If There Are Big Cats, Why Are There No Big Dogs?
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- If There Are Big Cats, Why Are There No Big Dogs?
There are many remarkable, gigantic dogs in the world. But all these mega-breed giant dogs are breeds. Hence, created by man, from a much smaller, naturally existing canine species. And they are all of the same species. The Big Cats are all of their individual species and created by evolution. They gained their size to be the most successful predators possible in their hunting style to survive. There are no natural canines that fit that description, to the same extent that the Big Cats do.
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I've always considered Bear's to be the alternative to Giant Dog's.
they are, they are caniforms, carnivorous dog like carnivores. I just looked it up on wikipedia.
@@PAAKWAMEPAA no Bears are NOT dogs. By that logic Hyenas are cats too but they aren’t. you can’t breed the two animals. They’re completely different creatures and don’t even have the same number of chromosomes. Bears have 74 chromosomes, whereas dogs have a mere 39. If you tried to make a bear-dog, you’d likely end up with a fat bear and a dog skeleton. Bears and Dogs “spit” 55 million years ago while big cats and cats split only 10 million years ago. So the bear dog “split” happened 45 million years before cats and big cats. Which means the cat split is 4.5 times closer to our time than they are to the bear dog “split” time. Do u have any idea how much a species can change in 45 million years?
While dogs and bears have a common ancestor, the time that has elapsed between that common ancestor and the current paradigm of bears and dogs has seen the two separate and distinct species arise.
It’s not accurate to say that dogs and bears split up, but rather that they shared a common ancestor at some point. This common ancestor was neither a bear nor a dog, but many factors such as geographical isolation caused the two distinctive lines to arise.
In effect, this makes dogs and bears no more related to each other than bears are to cats, or dogs to cats.
It is important to also consider the huge impact that the domestication of wolves has had on the trajectory of both species. Dogs are just domesticated wolves, and selection pressures put on the species by humans has resulted in a huge diversity of dog breeds and traits
Bear aren't directly related to dog. They're not the same thing and they're not the closest animal relationship between bears. Bear are more related to sea lions.. some dog here might will saying they shared ancestors isn't? Figure out
Actually, bears and dogs are very closely related, they are part of the infraorder Cynopsia (meaning "dog-shaped faced ones" in latin), which also groups both dogs and ursoids with the pinnipeds, Cynopsia is divided into two parvorders, Eufissipedia (meaning "truly split-footed ones" in latin) and Pinnipedia (meaning "merged-footed ones" in latin), the latter contains the pinnipeds (collectively seals, hooded seals, elephant seals, sea lions, fur seals, and walruses), while the former contains the dogs, the bears, and the giant panda (collectively known as eufissipeds), the parvorder Eufissipedia comprises of two superfamilies, Canoidea, to which the dogs (family Canidae) are the only extant family and Ursoidea, which includes two extant families, Ursidae for the bears and Ailuropodidae for the giant panda and its fossil relatives (collectively known as greater pandas), while its sister group being the parvorder Pinnipedia is also divided into two superfamilies, Phocoidea for the families Phocidae (Seals) and Cystophoridae (Hooded Seal and Elephant Seals) and Otarioidea for the families Otariidae (Sea Lions and Fur Seals) and Odobenidae (Walrus and Fossil Relatives).
@@indyreno2933 Bears are more closely related to sea lions and weasels than dogs. Its like saying a hyena is a cat or everything is a dog bc everything evolved from the first creature
*Edit:* watch his recent video. They are NOT closely related
Fun Fact: Canids used to have retractable claws and more powerful forelimbs, certainly nowhere near felines but it’s still impressive. Canids eventually lost those traits because the change in strategy.
If it was good why was it cut out goes against evolution
@@ashleyoasis7948 they eventually turned into persistence hunters, which is more beneficial with non-retractable claws.
@@kaydenchan7093 Wrong. There were two separate subfamilies of canids, apart from the extant canines. The ones with retractable claws were the Hesperocyonines, and they were actually very small and slender, almost like foxes. The “big dogs” were the Borophagines, that had evolved to become bone crushers and were completely solitary. Modern canines did not evolve from either subfamily, they took a completely different evolutionary path.
even in domestic dog breeds, the dewclaw is still present
They essentially turned into marathon runners
This guy gave 110% on every word for his voice over.
I actually found it mildly annoying. I was wondering if anyone else thought he was trying too hard lol the voice is wonderful but I felt like he was overselling it.
I think it's a synthetic voice.
Or he's not a native speaker of the language.
Either way, the delivery seems strange and contrived (and annoying) to native speakers.
@@sagnastyboi3 Agree. I actually stopped watching because I thought it was bothering me so much. I started reading through the comments to see if anyone else had, and found pretty positive responses to the content. "InDeEd, tHe ConTenT WasSssS PreTtY GooD."
most of these facts videos have such annoying narrators sadly :c
It's a bot voice. Notice how pauses are so out of place at times.
The dingo has a relative that "sings" and no one thought to call it the singo?
Lol that makes a hell lotta sense😂
Heard one of them joined the Beatles and was called Ringo.
i cant tell if ur being serious or making a bad pun.... either way i hate this post...... +2 points.
