Shadow of the Erdtree (Elden Ring), Road to Elysium (Talos Principle 2), the Pristine Cut (Slay the Princess), and then I haven't played it myself but Factorio Space Age too
There is "best ongoing game" which has the purpose to include as candidates all those games who received substantial support (DLCs, Seasons, Updates...) The fact is that it is a really secondary/unimportant prize.
You know it’s surprising there hasn’t been a “Best DLC/Expansion” category yet. They even had a “Best Remaster” in 2014, but that was the only time they had that category. Honestly, the games you enjoy is all that matters because these awards are just a way to gauge the thoughts of the people who pick out these awards.
It's jsut that those dont come often enough for its own category. Just think about all of the biggest DLC that feel like compelte games, Iceborne, SOTE, Blood and wine, Genshin Region patches + full story of that region, like a N.3 patch usualy is?!, and what Phantom Liberty. And thats Fkin it, idk for more, and most of those came out each in a different SINGLE year. This doesent work for GOTY.
It would just be One or two legot contenders with The rest just serving as filler. I think any DLC that easily stands on its own deserves The nomination
Part of me is afraid to get some small/short/limited teaser that torments me day in day out for 2 years or so until it finally releases, man will the wait be ROUGH! But so worth it, that I know.
Just like Oscars and Emmy's or any other award show for that matter. All this stuff is in 80% influenced by internal and external politics, lobbies, narcissists, personal interests etc. Not worth taking seriously, although seeing your personal favourite game win GOTY does feel good anyway lol.
@@dud5606 Awards have also historically served as a way for smaller companies or talented newcomers to gain recognition on a large stage. Their awards help their careers, and help them get funding to make more games. Nothing wrong with that.
The game awards are about celebrating the best gaming experiences of the year. It doesn’t matter how or why a piece of content is released. If it is the best piece of gaming content of the year it deserves to be recognized for that. Wining a “best dlc” category is an injustice to how actually good SOTE is. And that’s why I agree with the nomination
Man I miss when you were posting Elden Ring videos every day, I was so excited to watch every time, it might be crazy to say this considering it was just months ago but I already feel a bit nostalgic toward it
Yup. It's just how he is. Talks about a game non stop till he gets it then on to the next. But it is his channel and he does what he wants. It is interesting seeing him cover other stuff sometimes tho. Truth is he was never a souls channel or Zelda channel. He's just a him channel and while I'd love him to be a souls channel that's ok. I learned interesting information about games I probably wouldn't have looked as much into if not for him.
Fuck that. 5 areas are literally entire feilds with 0 interesting things to do. If shadow wins it really shows just how retarded and out of touch you all are
Most devs call new weapons and stuff DLC, Fromsoft calls the sequel DLC. There's an entire games worth of content in Shadow of the Erdtree, so much it's basically Elden Ring's sequel. Plus, The Game Awards owes Miyazaki a good acceptance speech after the debacle that was "Bill Clinton's Rabbi" (or some shit). Cheers oskr! 🍻
I'm torn on whether or not DLC should count. I'd generally prefer DLC not be counted in main categories, but at the same time, if it can stand on it's own, then it makes it hard to be so certain. Like if Shadow of the Erdtree was published as a separate, standalone game from base Elden Ring, then would it still have a chance? It would certainly be more acceptable to be nominated in that case. That's where I'm coming from.
The DLC was finished day 1 and now after it has been “optimized” it is in fact a stroll compared to the full game. Radahn goes down in 1 hour and even faster if you have an OP weapon that melts at Scadu level 0.
That's a great point, and one of the reasons why I think it shouldn't. Like, a DLC uses most mechanics & operates in the same setting of a game that already exists, which it has already received it's awards for. They did not get created from scratch like the base game was, or how other games that came out this year were. That's why DLCs should have a separate category - considering what NEW content it brings, and how well does it integrate with the base game.
@@ManlyTearSOTE deserves MORE recognition than winning a dlc only category with zero other competition. It is one of if not the best gaming experiences of 2024 and deserves to be recognized as such
Shadow of the Erdtree will be nominated but I highly DOUBT it will win. Journalists will give votes to individual games like Methapor, Astrobot or FF7 Rebirth. But hey, it would be great to hear the SoTE ost in the final orchestra
I have my problems with SotE, it’s somehow the best and worst experience I had with from. But just seeing it in the nomination for GOTY would be so fun and would make so many people coping and seething that that alone would be the best show of the year. And in general seeing Add ons, dlcs, etc having more spotlight would be great there are some who definitely deserve that
>Those united in common cause playing in the background. Based music taste. That was unironically one of my favourite moments of the DLC, if not the entire game.
SotE took me well over 100 hours to get through my first time. I was very thorough and completionist and really explored very carefully, but I still missed a fair bit of stuff. It’s basically “Elden Ring 2”. Maybe a wee bit smaller than you’d like for a proper sequel, but not by much.
It shouldn't be allowed to. Dlcs should not be allowed GOTY awards cos they're not a mandatory part of the game. They're called expansions for a reason.
While it certainly has the content equivalent to many full game releases and its my favourite release of the year, I do think other games like wukong, space marine 2, astrobot and helldivers deserve their time in the spotlight. Since elden ring has already won its GOTY it doesn't really need another even if I think its the best. However I do think it should be nominated for art design, soundtrack and a few other 'minor' awards as it still deserves accolation for its amazing achievements on these fronts. Breathtaking area design and a phenomenal soundtrack with creative and thought provoking character designs and climactic boss encounters. Overall it deserves many awards but should be avoided for the big one.
As much as I want wukong to get a nomination somewhere, we all know it will be ignored because of the controversy manufactured by the gaming journalists
It's kind of baffling that there hasn't been a DLC award for several years at this point. It's such a common aspect of games by now, and lots of great pieces of content exist as DLC that you'd expect they would have already made it its own award. Their guidelines at 4:51 are fine I think. 'Game of the Year' should encompass everything. If a new season of a live service game, MMO expansion, single player DLC, etc. are so outstanding compared to the competition, then it winning 'Game of the Year' is fine IMO. Just also have those things as separate categories (which they do for some i.e. best ongoing game)
My honest problems with DLC，many of the open world area felt empty compared with most parts of the base game. And many loots felt not rewarding：sooooo many cookbooks，crafting materials，smithing stones. I do appreciate the level design of the open field in DLC but the amount of loots as well as the place they were put as well as the quality of some of them did cast a shadow on the level design at least for me. It definately is not a bad DLC，but It is the biggest and probably the most ambitious one of Fromsoft，it could be better and til now I am still hoping for a “scholar of the first sin” kind of update for the game.
