They could add the previous model of the EBRC Jaguar , the SPHYNX! OR one of our plethore of IFV or ATGM plateform like AMX10 HoT, AMX10P+, VBCi 40 or 25mm+ HoT etc....
the french have a shittons of wheeled ifv ranging from 20mm to up to 57mm, with the option to carry or not ATGM for the 20mm, 30mm and 40mm, it is a little bit sad to only narow the option for them to the vbci and the ebrc
As a retired marine who was in 2nd lar (the ppl who operate the lav25) there is nothing that would make me beyond happy. Also side note we've been replacing the lav at m901 turret with something mostly because that old turret is a pain in the ass to reload
As a kiwi the NZLAV is just such a cool vehicle that i want added to wt so badly, just such a good looking vehicle and so much better looking than the LAV25, also its really comfy
Talking of the Type 93 i really and really wanted the other variant which had the SAM launchers replaced by ATGM launchers and is capable of firing 140 mm infrared homing missile with TADEM warhead. It is also capable of firing at multiple target at the same time ! The vehicle is called Middle range multi-purpose or MMPM for short.
@@Yamaha1933 Why ? We already have such vehicle in the game in the form of Khrizantema-S for the Soviet which the MPM is an equivelent to and its mechanic will be the same which required to lock on a target to fire the missile. I don't see why we can't have a similar vehicle for Japanese tree...
@@casematecardinal ??? What are you on about the Khrizantema is possibly one of the worst vehicles at top tier ?! And one type of vehicle is never enough, every nation needs their own. The TOW 2B is more broken BS and yet there are at least 5 vehicles with such stupid missile.
But why? It shouldnt even be at 8.3 with no stab, thermals and no atgm. Every single ifv at 8.3 has either 2/3 or more commonly all 3 of those features.
As a French main I can't wait to see Jaguar in the game just like few other tech tree EBRs. France could be a big nation if they added more vehicles and stopped being assholes against the nation.
An interesting variant of the Finnish Patria AMV is one with (very) recently designed Polish turret. Same hull, but turret is completely new. Unmanned, commander and gunner thermals (3rd gen I believe), same 30mm Bushmaster cannon, Spike-LR missiles. Would be interesting event/reward vehicle. Turret is called ZSSW-30.
LAV 6.0 for brits since Canada is commonwealth, Nona-SVK for rus, ERC-90 france, VBM Freccia italy and hopefully the Fiat IFVs, also the Fox AC would be a godsend for mid tier brits around 7.0
There are plans for new variants based on the MCV chassis this included the IFV and reconnaissance type which will be equipped with 30 mm auto-cannon and is supposedly mean to replace the Type 89 FV and Type 87 RCV but whether this is just a proposal or a actual plan and how far the development has come is unknown...
Hello there, thanks for linking my topic about french ATGM carriers ;) I'll try to make one about autocannon equipped ones since there are many many more. In the meantime you can check the few other similar topics I made about french artillery, missile SPAA, etc
Great list Koala! I would love to see these vehicles added to WT, would add some interesting options for some cheeky playing; or when I'm bored just yeeting around the map poking enemies and scouting haha.
Thanks from Italy, as an italian i just really really really want to see the draco in War Thunder, maybe with more than 16 APFSDS rounds. Every other vheicle you mentionned is perfectly fine and i can see how the Lambrghini could be an event vheicle or an april's fool thing. But most importantly since the VBC was introduced there is no rwason to not include the anti tank version and the EVO version.
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES Rambo Lamboooooooo!!! I want all of these!! The wacky Peruvian Fiat is so freaking cool, and I really REALLY like the idea of having more cool wheeled IFVs. Looking forward to the Eastern Bloc video, and I am hoping to hear about things like the BRDMs, BTRs (from the 40 to the 90), SKOT, D-442 FuG/Pszh, and all the possible Chinese additions like the Type 08 family, WZ-551, and more!
I’d say they belong more in the British tree, same as the ASLAV. LAV-3 is basically just a Stryker with the 25 rather than 30mm anyway, US don’t need it. Personally though the ASLAV just seems as though it’d be less controversial.
@@theScottishKoala i can see your veiw point on it, but It really doenst belong in Britian, as there is nothing British about it, it uses an American bushmaster, and was disigned and built by Canada. Same goes with the LAV 1 and 2 (Cougur and Cyote). But regardless, I would love to see these added to game. As Wheeled Fightimg Vehilces are my favoute armurd vehicles out there.
@@MightyCanadian In general, anything uniquely Canadian should be in the British tree (Ram Mk.2 DEFINITELY should be British, not American). Skink AA should go to Britain, not America, the Canadian ADATS went to Britain, and the CF-100 fighter could be in the British tree as well. Canada is to this day a definitive part of the British Commonwealth, with less British administration than there used to be, sure, but the Queen is still the head of state and the UK is still their closest relative, not the US.
@@theScottishKoala Maybe its just my personal point of veiw or bais, but I see Canada closer to the American culture and military power (being logsitics, vehilcles, equipment, and tactics) also im talking in the sense of the game, Canada may be Commonwealth, but its also part of Nato and the UN. Peronally I feel it can go to either tree, either slapping it with a Commonwealth sticker, or adding to America, and slapping it with it being closer to the oporator country. Yes some Canadian vehilces should go Britian, if it was made or inspired by British vehicles, but not all of it. Just doesnt make sense, take the CF18, with out a doute it would be the US tree. Its a F/A 18A after all, or the Leopards, that would be German, hince why the C2A1 is there. The main reason why the CAD ADATS Is in Britian is give it a stronger SPAAG lineup. But again this is just my veiw on it. I would put more but typing this on mobile and at work is a pain in the ass, so this is going have to do for now lol
@@MightyCanadian Britain had other options - tracked Rapier for instance - the Canadian ADATS wasn't a "last resort" or anything. Other than that yeah for sure a CF-18 or CF-5 for instance belongs in the US tree, not the British... but I said "uniquely Canadian", which neither of those vehicles are. Not only are the LAV-3 and LAV-6 ACTUALLY Canadian-built... but America have no need for them with the LAV-25 and Stryker ICVD instead. Britain don't really NEED them either with the ASLAV as a less controversial option and the Badger ICV as an obvious fit in their tree, but if we're looking for places for the Canadian LAVs I think Britain is a much better fit, as they're nothing to do with the US (besides the US Stryker being based on the LAV-3). Yes, Canada neighbours the US, but if proximity were all that mattered, Argentina would have been in the US tree, not the German. International ties/relationships matter too - same reason Gaijin can't put South Korea in the Japanese tree, regardless of how many ignorant Westerners think it's a viable option. Putting the LAV-3 in the US tree makes as much sense as putting the IA-58 Pucara there. Putting it with the British tree is far more logical. Canada is just much more closely tied with the UK than the US.
