Trigeminal Neuralgia- When is Prolotherapy a good treatment option? How are the neck & jaw involved?
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- Опубліковано 9 чер 2022
- Ross Hauser, MD discusses chronic trigeminal neuralgia and the types of cases that would typically respond to a treatment like Prolotherapy when the traditional first-line injection treatments are not addressing the underlying structural issue and symptoms continue to return.
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I just got diagnosed with trigeminal neuralgia. I've been on antibiotics for almost 2 years. Had my wisdom teeth out, then root tip went into my sinus. Got the tip out last year. Finally the ent doctor said quit the antibiotics. Did a cat scan. Doing a brain mri next week. Most painful thing I've been through. On my left side.
So sorry to hear this, antibiotics for 2 years sounds really intense. Im doing all my research right now to not have to take scary medicines for my TN. Hope relief comes to you soon! best of luck!
@@SarahKaneOMW consider it’s viral that’s what’s irritating the nerves often times. Few NDs know Also mold, mycotoxins irritating nerves internally systemic.
@@SarahKaneOMW originally was on Vioxx, Celebrex Holistic chiropractor who teaches nutrition put me on bromelain similar chemical anti-inflammatory It worked
@@Rapunzel808 thank you
Saying a prayer for you now 🙏♥️
Wow this video really explained everything I needed I have MS and I’ve been having a lot of neck pain for years recently I started having pain in my face and under jaw and when you said to two at connected meaning that nerves I really felt a relief knowing that I finally have a diagnosis of some sort I’m going in for MRI real soon to really know but thank for explaining it in detail ❤😊
Dear Dr Hauser, thank you for this amazing video of the link between Trigeminal problems and cervical instability (which I have) - your knowledge in this field is truelly INCREDIBLE (from Terry in South Africa) 👌👍💕
Dr. House ... I mean Hauser 😄
Thank you in your immense study and understanding to share with us.
Yes. You told me more today than I have learned from numerous docs.
Thank you so much Doctor
Eye opening information! Thank you
We are so glad we could help!
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I get occasional painful nerve related sensitivity of the skin on my arm or head, face, and neck (assuming that's neuralgia) and definitely have some instability issues, but have never connected it to my joints! My sons, on the other hand, have TMJ and Chronic Trigeminal Neuralgia, and what you have said makes total sense.
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Thank you for sharing. I have been suffering for years. No one has helped me.
Hi Stacy- Very sorry to hear that. We know every day with Trigeminal Neuralgia can be extremely difficult and take a toll on all aspects of life. We are glad that you're looking into new treatment possibilities. If you would potentially like our team to see you here, you are welcome to reach out to us directly. We wish you all the best in healing and getting relief asap! Take care.
Thank you for explaining this. I have gone to the doctor plenty of times for this pain and NO one told me any of this. I also have my wisdom teeth that are on my nerves as well. I’m just tired of hurting
We are so glad that we could help - that’s why we post these!
Thank you so much I’ve been struggling with TN for 5 years tried many medications that failed. I always believed it was neck associated due to whip lash and my hairstyling for 20 years. I believe my amazing Chiropractor saved me. I do take tramadol and Baclofin and have been pain free for 4 months. Lost 60% of my hair 😢from the drugs. Your explanation regarding the neck make so much sense to me. Bless you.
Hi Lynda, Thank you for sharing and we're really sorry to hear about what you've been going through for the past 5 years. Glad the video was helpful in any way. We have treated many hairstylists who have neck-related conditions due to the intense physical demands of the job. We would be happy to help you here in our center, if you wanted help from our team. We wish you all the best in healing and resolving the awful and debilitating pain of Trigeminal Neuralgia! Take care.
@lyndasmith680.Dear Lynda, is this convenient to share the contact information of you Chiropractor? I have suffering at lot from TN.
This is the best explanation and help I've seen yet! I just started getting it in Jan 2020. It's awful. I have been saying for a long time it was neck associated. My doctor finally approved for me to get an MRI of the neck. I have TN1 and TN2 bilateral. Loss of hearing and constant ear ringing just on my left side, coincidently Jan 2020, imagine that. Thank you for this video!!!! I'm hoping after the MRI we can find the cause and get relief.
