This Jet WILL Be Broken! | Su-25 Frogfoot in War Thunder
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- With the A-10's introduction a couple of patches ago, its main Russian counterpart the Su-25 "Grach" was surely not far behind. A faster, yet less advanced aircraft with less capable weapons and systems, the Su-25 will prove an interesting aircraft to use, but likely a very tough one for Gaijin to balance, at least if previous CAS jets of this type are anything to go by. Actually, I can almost guarantee that this jet, WILL be broken upon its introduction! Let's talk about why...
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1:18 oi why you have to do me like that
the only reason the A-10 is not a true nightmare is because the people that use it have the intelligence of an Australian Politician, and that might be a bit generous
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It is generous. Closer to American politicians.
@@lukeskywalket2894 as an american, I 100% agree with you. the politicians here are about as useful as white crayons
Scott Morrison goes brrrt.
This is so true, I once spawned my a10late with maverick, some 2000s, rockets and 500s, and another a10 spawned at the same time, with mavericks too, so I side climbed for a little bit while that mf went straight to the battlefield and got his ass killed by a lav-ad 😐 without firing any maverick’s or firing, if only brain dead a10 pilots knew they can side climb and use the maverick’s, the world would be happier
The game lacks gameplay / game mode rules that would make sense for specialised vehicles like strike aircraft, bombers and siege guns. It's always just team deathmatch and battle for attrition.
This couldn't be said better, I would also include helis bc of the grind for them is terrible.
Specialised game modes would alleviate so much
BuT ThAt WOuLd MaKe WaiTinG lONgEr. That's what most people will say. It would be neat to have a bomber pve because these flying free kills are actually fun, but difficult to enjoy, when a fighter gets to your height faster than light.
@@bzs187 Honestly, I've only seen Gaijin talk about "mUh WaIt TiMeS".
@@bigtime9597 And fly boys when the topic of tank only mode comes up.
gaijin: makes really cool looking map
players: finaly a good top tier map!
gaijin:no
I rarely see red desert on top tier
@@blank141 i was talking about the new map he showed in the beginning lol
@@canadian__goose5954 Ya, but he's pointing out how the MM almost never seems to give people the new maps, the good maps, or the big maps (especially at top tier). Also, the only thing I can see with the new map is the last 1-2 people on the enemy team hiding in some spot it will take the other team ages to find.
@@Mach-2-Fishbed i have the suspicion even that top tier gets the little version of maps more often than mid to lose tier tanks do. I don't have any proof, but just my experience thus far.
Today I played the same map 4 times in a row…
Remember guys, the Sabre F-40 (an 8.7 jet) with 2 AIM-9Bs and no flares warrants it being 9.3 because of the missiles. Which is obviously equal to the Su-25 with 250+ flares and R-60Ms.
Same to premium A10
Su-7bmk 9.3 no flares no AAM🙃😌
My cl13b on 9.7
I can turn in lowspeed fight
My MiG-19 is 9.7 despite having only guns and speed on its side.
@@alvarito7523 the a 10 is slower and is at a higher br , while this and the yak 38 are at the same br as f 86 and they have r 60s
Shame. Such an iconic plane that honestly is more useful than non-upgraded A-10. Of course with 4+ Gen fighters you have all of that and more, but would be nice if you could play less mismatched games. Decompression is necessary.
The thing with 4+ gen fighters is that there is no real SPAA counter to them. Nations now use long range SAM System to keep the battlefield clear of aircraft. Sure there are systems that are still in use like the Gepard or the Tunguska but they are extremely outranged by the weapons that modern jet’s carry. You can already see how hard it is to get rid of a good CAS player now imagine how much fun ground RB is with Eurofighters that can carry 6 laser guided 460 kg bombs at once. 4.5 gen may be in the far further but even the Tornado can carry 4 GBU 12s.
@@exo068 The F-4E can already out-range every SAM in the game with six AGM-65Bs, and the F-16 will be able to do the same, only more easily and with a thermal-equipped targeting pod!
What we need is multi-vehicle SAM systems like Kub or Hawk, that can range out to 20km+ in fact it's literally the only way to give Japan a half decent SAM at all, with the Type 81 Tan-SAM
@@theScottishKoala Agreed. One would hope for some medium range SAM systems, but the problem is that without decompression, you will also have slightly better than WW2 planes fighting against SAM they have 0 chance against. Remember how people were outraged that SAM systems in your base were too strong? And Gaijin moved them to only absolutely top tier BR's?
