I've used both, and both are good beginners watercolour paints. In fact, I started with that same 15 colour VG palette, it's a great starter set. Almost 3 years later, I'm still using that palette, but I have filled the pans with a mixture of Daniel Smith and Winsor & Newton Paints, as well as keeping a couple of my Van Gogh favorites. Van Gogh are cheaper, but generally have a lower intensity of pigment (I imagine it's mixed with other components). White Nights, or even other paints from Nevskaya, are generally more intense in comparison. They do have some odd sized pans compared to the standard sizes. The opacity of some of the paints can be a good thing, especially if you like paintings with intense colours. However, if you prefer more transparency, then you might have to water down the mix quite a lot. However, after a year or so of Van Gogh, Nevskaya St. Petersburg and Karuteke (another odd pan size supplier), I eventually started opting for more expensive paints: Winsor & Newton, Schmincke and Daniel Smith. The extra money was worth the improvement in paint quality. You probably don't need so many different paints, as I found out from experience that better quality paints can be mixed to produce a vibrant and interesting range of tones without the need to buy so many different colours. If you are not sure, just buy the 3 primaries in a high quality paint and experiment with them, you'll soon discover a whole new world of colours that you can mix to suit your painting. For convenience you might need a few other paints to cover frequently used greens, earths and neutrals, as it will save time mixing and perhaps not always achieving the tone you are looking for. Having said all that, you can still produce lovely paintings with Van Gogh or White Nights paints, especially if you have good quality watercolour paper. In fact, I would say the paper quality is more important to getting a good experience with watercolours than the quality of the paint itself. Tip: to spice up whatever paints you have, I would recommend occasional use of granulation medium (perhaps mixed with water first) to experiment more. Obviously, this might depend on what type of painting style you prefer, but as beginners we often don't know what our style is, so trying different techniques and styles of painting can help us gradually find our own way of painting that gives us enjoyment and fun no matter what the result might turn out to be - eventually, sporadically at first, you'll produce a stunner!
So I have just started with my watercolor draining and I have nowhere to turn for help I don't know what kind of paint to get at all I have k u r t a k e and Mozart when's your Newton Dale rowney I'm looking for a paint that has good I'm about to buy the White Knight set if I can get it but if you had to pick a really good paint what would it be and why do they have pastels do they have regular colors do they have granulating colors I'm looking for something that has something on one but I don't think I'm going to find that help me please
@@nikolepape2594 White Nights are good watercolour paints that are not too expensive. I assume you're thinking of buying a set of pans (godets) in a palette. You'll probably need to spray a little bit of water on them before using them, to avoid scrubbing with a paintbrush. The colours are often quite intense pigment and many are opaque or semi-opaque, so you'll have to use them carefully if you want a more transparent effect. You can have lots of fun with them. They recently brought out a small range of granulated paints, which are also fun to use as they can give surprising effects and textures. For better quality, but more expensive, I would recommend Winsor & Newton Professional Series or Daniel Smith. But if you're just beginning your watercolour journey, then a good set by White Nights will be a great place to start. It depends a bit on what type of painting you would like to do. For example, for landscape paintings with less fine details, then you can produce enjoyable paintings with Winsor & Newton Cotman student grade tube paints. You get a lot of paint in a 21ml tube and they are not expensive. That way you don't have to worry much about wasting paint on the beginning. I would also advise not to get a large set. 12 of 15 colours is plenty, because learning and practising to mix your own colours is an important skill. You can also save yourself a lot of money by buying way to many different paints like I did 🙊
Hmm, This is an interesting comparison that shows quality and price is not always what matters in paintings. This White Nights set is mainly made of expensive cadmium pigments (cad red and cad lemon) that are opaque and heavy by nature plus expensive. Cheaper VanGoh pigments would be more transparent, with synthetic Hansa pigments and alazarin crimpson (I guess) having super fine dispersion and all. Would have been interesting to see how same pigments from two companies compair to be fair. I think the only common pigments in two sets would be ultramarine Pb29 and phalo green pg7.
Van gogh not use real alizaring crimson (you typed alazaring crimpson) pigment at all. and indeed more fair comparison with same pigments. saddly White Nights not have many modern available. and aso Van Gogh no Cadmiums and Cobalts or natural earths and some old classics. i mean old classics in Russian watercolour.(and maybe somewhere else as well in years ago). and even pb29 have few versions i currently have few different ones and very soon more...
@@kunaljanvalkar2850 In Russia, the Pinax brand Extra single-pigment series is no less popular among artists. The price within the country is about the same, but there are rare expensive pigments like pottery pink, green perylene, a lot of cobalts and quinacridones.
Hi! It's a nice comparison with the two brands. The inconsistency in flow you mention in the video for the White Nights comes from the Cadmium pigments (Yellow, Red) that flow less, because Cadmiums usually don't flow as well as some other pigments. But that can genuinely happen in every brand, because dispersion is influenced by the binder/ox gall and the pigment itself, so there is no consistent dispersion within any brand. That is also what makes comparison difficult at times. Nevertheless it's worthy to see if a set is an upgrade and worth trying. :) Thank you for the video!
I like them both. I started with van gogh and use them in my portable painter even though I now have over a hundred daniel smith colors. I also have every color of white nights besides a couple metallic. They are really good paints.