@@TheSkizz89I thought he went down to Mexico and got called a gringo
They should have called it Ringo
I think it’s because canines evolved to work together meaning that they didn’t have to be very large. A smaller animal requires less resources. Aside from Lions, most big cats are solitary meaning they have to be bigger to survive.
A lot of evidence is showing big cats aren’t solitary when resources are abundant, humans and our destruction of habitat have made it so the groups split up in fear theyll never hunt enough for everyone to share. Cheetahs hunt in coordinated groups, leopards have been viewed chilling in mated and non-mated pairs for years, even cougars have been seen in groups lately.
@@Futurebound_jpg Mother/Father tigers have been seen sharing kills with previous mates, as well as children that have already grown up. This is usually when prey is abundant tho
im sorry, but your logic is far too simplistic, with far too many cats of all sizes coexisting with each other, in the same territories, hu;ting the same prey species, as well as caniines, Lions, cheetahs, Leopards, all big cats, two of which hunt as family units, and one is mostly a solitary hunter. all are reasonably successful, the most successsful of all carnivores who hunt in numbers, is the African hunting dogs, with a far higher percentage of successful hunts than any other African plains/forest carnivore.
the bengal tiger, the biggest cat of all, solitary, the Scottish wildcat, one of the smallest, solitary. the cerval, lynx, and caracal, all fairly small, all solitary hunters,
i think you maŷ need to rethink your theory a bit, imo. just saying!
I think you've already have the answer in your comment. All those smaller cats you mentioned can't take a prey much larger by themselves and those cats don't share the ecological niche with bigger cats, they are NOT hunting the same prey animals. An solitary lynx which is roughly the same as a medium size dog can't take down an adult buffalo but a pack of dogs can with better probability of success as you pointed out.
The theory here is there is an alternative strategy to being large and powerful is to be smaller but numerous.
Bro never heard about lion prides
If there was a Large honey badger we’d all be dead 😂
A wise man once said, if a weasel was the size of a Labrador, humans would be done for .
@@drice2223thats why Wolverines exist
If insects were as big as adult humans humanity would have gone extinct!
@@HypocriticalUA-cam1if our oxygen levels never depleted through deforestation it could’ve been.
@@HypocriticalUA-cam1I heard a scientist that clones animals in China speak at length about how giant insects are possible to engineer. Absolutely terrifying.
This makes me very curious about dingoes since their wrists can rotate/they're unusually flexible compared to other dogs. Since the non-retractable claws and moderate size of canids lend to endurance hunting rather than ambush, I wonder if the wrist rotation and flexibility reflect different hunting strategies.
Dingoes are just the descendants of ancient domesticated dogs, so they aren't that different to them.
Yeh dingos were brought to Australia by the aboriginal people, they’re just rewilded domestic dogs.
True, but they've had 3000+ years to evolve to their new prey: I'd imagine the flexibility allows them to be more successful catching the smaller prey native to Australia.
The dingo ate my baby
@@adambald600 this will never die💀
I remember walking through the big cat exhibit at the Chicago zoo and wondering how a dog that likes chasing cats would act in the presence of lions, tigers, leopards and such. Would it run up to the cages or be looking for the exit?
Probably the exit lol
One nervous bark, then hiding behind a human 😆
dog understand size. they know they are prey when they see big feline. they know the difference style of other dogs. thats why you see hunting dog dont fight when they are out numbered. they do the chase, and run with against coyotes and such. but they bark against all big felines like bobcats and such.
but then you have those owner who teach their pitbull mean. so mean it attack anything that move. i wonder their mean and fearless how would they react to a lion or a tiger.
no animal is stupid, their instincts will tell them "we're alone this animal is larger and a threat to me" a bobcat or lynx would likely run away from pitbulls, rottweilers, a mastiff might make a cougar or cheetah back down. Anything larger and it would be in big cats favor.
It would depend on the breed of dog and the dog itself. Some would run. Some would go directly at the big cat. Conversely, some of the big cats would run, others would attack the dog.
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While the anatomy of the forearms and the hunting style do explain the size limitation in canines, how is it possible that Bears, especially Grizzlies, can run fast and have exceptional stamina while being so big and heavy?
Bears are massive even compared to big Cats, but then they have the same huge and powerful forearms with grappling ability!
Yep bears are impressive for sure in terms of size and speed. Canines go all out in the pursuit lifestyle, bears use all those tools and strength to gain access to more resources than canines are able to. It doesn’t have to rely solely on pursuing game, it can target only things it knows it can catch(injured prey).
But a bear will never outrun a pack of dogs, a creature fully invested in its only ability to feed itself which is fast hard distance pursuits. Black bears will end up stuck in a tree, brown(if encouraged to run by say trailing human hunters.) will tire and be forced to stand its ground.
Bears are impressive and basically a real life monster, but wolves actively hunt bears for food.
An old, sick, or injured bear doesn’t die peacefully, the wolves get them.
i would like to think bears, has a time limit. food is harder to fine in their area. they have to compete against other predator before and even now. today they compete against other smaller bears, their own species and even wolf. so for them to hibernate they need to eat as much as possible before they hibernate. so evolution force them to have this huge stamina when they are hungry. i dont know any other species that has so much stamina for their size. normally, they have skinny legs for speed, long leg for distance travel. but bears.... amazing when hungry
@@BlueRice bears are omnivores though so they can eat tubers, fruits and other plant based foods if they arent able to hunt or scavenge meat.