Balancing a game is difficult. Even moreso if people who develop it don't really care.
@@theScottishKoala but then cas would be useless and will die at spawn. I personally think that the rp cost for aircraft should be massively increased in top tier but at the same time i dont want spaa to be op/ useless depending on the situation.its a problem to say the least
@@lior_theboom modern jet’s have enough sensors to detect any kind of equipment threat that comes towards them. Not to mention that they can also add anti radio missiles into the game.
I already knew that when they decided to put a jet with r60ms at 9.3 the A10 a is bad but that's worse
Hold up.... i havent followed gaijin in over a year now. Dont tell me they added a vehicle with R60s to 9.3. Have they lost their phucking minds....
@@tkestrel2100 Yak 38, it's removed from the store now, but I have it. Still at 9.3 unfortunately and it gets R60s... But it can't turn for SHIT.
@@tkestrel2100 now they're adding the frogfoot, with 2 all aspect r60ms to 9.3
@@SpeedVaultz it's actually balanced >< no flares! No turning buttt! 2 r60s
@@AmbeanWambulance It's somewhat balanced yeah.
I can't wait to fight this thing's R-60Ms en masse with my shiny new G.91 Y, with no missiles or countermeasures. Also can't wait for Italy's A-11 (AMX) to come in at something like 10.7 just because it's not the Big Three.
I love your "incompetence or active malice," because I genuinely can't tell the difference anymore.
looks like gaijins ai makes World of Tanks ai mk1 look like a genius
I do agree for the most part and personally think air RB need a better system to allow ground strikers to shine without making them over powered, tho i do think the British Jag GR.1A and the French Jag are the most fairly placed in the current BR as far as attack aircraft sit
Honestly just going to comment now to get the first word in I'm at work so can't watch now but KEEP UP THE VIDEOS THEY'RE AWESOME!
“My life is a comedy” -Gaijin map and balance team
Kinda wish I knew how to program custom stuff for this game just to experiment with bots in game alongside players in a number of ways. Not just tanks but AI AT/AA positions near spawns, infantry bum rushing cap zones and whatever else just to make maps seem more alive. What's the worst I could make? something fun?
Infantry will never be in the game becUse gaijin wants to expose war thunder to kids for more money
Lower age Rating or what ever PG13 or what
A better game then war thunder
Have you tried Enlisted?
Have you tried Enlisted?
There's still the Cy-25T to come, which gets Vikhr, TV missiles, and access to a thermal pod. It can get more broken.
That variant would be 11.0 at least, since it also got R-73s, and just having Vikhrs would make it REALLY powerful. The thing that’s “broken” about this early variant is that R-60Ms are the only thing GOOD about it!
It doesn´t have thermals ...
@@ares7522 It can mount the Merkuriy pod which has a thermal imager.
@@ares7522 great so 10.0?
Ok if we go with your augment that the SU25 is at 9.3 because of the Air to ground options, why is the SU22 at 11.0 then? Almost the same limitations in air to ground option, but because its fast and get R-60 it need to be a high BR for not to ruin air RB, same problem here. The SU25 should be at 9.7 at a minimum, but i would say 10.0 because of the speed and the R-60M/R-60MK's
I think the reason is the speed
Ok if we go with that the SU25 should be higher BR then the A-10, as the SU25 is faster
9.3 us fine , 10.0 is delusional
@@stevenortiz9008 Tell me why? The a-10 does fine at 10.0, the SU-25 turns worse but is much faster and in some respects gets a better missile... and that missile at 9.3 is broken... faces alot of planes with no flares...
@@kasp664a you could have the longest and fastest and deadliest missile in game,but if you only have two,that's only two secured kills,unlike phantoms with EIGHT missiles
Im just happy it's another premium. I don't have the time nor thousands to spend on GE to skip the grind
3:05 - pretty much said everything that needed to be said right there.
"Overpowered in a downtier and underpowered in an uptier"
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I'll say the same thing about heavy tanks and A-10s, decompression won't solve this. Heavy tanks rely on armor, so the cross section of vehicles that can hurt them, but not casually kill them is just too small. The A-10 (and possibly Su-25 as well) have the same issue with anti-air. You can get the altitude or speed to make yourself a hard target for the radar guided 10.0+ platforms, but mavericks are abusively good against stingers and guns. There's no AA in the game in my opinion that actually has a fair fight against the A-10 to where both sides can reasonably win if played well
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In this respect, I feel decompression gets seen as too much of a magic bullet when it wouldn't affect a lot issues at all.