7:03 Yo Dawg, I heard you like Remote Weapons Stations, so we put a Remote Weapons Station *on your Remote Weapons Station* so you can operate remote-controlled weapons while you operate remote-controlled weapons. P.S.: Rambo Lambo ;)
25:50 Hardkill APS that can shoot and hit APFSDS doesn't just make them dissapear you have to remember it only makes them shatter/tumble but they still exist. Which in the end means you reduce penetration significantly (40-70% from what I saw and read so far) and since wheeled IFVs don't have that much armour its probably not enough to make the armour stop it.
It’s enough to stop one of the strongest rounds in the game from penetrating the side hull of a Challenger 2… and Eitan, unlike a Stryker or something, actually has some armor protection at least on the front. Against the side you might still go through, but a lot of the time it won’t
I agree that implementing Spike LR and Akeron MP (which have essentially the same stats) missiles with the TV guidance is a very bad idea - we would get back to that bug on a Swedish ATGM carrier after the Cyberpunk April Fools. However, they could add them as just fire-and-forget missiles, as they both have this capability.
You didn't do France enough justice in this video, they have things like the VBCI series and Panhard Sphinx. And a few others that I can't name off the top of my head. France has a huge list of vehicles that no one ever talks about and Gaijin never adds any of them.
Sphix might make an interesting squadron vehicle or something, alternative to the EBRC Jaguar. As for the VBCI, I'm an idiot and thought it only had a 20mm, not the 25.
@@theScottishKoala The VBCI also comes in with a CTA cannon and MMP missiles, France has a huge variety of wheeled vehicles but just vehicles in general. Its a shame we barely see any of them. Especially considering how unique French designs tend to be.
AML Eclairage (20mm + Milan) and AMC 6X6 (HOT + 30mm) would be the best options for wheeled IFV (atgm + autocanon). With aurocanon only you have the ERC 25, ERC 40, VAB MK3 CPWS, Sherpa CPWS, CRAB, VBR ARX 20, RPX 600P Dragar, VAB Dragar, VAB CTA 40 RWS, VAB T25, AML CLI 25 (yes it was made by France not the Irish), AMX 10RC Dragar, AML T20SO, AML 30, and some more I forgot. Though above everything I would like stabilized light tanks. They exist. But I got the feeling Gaijin will prefer to pick the unstabilized versions and call it a day for some reason
Gaijin could give Britain the AV 8 GEMPITA a variant of the Turkish Pars 3 IFV it is use by the Royal Malaysian Army . It uses the PARs design but with different specifications . There is 3 variant that gaijin could give that is the 25mm variant that is amphibious meanwhile the 30mm variant that have 2 variant one with ATGM (the Ingwe ZT3A2 variant) and the one with just a 30mm variant other than that the turret is same one as the South African badger IFV just the turret is locally built
How about the German Luchs A2. It has a 20 mm gun (I think it´s same one on the Mader) ,it goes 90 km/h (forwards and backwards) and 11 km/h in water. It only got 20 h/t. It has NV for the comander and thermale sight for the gunner, but it has no stabilizer.
I like these light support vehicles and really do not like it when people say they cannot be added. Just add them, even if it is just for the memes. Great video!
Wheeled vehicles are a fun, to many, gameplay and add interesting platforms and weapon systems. I'm happy that warthunder are adding more and more of these on the higher brs where are less of a problem; these vehicles that can dictate fights are too much in brs with less experienced players that don't have a valid map knowledge, and play with green crews and undeveloped vehicles, vehicles most of the time with horrid traverse and mobility that can't respond to wheeled vehicles even when knowing they are coming.
theScottishKoala: «Kongsberg can you make a protector with a 90mm cannon, because, you know...» enter: KMW's tracked Boxer equipped with a remotely controlled turret armed with a 120mm smoothbore cannon
Also a version with the Type 01 LMAT, basically Japan's equivalent to Javelin and Spike-MR. (They're actually not "different versions" of the Komatsu LAV, it's just that the guy sticking his head out of the hatch would be holding a different ATGM. And the capabilities of those two missiles are different enough that the latter would be a much higher BR.) Along with Chu-MPM (which oddly enough doesn't seem to have a "Type" number despite being in service for over a decade; logically it ought to be Type 09) and Type 96 MPMS, both on the same Toyota Mega Cruiser chassis as the Type 93.
Next up on wheeled vehicles for WT - Luigi on a Vespa with a rocket launcher strapped on and hand thrown smoke grenades. - Hans on a Panzerabwehrfahrad with an MP40 and two panzerfausts. Only has one gear and no reverse gear. Can throw firecrackers as chaff. BR at 9.0
German armoured infantry vehicles have gotten fuckin huge in recent years. The Boxer and the Lynx are both massive chonker in comparison to previous IFVs.
Here are some a couple more vehicles that could be added for Germany: -Luchs (Bundeswher): A very quiet 8x8 with a single 20mm Rh202. And When I say quite, I mean it. That thing was banned from most training grounds because of the danger of it running over unsuspectiing infantry, as they wouldn't hear it coming. wiki/Sp%C3%A4hpanzer_Luchs -Fennek MRAT: A dutch modification of the Fennek scout car with a single spike launcher (and some reloads). /organisatie/landmacht/materieel/voertuigen/fennek-bewakings--en-verkenningsvoertuig /equipment/nl/fennek-mrat -Fennek SWP: A dutch modification of the Fennek scout car with four stingers. /systems-products/wheeled-vehicles/fennek/fennek-swp/ Regarding the Boxer: The german version will have the same dual Spike-LR launcher as the puma, only that this system isn't called just "Spike launcher" or something, it is called MELLS, thus it isn't immediatly obvious. Archive: /20220710111612/ /2020/06/meldungen/21344/jaeger-erhalten-kampfboxer/
With just the 20mm alone, the Luchs doesn’t really have a place. Fennek mods might be worth mentioning another time 👍 As for MELLS, that could be a separate variant for the Puma. For the Boxer with the Lance turret, it should probably be avoided. It’s not applied in service as of yet anyway
@@theScottishKoala I would argue that the Luchs has a place in the game. It could take the current place of the Wiesel 1A4, because the Wiesel 1A4 should really be at 8.0 or something, as (Gen2 ?) Thermals really have no place being at 7.0. In a down tier, you will fight 6.0 WW2 wehicles with thermals. That is stupid. Moving the Wiesel 1A4 up also really doesn't hurt its performance, as armor tends to get lighter from 7.0 onward. Thus I think the Luchs at 7.0 would fit nicely, it doesn't have thermals (only from the A2 variant, but it can no longer swim) and is pretty unique in the west german techtree for being amphibious. Also could you point me to where you found that the 30mm Boxer for the Bundeswehr will be without MELLS? Becaue all source that I could find say that they have choosen and bought the Lance turret with MELLS. Regarding Spike, I agree that NLOS should not be in the game. That would be sooo stupid _UDES 33 Incident Flashback_ Have nice weekend :)
@@13deadghosts I'm sure the plan is to equip all Lance turrets with MELLS, but as of yet, Boxer's with this turret (as well as Puma's) are in active service without, so that's how it could be added in War Thunder As for the Luchs vs Wiese 1A4, I do certainly agree that the Wiesel needs a br raise (7.7 would be enough). It’s certainly not “overpowered”, thermals or not, but no vehicle at 7.0 should have thermals. The Luchs Id argue though still doesn’t have a real place. Unlike Wiesel, VBL with the 20, or the R3 T20… Luchs is comparably massive. It doesn’t have that unique factor of being small and nimble enough to act as a little passive scout. It’s just an IFV acting as a faux SPAA that cannot fight tanks with the 20mm alone, so it’d end up being around 4.7 alongside machines like the Ystervark, which would be pretty ridiculous (and also pointless - Germany already have arguably the best SPAA’s at that br range). It’d be the equivalent of adding a BTR-60, it just has the 14.5mm for anti-infantry work, so it doesn’t really have a role. With something like the Ystervark or R3 T20, they were necessary as gap-fillers in the British or Italian trees. Germany though does not have a gap to fill that requires such an incongruous vehicle type so low in the br’s, especially when it has so little versatility or general useability - most SPAA’s are either able to fight tanks too (M42, Ostwind, Falcon etc.) or are effective scouts given their small profile and high mobility (R3 T20, Wiesel 1A4, etc.) That’s become kind of an unofficial requirement - SPAA’s that can’t do either (like the Luchs) just wouldn’t get played. I respect that some people are just curious and enthusiastic enough to want to see a Luchs in game, BTR-60 too for that matter, and they might play them for a match or two, just because they’re fans of the vehicle… but do they make sense to add from a pure gameplay OR from Gaijin’s perspective? I don’t think so.