@@xavierescano4559 i know that. just like bats, bats when they hibernate, they almost near death during those period. thats why recent fungus that keep on making bats waking up during hibernation, they burn more energy faster before they have anything left for the duration of the winter. so they died because of that.
any animal that hibernate need enough fuel to survive. since the body consume their body fat to keep them warm. thats why bear lose almost all their fat during hibernation.
Canines also helped us protect ourselves from large cats.
It's kinda tricky to protect yourself against such a strong noctural predator who can climb pretty much anywhere while you sleep.
Myth, domestic dogs happened 40.000 years ago. At that time, humans already erased all human specialized hunting big cats in africa. Dogs joined humans, because they share the same hunt method, stamina hunting in packs, but close a gap in our hunting, the smell section. But in the end, the first dogs joined, because we simply out hunted the prey for there ancestors (human is most efficient stamina hunter in the world), and the dog needed to beg for meat from our pack, when we butchered the prey.
Lions have a similar change in behavior, as long a Masai cow in the Serengeti has a cowbell, lions will ignore the herd of cows. When a lion hunts a human, then it was always an old lion on his last ditch, who couldn't hunt anything else.
Even the sentence "lions hunt in packs, but relative short in history" in the video implicate, that solo lions at some points need to form packs, to have a chance against the pack hunter human.
Never take humans to lightly, even with no weapon, we are a scary hunter.
And if you check the "big eagle" from Madagascar, and New Zealand. They are prime example, how the human pack erase a predator in two different places in less than 100 years, after humans settled the islands. The eagle actually caught child and adult humans, because we were in the same league as there natural prey, but that was there doom. Less than 100 years until total extinction.
Even today, apes in Madagascar check the sky regularly, as a deep survival reflex, but there is no "eagle" left, who is a danger to apes in size.
@@aqvamarek5316 I'm not talking about africa, you goof, especially since canines don't really roam africa . And I'm not talking about canines hunting felines, you goof . And big felines which can hint humans were always present since they only need to be big, you goof.
Whoever made this video hasn’t met me yet -The Big Dog
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Canidae are probably the only other animal that has had success through persistence hunting. It's no doubt why they were chosen to be man's best friend.
Komodo dragon family, hyenas and lungless spiders but you do have a very good point.
Some archeologists believe watching dogs hunt trained humans to exhaust prey, allowing larger kills, more glory thus more neuro connections, and more nutrition to feed our brains' growth.
My dog looks like a white wolf, but he's GSD, Golden and Pit.
can you explain , like what does it mean "persistent" in relation to big cats
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Big cats are ambush predators, they might sprint over a short distance but they can't keep it up.
The dog line just keeps chasing you until you're exhausted and doesn't rely on sneaking up
@@SoBayK80 GSD, Golden and pit is an interesting combination, does he have fur like a golden?
"big dogs don't exist"
Bears and sea lions: Bruh I'm right here
Exactly what I was thinking seeing the title
Bears arent even dogs
Tbf, calling them dogs is like calling hyena a cat.
Bears are not dogs buddy. That is the stupidest thing i have ever heard.
@@SilverSisu you must be blind then. How about I fly you out so you can play fetch with one
Wild dogs might not be that big, but they're the most successful hunters of all the major predators.
Style over size.
You mean strategy over size. I don't think a peacock feathers make it very successful in survival
They have the numbers advantage.
@@cinderwave9562 You'd be surprised " The Peacock's feathers are used as a Camoflauge. According to the experts, many of the animals that pose the biggest threats to peacocks lack the color vision to detect the brilliant colors of the tail feathers.
It also leaves them stunned for a bit and they usually only have them out for a little bit
This is an interesting topic that I've never considered before...great video!
Wow really, I’ve always wondered this very thing. So many different types of cats but only wolves & wild dogs as a hunter of dog species
Yep, just never thought about it...but that one huge prehistoric dog was pretty amazing looking...nobody would bother you if you had one of those on a leash...Lol!
@@RONJAE212003 I agree that it’s weird that there are so many cat species but only a handful of dog species that are apex predators. Also that both canine and feline predators can live in the same environment but look, behave and hunt the same prey differently.
I love seeing wolves when they think no one is looking and they behave like loving puppies to each other. This is an ancient species that has learned to fear man because we are murderous and dangerous; but they can still be puppies when they aren’t ripping out deer throats . Least they’re honest about it.
Lol you think they donno people are looking
@@devon8438 there’s such a thing as cameras that can be used remotely
You can’t serious believe wolves are shy about being ‘loving puppies’ when people are watching
I can only speak for myself when I say that I am not murderous and dangerous, and I don’t know anybody who is, to the best of my knowledge. What kind of people do you hang out with?
@@ethanlamoureux5306 We are all murderous and dangerous its in our DNA just like most animals on the planet. the only difference is that we haven't had to be murderous or dangerous because other people do it for us and we just go pick up the aftermath from the store.
