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Biggest James Bond Movie Plot Holes
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- Опубліковано 14 сер 2024
- Running down 6 of what I consider to be the biggest plot holes in the Bond film universe.
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In "Die Another Day" the north koreans force Bond to listen to Madonna's music while being tortured. However later in the film we can clearly see that Madonna in this universe is a fencing instructor rather than a pop artist.
😂😂
"I would have thought listening to your music would be torture enough"
@@davidjames579 nothing is more painful, than listening to your music!😂
I actually like Die another Day’s title song. I’d consider The experience of Love more of a torture session.
wait wha-
I've always thought that Goldfinger was such an egomaniac he had to divulge his plan to the mobsters just to see how impressed they'd be by it.
Totally agree. This is why Goldfinger is genuinely delighted when (with some prompting) Bond figures out his actual plan - to irradiate the gold supply of the United States.
The mobsters failed wear COVID face masks....protects from all poison gases and microscopic germs.
Yes I agree. Goldfinger enjoyed giving that briefing. "So did I..."
This is a contingency plan made clearer by the fact that all the criminals clearly don't like being together, but together provided all the materials for the supposed heist. Goldfinger expected his lair to be found eventually, and he essentially framed the missing gangster as the mastermind by hiding the body and killing the others. Remember, Goldfinger had a plan to escape - had Bond not survived, Goldfinger would have covered his tracks so well that MI-6 would have been right back at square one.
That's a good explanation - one of which the novel bears out.
My Favorite is how a Korean man turned into a white businessman all within a year and no one noticed 😂
Very true! Not just any old businessman either, a multi-millionaire who's being knighted by the Queen!
Calvin Dyson 😂
@@calvindyson Must have been a hell of a legend they created for him since people considered to be knighted get thorough background checks first. They certainly would want to know which school he went to.
David James to be fair, the Korean version of said man went to Oxford and Harvard lol
I don't know how they did that but it was more believable than Bond being transforned into a 6ft plus Japanese man with Scottish accent.
Honestly with the "Goldfinger" plot hole, I say the best way to defend that one is the simple fact that Goldfinger is a character with a huge ego and way simply telling it to the mobsters for the sake of an ego boost.
Thats how I explained away the New Order plot hole in The Last Jedi for why they didn't just lightspeed jump ahead of the caravan. Or why the Empire was always so inept. Too much ego, too much cockiness. Never planning for failure or for anything to ever go even remotely wrong.
I agree with your assessment, Callum, regarding Goldfinger's ego of stating his plan. He loves it so much, he wants the gangsters' reactions!
For Trevelyan's "...you're supposed to die for me" line to Bond, I interpret it as a remark on the loyalty Bond and him (and perhaps all 00's) are meant to hold to each other, and that he somehow feels Bond betrayed him by setting the bomb off 3 minutes earlier than they'd planned. The plot hole then becomes why Bond didn't simply retort "You think I betrayed you, Alec? How was I supposed to know you were faking your death?" or something similar.
Here's an inexplicable moment from A View to a Kill: just how on earth did Stacey Sutton manage to get ambushed by a blimp?
I think it was more of an insult than some feeling of betrayal. Alex presumably thought that Bond was gonna die either by all the Ruskies storming into the room or by the explosives after being captured, so him saying "you were supposed to die for me" was more of a flex that he was playing Bond from the start after realising that 007 was more loyal to the Crown than his friend.
I think Alec was supposed to be “killed “. Also in front of the Russian soldiers
This is weird. As Alec explains part of it is sense of betrayal from Bond. Then he goes on about how his parents were betrayed. Them being Lienz Cossacks. I can't imagine James Bond saying something like 'you think I betrayed you Alec'. For him it was just a job like any other. In the spy world that Bond lives in there is no space for genuine interactions.
At least Man with the golden gun explanation is that Hip had his nieces and therefore had to abort stopping to save Bond because of the danger it presented for the girls . ( EVEN THOUGH THEY KICKED THE CRAP OUT OF THE WHOLE KARATE SCHOOL)
@@AzelfandQuilava Well Bond changed the timer from 6 min to 3 min. Alec probably thought he had more time to disappear after he was killed but Bond get Alec was going to get killed anyway so he changed them to 3 but Alec thought he lied? I don’t know . What
Do u think
Originally, they were going to open OHMSS with a revelation that Bond had just undergone plastic surgery to alter his appearance. I like to imagine they probably would have had Lazenby initially step out of the Aston Martin with his face mummified and pull the bandages off before he rescues Tracy. This obviously was to explain the physical differences between Connery and Lazenby and would have prevented the plot hole of Blofeld not recognizing Bond. But that was cut. In fact, when I asked Lazenby about it at a Q&A session, he said that was the first he had heard of it. So I guess it must have been scraped pre-production.
A hangover of this is the Blofeld plastic surgery doubles in Diamonds Are Forever.
@@davidjames579 i believe in the books (none cannon to the films but still) blofeld was always someone who changed his looks
somehow even changing race and overall size
@@scottgrasser9737 Yeah, Fleming never explains it, but each time Bond meets Blofeld, he looks different. Either he's a human Chameleon, or like The Dread Pirate Roberts he's played by different people (just like the Code Name Theory).
@@scottgrasser9737 In the Thunderball novel, Blofeld was described as being massively overweight with a dark crewcut. His likeness was described as something akin to that of Benito Mussolini. In OHMSS, he had lost considerable weight, had long silvery hair, removed earlobes and a nose partially destroyed by syphilis. He also wore contact green lens. And in YOLT, he has much longer hair, a long drooping moustache, and a gold tooth. He also more muscular and had a fully healed nose, and assumed the identity of Shatterhand.
You should see OHMSS as a sequal to Thunderball like YOLT never hav happend.
Goldfinger's plot hole never really phased me. My thought on having the meeting was that this was Auric's way of getting all the parties that had been involved in bringing in the materials for the heist to one place and eliminating them. Knowing that Goldfinger's plan was to nuke Fort Knox, having his mob contacts live following the destruction would cause Goldfinger so much hassle from every major US crime family.
Goldfinger had to create the meeting to get them all together he went through the motions of doing the presentation when one opted out he had to eliminate him in a more discreet way out of sight so as and not to create panic or suspicision amongst the other mobsters who he intended to wipe out. I know lots of Bond fans see it as a plot hole but it's logical if you think it through.
It makes sense for him to bring them all together, but he didn't have to give them a big speech.
That's still not really a plot hole though- it's just Goldfinger bragging to major crime figures that he's about to outdo them. The only problem is that it is contrived in order for Bond to overhear it.
@@jonathancampbell5231 I think the big speech was basically Goldfinger bragging about how great of a criminal mastermind he is. You can tell during his mint julep chat with Bond of how proud he is of his plan, so he is basically showing off to the gangsters. Typical narcissist.
@@damienfenton3880 As he says in his speech, man has pushed forth in unbelievable endeavors, and he intends to do so in crime. Of course he wants to orate that to America's leading criminals, just as a scientist would want to unveil a new discovery or theory to his peers. But he can't let them live after that, though.