While its not a magic bullet, it does solve a lot of issues allowing people to focus more and get a clearer picture of issues such as strike aircraft balancing.
@@vikingsoftomorrow4038 I'm not confident that would be the result. The problem is that BR compression is not symmetrical. The game has artificial BR cap, so BR decompression is the worst near the top, specifically I'n the penultimate BRs as the highest BRs are kind of goofy and in flux and lower BRs only have comparatively minor issues. -
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Except the penultimate BRs (9.3-10.3 in air and 9.0-10.0 in ground) are also the dumping ground for premiums that tend to have the weirdest performance metrics and, thus tend to be the hardest to find a good place for.
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I feel like any decompression would end up in the same place, we'd just be talking about different specific vehicles and BR ranges. This isn't even accounting for the current unused BRs (there are 2 10.3 ground vehicles in the entire game and trying to get air games around 7.0 usually involves at least a minute to minute and a half que times) or vehicles at artificial BRs (the M113 TOW for example is really overtired just because dropping it would mean hitting king tigers with TOWs which, while a pretty fair fight, many would object to. The M41D is basically only at 8.0 because of thermals and laser rangefinder, but is hopelessly awful at that BR). I
A-10 is right where it should be
@@PROQUIL AIM-9Ls vs Venoms..?? Yeah sure
@@semicooperative7188 A-10A (E) can easily take on a Roland and win if the pilot is any good. Tech tree model could even beat out Tunguskas and FlaRakRads without much trouble if AGM-65Ds were performing as they should be
Honestly, for ground it will be amazing. A10 is also great. I appreciate that everyone does not know how to use it so it maintains its low BR. S25s at 9.3, lol I'm gana have such high K/Ds
S-25s are ass. Better off using a full S-13 loadout plus two Kh-29s for long range anti-air sniping
@@theScottishKoala they are not, they are easy kills, s13's are great if they are on the inner pylons. A good load out would be 4x s25s + 2 kh25ml's and 2x s13s.
You see, you already made a mistake when using the kh29l's , they are slower and way heavier for not that much more TnT.
The reason why the su25 will be great is mainly because of the ability to shoot multiple targets easily in quick succession. A10 has this ability aswell. Watch oddbaws video on the A10 for some context.
@SkankHunt42 lead the target quite abit if it's moving and just hit close, they are 3x the size of an s24. If you can use the s24s to great effect. S25s are just easier.
if given the mig 27K sight it can be moved up to 10.0/10.3 as this will also make it so it wont have to face low ranking jets that often
You can control every fight against an A-10 with the SU-25 if you just keeo above it. The SU-25 retains energy a hell of a lot better. Just keep energy and you will literally NEVER lose to an A-10
Haha AIM-9L go brrrr
Not to mention the A-10 is functionally immune to the R-60M and can EFFORTLESSLY out turn an Su-25
@@theScottishKoala its already useless to use missles on the A-10 regardless of what plane or missles you have. Iv never tried using a missle on one because of the ammount of counter measures it has. Theres a video by AWGdawg that shows a perfect example of how the SU-25 can out energy fight the A-10 and win everytime. Yes the A-10 out turns the Frogfoot but the Frogfoot has better thrust and you even said so in your video. Only dumb people turn with a A-10. Just like fighting a Japanese Zero at lower BR's.
@@theScottishKoala not to mention the Aim-9L is useless against an SU-25 since it has an a$$ load of counter measures just as the R-60M is useless against the A-10
@@slavcity406 Then it becomes a gunfight, which the Su-25 isn't going to win. So in the end, the Su-25 might not often get KILLED by the A-10 unless the pilot is an idiot and decides to turn fight... but it also won't be able to really KILL the A-10 in return. Kind of a stalemate at best.
Thing is though... the AIM-9L is a LOT more flare resistant than the R-60M, so the advantages are all in the A-10's favor
@@theScottishKoala guess we will have to see come the update.. All im saying is iv seen a video with basic instructions on how to take on an A-10 with the SU-25. Yes its just dev server but if it retains the same flight characteristics then it should should still bare fruit..