You gave away the answer in the very beginning. "Cats grow to the size that made them the top predator in there style" canines are the same. They're as big as they need to be for how they hunt and live
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I would expect a large solitary dog species to lose out to the already existing bears. That's a dog related kill stealing specialist right there, and their evolutionary kit makes them inherently better at face to face, "I'm taking this carcass," confrontations than any size dog could be. Provided the dogs are solitary of course.
Well the whole reason those giant, badass, bone-crushing dogs went extinct is because of competition. Cats came in as well as bears so the giant dogs started losing food
Bears are actually closely related to dogs so I guess in a way, there are giant dogs.
Hmmmm... have people NOT heard of Werewolves and/or Dogman !!
Samples that have been taken contains canid elements !! They're obviously VERY large types of " dog " !!
@@juliecook6057 is this Peter Caine?
@@jer2689
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It's not just that there aren't "big dogs." What's remarkable about felines is the size variation, depending on what kind of critters they eat. There are species as small as a rusty-spotted cat, and as large as a Siberian tiger. If you think of other land carnivores there's some size diversity in canines, bears, and mustelids, but not like that.
Come to think of it, not many land animals have that kind of range. I guess rodents do, but not many others.
I mean the size range with sharks is probably the craziest ever. There’s sharks as small is you’re thumb, and then there’s sharks as large as 2.5 school buses (well, an extinct one). If you think about it, one is literally 10,000,000x larger than the other…
@@ConsciousApostle999 yes. With sea creatures it's a whole different ball game. Whole other world below that surface that we don't even know all about. I didn't know sharks got that small, but did know some are small enough to fit in a household fish tank. For that matter, even whales have a pretty big size range. Not to mention mollusks and crustaceans.
@@75aces97 that moment where you go from seeing nothing but tank sized fish for most of your life, just to watch a video of someone catching a fish that’s casually grown man sized
Spiders?
Birds, snakes and lizards have a huge size difference between the smallest and the largest species, as well.
Cougars might be a solitary ambush predator, but they are also the largest small cat. That makes them very different from the rest of the cats in the group you listed.
If a cougar knocks you to the ground and has you by the neck, would you still think of it as a small cat?
@@tonyprice2256 Cougars are not in the genus Panthera, so they are very different from all of those cats. They have far more genetically, behaviorally, and anatomically in common with smaller species of cats than the large cats. It isn't a size classification so much as a biological one. I suggest you read up on the differences.
@@KnightsWithoutATable I know the differences. They are the largest of the 'smaller' classification of felines, but are physically the fourth largest cat on the planet. So once again, in the physical realm, not from an academic standpoint, if a cat can knock a man to the ground, and get him by the throat, would that man see that cat as being small?
@@tonyprice2256 They did have the name mountain lions, but they hardly every attacked adult humans. Cougars are not quite big enough to consider humans prey unless it is a child. So my answer would still be that they are not big cats.
@@tonyprice2256 If a falconet flew at you and crashed pathetically into your chest, would you still call it a raptor?"
is your question just curiosity on what the OP considers "physically small", despite "small cat" not necessarily describing the cat's general size?
Very informative! I never thought of the feline shoulder and limb advantage until you mentioned it. That's what also helps them in being good tree climbers.
This allowed me to understand why cats are usually independent creatures with humans and why dogs usually look for pack leaders. If there are no pack leaders in their human owners, the dog becomes the alpha and the human becomes the beta. For cats, they are independent hunters and dont always need a relationship with others
Alpha and beta is not an actual concept that exists, the person who did the research with wolves later debunked his own work after finding out it was just a mother wolf and her children.
@@Afgdgdh Dogs are definitely pacl animals. For cats, you can look at lions, they also have pack mentality too. It's how evolution evolved behavior. In a pack, there are roles in which they perform so the pack gets protection, resources. Natural selection applies here too
Read to it, it was debunked for real@@meejmuas8686
@@Afgdgdhits coming from small hat goblin scientists
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Due to the big cats solitary lifestyle we don't even know if we have found the largest feline, also take into account fossil formation is actually very rare so who knows how many species we are really missing from the fossil records.
That applies to any prehistoric animal tbh not just cats and canines. The fossil record is super unreliable if you truly look at the bigger picture. It's almost sad to think about how many experts believe that if all of the species that have existed on earth were a wall then the amount of animals that's we've discovered so far would be but a mere dent in that wall.
This is true to an extent. However. It's worth mentioning that in some cases, much fossil material is referred to a single genus or species. We can infer that there were probably not more common animals living in the same area, with a similar lifestyle, at the same time, for which we have no fossil material. e.g. It's highly unlikely that there was actually a Smilodon Giganteus that weighed a tonne and overlapped the known species throughout most of their range, was common, and preyed on different animals.
Anything that is extinct and unknown needs to either have been much rarer or much less prone to fossilization than species known from multiple finds.
We had big dogs, things like the bear dogs existed so did dire wolves. Bophagamizers (not likely I spelled that right) also where large dogs. Also credit too Newfoundlands, Mastifs, and Great Danes all breeds that are pretty large when you get some big ones.
