Integrate (sin^k( x) /(sin^k x + cos^k(x)] from 0 to half-pi

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  • This solution involed the use of what is commonly called the King's Property.

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  • @spottymaldoon
    @spottymaldoon День тому +2

    Masterfully presented without any pretense - allowing his quiet, dignified charisma to speak for itself. Few are lucky enough to get a teacher like this and how desperately they are needed. Especially in presenting math on this level and showing such intuitive reasoning and passion for the subject. When I had a go I ignored the fact that it's a definite integral and ended in a mess.

  • @CalculusIsFun1
    @CalculusIsFun1 2 дні тому +12

    I used kings rule and immediately got it in my head the moment I saw the thumbnail.

  • @dragonjiu9238
    @dragonjiu9238 Годину тому +1

    I Love your teaching style!

  • @kappasphere
    @kappasphere 2 дні тому +14

    Solution before watching:
    I = int_0^(π/2) sin^k x / (sin^k x + cos^k x) dx
    Substitute x -> π/2-x, swapping cos and sin:
    I = int_0^(π/2) cos^k x / (sin^k x + cos^k x) dx
    Adding both together gives
    2I = int_0^(π/2) (sin^k x + cos^k x) / (sin^k x + cos^k x) dx
    = int_0^(π/2) 1 dx
    = π/2
    Therefore, I = π/4

    • @sobolzeev
      @sobolzeev 2 дні тому +1

      @@kappasphere This is precisely what is done in the video.

  • @dozddell8950
    @dozddell8950 День тому +1

    never stop learning ! much love from Iran

  • @og5462
    @og5462 2 дні тому +4

    I dont know any of this it just came to my recomendations and acidently pressed😭

  • @artandata
    @artandata 2 дні тому +4

    the magic is done ! Again. Congrats & Standing Applause !

  • @מנחםמאיר-ט2כ
    @מנחםמאיר-ט2כ День тому +1

    You should do more videos about combinatorics , especially teach people about derangements!

  • @madhacharya819
    @madhacharya819 3 дні тому +4

    That is pretty neat, for someone who dont know that method can leverage the conditions
    Since the problem states for all integers k , we can try and replace k with -k, this should not change the solution since we get the answer in terms of -k if it shud depend on that, then
    I = (sinx)^-k/((sinx)^-k + (cosx)^-k) dx
    After simplication it reduces to
    I = (cosx)^k/((sinx)^k + (cosx)^k) dx
    Add both,
    2*I = 1 dx
    I = pi/4
    which is the same thing as the substitution method!

    • @sobolzeev
      @sobolzeev 3 дні тому +1

      Here you assume that I(k)=I(-k) so that their sum gives 2I. And why is it so?

  • @hurricane4912
    @hurricane4912 День тому +1

    I just divided the top and bottom by (cosx)^k and then used tan^2x + 1 = sec^2x to arrive at the integral of sin^2x from 0 to pi/2 and got the same answer. I am wondering if this is fine because at pi/2 cosx equals 0 so I probably should not be dividing by it, but on the other hand I get an integral in terms of sin which is clearly defined within the limits of the integral. Thank you for this video though.

  • @ralfbodemann1542
    @ralfbodemann1542 2 дні тому

    I like the way you explored special cases to come up with a hypothesis.
    Actually, the identity is true not just for all integers, but at least for all real numbers greater than or equal to one. The exponent doesn't matter.
    You can come up with even more pi/4-integrals by dividing top and bottom of the integrand by sin^k(x) or cos^k(x), respectively.

  • @Jagoalexander
    @Jagoalexander День тому

    Seen a question very similar to this during my Cambridge STEP preparation. The substitution of pi/2 -x is so useful for trig integrals

  • @Justalittleguy-hb4ei
    @Justalittleguy-hb4ei 2 дні тому +1

    Thank you, teacher!
    I will never stop learning.

  • @dronevluchten
    @dronevluchten 2 дні тому

    Is it possible to proof this, not by the mentioned trick (very nice by the way) but by investigating the graphics of the function?

  • @BartBuzz
    @BartBuzz 2 дні тому +1

    You have so many tricks up your sleeve!

  • @cret859
    @cret859 2 дні тому

    Nice ! I really didn't expect that the result is independent of integer k !
    But, really, have k to be an integer ? Could k be any real number ? Could k be any complex number or anything ?

  • @SamuelAjibade-ny3tu
    @SamuelAjibade-ny3tu 2 дні тому

    By the way, the trick is called the "king's property" or "king's rule"

  • @RyanLewis-Johnson-wq6xs
    @RyanLewis-Johnson-wq6xs 2 дні тому +2

    When k is an integer.

    • @sobolzeev
      @sobolzeev 2 дні тому

      @@RyanLewis-Johnson-wq6xs Never used, in fact. k can be any real number.

  • @hansulrichkeller6651
    @hansulrichkeller6651 3 дні тому

    Great! Enjoied your viedo very much! And a wonderful unexpected result!

  • @Lordversus44
    @Lordversus44 День тому

    Beautiful!! Greetings from Italy!!🎉🎉🎉

  • @maths01n
    @maths01n 3 дні тому

    Very relevant ❤ second to watch my fellow Mathematician ❤

  • @MugilanInbaselvan
    @MugilanInbaselvan 2 дні тому

    King's rule 💘

  • @nikhilprabhakar7116
    @nikhilprabhakar7116 3 дні тому

    This is very nice. Though, I think when k = 0 and x -> 0, (sin x)^k should be an interdeterminate form. So, do we still get 1 as the limit. I checked Wolfram Alpha and yes we did but I'm not sure why.
    PS: I'm not in touch with my Mathematical side so can't figure it out that easily myself.