Such an in depth comparison! I just ordered the van gogh set but I also really like how the White Nights disperse in water (except for the greens). It was really cool to see your own way of testing the paints and I didn't expect the White Nights to not mix and blend out that well despite performing better in the dispersion test!
Thank you! Both are great quality no doubt but i felt Vangogh behaves more mature than White Nights. The color palette is more subtle than wn..and for the mixing part it depends on how we do it.
I have used White Nights paints for years, in large and small projects, most of which are hanging around my home. So far the pictures are as vibrant today as they were when I first painted them. I have had issues with some Kuretaki Japanese paints, mostly the pinks and in only 11 months. Great video comparison. Great music, thenk you.
Great review! I haven’t seen anyone put watercolour through it’s paces quite like this. I learned so much. I would definitely go for Van Gogh based on the transparency and the test you did that will tell you all you need to know! Thanks… oh and the music was a really nice touch, really went well with the painting.
@@niazhannanwatercolors Actually, seeing you do this entire review without changing your water now saves me from at least 3 runs to the faucet per painting! Thanks!👍
I love your videos. The reviews are so thorough that the results are hard to dispute and make it easier for a novice like me to understand what the differences are. Thanks for another great video! Also, I have WN and just ordered VG to try. Looking forward to them arriving!
I am a beginner and honestly I am struggling with Van Gogh. It is not flowy and gets muddy easyly to a point of no return.. Can't say I am enjoying to work with it.. My first experience with watercolors was 20 years ago with a small Rembrat set which wasn't mine.. So maybe I was scarred for life that my first experience was with the very best and student grade paints can't replicate that😂😂😂 I also have a Daler Rowney aquafine set which I don't know if student grade or not which I like better. Softer and easier to grab for sure... I also have a sonnet set from st. Petersburg which is the student version of White Nights. I didn't have much chance to play with them. Honestly it was so cheap that I only bought them for the metal case that it came in. After trying them, I can say they are very creamy and easy to pick up and very vibrant almost explosive, on the down side can be sticky and opaque from time to time, which is I guess consistant with White Nights series. Of all the three, I find myself reaching out to aquafine more even though t is my smallest palette. Sorry to take so long, I hope this helps someone🌸
6 out of 15 in the set of VG are consist of double pigments, they are more problematic to mix and get mudy. White Nights already provides the right colours for a good start in the set. There are three cadmium colors in the set, Van Gogh has none. Van Gogh has great colours in the tubes, but try to choose single pigment colors out of their selection.
You could also try different qualities of paper. Possibly, the struggle you experienced with the VG was related to the paper. They say the quality of the paper matters more than that of the paint.
@@JannekeVisser-h8c I found out that the set I had mostly consists of multiple pigmet colors which gave me problems when I tried mixes. Their single pigment colors are much easier to mix and have good results. As paper I have canson cold pressed which I think is ok.
I have both. The $$ White Nights wins for me because it's based on full pans, not half-pans like the van gogh. If you double the price of the van gogh and then compare...you see it's more expensive. Apparently that didn't matter to me because again, I now have both...lol. I like the variety of the White Nights better as far as characteristics of pigments have to be taken into account for when you paint where van gogh seems to be more consistent across the board, which is kinda boring...when you're playing around with color, but okay when you're learning to paint something. For whatever reasons, White Nights seemed like cleaner color...not only vibrancy wise, but also...glow-wise. I like the unpredictability of some colors...especially when painting clouds, water, atmosphere...and van gogh for land features. This was a pretty good video, very entertaining.
1 цвет белых ночей меньше чем обычный Fullpan. У Белых ночей много недолива и пузырьков, поэтому здесь не особо уместно говорить о размере. Ван Гог гораздо лучше в смесях, лучше накладывается на бумагу, но имеет мутный наполнитель.
I love both of them. Some Shades of WN are better than VG and some VG better than WN. I can’t decide which one I prefer more. My favourite watercolours are Schmincke. They are so vibrant and transparent, and pigmentation is stunning 🤩
@@LisaZoe86 Schmincke Horadam but I have now switched to Rembrant and I can say that they suit me better and are even better than Schmincke Horadam, only Rembrant makes 20ml paints, and they are very expensive and I am definitely not going back to Schmincke anymore
@@niazhannanwatercolors It's not bad at all, behaves great on the paper, and very well pigmented. Being student grade you won't find the more expensivecpigments in the set, and some (orange and purple) are quite fugative. It's the set I started out with and I am slowly supplementing it with artist grafe paints.
@@bobcat1097 А ты Соннет хоть раз в работе пробовал? Для краски без гуммиарабика это очень крутой бренд. Прямо вот самый лучший из всех, что можно сделать на краске без гуммиарабика. Прозрачно, ярко. Нет трудноуправляемых спецэффектов вроде грануляции или внезапной сверхтекучести как у диоксазина фиолетового. Хороший набор для новичков и студентов: очень управляемый, очень яркий, прозрачный и дешевый.
@@endless_art Пробовал, конечно и был неприятно удивлён тем фактом, что он ложится сгустками как раз из-за связующего не гуммиарабика и даёт грязь по сравнению с проф. брендом. Как по мне, лучше не размениваться на него, а сразу купить что-то уровнем выше (например сразу пинакс Экстра, пусть три цвета, но всё же) и работать нормально, а не платить за вот эти вот 24 цветов, которые можно во-первых, намешать, а во-вторых, половина из которых имеют светостойкость 2 звезды. Ключевое слово, на которое все ведутся "дешёвый".