I think this video meant canines that live in the wild not domesticated ones
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Wolves. Modern timber wolves have been videoed and photographed that reach the size of ponies. They used to be even bigger. And dire wolves (which were canids, albeit not quite wolves) *were monstrously huge.*
From the video hunting style is related to vegetation..more vegetation the bigger the prey, less vegetation the smaller the animal then endurance is needed..
Dire wolves weren't*monstrously huge*. They were sure a bit larger than current day gray wolves but that's about it
@@6pathuser344 Yeah, and even with a dire wolf, my money is still on the mountain lion to win the fight.
It's the build and not the size. The big cats are built for strength and ambush (except the cheetah). The wolves are built for endurance and stamina. The wolves can run for miles and miles stalking their prey.
For those who think bears are not related to dogs: they are part of the same Suborder Caniformia which includes wolves, bears, badgers, foxes, seals, walrus, and sea lions. This is further back in relation than big cats but there is still common ground and it's relatively close.
The big cats, hyenas, and mongooses are all part of the Suborder Feliformia. Getting down to Family, this would exclusively include cats.
There are wolves in excess of 200 pounds in the Canadian shield. My family has seen them in the forests of eastern Manitoba and 1 was killed near Winnipeg a few years ago that weighed in at 220 pounds.
That's not even that impressive, I have a cousin well over 300 lbs.
@@dukethighwalker6839 *Thonk*
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@@undyingfaith9897 Loss of the wild wolf? 🤔
Would they be able to make it down to southern Washington?
Dad and I saw a massive brown dog cross Highway 97 south of Yakama.
It was not a bear. Moved just like a dog but the size was absolutely massive. Large enough I have a hard time believing what I saw.
Thank you for using real numbers. The channel is good and deserves a sub and a like!
A video idea: can gorillas survive in india 🇮🇳 or asia??? And from only your video I get too much knowledge. And what was the name of the large dog? Can anyone tell?
Gigantopithecus
Sorry I meant to add more, but it was the largest species of great ape and found in southern china. Not a gorilla per se but very close.
No Gorillas can't, there's way too less evergreen forest here in India, and even where there are the temperature are different than what they are used to and the road connectivity and disturbance is way higher. And not to mention the presence of Bears and Tigers.
What large dog?
@@KaidosAKAWhiteDragon he told a name of large dog which has a size of a lion I searched that name epision but that wasn't showing anything so I am asking that do anyone know the clear name of that large dog??
Thank you for your hard work and dedication. This video rocks!
Thank god for the dog from 15,000 years ago. Kept us safe on long cold nights against saber tooth and cave bears.
When i was 5 yrs old i always think wolves and dogs are the same😂😂
They are actually the same species
Chihuahuas are more ferocious than tigers...
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That's not anything when you're pathetic
Cougars are not actually considered part of the "Big Cats". Only Lions, tigers, leopards and Jaguars are part of the Felidae Pantherinae family. Cougars are more closely related to house cats, just really big house cats. They can purr like house cats too!
"Big cat" doesn't refer to only members of pantherinae. It's a non-phylogenetic term to refer to felids with a large size.
Big cat = pantherinae, cougar, cheetah
Snow leopards...
Lions are ambush hunters, but they use their numbers to 1) hunt larger prey than a single lion could take down and 2) drive their prey to where others of the pride are hiding for the ambush. So they're cooperative ambush hunter.
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Yall know we have a breed the size of the bone crushing dogs right? It's called an African boerboel, it's a lion hunting dog. It's top weight is around 200-220
He dealt with that subject in the first minute of the video. Breed is the clue word.
Still, a 200 pound dog or wolf is nothing compared to a 600 pound tiger. Not even close.
@AL Tigers are larger than lions. A male lion ranges between 450 to 550 pounds. There are tigers in captivity that have reached weights of more than 800 pounds, but they are unhealthy and overweight because they have been over fed in enclosures that do not allow them to get proper amounts of exercise. In the wild, they control hundreds of square miles of territory. So yeah, a female tiger may be 3 to 400 pounds, but a healthy male can easily reach 600 pounds and be 10 to 12 feet tall standing on his hind legs.
2:20 yeah you are way off there those dogs did NOT kill that giraffe, as much as it would be cool those dogs would sh*t their pants and run off from being scared of how tall the giraffe is, the giraffe definitely didnt die from lions or anything so I'm pretty sure it died from disease or overheating
They will attack sick or weakened prey too
@@animeloveer97 yeah but not fuckin giraffes
Aren’t bears that basically
Just what i was thinking
Dogs can't walk upright or climb trees. Different kind of animal. Id call a sloth a small bear before a dog
Lol. This is what I was going to say
@@jeremymayhem5599 blah blah. Bears and dogs are super close genetically silly
@@migueld1733 lol ok
Dire Wolves and other extinct species got pretty damn big. Some male tundra wolves break 200#. Dogs and other canines are pack hunters and work as a single organism so massive size isn't an advantage against big game. Though Lions often hunt in groups.
My thoughts exactly wolves are the big dogs.
Coyote hunted alone until recently.
Still, there is a big difference between a 200 pound wolf and the 600 pound tiger.
there is some pretty big dogs out there, Central Asian shepard dogs, Kangals, Great Pyrenees, Mastiffs. just to name a few.