Sadly France will never have any of it's own S.11 vehicles in the tech tree because Gaijin made the AMX 13 S.11 premium so it refrain them to add a free one in the tech tree
I would like to note that the Italian OTOMATIC is currently broken so uh maybe adding the Draco would cause Gaijin to fix the 20 degree radar lock issue...
italy has many more ww2 and cold war vehicles. the AS37 and AS43 with 20mm to 47mm guns, centauro prototypes from 20mm to 60mm calibre guns and 4x4s with 106mm recoilless guns or ATGMs.
there's also: Stryker equipped for engaging drones (30mm chain-gun + Stingers) Stryker with a similar RWS as the JLTV Stryker with a giant Oshkosh turret and 30mm gun (supposedly can also deploy SPIKE atgms) Stryker with a 50mm chain-gun
24:15 the bushmaster III used on the AMV35 and CV90 MKIII (used by Norway, Denmark and the Netherlands) is an upscaled Mk44 (itself an upscaled M242) the CV90 in Swedish service uses a version of the 40mm bofors gun
im gonna be a little "uhm actually" we havent yet gotten the Freccia, we got the Prototype. I hope they have done this so we can get a Freccia WITH ATGM launchers.
I still think there would have been enough vehicles to have a separate Commonwealth tree. I'd be against the idea if we didn't already have so many nations with copy/paste vehicles, but the way it's turned out, it would be more diverse and unique than several other nations, and would avoid the yanks kicking off any time something vaguely American gets suggested for Britain.
While lots of these seem fun I believe auto cannons already suck the fun out of every other vehicle just because they can spray at targets. Tanks like the PUMA and BMP2M really don't need to "aim" in a way because if they miss the first shot you have another one ready to go before the target has time to process they are being shot. So I believe they could be added but 1-2 BR's higher than what Koala suggested, and move all those auto cannon equipped shit that are already in the game up too. (UA-camrs always seem to get Nukes with IFV's so I think there is a problem that needs addressing with them)
I don’t think autocannons themseves are the issue, the BMP-2M and Puma are just overpowered vehicles for their br, and should both be 10.0. The Type 87 on the other hand, or the Freccia… really only an issue for OTHER IFV’s, not so much regular tanks (at least not if those tanks are intelligent)
@@theScottishKoala I think the solution for most of the problem would be longer range maps with different objectives that removed the necessity for brawling which would solve some of the problem. But the PUMA and BMP's (all the 2's and 3's) are so rampant that I haven't played above 6.7 since April. But will go back to 11.0 when I get the M1A1 AIM (that's gonna suck)
@@theScottishKoala Should be fine, I have all the Abrams fully upgraded and the Merkava Mk3D, 9 crews and 18.5 million SL. Now all i need is a competent team and an enemy that doesn't have Gaijin holding their hand through battles
Germany would also have the Spahpanzer Luchs, basically a Wiesel MK20 on wheels. It could go in the light tanks line before the Marder A1. Also, even if they're not wheeled, it would have the Spike-armed versions of Marder A5 and a Puma as very viable options for top tier (although not more than the Boxer with Spikes tbh). Also also, about time the Marder A3 receives better missiles and an uptier (the Milan 3 was in service when the A3 appeared)
Don’t think the Luchs fits, with only the 20mm on such a big chassis. The Wiesel is already super weird to balance (second generation thermals vs Shermans..??) but at least the Wiesel has that tiny, nimble profile going for it. The Luchs would end up at 6.7… would be completely out of place there and have basically nothing to kill besides M56s and ZSU-57s
the LAV is just a license production of the Mowag Piranha, many of these vehicles you talked about including the stryker are pretty much Mowag Piranhas
@@theScottishKoala this is untrue. if you go on the wikipedia article about the LAV25 under history you can see that the submission was just a license built Mowag (which is also part of GM btw)
@@coraldestroyer4202 Wikipedia as a source is just... no bro. Do better. Yes the submitted proposal was a licensed Piranha but it changed quite a bit before entering service, you can tell that just by looking at the thing
Comment on the Iron Fist system and light vehicles: Yes, the blast from the iron fist will deflect the angle, or to some extent break up an incoming APFSDS round, severely degrading it's performance vs modern composite armor. So instead of a solid long metal rod, you now have that same 5kg of metal in a shotgun pattern moving at 1500+ m/s towards your vehicle. If that vehicle have heavy composite armor, no problem! If it's a lightly armored vehicle, big problem :/
For sweden you could have covered the Pvpjtgb 1111 or 9031 which both had a 90mm recoiles rifle. Or you could have covered the atgm variant called (PVRBTGB B RBS56)
This video was just about autocannon type vehicles and a couple ATGM platforms too, no big tank cannons. Wasn’t aware of the ATGM version, will have to look into it
You might be missing the SPz 2 Luchs for the German tree but I get that having yet another vehicle with the german 20mm (RH202). They could add the SPz Fuchs or even the Wolf with a Milan ATGM missile launcher. There are also quite a few Austrian wheely bois based on the Pandur and the Patria.
btw the feccia EVO (or rather it's turret which is also on the dardo OWS) does use spikes, so taking that into account, 10.7 would probably be fair. we could get a vbcpt2/30 on technicality, though I think all of these are kind of unnecessary. the bas freccia CAT would be enough imo, if not just add the VBC with tow atgms as 9.7
oh i almost forgot, italy has lots of options for devious lil atgm carriers too. including rambo lambo but with missiles and the cubiod death machine(r3) with tows. more grounded in reality there's the puma 4x4 and 6x6 and it's AVH and AVL series predecessors. I'm certain there's something with the fiat 661X chassis as well. there's the little known iveco polyphem carrier that could serve as SPAA too in a sort of adats role considering the fir control was actually contained on the vehicle.... then there's.... well there is no real way to say this with a straight face but they put russia missiles larger then the truck it's self on it so yeah. italy has some wacky stuff out there. there's more centauro and freccia variants too. as for the draco it technically never actually worked fully, but if it did it would've fired DART, a guided sub caliber proximity fused shell, it was made with ASMs in mind but it would help against far off helis and some jets too.