Especially considering the great gap between media score and steam positive rate , I do can foresee the great controversy even it just got nominated not winning the GOTY. And man after the last year's TGA with bunch of ads and cutting the time for the awards as well as the director's speech after winning. I feel like TGA shows no fxxking respect to what should have been the most important for the show.
00:18 "the purpose of the VGA is to be tribalistic " But Rata, that's the purpose of EVERYTHING in media nowadays. The VGAs are just more of the same 😅
@@coolguy-qu2suBlood and Wine won Best RPG, stupid but at least it wasn’t the main award, the Game Awards are gonna be a fucking joke if this wins GOTY.
@@oaaat_oaaat based on the fact that a lot of great games came out this year that deserve that award more than some fucking DLC. Based on the fact that no matter what, TGAs seem to gobble on FromSoftware’s cock. Based on the fact that ER already won in 2022 and needs no further accolades two fucking years later.
there is no way, with all that backlash the game got because it was harder I don't think its popular enough, I see it mixed in steam rn, but if it is nominated at least it would be very funny, at least for me it is my goty, has been months and I still feel so satistified, is the more satisfied a game have made me feel in years
Funny how they don’t think about this for Phantom Liberty but the moment their favorite studio has a DLC all the rules change; it’s so obvious they changed it just to glaze FromSoft some more
@@yamnbam4346 Games are subjective (plus it’s obvious you’re arguing in favor of SOTE) so no point in arguing against that first point, even if it was critically acclaimed at the time of release. However, that second point just doesn’t really make sense. If you’re trying to nominate the DLC alone, why would the release of the base game from 4 years ago have any effect on present day ?
@@yamnbam4346 shouldn't the dlc be reviewed for the DLC and not it plus the base game? there is so many things with dlcs that make it hard to compare to a normal game.
If it cant be played on its own it shouldn't be considered for GOTY. Im sorry but shadow of the erdtree is not a stand-alone game. They need to make a new category or something.
Even if that were the rules. This is obviously something special and it seems to be holding its own as the best game of the year even being just an expansion.
The game should be in a DLC category I'm not sure what these other people are on but it's literally not a stand alone game, it's a DLC! Are people taking crazy pills!?
My game of the year this year is Balatro. Nine Sols and Animal Well are close Runners Up. If we were limited to only AAA titles, then Erdtree could get it for me. I just enjoy the catered level design of Soulsborne more than the open world of Elden Ring.
Big budget doesn't mean a better game. An indie winning GOTY would send a good message. Games are art, fantasy, expression. I absolutely agree the games you mentioned are even more worthy than most modern AAAs. For sure better than TLOU2 or new GoW.
Hey man as much as I like Elden Ring(literally my top 3 game of all time), I don't like DLCs, Expansions, Remakes cannibalizing the spot newer games should have. This happened last year too when they nominated RE4 Remake. Imo they should create a separate category for DLCs & Remakez and announce a winner every 2-3 years when you have enough games to be nominated. Let Elden Ring SoTE & FF7 Remake fight against other games like Cyberpunk DLC, RE4 Remake, Dead Space Remake etc. Not fair to put recycled content with newer concepts. What will happen now is that Elden Ring & FF7 will take spots in GOTY race and 2 newer games that came out this year will be excluded
I worry that nominating a DLC or even creating a “Best DLC” category would just further incentivize developers to prioritize DLC, Season Passes, and microtransactions even more than they already do.
All I'm saying is, won't it look really fucked up if: Two remakes A sequel And a DLC All make the nominations... I think there should be a DLC category, and under no circumstances should a DLC be nominated let alone win GotY. I'm quite iffy on remakes already, but I don't really know how you would really differentiate between Remakes that really change enough to earn itself the title of "trully a new experience", and those that simply wish to bring an already good game into new and improved technology.
For DLCs I feel that if the scope is large and original enough it should qualify unless they say otherwise. Obviously a DLC like MK1's shouldn't qualify but I think SOTE may be large and original enough to qualify for the most part, but its field bosses are very derivative of the base game, so even then I hesitate to fully endorse a nomination for SOTE. As for remakes, I'm fine with them as long as they depart from the source material enough. For example, if a game was mainly renowned for its story and it got a remake that only made gameplay improvements, I wouldn't want it to win GOTY since it would be winning on the merits of the same story copy-and-pasted. I wouldn't accept something like Demon's Souls remake receiving a nomination in 2020 since it's the same exact gameplay and story with only visual improvements, but I would accept FF7 Rebirth being nominated this year. As for remasters, I'm totally against them winning. These are basically universally far too close to the original game to be different enough to win. Overall though I agree DLCs should be their own category. I wouldn't mind remakes getting their own category too. DLC and remake qualification for GOTY feels iffy at best, but currently there's already a precedent set for it by Phantom Liberty and Blood and Wine. I think if they're going to change this in the future I think they should wait until this year's TGA has concluded since it would be very abrupt and unexpected to make these changes that go against the current precedent.
@xorphinindi there are good full games. The problem isn't that they are going against SotE. It's that they are going against the DLC to 2022's GotY. There are plenty of games this year that people loved: Like a Dragon: infinite wealth FF rebirth Animal well Helldivers 2 Destiny 2: the final shape (also a really good DLC, should it be in the running too? Hell no, it's a DLC) Dragons dogma 2 Metaphor: re fantazio Hades 2 Astro bot Warhammer 40k: space marine 2 Black myth: Wukong FF 16 Palworld Another crabs treasure Dragon age: the Veilguard (maybe not this one, lmao) Shin megami tensei V: vengeance (this one is in a very weird senario, and prolly shouldn't be judged either) These games aren't going against SotE. They are going against Elden rings, Game of the Year 2022's DLC. I don't think there is even a good way to judge a DLC ONLY on its own merits, so much of the lore/story in the DLC requires you to have played ER to fully understand/enjoy. If JUST SotE released as a full game, and was simply a sequel to ER just as it is, it would have no shot at game of the year, being too small, lackluster ending/lore for a full release, and not enough equipment. Let me say, I loved SotE. It's probably my favorite fromsoft DLC, but I do not think a DLC can be fairly judged.
