I used to use an engraver like that when I was a kid 50 years ago at my father's company. They engraved the front panels of the electronic devises they built. I still have the name plate I made on the machine. Brings back great memories of going to work with my dad some Saturdays.
I loved your video - it brings back fond memories of when I operated a Gorton P1-2 at HTS Corp (a small machine shop in Van Nuys, CA) from 1972 to 1974. The shop primarily made stamps for tool companies - Stanley, Craftsman, Proto, Vise-Grip, to name a few. The stamps were used in the manufacture of their tools and you can see them stamped into the steel or plastic handles. The stamps were made of tool steel or carbide and were "burned" into the steel using a shaped electrode in an Electrical Discharge Machine (EDM). The shaped electrode was typically graphite. This is where the P1-2 came into play. The operator would set up the machine with the text/graphic in positive on the upper tray. The reduction to the positive would be determined and the arms would be adjusted to obtain the ratio. A cutter would be selected for the appropriate angle to achieve the desired shape of the end result on the stamp. The depth of cut would be determined based on the loss of rate of electrode vs stamp material. An electrode would be selected and surface cleaned in a lathe. It would them be mounted on the work area. Centers would be zeroed ( upper to lower ). Depth of cut set and then cut each letter/detail into the electrode. The complete electrode would be checked for completeness and then mounted into the EDM. The EDM used ELOX liquid to cool, clean, and transmit the electrical discharge that would eat away the stamp material in closest proximity to the electrode. A typical stamp in tool steel of about 1 square inch could be completed in the EDM in about 30 minutes.
I just bought a Gorton P1-2 machine in very good condition for $1500. It will cost and additional $450 to have it shipped 1250 miles to my shop in a liftgate truck. Can't wait to get it and set it up! I used to use this exact machine in a previous workshop to make all sorts of inlay work for the acoustic guitars I build. That machine was owned by my shop partner at the time, and in the eight years I did not have a Gorton P1-2 to play with, I really missed it. We made all our positive and negative templates out of 3mm Sintra board, and were able to pull off some amazingly intricate inlay designs with perfect precision. We used mostly tiny .030" and .025 carbide end mill cutters, on wood, shell, acrylic, and other materials. The things you can do with a P1-2 are limited only by (1.) your work ethic; and (2.) your imagination.
thank you for this,I lucked into a George Gorton no 1. pantograph. 1917 vintage in remarkable shape, but could find no videos out there except my buddy stephan with his Deckel. gave me some insight to how things are done.
GW..I agree...Carl is such a wealth of talent and knowledge....after I met him I dubbed him with the name Mr. Wizard, this was before I met Tom Lipton ...another wizard...lolThanks for watchingChuck
Not2Thanks for watching and just as you mentioned for yourself, I learned about the machine also and got to spend time with my buddy Carl....talk about FUN!Chuck
Hi ColinThanks for watching and you are correct, as he demonstrated I had lots of questions of other uses/ideas that the machine could do in building 1/1 replicate parts....Chuck
Thanks for the video.I just purchased a Gorton P1-2 Pantograph to use in my billiard table repair business.A good friend of mine uses this machine to inlay diamond sights into the rails.They always come out perfect.I haven't used my machine yet but am looking forward to making my job easier.Your video was very helpful. If you could do others they would be well received. Thanks. Kent
Hey Chuck, Very interesting video! I wish I had one of those engravers. I can think of all kinds of uses for it including making signage as a business. The engraver is an excellent way of showing how geometry and levers work . . . you can reduce or amplify one motion to another. If your friend ever gets tired of his machine, I know someone that would give it a good home . . . ME! Thanks for sharing, Chuck! Regards, Dave
Hi BobI tried burning a CD of my buddy's tracks...problems which I think are operator error....I will try again and if I can do it I will contact you to send you a copy.....if I do, you will still have to watch my channel....LOLChuck
Cool Machine & Nice Video. Thank You! Chuck needs to find you a Deckel SO (single lip) cutter. Make a "D" single edge cutter and you'll get a very nice edge on the Gravograph. Tom
Deckel SO is great, if you find one cheap at auction. It is a single flute cutter, very limited use for engraving. People pay way too much, then realized "I can not use this... " and resell to the next sucker, uh uniformed buyer. $1000 for a clean one with collets is a good price, possible at auction. eBay prices are insane.
Very nice and informative! please do visit carl more often! Regards, Lauritz Ps. in another video you showed knobs that could be put on hex socket screws rahter than makeing your own screws with a knob. What video was that ? Whats the name of that stuff. Thanks!
Lauritz Shear-Loc is the product line, they do have a website, just got a new catalog from Essentra (was Reid supply) and they have a product in the catalog. Quickie 8 is where I showed the product. I think I have given Carl the bug to make more videos, he is a wealth of knowledge and talent along with just being one heck of a nice man. Thanks for watchingChuck
Do you have any feedback on the two holes in the arm for styli? Is the inner one a different ratio? I would assume you set 3:1 on both bars but the position of the tracing has to matter correct?
