How Art Became Useless
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- Опубліковано 6 сер 2024
- Postmodernism, technology, and social media have robbed art of it's purpose. How did this happen and what happens next?
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I didn't kill myself
Never kill yourself.
Bro think he Epstein
*YEEEEEEAHHHHH*
Same for now
@@kalev_knight*forever
"art has no purpose"
*proceeds to make a piece of art with the purpose of presenting this narrative
It all starts in the mind.
i guess ur kinda right. but maybe what is presented in the video is self-refferencial. i like the video but i dont see what makes it diffrent from the trump paintings shown. his art favoures the "system" (a.k.a the requirement needed for a catchy youtube video) maybe not like the bourgois before, but a little bit similar. we are paying him to make videos we like, therefore we are kinda commissioning the videos ( if u think about it long enough).
the video does the job of critizing itself, pointing how it is derivetive while commenting on how art made about hard time has become tasteless.
or maybe im just overthinking it.
TLDR: *rambeling*
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@@namelesspotato4667 at that point we ask ourselves what we commission for from our artists and which communities that brings us closer with and which ones we separate ourselves from. I think context and intentions are what really differentiate. Sounds really straightforward and obvious, but i think making such distinctions challenging the “instant jumping to conclusions” reactions we see so much on the internet. Making sure we stay epistemologically grounded in how we approach art and people within specific communities
But idk tho
art matters to me. it’s deeply personal. and that’s all. i don’t try to explain it, i just know making and enjoying art feels right.
😊 creation is life.
What modern art and why though? I know it's not something that can be answered easily or quickly, but I wouldn't mind the perspective.
@internethardcase I'm not the op, but I write short stories, rap, and play bass. I do so because I love to create something that didn't exist before I birthed it. I do it as a practice in better understanding myself and the world around me. It's deeply personal and addicting. I couldn't stop if I wanted to. I'd go mad. In a lot of ways, the act of attaining knowledge and expressing it is the only endeavor that seems worthwhile to self growth, understanding, and hopefully connecting on a deeper level with others.
It's like language. Why does "tree" refer to trees? It's arbitrary and nobody can tell you any other language's word for tree is "better". In Spanish they call trees "árboles" and that works perfectly fine for them. Art is the same way. Why do I find rock and roll music so meaning, but classical devoid of interest to me? I don't know. I just do.
sculpture and blacksmithing is my game.
The curse of sincerity is that is still ends up in a cringe compilation.
Yeah but it mattered to you and it resonated with you so it doesn't feel as bad as if you sold out to make a shallow piece of culture that didnt even end up appealing to the people you tried making it for much less yourself
not to call everybody a Michelangelo but he was primarily a sculptor and was pressured to paint the Sistine Chapel, this would of led to ridicule had he not ended up creating a design so complex and technically difficult that nobody can question his ambition
It being in a cringe compilation only really matters if the primary goal was people pleasing.
So video killed the radio star?
They're in my mind, and they're in my car
this video is an oxymoron
@@deep_fried_analysis no YOURE a mor. On
"The only excuse for making a useless thing is that one admires it intensely. All art is quite useless." ~ Oscar Wilde
He was nor a painter neither made any significant artwork, his plays usually have a nhilistic theme in them.which explains the above quote.
@@ArcSine- ohkay. and how does art solve nihilism? does it make one go beyond death thus solving the ever existing question surrounding lives purpose? cuz, from a practical standpoint all it does is it allows the artist to pass time more "quickly".
And significant artwork? I'll have to disagree with you there since so many artists whose art is "significant" now were never recognised for their genius while they were alive. So if Van Gogh died before his art became significant, what difference does it make to him that he's celebrated now?
The only real value art has, if at all, is to the one who created it. And maybe a few more who too, can feel that arts essence. Other than that, ALl ArT Is QuItE UseLeSS.
Art shares consciousness. Since the first cave painting we've been telling a story.
Art is a medium of communication between 2 consciousness in time. It doesn't have any absolute meaning just like language
paper planes by MIA playing in my head while watching the video after two week worth of insta stories hahaha
Same ☹️
This is why music is the ultimate and most natural artform above all others.