If a DLC is good enough to compete with full blown games, then why shouldnt it? Fromsoft could have easily just released SOTE as is, as Elden Ring 2 and that somehow would make it more eligible?
I reeeaaallly hope you’re right! The first time I ever watched TGA’s was 2022 to watch ER win game of the year. Since then I look forward to it every December. Really hoping that fromsoftware reveals their next game
I think SotE is a better nomiation for the Best ongoing game, like Cyberpunk 2077: Phantom Liberty from last year. Or better yet, make a new category for best expansion
If FF7 Rebirth wasn’t a Part 2 it would be the easiest GOTY winner in years. The whole production is unreal. But most of the mainstream had no reason to even give it a shot. It is mind blowing that Square fucked up their last mainline entry and then went absolutely balls to the fucking walls on the most inaccessible game they’ve released in decades.
Shadow of the Erdtree is a DLC to a game that requires you to beat most of it to access it and it's nominated and competing. What are you on about? It's less accessible than Rebirth and it blew it out of the water in terms of sales. You can just buy Rebirth and start playing it. It's what people won't shut up about on social media. DLC doesn't stand alone, so somehow that disqualifies it from the GOTY category which is entirely arbitrary to begin with.
If cyberpunk can be nominated and win "best live-service game" or whatever it took from games that actually fit the definition, Shadow of the Erdtree deserves game of the year nomination.
I’m one of those who’ll be angry! Not because Erdtree shouldn’t win, but because I felt Phantom Liberty should have won last year but wasn’t even nominated.
finally someone who understands the game awards. its to make fun of shit game announcements and boo games that win that you dont like. its a celebratory event of hate. Still i dont think shadow should be nominated for goty. Its not fair to other games. Even if it doesnt win thats still a slot stolen. But yes despite me being dissapointed af with shadow, its the best thing this year and my god it would be hilarious yes if it won
Maturity is realizing Last of Us 2 did deserve game of the year. I hate the plot and completely disagree with it winning best narrative, but it did deserve Game of the Year. It's a technical masterpiece and the actual played experience of the game is genuinely thrilling to this day. I think you should revisit it. Hades, DOOM Eternal, and Ghost of Tsushima were great, but it's completely understandable imo
@ I think you were exposed to one too many essays with the PS5 version. The legacy of TLOU2 is an eco chamber. Maturity has nothing to do with it. Specially since it’s the “TLOU2 lovers side” that is blacklisting Stellar Blade and Wukong. Fair warning of reading comprehension. On my last sentence I blamed the fandom, not the developers since ND is too busy making… hopefully not another TLOU Remake.
If SotE bags the GOTY, the great cope, seethe, depression and acceptance (?) of 2022 will happen once again and i'm here for it. It's going to be the highlight of my year.
I literally have 63 days played in elden ring and have almost exclusively played souls games since mid 2021, but just… no. I liked it too and suffered waiting for both main game and dlc, but it doesn’t deserve goty. First of all, DLC, second of all, wukong, space marine 2 and many others are more worthy. Im not of the opinion that dlc is bad but this is just fanboyism i think. As great as fromsoft is the industry doesn’t revolve around them.
This urks me... i don't think a dlc should be in the main award category. The game is Elden Ring. It already won one... this pushes games out of the spotlight that deserve a shot for the title too imo.
Could it win best RPG and be more fitting? Persona 5 was nominated for GOTY and subsequently Persona 5 Royal was nominated for best RPG in a subsequent year. The Witcher 3 won GOTY and Blood and Wine won best RPG the next year. People are acting like this is entirely new when it's not without at least some similar precedent.
I mean. Yeah it should be there. Atleast considering how much work went into it. Not sure if it beats Wukong tho. I would love to see your opinion on that and opinion of the audience as well. For me it's definetly GOTY, tho I have a slight feeling Wukong might come on top.
It’s usually pretty easy to guesstimate what the journalists liked the most out of the year, (last year EVERYONE gushed about BG3) but this year seems different. There isn’t a standout contender. There’s a couple of JRPGs and Astrobot that scored around the same range and have similar sentiments with the critics, but nothing truly amazing that forms any kind of consensus. The most amusing outcome is like with 2021, a platformer wins and causes huge amounts of seething from multiple fanbases. I really don’t have a horse in this race because I think all the games that will be nominated were alright to good imo, but it for sure will be entertaining to see play out.
3:20 personally i think it's a good thing. there's no practical difference between a dlc like sote compared to "full games" like gow ragnarok or totk, in both cases a lot of the work is getting skipped. it's perfectly fine to do that (it can be great since it lets the devs focus entirely on new content and story), but you need to be open about that and charge a reasonable price like what fromsoft did with sote, rather than pretending you've made a whole new game just to sell it at full price. this isn't all that relevant to the game awards, but in general it would be good for the industry to encourage positive business practices
A fair person might say that a DLC shouldn't be even nominated for GOTY award. I'm not fair, this year there were only 2 high profile releasrs I enjoyed - Wukong and SotE, and out of those 2 SotE deserves victory more.
@@societyman6591 The others are still really good. It's just Elden Ring that sucks. Honestly, it's so funny seeing people say shit like "Messmer is peak boss design" and shit, cuz like... why? What's so special about him compared to all the other bosses in this game in a large flat room that do ninja flips and string long combos at you with way too many particle effects? Hell, why is Consort Radahn so bad when he does nothing that every other boss wasn't already doing? I sincerely found the Golden Hippo far more memorable than any of those bosses precisely *because* it didn't do any ninja flips and long combo strings (still had the large flat room, but you can't win 'em all). You could go in there and fight the thing without having to waste attempts learning all of its moves. It was something different, and its ridiculous design (especially in phase 2) stood out to me. (its pre-patch grab hitbox was a little BS though)
I thought the same but went back to BB immediately and ended up doing a 80 hour no leveling run to ng+7 (chalices included). The open world bloat is probably what's giving you a burnout feeling. That or the fact that ER just has pretty bad gameplay at a lot of points.