A bit off topic, but I feel like the MEPHISTO would be more effective if we could stow the weapons at will, reducing the size. I dont know how accurate this is, but I think it'd be a neat system. Same with the Roland, Flarakrad, etc.
Kurz would have been a good choice instead of the Wiesel 1A4, since no thermals, and it was made in the mid 50’s. Generally though I’d say just the 20mm isn’t enough. At least a 25mm+ should be needed if it’s the sole armament
I think having the LAV III in the british tree and the LAV 25 in the american tree would be nice. They could also add the coyote as an event vehicle for britain as the coyote is a LAV III with a telescoping thermal sight that could massively change gameplay.
@@MightyCanadian Bru. No. The coyote has a telescoping thermal sight. The lav 25 does not. The lav 25 made to carry infantry. The coyote is not. While similar they are not the same.
I'm also pretty confused why you mentioned the LAV-25 for Sweden as neither they or the Finns ever used them as far as I'm aware unless they were borrowed in Afghanistan or something like that.
@@jod4689 Forgot to specify in the video (I was cutting bits out of the script to shorten it and ended up cutting out the wrong bit!) Denmark used em for a while I believe, which I think would be fine for Sweden in game (Danish M41D and Leopard 1A5DK as well would be good for the Swedes)
kind of surprised that u didn't mention any of the iveco lince's variants, just as the hummer it could be fitted with atgms (i am sure about the spikes but there were some thoughts of using tows early on, don't quote me on that) or unmanned turrets like 50 cals or bigger calibers
Don’t think the Lince ever used bigger than a 12.7, and as far as I’m aware the ATGM variants were concept only. The main Lince variant I want to see is the mshorad version with the triple RB.70 launcher. Shocked it hasn’t been added yet, since it’s the only optical SAM Italy could get
forgot about that version, would be really interesting to see it added. looking on the web i found that the lince can mount the 40mm grenade launcher turret since it is the same turret "structure" of the 50 cal version but it wouldn't be that useful in wt and the only nice picture of the lince using the spike is in a twitter post so i won't count as a reliable source. while searching for more lince info tho i got reminded of the puma, the 4 or 6 wheeled variants, both can use milans, tows and, well, we all know what the libyans did to their pumas 😂 i think u already talked about it tho
RAMBO LAMBO lmfao i Totally agree, we need more wheeled vehicles for more variantion in games, i would like some to be a little lower, 7.0 and lower idk if they exist tho, still loved your video!!
Lower br wheeled vehicles exist, I’ve gone over a few in the past. They’re most equipped with standard light-tank cannons though, rather than little autocannons or ATGM’s
4:20 mole tank
Glad someone finally noticed that! 😂
The French Jaguar 🇨🇵
I've been hoping this would be added to the game for so long. France needs a top tier IFV.
They could add the previous model of the EBRC Jaguar , the SPHYNX! OR one of our plethore of IFV or ATGM plateform like AMX10 HoT, AMX10P+, VBCi 40 or 25mm+ HoT etc....
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AMX-10RC with the TML turret (same as the CV90105). Surprised it hasn't been added added yet. Oh wait, I'm not, it's France
@@collander7766 if it does come to the game they will give it to Sweden.
@@wifi_soldier5076 I hope that was a joke lol
the french have a shittons of wheeled ifv ranging from 20mm to up to 57mm, with the option to carry or not ATGM for the 20mm, 30mm and 40mm, it is a little bit sad to only narow the option for them to the vbci and the ebrc
the VEXTRA platform with the god tier 105 mm 😩 or the 40 mm 😩
@@Scar-L-light the vextra had a 120, 105 and 25mm the 40 cta wasn t ready at the time they were showing it
Wellcome to Italy aswell, they are minors so yeah, you don't have them
@@gasupplisson the 120 was only a testbed, the mounting was barebones and just packed with sensors and shit, so it would be 105 or 25 mike
@@quentintin1 Yeah but french Centauro 120 😫
As a retired marine who was in 2nd lar (the ppl who operate the lav25) there is nothing that would make me beyond happy. Also side note we've been replacing the lav at m901 turret with something mostly because that old turret is a pain in the ass to reload
As a kiwi the NZLAV is just such a cool vehicle that i want added to wt so badly, just such a good looking vehicle and so much better looking than the LAV25, also its really comfy
Talking of the Type 93 i really and really wanted the other variant which had the SAM launchers replaced by ATGM launchers and is capable of firing 140 mm infrared homing missile with TADEM warhead. It is also capable of firing at multiple target at the same time ! The vehicle is called Middle range multi-purpose or MMPM for short.
While a cool vehicle it would be a terrible decision to put that in game. IF those missiles can only fire at jets then bring it in ASAP
@@Yamaha1933
Why ? We already have such vehicle in the game in the form of Khrizantema-S for the Soviet which the MPM is an equivelent to and its mechanic will be the same which required to lock on a target to fire the missile.
I don't see why we can't have a similar vehicle for Japanese tree...
@@i_nameless_i-jgsdf one is already bad enough. we don't need another.
@@casematecardinal
??? What are you on about the Khrizantema is possibly one of the worst vehicles at top tier ?!
And one type of vehicle is never enough, every nation needs their own.
The TOW 2B is more broken BS and yet there are at least 5 vehicles with such stupid missile.
Rambo Lambo!
I loved the video and can’t agree more. Hot take, but the Type 87 RCV needs its stab back and can go up to 9.0
But why? It shouldnt even be at 8.3 with no stab, thermals and no atgm. Every single ifv at 8.3 has either 2/3 or more commonly all 3 of those features.
RAMBO LAMBO!!!!
As a French main I can't wait to see Jaguar in the game just like few other tech tree EBRs. France could be a big nation if they added more vehicles and stopped being assholes against the nation.
An interesting variant of the Finnish Patria AMV is one with (very) recently designed Polish turret. Same hull, but turret is completely new. Unmanned, commander and gunner thermals (3rd gen I believe), same 30mm Bushmaster cannon, Spike-LR missiles. Would be interesting event/reward vehicle. Turret is called ZSSW-30.
I don't think anything with Spike-LR should be an event/reward vehicle.
you forgot the French VBCI armed with same 40mm CTAS gun and atgms as the Jaguar
there's also the Panhard CRAB and Panhard Sphinx
Rambo Lambo!
I love this type of vehicle, they just hold a special place in my heart. seeing more in WT would be phenomenal.
Rambo Lambo dude. Great video, and looking forward to the next one!