When you said , ‘ holy shit, did you see that. It just exploded’ . That was exactly how I felt when you started with the dispersion test for white nights
2022, mirando revisiones de acuarelas porque voy a comprar un set, en mi país hay distribuidores de estas 2 marcas, ;pero las Van Gogh están al doble de las White Nights, estoy sorprendida.
Definitely subd this is the 1st video of yours I watched. Awesome comparison and hope there are more of ypur videos like this if not I'd definitely enjoy them if you make them. Have a great day
Okay, Vincent van Gogh paints are student grade, while White Nights are considered artist professional grade. So, what is the difference? One of the differences when it comes to quality paints is having more color pigments than cheaper ones. I don't know about other brands when it comes to performance but if you want your White Nights to act like "Van Goghs" then you should use less paint. This is why it "exploded" in your cases.
One thing to have in mind when comparing watercolours like these is that the two brands use different pigments and that has an effect on how they behave. White Nights use cadmium pigments for 2 or 3 of the colours and they are opaque. That says nothing about the brand in general. Talens Van Gogh do not contain cadmium as they are student grade.
Van Gogh are not considered student grade. They are considered artist grade. Rembrandt is still their professional line but Van Gogh is still considered Artist Grade
Fookin...is that the scientific nomenclature? Enjoyed the comparison. Informative and yet informal. Add the background music was phenomenal, it made for a splendid video! Thank you for sharing this!!! Now I'm going to have to see if I can binge watch any more videos of yours...
Great comparison! 👍 I have and use them both interchangeably. And also Rosa Gallery, they are my favourite so far. But is it completely fair to compare "professional" grade WN with "student" VG? 🤔
@@Charlotte-sq8cq Oh dear..i do my homework before i post a video. Both these names are from the same brand Royal Talens (Netherlands). Why i considered comparing Vangogh and white nights? Its because they cost almost the same. Vangogh is way better than a cheap students grade set. I mean how can a an artist grade cost lesser than an student grade? 😄 I really don't care about what people call them 'artist' or 'student' its about Usability. How well you can control the flow of watercolor and tell your story conveying the same feeling that inspired you to paint that piece.
I prefer Van Gogh, they are very fragmented and semi-dry unlike WN, in a tube they can last much longer than WN and a lot depends on the technique, after all there are very small differences but I prefer VG, yellow ocher in WN is desperate, secondly VG just needs to literally touch the cube and the brush pulls much more paint than WN and what would be said if someone does not have a painting spirit in their hands will not help even the best paint in the world (if you can say so) Schmincke, give VG in the hands of Djukaric and he will paint a masterpiece, give it to the amateur Schmincke and he will paint NOTHING. At that price, maybe a little more should be taken professional Koh I Noor, perfect colors side by side with Rembrandt for a little more price than VG or WN, watercolor is a "game" of strategy, technique, skills, and pre-created image in the head, small details are gems in watercolor and the most important thing is to learn to control water and to bring chance to your advantage, when this is achieved you become a watercolor master, it sounds easy but it takes many years (only if someone is ultra talented and catches it much earlier), but to put an end to VG, you need to practice and experiment with these colors for at least a year to start painting and your VG colors are very different from VG made in the Netherlands or Germany (Royal Talens sold to Germans, VG and Rembr, the difference is huge compared to those coming from China.
wn is in light ochre case natural earth and its terrible unlike some other natural earths by other companies. same for other theri natural earths is terrible.
Now that the Van Gogh set is available for ₹1300/-, no other student grade set stands a chance. One notable exception is HIMI premier watercolor set which comes in a white metal palette of 24 colours (not their solid colour set but one that looks similar to Brustro or Mungyo's metal box). In my experience, it is far superior to Myngyo, Cotman to some extent, Van Gogh.
In White Nights, 1 red and 2 yellow pigments are cadmiums, which are very dense, very bright, granular and very expensive in other brands. They included cadmium in this set because at the time the composition of the set was approved more than 50 years ago, equally bright, light-resistant but transparent yellow and red did not exist. It is normal for cadmium to behave so opaquely, granulate and not budge. This does not mean that the paint is bad, it means that you do not know how to use this particular set. You need simpler kits with transparent and cheaper pigments.
This White Nights set is not a fair comparison, as it is a very old design and composition. The palette design is old and the pains are their older releases. White Nights released a few speciality sets like Botanical, Plein Air and Granulating. I own the Botanical one, it has many of their newer colours and 11 out of 12 are single pigments. Also has a pop out palette like Van Gogh.
You wouldn't happen to have a comparison between the Van Gogh and the W&N Cotman, would you? I'm currently looking for a set for urban sketching and found the Cotman Watercolour Set (20x5ml tubes) selling for 25€, while this Van Gogh set (15 colors) is selling for 21€ and the VG Watercolour Set (10 x 10 ml tubes) goes up to 31€. I was inclined to get the W&N Cotman since it has more colors, but I'm seeing so many people hating on Cotman and/or loving Van Gogh that is making me hesitant. Any advice/suggestions?