@@xSilentZeroXxmessmer was memorable cuz he had actual gaps between his combos after each combo string. Malekith for example you cant punish after a lot of his moves especially in phase 2. I think Bayle is an even better example. His combo strings are only 2, maybe 3 attacks and a majority of his attacks can be punished just as well as midir. Otherwise I don’t consider the dlc anywhere near as good as the old hunters for example, which I think is the best dlc ever made (only one for me that comes close is iceborne maybe ringed city). That dlc single handedly changed the gameplay loop of bloodborne just by the fact that you can access it so early, it’s such a great way to give the player more freedom in how they approach a playthrough that none of the other dlcs did even putting aside the excellent bosses it has
Games are in a weird space where the prerequisites to play something are always mired with options and/or restrictions so I can see the logic of letting DLC compete. It's possible Geoff and his team have not lost sight of how the controversary of such an act will no doubt stir up some media buzz (and evidently, it seems it has).
"70 hours on my first playthrough of meaningful content" bro forgot the five hours he spent looking for a chair...
That was great content 🪑
LMAO
Meaning comes in many forms 😂🤣
Context?
@@miragebarrage9748 Rata spent 5 hours looking for the way to get under Manus Celes in SoTE.
I think there should be a DLC category, because I have honestly played more expansions this year than actually full game releases
Shadow of the Erdtree (Elden Ring), Road to Elysium (Talos Principle 2), the Pristine Cut (Slay the Princess), and then I haven't played it myself but Factorio Space Age too
@ I know there is also the Alan Wake II dlcs, the FFXIV expansion, and the FF16 expansion
@@thelasthero1035 dawntrail barely deserves to be called and xiv expac let alone a nomenee
There is "best ongoing game" which has the purpose to include as candidates all those games who received substantial support (DLCs, Seasons, Updates...)
The fact is that it is a really secondary/unimportant prize.
You know it’s surprising there hasn’t been a “Best DLC/Expansion” category yet. They even had a “Best Remaster” in 2014, but that was the only time they had that category.
Honestly, the games you enjoy is all that matters because these awards are just a way to gauge the thoughts of the people who pick out these awards.
It's jsut that those dont come often enough for its own category.
Just think about all of the biggest DLC that feel like compelte games, Iceborne, SOTE, Blood and wine, Genshin Region patches + full story of that region, like a N.3 patch usualy is?!, and what Phantom Liberty. And thats Fkin it, idk for more, and most of those came out each in a different SINGLE year.
This doesent work for GOTY.
It would just be One or two legot contenders with The rest just serving as filler. I think any DLC that easily stands on its own deserves The nomination
I'm just eagerly anticipating From's next big announcement tbh
Aren't like all ov us? We hungry
Part of me is afraid to get some small/short/limited teaser that torments me day in day out for 2 years or so until it finally releases, man will the wait be ROUGH! But so worth it, that I know.
Waiter! More Armored Core please!
@@mr.b89Yes! AC6 was the one most fun game I played this year, S ranked all missions.
AC6 expansion coming soon TRUST
this isn't just an award show, this is revenge for Dark Souls III
That game deserved so much more
W3 deserved it
Overwatch deserved GOTY though.
Why should the most unoriginal Fromsoft game win anything
@@mashymyre Novelty wasn't the goal, the goal was to introspect, culminate, and send off the DS franchise. And it achieved its goals with aplomb.
The game awards is like reality TV. It's not high art but you can have a great time watching it.
Just like Oscars and Emmy's or any other award show for that matter. All this stuff is in 80% influenced by internal and external politics, lobbies, narcissists, personal interests etc. Not worth taking seriously, although seeing your personal favourite game win GOTY does feel good anyway lol.
@@dud5606 Awards have also historically served as a way for smaller companies or talented newcomers to gain recognition on a large stage. Their awards help their careers, and help them get funding to make more games. Nothing wrong with that.
It’s actually just like an awards show. Because that’s what it is. They’ve been doing them for 100 years.
Exactly. People take this shit wayyyy too seriously. They just want their favorites to win because it validates their ego.
Game awards also is opportunity for devs to talk to a broader audience, it's also opportunity for devs from multiple companies to meet
The game awards are about celebrating the best gaming experiences of the year. It doesn’t matter how or why a piece of content is released. If it is the best piece of gaming content of the year it deserves to be recognized for that. Wining a “best dlc” category is an injustice to how actually good SOTE is. And that’s why I agree with the nomination
Ratatoskr: I thrive off negativity
kinda sad
@@GonadsOfGodrey Sad? That's literally how much of human society functioned and grew. We literally just took shit from other people.
You wouldn't last a day dealing with the Irish; their entire sense of humor is based on negativity.
Man I miss when you were posting Elden Ring videos every day, I was so excited to watch every time, it might be crazy to say this considering it was just months ago but I already feel a bit nostalgic toward it
Yup. It's just how he is. Talks about a game non stop till he gets it then on to the next. But it is his channel and he does what he wants. It is interesting seeing him cover other stuff sometimes tho. Truth is he was never a souls channel or Zelda channel. He's just a him channel and while I'd love him to be a souls channel that's ok. I learned interesting information about games I probably wouldn't have looked as much into if not for him.
Damn I didn’t know blood and wine beat ds3💀 and that’s my favorite one. Alright nvm shadow of the erdtree GOTY
That's why elden ring dlc will nominated in game awards and winning just to avenge DS3 lose to TW3 dlc
@@hare75 baysed
Fuck that. 5 areas are literally entire feilds with 0 interesting things to do. If shadow wins it really shows just how retarded and out of touch you all are
@@enol1466 game is universally and critically acclaimed but no no WE are out of touch not you lmfao
@@themaverick1898 Well, it's not a game for one
I liked the part where Geoff said "hey all, this is Ratatoskr".