Just listening to good music cures you at a deep level from the nihilistic belief that nothing matters, even art.
With visual art, you can get fooled into thinking it.
Yay a new one. Interesting take on it. Art does have purpose, now, though - to be beautiful. Conceptual art has no purpose anymore, I agree. I typically go by what Socrates asks: is it beautiful, useful, or wise? If none of those, then it has no purpose.
I love this comment
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So like, even the expression of an idea in a work, no matter how conceptual, is useless to you?
Or perhaps useless is a quality in this case; the artwork functions ideally independent from systems that wish to exploit it.
@@garrettzanin940That would make sense before but now art itself is being exploited for profit
art makes you see different perspectives and/or feel seen yourself
I think getting whatifalthist for this was a bad idea. The guy has a really bad reputation for being frequently innacurate, not sourcing his stuff and using secondary sources from people, some of which even non-historians, without acknowledging possible biases because of their ideological leanings.
My heart sank as soon as I heard his name... interesting subject and I like Art Chad's content overall, but damn does that loons presence make this video unwatchable
I mean, he has his faults and one should definetly be cautious and sceptic when watching his videos, but he was fine in this one. Guess the whole interview could be different story tho
He's fun
Just say you don't like him, don't be bitch made.
Do you have proof of this? I would love to check it out.
As a fellow emerging artist with a BFA I can see where your coming from but your making a big generalization about every artist working today. Not every artist is inspired by politics or current events. A lot of them think its boring and would rather reference their feelings or pop culture. Art as a whole IS soft power, it might not change anyones mind over night but it does change minds over time. Also not all art is made for a public casual audience as you mentioned with your Medici comparison, a lot of contemporary art in galleries was made for a specific show or commissioned. At the end of the day when people seek comfort , entertainment or inspiration they still turn to the arts.
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Yeah this dude has some of the absolute worst takes on art I've ever heard
What I've seen is that what could be called the modern "commoner art" has shifted less towards displaying reality 1:1 and more reflecting on more internal struggles, things that you can't really capture with a photograph. And it's a fair development where most people are anyways bombarded with war footage on their timelines and a painting trying to depict "the horrors of war" will seem stale or even insincere. Meanwhile when mental health struggles within young people for example is at an all time high and most genuinely feel the world isn't cut out for them or they lack a sense of purpose, ironically I can't see a better way to express it than through art.
I'm a 34 year old, politically unaligned dude, who knows fuck all about art. I would say I lean mostly left, but I don't like the labels. I say all that to say, you have become one of my favorite content creators. Shout out to you homie 🙏
People who identify as completely “left” or “right” are often less intelligent on average. There’s no nuance to their opinions. I think both the left and the right both have their cases, but I still tend to lean right as they seem to be more against the bureaucratic technocracy that has dominated western society since WW1.
Liberal!!!!!
hell yeah brother, agree with you just like uncle iroh from ATLA says "It is important to draw wisdom from many different places. If you take it from only one place, it becomes rigid and state." no one side has all the answers thats why its important to take inspiration from both sides
its a shame that the only way to identify if you consider other people human beings or not is to call yourself a leftist lol. its horrifying that the opposite is whats considered normal and rewarded the most
Centrism is just being a republican mixed with copium.
Interview DJ Peach Cobbler next, that man is an ̶a̶u̶t̶i̶s̶t̶ artist
My favourite video game reviewer turned doomer philosopher
Hey Art Chad, very odd timing as I finally had this revelation recently and remembered that comment you made replying to me so long ago and finally uploaded a few videos to my channel again for the first time.
I thought for a while that maybe I had to do the same as everyone else but the more authentic and free-flowing it is, the better the art CAN become.
Love the Goya bit too as the art Ive been making for the last year or so has been based on goya and bacon so Id love to show it on the channel or to you sometime! Amazing video as always, and thank you for being part of my art journey, Art Chad
Each peice of modern art is just a semantic pretzel designed to alienate you.
Huh, I thought I would hate this video... but no, it's ok.
Thumbs up.
agree to disagree type shit lol
@@OSNLebuna Not even that tbh.
It's the emotional moments of creating art that make it matter to me.