Yeah, I buy that
Yeah, Silva’s plan always bugs me, not enough to stop me loving the film though
George Lowes I totally agree it’s sort of the same thing with the Joker in The Dark Knight
yankee 88 Joker is TDK really doesn’t have a master plan.. outside of getting Dent to turn. He wants chaos and improvises most of his plans. I feel like Sliva just wants to kill M and hurt MI6 which tracks to me
neil Varma hey good reasoning. Fair enough
It’s a tedious plan
I don’t mind Silva’s plan because he almost definitely had multiple escape plans and routes
Yeah, I agree with your pass/fail decisions. The thing that bothers me about the Hip and the car one is that I’ve seen an edit on UA-cam where they just cut Hip and his nieces out: Bond jumps out the dojo window and runs straight for the boat and you’re into the khlong chase, and it worked so much better. It makes me wish that’s how it actually played out in the film. Sure it cuts out Hip’s nieces fighting the entire dojo, but in my opinion cutting that wouldn’t have been too much of a loss - it’s clearly just there because they were trying to jump on the Kung Fu bandwagon after ‘Enter the Dragon’.
EDIT: Here’s the aforementioned edit if you’re interested ua-cam.com/video/_HYDKEgw-_w/v-deo.html
Good lord that edit works so much better... You're completely right. Maybe they even suspected it'd be cut while they filmed it (much like John Glen and that scene where Stacey is fired in AVTAK) so they just didn't bother to cover up the holes but then for whatever reason someone insisted they leave it in?
Calvin Dyson Considering how much effort you can see went into that whole scene where the nieces fight the entire school, I doubt they ever suspected of cutting it. They probably just wanted a big silly fight scene at any cost (because Bruce Lee had made martial arts all the rage), and if it meant it didn’t fit into the film organically so be it.
Also, I notice I said “dojo” and “Kung Fu” which are probably highly inaccurate terms when referring to Thai martial arts, but I must admit I don’t know what the correct terms are.
@@BenCol Very true. It's a bit like how in a view to a kill every scene seems to build to the dumb gag, how they get there doesn't matter [see the 'fly in his soup' bit especially]
Would have been improved even more if they cut J.W. Pepper out of it.
I'm joking!
I think the biggest Bond Plot Hole is the Sciarra's ring in SPECTRE carrying the DNA of Le Chiffre, Mr White, Sliva and Blofield
Also all you need to get into a SPECTRE meeting is an Octopus Ring. No ID, people who can vouch for you, guest list, secret handshake.......... And Bond somehow knows that.
Pause the film and it makes more sense. The ring is made of a rare metal, and those three all had traces on their fingers, implying they all wore similar rings. They didn't all share the same ring.
Well.. SPECTRE as a hole doesn’t make sense
I think live and let die THE QUEEN OF CUPS upside down position sent to Bond by who? About Rosie being a double agent
@@davidjames579 The guards knew when they let him in, it was part of Blofields plan for him to be there.
I once saw a trailer that had coming April 2020 and it's almost August and the movie isn't here. Explain that one.
I could explain, but the reasons would be so mind boggling you wouldn't believe... ;)
Calvin Dyson can u review MI Fallout?
I can explain... delayed.
There you go.
Simple.
*cough* *cough*
@@rylan_reviews6493 He has reviewed the MI series up to Ghost Protocol so he'll get there before too long i'm sure
some suggestions of plot holes i haven't seen below:
1. in moonraker, its pretty fucking handy that nasa was able to deploy a shuttle full of astronauts with jetpacs and chest mounted lasers to attack a mysterious satellite about 200,000 miles up in space in about 10 minutes. nasa funding in the seventies must've been mental.
2. if m is ever really truly concerned about bonds sexual promiscuity, perhaps he/she should stop sending support agents to help him who are under 25 and beautiful (mary goodnight, strawberry fields, couple of others i've forgotten i'm sure). come on m, send some munters if you're that worried.
3. TSWLM - ah yes, the classic egypt to sardinia train route that totally exists apparently.
4. Zorin: mayday, kill this auberghine dude before he talks to a spy about our plans. here's a gun, and here's his address
Mayday: Aw, but i want to kill him as a paratrooping killer ninja fisherman, right in front of this spy, in a world famous location
zorin: but why would you do something so stupid and recklessly incriminating?
mayday: because COCAINE
zorin: (snnnffffffffffff) I FUCKIN LOVE IT LETS DO THIS I'LL DRIVE A SPEEDBOAT TOO
jthfear 1. is not a plot hole, it’s fantastical
the fourth one had me in tears 😀
Always thought the bit in OCTOPUSSY where 007 is able to perfectly apply clown make up and attire in a matter of seconds while a bomb ticks was a bit odd. However, it just so happens that Superman himself Christopher Reeve visited the set that day. Perhaps Bond had some help from the Man of Steel during his quick change?
Not to mention Bond’s split second quick change out of the gorilla costume in the train car, not to be spotted until he’s half way out of the trap door in the ceiling....
Possibly his hobby in his spare time, children's parties as a clown!
Well, Sherriff J.W. Pepper does appear in Superman II, so the two universes may be connected...
The bomb having a clock, and a count down has always confused me.
Just because its seconds in the editing doesn't mean its seconds in the story, this is not a plot hole.
Not only does Silva’s entire plan seem wacko, but his actual attempt to kill M is bizarrely underdone. He walks in to a crowded room with security, and uses a semiautomatic pistol? First that, and then the fact that he supports himself with only two henchmen.
I reckon he needed to get M on her own with little security. After his first meeting with Bond he believes that he could take the shadow of the agent (he thinks) Bond is and knows that should M be targeted, he would swoop in to take her to keep her safe.
Attempting to 'shoot' her was just part of the plan to get her to a place he can kill her more intimately. I think. Maybe. Possibly.
Would look pretty damn suspicious if he was carrying a full auto and marching in with a dozen cops now wouldn't it
@@derrickstorm6976 hows that matter when they kill security when they're goin in anyway
How could Silva have known so far in advance he'd be put into that exact cell with that exact computer controlled lock to be able to run a program to open it? I try not to think too much watching action films but everything about the Silva escape plan seemed completely ridiculous and took me out of the film.
Silva wanted to kill her publicly. He wanted to show how clever he was that he could escape captivity, walk into a crowded courtroom and kill M with an semi-automatic pistol. This is also why he pauses before he shoots her, he wants to savour the moment but he wants M to feel the rug pulled out from under her before she dies.
A few of the ones I’ve noticed:
• Whilst I love YOLT, I do find it hard to believe that no one in Japan noticed the SPECTRE rocket ship blasting off. Sure the island was remote, but surely the islanders saw, and surely the Japanese would be aware of what was in their airspace. Also that SPECTRE had superior rocket technology to both the USA and USSR, and were also able to hollow out a volcano (again, without anyone noticing) is very, very implausible. But I love the volcano lair too much to be bothered by any implausibilities.
• Bond investigates Kananga in LALD because 3 MI6 agents died. But why was MI6 investigating Kananga in the first place? His plot didn’t involve the UK at all.