Parallelogram Reduction Mechanism....? Used For The Ratio... I just Purchased a Hermes EngravoGraph GTX-A-66685 Super... Any recommendations for books to learn how to use it? I also need parts... The only Service Company I found was in GA, Any Other Contacts Available?
It would be a simple enough job to fabricate three clamps out of hard wood to replace the existing metal ones. This would prevent any damage to the bit if it touches a clamp accidentally. Maybe the subject of a short video? Thanks
I used to use an engraver like that when I was a kid 50 years ago at my father's company. They engraved the front panels of the electronic devises they built. I still have the name plate I made on the machine. Brings back great memories of going to work with my dad some Saturdays.
Hello Kurt,Cool story, thanks for sharing and watchingChuck
I loved your video - it brings back fond memories of when I operated a Gorton P1-2 at HTS Corp (a small machine shop in Van Nuys, CA) from 1972 to 1974. The shop primarily made stamps for tool companies - Stanley, Craftsman, Proto, Vise-Grip, to name a few. The stamps were used in the manufacture of their tools and you can see them stamped into the steel or plastic handles. The stamps were made of tool steel or carbide and were "burned" into the steel using a shaped electrode in an Electrical Discharge Machine (EDM). The shaped electrode was typically graphite. This is where the P1-2 came into play. The operator would set up the machine with the text/graphic in positive on the upper tray. The reduction to the positive would be determined and the arms would be adjusted to obtain the ratio. A cutter would be selected for the appropriate angle to achieve the desired shape of the end result on the stamp. The depth of cut would be determined based on the loss of rate of electrode vs stamp material. An electrode would be selected and surface cleaned in a lathe. It would them be mounted on the work area. Centers would be zeroed ( upper to lower ). Depth of cut set and then cut each letter/detail into the electrode. The complete electrode would be checked for completeness and then mounted into the EDM. The EDM used ELOX liquid to cool, clean, and transmit the electrical discharge that would eat away the stamp material in closest proximity to the electrode. A typical stamp in tool steel of about 1 square inch could be completed in the EDM in about 30 minutes.
Bob Hermann Hello Bob, glad you enjoyed and thank you for the informational comment
I enjoyed that Chuck! Thanks for sharing with us! Cool machine!
Hey AdamThank you and glad you enjoyedChuck
I just bought a Gorton P1-2 machine in very good condition for $1500. It will cost and additional $450 to have it shipped 1250 miles to my shop in a liftgate truck. Can't wait to get it and set it up! I used to use this exact machine in a previous workshop to make all sorts of inlay work for the acoustic guitars I build. That machine was owned by my shop partner at the time, and in the eight years I did not have a Gorton P1-2 to play with, I really missed it.
We made all our positive and negative templates out of 3mm Sintra board, and were able to pull off some amazingly intricate inlay designs with perfect precision. We used mostly tiny .030" and .025 carbide end mill cutters, on wood, shell, acrylic, and other materials. The things you can do with a P1-2 are limited only by (1.) your work ethic; and (2.) your imagination.
thank you for this,I lucked into a George Gorton no 1. pantograph. 1917 vintage in remarkable shape, but could find no videos out there except my buddy stephan with his Deckel. gave me some insight to how things are done.
Nice video Chuck. Carl does an excellent job showing and explaining how it all works.
GW..I agree...Carl is such a wealth of talent and knowledge....after I met him I dubbed him with the name Mr. Wizard, this was before I met Tom Lipton ...another wizard...lolThanks for watchingChuck
Thank You for making the video on how this is done ..It was Fun and I also learned something new
Not2Thanks for watching and just as you mentioned for yourself, I learned about the machine also and got to spend time with my buddy Carl....talk about FUN!Chuck
That is a really great machine! A very nicely put together video, thank you.
Hey DuncanThanks for watching and I am happy you enjoyedChuck
Cool machine...cool video. I bet that is a lot of fun to get creative with.
Thanks Chuck
Colin
Hi ColinThanks for watching and you are correct, as he demonstrated I had lots of questions of other uses/ideas that the machine could do in building 1/1 replicate parts....Chuck
That is a really neat machine!! Cool to see it in action.
bcb...Thanks, it was fun to be there, I had lots of questions off camera!Chuck
Thanks for the video.I just purchased a Gorton P1-2 Pantograph to use in my billiard table repair business.A good friend of mine uses this machine to inlay diamond sights into the rails.They always come out perfect.I haven't used my machine yet but am looking forward to making my job easier.Your video was very helpful. If you could do others they would be well received. Thanks. Kent
Aaron Mason Hello Aaron, good luck with the machine, my wife and I play pool in a business league every Monday night...
Brilliant demonstration and explanation of the process, well done.