@@izzyg8316 They just don’t want to activate and creating a big wash is irritating. On the other the Professional WN is a different story they are amazing
While hue comparison can be helpful, it doesn't tell you much about the overall paint behaviour which can vary greatly depending on the pigment used. Plus you compared VG. Burnt Sienna with a WN. Yellow Ochre which are nowhere near to each other in terms of hue. Same goes for White Nights Green vs VG. Sap Green.
Las van Gogh hace años costaban la mitad de precio a lo que lo venden ahora, al menos la caja de 12, ahora compro por pastillas los colores que quiero, tanto de esa como de rembrandt
VG is not cheap coming from the Netherlands at all, and the Chinese one is 30% cheaper and much less high quality, I have a set of 18 pans and a Chinese white in a 10ml tube, dark gray 10 ml in a tube and costs 90e
На самом деле, не корректно сравнивать кадмии и то что есть в Вангоге. Я имею в виду, повторите этот тест с кадмием вангога (если таковой есть, я не уверенна, что у них есть вне рембранта не имитация) и аналогичными пигментами и оцените результат.
Don't use colours with honey straight from the pan, they can't flow that way. Pre-mix both colours with water and then compare the pigmentation and flow behaviour. White nights has three cadmium colors in the set, Van Gogh has none. White Nights has mostly single pigment colors, Van Gogh uses cheaper pigments and 6 out of 15 are consist of double pigments, they are more problematic to mix. I like Van Gogh from the tubes, but you have to choose to buy the single pigment colours. White Nights already provides the right colours for a good start in the set.
Van Gogh is lightfast across the entire line. White Nights is unfortunately not, in fact many of their paints labelled as lightfast are fugitive including including the new orange, and most of the pastels. They used to be even worse... so maybe one day they will take permanence seriously and fix the issues.
@@buseerkiraz8071 For me its available usability and i consider VG over WN..and when i do bigger pieces that i want to last i will never use DS, Schmincke etc
I've used both, and both are good beginners watercolour paints. In fact, I started with that same 15 colour VG palette, it's a great starter set. Almost 3 years later, I'm still using that palette, but I have filled the pans with a mixture of Daniel Smith and Winsor & Newton Paints, as well as keeping a couple of my Van Gogh favorites.
Van Gogh are cheaper, but generally have a lower intensity of pigment (I imagine it's mixed with other components).
White Nights, or even other paints from Nevskaya, are generally more intense in comparison. They do have some odd sized pans compared to the standard sizes. The opacity of some of the paints can be a good thing, especially if you like paintings with intense colours. However, if you prefer more transparency, then you might have to water down the mix quite a lot.
However, after a year or so of Van Gogh, Nevskaya St. Petersburg and Karuteke (another odd pan size supplier), I eventually started opting for more expensive paints: Winsor & Newton, Schmincke and Daniel Smith. The extra money was worth the improvement in paint quality.
You probably don't need so many different paints, as I found out from experience that better quality paints can be mixed to produce a vibrant and interesting range of tones without the need to buy so many different colours. If you are not sure, just buy the 3 primaries in a high quality paint and experiment with them, you'll soon discover a whole new world of colours that you can mix to suit your painting. For convenience you might need a few other paints to cover frequently used greens, earths and neutrals, as it will save time mixing and perhaps not always achieving the tone you are looking for.
Having said all that, you can still produce lovely paintings with Van Gogh or White Nights paints, especially if you have good quality watercolour paper. In fact, I would say the paper quality is more important to getting a good experience with watercolours than the quality of the paint itself.
Tip: to spice up whatever paints you have, I would recommend occasional use of granulation medium (perhaps mixed with water first) to experiment more. Obviously, this might depend on what type of painting style you prefer, but as beginners we often don't know what our style is, so trying different techniques and styles of painting can help us gradually find our own way of painting that gives us enjoyment and fun no matter what the result might turn out to be - eventually, sporadically at first, you'll produce a stunner!
So I have just started with my watercolor draining and I have nowhere to turn for help I don't know what kind of paint to get at all I have k u r t a k e and Mozart when's your Newton Dale rowney I'm looking for a paint that has good I'm about to buy the White Knight set if I can get it but if you had to pick a really good paint what would it be and why do they have pastels do they have regular colors do they have granulating colors I'm looking for something that has something on one but I don't think I'm going to find that help me please
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@@nikolepape2594 White Nights are good watercolour paints that are not too expensive. I assume you're thinking of buying a set of pans (godets) in a palette. You'll probably need to spray a little bit of water on them before using them, to avoid scrubbing with a paintbrush. The colours are often quite intense pigment and many are opaque or semi-opaque, so you'll have to use them carefully if you want a more transparent effect. You can have lots of fun with them. They recently brought out a small range of granulated paints, which are also fun to use as they can give surprising effects and textures.
For better quality, but more expensive, I would recommend Winsor & Newton Professional Series or Daniel Smith. But if you're just beginning your watercolour journey, then a good set by White Nights will be a great place to start. It depends a bit on what type of painting you would like to do. For example, for landscape paintings with less fine details, then you can produce enjoyable paintings with Winsor & Newton Cotman student grade tube paints. You get a lot of paint in a 21ml tube and they are not expensive. That way you don't have to worry much about wasting paint on the beginning.