Back in 2018 I developed bells palsy on my right side. Not sure if that's related in some way 🤔
Did you get any relief?
Funny, I'm not a Dr. but at 18, I had gotten hit from behind...my whiplash didn't start for a year, it started a pain that was paralyzing nerve wise. They would give me muscle relaxers and I couldn't move for about 10 days. Back when the accident happened I additionally had a second neck injury at work. About 8 years or so later the nerve pain subsided but then TMJ started. I also have ringing in the ears and I always am aware at the base of my neck c123 area that that is where all this is derived now I am having trigeminal neuralgia on the right side of my face with left jaw pain. It's like you just described my personal medical issue. Thank you doctor for giving me a starting point. Excellent video and gives me a starting point with doctors
Thanks for sharing part of your story, we are so sorry to hear this happened to you! We are grateful that this video could help explain some of your symptoms and provide you with hope!
I can’t believe a medical professional admits pain can be over a 10. I have been at a 100/10 frequently.
I understand your pain l have been having this pain for 7years.... and omg this pain is unbearable... l just take gabapentin 600mg and that's all I take...
@@michellekirby2278😊
This pain is 50/10. Especially when it lasts for 15-20 mins at a time not seconds to a minute and it’s in all 3 branches.
I’m starting to develop symptoms on the right side of my face also. But gabapentin is numbing it somewhat. Before that medicine. Oh my GOD! It really hurt.
Is there any surgery for that pain
Amazing. I'm currently using Amitriptyline to manage the pain but I think there are better ways.
We've learned that different things work for different people!
Thank you Doc!
No chiropractor will see my mom due to get previous stroke :(
CAN SHE??????
My mother had a pontine stroke.. craniotomy on the occipital lobe, shunt, and developed trigeminal nerve pain on the Left side of her face (V1,2 and 3) about 5 months post stroke (when she was fitted for new dentures) she favors the right side, so head leans towards the right side, due to some L side neglect... Therefore constantly stretching that left side..
A curve of the neck is noted even without an x-ray.. during craniotomy neck was cut..
This all makes so much sense!!!!
She does not get pain when touched.. it's when she's just sitting or during OT or PT therapy and worst in the morning when she wakes up .
She got Botox to relax muscles of the jaw 2 Weeks and is on gabapentin.. so far this is working too reduce pain by 90%
However, after watching this . I feel like we are literally not getting to the root of the problem..
Thanks
I have trigeminal nephropathy from dental treatment and clicking in my tmj, is there anything for nerve damage -neurophaty or we still not there yet :/
thank you!
Would you think it’s negligence to cause this after a dental procedure?
Sadly, it took me 3 years to get diagnosed and 7 years for them to find my Neuro vascular compression(s). When I was first diagnosed in 2002 at age 35, it wasn’t well known. I got very lucky and had an ER doc that diagnosed me in 5 questions after 3 years of seeing dentist, oral surgeon, etc.. I had a balloon Rhysotomy in 2002 on the left side that lasted 3 years and I am no longer a consideration for MVD as I have had 2 heart attacks at 36 & 40th old😞
They have since found that I have compressions in BOTH sides (found at Duke in 2014). I was also initially diagnosed with MS because of it but after getting a 2nd opinion, they said they I do NOT have MS.
Hello. I have TN1 & TN2. 95% of pain from TN2, though. How did you fare after the balloon rhizotomy? That’s one thing I haven’t had. Pain 24 x 7 for 21 years. Peripheral Nerve surgery cured my Occipital Neuralgia (no pain since 2012) but didn’t help my TN2 much. That was years prior to TN2 showing up.
Yes Bagas nerve in that area! Years of this crap! No doctor had any help for me for years!
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Dr Hauser, I have TN, I don’t have any headache pain, I do have the electric shocks, usually about 50 at a time.mine is in my left eye, forehead and around the side of my head.
From what you are saying, this can be caused from bad disc in the neck?
I’ve had throat cancer, I’m a total neck breather, all the muscle was removed from my neck. I have had bulging disc in my neck, the disc are bad. I’ve ask my doctor if this could be the cause of my TN, she said no. But from what you are saying, it could be?