As someone who’s spent way too much time in the alternate history side of youtube I cringed so hard when you brought on whatifalthist
in an unsacred world, there is no art.
what
@@Hulkman5000 fortnite among us sussy
Interesting discussion. I think art is such a messy subject, you’re coming at it from the perspective of art lacking purpose unless it’s changing the world. I don’t know how true I find that, I once talked with somebody who felt similarly and all I could think was “why is it my responsibility to show you how to feel?” My main complaint about the elitism of art is that it’s a subject that takes itself too seriously at times. Some artists definitely like that though, and I’d say that those artists are still changing the world. Their picture may not necessarily have the global impact of Goya, but that’s more because our social circles are so much bigger that it’s easier to lose sight of an individual thread vs. a very successful court painter, already distinguished from the herd, stepping forward with a bombshell like The Third of May. I’d also say that even though there are now body cams, this doesn’t negate the effect of warfare on art. Artists connect their audience emotionally to what is happening, showing “I am a person affected by this war” or “I remember how precious peace was”. That will always have way more impact than the reality of hundreds of deaths, simply because the mind becomes numb when the numbers get too big vs. the individual voice saying “I matter. I am here.” It’s a focal point through which to filter passion and compassion into the larger situation. But I don’t think art just exists to change the world, it can also preserve it. We know a lot more about history through the art of the time than most anything else, so even seemingly meaningless modern art will one day be a reflection of where we were at this point in history. I liked your points, agreed with some of them and it gave me lots to think about for sure. Its definitely a topic that I think a lot of artists are reflecting on these days
I really like this comment.
Parts of the video kind of irked me, especially when things became didactic over what art does, and it’s use.
I kept thinking about Tuan Andrew Nguyen, a contemporary Vietnamese artist, who made sculptures out of recovered bombshells. There is something undeniably there.
Parts of this vid kind of retread the same conversation around how the introduction of the camera affected the art world… there is film and photography taken of WW1, and Otto Dix’s work still has a lasting impact on me. Hell, even wars within the past 20 years in the middle east, which have extensive documentation, have had work made about them by soldiers who experienced what that was like, and I find their drawings extremely valuable.
Don't forget that art is great for big money as it provides tax breaks if its donated to charity. Get artist to make some crappy art. Get art appraiser to value it highly. Give it to charity and say its valued by an expert at X amount. Then Write X amount off in tax. So some thing that cost pennies to commission could write off hundreds of thousand in tax.
Art man my beloved 🙏
Bro, you can't Summon Bricklayers without the tribute of at least One Downpayment 2:57
he's playing the vol 1. ocg
so he can just let that beast out immediately
Please keep making art history videos, they're great
4 years of art school i couldn't put my finger on it and you just laid it out in 15 minutes
man idk what Brogen sees in whatifalthist but ig i'll hear what the man has to say. These type of things aren't really a deal breaker for me tbh.
Update:
He was ok
That BMW warning chime at like 1:15 made my blood sugar plummet
You usually make such great videos but I physically cannot believe anything that comes out of whatifalthist's mouth :/
rakka pfp !!!! ^.^
Why?
@@kingofcards9516cause he's an absolute moron who openly rejects any academic source produced after the 50's
It's not a physical problem. It's a mental one. And it has nothing to do with whatifalthist. I'm sure he's not the only one you have this problem with, but I guarantee he would have no problem simply listening to you.
@@kingofcards9516 If you've seen any of his videos, he cannot coherently explain an idea for the life of him. He jumps from point to point, going on unrelated tangents that don't really have anything to do with the topic, and his maps are very shoddily made.
Ugly art came once art stopped being a relevant cultural medium, yet the makers of ugly art are literally the most pretentious artists the world has ever known.
what kind of art do people want to see? (coming from an artist) I struggle to find the balance between what I like the make art about and what I care about, versus what other people want to see and are interested in... Its like a paradox, if I think about it one way I mess up and if I think about it the other way I mess up. Where does art belong? on the internet? i guess thats the sensible option. museums and galleries are rare to get into. Maybe art tutorials is the future, rather than just creating art, but also sharing the creative process? is socially media that bad that we shouldnt be posting art tutorials? I always see negative feedback no matter the content I post and that shouldnt get to me either. Its all in my head now because once you think too deep you lose the art that was there to begin with. do you guys have any thoughts?
