqUSM/v-deo.html
@@kartikpintu ua-cam.com/video/prAaADB9Kck/v-deo.html
@@kartikpintuhe refers to Robert who used to work and advertise AMD
Now Compare it with AMD X3D lineups, what happen.
Only gamers care about X3D.
@kartikpintu And Ryzen Max Pro
@@kartikpintuok ... so which types of laptops are the Intel HX processors mostly launching in?
X3D runs warm for an AMD processor
@@agungdarmayuda5754 Still can't compete.
I really think Intel will have to license 3D Cache from AMD the same way they had to license AMD64
mb
bruh these things are gonna get absolutely destroyed by strix halo parts. like the absolute best they have, the 285hx is like 30% better than ai 375 on avg. keep in mid that's with 50% more power draw. 285hx has 8p cores and 16 e cores meanwhile ai 375 has 4 p cores and 8 e cores. strix halo hx 395 has 16 p cores and 40 core gpu.💀💀that's gonna put these things in ground.
AMD products beat everyone as long as they remain in power point . Just like their Mi300x claims. When they FINALLY (after being called out by the industry) were forced to release MLPerf metrics they could barely keep up with last generation Nvidia parts. But that's not what Lisa Su told everyone....
@stz1973 bro what has ai accelerators have to do with consumer parts? Amd CPUs have always been way more efficient than Intel CPUs in laptops. That gap is just going to increase with strix halo parts.
@@oogwaythesussyturtle Lol cope harder. Amd absolutely got destroyed by Intel when it comes to performance efficiency. Even qualcomm doing better at this than overrated garbage Amd cpu.
Garbage naming scheme of AMD.
@@oogwaythesussyturtle YO BRUH! I just talk to my OTHER BROS and BRUH and they told me to tell you: BRO, like you should reread the statement again. It's AMD's M.O. to overstate performance whether it be AI accelerators or CPU's. STRIX HALO will also fall into that trap. Good luck with your AMD part, BRUH! BRO OU!
intel only sucks...
Intel, Dead inside.
Intel is dead... AMD has completely taken over the CPU market not to mention their GPUs are a total fail as well.
Not in America. Intel has lots of contracts with business laptops. That is where Lunar Lake CPU thrives. High single core performance, good battery life, good ports, and full X86 compatibility.
AMD doesn't have access to that maket in mass. AMD dominates the gaming industry right now. PS5, Xbox series X, PS5 Pro, and mini-PC gaming.
Anger bait?
@cptairwolf As much you delusional Amd fanboy want to believe, but sadly reality tend to hit you harder with the facts Intel still own 2/3 of PC marketshare compared to Amd because what? Number never lies, only you Amd fanboy lying which is pathetic 😭🤡
@@cptairwolf But didn't AMD not even properly show off their new 9000 lineup on GPUs? They're barely coming out with an ML upscaler and supposedly proper RT support.
Ah yes, 30% overall market share in AMD's favour increased 15% since Ryzen launch is "completely taken over the CPU market" 💀
I'm happy about AMD's competition, and their products are really good (I'm using an AMD device right now), but saying "AMD has completely taken over the CPU market" is such a massive and hilarious stretch.
it is a shame, that picture is 24p in this video
it is not a movie
and it is very visible, annoys and irritate