I describe mine like dental freezing wearing off sometimes mine last 3 mins the worst I had was it lasting a long 7 hrs. I thought it was issue with the dental (saw the dentist there was no issues there) But I did have a face trauma back in April 2022 (landed face first) Note this isn't the first time I fell on this side of my face (first time I was 14 when I tripped over a hose and fell down concrete stairs) The pain omg I wish it on no one. I am on day meds (Baclofen)and night meds (Tegretol) I find sometimes the meds don't help so I end up with an ice pack for comfort (even to the point sleeping with the magic bag to my face). (from back of my right ear, into my cheek, temple, upper and lower right side of my lips only) never touches left side. I get zaps in my upper/lower lip. (Thankfully hasn't affected my sight yet) I do notice swelling when it hits me. I also notice it when chewing (my upper lower lip right side zaps)
Must be a connection with tauretts and trigeminal neuralgia. Seems similar with uncontrollable sounds and movements.
Please advise?
Residual effects of Bells palsey! It is in jaw and ear right below ear when you open mouth!
Do you really think that may also contribute? Do you know if they have made that correlation yet? It kind of makes sense tho. It's so frigging painful!
Not sure if I had a trigeminal or just a TMJ, but the bones in my jaw moved and I went from having straight teeth to a crooked jaw, thankfully the pain went away, but the crooked jaw stayed.
Dear doc i have some question can i ask?
best video for tn ive found for sure .... makes me think aot of what to do and how to bring this up to my doc ... should i tell my nero about the things i found out n this video or my pain clinic ...... i have ms but no lison on my pons(not yet gonna see my nero on 29.... but i just had dental surgery and i swaer it sent my whole face and head and ears and eyes into my TN pain .....i even just went to my audiologist as I've had SNHL since childhood but recently she found my right ear the acoustic reflux is unresponsive thats whats supposed to protect your ear from high damaging sounds.... but my tn is chronic and now its super in crazy were even the top of my eye ball hurts right were yalll show one of the eye nevers form the TRIgeminal nerve ....... i do have degenritive disc issues but in my lower c spine around 5c5-c6 exciting the right side ... but this bout of tn has been bi lateral even though my right side is worse its in the ears eyes jaw the more cold ai gose through my noise the warse it is ..... I'm worry to say ts TMJ connected ... but i him small poping not a lot ...... but my back of my head and neck huert too form all this but the TN is the worse ... i also get tingling on the right side of my tongue ..... they aways connected it to my ms but after reading this i really think its do to neck instability ..... my PT even wanted me to do neck excersises cuz of the C5-C6 pitching ..... who would you suggest i talk to more about this my nero or my pain management doc ....
Then can you explain how mvd surgery fix that issue like there theory is that vascular artery compress trigeminal nerve but what is the reality as in mri we can see sca artery touching it near trigeminal nerve. How to treat that issue?? Or remove compression from tn ...does this work in that case or not?? Vascular compression one...Why it compress tn?? And how to decompress it without surgery?? What to fix in this case because normal people have gap between trigeminal nerve and artery but in some there is compress in tn
I feel like I am getting crazy fro this TN
The chiropractor treated me, and after that, I got a burning month, and he caused my chronic pain.
Thank you But its a bad thihg I'm telling you for 9j and its still going on an on the pain is so so bad thank you
I live in Dayton Ohio, my 83 year old mother is currently getting shots in the cheeks but her pain is worsening. Is there a doctor you recommend in Cincinnati or Columbus for a DMX?
That’s my hometown. I’m currently in Seattle m, WA also research online doctors in those areas
How about the eye, watery, pain right side of nose, jaw, teeth, gums, neck. So painful! Ice, heat?
I had bad TN for months after dental work. I also had after a bout of Omicron this year. My right jaw often hurts on opening.
Think I posted this previously!
@@cynthiastogden7000 That's ok, it's just the brain fog related to these physical problems in the head and neck - I'm in that state constantly, and so glad I recently found this channel. Hope you get help and recover.