I’d like to see the LAV 6 in game myself, I absolutely love it
yes!! canada needs more vehicles!! i also hope they add the skink, quad 20mm cannons go brrr (or 40mm)
Aside from giving France an actual top light tank, I'm pretty interested in seeing vehicles equipped with the 40mm CTA International gun :3
LAV 6.0 for brits since Canada is commonwealth, Nona-SVK for rus, ERC-90 france, VBM Freccia italy and hopefully the Fiat IFVs, also the Fox AC would be a godsend for mid tier brits around 7.0
"For brits" is going to make me pop a blood vessel in my brain.
@@hydroxideblue9367 " 'For brits' is going to make me pop a blood vessel in my brain" is going to make me shit YOUR pants violently
There are plans for new variants based on the MCV chassis this included the IFV and reconnaissance type which will be equipped with 30 mm auto-cannon and is supposedly mean to replace the Type 89 FV and Type 87 RCV but whether this is just a proposal or a actual plan and how far the development has come is unknown...
Hello there, thanks for linking my topic about french ATGM carriers ;)
I'll try to make one about autocannon equipped ones since there are many many more. In the meantime you can check the few other similar topics I made about french artillery, missile SPAA, etc
Great list Koala! I would love to see these vehicles added to WT, would add some interesting options for some cheeky playing; or when I'm bored just yeeting around the map poking enemies and scouting haha.
rambo lambo! And also.. Crazy interesting video, thx alot! :)
I hope the LAV III comes to the game either as a tech tree vehicle or a event award for Britain its operated by Canada and New Zealand 🇨🇦🇳🇿
Thanks from Italy, as an italian i just really really really want to see the draco in War Thunder, maybe with more than 16 APFSDS rounds. Every other vheicle you mentionned is perfectly fine and i can see how the Lambrghini could be an event vheicle or an april's fool thing. But most importantly since the VBC was introduced there is no rwason to not include the anti tank version and the EVO version.
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES
Rambo Lamboooooooo!!!
I want all of these!! The wacky Peruvian Fiat is so freaking cool, and I really REALLY like the idea of having more cool wheeled IFVs. Looking forward to the Eastern Bloc video, and I am hoping to hear about things like the BRDMs, BTRs (from the 40 to the 90), SKOT, D-442 FuG/Pszh, and all the possible Chinese additions like the Type 08 family, WZ-551, and more!
Kind of surprised not to see the LAV 3/LAV 6.0 here, as it would be a great fit after the LAV 25s for the US tree
I’d say they belong more in the British tree, same as the ASLAV. LAV-3 is basically just a Stryker with the 25 rather than 30mm anyway, US don’t need it.
Personally though the ASLAV just seems as though it’d be less controversial.
@@theScottishKoala i can see your veiw point on it, but It really doenst belong in Britian, as there is nothing British about it, it uses an American bushmaster, and was disigned and built by Canada. Same goes with the LAV 1 and 2 (Cougur and Cyote). But regardless, I would love to see these added to game. As Wheeled Fightimg Vehilces are my favoute armurd vehicles out there.
@@MightyCanadian In general, anything uniquely Canadian should be in the British tree (Ram Mk.2 DEFINITELY should be British, not American). Skink AA should go to Britain, not America, the Canadian ADATS went to Britain, and the CF-100 fighter could be in the British tree as well.
Canada is to this day a definitive part of the British Commonwealth, with less British administration than there used to be, sure, but the Queen is still the head of state and the UK is still their closest relative, not the US.
@@theScottishKoala Maybe its just my personal point of veiw or bais, but I see Canada closer to the American culture and military power (being logsitics, vehilcles, equipment, and tactics) also im talking in the sense of the game, Canada may be Commonwealth, but its also part of Nato and the UN. Peronally I feel it can go to either tree, either slapping it with a Commonwealth sticker, or adding to America, and slapping it with it being closer to the oporator country. Yes some Canadian vehilces should go Britian, if it was made or inspired by British vehicles, but not all of it. Just doesnt make sense, take the CF18, with out a doute it would be the US tree. Its a F/A 18A after all, or the Leopards, that would be German, hince why the C2A1 is there. The main reason why the CAD ADATS Is in Britian is give it a stronger SPAAG lineup. But again this is just my veiw on it.
I would put more but typing this on mobile and at work is a pain in the ass, so this is going have to do for now lol
@@MightyCanadian Britain had other options - tracked Rapier for instance - the Canadian ADATS wasn't a "last resort" or anything. Other than that yeah for sure a CF-18 or CF-5 for instance belongs in the US tree, not the British... but I said "uniquely Canadian", which neither of those vehicles are.
Not only are the LAV-3 and LAV-6 ACTUALLY Canadian-built... but America have no need for them with the LAV-25 and Stryker ICVD instead. Britain don't really NEED them either with the ASLAV as a less controversial option and the Badger ICV as an obvious fit in their tree, but if we're looking for places for the Canadian LAVs I think Britain is a much better fit, as they're nothing to do with the US (besides the US Stryker being based on the LAV-3).
Yes, Canada neighbours the US, but if proximity were all that mattered, Argentina would have been in the US tree, not the German. International ties/relationships matter too - same reason Gaijin can't put South Korea in the Japanese tree, regardless of how many ignorant Westerners think it's a viable option.
Putting the LAV-3 in the US tree makes as much sense as putting the IA-58 Pucara there. Putting it with the British tree is far more logical. Canada is just much more closely tied with the UK than the US.
7:03 Yo Dawg, I heard you like Remote Weapons Stations, so we put a Remote Weapons Station *on your Remote Weapons Station* so you can operate remote-controlled weapons while you operate remote-controlled weapons.
P.S.: Rambo Lambo ;)
Koala: "BT-5 isn't a threat to me."
BT-5: "And I took that personally."
"Tomorrow we'll cover a dozen more" - Koala, 9th June 2022
Still no video on non-NATO wheeled vehicles
for Britain theirs a couple more Canadian wheelie boys you could add. Lav 3, Lav 3 TUA, Lav 6, AVGP Cougar, AVGP Grizzly as a low teir
Agreed.
Canada: *builds 11,000 LAVs of 6 different broad varieties*
Canada: *receives little/no credit because of their tirefire southern neighbors*
well, it would be a pain, but getting the rambo lambo in war thunder would be such a meme filled game
25:50 Hardkill APS that can shoot and hit APFSDS doesn't just make them dissapear you have to remember it only makes them shatter/tumble but they still exist. Which in the end means you reduce penetration significantly (40-70% from what I saw and read so far) and since wheeled IFVs don't have that much armour its probably not enough to make the armour stop it.
It’s enough to stop one of the strongest rounds in the game from penetrating the side hull of a Challenger 2… and Eitan, unlike a Stryker or something, actually has some armor protection at least on the front. Against the side you might still go through, but a lot of the time it won’t
@@theScottishKoala Does war thunder model that the penetration of the rod just gets degraded instead of dissapearing?
@@250Skyer250 seems to - I still got hit in the side hull by a CL3143 round but it didn’t manage to actually do anything
Please do tracked IFVs that Could be Added to War Thunder
9:47 don't forget the fox has 28 hp/t with its 190 hp engine, which is nearly double what the AML has!
