There was an unhealthy amount of tension and forced banter in the last series of Wafflin. I didn’t realise it was this bad, this was definitely the final nail in the coffin. Had the boys continued Wafflin, I think their relationships would’ve genuinely ended. The boys haven’t had a lot to do with each other since Wafflin ended, and it’s only been the last few months they’ve began making content with each other again.
The major issue here is that Joe is very insecure and Theo likes to take the piss. Joe wants reassurance whereas Theo would rather be honest and Joe sees this as him being unsupportive
Joe getting so angry was out of insecurity of the fact maybe some people won't like his music and Theo and Luke were just giving the other side of the argument and Joe picked on theo to be livid at and completely let luke off the hook. Such a hard watch
Joe was being so confrontational for no reason, really weird. I like him but he was being super insecure when he’s the one who brutally bantered Theo all the time. Makes sense why Theo wanted to discontinue the pod tbh
Imagine trying to make a point to 2 people you’re very close to and something as passionate, for them to sit there and laugh in your face about how ‘triggered’ you are
I truly think Wafflin ending was a decision they all made to save their friendship. The last few episodes were very awkward and uncomfortable at points, and this argument here shows that they would fall out when talking about certain topics. Being forced to sit down and talk for an hour even after an argument isn’t very healthy. They ended the show so that this stuff wouldn’t happen because they want to remain friends still.
The ending is so awkward, Joe loves to control the narrative when Theo gives a valid explanation of his side, asks Joe to explain he then realises he’s being ridiculous and gives the generic nah doesn’t matter mate. The reason the dynamic didn’t work is because Joe seemingly loves being the main character!
Joe was really missing the point here. They weren't picking on him when they said new audiences might find his old stuff to be weird. What they mean is, when signed to a major label the creative outlet is diminished as radio tracks are extremely unrelenting in structure and sound. Not to mention Polydor are known to be the most guilty of printing out industry babies and repressing their talent.
He was saying "nah doesn’t matter mate" because he clearly could tell Theo didn't get it, so when Theo keeps saying "explain", Joe knows he can't. Nothing he can say will make Theo understand and share the same mentality he does. It's where the entire thing stems from; Theo not understanding Joe's UA-cam history, and why he is the person he is today. And I can see what Theo is saying, he was truly just bantering, but banter stems from Truth in most cases - while also knowing what someone is insecure about as to not attack the wrong thing. Theo bantering about Joe's UA-cam history, showed that Theo didn't know it was a sore spot for Joe, and instead of apologising and backing-down after realizing, he actually double-downed.
@@tutin4090 I disagree. I think Joe knew what they meant, but just fundamentally disagreed that he would want to ever do that. Joe being upset wasn't directly related to that topic, it was more to do with Theos relentless attitude towards Joe wanting to persue certain things in his career, and poking fun at those sore spots.
Strange that Luke and Theo find it so hard to accept that Joe would rather remain the person that got him where he is today than go full on mainstream robot
I think what joe found mostly annoying about this all is that Theo was just laughing. Whether it was at joe or not is besides the point. I think it’s a shame that Theo couldn’t (or maybe can’t) see joes perspective and also see the point where Joe became quite emotional in the subject to then just cool it. Shame either way 😢
Interesting viewing. I genuinely believe it's just a natural limitation of a friendship - nothing more. Joe has a LOT more depth to him than Theo does. But that's okay
People saying joe was so confrontational is wrong completely. If you’re trying to get a point across and there’s people literally laughing in your face calling you triggered for something you’re clearly passionate about then of course joe will get confrontational. For them to not understand how joe felt is just ignorant and the fact they just start laughing at him for it is just not it.
I kinda get both sides theo assumed that trolling joe was part of the show and was a bit of a laugh. Tbf joe trolls theo as well when he brings up serious stuff. Joe does get triggered if someone criticises his weird side like when he called true geordie for laughing at the kitty song. Joe does have a point that theo can't think on his depth but he should have realised that. I do hope they bring it back
I left a previous comment based on this video but hearing your perspective makes it clearer that perhaps this is a big misunderstanding with Joe and Theo.
@@amberheardspoo894 I think that's why they eventually ended the podcast. But it was getting a bit limiting cause they needed to bring in different stuff like more guests and different segments. Most other podcasts do this, there's only so much you can talk about your lives, even bringing a producer to organise the podcast studio and segments would have been better
It is a bit of a shame to hear this, because the actual wafflin episode before this is so funny, it’s one of my favourites. I don’t really care about the argument itself, it’s just a bit of a downer:(
i really do see both sides of the story but im still going to side with theo on this one. at no point did joe say 'no guys can we be serious for second' and they would have stopped the banter to talk serious but Theo was still in content mode taking the piss like he always does. remember when joe talks about the stones. its the same sort of vibe. also, joe saying 'youre not my mate' and 'you dont get me' really did not help the situation. he jumped straight to the conclusion of 'youre not taking me seriosuly' while theo wasnt ready for the conversation yet.