• In TMWTGG, if Andrew sent the golden bullet to MI6, and wants Bond to kill Scaramanga, why doesn’t she say so when she first meets Bond in her hotel room in Hong Kong? Why does she wait?
• Also, why was Sheriff Pepper buying a car in Thailand?
• In TSWLM, if Stromberg only needed two submarines, why did he capture a third?
• How was Drax able to build an entire city in space without anyone on Earth noticing? And the fact that the US Space Marines can just launch into space at a moments notice is far fetched - space launches have to be planned a long while in advance.
• In AVTAK, Zorin tries to destroy Silicon Valley so he can have the monopoly on microchip manufacturing, despite the fact that many of the companies there are tech companies that would be buying his chips.
• M flys all the way to Bolivia to bring Bond back in QoS having lost faith in him, then suddenly decides “fuck the CIA, he’s my agent, I trust him again!”
You've given me an ENTIRE other videos worth material here, BenCol!! I will give you a shoutout if/when I get around to discussing any of these!! :D
@@calvindyson I would pay to see an entire movie explaining why Sheriff Pepper was buying a car (an American Motors car no less, which at the time was much more easily available his own home town in the US) in Thailand.
:-D I love that, especially where people don't notice stuff in Bond films (like YOLT's rocket launch and Moonraker's space community) Also Linda in TLD, so busy looking for a 'real man' she fails to notice a flying AND exploding land rover - either that or it was so far away that Bond managed parachute about 35km to her location albeit from an altitude no higher than a cliff
Brilliant. Now Calvin needs to make a part 2 of this video.
I kinda feel like Sheriff Pepper is exactly the type of person who would visit an American Motors showroom in Thailand
I kinda always thought that Goldfinger gave the briefing to the mobsters whilst fully intending to kill them to test the gas and also just because he enjoyed the sound of his entire plan in an overly pompous way. It's indicated when Bond says to Goldfinger "...I did enjoy your briefing. " and Goldfinger says " So did I ".
For James and Blofeld not recognizing each other in OHMSS, I've always viewed it as a 'You Only Live Twice' production mistake. In YOLT, James undergoes surgery to pass as a Japanese man; but then, as soon as he enters the volcano base, his face is back to normal. He is supposed to still appear Japanese when meeting Blofeld in YOLT; which explains why Blofeld doesn't immediately recognize him in OHMSS.
Racism in Dr No ("fetch my shoes, Quarrell), overt sexual abuse in Thunderball ("well, I suppose my silence could have a price"), yellowface in YOLT. Still all shown on primetime ITV...
However considering that Bond’s Japanese makeup disappears after he takes a swim I think the filmmakers intended for the makeup to have been washed off as a result
@@explorer806 it's called "back then"
All we need is a WB-style disclaimer that they do with old 40s cartoons and stuff
@@explorer806 If you're going to view every single thing that was done back then through 2020 glasses then you're going to find that things were much different and probably not going to enjoy anything made prior to 2015.
@@Flaccid_toast Just surprised they are still shown on TV without a "this film may reflect different attitudes to race" etc. warning which one increasingly sees these days...
I hope it's not too late to comment.
1) Regarding #2, I always thought Bond and Blofeld did recognize each other. Bond said nothing to maintain his disguise, thin as it was. Blofeld probably decided to play along for a while and expose Bond later in a cool poetic way. Thus, he set the trap when Bond was visiting ladies' rooms.
2) Considering Drax's plot to destroy life on Earth, I always wondered why the workers at ground control were so cooperative. They would have been destined to die like all others who did not blast off to the space station.
Regardless of a disguise Blofeld would recognize Bond in any disguise. Even if he wore clown or Zorro outfit.
In You Only Live Twice,when Bond is searching the volcanoes in Little Nellie,he finds nothing and reports that back to base,then gets attacked by Spectre helicopters,thereby raising suspicions there is something to hide!
From Spectre’s POV their reaction made perfect sense. 1) they didn’t know Bond had found out nothing, hence they couldn’t take the risk of letting him escape 2) they never thought Bond would escape the choppers they sent, hence thinking Bond would not live long enough to report his suspicion
I've always thought they could get around the Goldfinger plot hole by having Goldfinger tell his plan to the Flying Circus or Mr Ling's men instead of the gangsters. It would have made more sense as it is sort of a debriefing before the plan goes into effect, and Bond would still be able to keep up with the plot. You also don't really need the 5 min Solo death scene so with that change you have a much tighter story.
Very good point about the Flying Circus or Mr Ling's men! It would have been similar to what Drax does in Moonraker then I suppose. Agreed on Solo's death. Maybe at the time it was just a novelty to see a car being crushed? It's weird seeing that scene now.
I think Mr. Solo's death and mass-murder do a great deal to cement Goldfinger's personality. No need to junk them, just have the exposition to the Flying Circus, as you suggest, and then kill the baddies.
I think it has to do with the whole "crime doesnt pay" theme of the mid sixties. The way the story goes down kills all of the prominent mob bosses in the USA. Then bond does his thing and kills goldfiger. All the baddies die. Just a thought. Love the content mate.
Silva is like Joker in The Dark Knight. He gets away with things that are way too convenient.
TDK is a comic book and nothing is as stupid like Skyfall plot. I think Bane in the TDKR is more conveniet.
I don't understand how TDK continues to receive so much praise. The dialogue is either exposition or heavy handed monologues, the main villain gets away with his schemes because everyone is stupid, the film aggressively hammers in it's post 9/11 themes, and the story is nothing beyond simply waiting for an explosion to occur. I'd easily take Batman: Mask of Phantasm over any of Nolan film.
That's what hurts Skyfall, it's more of a TDK ripoff
@@ricardocantoral7672 Because MUH JOKER
@@ricardocantoral7672 there's nothing referring to 9/11 events...
There´s one that no one seems to mention. In From Russia with Love, Bond mentions that he was in Tokyo with M, and then in YOLT he says he´s never been to Japan. Maybe he lied.
I believe he simply lied in YOLT. Maybe their visit to Japan wasn't sanctioned (known) by the Japanese Secret Service.
The trip with M was meant to be a secret, to the point that M even cuts off the recording of Bond saying it.
lied or forgot maybe. Sean Connery was so bored and had bad attitude during filming that he didn't care.
@@klaudiagrob Yes, that´s one theory I´ve heard.
Re: Bond/Blofeld in OHMSS... I always just figured that, given Bond's effective vocal impression of Bray (some say too effective, but alas), Blofeld didn't want to immediately pounce on the guy in case it's just an uncanny resemblance. Bond's mistake with the tombs was when Ernst was convinced it was actually Bond. But until then, if Blofeld really wants that title of Count, he's going to play it cool until he knows for sure.
The pre-title sequence of Goldeneye is only part of a bigger plothole:
Hello, my name is Alec Trevelyan. My parents were Russians who collaborated with the Nazi's. After World War II, the British sent them back to the Soviet Union where they were killed by Stalin, so now I carry a grudge against the UK.
To get revenge, I'm going to work my way up in MI6. In that position, I could steal secrets or otherwise cause huge harm, but I'm not going to do that.