I agree that implementing Spike LR and Akeron MP (which have essentially the same stats) missiles with the TV guidance is a very bad idea - we would get back to that bug on a Swedish ATGM carrier after the Cyberpunk April Fools. However, they could add them as just fire-and-forget missiles, as they both have this capability.
I quite like the "rambo lambo"
LAV VI, LAV III, LAV II, the LAV III TUA… the list goes on for the Canadian LAV being implemented at some point.
Agreee bud, take this thumbs up king.
It started with freccia and ended with frugina
You didn't do France enough justice in this video, they have things like the VBCI series and Panhard Sphinx. And a few others that I can't name off the top of my head. France has a huge list of vehicles that no one ever talks about and Gaijin never adds any of them.
Sphix might make an interesting squadron vehicle or something, alternative to the EBRC Jaguar. As for the VBCI, I'm an idiot and thought it only had a 20mm, not the 25.
@@theScottishKoala The VBCI also comes in with a CTA cannon and MMP missiles, France has a huge variety of wheeled vehicles but just vehicles in general. Its a shame we barely see any of them. Especially considering how unique French designs tend to be.
AML Eclairage (20mm + Milan) and AMC 6X6 (HOT + 30mm) would be the best options for wheeled IFV (atgm + autocanon). With aurocanon only you have the ERC 25, ERC 40, VAB MK3 CPWS, Sherpa CPWS, CRAB, VBR ARX 20, RPX 600P Dragar, VAB Dragar, VAB CTA 40 RWS, VAB T25, AML CLI 25 (yes it was made by France not the Irish), AMX 10RC Dragar, AML T20SO, AML 30, and some more I forgot.
Though above everything I would like stabilized light tanks. They exist. But I got the feeling Gaijin will prefer to pick the unstabilized versions and call it a day for some reason
Gaijin could give Britain the AV 8 GEMPITA a variant of the Turkish Pars 3 IFV it is use by the Royal Malaysian Army . It uses the PARs design but with different specifications . There is 3 variant that gaijin could give that is the 25mm variant that is amphibious meanwhile the 30mm variant that have 2 variant one with ATGM (the Ingwe ZT3A2 variant) and the one with just a 30mm variant other than that the turret is same one as the South African badger IFV just the turret is locally built
Alternative title: “Cancer cars that can be added to War Thunder!!” Not that I’d be opposed. I enjoy the initial chaos
There is also a 105mm version of the AMV and one with the BMP-3 turret i believe meant for the UAE. Also Rambo Lambo
How about the German Luchs A2. It has a 20 mm gun (I think it´s same one on the Mader) ,it goes 90 km/h (forwards and backwards) and 11 km/h in water. It only got 20 h/t. It has NV for the comander and thermale sight for the gunner, but it has no stabilizer.
With just the 20mm there’s not much point to it. The Wiesel gets by based on also being a tiny little scout… the Luchs by comparison is huge!
Rambo Lambo! Very entertaining, great recommendations, as always!
Hope they add the Australian Boxer IFV
I like these light support vehicles and really do not like it when people say they cannot be added. Just add them, even if it is just for the memes. Great video!
Wheeled vehicles are a fun, to many, gameplay and add interesting platforms and weapon systems. I'm happy that warthunder are adding more and more of these on the higher brs where are less of a problem; these vehicles that can dictate fights are too much in brs with less experienced players that don't have a valid map knowledge, and play with green crews and undeveloped vehicles, vehicles most of the time with horrid traverse and mobility that can't respond to wheeled vehicles even when knowing they are coming.
that JLTV with a javelin and 30mm would rip and tear through EVERYTHING
theScottishKoala: «Kongsberg can you make a protector with a 90mm cannon, because, you know...»
enter: KMW's tracked Boxer equipped with a remotely controlled turret armed with a 120mm smoothbore cannon
You also could add the Komatsu LAV armed with the Type 87 anti tank missle for Japan
Also a version with the Type 01 LMAT, basically Japan's equivalent to Javelin and Spike-MR. (They're actually not "different versions" of the Komatsu LAV, it's just that the guy sticking his head out of the hatch would be holding a different ATGM. And the capabilities of those two missiles are different enough that the latter would be a much higher BR.)
Along with Chu-MPM (which oddly enough doesn't seem to have a "Type" number despite being in service for over a decade; logically it ought to be Type 09) and Type 96 MPMS, both on the same Toyota Mega Cruiser chassis as the Type 93.
Next up on wheeled vehicles for WT
- Luigi on a Vespa with a rocket launcher strapped on and hand thrown smoke grenades.
- Hans on a Panzerabwehrfahrad with an MP40 and two panzerfausts. Only has one gear and no reverse gear. Can throw firecrackers as chaff. BR at 9.0
France had a Vespa with a 105mm recoiless rifle for paratroopers during WW2
Good stuff. The sooner the Warrior gets replaced with an IFV that uses something other than a muzzle loader, the better.
I love how you say update DIRECT *HIT with a silent S
German armoured infantry vehicles have gotten fuckin huge in recent years. The Boxer and the Lynx are both massive chonker in comparison to previous IFVs.
rambo lambo! Love the vid. Lets get them all in.
i love this video wheeled ifv's are my favorite vehicles
Rambo Lambo! Great video as always!
Here are some a couple more vehicles that could be added for Germany:
-Luchs (Bundeswher): A very quiet 8x8 with a single 20mm Rh202. And When I say quite, I mean it. That thing was banned from most training grounds because of the danger of it running over unsuspectiing infantry, as they wouldn't hear it coming.
wiki/Sp%C3%A4hpanzer_Luchs
-Fennek MRAT: A dutch modification of the Fennek scout car with a single spike launcher (and some reloads).
/organisatie/landmacht/materieel/voertuigen/fennek-bewakings--en-verkenningsvoertuig
/equipment/nl/fennek-mrat
-Fennek SWP: A dutch modification of the Fennek scout car with four stingers. /systems-products/wheeled-vehicles/fennek/fennek-swp/
Regarding the Boxer: The german version will have the same dual Spike-LR launcher as the puma, only that this system isn't called just "Spike launcher" or something, it is called MELLS, thus it isn't immediatly obvious. Archive: /20220710111612/ /2020/06/meldungen/21344/jaeger-erhalten-kampfboxer/
Sorry but I had to cripple the links for due to youtube autodeleting any links, even wikipedia
With just the 20mm alone, the Luchs doesn’t really have a place. Fennek mods might be worth mentioning another time 👍
As for MELLS, that could be a separate variant for the Puma. For the Boxer with the Lance turret, it should probably be avoided. It’s not applied in service as of yet anyway
@@theScottishKoala I would argue that the Luchs has a place in the game. It could take the current place of the Wiesel 1A4, because the Wiesel 1A4 should really be at 8.0 or something, as (Gen2 ?) Thermals really have no place being at 7.0. In a down tier, you will fight 6.0 WW2 wehicles with thermals. That is stupid. Moving the Wiesel 1A4 up also really doesn't hurt its performance, as armor tends to get lighter from 7.0 onward. Thus I think the Luchs at 7.0 would fit nicely, it doesn't have thermals (only from the A2 variant, but it can no longer swim) and is pretty unique in the west german techtree for being amphibious.