Yeah the your not my mate comment was very over the top considering this is the first time he's said this to Theo ever. It's quite the bombshell to drop out of the fucking blue despite them getting along up until then. You can really feel the awkwardness start after Joe compares him to the rest of the UK that he hates... Clearly jealous at the time by how close Theo was to them
I think Joe was insecure about not being friends with the UK scene at the time and felt jealous towards theo. Maybe now that he is on better terms, him and Theo will be healthier going forward
Joe was really missing the point here. They weren't picking on him when they said new audiences might find his old stuff to be weird. What they mean is, when signed to a major label the creative outlet is diminished as radio tracks are extremely unrelenting in structure and sound. Not to mention Polydor are known to be the most guilty of printing out industry babies and repressing their talent.
Maybe I am wrong but Joe is right, there is a reason he is the biggest of the three. Satisfaction = Longevity, if Joe is happy making different genres so be it. This is coming from an outsider that does not really watch these podcasts ever.
The whole argument in this video is quite uncomfortable to watch and I think was a sign that Wafflin was coming to an end. The whole vibe of Wafflin was bantering each other and taking the piss out of themselves. When Theo had injuries that would prevent him from making the videos he wanted to, Joe would take the piss. When Theo got out of a 7 YEAR relationship, Joe took the piss. All Theo and Luke were saying was that if Joe wants to sign for a major record label making proper industry tunes, he would need to sanitise his image a bit. Joe then ended up getting kicked off his label without releasing any tunes due to the "World Cup Song". His old stuff ended up spoiling that musical path he was going down. Joe saying that Theo is not his mate is fucked. He was so close to ruining a childhood friendship because he simply couldn't control his ego and admit that Kitty isn't a certified club banger.
@@Tayloribr Yeh but I think they ended the pod because they werent really great friends anymore, this was the final piece of content they released before the final wafflin episode, I think they are still mates but just not as close as they once were.
Tbh everyone in the comments is wrong. Joe is clearly insecure and that isn’t something to point and laugh at, which is basically what Theo did (whether it was intentional or not). There’s banter and all that which is fine but it really isn’t hard to spot that Joe didn’t like the topic, it wasn’t worth going any deeper down it just to end up here 😂
I agree that Weller has an ego but it’s less about that and more about Joe not censoring his true nature and character. Theo Baker, a man who dies inside when he is referred to as Malfoy, the name that made him, would never understand why Joe would rather stay true to his roots and who he is instead of turning into a mainstream robot with none of his character intact. Theo moved to London and sucked off the sidemen to go mainstream and is terrified of being viewed as cringe from his past vids. It’s a bit like having a friend who’s slightly eccentric but you’ve got him an invite to a party and tell him to just tone it down a bit, so you can impress the people there. But in doing so you completely devalue your friends worth and character because they may seem strange to others. There is no life worth living if you cannot be true to your nature.
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This argument was so much more uncomfortable than the ones they had on the regular pod, Malfoy looked so upset afterwards.
There was an unhealthy amount of tension and forced banter in the last series of Wafflin. I didn’t realise it was this bad, this was definitely the final nail in the coffin. Had the boys continued Wafflin, I think their relationships would’ve genuinely ended. The boys haven’t had a lot to do with each other since Wafflin ended, and it’s only been the last few months they’ve began making content with each other again.
The major issue here is that Joe is very insecure and Theo likes to take the piss. Joe wants reassurance whereas Theo would rather be honest and Joe sees this as him being unsupportive
Joe getting so angry was out of insecurity of the fact maybe some people won't like his music and Theo and Luke were just giving the other side of the argument and Joe picked on theo to be livid at and completely let luke off the hook. Such a hard watch
Joe was being so confrontational for no reason, really weird. I like him but he was being super insecure when he’s the one who brutally bantered Theo all the time. Makes sense why Theo wanted to discontinue the pod tbh
Well that was awkward 😂
sounds to me that joe takes everything to heart..
Imagine trying to make a point to 2 people you’re very close to and something as passionate, for them to sit there and laugh in your face about how ‘triggered’ you are
I truly think Wafflin ending was a decision they all made to save their friendship. The last few episodes were very awkward and uncomfortable at points, and this argument here shows that they would fall out when talking about certain topics. Being forced to sit down and talk for an hour even after an argument isn’t very healthy. They ended the show so that this stuff wouldn’t happen because they want to remain friends still.