I would also advise not to get a large set. 12 of 15 colours is plenty, because learning and practising to mix your own colours is an important skill. You can also save yourself a lot of money by buying way to many different paints like I did 🙊
Yeah, the WN pans are also twice as big as the VG pans.
Hmm, This is an interesting comparison that shows quality and price is not always what matters in paintings. This White Nights set is mainly made of expensive cadmium pigments (cad red and cad lemon) that are opaque and heavy by nature plus expensive. Cheaper VanGoh pigments would be more transparent, with synthetic Hansa pigments and alazarin crimpson (I guess) having super fine dispersion and all. Would have been interesting to see how same pigments from two companies compair to be fair. I think the only common pigments in two sets would be ultramarine Pb29 and phalo green pg7.
Great to know that..really appreciate the information thanks😇
Van gogh not use real alizaring crimson (you typed alazaring crimpson) pigment at all. and indeed more fair comparison with same pigments. saddly White Nights not have many modern available. and aso Van Gogh no Cadmiums and Cobalts or natural earths and some old classics. i mean old classics in Russian watercolour.(and maybe somewhere else as well in years ago). and even pb29 have few versions i currently have few different ones and very soon more...
Now it's reversed though. White nights is sold at 1800/- and Van Gogh at 2100/-. Maybe because of war...
@@kunaljanvalkar2850 In Russia, the Pinax brand Extra single-pigment series is no less popular among artists. The price within the country is about the same, but there are rare expensive pigments like pottery pink, green perylene, a lot of cobalts and quinacridones.
Hi! It's a nice comparison with the two brands. The inconsistency in flow you mention in the video for the White Nights comes from the Cadmium pigments (Yellow, Red) that flow less, because Cadmiums usually don't flow as well as some other pigments. But that can genuinely happen in every brand, because dispersion is influenced by the binder/ox gall and the pigment itself, so there is no consistent dispersion within any brand. That is also what makes comparison difficult at times. Nevertheless it's worthy to see if a set is an upgrade and worth trying. :)
Thank you for the video!
Aii these are some helpful information..thanks i really appreciate it. Infact i should have added the 'cadmium' thing when wn wasn't flowing well 😐
@@niazhannanwatercolors That's fine :) I forget to mention things all the time in the videos. It's just the way it is, when you're in the flow. :)
@@LanaGoesArt Ahh u understand the pain!! I have subscribed your channel its pretty cool🤟
@@niazhannanwatercolors Thank you :)
Hands down the best and most thorough brand comparison I've seen! Thanks:)
Thanks 😊
I like them both. I started with van gogh and use them in my portable painter even though I now have over a hundred daniel smith colors. I also have every color of white nights besides a couple metallic. They are really good paints.
Every brand you took the name is good
Very nice! I only have a van gogh yellow ochre in 10ml tube and mostly white nights. Will try van gogh soon. Thanks for sharing this 👍🏼
Thats great..you should buy this box..its a good choice
Such an in depth comparison! I just ordered the van gogh set but I also really like how the White Nights disperse in water (except for the greens). It was really cool to see your own way of testing the paints and I didn't expect the White Nights to not mix and blend out that well despite performing better in the dispersion test!
Thank you! Both are great quality no doubt but i felt Vangogh behaves more mature than White Nights. The color palette is more subtle than wn..and for the mixing part it depends on how we do it.
I have used White Nights paints for years, in large and small projects, most of which are hanging around my home. So far the pictures are as vibrant today as they were when I first painted them. I have had issues with some Kuretaki Japanese paints, mostly the pinks and in only 11 months. Great video comparison. Great music, thenk you.
Both look good especially on the Canson. Side note. Good music.
Nice comparison video. They are both very good paints. And really good value.
True that...thanks!
I'm a consumer. I still want both.
Great review! I haven’t seen anyone put watercolour through it’s paces quite like this. I learned so much. I would definitely go for Van Gogh based on the transparency and the test you did that will tell you all you need to know! Thanks… oh and the music was a really nice touch, really went well with the painting.
Am so glad to hear that thanks a lot. More good stuff on its way. Stay tuned😊
Thank you for this thorough review!
Pleasure!
@@niazhannanwatercolors but I thought you're going to say that you like white nights...
Amazing! I have Van Gogh
Great comparison but the dirty water really bugged me. 😰
Thanks..and yes am a lazy guy i work with dirty water all the time🤤
@@niazhannanwatercolors Actually, seeing you do this entire review without changing your water now saves me from at least 3 runs to the faucet per painting! Thanks!👍
@@niazhannanwatercolors Same. I don’t see the point when I’m typically neutralizing my colors anyways.
I love your videos. The reviews are so thorough that the results are hard to dispute and make it easier for a novice like me to understand what the differences are. Thanks for another great video! Also, I have WN and just ordered VG to try. Looking forward to them arriving!
Thank you i appreciate it.. VG are great budget paints
How were the Van Gogh pans?
@@marwanmohamed9750 they are nice paints! I have quite enjoyed using them. Definitely worth the money!