I don't think anyone should buy a single premium or premium time until Gaijin changes their bullshit.
0:40 Astute observation about a certain conflict of the time.
This map reminds me of Pearl River in World of Tanks
THATS the one I was thinking of!
I feel like with the addition of 7.0 for naval battles should bring more naval patrol aircraft like the P2V-1 through 7’s or P4M-1/1Q’s
The issue with Ground pounding at jet tiers is that the dispersion of ground targets (GTs) is too small, they ought to be further apart. Berlin (Alternet timeline (where it's USSR vs US)) is a great example of how far apart GTs should be, atleast for props. Jets should have them further apart. Honestly, I'd love it if the GTs spaned the whole map.
I'm here for the map. Jesus Christ I want more maps with average engagement range higher than 200 meters.
Every map has like 2km ranges available for sniping and spawn kills at an equal rate
Idk about you but id hate a map where I can be spawn camped *and* I have to drive 18m to get to a point
@@krelekari spawnkilling on the large maps is a game mode issue (yeah also a map design issue)
if there's fucking three points a huge ass map, and I will go and capture one, I'm not gonna drive to the other end to capture others, I will move forward and inevitably spawn kill
god forbid it's a single capture point mode, I ain't even gonna touch it
big maps need like a frontline mode
In EC, these strike aircraft are (or were, before all the actual game-breaking bugs and half-assed additions) incredibly useful for pushing the front line and destroying convoys. You could air quake with them, of course. But because they are usually slower or less maneuverable than fighter aircraft, taking the time to take off and seek out enemy planes while putting yourself in a disadvantageous position is not very attractive... Especially not with low endurance in the Su-25's case. Large, dynamic, long-lasting battles passively encourage players to use specialized aircraft properly.
The bad thing is now we are getting separate BRs for aircraft in air and ground. Cannot wait for the P-47D to sink to 2.7.
hello again, i've seen you ingame on ground
SlovenskyBias
also Ts were exported aswell
I cant wait to see how they are going to balance the props that get AIM9s lol and honestly I plan on using the SU25 to research the russian air tree
Only props to get AIM-9s are things like OV-10D or Super Tucano, both of which carry advanced enough ground ordnance that we’d still expect to see them at reasonably high br’s. Unlike the Su-25 though, those aircraft have like Spitfire-level manoeuvrability, so they might honestly be easier
god how i wish enduring confrontation rb was a dedicated thing, we most likely wouldnt have such issues.
The only real long-term fix to any of these problems is for gaijin to cater to the player experience and not their bank account.
There’s just a countless number of problems that gaijin ignores because fixing them would result in less money for them (and better player experience).
I wouldn’t mind this too much if gaijin were barely making enough money to keep the game going but somehow I don’t believe that is the case.
Gaijin will only take action to this issue when they see that the player base is dying in their game
Spookston if War Thunder Was Accurate: if by broken you mean breaks and then flies straight into the ground then sure
In such beautifully made game as WarThunder, and such broken gamemodes as air AB and RB are in hight tiers, i will have an absolute blast and joyfull time in this aircraft playing the only good gamemode there is, air sim EC. And yes i know it is far from perfect, and top tier is stupidly bullied by F14's. But its immersive, rewarding and really fun, because it takes skill to fly around and do stuff, not just slide mouse and press button.
now that the RWR and radar HUD is only restricted to cockpit panels, the amount of F-14 shitters will be reduced. also affects people like me too since i play with mouse joystick so i can't look at the panels without releasing controls
@@piscessoedroen I play both with joystick and "mousestick". Still learning joystick and its a cheap one so cant really look around efficiently. And landing is still a challenge. But with mousestick i am very fluent and with SAS on, its absolutely enough. Play some bombers and try find bases on some maps, you will master flying with mousestick and looking around at same time in no time. Also its great news that all those morons that come to sim only for easy prey in their F14's will be gone. That is good news my friend. Happy hunting !
@@qoorson learning to fly f-4 without knowing about SAS is enough exercise to do both control and look movement, it's just that no matter how good I'm with multitasking i will still lose sight of my enemy because i play on lower graphics and still have
@@piscessoedroen I learnt to fly without SAS on Su17, fully loaded with bombs it handles rather tricky. Flat spin is daily thing. Yes tracking enemy is difficult when u got to "look away" to regain control, trust me i know the pain.