The ending is so awkward, Joe loves to control the narrative when Theo gives a valid explanation of his side, asks Joe to explain he then realises he’s being ridiculous and gives the generic nah doesn’t matter mate.
The reason the dynamic didn’t work is because Joe seemingly loves being the main character!
Joe wasn’t looking for an explanation but an apology
Joe was really missing the point here. They weren't picking on him when they said new audiences might find his old stuff to be weird. What they mean is, when signed to a major label the creative outlet is diminished as radio tracks are extremely unrelenting in structure and sound. Not to mention Polydor are known to be the most guilty of printing out industry babies and repressing their talent.
He was saying "nah doesn’t matter mate" because he clearly could tell Theo didn't get it, so when Theo keeps saying "explain", Joe knows he can't. Nothing he can say will make Theo understand and share the same mentality he does. It's where the entire thing stems from; Theo not understanding Joe's UA-cam history, and why he is the person he is today.
And I can see what Theo is saying, he was truly just bantering, but banter stems from Truth in most cases - while also knowing what someone is insecure about as to not attack the wrong thing. Theo bantering about Joe's UA-cam history, showed that Theo didn't know it was a sore spot for Joe, and instead of apologising and backing-down after realizing, he actually double-downed.
@@tutin4090 I disagree. I think Joe knew what they meant, but just fundamentally disagreed that he would want to ever do that. Joe being upset wasn't directly related to that topic, it was more to do with Theos relentless attitude towards Joe wanting to persue certain things in his career, and poking fun at those sore spots.
Strange that Luke and Theo find it so hard to accept that Joe would rather remain the person that got him where he is today than go full on mainstream robot
I think what joe found mostly annoying about this all is that Theo was just laughing. Whether it was at joe or not is besides the point. I think it’s a shame that Theo couldn’t (or maybe can’t) see joes perspective and also see the point where Joe became quite emotional in the subject to then just cool it. Shame either way 😢
nah Theo is acc too funny this guy goes "wtf is that im not your mate" Theo held it down sound guy
Kicks off at 8:10 and continues at 32:30
It gets serious when Joe compares him to the other UA-cam lot... Basically saying that him and Theo were never real friends
i was just thinking about this the other day randomly lol
Interesting viewing. I genuinely believe it's just a natural limitation of a friendship - nothing more. Joe has a LOT more depth to him than Theo does. But that's okay
Bang on
this is jokes, joe was triggered and blew it out of proportion on video due to some things he may have concluded outside of the pod
People saying joe was so confrontational is wrong completely. If you’re trying to get a point across and there’s people literally laughing in your face calling you triggered for something you’re clearly passionate about then of course joe will get confrontational. For them to not understand how joe felt is just ignorant and the fact they just start laughing at him for it is just not it.
Joe being a child here massive over reaction Theo was just playing devils advocate to add context and conversation to the pod
I kinda get both sides theo assumed that trolling joe was part of the show and was a bit of a laugh. Tbf joe trolls theo as well when he brings up serious stuff. Joe does get triggered if someone criticises his weird side like when he called true geordie for laughing at the kitty song. Joe does have a point that theo can't think on his depth but he should have realised that. I do hope they bring it back
I left a previous comment based on this video but hearing your perspective makes it clearer that perhaps this is a big misunderstanding with Joe and Theo.
@@amberheardspoo894 I think that's why they eventually ended the podcast. But it was getting a bit limiting cause they needed to bring in different stuff like more guests and different segments. Most other podcasts do this, there's only so much you can talk about your lives, even bringing a producer to organise the podcast studio and segments would have been better
It is a bit of a shame to hear this, because the actual wafflin episode before this is so funny, it’s one of my favourites. I don’t really care about the argument itself, it’s just a bit of a downer:(
i really do see both sides of the story but im still going to side with theo on this one. at no point did joe say 'no guys can we be serious for second' and they would have stopped the banter to talk serious but Theo was still in content mode taking the piss like he always does. remember when joe talks about the stones. its the same sort of vibe. also, joe saying 'youre not my mate' and 'you dont get me' really did not help the situation. he jumped straight to the conclusion of 'youre not taking me seriosuly' while theo wasnt ready for the conversation yet.
Yeah the your not my mate comment was very over the top considering this is the first time he's said this to Theo ever.
It's quite the bombshell to drop out of the fucking blue despite them getting along up until then.