@@Petercobourg Thank you :D
I am a beginner and honestly I am struggling with Van Gogh. It is not flowy and gets muddy easyly to a point of no return.. Can't say I am enjoying to work with it.. My first experience with watercolors was 20 years ago with a small Rembrat set which wasn't mine.. So maybe I was scarred for life that my first experience was with the very best and student grade paints can't replicate that😂😂😂 I also have a Daler Rowney aquafine set which I don't know if student grade or not which I like better. Softer and easier to grab for sure... I also have a sonnet set from st. Petersburg which is the student version of White Nights. I didn't have much chance to play with them. Honestly it was so cheap that I only bought them for the metal case that it came in. After trying them, I can say they are very creamy and easy to pick up and very vibrant almost explosive, on the down side can be sticky and opaque from time to time, which is I guess consistant with White Nights series. Of all the three, I find myself reaching out to aquafine more even though t is my smallest palette. Sorry to take so long, I hope this helps someone🌸
People learn from their experiences like you did. Let people buy few of these brands and decide what they like
6 out of 15 in the set of VG are consist of double pigments, they are more problematic to mix and get mudy.
White Nights already provides the right colours for a good start in the set. There are three cadmium colors in the set, Van Gogh has none.
Van Gogh has great colours in the tubes, but try to choose single pigment colors out of their selection.
@@Michael-ko8uf Thank you, I totally agree about single pigment colors, apart from a few I'll use only the single pigmets👍🏻
You could also try different qualities of paper. Possibly, the struggle you experienced with the VG was related to the paper. They say the quality of the paper matters more than that of the paint.
@@JannekeVisser-h8c I found out that the set I had mostly consists of multiple pigmet colors which gave me problems when I tried mixes. Their single pigment colors are much easier to mix and have good results. As paper I have canson cold pressed which I think is ok.
I have both. The $$ White Nights wins for me because it's based on full pans, not half-pans like the van gogh. If you double the price of the van gogh and then compare...you see it's more expensive. Apparently that didn't matter to me because again, I now have both...lol. I like the variety of the White Nights better as far as characteristics of pigments have to be taken into account for when you paint where van gogh seems to be more consistent across the board, which is kinda boring...when you're playing around with color, but okay when you're learning to paint something. For whatever reasons, White Nights seemed like cleaner color...not only vibrancy wise, but also...glow-wise. I like the unpredictability of some colors...especially when painting clouds, water, atmosphere...and van gogh for land features. This was a pretty good video, very entertaining.
1 цвет белых ночей меньше чем обычный Fullpan. У Белых ночей много недолива и пузырьков, поэтому здесь не особо уместно говорить о размере. Ван Гог гораздо лучше в смесях, лучше накладывается на бумагу, но имеет мутный наполнитель.
I love both of them. Some Shades of WN are better than VG and some VG better than WN. I can’t decide which one I prefer more. My favourite watercolours are Schmincke. They are so vibrant and transparent, and pigmentation is stunning 🤩
True that both are great paints..andits all about personal preference
Schmincke is a ultra professional paints
@@milosmihajlovic1867 You mean Schmincke Horadam, but Schmincke also has a student grade range called Schmincke Akademie :-)
@@LisaZoe86 Schmincke Horadam but I have now switched to Rembrant and I can say that they suit me better and are even better than Schmincke Horadam, only Rembrant makes 20ml paints, and they are very expensive and I am definitely not going back to Schmincke anymore
@@milosmihajlovic1867 what was your experience with schminke? Is it good to buy?
It would have been fairer to compare Vangogh with Sonnet. Sonnet is the (quite good) student grade line by the producers of White Nights.
Sonnet wasn't available at that time!
@@niazhannanwatercolors It's not bad at all, behaves great on the paper, and very well pigmented. Being student grade you won't find the more expensivecpigments in the set, and some (orange and purple) are quite fugative. It's the set I started out with and I am slowly supplementing it with artist grafe paints.
Это вообще несравнимые вещи. Соннет даже не на гуммиарабике сделан, а на декстрине. Это краска для детей.
@@bobcat1097 А ты Соннет хоть раз в работе пробовал? Для краски без гуммиарабика это очень крутой бренд. Прямо вот самый лучший из всех, что можно сделать на краске без гуммиарабика. Прозрачно, ярко. Нет трудноуправляемых спецэффектов вроде грануляции или внезапной сверхтекучести как у диоксазина фиолетового. Хороший набор для новичков и студентов: очень управляемый, очень яркий, прозрачный и дешевый.
@@endless_art Пробовал, конечно и был неприятно удивлён тем фактом, что он ложится сгустками как раз из-за связующего не гуммиарабика и даёт грязь по сравнению с проф. брендом. Как по мне, лучше не размениваться на него, а сразу купить что-то уровнем выше (например сразу пинакс Экстра, пусть три цвета, но всё же) и работать нормально, а не платить за вот эти вот 24 цветов, которые можно во-первых, намешать, а во-вторых, половина из которых имеют светостойкость 2 звезды. Ключевое слово, на которое все ведутся "дешёвый".
Очень интересный обзор, всегда было интересно отношение иностранцев к нашей русской палитре белых ночей
True that. Thanks 😊
When you said , ‘ holy shit, did you see that. It just exploded’ . That was exactly how I felt when you started with the dispersion test for white nights
Yea man
2022, mirando revisiones de acuarelas porque voy a comprar un set, en mi país hay distribuidores de estas 2 marcas, ;pero las Van Gogh están al doble de las White Nights, estoy sorprendida.