Hi cynthia, how did you fix it? Im also in the same boat, had a cavity fixed and little by little got TN pain. Its soooo bad. I thought i needed a root canal now but now they're saying i need to take some scary meds to fix it.. :(
@@lizrichard3137😂 yes that plus old age!!
@@SarahKaneOMW the first bout was years ago after dental work. I took Gabapentin for months while moving house. Then recently after Omicron I tried Pregabalin but it soon went away. I have neck problems with Upper cervical area. The Vagus nerve seems involved. I watch a lot on Caring Medical with Dr.Hauser. Avoid the dentist if possible!! Good luck.
My friend developed this pain after her jab. On top of the heart problems. Mdrna.
Not safe for everyone. Not even close.
I developed TN after the pfizer covid vaccine
i developed TN after my pfi.zer jab to...what can we do to heal?
Dont trust Gov or news
Did it go away?
@@CoachDodderidge how are u holding up ? How is the TN ??
Doc, I have a burning mouth, the dr thing it is TN. Is it possible that I get it from the cardoprac dr that cause this chronic burning. My neck is not the same after the cardoprac treats me
I had months of TN after dental work. Took Gabapentin. Recently after Omicrom it returned and I then took Pregabalin. I have neck pain constantly, probably cervical instability. Also have trouble with jaw pain and constant almost locking. I am in the UK and getting any treatment these days is almost impossible.
Oh i feel for you! I feel Those gabba reuptake inhibitors are truly horrible! They dont reduce pain and they have awful side effects! When they put me on gabapentin for TN i couldnt think straight and i got lost in my house! I had no idea where my bedroom was! Those medicines according to the journal cell stop neural sprouting so it stops you from healing. I like the idea of prolotherapy because it simply directs the bodies own healing factors into the area needed help
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There’s a chiropractor on here called Motivational Doc. I tried his at home stretches and adjustments for horrible neck pain with neuralgia. I had two injuries to my neck and it has some subluxation also arthritis. It was the fifth or sixth treatment I tried that gave me relief from the debilitating pain. It was amazing to go from the most wretched neck pain to almost pain free just by doing a mild exercise. I do the exercise everyday now and the relief is tremendous. It probably wouldn’t work for you, as you have different problems, but I bet he has one that would help you. Good luck~
@@sheilab8040 yes I am subscribed. My injuries are more severe.
Ask your medical doctors for a brain 🧠 MRI and see a neurologist. Don’t get stuck taking toxic anticonvulsants that only MASK the issue but add side effects
Is this related to shingles?
I have had five lumbar surgeries that have caused adhesive arachnoiditis peripheral neuropathy carpal tunnel and ulnar nerve decompression intercostal neuralgia in my left rib and trigeminal neuralgia in my left lip!!
I need to know if soaking my feet in warm water
Dr. Hauser I have been diagnosed with Trigeminal Neuralgia back in Sep 2021, since I am on high dosage of medicine and even tried Ayurvedic panchakarma treatment which gave releif for 70% but starting Feb 2023 situation had worsen to starting stage, had MRI Brain which resulted two vascular loops one in left and other one in right at 7th and 8th nerve. Other than shocking triggers, I feel like I have ton weight on my head, vomitings, diahrea, numbness expands to hands, face and legs. Could you please suggest what more could I do to cure myself.
Hello how do you do with Your Trigeminal ...did you get any results...I fill the same after my MRI...
Holy shit, I had surgery in 2019 & 2022. Now im trying carbamazemine again, it's still not working- what do I do??¿ I have multiple sclerosis 10 years, I'm 48... plz help.......
Lamotrigine
I’ve had cluster headaches for more than seven years now been on many medications that do not work
But I’ve been using a medication called lamotrigine for few years now and has helped immensely please talk to your doctor to try it.
Glad you are finding some healing!
Where would you go to get checked for cervical instability? A chiropractor?
Right in our office! During your first appointment, we will conduct a DMX and Cone Beam CT as well as obtain your neck vitals with our ultrasound tech. After your initial testing, Dr. Hauser has a better understanding of where the instability is and what type of treatment plan is needed!
We are accepting new patients and would love to get you in for a consult!