You can really feel the awkwardness start after Joe compares him to the rest of the UK that he hates... Clearly jealous at the time by how close Theo was to them
I think Joe was insecure about not being friends with the UK scene at the time and felt jealous towards theo.
Maybe now that he is on better terms, him and Theo will be healthier going forward
Theo looks like he’s pinging in some parts
3 weird lads. What is Malfoy wearing. Sorry I forget his actual name and cba finding out now
I 100% feel the same way as Joe I feel bad for him man smh friends be like that
Joe was really missing the point here. They weren't picking on him when they said new audiences might find his old stuff to be weird. What they mean is, when signed to a major label the creative outlet is diminished as radio tracks are extremely unrelenting in structure and sound. Not to mention Polydor are known to be the most guilty of printing out industry babies and repressing their talent.
Definitely gotta keep your music and image authentic there isn’t enough of it these days
Joe mocks Theo 24/7. He can’t take it back tho.
What where they referencing anyway? When was the moment joe was offended before?
Was this the last patreon episode they did?
Big up weller making grime beats 🤣🔥
was this why they fought?
Maybe I am wrong but Joe is right, there is a reason he is the biggest of the three. Satisfaction = Longevity, if Joe is happy making different genres so be it. This is coming from an outsider that does not really watch these podcasts ever.
The whole argument in this video is quite uncomfortable to watch and I think was a sign that Wafflin was coming to an end. The whole vibe of Wafflin was bantering each other and taking the piss out of themselves. When Theo had injuries that would prevent him from making the videos he wanted to, Joe would take the piss. When Theo got out of a 7 YEAR relationship, Joe took the piss. All Theo and Luke were saying was that if Joe wants to sign for a major record label making proper industry tunes, he would need to sanitise his image a bit.
Joe then ended up getting kicked off his label without releasing any tunes due to the "World Cup Song". His old stuff ended up spoiling that musical path he was going down.
Joe saying that Theo is not his mate is fucked. He was so close to ruining a childhood friendship because he simply couldn't control his ego and admit that Kitty isn't a certified club banger.
This explains why they don’t talk today, I see where Joe is coming from. He can’t have a normal conversation without Theo taking the piss every time
they do talk?
@@Tayloribr Yeh but I think they ended the pod because they werent really great friends anymore, this was the final piece of content they released before the final wafflin episode, I think they are still mates but just not as close as they once were.
@@TheBusinessBlueprint_no it wasn’t, they did another 5 episodes after this lmao
32:38 for the argument.
mate it got heated from 5 mins in
@@bigcrustt anyone know the context from this argument? Never actually managed to find the clip
Tbh everyone in the comments is wrong. Joe is clearly insecure and that isn’t something to point and laugh at, which is basically what Theo did (whether it was intentional or not). There’s banter and all that which is fine but it really isn’t hard to spot that Joe didn’t like the topic, it wasn’t worth going any deeper down it just to end up here 😂
i see why it ended now wtf
I agree that Weller has an ego but it’s less about that and more about Joe not censoring his true nature and character. Theo Baker, a man who dies inside when he is referred to as Malfoy, the name that made him, would never understand why Joe would rather stay true to his roots and who he is instead of turning into a mainstream robot with none of his character intact. Theo moved to London and sucked off the sidemen to go mainstream and is terrified of being viewed as cringe from his past vids. It’s a bit like having a friend who’s slightly eccentric but you’ve got him an invite to a party and tell him to just tone it down a bit, so you can impress the people there. But in doing so you completely devalue your friends worth and character because they may seem strange to others. There is no life worth living if you cannot be true to your nature.
God this was actually insufferable
This was an awkward watch Joe is very insecure just doesn't like to be told the truth sad really I loved this podcast
TBF Theo laughing at Joe is nobhead behaviour.
time stamp for when Joe got angry?
32:30
And around 9 minutes in
Fully agree with joe theo was possing me off aswell laughing like a little girl .when joe tries to have a serious conversation ,melt.
What everyone’s going on about was about 10:00 to 13:10
When was this from?
Right before the pod ended altogether
😂
oi joe you sweet you seemed triggered
Joes a freak mate
Joe is so insecure bro it’s sad I used to love his videos but since falling off he’s become so much more unlikeable
Theo is now what Joe wishes he became but he’s too insecure to give it a proper go back on UA-cam. He just needs to make consistent content again
This was filmed over a year ago
Looks like Theo's obnoxious behaviour finally caught up with him here. (Though he didn't do TOO much wrong in this instance)
I see why they didnt upload this, joe weller comes across as so arrogant. He needs to be kinder to his friend's
na joes right tbh