I mean, there WERE big dogs. There were Dire Wolves as recently as 9500 years ago, and they were thought to have been around 175-200 pounds. Though not as big as a “big cat” they probably had a pretty good evolutionary advantage over solitary ambush predators.
Still are big dogs. Several breeds get upwards of 200 pounds. Imagine 20 dogs, each about 200 pounds going after a 500 pound lion.
@@jeffstrom164 Lions live in packs so it's not fair to compare 1 lion against 20 dogs. Plus those big dogs only exist thanks to humans.
Not to mention regular wolves.
@@Tfk-mf6bs Lions, the females, hunt in small groups of 4 or 5. Males hunt and fight alone. 20 on 4 still sounds good to me. All other wild cats hunt alone. Dogs aren't just big because humans changed them. Even if they were, so what, it's no different than the environment selecting for genetics.. Some breeds of dog are naturally 200 pound behemoths and wolves naturally weigh around 170 lbs, the size of your average male human. Dogs are also considerably smarter than cats.
Wondered about the effects of the changing climate as the last ice age receded? The open plains would tend to favor lighter, long leg wolves? But, Grey wolves seem to be so adaptable, from the wooded east, thru the great plains, right thru Canada and into Alaska! Saw many in 94 while I was in Alaska on vacation. They did however seem to be taller and heavier. The ultimate predator?
There WERE larger canines. But they went extinct, the Dire Wolf being wiped out by the American Indians.
Of course the factors in making them less common include them being more social, which can limit their size.
Would African or asian elephants survive Europe, Siberia, and North America?
The woolly mammoths and mastadons were members of the elephant family that survived the ice ages in Europe and Siberia (Not sure about North America)Given enough time and the right conditions the modern elephants of the warmer climes would gradually evolve and adapt to much colder conditions again.
@@kaloarepo288 also there are plans about cloning woolly mammoths or hybridizing mammoths with modern elephants that on going and still haven’t yet see or heard any results.
@@XenoRaptor-98765 I come from Australia and I've heard rumours of a plan to recreate the Tasmanian tiger the last example of which died about 80 years ago-they would probably use genes from surviving marsupial carnivores like the quoll or the Tasmanian devil.
@@kaloarepo288 also using the numbat which is the Tasmanian tiger closest living relative.
@@XenoRaptor-98765 Didn't know the numbat was so close.Also if there are some actual bits of the last thylacine (Tasmanian tiger) existing could the DNA from them be copied?I know there are perfectly preserved frozen specimens of mammoths and mastadons.
There was one but he became The Tribal Chief
We seen one in the 200lb range, but that's in the Chilcotin wilderness of British Columbia and it was most certainly the alpha. No other prints or others we saw were close to it though they were very large themselves.
😂 I love how at 45 years old this is brain relief for me to relax to, I LOVE IT!!
I did always wonder this! Although now I’m thinking of a Big Dog that has Big Cat like features o-o
Imagine a Wolf but with the shoulders, arms, and claws of a Tiger, and teeth like a Clouded Leopard, but still had the great hearing of a Wolf, as well as being able to chase down its prey, what a ferocious combination •-•
you might want to look into lions branch. there are lions that were bigger, some were more of cat like . even though lion is a cat. but some has more feature closer to like tiger. some lion has both dog and cat like. liger and tigan, still have the cat like more than a dog.
@@BlueRice Ohhhh 030;
So bears (sort of)
@@SuprememeCeratosaurus Kinda-
@AL Daaaang O-o
I know they're not dogs, but canidae and ursidae are far closer together on the evolutionary chart than are felidae. I think of bears as big dogs. They're similar to ambush hunters, but they are built more for endurance than bursts of speed. And because they fight prey at full strength similar to a lion, they also developed mighty claws, powerful arms, and bulkier shoulders to mount their weapons. And a grizzly is so big and tanky that it could arguably defeat a Siberian tiger in a one-on-one. A bear isn't a giant wolf, but it's close enough for me, and there's no reason for a wolf to evolve into a giant when a bear already occupies that position in the wolf's biome.
@@Wilphart Next time you look up while walking through the woods and see a black bear up in a tall tree you may reconsider. They simply do not exhaust themselves chasing down prey for miles.
@@StevenHughes-hr5hp I know. I said they (bears) were built more for endurance than for speed. I was comparing them to big cats, and big cats are built for short bursts of speed.
Bigger dogs live shorter lives.
So there is an issue with their gene pool.
Prehistoric wombats were the size of Volkswagen beetles here in Australia
The Female Alpha Tundra wolf routinely reaches 300 lbs plus. I had a 75% hybrid. Her mother was a wild rescued cub from Alaska. Tara was over 6 feet long shoulder to butt. Her paws were as big as your head. And she had green yellow eyes that haunted your soul. Her Daughter, my baby Tasha. I miss so much. Wolves are nothing to mess with. I takes a serious amount of dedication to raise one. Dont ever under estimate a animal that can drive a Rocky Mountain Puma out of its own territory... 280 lb cat. Aint messin with a pack... yes Rocky Mountain cougars are frikin huge.
Yea I was confused at him trying to say no canids over 150# except "outliers" at 175.
Wolves easily average over 200# on the regular. They are fucking massive.