No, I'm going to wait until I get a mission to Russia, fake my own death, wait for the Soviet Union to collapse, become a bigtime gangster, and then use Soviet technology to steal money from London banks.
It's foolproof, what could possibly go wrong?
That isn't how it went.
MI6 recruited him because they thought he was too young to remember what happened, and he went along with it.
He later betrayed them by defecting to Russia and yes, did give them a bunch of British secrets.
He didn't anticipate that the USSR would collapse- he just became a gangster like everyone else was doing at the time, and he turned out to be very good at it since, you know, he's a Double-0 and has mad skillz.
It was only then that he and Ouromov hatched the GoldenEye plan, which quite possibly Ouromov only learned about after being made Head of Space Division and decided to give Alec a call about it, knowing that Alec is Janus.
Yeah, Trevelyan is my favorite Villian in tbe films. Goldeneye my fav film. Trevelyan is Bonds equal, in fact, he is Bond. Yes as said MI6 recruited Alec, and never told him, in a sense, betrayed him. And he faked his death with Orumov, but only when later, when Orumov became General, and head of spaced division, did the whole.Goldeneye scheme comec about.
Another plot hole in GE - Sean Bean was born in ‘59. Stalin died in ‘53. It’s very unlikely that Trevelyan’s parents were killed by Stalin’s regime. Certainly when there’s no evidence of Sean Bean being aged up at all in the film. He always struck me as being too young for the role, given Trevelyan’s back story.
Possibly all a result of the role originally having been offered to Anthony Hopkins?
@@BungleBare I heard it was originally offered to Alan Rickman.
However, it isn't a plot hole- They explicitly were NOT killed by Stalin. They survived those events and outlived his regime.
Then they had a kid (Alec), and at some point his father snapped due to survivors' guilt and killed himself and his wife.
So, assuming Alex Trevalyn is the same age as his actor, his parents probably died in the early 60s.
@@BungleBareIt wouldn't be too unbelievable for Sean Bean to be playing a character who is older than himself. Pierce Brosnan was born in 1953 but Bond doesn't look dramatically older than Trevelyan.
Nothing is quite on the level of Bond going on holiday and accidentally bumping into a massive digital bank heist, that also happens to involve his dead ex colleague.
Makes you realise that the entire reason Trevalyns' plan failed was because Xenia decided to have a car race with Bond.
If she just avoided him, he would never have learned anything.
Decaf Caffeine maybe he wasn’t on holiday after all? Maybe he was on a mission because mi6 knew something is going on with the Janus syndicate and the only link was Xenia so he followed her to Monaco and the psychological evaluation was just a bonus
I think it is considered valid story telling to have a coinsidence start the story. A non-Bond example: there would have been no North By Nortwest if Cary Grant hadn't raised his hand in the exact moment that the picollo was calling for Mr. Kaplan.
@@serciu No, he was there to be evaluated by the young woman. Xenia somehow learned he was there and got his attention, probably because she had heard of him from Trevalyn, and it was only after this and meeting her at the casino that he got suspicious enough to investigate her.
Jonathan Campbell clearly he smelt Alecs deodorant on Xenia.
I love your continuous uses of the Nightfire Soundtrack in your videos :) It was one of my favorite soundtracks of any media growing up and I'm so glad you're giving it a lot of recognition :)
HA! I'm always glad when it's noticed haha! To be honest, it just works very nicely as background music, more so than a lot of actual Bond scores which are often designed to punctuate certain moments etc. My memories honestly come flooding right back everytime I hear that Nightfire soundtrack!
I never thought of the fake killing in GE that way... It's such a good sequence, that it does not take you out of it when thinking about Treveyan's plan. Also: we get a shot of Alec laying down, getting pummelled by the barrels Bond shoots down. Surely that would've actually killed him, right?
For me, the one in TMWTGG is the most egregious, the rest I kinda don't mind. But that darn Hip driving away and those nieces looking back at Bond and calling out something... Why didn't he stop? Mind boggling.
I was wondering last night actually if the idea is that fake-killing Alec was for the Russian grunts benefit as well? Maybe just Ourumov and Alec were in on the plan given that what they were going to do was outside of the Russian government but then, that presents its own problems of how would they get Alec's body out of their with no one knowing etc...
@@calvindyson I'm guessing the plan was to capture Bond alive and have him report to MI6 that Trevalyn was dead. He complicated that by escaping and blowing the place up, but technically that part worked out.
It wasn't just Ourmov and Alec working together, because we're told that Janus is "connected up the wazoo- KGB, military", plus there wasn't really any reason for the two to know that the Soviet Union was on the verge of collapsing.
Most likely, the Soviets just wanted to make it look like 006 was dead so that the British would have no idea he was feeding them information, and Bond was the ideal witness (though they would still have killed him if they had to) and Alec could even have pretended that everything he told the KGB was actually Bond cracking under torture (similar to Die Another Day).
Then after the USSR falls apart, Trevalyn used his connections and skills to set himself up as a crime boss, and by hook or by crook Ouromov is placed in charged of the GoldenEye project and the two decide to get rich.
Esp as Hip's Nieces appear to be pleading with him to stop.
With most of the older Bond movies, you barley notice the plot holes. The same can't be said for the newer ones.
There's lots of possible explanations like he saw some other threat approaching and thought better to flee, but whatever the explanation none was shared to the audience.
Biggest plot hole: Bond ever being able to have sexual intercourse again -- much less within the same film -- following his brutal torture in Casino Royale.
I can picture her reaction.
"Uh... what's up with your nuts?"
"Oh, um... that's a birth defect. They've always been a little red. Also, don't be alarmed if anything that comes out of Mr Pokey is also red. That's... also normal."
"......."
@@almightycinder that's pretty funny
@@almightycinder lmao
For reals! He would have issues with a strong breeze, let alone the "jimmies" smacking the taint! 🍒💥
I mean, bond sure does have an awful lot of sex, and sure does have very few children. Might be shooting blanks as a result of that beating. Could explain a lot.
Imagine if they put silva into a cell with metal bars and a padlock. Cant hack your way out of that one
I always thought that Trevelyan wasn’t “in” with Ourumov until after the first scene. I assumed that faking his own death wasn’t pre-planned but what he decided to do after getting legitimately almost killed by an enemy. Guess I was wrong?
I think you are right.
Or Ouramov moulds Trevelyan while keeping him a prisoner?
With a shot to the head at point blank?!
I always thought Alec got his scar from Orumov firing gun at him. Later I realized it was from early explosion.
I don't think that what you mentioned about GoldenEye is really a plot hole: if Trevelyan had killed Bond, his betrayal would have been discovered immediately by MI6. On the contrary, the fake kill allowed him to keep his criminal activity secret until Bond eventually found out.
Excellent point!
I agree, I always interpreted Trevelyan's aggression stemmed from the damage to his face and when he caught up with Bond his death was exposed so Bond needed to die and that meant that Trevelyan had the opportunity to kill him as pay back for his face.