    • @sobolzeev
      @sobolzeev 3 дні тому +1

      Very simple. For 0

  • @michaelstahl1515
    @michaelstahl1515 2 дні тому +1

    Great solution . Thanks !

  • @mihaipuiu6231
    @mihaipuiu6231 2 дні тому +1

    I told you , ...Newton, you...are very smart Teachers. Thanks!

  • @Yanis2022
    @Yanis2022 2 дні тому

    What is if k=1 it will the same answer pi/4 can you please give a hint

  • @SSRSSR2609
    @SSRSSR2609 2 дні тому +2

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  • @nanamacapagal8342
    @nanamacapagal8342 2 дні тому

    ATTEMPT:
    Tried, for sanity check, the k = 0, 1, and 2 cases. Every time I got back out pi/4.
    When I hit k = 3 I initially tried to do something recursive, expressing them in terms of previous integrals. But that wouldn't work because there's a nasty sum in the denominator.
    And then it hit me like a truck. King's property. Of course, how could I have missed it? It's so painfully obvious!
    With that, I now had 2I = the integral of 1 dx from 0 to pi / 2. Should be clear that I = pi / 4 for all integer cases of k (maybe even all real cases too if the integral doesn't diverge)

  • @butch2kow549
    @butch2kow549 2 дні тому

    Excellent video!

  • @tom-t4u5z
    @tom-t4u5z 2 дні тому

    Hats off to you! But still keep YOUR hat on 🙂

  • @j2stutu519
    @j2stutu519 2 дні тому

    Beautiful❤

  • @SoulBurner-tj8wd
    @SoulBurner-tj8wd 3 дні тому +1

    Spettacolo❤

  • @destruidor3003
    @destruidor3003 2 дні тому

    I do not fully agree with you because sin and cos can be zero so 0^0 is indeterminate….the first part of this problem is already inconsistent

  • @surendrakverma555
    @surendrakverma555 День тому

    Thanks Sir 👍

  • @pianissimo7121
    @pianissimo7121 2 дні тому

    I know the rule and have intuitive understanding.
    Will try to prove it by myself.

  • @benjamintroncoso8105
    @benjamintroncoso8105 2 дні тому

    very nice property

  • @PrianshuRai-kr5dp
    @PrianshuRai-kr5dp 18 годин тому

    Hello sir
    Can you solve this questions integrate (sin x + cos x)/(9 + 16sin 2x) dx from 0 to pi/4
    This type of questions asked my exam just few days l gave jee main exam these questions was asked

  • @holyshit922
    @holyshit922 3 дні тому +1

    I sent you proposition for video
    I gave you product and sum
    and I claim that for all natural n they are equal

    • @PrimeNewtons
      @PrimeNewtons  2 дні тому

      Thanks. I will look at it. I need to get a rhythm for now.

  • @annacerbara4257
    @annacerbara4257 2 дні тому

    Very interesting!

  • @obeyy0urmaster
    @obeyy0urmaster 2 дні тому

    Great great exercise, very interesting love you !!!

  • @MYeganeh100
    @MYeganeh100 2 дні тому

    🙏👏

  • @dan-florinchereches4892
    @dan-florinchereches4892 3 дні тому

    I looked at the problem for a bit and tought why not factor sin^k(x) so we get the integral of
    1/(1+ctg^2(x)) if u=ctg(x) then du=-(sin^2x+cos^2(x))/sin^2(x)dx
    du=-(1+u^2)dx becomes
    -1/(1+u^k)*1/(1+u^2)
    I think for small values of k we can solve the integral easily and try mathematical induction later

  • @ruud9767
    @ruud9767 3 дні тому

    That's really nice!

  • @badremoussiad4
    @badremoussiad4 2 дні тому +1

    bro you are the best

  • @thomazsoares1316
    @thomazsoares1316 21 годину тому

    Make a video showing all integers solutions for n which (3n+16) / (4-n) = k² | k € Q
    I made this question by myself and the solutions for n are n = -5, -3, 0, 3
    I even put the equation on a C compiler and these are the solutions fr

  • @RyanLewis-Johnson-wq6xs
    @RyanLewis-Johnson-wq6xs 2 дні тому +1

    Integrate[((Sin[x])^k)/((Sin[x])^k+(Cos[x])^k),{x,0,π/2}]=π/4

    • @sobolzeev
      @sobolzeev 2 дні тому

      @@RyanLewis-Johnson-wq6xs And where is the calculation?

  • @CM63_France
    @CM63_France День тому

    Ok, cool!

  • @kamalisathish7347
    @kamalisathish7347 3 дні тому

    Nice

  • @shomshay
    @shomshay 3 дні тому

    Yes but when do i use them in real life rather than in abstract math?

    • @sobolzeev
      @sobolzeev 2 дні тому

      @@shomshay Abstract Maths is a part of a real life. Such formulas appear in fluid dynamics, for instance.

  • @emixullo1749
    @emixullo1749 2 дні тому

    best

  • @dominiquecolin4716
    @dominiquecolin4716 2 дні тому

    nice

  • @dontmindmeimjustchilling
    @dontmindmeimjustchilling 3 дні тому

    No, i wont! lmaooo jk jk great video!!

  • @somapatra5560
    @somapatra5560 3 дні тому

    Already knew it before seeing the video