@@ObservationofLimits yeah, wolves are huge, my female was typical for a 75% at 80lbs. But her mate was 165 with a 75%pedigree. Tashas mom, Tara(wild rescue as a small cub)was 300 easily. Her feet were as big as your head. Tundras are huge. Beautiful animal, She sniffed my hand let me give her chin a scritch, and never said anything to me again. I guess she liked me. Tasha was the best Wolf I ever had. I miss her. I sold all her puppies, both litters, except one, thats a long story. Wolves are the smartest animals on land except for humans. What they tell us on tv is so not what wolves are . They do it on purpose.
300lbs plus lmaoo
@@thelot9880 Seen her all the time. SHE WAS BEAUTIFUL.
300 easy??
After this explanation the choice of giant wolfs an mouths for orks in Tolkien books makes a lot of sense. Better to have a mount evolved for endure long distances than a bear or a big cat. On the other hand, is curious that werewolves became as popular as they are. The extremely dangerous men-beast would make more sense as a werepanther. Tigers, bears and lions are nice too, but I suppose being as nocturnal as possible is important in that regard. Our imagination places monsters and scary things easier in the dark of night than in daylight.
There isn't necessarily a preference of were-animal stories. It was what animals seemed cool to have that duality. There are stories of river dolphins turning into people along certain parts of the Amazon river. There is something about a were-hyena in at least one spot of the continent that is Africa. Werewolves are popular due to European influence but there are all kinds of lore of human-animal shifters.
Yes,@@scorpiocarnage1055 the Boto. While the husbands are fishing it changes into a beautiful man and seduces the woman of the villages in Amazonia. You can recognize him because he always wears a hat, to hide the orifice on the top of his head.
Explains a lot of otherwise mysterious pregnancies. It is not "rape" in the traditional sense of the word, but a supernatural power of seduction impossible to resist.
There are werejaguars too, and at least one werepig who is a woman and has a golden tooth (you can recognize her because the pig form keeps the tooth, that goes without saying) . All that in the North region of Brazil. The Boto, I believe, is more popular however. And unlike the werewolf it is not a man who turns into a wild beast, but the oposite. I believe Europeans also have some some other flavours of shapeshifters who are sometimes humans and sometimes an animal. Bears, among others.
Still, the wolves do won the popularity context and earned a huge portion of pop culture field for themselves. No other werebeast can contest their supremacy for the moment. Even in places like Brazil, where you don't have any true wolf.
@@thiagom8478 Like I said, European influence. Wolves live/lived in many European regions and when imperialism became a stronghold, the stories passed to the rest of the world. But nice you know about the boto. I swear there was another version with a woman but I'm likely confusing that with someone else's lore since there are so many stories of people being lured to the water around the world.
Water is a tricky element, @@scorpiocarnage1055. Perhaps Rome has something to do with the werewolf. At very least their founders had a wolf mother. Or step-mother. Here in the North region o Brazil we also have some water lassies who lure men into the water so they will die, but I am not aware of them being female botos or any other animal. As for Imperialism, Europe was just more successful at it than other empires, in the most recent past. Up to the point in time when US replaced Europe and made European states their Satellite Nations.
Certainly not all cultures in the world are imperialistic (Rome was, Greece was not. Not until Macedonia dominate them). However, there are a lot imperialistic cultures around. In every Continent. The diference between European countries and some African tribes wasn't imperialism but competence. Europeans won more wars, that's all.
I have lived and worked with wolves for >30 years and the largest were in the 180 lb range for males and 145 lbs for females. You are right about much. One error, the wolves have flexible wrists which they can twist to grab and are a major weapon. The few clowns are longer and sharper than the running claws.
"Why are there no big dogs?"
Me, having seen how huge a Carpathian Wolf can get: "WDYM There are "no big dogs"? what size do you want them? horse-sized? bear sized?"
People often underestimate how big wild wolves can be, and they don't need to be any bigger since they are pack hunters.
The reason we needed humongous doggos in the first instance was to have a single or couple of shepherding dogs that could defend the flocks of sheeps from a whole pack of big wolves
thank you!
Yep. Wolves are no joke.
Wolves….”am I a joke to you”
Wolves are not that large though. They are barely larger than Eurasian lynx.
Yes lol
1:15 ''it was described as a bone crushing dog''
If it survived till today, we would have tons of UA-cam videos of it gently playing with tigers and lions in a zoo somewhere and people saying ''how cute'', also it would have adorable puppies
Thought I remember seeing a prehistoric dog at cosi that was the size of a mini beetle. They had recreated it and put hair on it and everything and had it next to a beetle. Thing was huge.
you know, my first thought was "there were dogs the size of insects?"
I want to know how many missed calls he got from Roman Reigns
I really dislike AI produced content and it's a real distraction from what could otherwise be a great piece of content.
There’s literally dogs bred to fight bears I believe 😂
“Excemptify”? That’s not a word
Also, to be pointed out, cats have greater mobility of their body, so in the instance of a big cat vs an equally sized dog...the big cat would always win. This caused dogs to become more and more of pack hunters, for survival sake against big cats.