Don't feel compelled to invite whatifalthist into your videos again. Ever.
why?
Watch something else.
I'm a published author and professional artist...art and writing is literally what keep me from killing myself🗿😭
Where was this 3 weeks ago? I just finished my first grad school paper on pretty much this exact topic. 😢
art has a purpose rich people pay lets say 100 dollars taxes so they hiere somone for 10 dollars to make art and somone else for 30 dollars to say that that painting is worth 100 dollars the govermant takes the painting as a Donation to a museum and say hy thanks for donating such a priccless payinting it was worth 100 you say well now you have to pay 100 less taxes so the rich mann saves 60dollars in taxes and that schildren is the purpose of art.
Art has purpose because human emotion has. Even if it's just for humans
Where else would meaning/purpose "manifest" itself even, if not in us. We do not care about a bird's nest. Yet it has purpose and meaning and someone made it who has a connection to it.
Detaching the one from the other, what kinda is what we do with our whole
"uhhh, divide art from the artist"
"divide the political streaming from the horse p*rn" kills purpose and makes everything "a e s t h e t i c"
It's as hollow as rich people truly are. It's as hollow as the new Star Wars.
It's as hollow as Jeff Bezos Eyes. It's as hollow as every video game franchise that once was made to be played and is now made (solely) to be bought.
It's what David Foster Wallace meant, when he talked about postmordernism, I guess.
@@vau_st Dividing art from the artist strips all value from both. I see people who love Miyazaki's movies, but hate the person for his opinions. No! Especially in that case, the art is PART of the artist, and vice versa. Without one, we wouldn't know either. This obsession with simplifying artists as bad people who make good art is only in service to hedonists. They think kicking people down makes them look good, but can't sacrifice the pop-culture that they use to substitute their own personality. Soulless, in the literal sense, are these people who would rather pretend to be good than risk having opinions on media. Too ignorant to engage with the art OR artist, they are damned to see the world as good and evil. Good, being themselves and whatever makes them feel virtuous. Evil is what remains.
Oof someone doesn't know how art sales work
If your painting that you bought for 10 dollars is appraised at 100, you have to pay capital gains tax over the new $90.
And if you donate $100, you don't have to pay $100 less tax, you just don't pay tax over that money. Which in most places would mean a $30-$50 tax cut.
Your theory is wrong on literally every level.
What about art made before there was a monetary system?
Love your energy man
Are you only referring to static visual art? I'd argue most of the relevant artists in the visual arts have moved to things like film and television, maybe narrative type artwork which seems to help folk make sense of the stuff that's happening today. For every Transformers movie, there's The Big Short or Synecdoche, New York...
Great video, love your channel. I see more impact within art which tackles the domestic, the psychological, the workplace - i.e. things that people experience every day. I think 'good' modern art spotlights something about our shared existences and helps us see the world in different ways. The 'best' art tends to showcase something contemporary and reveal more layers of depth with time. I think a lot of people dismiss the artistic impact of things that are 'common', like TV shows, when they have the potential to be just as meaningful and potentially much more wide-reaching and impactful compared to less accessible art films or whatnot. Just a thought!
the mug holding the mic is such a funny touch. really great way of poking a light fun at how many people are holding their mic in youtube video nowadays
i love that hemorroy rodgers is your outro music 😂
thought you were gonna have a better help sponsorship at the end for a moment there
I showed this to my painting class at the university 🎉 honestly one of the best videos I've seen on the topic of degenerate art and the gatekeeping of contemporary art, thank you so much
Another banger my man!
Once craft re enters the art world we will see some interesting good stuff, but i feel that the visual artists have become like poets or something. this is something I have always struggled with, I am not very emotional, so i have always felt like my art has no meaning, but I keep making it. I feel the awe looking at a mountain, i don't know that I need to construct a whole poem just to show you that, or even better, using my years practice at my craft, maybe I can make something that just is, and conveys that.