@@MrCarrera28 yep, no plothole. Calvin is spreading fakenews lol
That's the way I always interpreted it. But as he points out, it's really not too noticeable to begin with and hardly affects the film in the long run. I still have it high on my list, plot holes and all.
Of course it's a plot hole you just have ignored what he's saying. I fail to see how MI6 would have known 009 had killed Bond. They would have just assumed both agents died on the mission. When the General pretends to kill Trevaylan for whose benefit is he doing this? It can only be for Bond and so they meeded Bond to escape. But they certainly tried their damndest to stop him. And please explain why Trevalyan, now working for the Russians, allowed the chemical plant to blow up and Bonds mission to be a success. Watch this video again and rethink it.
There's another plot hole in the Goldeneye opening. It's not nearly as big but you can notice it fairly easily. After Bond bungee jumped off a dam, climbed down into a toilet, and went down a bunch of stairs, how did he end on the big mountain airstrip? I'm just nitpicking XD.
After all that he was able to freefall for nearly 30 seconds and get into a plane flying downwards, then pull it up, in the middle of a snow covered mountain range
'Embankment' Tube station in Skyfall is almost as bad, with the ticket hall being significantly below platform level!
There was probably a lot more sneaking around the facility that occurred offscreen
@@EditedAF987 yeah, they just cut out a 15 minutes slow moving elevator with muzak playing
In Spectre, why was Hinx trying to kill Bond on the train when Blofeld needed Bond and Madeline alive so he could them his "it was me all along" speech? Blofeld had even set up decorated rooms, specifically for them.
Mind you, finding plot holes in Spectre is like shooting fish in a barrel.
The same goes for Skyfall. If it was Silvas plan to get arrested and taken to London to work out his plan, why does he send people kill Bond before gets to his island?
Mikko Suhonen probably guessed that Bond would be able to get out of it. He is James Bond afterall
The Goldeneye one I always just chalked up mostly for Bond setting the timers for 3 minutes instead of 6 minutes as it was referenced later in the movie and that's why Alec did what he did. Still a stretch but that's how I always interrupted it... Great video and loving these different topical videos!
The one that I could never get was Sir Godfrey Tibbett in AVTAK going under cover as a chauffeur at Zorin's horse sale. If his character was such a well regarded expert on horse racing then surely there would be a pretty big chance that he would be recognized?
In Skyfall how did Bond survive being shot? The bullet could have killed him, the fall could have killed him and he could have drowned!
Because he's James Bond.
Real answer- it's very unlikely, but it's not totally impossible to survive those things. Key word is "could" have.
And who fished him out of the river and got him to a hospital in time. How did MI6 never find him? I'm guessing he was so messed up that he couldn't hide out till after he'd had hospital treatment. A bullet wound would def bring in the Police to investigate. I know, I know, it doesn't pay to unravel the chord.
I’m guessing in the script it just said “a bridge over a river” but when it came to scout locations they decided to find the most spectacular bridge they could find. Not saying it’s not a plot hole - heck, it’s bugged me since 2012 - but it’s probably a case of concept vs. execution.
@@jonathancampbell5231 no it really is totally impossible to survive that
it was a super bullet that rips your insides apart though shockwaves
the way he hit the water it might as well have been concrete
both the bullet and hitting the water would knock him out and thus even if a act of god had kept him alive...he will bleed out and or drown
He is also shot like twice when he is sitting in the digging machine.
The best plot hole for me is the one in Moonraker.
Drax has this weapon that is designed to wipe out all of humanity. In a lab, some of it gets loose and kills the scientists. That's basically a no-go zone at that point, quarantine and get the hell out of it.
But Drax just magically turns it into an office space as a cover from MI6. If it's so easy to get rid of that chemical, why should it even be feared?
If I remember correctly, doesn't the chemical vanish anyway after a certain time? I think that was the trick in the hole story, he kills everyone in a short time, the poison vanishes and he can return short time later with his perfect human race.
Although it might not be possible chemically, it makes sense if you consider it possible what Drax explained later in the movie.
How could drax have known that if it disperses in the atmosphere it will have any effect on anyone? There was no evidence he tested this. Rat poison is lethal, but i wouldnt be too worried if someone strapped a vial of it to a satellite returning to earth in the middle of the pacific ocean,
Here's a plot hole: NASA so would have seen Drax's space station regardless of whether or not it has a radar jamming system.
Everyone would have been able to see it! :-)
Michael Dudley
Yes. It would reflect light in the same was as the ISS does, and that can be seen with the naked eye if you know where to look on a clear night.
not to mention anyone with telescope
God, the opening of part one of this reminded me how great the Frozen Lake scene in Skyfall is.
I wish the tube timetable was that good
I agree Silva's plan doesn't really add up, but the train derailment was not meant to kill Bond, it was intended to create a diversion for emergency services so that he could attack the hearing. Another one I've always wondered about is what happened to the Soviet submarine crew in TSWLM?
I’m glad that Calvin gave a pass to the OHMSS plot hole. I agree with him that even though it’s a plot hole when it comes to watching the films in chronological order, when you watch the film on it’s own it doesn’t affect the story so it’s never bothered me. However, I should point out that I might be biased because OHMSS is my all time favorite Bond film.
I always found it funny that between the quirky gadget-laden entries, Peter Hunt was like "lol I'm gonna make an actual movie here"
8:35 ”Purely because I couldn't concentrate on her face." 😂
That one piece of footage you inserted from Skyfall reminded me, that I really like how fast Craig's Bond disarms his enemies. He's an excellent close-combat fighter. I don't have much to say about the plot holes. I was going to say that maybe Blofeld is a code name, but you beat me to it.
When Bond and Hans fight in YOLT, Hans gets against the wall but does nothing to prevent Bond from grabbing the key to blow up the Spaceship
Also, how did Bond know about the piranhas in the pool ("bon apetite") ?! And where was the camera that is focused on the Spectre spacecraft?! So many questions!!
And why didn't Blowfeld or his men spot Bond in the crater and fire the machines guns at him as they do with the ninjas not long later.
@@matthewjay5483 Where does Bond's Ninja Gear and suction cups from? He didn't have it when he climbed out of the water. If it took Bond and Kissy all day to climb the volcano (they set sail at first light, and it's night by the time they reach the top), how come she can run down in seemingly a few minutes, and swim away quick enough to bring the Ninja's back not long after?
@@andrewchapman4267I wonder if it was the same camera that filmed the helicopter with giant electromagnet 😃
I wouldn't give Skyfall any passes. I often wondered why is this movie so "beloved". It's one big plot hole and since Casino Royale Bond movies have been becoming worse and worse.
you took the words right out of my mouth
Exactly right man, there's good things in it but it's really pretentious. Bond films should never be handed over to auteurs like Forster and Mendes. Also, most of the really "intelligent" things in the film like Bond being irrelevant and his injury were done before in GoldenEye and The World Is Not Enough respectively. I think one of the reasons it's so lauded is because it was an anniversary film and the four year gap. Not gonna lie, I loved it and saw it on the cinema twice. But with every rewatch, the cracks show.