Never flew F4, i think its ugly :P ALso im not as advanced in USA techtree, my best plane there is F105.
the new map looks heavenly tbh, except for if the enemy team consists of Akatsiyas and SPHs
if they're all experienced enough. good luck escaping the nonstop spawncamping with HE-VT
Would the working of Air Battles to be more in line with ground attack aircraft be a reworking of Air Battles in general or would ground attack have a sepparate game mode? Either way, you wouldn't need to have aircraft have a different BR for AB and GB if AB recognize that attack aircraft are a thing and with some decompression. You would only need one BR that would be reflected in both game modes.
I think Gaijin COULD split the current game mode in two - one just for fighters (would benefit heavily from removing the AAA and ground targets, and getting bombers/attackers out of the mode), and a second for combined ops (more like sim/EC with larger maps, respawns, plenty of ground objectives that actually matter, etc.)
A point I'd like to see you bring up.
I liked flying cover for CAS Pilots in AIR RB. but now since chat has been removed YET AGAIN. I can't communicate with them outside of a wing wave and some smoke.
Oh wait don't forget the fire extinguishers as seen at 17:48 LMFAO
At the beginning he’s like nope nut noppity no the tanks are
This thing's going to be ridiculously OP. I watched one of these kill an entire tank of 4 crew with one 30 mm Sabot round while the A-10 can unleash over 100 rounds into a tank to maybe kill it.
with that state that the hackers are running rampant they will love the map in the vid
They can put spawns in the areas where tunnels are... i saw an area that's a tunnel but has a big opening that's outside the tunnel... it's a hole... and then it goes to another part of the tunnel... it's a nice place to spawn with 2 in's and out's
Maybe its because i cut my teeth on the Bf109 and abusing climb rates is as natural to me as breathing, but i have never had a problem with the A-10, and am skeptical this overloaded Mig-17 will be any scarier. Now the harriers on the other hand...
A few days into the patch after the SU-25 was added, it's worse than the A-10 spam, turns out a jet that's actually fast, can turn has tons of flares and all aspect missiles kill everything easily. Migs? Sabres? Mysteres'? All dead anything that doesn't have flares dies. The SU-25 can dance around the A-10 with its much better flight performance and is the most broken jet at 9.7 all aspect missiles don't belong at BR 9.7
i wish so hard they would improve the air to ground in air rb and with later jets they could even implement cluster pods to destroy runways as a way to make points in air rb but thats all wishes because air rb will be moskow 1945 flatland for ever and never change because its work and gaijin doesnt like work where you cant get 100% profit out of the work
Can't wait to have to fight this in am a4-B.....
you know what I want to see instead of some new vehicle that is a distraction? a functioning game that does not require as much grind but one can only dream
I'm sure I'll be farming on these planes in air RB after the update, with my Harriers, Jaguars, and maybe I try it with some Chinese fighters, or with that questionable A4D I suffered so much for!
F-5C? Nah! That plane NEVER gets a downtier!
Atleast we're not getting the later variant of the Su-25, it carries the R-73 air-to-air missiles
It’d also have TV-guided ordnance, guided bombs, and even Vikhr missiles, so it’d likely end up at top br where it wouldn’t be much of an issue
@@theScottishKoala at 10.0 bc it can't kill any 11.0 by just looking at it
Never bought premium vehicle, but was interested in getting this. At checkout it was gonna ding me $90... that's a bit ridiculous. Have premium vehicles always been so pricey?
Su25 everywhere...
I like the new tank map what upset me the most is how shallow the water is. I was hoping when Breslau was introduced it would let amphibious tanks have more use to get to areas but no. I hoped the map would be different shame.
when breslau was first datamined (literally only the map and it was several updates away from being added ingame) people talked that the map will be hell with the amount of rivers in the map, only for others to correct them that the rivers were (and might still is) shallow as fuck
Mavericks are too expensive for both the amount you get and their effectiveness.
WT has no idea how missiles works
Surely the solution is just to have a different BR for attackers in Air battles compared to Ground battles, similar to how planes have different BRs in Arcade and Realistic.
I don’t understand why there is so much people who don’t like this game and make a argument on every small imperfection but still play it. If I didn’t like a game, I would play something else.
Gaijin made sure that the tech tree A-10 would have a BR that would have it regularly face top tier spaa such as Tunguska and even ADATS, Flarak and ITO's but they sure as fuck made sure that all the SU-25 variants BR stayed well out of top tier spaa range... Ass hats.