You just did not see the video did you,?. It's the other way around
@@batman_diaries cats are more skilled than dogs in every way pound for pound any cat will kill any dog
youre a lil backwards buddy
The chow chow and St. Bernard are quite big for dogs, even the Siberian husky and Alaskan malamute.
This seems easy. Dogs are social and cats are isolationist. Dogs work together and cats just have to be big. I like the comment from the person who said bears are big isolated dogs. 💯
The most viscous and capable hunter is the French bulldog. They are a 500 lb dog packed into 25 lbs. They kill about 25,000 people a year but that figure doesn’t account for third world deaths where it’s harder to track. They can be found deep in the forests of Madagascar
Cynocephalus, werewolves, lycans, dogmen, werebears, bears. All related to dogs just mostly been killed off over time
Wolf: Am I a joke to you?
Indeed one of the weaker main big cats still weight more lol
That clouded leopard image is from the Nashville zoo
A 'Coyote-Dog' (a new cross-breed of canine) wandered from the woods on to my orchard yard 2 weeks ago. At a distance I thought it was a fox but one with a very unusual large bushy white tail. It got closer and I realized it was larger than my extra-friendly female Lab Dog (70-80 lbs). Not afraid the 'Coyote dog' will eat her if a male. She's still has her sex organs, so must be warry when she comes into 'heat' next. Might end up with a litter of Black Labs with bushy White tails. . . Coyote-Labs.
Seems Coyote-Dogs have established themselves in much of rural central Ontario in the last few decades. No reported attacks. They are shy.
Humans are also endurance-chase pack predators. Except we can throw stuff too. We're like the ape's answer to the dog pack. Even without our sophisticated social and creative intelligence, we have some powerful traits.
Imagine a pack of skinny, 100 lbs apes chasing you, throwing sticks and stones, and using clubs and spears and grappling when in close quarters. As you run, you overheat, but these apes simply don't overheat... they seem like they can jog forever. If you have strength, they torture you with bruises and scrapes using thrown stones or branches. But as soon as you're exhausted, panting and weak, they close in for the kill.
my Pomeranian turns into Cujo when i trim the fur off his feet.
Other than Lions, there are no social cats. There were bigger canids before the last ice sge ended when we had collosal mammals. There probably aren't enough prey to sustain bigger canid packs. That's probably why the Grey wolf survived, but the dire wolf didn't.
Their size is enough to make them top predators, especially because they're dominant by nature and work in packs which make them one of the most successful hunters.
Actually the Grey Wolves are the biggest wolves and they get huge. Ive heard of the biggest Gray wolves getting to 250 lbs which is crazy.
Edit: However having said that, those stories were passed down over the last 300 years in my family. The Grey wolves over the last 300 years while still the largest wolves, seem to continue getting smaller.
It's amazing how quiet these big cats can be when stalking prey.
I kinda feel like bears are the sorta 'big dogs'. That said, having seen wild wolves in Yellowstone, they're pretty damn big. Like, damn near Great Dane big, but WAY more impressive in muscularity and just 'beefiness'.
I clicked on this video just to comment. I see now the comment section has already got it taken care of.
For me it is obvious. Wolves (source of dogs) are full pack animals. So the adage "From many, one." is appropriate. The pack acts as one large predator. They only needed to be big enough to slow down their prey enough so the pack could attack and kill it. Cats for the most part are solitary predators (Lions being the exception. That is why they aren't as big as tigers.) So that is why they got pretty big. Of course they also right size to the prey that they hunt, and it's availability over time. Animals as a rule only size to their actual needs.
Timber wolves are pretty big, however there was a much bigger wolf that went extinct that used to live in North America
Great question...and what about big gerbils, hamsters, parakeets, and other pets?
What are the other survival strategies then being in a pack or being single? 😂
I got a male Rottweiler right now who’s 3 years old and weighs 135lbs. He’s so majestic to just look at, naturally built like a tank😂
Not anything to a lioness
dogs don't get big because they run in a pack, they have power in number. Cats are independent so they have to be big and powerful to hunt alone
There are big dogs/ dire wolves still around they are just super rare I've only seen one in my life nearly 40 years years. We still have various super fauna in the south most are just smart enough to hide from ppl.
the answer to these questions is always 'there was no evolutionary advantage for them to do so'
Bears are cousins of dogs sharing a not to distant ancestors
What is funny is that in a way doggos really matched humans both in community life style and hunt style. Guess that's why they became human best friend
What about the Dire Wolf?
That giant dog breed that extinct now looks like the puppy the aincent American native used to draw.
Fun Fact: Wolves and coyotes howl to locate their packs in case if they get separated. Their howls can be heard anywhere from six to ten miles away.
Have you ever seen a bear without its fur? They look like giant dogs.
It's pretty entertaining reading people argue about whether bears are dogs lol
Y’all must never have seen a grey wolf before. Those are some huge dogs
Coyotes are usually solitary and lions are pack hunters right? Asking for a friend;)
Not all canids are social. The maned wolf is solitary, same for most foxes. Also, coyotes mostly hunt in pairs, which is a different strategy (other thing the video got wrong)
And here I thought Alaskan Wolves were big dogs this whole time.
I seen a dead wolf in northern Canada that was so big I thought it was a bear