Agree x1000. The only things I liked about Skyfall was how it set everything up for the following movie to be great (it wasn't). Excellent origin story of Moneypenny, new M and Q. Other than that, I despised everything else. I am happy to admit that Casino Royale was good as a reboot to the series, but everything since then has just been garbage. Just like Pierce Brosnon before him---the actor as Bond is fine, but the movies around him mostly suck. Honestly, the last Bond movie I liked from start to finish was probably The Living Daylights. (I liked Goldeneye, but I did not love Goldeneye.)
I am endlessly confused as to why any actual fan of 007 would like Skyfall (a title so stupid it would be like titling Citizen Kane "Rosebud"). An opening scene where Bond is shot, then shot again, falls from a moving train into water, is NOT rescued by MI6 but just kinda floats away and heals himself somewhere before returning to work to protect M--whom he utterly fails to protect so she dies. Also Bond's car and childhood mansion are blown up. Yay 007! On paper, it is even worse than Die Another Day. On film, it certainly looks better and is better acted, but as a movie that is part of the Bond franchise, utterly terrible. Even forgiving the plot holes, the plot itself is the worst of any James Bond movie.
Yes the movie is stupid through out. If Silva wants to kill M, why do this unplausible plan. How did he plant all that explosives in MI6's HQ? Bond gets shot in the digger and a couple of seconds later no signs of that.
absolutely agree.. skyfall is crap
The OHMSS plot hole makes more sense if you watch Diamonds are Forever first, since it sets up the idea of Blofeld changing his appearance and voice as well as having decoys in his place.
But Bond is out for revenge in Diamonds from what happened in OHMSS.
@@TequilaToothpick That's only implied, never stated.
In "Goldeneye" I always thought 006 Alec Trevelyan was a good agent, and on the same page as Bond, and only went after Bond for betraying him, and allowing him to die. The pothole for me was how he didn't die, but my explanation for that is the Russian general, who also survived the facility explosion, kept him alive for questioning, and eventually partnership.
I always assumed that Blofeld knew the entire time that sir Hillary was 007 in OHMSS and was just playing along.
Re. Goldeneye, I never thought Trevelyan and Ourumov were working together in the opening scene. Trevelyan does far too much damage for that to be the case. My interpretation was that Ouromov meant to kill Trevelyan but only wounded him in the side of the face, hence the scar. Trevelyan survived but felt let down by Bond for not doing more to save him, which, combined with his background, led to the later determination to get revenge on him and the UK. Potentially Ouromov groomed Trevelyan into this as he saw an opportunity when Trevelyan survived.
Re. MWTGG, I just thought Hip had assumed Bond had got in the car when he heard him slamming the door shut. He only glanced over his right shoulder so perhaps he thought Bond was back left. And the adrenalin was pumping so hard after defeating all those guys at the martial arts school prevented his nieces from making much sense and Hip from understanding them :)
It stands to reason that Ourumov knew that Trevelyan and Bond would destroy the facility. Why would he give a damn about a chemical weapons plant ? He was in this scheme for the money and he didn't care who or what was in his way.
The scar was from the explosion, not the bullet
There is no explaining why Hip drove off without bond. His neices were clearly trying to say something to him.
Great video! I’d agree with your pass and fails, but I may be being too lenient, i tend to get too wrapped up in the film to really critique the logic that much! Also, my granddad was George Baker who played Sir Hilary Bray, and dubbed George Lazenby when he was undercover. Ian Fleming actually wanted him to play Bond before Connery was cast! So fun to see him in your video! Hope you’re doing well and keep producing great content!
You may find this surprising Calvin but your videos are nice and relaxing to listen to when I've had enough of work and want to unwind. There's something therapeutic about hearing someone else say exactly what you felt about a particular thing; in this instance, Bond films.
If I remember correctly, in the German dub of TMWTGG, Hip says something like "I first have to bring my nieces to safety" before driving off without Bond...
Ok, that makes more sense, I can sleep now
Should just be a video devoted to Skyfall. As good as it is, it has more plot holes than any other Bond film.
To be honest, it was a stretch to only talk about the one plot hole... As you say... It's riddled!
Calvin Dyson yes what about bond getting shot and falling off a bridge and not dying... and even the title sequence it shows him sinking like drowning. This is the first film I watched and didn’t know it was just a pretty video w a song and actually I thought he was dead and was so confused
Skyfall is just so damn enjoyable and well made, that I dont care for its plot or logic issues.
"As good as it is". In what sense is Skyfall good? I don't know why they even pretend to have a plot in the recent Bond films. They're just a load of glossy travelogues and action sequences stuck together. Looks great but more like a long pop video than a movie.
@@explorer806 I like it enough, wouldn't be one of my favourites though. Every rewatch, it kinda goes down. For me, the only truly solid Craig film is Casino Royale, probably due to Martin Campbell's steady hand.
Thunderball always bugged me because the whole inciting incident is based on the coincidence that Bond just happens to at the same spa that the dead pilot is brought to. I can't even remember why the dead guy was even brought to the spa, but it never made much sense how Bond was brought into that whole story
"I have no idea how you can make this make sense" - surely this should be said for most of the Moore era lol
SmoothSoulLover true
Silva’s plan i find he might not of been able to pull of in real life and I just find it hard to believe that he was able to plant explosives in the right place. All that out of the way sky fall is one of my favorite bond films and always will be.
A series of explosive charges around the tube network and a remote trigger with a limited range would mostly explain that part of the film.
Plus if Spectre were involved with Silva, they could somehow be tracking his movements (hacking CCTV at tube stations etc.?), to get people near to him at the right moment. After all, who’s going to suspect anything if they see a “policeman” using a radio in central London?
The film Spectre’s added explanation of Silva being connected to the organisation Spectre actually makes Silva’s escape a bit more plausible; it would have amused Blofeld/Oberhauser to have assisted someone who’s aim is to kill the head of Bond’s employers, and would also have been a useful training/logistics exercise for Spectre. Even if Silva wasn’t an actual member of Spectre, I get the impression if he’d asked for assistance with a plan to kill Bond’s boss then Blofeld would have been all ears.
Great job Calvin! Although I will say that you could have mentioned the plot hole on how 007 figured out Vesper was going to be kidnapped by Le Chiffre in Casino Royale cause that part always confused me every time I watched it.
"Possible way of pouring some contrivance cement in those holes ..."
There’s a gaping hole in every Bond film if you include the aftermath of the love scenes... just sayin
Oh my god I spat out my water reading this!!
Brilliant
Oh Behave!
Well, that boosts Tomorrow Never Dies as Bond actually doesn't bed the leading lady.
Henri Blanche facs
Just a quick shoutout Hip in TMWTGG is the most useless partner in the bond franchise
i think Ckuck Lee from AVTAK would give Hip a run for his money - at least Hip has Kung-Fu nieces and let Bond stand on his shoulders.. all Chuck Lee did was get get strangled by May Day 😂... Luigi in FYEO is another useless one..
Hip survived so I say bully for him?