Well, for one the A-10 is FAR more capable than the Su-25 in the ground attack role, and two, the Su-25's br of 9.3 likely won't stick, and on the live server I expect it to share a 9.7 battle rating with the premium A-10, which would still be far too low, but that's beside the point
@@theScottishKoala Btw you saved me the other day from a Ka 50 in your AH64-D as i was heading back to rearm my Mk 1 so thanks...
@@tanner1111 Cheers! I remember playing the AH-64D a lot that day to try and get some background footage for the video about the drone dev blog, so I don't remember quite which map/match that was... but my god the Apache is hard to play right now without Starstreaks!
Just by the title its just ganna be another a10. "Oh the a10 is ganna be overpowered"
The only way to balance this properly is to make CAS have different BRs in GRB vs ARB. Example: 10.3 A10A(E) ARB 11.3 (GRB).
Don’t attack me, it’s just an example
I don’t think it would be any more balanced OR that it should be necessary. The A-10 in air RB will never and SHOULD never be “balanced”, because the only way to balance a super slow aircraft with super deadly missiles in AIR battles, is to try and average out between those two things… that’s what Gaijin did.
They put a 500-700kph ground slugger at a higher br than the Lightning F.6, but that also means AIM-9Ls at a LOWER br than the F-4C, Mirage IIIC, or even F-104A, and at the SAME br as the damn J35A and MiG-21S!
Unless air RB is changed into a more RBEC-like game mode where ground attack has its own place just as much as air-to-air fights, dedicated ground attackers just aren’t going to be good in air RB, nor should they be. It’s air RB that’s the whole problem. Attackers just need better stock ordnance and then they can stick to CAS in ground battles entirely
On the topic of attackers being fucky in balance is the Firecrest. A post war attacker that is instead balanced like a fighter at BR 2.3 I think currently which is just ridiculous in the hands of anyone who exploits the massively technological and performance gap that its engine is able to provide alone.
Map full of large rocks and boulders and they couldn't cover the spawn?
My MiG-15 is going to get smacked around a lot soon.
I think BR as a whole needs to just go away. The game should take a few categories to put a plane or tank into a match. Year of introduction, role, armament. These are just a few of the things that should be considered.
9.0-10.0 is the most compress br. I refuse to play rank 6 in Sweden so I used the Saab-105g to recerch the draken
Wonder if we will get a Ukraine premium armed with western missiles like the HARM?
2 premiums of the same aircraft for the same country?
what purpose would a harm even have in wt? sniping spaa that no one uses anyway?
@@meepy546 Idk what game you're playing but I wanna play it! Second I spawn in my A-10 or Jaguar I get dogpiled by half a dozen Tunguskas or FlaRakRads
@@theScottishKoala same! I’ve been asking for at least Shrikes for like 2 years
Id say, when it comes to balancing the Strike aircraft, besides the obvious decompression, there needs to be a good rework of ARB. The issue tends to be that in most matches, the Strike aircraft don't have much to do, and what they do have is crammed into one small area making them easy prey to any stock pilots looking for some free RP. The only real way to deal with this is for there to be an EC sized map as we have been seeing, with airspawn for the strike aircraft.
Now, this would indeed mean separating ARB into two, as there is a good portion of the community that wants the close range skirmishes that most maps offer. This would infact benefit the ARB playerbase as a whole as the skirmishers get their close and quick fights, without being held back by having strike aircraft on the team. The strike aircraft (And also bombers) would get a bit of a calmer flight on bigger maps, where they have chances to hide and to not be targeted as fast due to multiple objectives where they could be.
Essentially, the battle should be similar to what you would see in DCS, with radar and SAM sites to take out, convoys, ships, battles, etc etc.
An issue I do see that might appear, is the aircraft possibly getting undertiered due to a false feeling of safety over a general lack of enemy fighters, where that false security gets them killed by jets.
Thoughts?
And it is precisely those reasons I've moved over to strictly playing Air EC rather than looking at ARB. The rewards for time aren't as good, sure, but if I can spend 3 hours just bumbling about in an IL-2M strafing ground targets to my heart's content, I'll happily do it, and have done it.