Definitely subd this is the 1st video of yours I watched. Awesome comparison and hope there are more of ypur videos like this if not I'd definitely enjoy them if you make them. Have a great day
Thanks a lot. More good stuff on its way...
Okay, Vincent van Gogh paints are student grade, while White Nights are considered artist professional grade. So, what is the difference? One of the differences when it comes to quality paints is having more color pigments than cheaper ones. I don't know about other brands when it comes to performance but if you want your White Nights to act like "Van Goghs" then you should use less paint. This is why it "exploded" in your cases.
True that..thank you i appreciate it😊
One thing to have in mind when comparing watercolours like these is that the two brands use different pigments and that has an effect on how they behave. White Nights use cadmium pigments for 2 or 3 of the colours and they are opaque. That says nothing about the brand in general. Talens Van Gogh do not contain cadmium as they are student grade.
Thanks 😊. You sound like one Great Artist from whom i can learn a lot. Please DM me your work on Instagram. Waiting...
Im sorry but I do not use instagram 🙂
It is a nice review you have done 😊
No worries 👍
Van Gogh are not considered student grade. They are considered artist grade. Rembrandt is still their professional line but Van Gogh is still considered Artist Grade
I like the Van Gogh better. All it’s colors react the same way to water and that makes it easier to control.
Fookin...is that the scientific nomenclature?
Enjoyed the comparison. Informative and yet informal. Add the background music was phenomenal, it made for a splendid video!
Thank you for sharing this!!! Now I'm going to have to see if I can binge watch any more videos of yours...
Yes😄
Thanks i appreciate your support!
i really enjoyed this; thank you very much
Pleasure!!
Hola! Recién empiezo en acuarela … cual me recomendas comprar de las dos? Gracias
Hola!! Vangogh👌 is better in my opinion
Great comparison! 👍 I have and use them both interchangeably. And also Rosa Gallery, they are my favourite so far.
But is it completely fair to compare "professional" grade WN with "student" VG? 🤔
Thanks 😊Yes its fair coz both are artist grade watercolor sets. Its mentioned in the product description on amazon india
WN stands for white nights in her test, not Windsor and Newton.
Talens Van Gogh is student grade. The artist grade from Talens is Rembrandt.
@@Charlotte-sq8cq Oh dear..i do my homework before i post a video. Both these names are from the same brand Royal Talens (Netherlands).
Why i considered comparing Vangogh and white nights?
Its because they cost almost the same. Vangogh is way better than a cheap students grade set. I mean how can a an artist grade cost lesser than an student grade? 😄
I really don't care about what people call them 'artist' or 'student' its about Usability. How well you can control the flow of watercolor and tell your story conveying the same feeling that inspired you to paint that piece.
@@niazhannanwatercolors You are so right about that. They are both very nice paint.
I prefer Van Gogh, they are very fragmented and semi-dry unlike WN, in a tube they can last much longer than WN and a lot depends on the technique, after all there are very small differences but I prefer VG, yellow ocher in WN is desperate, secondly VG just needs to literally touch the cube and the brush pulls much more paint than WN and what would be said if someone does not have a painting spirit in their hands will not help even the best paint in the world (if you can say so) Schmincke, give VG in the hands of Djukaric and he will paint a masterpiece, give it to the amateur Schmincke and he will paint NOTHING. At that price, maybe a little more should be taken professional Koh I Noor, perfect colors side by side with Rembrandt for a little more price than VG or WN, watercolor is a "game" of strategy, technique, skills, and pre-created image in the head, small details are gems in watercolor and the most important thing is to learn to control water and to bring chance to your advantage, when this is achieved you become a watercolor master, it sounds easy but it takes many years (only if someone is ultra talented and catches it much earlier), but to put an end to VG, you need to practice and experiment with these colors for at least a year to start painting and your VG colors are very different from VG made in the Netherlands or Germany (Royal Talens sold to Germans, VG and Rembr, the difference is huge compared to those coming from China.
Great info..thanks
wn is in light ochre case natural earth and its terrible unlike some other natural earths by other companies. same for other theri natural earths is terrible.
Considering the WN pans are twice as big as the VG, I'd say the price is better on WN. I do agree on the rest tho.
Now that the Van Gogh set is available for ₹1300/-, no other student grade set stands a chance. One notable exception is HIMI premier watercolor set which comes in a white metal palette of 24 colours (not their solid colour set but one that looks similar to Brustro or Mungyo's metal box). In my experience, it is far superior to Myngyo, Cotman to some extent, Van Gogh.
In White Nights, 1 red and 2 yellow pigments are cadmiums, which are very dense, very bright, granular and very expensive in other brands. They included cadmium in this set because at the time the composition of the set was approved more than 50 years ago, equally bright, light-resistant but transparent yellow and red did not exist. It is normal for cadmium to behave so opaquely, granulate and not budge. This does not mean that the paint is bad, it means that you do not know how to use this particular set. You need simpler kits with transparent and cheaper pigments.
This White Nights set is not a fair comparison, as it is a very old design and composition. The palette design is old and the pains are their older releases. White Nights released a few speciality sets like Botanical, Plein Air and Granulating. I own the Botanical one, it has many of their newer colours and 11 out of 12 are single pigments. Also has a pop out palette like Van Gogh.
Very nice audio. Thanks!