Also could you point me to where you found that the 30mm Boxer for the Bundeswehr will be without MELLS? Becaue all source that I could find say that they have choosen and bought the Lance turret with MELLS.
Regarding Spike, I agree that NLOS should not be in the game. That would be sooo stupid _UDES 33 Incident Flashback_
Have nice weekend :)
@@13deadghosts I'm sure the plan is to equip all Lance turrets with MELLS, but as of yet, Boxer's with this turret (as well as Puma's) are in active service without, so that's how it could be added in War Thunder
As for the Luchs vs Wiese 1A4, I do certainly agree that the Wiesel needs a br raise (7.7 would be enough). It’s certainly not “overpowered”, thermals or not, but no vehicle at 7.0 should have thermals. The Luchs Id argue though still doesn’t have a real place. Unlike Wiesel, VBL with the 20, or the R3 T20… Luchs is comparably massive. It doesn’t have that unique factor of being small and nimble enough to act as a little passive scout. It’s just an IFV acting as a faux SPAA that cannot fight tanks with the 20mm alone, so it’d end up being around 4.7 alongside machines like the Ystervark, which would be pretty ridiculous (and also pointless - Germany already have arguably the best SPAA’s at that br range). It’d be the equivalent of adding a BTR-60, it just has the 14.5mm for anti-infantry work, so it doesn’t really have a role. With something like the Ystervark or R3 T20, they were necessary as gap-fillers in the British or Italian trees. Germany though does not have a gap to fill that requires such an incongruous vehicle type so low in the br’s, especially when it has so little versatility or general useability - most SPAA’s are either able to fight tanks too (M42, Ostwind, Falcon etc.) or are effective scouts given their small profile and high mobility (R3 T20, Wiesel 1A4, etc.) That’s become kind of an unofficial requirement - SPAA’s that can’t do either (like the Luchs) just wouldn’t get played.
I respect that some people are just curious and enthusiastic enough to want to see a Luchs in game, BTR-60 too for that matter, and they might play them for a match or two, just because they’re fans of the vehicle… but do they make sense to add from a pure gameplay OR from Gaijin’s perspective? I don’t think so.
The LAV25 is a no brainer. I honestly don't know why Gaijin has not added this vehicle yet.
Sadly France will never have any of it's own S.11 vehicles in the tech tree because Gaijin made the AMX 13 S.11 premium so it refrain them to add a free one in the tech tree
10:22 is the mighty jingle lmao
I would like to note that the Italian OTOMATIC is currently broken so uh maybe adding the Draco would cause Gaijin to fix the 20 degree radar lock issue...
italy has many more ww2 and cold war vehicles. the AS37 and AS43 with 20mm to 47mm guns, centauro prototypes from 20mm to 60mm calibre guns and 4x4s with 106mm recoilless guns or ATGMs.
there's also:
Stryker equipped for engaging drones (30mm chain-gun + Stingers)
Stryker with a similar RWS as the JLTV
Stryker with a giant Oshkosh turret and 30mm gun (supposedly can also deploy SPIKE atgms)
Stryker with a 50mm chain-gun
24:15
the bushmaster III used on the AMV35 and CV90 MKIII (used by Norway, Denmark and the Netherlands) is an upscaled Mk44 (itself an upscaled M242) the CV90 in Swedish service uses a version of the 40mm bofors gun
im gonna be a little "uhm actually"
we havent yet gotten the Freccia, we got the Prototype. I hope they have done this so we can get a Freccia WITH ATGM launchers.
for the French IFV you could talk about the VBCI
Great Vid! I really want a VBL lol, so I would hope Gaijin considers all this.
LAV25s and ASLAV/NZLAVs are all basically dumbed down versions of the Canadian Coyote (Lav 2) and are all made in Canada
The NZLAV is the LAV-3 actually, same variant the Stryker is based off
@@theScottishKoala oh I know, but same turret is used on the family of vehicles , my unit ran Coyotes and Lav 3 until they were swapped for 6.0s
enjoy the grind
I would like to add the Lav-25 with a Delco turret, basically a wheeled Bradley
Thanks for those amazing suggestions!
rambo lambo 😎🥵
Everyone forgets the US V-100, V-150, M1117 series of armored cars.
Worthwhile talking about… for another time. Actually I already talked about them on the channel a couple years ago
I still think there would have been enough vehicles to have a separate Commonwealth tree. I'd be against the idea if we didn't already have so many nations with copy/paste vehicles, but the way it's turned out, it would be more diverse and unique than several other nations, and would avoid the yanks kicking off any time something vaguely American gets suggested for Britain.
Another car for sweden could be the volvo (Pansarvärnspjästerrängbil) 9031, that has a recoilless rifle on it
Patiently waiting for part 2 : D
If they'd fix wheels this would be exciting
For japan there is also chu-mpm and type 95 mpms, not as cool as rambo lambo but It should be fun too
The 20mm prototype of the rcv aswell
There is also a humvee with a hellfire launcher on the back.
@@exo068 ... I been trough the japanese suggestions a lot and i dont remember that. You mean that for USA?
@@rocket_sensha4337 yes it was the test vehicle for the ground launched version of the hellfire. The idea was very similar to the chu-mpm.
While lots of these seem fun I believe auto cannons already suck the fun out of every other vehicle just because they can spray at targets.
Tanks like the PUMA and BMP2M really don't need to "aim" in a way because if they miss the first shot you have another one ready to go before the target has time to process they are being shot.
So I believe they could be added but 1-2 BR's higher than what Koala suggested, and move all those auto cannon equipped shit that are already in the game up too. (UA-camrs always seem to get Nukes with IFV's so I think there is a problem that needs addressing with them)
I don’t think autocannons themseves are the issue, the BMP-2M and Puma are just overpowered vehicles for their br, and should both be 10.0. The Type 87 on the other hand, or the Freccia… really only an issue for OTHER IFV’s, not so much regular tanks (at least not if those tanks are intelligent)
@@theScottishKoala I think the solution for most of the problem would be longer range maps with different objectives that removed the necessity for brawling which would solve some of the problem.