Don’t forget the addition of multiple spawn points allowing for much more player choice in terms of strategy, planning routes, having multiple exfil options to escape to instead of being funnelled to the same area leading to airfield camping. Multiple respawns like in sim ec where you pay the repair cost up front in order to respawn into the ongoing match instead of having to leave, pay, queue up for a few minutes, ponder the immense annoyance that was the entire last game you played then finally get into another match just to repeat the same pain. Multiple objectives for both fighters and bombers meaning you aren’t all funnelled to the same objective leading to a slaughter
EC is just much better for a lot of reasons AND keeping in the standard battles as a sort of deathmatch instead of the proposed ec “conquest” means both groups are satisfied.
For now I’ll just keep at the sim EC gameplay however I do really hope it’ll be fully implemented as an alternative rb mode
Don’t forget the addition of multiple spawn points allowing for much more player choice in terms of strategy, planning routes, having multiple exfil options to escape to instead of being funnelled to the same area leading to airfield camping. Multiple respawns like in sim ec where you pay the repair cost up front in order to respawn into the ongoing match instead of having to leave, pay, queue up for a few minutes, ponder the immense annoyance that was the entire last game you played then finally get into another match just to repeat the same pain. Multiple objectives for both fighters and bombers meaning you aren’t all funnelled to the same objective leading to a slaughter
EC is just much better for a lot of reasons AND keeping in the standard battles as a sort of deathmatch instead of the proposed ec “conquest” means both groups are satisfied.
For now I’ll just keep at the sim EC gameplay however I do really hope it’ll be fully implemented as an alternative rb mode
Don’t forget the addition of multiple spawn points allowing for much more player choice in terms of strategy, planning routes, having multiple exfil options to escape to instead of being funnelled to the same area leading to airfield camping. Multiple respawns like in sim ec where you pay the repair cost up front in order to respawn into the ongoing match instead of having to leave, pay, queue up for a few minutes, ponder the immense annoyance that was the entire last game you played then finally get into another match just to repeat the same pain. Multiple objectives for both fighters and bombers meaning you aren’t all funnelled to the same objective leading to a slaughter
EC is just much better for a lot of reasons AND keeping in the standard battles as a sort of deathmatch instead of the proposed ec “conquest” means both groups are satisfied.
For now I’ll just keep at the sim EC gameplay however I do really hope it’ll be fully implemented as an alternative rb mode
I’m still gonna bring this thing to 11.0
Btw the f 16 saw service before this thing
to be honest, Gaijin didn't give a crap about actual balance the way they implemented the A10 so I don't care if the SU25 is poorly implemented. I'm only going to be playing both the tech tree and premium versions in Sim so I don't need to worry too much.
It's my second favorite aircraft so I don't care if it's OP as hell 😅
9.3 ground = good
9.3 air rb = bad
Gaijin: we don't want to make variable BR's for different game modes lol
Just wait for Gaijin to add the SU-25T with Vikhrs for extra suffering
16:57 so basically they have the same problem as the maus?
My Scott brother. I see other with the same gripes, However, the reality is if any two vehicles produced at the same time or entered into combat was inferior yo the other, That is just the way it is.
A year 2000 Ferrari vs a year 2000 VW.
Sometimes its not about better, its about what the person choses to enjoy.
In the case of the A-10, I have extremely little success, but I purchased and fly it because of the plane it is, not because its of any use or gain.
- Sgt_Katana
That argument doesn’t work in game, because in game the number one requirement is balance. Historical matchups of this vehicle and that vehicle from the same year/period will not be balanced, and nobody wants to intentionally play the losing side (or at least, very few do). It wouldn’t be fair, it would saturate the matchmaker on one side, and we’d either end up with fully mixed battles (less realistic anyway), or queue times extending past ten minutes!
In order for Gaijin to better balance the game (and to even learn what the word balance means),
they need a strong competition that isn't WoT. (It could have been Armored Warfare, but that ship sailed and sunk a long time ago.)
None of the suggestions or bugreports i made on the forums ever got looked at, just neglected, or instantly deleted by butthurt mods.
I suggested countless things, like new gamemodes to supplement the existing 3, new map locations, multiple solutions against spawncamping, how BR decompression should be done the easy way, MM changes, BR changes...
All based on 10 years of experience with this game. (Played CBT as well...)
In retrospective...
What WT needs, is to have another devteam to replace the current one.