Pleasure!!
You wouldn't happen to have a comparison between the Van Gogh and the W&N Cotman, would you?
I'm currently looking for a set for urban sketching and found the Cotman Watercolour Set (20x5ml tubes) selling for 25€, while this Van Gogh set (15 colors) is selling for 21€ and the VG Watercolour Set (10 x 10 ml tubes) goes up to 31€. I was inclined to get the W&N Cotman since it has more colors, but I'm seeing so many people hating on Cotman and/or loving Van Gogh that is making me hesitant.
Any advice/suggestions?
I will choose Vangogh over Cotman any day!
@@niazhannanwatercolors Bad experience with Cotman? xD
@@izzyg8316 They just don’t want to activate and creating a big wash is irritating. On the other the Professional WN is a different story they are amazing
While hue comparison can be helpful, it doesn't tell you much about the overall paint behaviour which can vary greatly depending on the pigment used.
Plus you compared VG. Burnt Sienna with a WN. Yellow Ochre which are nowhere near to each other in terms of hue. Same goes for White Nights Green vs VG. Sap Green.
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Super video sir 🔥❤
Thank you!!
After watching your this video. I also prefer WG
Am glad to know that!!
Tell me about brushes? Which one is the best?
Please Review Mijello mission gold and lana aquarelle paper also
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Bro lana is cheaper than Arches 😅
@@aniruddha7827Price is never a concern for me
Grt vedio sirrrr 😁😁
Thanks 😊
@@niazhannanwatercolors wc❤️
Lots of love frm mumbai dobara ❤️😘😁😉
I use both brands
Me too!
which one is better to start with?
what is your sound track?
Its from UA-cam music library
VanGogh is not really a "CHEAP" brand..... a student grade, but reasonably good....
Today I ordered 10 half pan colors of the jaxon watercolor,2 of the VanGogh and 2 of the Winsor and Newton..It was about 15€ I hope they are ok😅
Its always fun to use new products😉
Lightfastness? Which one is better?
Both good
What kind of little spry you used on WN?
Its just clear water spray
Vangogh tube or cake?
Both are great but tubes a ted better
I like thst there is no talking. I feel like a lot of people are taking too much time talking about nothing and wasting time in total
Am glad 😌
"Cheap watercolor set comparison" ...and here in Perú this watercolors are expensive :'(
What is your budget?
Las van Gogh hace años costaban la mitad de precio a lo que lo venden ahora, al menos la caja de 12, ahora compro por pastillas los colores que quiero, tanto de esa como de rembrandt
in due proportions, because withe nigths is a professional line and vangogh is a student
My reviews are based on usability not the tags they give to that brand like students/professional/cotman/artists
@@niazhannanwatercolors ok , but from this perspective , being a professional of lesser value than the student , the cost benefit is better
VG is not cheap coming from the Netherlands at all, and the Chinese one is 30% cheaper and much less high quality, I have a set of 18 pans and a Chinese white in a 10ml tube, dark gray 10 ml in a tube and costs 90e
True that
I can't concentrate because of the dirty water
😄 i will take bigger cups from next time
@@niazhannanwatercolors i am Sorry.... I use distilled water and 3 cups water is so important.
WN have different quality of colors in each box.
‘You can see every fooking stroke’ 😂 I thing for sure at the start WN is better until that tower of fooking mess in the freestyle blending section.
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На самом деле, не корректно сравнивать кадмии и то что есть в Вангоге. Я имею в виду, повторите этот тест с кадмием вангога (если таковой есть, я не уверенна, что у них есть вне рембранта не имитация) и аналогичными пигментами и оцените результат.
both of watercolor is best but it's not available on Flipkart or Amazon
It is available on amazon!
Нада было воду поменять после ванного и делать сравнения а не краску мутить.
English please
@@niazhannanwatercolors "change your water, it's too muddy to paint"
Don't use colours with honey straight from the pan, they can't flow that way.
Pre-mix both colours with water and then compare the pigmentation and flow behaviour.
White nights has three cadmium colors in the set, Van Gogh has none.
White Nights has mostly single pigment colors, Van Gogh uses cheaper pigments and 6 out of 15 are consist of double pigments, they are more problematic to mix.
I like Van Gogh from the tubes, but you have to choose to buy the single pigment colours.
White Nights already provides the right colours for a good start in the set.
Thank you!!
Да, однопигментность важнее внешней схожести оттенка, но такими красками надо уметь пользоватся, не набирая отдельные кюветы, а смешивая нужное.
Van Gogh is lightfast across the entire line. White Nights is unfortunately not, in fact many of their paints labelled as lightfast are fugitive including including the new orange, and most of the pastels. They used to be even worse... so maybe one day they will take permanence seriously and fix the issues.
Very well said..bottom line is usability
I don't think Van Gogh is lightfast as it is a student brand, and White Nights is much more lightfast than Van Gogh
@@buseerkiraz8071 You would be incorrect. They have both been independently tested. You can find actual UV tests and information on kimcrickdotcom
@@buseerkiraz8071 For me its available usability and i consider VG over WN..and when i do bigger pieces that i want to last i will never use DS, Schmincke etc
@@waymire01 😭
Daniel Smith for the win!
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По их цене, было бы странно если б нет 😂.
You call this cheap????
Yes