Most devs call new weapons and stuff DLC, Fromsoft calls the sequel DLC. There's an entire games worth of content in Shadow of the Erdtree, so much it's basically Elden Ring's sequel. Plus, The Game Awards owes Miyazaki a good acceptance speech after the debacle that was "Bill Clinton's Rabbi" (or some shit). Cheers oskr! 🍻
This mindset resonates with me in a way I find frightening.
I'm torn on whether or not DLC should count. I'd generally prefer DLC not be counted in main categories, but at the same time, if it can stand on it's own, then it makes it hard to be so certain. Like if Shadow of the Erdtree was published as a separate, standalone game from base Elden Ring, then would it still have a chance? It would certainly be more acceptable to be nominated in that case. That's where I'm coming from.
I think if it is substantial enough to stand alone as its own experience, like Phantom Liberty, then it applies.
The DLC was finished day 1 and now after it has been “optimized” it is in fact a stroll compared to the full game.
Radahn goes down in 1 hour and even faster if you have an OP weapon that melts at Scadu level 0.
That's a great point, and one of the reasons why I think it shouldn't.
Like, a DLC uses most mechanics & operates in the same setting of a game that already exists, which it has already received it's awards for. They did not get created from scratch like the base game was, or how other games that came out this year were.
That's why DLCs should have a separate category - considering what NEW content it brings, and how well does it integrate with the base game.
@@josetomascamposrobledano4618what the fuck are you talking about lmao
@@ManlyTearSOTE deserves MORE recognition than winning a dlc only category with zero other competition. It is one of if not the best gaming experiences of 2024 and deserves to be recognized as such
While I disagree completely on principle, I 💯% support this due to your primary point:
It would be absolutely hilarious.
Shadow of the Erdtree will be nominated but I highly DOUBT it will win. Journalists will give votes to individual games like Methapor, Astrobot or FF7 Rebirth. But hey, it would be great to hear the SoTE ost in the final orchestra
Yeah that’s something to at least be happy about
I have my problems with SotE, it’s somehow the best and worst experience I had with from. But just seeing it in the nomination for GOTY would be so fun and would make so many people coping and seething that that alone would be the best show of the year.
And in general seeing Add ons, dlcs, etc having more spotlight would be great there are some who definitely deserve that
>Those united in common cause playing in the background.
Based music taste. That was unironically one of my favourite moments of the DLC, if not the entire game.
SotE took me well over 100 hours to get through my first time. I was very thorough and completionist and really explored very carefully, but I still missed a fair bit of stuff. It’s basically “Elden Ring 2”. Maybe a wee bit smaller than you’d like for a proper sequel, but not by much.
SOTE winning GOTY would shake the world, I'm all for it.
MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD!
Same
No it wouldn't 😂. Yall are weird
@@austin0_bandit05 Blud forgot what Elden Ring did
It shouldn't be allowed to. Dlcs should not be allowed GOTY awards cos they're not a mandatory part of the game. They're called expansions for a reason.
While it certainly has the content equivalent to many full game releases and its my favourite release of the year, I do think other games like wukong, space marine 2, astrobot and helldivers deserve their time in the spotlight. Since elden ring has already won its GOTY it doesn't really need another even if I think its the best. However I do think it should be nominated for art design, soundtrack and a few other 'minor' awards as it still deserves accolation for its amazing achievements on these fronts. Breathtaking area design and a phenomenal soundtrack with creative and thought provoking character designs and climactic boss encounters.
Overall it deserves many awards but should be avoided for the big one.
But you're right it would be hilarious
As much as I want wukong to get a nomination somewhere, we all know it will be ignored because of the controversy manufactured by the gaming journalists
Man, I was so ready to disagree, and then you pointed out how hilarious it would be... And yes, it would be hilarious.
The game awards are so pathetically funny
I told everyone that this was gonna happen my godddd what a time to be alive 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Somehow Miyazaki returned
It's kind of baffling that there hasn't been a DLC award for several years at this point. It's such a common aspect of games by now, and lots of great pieces of content exist as DLC that you'd expect they would have already made it its own award.
Their guidelines at 4:51 are fine I think. 'Game of the Year' should encompass everything. If a new season of a live service game, MMO expansion, single player DLC, etc. are so outstanding compared to the competition, then it winning 'Game of the Year' is fine IMO. Just also have those things as separate categories (which they do for some i.e. best ongoing game)
Sir, you are a prophet.
God of war dlc was also really good. Would love a dlc category
My honest problems with DLC，many of the open world area felt empty compared with most parts of the base game. And many loots felt not rewarding：sooooo many cookbooks，crafting materials，smithing stones. I do appreciate the level design of the open field in DLC but the amount of loots as well as the place they were put as well as the quality of some of them did cast a shadow on the level design at least for me.
It definately is not a bad DLC，but It is the biggest and probably the most ambitious one of Fromsoft，it could be better and til now I am still hoping for a “scholar of the first sin” kind of update for the game.
Especially considering the great gap between media score and steam positive rate , I do can foresee the great controversy even it just got nominated not winning the GOTY. And man after the last year's TGA with bunch of ads and cutting the time for the awards as well as the director's speech after winning. I feel like TGA shows no fxxking respect to what should have been the most important for the show.
Ridiculous. Make a category for best DLC/Expansion of the Year.
You want SotE nominated because it deserves the award; I want SotE nominated because of how much gamer rage it would trigger. We are not the same.
Did you watched the video?
@@user-zp8kj2cl9g Who watches videos anymore?
Bro did not watch the video
2:40
Lazy bum didn’t watch the video…
00:18 "the purpose of the VGA is to be tribalistic "
But Rata, that's the purpose of EVERYTHING in media nowadays. The VGAs are just more of the same 😅
Elden Ring wont make people as mad as Balatro winning game of the year .
So i'm gonna operate on your logic and vote for Balatro
Rato's literal excuse for loving the game awards is that he wants beef and I'm 100% for it xD
I think it deserves it but what it really should win is best art direction and score because OH my those were peak
you were sooooooo right bruh. we are soo back, the revenge of DS3 will be sweet. SOTE Will win and " may chaos take the world".