Carter from casino royale Madagascar scene takes that position 😅
@@youknowmyname9606 actually this is true lol
As far as Ouromov's gun being "fake" for the first shot at Alec, and real when he shot the other guy, that's easy enough to explain. The gun would've been real but the first shot would have presumably been a blank (a special cartridge with powder in it but no bullet, meaning it makes the loud bang but is mostly harmless), and after that it had real bullets. Being a Brit, you might not be familiar enough with firearms to know about that, but it's certainly possible to do. ;) Of course there's still the problem of why Alec didn't just kill Bond, but I'll leave that answer to fix fic writers.
The Man With the Golden Gun's plothole is especially head scratching because all they had to do was edit out (or reshoot) Hip looking back before driving off. Then everyone can assume he thought Bond got in when the door slammed shut, which is why he drove away. Problem solved.
or ouromov's missed alec head but both alec and ouromovs planned to make look from the Angle Bond would appear to be a kill shot
@@Payload82 I'd have trouble buying that someone with Bond's experience would be fooled by that. Especially since the bullet would have to hit somewhere else and would make a noise. It's also kind of risky if you don't have complete trust in Ouromov's aim...
Also in Goldeneye: Bond bungee jumps off a dam into a canyon to enter a base, and then constantly walks down multiple staircases, going further underground, but after 006 fakes his death, Bond runs outside the base on the top of a mountain to catch the airplane.
Silvas plan required Q to completely ignore forensic protocols. Always work from an image of the laptop, and always work in a sand box...
Skyfall kind of reminds me of the Dark Knight Rises, in that they're two of the best big-budget films I've ever seen but both have severe inescapable plot holes.
When I saw that goldeneye was on number one I thought that you were going to talk about the elevation plot hole
Yes! I’m glad I’m not the only one who is bothered by this.
I once calculated that where Bond originally bunjee jumped from would be close to the height of mount everest
Good video as always Calvin. Other plot holes to consider-
1. Casino Royale- Mathis The Double Agent/Not double agent thing.
2. Spectre- A massive explosion doesn't interrupt the DOTD parade.
3. Casino Royale- Bond gives a different password for the money at the start of the mission than the one he enters into the keypad at the end.
4. Die Another Day- Gustav Graves is Colonel Moon is absolutely impossible.
5. DR No- Is it possible to kill someone with a tarantula?
6. Thunderball- Why doesn't Angelo use the planes ejector seat to escape the submerged plane?
7. The Man With The Golden Gun- No way Bond could have put the Bond dummys clothes on in the time he had.
8. Spectre- Why does Hinx attack Bond. Blofeld/Oberhauser wanted him to get to his lair.
9. Skyfall- One injury is referenced on Bond but he actually suffered two. The shrapnel wound and MoneyPenny shooting him. He surely couldn't survive both AND the fall. He would be unconscious.
I will say that letting Bond live at the beginning of Goldeneye was the real intention... He'd report 006 dead which would allow Travelyn to exist in the shadows and off the grid. "You were supposed to die for me" line is hyperbole and for dramatic effect.
There's 2 that stand out to me hugely from the Craig era.
1) Vesper knows NOTHING about poker. To be clear; a staff member sent by the treasury to judge whether to re-stake Bond (and potentially fund terrorism) is selected despite having no idea how poker works. How is she supposed to make a judgement as to whether Bond is deserving of the re-stake? Also, Bond went all in with a hand that would win 99.9% of the time, so Vesper choosing not to re-stake him is stupid anyway.
2) Silva's whole escape plan in Skyfall. Chiefly though, the fact that Q (a certified genius) is reckless enough to plug Silva's laptop into MI6's servers. Has he never heard of ransomware?!
Edit:
Obviously Vesper not knowing about poker is used as an expositional tool so that Matthias can explain to the audience how poker works, but it's still a plot hole in the context of the film.
Also, Bond being "the best poker player in the service" isn't a justification to allow him to risk up to £15million of the services money that could potentially be used for untoward purposes. Why don't they hire a professional poker player to play? Or at worst a high level amateur?
The hiring of a professional poker player was actually addressed in the ‘67 Casino Royale. Evelyn Tremble (Peter Sellers) was recruited by MI6 for that reason. At least initially.
@@BungleBare It's hilarious that CR67 is more plausible on that note than either Fleming's novel or the 06 film.
Vesper being unwilling to restake Bond was probably under orders from Quantum. Remember, she informed Le Chiffre of his tell which caused him to get wiped out in the first place
Bobby Harrop It would also be incredibly boring for Vesper if she doesn't know what's going on. But yeah, sending someone who doesn't know anything about Poker is ludicrous.
Basic Security aside, I still don't understand why Q had to plug the laptop into the servers. He was just examining it. It's as inane as MI6 receiving a suspicious package, and opening it in the middle of their kitchens as lunch is being cooked. I bet the laptop wasn't even PAT tested.
So yeah, Silva has the supernatural ability to know Q will have a Brain Fart.
The bigger question to ask in Casino Royale is, why are we playing poker at all?
It's established that le chiffre already lost all the money when bond stopped the plane explosion, he is already desperate which is why he's setting up a high stakes poker game to win the money back.
Wouldn't it make more sense to arrest the guy, who we already know is guilty, before he has the chance to win the money back?
I always viewed Goldfinger's assembly and killing of the mobsters as a means of avoiding payment for the supplies necessary for Operstion Grand Slam. The speech revealing his plan is more interesting, in that it shows how truly arrogant Goldfinger can be and how proud he is of his life's work. He takes the time to explain everything with a detailed model knowing full well that he's going to kill everyone in the room momentarily, which adds to the character and shows his level of true evil.
Hey mobsters. Wanna see my bigly plan? It’s a great plan. The greatest. The kind of plan only a true genius could come up with. It’s time to make crime great again!
Jolly good video old chap. Jolly good
You should do a video on the best chase sequences. Haven't seen that before. Perhaps best Bond scraps or boss battles ranked 😄
I always just assumed the shot that "killed" Trevelyan was a blank, or it was real, but intentionally missed and shot off to the side.
Yeah I always thought that but then why didn't one of the guards shout out "You missed you idiot"! to Orumov in a Russian accent!
My problem with Skyfall is that a lot of those contrivances did bother me already on my first viewing, so while I can acknowledge the work put into the film and understand why a lot of people love it, I personally have a hard time really enjoying the film, especially that escape sequence.
Very much understand your perspective. If you're not enjoying the film anyway then the plot holes would only be more annoying.
Skyfall is very influenced by The Dark Knight, and I had a similar problem with that. The Joker and Silva's plans are just too intricate and contrived., just for the sake of making the villain look intelligent and superior, at the expense of plausibility. I don't mind a villain who knows everything going on, or can orchestrate lots of different things, but when you see the process played out in both films it's a bit silly.
Unpopular View: The biggest James Bond plot hole is the entirety of Daniel Craig's dreary soap opera as "James Bond" (I put that in quotes since he seems nothing like James Bond to me, more some short, sulky and fugly Russian henchman masquerading as 007).