DanThank you for the comment and watchingChuck
Hey Chuck,
Very interesting video! I wish I had one of those engravers. I can think of all kinds of uses for it including making signage as a business. The engraver is an excellent way of showing how geometry and levers work . . . you can reduce or amplify one motion to another. If your friend ever gets tired of his machine, I know someone that would give it a good home . . . ME! Thanks for sharing, Chuck!
Regards,
Dave
Hi Dave,Thanks for watching and you comment and I agree the machine is just too coolChuck
Thanks very much. I had never seen one of those in operation. Really interesting.
AD4... Glad you enjoyed and I like you had never seen on either...I had lots of questions that were not on camera. Chuck
Very informative thanks for posting Chuck.
glad you enjoyed
thanks to you and carl for a well laid out how too video :)
h5...Thank you for the appreciative commentChuck
Great video, have you thought about removing the table and having it precision ground to get rid of the previous owners goofs?
Excellent teaching video on a really neat machine! Thanks so much! :o)
O,
Hello OThanks for watching glad you enjoyedChuck
Best music on UA-cam!
Hi BobI tried burning a CD of my buddy's tracks...problems which I think are operator error....I will try again and if I can do it I will contact you to send you a copy.....if I do, you will still have to watch my channel....LOLChuck
Great Video.
I use the machine at 20x and 30x reductions for engraving very small dies for jewelry, etc.
thanks for the video, nice music too.
Krazz...Thank you for watching and enjoying, glad you like the music, it is my buddy's bandChuck
cool, good music,
Sorry... Thank You For The Instruction... Very Well Explained!!!
+Brian LeGrand Thanks for viewing...good luck with your new machine
+outsidescrewball Any Ideas On My Below Post???
Great video, however I was always taught to keep my left hand on the depth adjuster to steady and control the cut
Cool Machine & Nice Video. Thank You! Chuck needs to find you a Deckel SO (single lip) cutter. Make a "D" single edge cutter and you'll get a very nice edge on the Gravograph.
Tom
Hi Tom..I will do some research on the Deckel SO...thanksChuck
Deckel SO is great, if you find one cheap at auction. It is a single flute cutter, very limited use for engraving. People pay way too much, then realized "I can not use this... " and resell to the next sucker, uh uniformed buyer. $1000 for a clean one with collets is a good price, possible at auction. eBay prices are insane.
Very nice and informative! please do visit carl more often!
Regards, Lauritz
Ps. in another video you showed knobs that could be put on hex socket screws rahter than makeing your own screws with a knob. What video was that ? Whats the name of that stuff. Thanks!
Google "Acetal resin knurled knob". Locally Fastenal carries them (1/4 socket hex head -- Fastenal Part No. (SKU): 11102940).
Lauritz Shear-Loc is the product line, they do have a website, just got a new catalog from Essentra (was Reid supply) and they have a product in the catalog. Quickie 8 is where I showed the product. I think I have given Carl the bug to make more videos, he is a wealth of knowledge and talent along with just being one heck of a nice man. Thanks for watchingChuck
thanks for the video. I am actively looking for a GORTON engraving pantograph machine.
Do you have any feedback on the two holes in the arm for styli? Is the inner one a different ratio? I would assume you set 3:1 on both bars but the position of the tracing has to matter correct?
Chuck . . . As an after thought . . . I trust that the engraver wasn't made by the "Gorton Fisherman" lol!
Dave
DaveHad to google that one....lolChuck
I used to use one of these years ago and still own it. Unfortunately it is now sitting unused as everything has been replaced by computer engravers.
Amazing.
Hello Jester,Glad you enjoyed, thank youChuck
Parallelogram Reduction Mechanism....? Used For The Ratio... I just Purchased a Hermes EngravoGraph GTX-A-66685 Super... Any recommendations for books to learn how to use it? I also need parts... The only Service Company I found was in GA, Any Other Contacts Available?
C & C Videos
Minuscule Sizing
Great machining!
ArkansasThanks for watchingChuck
It would be a simple enough job to fabricate three clamps out of hard wood to replace the existing metal ones. This would prevent any damage to the bit if it touches a clamp accidentally. Maybe the subject of a short video? Thanks
Hi Will,Interesting enough, Carl uses wood on many of him build/mockups, I will mention to him.ThanksChuck
what happened with gorton company -- who did they merge with?
meocats.... good question, but I have no idea...suggest a google search Thanks for watchingChuck
WOW Cool Machine. You may have to have that table ground....shame the previous owner was a dufus.Y
Phoo...Glad you enjoyed the videoChuck
Is it possible to have that table surfaced like an engine cylinder head? Check out Costa Mesa R&D with John Edwards, AKA Flatunus, here in You Tube.
Bob Smith Hello Bob, the answer to your question is yes, just search you area for grinding shops
GoodVideo
Hi Pancho...thank you for the nod...Chuck
Are these capable of copying in 3d?
there are units that are 3d, thanks for viewing
@@outsidescrewball but they're specific units? Not all are capable?
find someone with a metal shaper and make your worktable look like new.