I would like to make an appointment and stay however long it takes to get relief. I live in Texas. Have had TGN for over 4 years along with 3 doses of stem cell. Also have had spinal fusion of 3&4@@CaringmedicalProlotherapy
I have had TN and Tmj for years. I have had a spinal fusion at c5 and c6. I have dizziness. A neurologist told me he did not see how I could get di,zy from chewing , but I do. My oral surgeon give me therapeutic injections on right upper gum below cheek. This helps. I wear an upper denture which really makes pain worse. I don't have the electrical pain yet. My neurologist offered tegretol. I haven't used because I don't want to deal with side effects. It has been a nightmare.
@@ricardovelascoinurreta6144 Thanks
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I was just prescribed Tegretol (carbamazepine) as well to see if i have TN or need a root canal. so so worried about taking my first dose. Im searching the internet and found this video and wish we had doctors like this in Japan.
@@SarahKaneOMW Go to an oral surgeon. U should be able to see an abscessed tooth with xray. TN is diagnosed by symptons. See a neurologist for that. He oe she may order brain mri.
@@daledavis6984 I had an appointment today actually. Doc said there is a little inflammation on the root where I had the cavity fixed but that it shouldn’t be cause such intense pain as I describe…I think I’ll request a MRI next
I’ve been diagnosed since 2003. I am now in chronic with an updated mri. I’ve never had a mri this bad. Usually it showed acute symptoms shows past now it’s not. I have diabetes type two, one kidney , itp blood disorder. I’m limited to what I can have. Have been taking stuff I shouldn’t. I wear dentures now. I hate it. I’ve had to pull my last two dental implants. Not me my dentist. He said neither one wanted to come out. I’m certain that’s when things flew open. I can’t even handle a sound of a crying baby and or the sound of my electronic tooth brush. I have exact symptoms as your representing. I have neck problems as well. Per my mris on all I have type two Tri geminal neuralgia. I wear Baja in bone e
Hearing aids as well. I’ve been diagnosed with tmj. Right side.
I absolutely should’ve done this a long time ago. Every time I did have my short episodes it would be gone by then. It’s been a vicious cycle. Night time is my worse time of day.
Hi Suzy - we are so sorry to hear you are going through all of this but we are so grateful that you shared part of your story. Know that we are praying for your healing and that you can find relief!
Hi what if there is vascular compression in mri??
Hi Iball Slide, Thanks for your question. Yes, we cover this in a lot of our internal jugular vein compression videos. Here is one of those links: ua-cam.com/video/JTfo06YeTOM/v-deo.html You may also want to check out articles on our website if you want to do a deeper dive on the topic. Wish you all the best in health!
I’ve had multiple mri for my upper cervical area. Can this be related to my Tri geminal neuralgia?
MRIs are not always the best for diagnosing instability. We prefer DMX as it shows instability while the body is in motion!
My daughter 40 years old is going threw massive face , jaw pain ,eye twitching, blurry vision, no sleep because pain won’t stop 19 days now, waiting for the dr to call her to get a MRI 😢 I pray she doesn’t have this horrible condition
Thanks for sharing, Lisa. Praying your daughter will get some answers and relief from her symptoms very soon! If it turns out that she does have Trigeminal Neuralgia, at least you'll know what you're dealing with and have found some possible ways to help her resolve it. Wishing you and your family all the best in health!
@@CaringmedicalProlotherapy hi , what is the cause of vascular contact or compression on trigeminal nerve and even many people have it but only some have symptoms.. What is the cause of this and does prolotherapy helps in this case??
I was dx with first TN then ON and it is unclear which i have however the pain is searing level 10 And it feels like an electric cattle prod electrocuting me into my brain into the back of the left eyeball. The pain is constant lasting 30 - 40 hours hours at a time and i have no idea what brings it on- anything come to mind? I would love to book an appointment. I dont have tmj but i did have traumatic injury to the neck and i broke my neck in 2011 followed by two major reconstructive surgery. Of all the pains this neuralgia into my eyeball is 100% disabling.
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I have TN and ON. I have mcas. I take Zyrtec pregablin montelukast. I use ketotifen eye drops. Almost in full remission. Been sick 90 days
Can this cause the muscles in your face to clinch? I have all the symptoms of this with an indentation in my left cheek. Any help would be great thanks!!!