I too have the mischievous side of wanting Elden Rings DLC to win GOTY. Should it happen? Maybe not, but my bias REALLY wants it to happen.
Should be first dlc to win it
Blood and Wine has already won it. Wouldn't be the first DLC
No.
@@coolguy-qu2suBlood and Wine won Best RPG, stupid but at least it wasn’t the main award, the Game Awards are gonna be a fucking joke if this wins GOTY.
@@legendlalo based on what?
@@oaaat_oaaat based on the fact that a lot of great games came out this year that deserve that award more than some fucking DLC. Based on the fact that no matter what, TGAs seem to gobble on FromSoftware’s cock. Based on the fact that ER already won in 2022 and needs no further accolades two fucking years later.
Geoff has evolved from being a liver to Kojima to Miyazaki. Pattern shows he got a preference, I see 😂
Lmao the cut to FF7 rebirth at 0:25 when he talks about booing at the games you don’t like, definitely intentional
Yeah but is the monster hunter wilds beta eligible for GOTY?
If Multiversus won multiple Fighting Game of the Year awards as an open beta...
I loved the beta!
If remakes and remasters can be nominated, why can’t a DLC?
Every year I watch the game awards without commentary, but damn it I'm sold, I'll watch it on your channel this year
there is no way, with all that backlash the game got because it was harder I don't think its popular enough, I see it mixed in steam rn, but if it is nominated at least it would be very funny, at least for me it is my goty, has been months and I still feel so satistified, is the more satisfied a game have made me feel in years
But the all reviews is mostly positive.
If Dragon Age wins then we know this show has no value
I mean, it's already clear it has no value.
That would be the most ridiculous thing ever
If that happens then they better start showing the game awards on comedy central. Not it shouldn't be there already.
If it gets nominated it has no value.
It won't even get nominated they aren't that far gone. Surely
it should be nominated (and win) best art direction because its not even close
Funny how they don’t think about this for Phantom Liberty but the moment their favorite studio has a DLC all the rules change; it’s so obvious they changed it just to glaze FromSoft some more
Was phantom liberty really that good? Also keep in mind Cyberpunk had a rather special launch, that could also be another factor.
They really favor FS like that, damn
@@yamnbam4346 Games are subjective (plus it’s obvious you’re arguing in favor of SOTE) so no point in arguing against that first point, even if it was critically acclaimed at the time of release. However, that second point just doesn’t really make sense. If you’re trying to nominate the DLC alone, why would the release of the base game from 4 years ago have any effect on present day ?
@@yamnbam4346 shouldn't the dlc be reviewed for the DLC and not it plus the base game? there is so many things with dlcs that make it hard to compare to a normal game.
As if The Witcher 3: Blood and Wine expansion didn’t win the Best RPG award over Dark Souls 3 back in 2016
If we're going to qualify remakes and remasters, SOTE deserves the nomination at the very least.
If it cant be played on its own it shouldn't be considered for GOTY. Im sorry but shadow of the erdtree is not a stand-alone game. They need to make a new category or something.
He literally read the rules for you and that’s not how it works
@@SleeplessSpecteryou beat me to it.
When he's giving out awards he can make his own rules.
You are literally making up rules
Even if that were the rules. This is obviously something special and it seems to be holding its own as the best game of the year even being just an expansion.
The game should be in a DLC category I'm not sure what these other people are on but it's literally not a stand alone game, it's a DLC! Are people taking crazy pills!?
My game of the year this year is Balatro. Nine Sols and Animal Well are close Runners Up.
If we were limited to only AAA titles, then Erdtree could get it for me. I just enjoy the catered level design of Soulsborne more than the open world of Elden Ring.
Big budget doesn't mean a better game. An indie winning GOTY would send a good message. Games are art, fantasy, expression. I absolutely agree the games you mentioned are even more worthy than most modern AAAs. For sure better than TLOU2 or new GoW.
Hey man as much as I like Elden Ring(literally my top 3 game of all time), I don't like DLCs, Expansions, Remakes cannibalizing the spot newer games should have. This happened last year too when they nominated RE4 Remake.
Imo they should create a separate category for DLCs & Remakez and announce a winner every 2-3 years when you have enough games to be nominated. Let Elden Ring SoTE & FF7 Remake fight against other games like Cyberpunk DLC, RE4 Remake, Dead Space Remake etc. Not fair to put recycled content with newer concepts. What will happen now is that Elden Ring & FF7 will take spots in GOTY race and 2 newer games that came out this year will be excluded
This the kind of petty bullshit I expect from this channel, keep up the good work
Wait....Rata likes the Game Awards? Is my memory failing me or did past Rata livestreams of TGAs mostly include Rata being absolutely miserable? XD
Being miserable is part of the fun.
The answer to both of these questions is "yes".
I worry that nominating a DLC or even creating a “Best DLC” category would just further incentivize developers to prioritize DLC, Season Passes, and microtransactions even more than they already do.
The bosses are better than the base game.
COME ONNN BOYYYYS LETS MAKE IT HAPPEEEEEEEEEN
If it is nominated, the only game that would be a direct competitor is Black Myth Wukong
Wukong is trash
You're prob right. Had no idea Blood and Wine got the award, to be honest though, they deserved it.
Black Myth: Wukong should be nominated also. If they don't nominate BMW we all know the reason.
Bro said what everyone was afraid to say
All I'm saying is, won't it look really fucked up if:
Two remakes
A sequel
And a DLC
All make the nominations...
I think there should be a DLC category, and under no circumstances should a DLC be nominated let alone win GotY. I'm quite iffy on remakes already, but I don't really know how you would really differentiate between Remakes that really change enough to earn itself the title of "trully a new experience", and those that simply wish to bring an already good game into new and improved technology.
This. As always, Speedwagon is best waifu.
For DLCs I feel that if the scope is large and original enough it should qualify unless they say otherwise. Obviously a DLC like MK1's shouldn't qualify but I think SOTE may be large and original enough to qualify for the most part, but its field bosses are very derivative of the base game, so even then I hesitate to fully endorse a nomination for SOTE.