But the PUMA and BMP's (all the 2's and 3's) are so rampant that I haven't played above 6.7 since April. But will go back to 11.0 when I get the M1A1 AIM (that's gonna suck)
@@Thunderbox247 dw AIM is pretty great
@@theScottishKoala Should be fine, I have all the Abrams fully upgraded and the Merkava Mk3D, 9 crews and 18.5 million SL. Now all i need is a competent team and an enemy that doesn't have Gaijin holding their hand through battles
Germany would also have the Spahpanzer Luchs, basically a Wiesel MK20 on wheels. It could go in the light tanks line before the Marder A1. Also, even if they're not wheeled, it would have the Spike-armed versions of Marder A5 and a Puma as very viable options for top tier (although not more than the Boxer with Spikes tbh). Also also, about time the Marder A3 receives better missiles and an uptier (the Milan 3 was in service when the A3 appeared)
Don’t think the Luchs fits, with only the 20mm on such a big chassis. The Wiesel is already super weird to balance (second generation thermals vs Shermans..??) but at least the Wiesel has that tiny, nimble profile going for it. The Luchs would end up at 6.7… would be completely out of place there and have basically nothing to kill besides M56s and ZSU-57s
@@theScottishKoala yeah sounds fair tbh, I was surprised not to see it in the video at first but that makes sense :)
Rambo lambo. Great video.
the LAV is just a license production of the Mowag Piranha, many of these vehicles you talked about including the stryker are pretty much Mowag Piranhas
I get your point but that’s not quite true. It’s not a license production, it’s a unique design just based on the Piranha
@@theScottishKoala this is untrue. if you go on the wikipedia article about the LAV25 under history you can see that the submission was just a license built Mowag (which is also part of GM btw)
@@coraldestroyer4202 Wikipedia as a source is just... no bro. Do better.
Yes the submitted proposal was a licensed Piranha but it changed quite a bit before entering service, you can tell that just by looking at the thing
8:35, we havent got them yet as we dont officially have any Lynx IFVs yet
Koala you seem like the type who drives a Holden Ute by this video
Can’t stand utes myself, gimme a solid hatchback any day!
Rambolambo - great Video!
Comment on the Iron Fist system and light vehicles: Yes, the blast from the iron fist will deflect the angle, or to some extent break up an incoming APFSDS round, severely degrading it's performance vs modern composite armor. So instead of a solid long metal rod, you now have that same 5kg of metal in a shotgun pattern moving at 1500+ m/s towards your vehicle. If that vehicle have heavy composite armor, no problem! If it's a lightly armored vehicle, big problem :/
i would love to see the fuchs milan...just so we finally can have a fuchs
For sweden you could have covered the Pvpjtgb 1111 or 9031 which both had a 90mm recoiles rifle. Or you could have covered the atgm variant called (PVRBTGB B RBS56)
This video was just about autocannon type vehicles and a couple ATGM platforms too, no big tank cannons. Wasn’t aware of the ATGM version, will have to look into it
Britain could also get Rooikat 35/ZT-3 and Rooikat ATGM if there isnt enough wheelie boys but info on them is rare unfortunately
You might be missing the SPz 2 Luchs for the German tree but I get that having yet another vehicle with the german 20mm (RH202). They could add the SPz Fuchs or even the Wolf with a Milan ATGM missile launcher. There are also quite a few Austrian wheely bois based on the Pandur and the Patria.
What about the Canadian LAV 6.0? Would be cool
Canadian main IFVs are all wheeled, from the LAV 2 and Coyote to the LAV 6.0
Great video koala. Love to see more like this
btw the feccia EVO (or rather it's turret which is also on the dardo OWS) does use spikes, so taking that into account, 10.7 would probably be fair. we could get a vbcpt2/30 on technicality, though I think all of these are kind of unnecessary. the bas freccia CAT would be enough imo, if not just add the VBC with tow atgms as 9.7
oh i almost forgot, italy has lots of options for devious lil atgm carriers too. including rambo lambo but with missiles and the cubiod death machine(r3) with tows. more grounded in reality there's the puma 4x4 and 6x6 and it's AVH and AVL series predecessors. I'm certain there's something with the fiat 661X chassis as well. there's the little known iveco polyphem carrier that could serve as SPAA too in a sort of adats role considering the fir control was actually contained on the vehicle.... then there's.... well there is no real way to say this with a straight face but they put russia missiles larger then the truck it's self on it so yeah. italy has some wacky stuff out there. there's more centauro and freccia variants too.
as for the draco it technically never actually worked fully, but if it did it would've fired DART, a guided sub caliber proximity fused shell, it was made with ASMs in mind but it would help against far off helis and some jets too.
all the LAV's Strykers are made by GDLS general dynamics land systems a canadian company
Some Boxer variants would also make the list
A bit off topic, but I feel like the MEPHISTO would be more effective if we could stow the weapons at will, reducing the size. I dont know how accurate this is, but I think it'd be a neat system. Same with the Roland, Flarakrad, etc.
Thoughts on the Cold War German Kurz or Puma armored recon vehicles? They only had the RhR 20mm.
Kurz would have been a good choice instead of the Wiesel 1A4, since no thermals, and it was made in the mid 50’s. Generally though I’d say just the 20mm isn’t enough. At least a 25mm+ should be needed if it’s the sole armament
Oh also for the freccia, the pt-2 was fitted with atgms so i can see the freccia coming to warthunder and the actual One in game getting the atgms
If you saw the Mamet film Heist (Gene Hackman, Danny DeVito) you already knew the Italian for arrow.
I think having the LAV III in the british tree and the LAV 25 in the american tree would be nice. They could also add the coyote as an event vehicle for britain as the coyote is a LAV III with a telescoping thermal sight that could massively change gameplay.
The Coyote is the Canadian LAV 25 (LAV 2)
@@MightyCanadian Bru. No. The coyote has a telescoping thermal sight. The lav 25 does not. The lav 25 made to carry infantry. The coyote is not. While similar they are not the same.
Should definitely add some Canadian LAV variants being that the LAVs and Strykers are based on them.
I'm also pretty confused why you mentioned the LAV-25 for Sweden as neither they or the Finns ever used them as far as I'm aware unless they were borrowed in Afghanistan or something like that.
@@jod4689 Forgot to specify in the video (I was cutting bits out of the script to shorten it and ended up cutting out the wrong bit!) Denmark used em for a while I believe, which I think would be fine for Sweden in game (Danish M41D and Leopard 1A5DK as well would be good for the Swedes)
kind of surprised that u didn't mention any of the iveco lince's variants, just as the hummer it could be fitted with atgms (i am sure about the spikes but there were some thoughts of using tows early on, don't quote me on that) or unmanned turrets like 50 cals or bigger calibers
Don’t think the Lince ever used bigger than a 12.7, and as far as I’m aware the ATGM variants were concept only. The main Lince variant I want to see is the mshorad version with the triple RB.70 launcher. Shocked it hasn’t been added yet, since it’s the only optical SAM Italy could get
forgot about that version, would be really interesting to see it added.
looking on the web i found that the lince can mount the 40mm grenade launcher turret since it is the same turret "structure" of the 50 cal version but it wouldn't be that useful in wt and the only nice picture of the lince using the spike is in a twitter post so i won't count as a reliable source.
while searching for more lince info tho i got reminded of the puma, the 4 or 6 wheeled variants, both can use milans, tows and, well, we all know what the libyans did to their pumas 😂
i think u already talked about it tho
RAMBO LAMBO lmfao
i Totally agree, we need more wheeled vehicles for more variantion in games, i would like some to be a little lower, 7.0 and lower idk if they exist tho, still loved your video!!
Lower br wheeled vehicles exist, I’ve gone over a few in the past. They’re most equipped with standard light-tank cannons though, rather than little autocannons or ATGM’s
@@theScottishKoala ah okay, thanks