It absolutely can. I have it and it happens to me frequently
@@consecratedone5721 what did they say to do about it? Have you found a way to control it?
Yo doc, i am having som very very mild tingling sensation in my left side of face and back of my head. It its trigmerial neurolaga og trigemeria neuropathu
We are sorry to hear this, even though it is very mild it is great that you are researching ways to heal as the longer you wait the worse it becomes. Prolotherapy could be a treatment option for you, give us a call!
@@CaringmedicalProlotherapy i live in oslo, norway. Where are you guys located
Took me 29 years to get diagnosed
Wow! I was told I had chronic migraine for 8 years until seeing wonderful neuro at Georgetown University Hospital in 2010. She diagnosed me on the first visit.
Wow. This pain is vicious.
Yes it is. Most doctors don't understand it. Been in that mill for 13 years, pfff
I just did a nerve ablation c1,c2,c3,c4 , as I started having trigeminal neuralgia episodes 5 years ago, my latest episode started last August and then went into an occipital neuralgia episode. ( 10 months of pain now) I can't lay down without pain. Not sure if the ablation is going to help me.. it's only been 3 days and thus far I'm not seeing a big improvement. ( they say it can take weeks) we will see. If I don't start getting some relief you may be seeing me. It's no way to live.
I am so sorry for you. Hope it helps Does this TN get into your eye?
Been dealing with all that for 18+ yrs, it's impossible, but, ya keep going. I tried cannibus about 4 yrs ago, and it's keeping me in a state of surviving... Still waiting for better hope tho. Good luck to yall
@@daledavis6984 Bridge of my nose right side... mostly it's behind my right ear , right jaw. I can't wear glasses without pain.
@@772LivingWithLisa I will say a prayer for u. Thanks for answering me. I hurt behind my ear also. I am 73 and have pain all over, but the face pain is awful.
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I have this temporarily this is horrible.
Hi Teresa, we would love to help you fix this issue, give us a call at 239-307-4773 or email info@caringmedical.com
My TMJ went away after C0/C1/C2 PRP... but I wasn't being smart in my healing process... and now it's all coming back.
Let alone tears to some Capitis muscles... and this is where I get misery from!
Hi, I'm in new Zealand, anyone here you can recommend I see for this?
Hi Ray - we cannot provide any referrals but we can suggest a google search. We suggest looking for someone who specializes in your area of concern and can get you in for an exam and consultation. We wish you all the best on your regenerative medicine search!
Wow…do we realize that all of thisnis manageable, easily, with manual therapy? Aka bodywork? Along with proper strengthening and stretching and breath-work?
It is unreal how many such symptoms get lost in this ringer of so-called science.
You are right - there are so many things that we can do in our lives to help with our health and wellbeing! However, when there is instability, regeneration must occur for healing to happen. Those lifestyle changes can definitely have a positive impact and combat some symptoms but degeneration will continue to occur if nothing is done about it.
@@CaringmedicalProlotherapy Hm...what I have noticed is the tissues regenerate naturally, the same way they manifested in the first place...my friend, I know from experience...see my channel for evidence..I have worked with many people and seen all of these symptoms disappear in a single session with only manual therapy and breathwork. I am developing a 'headloading' protocol as well, which will even put classical physicians and bodyworkers like myself out of business...for 200k years, we walked with loads on our heads...then we got running water, and it has been a disaster for our functions of head/neck. The head is the 'palace of the jing' and loading it has provided such wide-ranging benefits, I can't begin to describe here in comment.
Pig or cow brain 2 ounces is the dose at precook weight, ur repair mechanism is weak you don’t have the building blocks to fix your nerves pig or cow brain would fix that…say 2 ounces per day for 3 to 5 days scrambled up with Eggs or whatever you can do but that will fix that that is for sure good luck everyone
I refuse to use anticonvulsants with the horrible side affects and it only masks the problem
You have that backwards, Doctor. Acute is worse than Chronic.
Nope! Mine has been 24-7 for 21 years. That’s chronic.
@@amybagnall6097 Acute.