As for remakes, I'm fine with them as long as they depart from the source material enough. For example, if a game was mainly renowned for its story and it got a remake that only made gameplay improvements, I wouldn't want it to win GOTY since it would be winning on the merits of the same story copy-and-pasted. I wouldn't accept something like Demon's Souls remake receiving a nomination in 2020 since it's the same exact gameplay and story with only visual improvements, but I would accept FF7 Rebirth being nominated this year.
As for remasters, I'm totally against them winning. These are basically universally far too close to the original game to be different enough to win.
Overall though I agree DLCs should be their own category. I wouldn't mind remakes getting their own category too. DLC and remake qualification for GOTY feels iffy at best, but currently there's already a precedent set for it by Phantom Liberty and Blood and Wine. I think if they're going to change this in the future I think they should wait until this year's TGA has concluded since it would be very abrupt and unexpected to make these changes that go against the current precedent.
@@gavinatorthegr835 maybe if DLC is winning over full games, they should make better full games.
@xorphinindi there are good full games. The problem isn't that they are going against SotE. It's that they are going against the DLC to 2022's GotY.
There are plenty of games this year that people loved:
Like a Dragon: infinite wealth
FF rebirth
Animal well
Helldivers 2
Destiny 2: the final shape (also a really good DLC, should it be in the running too? Hell no, it's a DLC)
Dragons dogma 2
Metaphor: re fantazio
Hades 2
Astro bot
Warhammer 40k: space marine 2
Black myth: Wukong
FF 16
Palworld
Another crabs treasure
Dragon age: the Veilguard (maybe not this one, lmao)
Shin megami tensei V: vengeance (this one is in a very weird senario, and prolly shouldn't be judged either)
These games aren't going against SotE. They are going against Elden rings, Game of the Year 2022's DLC.
I don't think there is even a good way to judge a DLC ONLY on its own merits, so much of the lore/story in the DLC requires you to have played ER to fully understand/enjoy. If JUST SotE released as a full game, and was simply a sequel to ER just as it is, it would have no shot at game of the year, being too small, lackluster ending/lore for a full release, and not enough equipment.
Let me say, I loved SotE. It's probably my favorite fromsoft DLC, but I do not think a DLC can be fairly judged.
dd2 wasn't a remake if that's what your talking about it has new enemies mechanics and new open world and new vocations/races.
They should have a category for best expansion/dlc
If a DLC is good enough to compete with full blown games, then why shouldnt it? Fromsoft could have easily just released SOTE as is, as Elden Ring 2 and that somehow would make it more eligible?
Name a single game this year besides concord or ASTRO bot that dlc can compete with quit over praising that game/dlc
@@Gems56 All of them lol? You tell me what it can't compete with then.
@@shinyhydreigon7257 dd2.
@@shinyhydreigon7257 yt deleting my comments no point in continuing this conversation.
You amaze me sometimes with how well your vernacular aligns with mine. 😂
I reeeaaallly hope you’re right! The first time I ever watched TGA’s was 2022 to watch ER win game of the year. Since then I look forward to it every December. Really hoping that fromsoftware reveals their next game
Deserves the nom honestly, even if it doesn't win.
I think SotE is a better nomiation for the Best ongoing game, like Cyberpunk 2077: Phantom Liberty from last year. Or better yet, make a new category for best expansion
Truly, a man after my own heart. I would love to see the aftermath of Shadow of the Erdtree winning game of the year.
If the $70 DLC for Breath of the Wild can get nominated, then I don't see why SOTE can't.
If FF7 Rebirth wasn’t a Part 2 it would be the easiest GOTY winner in years. The whole production is unreal. But most of the mainstream had no reason to even give it a shot. It is mind blowing that Square fucked up their last mainline entry and then went absolutely balls to the fucking walls on the most inaccessible game they’ve released in decades.
Shadow of the Erdtree is a DLC to a game that requires you to beat most of it to access it and it's nominated and competing. What are you on about? It's less accessible than Rebirth and it blew it out of the water in terms of sales. You can just buy Rebirth and start playing it. It's what people won't shut up about on social media. DLC doesn't stand alone, so somehow that disqualifies it from the GOTY category which is entirely arbitrary to begin with.
I think there'll be two SotE options to choose from: one for players who used the Fingerprint Shield, and one for players who didn't
If cyberpunk can be nominated and win "best live-service game" or whatever it took from games that actually fit the definition, Shadow of the Erdtree deserves game of the year nomination.
I’m one of those who’ll be angry! Not because Erdtree shouldn’t win, but because I felt Phantom Liberty should have won last year but wasn’t even nominated.
Phantom Liberty was peak
finally someone who understands the game awards. its to make fun of shit game announcements and boo games that win that you dont like. its a celebratory event of hate.
Still i dont think shadow should be nominated for goty. Its not fair to other games. Even if it doesnt win thats still a slot stolen.
But yes despite me being dissapointed af with shadow, its the best thing this year and my god it would be hilarious yes if it won
Shadow of the erdtree is my fav game this year
TLOU2 already taught me TGA are a joke
Maturity is realizing Last of Us 2 did deserve game of the year. I hate the plot and completely disagree with it winning best narrative, but it did deserve Game of the Year. It's a technical masterpiece and the actual played experience of the game is genuinely thrilling to this day. I think you should revisit it. Hades, DOOM Eternal, and Ghost of Tsushima were great, but it's completely understandable imo
@ I think you were exposed to one too many essays with the PS5 version.
The legacy of TLOU2 is an eco chamber.
Maturity has nothing to do with it. Specially since it’s the “TLOU2 lovers side” that is blacklisting Stellar Blade and Wukong.
Fair warning of reading comprehension. On my last sentence I blamed the fandom, not the developers since ND is too busy making… hopefully not another TLOU Remake.
@@josetomascamposrobledano4618 TLOU2 was definitely GOTY that year
We will also get a Silksong release date and a new trailer 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
The game awards stream the only of your stream ill never miss
If SotE bags the GOTY, the great cope, seethe, depression and acceptance (?) of 2022 will happen once again and i'm here for it. It's going to be the highlight of my year.