I dig your videos, you have a clever head on your shoulders, I want to see more of your art though!
I know you changed the title and this one fits much better!
Nah, art has purpose.
And that purpose is what you gotta decide wheather if ya wanna make something which will make you proud or if ya wanna just farm some couple inatalikes from one side of the political/community spectrum.
Why is there a difference between "what matters to you" and "for some higher purpose"? If I made art (which I'm working on through video games), it's because I want to communicate a perspective. I'm not directly doing it to change the world, but I would hope that it contributes to whatever abstract processes there are out there that do change the world. It's probably mostly for personal reasons though. It's fun to create.
I like how he represents the common guy, which of course includes a coffee cup
What a perfectly distilled, little dystopian cherub you are my friend !
Keep on keeping on❤
Mi pana cómo me lo vas a traer al whatifalthist, te van a empezar a llover un montón de weones de la alt-right
el whatifalthist dijo unas verdaderas idioteces basadas en sobre simplificaciónes extremas de america latina
@@PASTRAMIKick y no olvides las "vibes" y que a veces hace como musculoso con "conozco a alguien" y justo ese alguien es algun conocedor y justo está de acuerdo con las cosas que él dice en el video. Ah y mi favorita, la second american civil w
Omg these videos are criminally good 😂
When did the very first art appear on the earth ...it was then ....and it is now ...and it will always be, what it is. Nothing can change that.
The video is catchy tho. I enjoyed it, it actually helped me clear some things up in my mind.
has he ever seen whatifalthist lol
Fantastic stuff bro
Art now appears through a screen.
Music without a video seems unintelligible in comparison.
Paled in comparison at best.
In other words, as technology develops so does our standard for art.
Great video Mr. Chad
There’s an essay written Walter Benjamin called “the work of art in the age of mechanical reproduction” that pairs well with this video
My exact reaction to the start of this video was - “ah fine let’s watch another video an- OH it’s Art Chad! ☺️
Collaboration with Sam Hyde when?
sammy hates nihilists and art chad is here treading a fine line, who knows if he'd like him I suppose he would, depending on what he sees
I want him to paint Sam like one of his french girls
Thank you, Art Chad 👍
what the song at the end please ?
I really can just say you're wrong, and you'd have no countet argument
sheesh you got rudy on this vid, great stuff
i was just thinking about this topic
You kept me alive for yet another day
Surprisingly good video, I think that there is also something to be said with regards to mass communication changing the relationship between the people making art about war and the people who actually do the war fighting. The kind of person who would make art idealizes the soldier, as though he is some ideologically purified, paragon of divine conflict. Nine times out of 10 the soldier is probably just somebody who likes violence or somebody of an imperious nature who wishes to impose their will upon others, neither of these mesh well with the idea of the soldier from the perspective of somebody who makes art
Thanks for the video Art Chad. I recently listened to The Decline and Fall of Western Art by Brendan Heard (because it's one of the few art audio books I could find to listen to while I'm doing my boring job). The video reminded me of the book because the author complains that we have lost value in art, such as the celebration of chivalric virtue. He seems to chalk this up to perverse ideology of modernism that likes to take down traditions, but he really turns a blind eye to the effects of wider history. I mean, what the heck does chivalric virtue mean when wars can be settled by destroying a whole city in under a minute?! So anyway, it's good to find a critique of modern art that doesn't suggest we can just "lalala" ourselves back to allegedly more virtuous and value-rich times.
I agree with your final point, that artists shouldn't be striving to use art as it once was used. For purposes that are insignificant now. To tell things that are already told abundantly.
However, I don't know why you didn't just say what you wanted to say. I feel like you built up so much of what you don't want art to be derivative of anymore, then just vaguely said why at the end.
I'd love to hear more about what specifically you want artists to show or say through their own specific art nowadays. Do you want more individual experiences? Personal trials? Less to do with some common blanket mindset that everyone thinks they should have a take in?