I AM THE REASON YOU ARE *THE* SCOTTISHKOALA
IRL it seems like the Russians use these things as flying Grad launchers they fly to a location and fire unguided rockets from maximum range just showering the target with unguided rockets then RTB
how can somebody be so mad of a company but still contribute to their filthy business strategy by buying their broken products xD
because of hope it comes back
@@Minutemman Shit is not cheap as well if it was 5 bucks I would say lol idgaf but many premiums are for the price of brand new AA game titles lmao this is a f2p gaem
Su-25 was 9.3 on DEV server, not 9.7
Dev server br’s are, fortunately, rarely accurate
This will be more fun in sim than any other mode.
0:26 Me: *OVERWATCH, REQUEST RESERVE ACTIVATION*
Su-25T with vikhrs would be crazy
I'm goanna enjoy the fact that I grinded the IL-28 line, it's not for nothing anymore😳
It’s not exactly to OP, I’d say any well trained anti-aircraft gunner can kill it
This is one of the few aircraft I was looking foreword to in war thunder (I am 99% a ground player not air) and to hear that it’s just a lot of meh… kinda disappointing
Like obviously it’s going to be somewhat broken just due to being a cas aircraft and cas in game is pretty broken in general but I was hoping this aircraft would perform well because it’s one of the few that I would have bought because of just how iconic it is
If it stays at its current br, it'll be quite overpowered. Take out the S-13 rockets and then two Kh-29Ls for hitting SPAAs. Try to focus on lighter vehicles instead of MBTs. You'll have a great time. If it gets the 10.0 battle rating it SHOULD, it'll struggle, and might not be worth the PURCHASE, but the tech tree model will still be worth trying.
Just don't bother with the Kh-25s or S-25 rockets... they're its "more advanced" ordnance but they're just a useless gimmick
@@theScottishKoala thanks for the reply Koala! And yeah it will be powerful at the br I am more just dissapointed that it’s advanced weapons are going to be the downside in favour of using the lower tech stuff.
But to be fair with my lack of aircraft experience in game going for more basic weapons might be better considering it’ll force me to actually learn rather than just use an overpowered gimmick or resort to revenge suiciding
0:00 3:01 Maybe clip it and call it War Thunder Dev Server in a Nutshell.
Can you make a video talking about the 8.0-10.0 Air RB battles rating? I feel like it's literally just a feeding ground for premium aircraft
More like 9.0-10.3. 8.0 is still safe...for now
Yea am quitting the game the bugs in the game are killer don’t event get the chance to play. And war thunder customer support is the worst.
holy shit poor koala in the start
I hope this map will be good cuz most maps in game suck.
I think they should stop ballancing the game like they are and make vehicles that actually fought each other fight each other and then ballance the game with team sizes
Have fun using your AMX-13 FL11 against IS-4Ms
your link is in the desc of this vid 👍
We should have alternate br something like if your playing ground 9.3 and in air 10.3
They could give it the r-60 instead of r-60m. Didnt they do it for the mig-23 before?
Mig23 isn't premium
When does this update come out
already preordered the prem su25.....cant wait to use it in sim to power grind the rest of my russian jets
GreAt…I already bought it
aa is already struggling against cas please don't make it worse
Only at top tier, and only against the very top tier aircraft like F-4E and the new Harrier.
Su-25 is pure food for a Roland system
Do you think I care because how the hell I'm going to even play at this high teir as I'm broke and even though I have the time I just get bored
16:00 So basically the same argument that everyone hs been making for 4 years or so. I stopped playing WT after i got the f-14. It made top tier battles a complete joke. I loved the thing but it was far too OP. Every game i played was literally take off get about 1km into the map dump all my pheonix's and then land and reload. Now, take into account i suck but i would get at least 2 easy kills that way. I played because it was hard. You make it that easy and i'm out. But i think gaijn will never change. All they want is money and damn everything else. There will be more players. Humans have a habit of spawning more humans, which means there will always be suckers for gaijn to grift with the promise of historical accuracy, engaging gameplay and thousands of vehicles but those people, like the rest of us, will find that to get anything done you gotta be Elon musk or Bill gates to cover the demands for money that you *have* to comply with. *Premium accounts are required*. A few premium vehicles are also required. And thats just to get research done. let alone make some SL.
This game is ridiculous and although it will never die. I do now see a lot of people that clearly have denial and addiction issues. Their dealer is gaijin. and their drug is pain and suffering in the name of fun.