It got nominated and it will win!
2:50 My man know what's up lol. Gained a follower. :)
I literally have 63 days played in elden ring and have almost exclusively played souls games since mid 2021, but just… no. I liked it too and suffered waiting for both main game and dlc, but it doesn’t deserve goty. First of all, DLC, second of all, wukong, space marine 2 and many others are more worthy. Im not of the opinion that dlc is bad but this is just fanboyism i think. As great as fromsoft is the industry doesn’t revolve around them.
This urks me... i don't think a dlc should be in the main award category. The game is Elden Ring. It already won one... this pushes games out of the spotlight that deserve a shot for the title too imo.
Could it win best RPG and be more fitting? Persona 5 was nominated for GOTY and subsequently Persona 5 Royal was nominated for best RPG in a subsequent year. The Witcher 3 won GOTY and Blood and Wine won best RPG the next year. People are acting like this is entirely new when it's not without at least some similar precedent.
I can care less who they pick - Elden Ring DLC is MY GOTY. I got a trophy for Miyazaki he’s more than welcome to come claim it lol!
Ask, and ye shall receive 🤷🏾♂️
I mean. Yeah it should be there. Atleast considering how much work went into it. Not sure if it beats Wukong tho. I would love to see your opinion on that and opinion of the audience as well. For me it's definetly GOTY, tho I have a slight feeling Wukong might come on top.
Wukong is trash
@@SleeplessSpecter Somewhat glad to hear it.
Don't get your hopes up. Considering the jury, I highly doubt Wukong will be in the GOTY list.
@@nightmare171 I think I said it wrong. I mean SOTE is my goty.
Wukong is the epitome of a 7/10 game. Does not belong on the list.
My favorite preacher. Amen✋
I only follow the Game Awards for the discourse, so SotE winning Game of the Year would be a Christmas present for me
It’s usually pretty easy to guesstimate what the journalists liked the most out of the year, (last year EVERYONE gushed about BG3) but this year seems different. There isn’t a standout contender. There’s a couple of JRPGs and Astrobot that scored around the same range and have similar sentiments with the critics, but nothing truly amazing that forms any kind of consensus. The most amusing outcome is like with 2021, a platformer wins and causes huge amounts of seething from multiple fanbases. I really don’t have a horse in this race because I think all the games that will be nominated were alright to good imo, but it for sure will be entertaining to see play out.
3:20 personally i think it's a good thing. there's no practical difference between a dlc like sote compared to "full games" like gow ragnarok or totk, in both cases a lot of the work is getting skipped. it's perfectly fine to do that (it can be great since it lets the devs focus entirely on new content and story), but you need to be open about that and charge a reasonable price like what fromsoft did with sote, rather than pretending you've made a whole new game just to sell it at full price. this isn't all that relevant to the game awards, but in general it would be good for the industry to encourage positive business practices
Shadow of the Erdtree winning would make Elden Ring the only game ever to win two legitimate GOTYs, somehow. I'm all for it, it deserves it so much.
Elden Ring winning goty twice would be the hardest video game flex of all time
I loved my time with Elden but honestly… how can a one dimensional game win goty?
with how much Keighley love Miyazaki and fromsoft having celebrity status right now, it would be a surprise if it's not nominated.
A fair person might say that a DLC shouldn't be even nominated for GOTY award. I'm not fair, this year there were only 2 high profile releasrs I enjoyed - Wukong and SotE, and out of those 2 SotE deserves victory more.
This man toxicity is beyond our mortal understanding, its inspiring.
Keep it up.
Make a DLC exclusive category I dont care how good a DLC is it shouldnt be as a full game.
Agree 100%
Maybe the clarification is because of remakes too, ofc I am referring to rebirth winning goty.
I haven’t finished SotE. Honestly I think I’m finally burned out on Souls games. I just can’t be bothered. Maybe in a year or two I’ll get back to it.
Shadow of the Erdtree cured me of my love of Souls games.
@@societyman6591 The others are still really good. It's just Elden Ring that sucks.
Honestly, it's so funny seeing people say shit like "Messmer is peak boss design" and shit, cuz like... why? What's so special about him compared to all the other bosses in this game in a large flat room that do ninja flips and string long combos at you with way too many particle effects? Hell, why is Consort Radahn so bad when he does nothing that every other boss wasn't already doing?
I sincerely found the Golden Hippo far more memorable than any of those bosses precisely *because* it didn't do any ninja flips and long combo strings (still had the large flat room, but you can't win 'em all). You could go in there and fight the thing without having to waste attempts learning all of its moves. It was something different, and its ridiculous design (especially in phase 2) stood out to me. (its pre-patch grab hitbox was a little BS though)
I thought the same but went back to BB immediately and ended up doing a 80 hour no leveling run to ng+7 (chalices included).
The open world bloat is probably what's giving you a burnout feeling. That or the fact that ER just has pretty bad gameplay at a lot of points.
@@xSilentZeroXxmessmer was memorable cuz he had actual gaps between his combos after each combo string.
Malekith for example you cant punish after a lot of his moves especially in phase 2.
I think Bayle is an even better example. His combo strings are only 2, maybe 3 attacks and a majority of his attacks can be punished just as well as midir. Otherwise I don’t consider the dlc anywhere near as good as the old hunters for example, which I think is the best dlc ever made (only one for me that comes close is iceborne maybe ringed city). That dlc single handedly changed the gameplay loop of bloodborne just by the fact that you can access it so early, it’s such a great way to give the player more freedom in how they approach a playthrough that none of the other dlcs did even putting aside the excellent bosses it has
Skill issue @@xSilentZeroXx
Games are in a weird space where the prerequisites to play something are always mired with options and/or restrictions so I can see the logic of letting DLC compete. It's possible Geoff and his team have not lost sight of how the controversary of such an act will no doubt stir up some media buzz (and evidently, it seems it has).
DARK SOULS 3 IS GOING TO GET HIS REVENGE FOR WHAT HAPPENED WITH BLOOD AND WINE IN 2016, LETS GOOOOOOOO