I know I do. I'd love for artists to actually express themselves and their strife, or just their own personal and intimate experiences. Even if they don't explain anything. Just be genuinely vulnerable for once. Not everything has to be said, but I'd love to just see other artist's at least owning the fact that they can choose to not indulge in what people expect them to be or find meaning in.
what is concessions
Thanks for this perspective , always impressed by what you deliver 😎🔥🔥🔥
great video as always
Banger video as always
If we're talking abut institutional art, yes it is useless, supercilious, and a money laundering scheme. However, there is plenty of intimate and real art which is an expression of the human condition. And both "real" art and institutional art are not mutually exclusive. But yeah, usually I agree with you lol.
The art i make is mostly unnatural landscapes that i dream up during sleep. I dont post it anywhere, i only show it to my family and close friends. Im currently building a fantasy setting and will probably use these paintings as inspiration and guides for the different regions. Which then ill use that world as a setting for stories and games i widh to make
thank you. this is good.
Just discovered your channel last night and have been devouring your videos since. I just signed up for your Patreon. Keep up the fantastic work.
Wow, thanks for this. I've been wondering for a long time why I didn't care about Art. Now I understand much better.
dude, I love your videos. I don't get the "mainstream" art world.
I just paint to shut up my brain and have a way to put the pictures in my head out there.
I don't think of a higher purpose. just like Van Gogh, I want people to see what I see
in the hopes to find a few people that appreciate what I do as an artist :3.
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@@lucyandecember2843 *waves*
bro’s clearly never seen a Tom of Finland piece
This is art. Some sort of meta art.
Decent assessment.
I really appreciate your arguments, but I think that you stopped your analysis one step before where they were leading to. I feel like your reasoning stems from a paradigm where "purpose" is in itself linked to political and social impact and it doesn't leave this paradigm, but I think that it should. I think your analysis passively illuminates the possibility that this paradigm is actually an accidental artifact of western history and that it covers the notion of art and purpose, and that this cover can be lifted.
I think that the next step of your analysis is a reevaluation of the very notion of purpose in the current postpostmodern era. My intuition is that the characteristics of existing in the here and now and of culture as it is, give the notion of purpose a new, more complex, and plural ontology. One that recontextualizes art, our relationship with it, its history and its importance.
Putting your mic on a coffee mug is actually genius
Good message.
Tik Tok edits might be the new art meta
Bringing in WhatIfAltHist and referencing some streamer drama irrelevant to the subject is an L.
theres an singer musician here in Brazil whos aware of the history of art and comments on postmodernism, he manages to make relatable art that appeals to the everyday person by revealing things that are not so obvious like the gopro camera in a soldier, but subtle details in our everyday lives. and has commented on how you cannot fix the world with a song in a song. Its genius
visual art, music, movies all play such different roles in society yet its all "art" I would argue art is extremely useful in perpetuating the status quo.
Good take 💯
There's this essay by Przybyszewski called Confiteor and it's entire purpose basically is art should not have a purpose beyond art
theres something to be said about the third of may 1808. we're desensitized to that kind of stuff today. we may be desensitized to worse things
Of course the painting of Saturn devouring his son has a purpose, it's to get that son devoured
I'm surprised no one brought up Alexis de Tocqueville's theory on this. Considering his predictions have largely played out in modern America; and America is the focal point of art & entertainment for the world. He talked about the seductiveness of equality and how it would spread to all things in society, possibly leading to a collapse of great people, leaders, thinkers, artist etc. For anyone interested Democracy in America is a good read and eerily relevant.
having gone to art school for a short while
i have learned that contemporary art is just made to be made or for clout within the little elite art circle
and the meaning of the piece only gets thought of afterwards as an afterthought 80-95% of the time
or the meaning only really makes sense within their own autistic world space which i can completely understand
but i think it is extremely annoying and shallow when artists say the normal man is stupid for not appreciating contemporary gay art
babe wake up, new art chad video dropped
Two of my favorite UA-camrs in one video?
I JUST had this conversation with my mother. “If it’s can’t applied, then it’s considered fine art. Fine art is not art until posterity decides it is. Therefore, modern art is not art.”
She stared blankly into my eyes before I left. As, an out of touch artist, I was sure no one else considered something so trivial.
Thank you for making this video.
last i checked i havent ended my life and im still attempting to make art that means something to me. nice... nice!