From what I saw in a 101 facts James Bond video, the actor change in OHMSS was suppose to be explained by plastic surgery. It was set up in YOLT that plastic surgery was used to make Bond look completely different (I know the makeup is not great) so it makes sense. The script writers probably had this in mind when adapting the book, so that is why Blofeld doesn't recognize Bond.
Imo the biggest plothole is that bond got his double o's thrashed in casino royale and still remains incredibly promiscuous.
He recovered but became sterile as a result he could still get it up but at the cost of fatherhood
I wouldn't call this a plot hole and more of a nitpick. In Goldfinger when Mr. Solo is being driven away from the ranch with his gold bullion in the boot of his car. Oddjob kills Mr. Solo and takes the car to the scrapyard where the car is crushed into a cube and then Oddjob takes the car back to Goldfinger's ranch to remove the gold bullion from the cube. Surely it would make more sense to just remove the gold bullion from Mr. Solo's car then have the car crushed rather than take it back to the ranch to remove the gold from a severely crushed wreck.
Also, the crushed wreck started out as a much larger vehicle than the pickup that Oddjob later returns it to Goldfinger with. The weight of a limo (it’s only been crushed, not lightened in any way) would have broken the suspension on that pickup in seconds - if it still moved at all it would have been dragging its arse up Goldfinger’s driveway, its poor engine wheezing its death throes as it strained to move all that weight.
Agreed and to add to that I always wondered why the crushed cube wasn't dripping with Mr Solos claret!!
Other plot holes that are a bit more glaring:
YOLT: Even in the present day we don't have self-landing rockets, much less so with the accuracy that Blofeld seems to have. Also, the energy emissions from the rocket launch would completely incinerate the entire base and all the people in there. Also, I'm fairly sure that an active volcano is not a great place for an underground lair (much less so if they are launching rockets?!). This ties in with the previous point, but a rocket launch would be ample enough energy to cause that volcano to erupt.
LTK: I never really understood the involvement of the ninjas. Much less so that they intervened when they did. They shared a goal with Bond of killing Sanchez, so why not just let Bond do it - they could even then have deflected the blame his way.
Moonraker: obviously there are a few obvious examples here: pigeons (to the best of my knowledge) can't double take 😂, space wars can't just be initiated immediately (and possibly at all). Also no way did Jaws make the jump between those cable cars.
Another point is that there is ZERO chance Bond wouldn't have passed out on the centrifuge and potentially even died. The human body, even in the most adapted fighter pilots, can't tolerate much more than about 5-6G without some kind of protective gear. The centrifuge was accelerating substantially faster than that.
Goldfinger: firstly the fact that Pussy Galore suddenly changes sides to allow Bond to foil Goldfinger's plan, but then rejoins Goldfinger to help him make his getaway. At the golf club we see that Oddjob's hat slices through a statue, so when he throws it at Tilly it would logically have decapitated her, but instead it just seems to bounce off her?! Also, when Bond fights Oddjob (and this is probably true for several henchmen fights) he definitely would have broken multiple limbs, but yet shows no signs of this. Also, Oddjob is manhandling Bond, he doesn't need the hat to win the fight - why turn his back on the enemy by unnecessarily going for the hat? (Red Grant is guilty of this to a lesser extent in FRWL with his obsession with using the garroting watch rather than just shooting Bond).
DAD: MI6's background checks failed to flag up that Miranda went to Harvard with Moon (and not only that, but they were on the fencing team together). That alone is enough to compromise her and rule her out from any case involving Moon, Zao or any of his other accomplices.
TB: Count Lippe is assassinated for failing to foresee that the NATO pilot impersonator would demand more money for the job - this seemed harsh. I can understand killing the guy himself, but Lippe hardly deserved that outcome.
Spectre: this whole movie is one big plot holes 😂
Those were just a few from the top if my head. But tbh we can find plenty of holes in every plot if we look hard enough, most of them don't detract too much from the quality of the film
I think the Spectre rocket had a crew didn't it? Hence why Bond tried to board it.
Well the LTK one is explained after they capture Bond; the ninjas were Hong Kong Narcotics, they didn't want to kill Sanchez they wanted to get inside the heart of his drug operation..alot a vaild points though good shouts
@@alwaysOPEN4business ah it's been a while since I watched LTK and forgot about the ninjas motivations!
Spacex land their rockets pretty accurately tbh. But yeah everyone would be killed in that base from the exhaust
Those ninjas are just terrible. I have no idea how this got into the movie. Imagine how many people must have seen it was utter bs and noone said a word.
Silva's escape is the Dark Knight effect. The Dark Knight pioneered the villain getting caught on purpose, and did it so well that major blockbusters started copying it. Avengers, and Star Trek into Darkness did the exact same thing. All for the effect of demonstrating how much in control the villain is, just poorly thought out on closer inspection.
I loved the ending clip you added to each of the 6 Plot holes. Laughed each time. Ok. So, GoldenEye is one of the best, but that pre-title sequence is full of issues. You named some. There is another. The PHYSICAL ELEVATION. Bond drops thousands of feet into a valley floor and the next thing we know he’s in a lab ON TOP of a mountain. Then Bond falls several more thousand feet to catch that plane. What?!?!
I don't know if this is a plot hole but I was struck recently when watching Octopussy about the attention to detail that Bond goes to when he is putting on his clown makeup. He even goes to the effort of putting a tear on his face.
You'd have thought that with a huge bomb about to explode he wouldn't be concerned about the fine details but he really goes to town on his clown-look.
Then again in the same film he gets out of a gorilla suit in record time, so maybe he is just a master of changing costumes at break-neck speed!!!
Yeah I've always wondered how the hell Bond got out of that gorilla suit, his eyes were in it one second, Gobinder turns to get a sword, turns around and stabs the gorilla suit three seconds later and hes out the hatch at the back of the carriage!! James David Copperfield Bond!!
Because Ourumov shoots Trevelyan before he shoots the soldier, could he have loaded his pistol with just one blank and a bunch of live rounds? I don't know if it's possible to mix and match ammunition like that.
It is. But another simpler version is that he just fired the live round right NEXT to Trevelyan's face - heck; it might even have added to those scars Trevelyan then later added to with Bond's too early explosives
@Blokewood3: In reality, no it is not possible to mix and match blank and live ammo. All firearms that auto load(semi automatic, or full automatic) like the Markarov PM Ourumov uses must be blank adapted in order to cycle. If a gun like a Markarov PM has been firing blanks, it is literally impossible to start firing live rounds. The blank adapter (which restricts the barrel down to anywhere from 50% to 75% of the original barrel interior) would have to be removed or else the first live round would blow up the firearm.
@@user-si9fx4xb6v thank you for that answer, I don't know very much about guns. I guess that means this is a plothole after all!
I always thought that fake killing Trevelyan was a coincidence, Orumovs mistake, and after that they had a talk with Orumov and figured out that nasty plan of theirs
No, it was planned. Trevalyn betrayed MI6 and was defecting to the Soviets. He then turned to crime and became a successful gangster after the USSR collapsed, like so many ex-KGB did in real life.
In DAF when Bert Saxby tries to shoot Willard Whyte - when it was Bond talking to Blofeld impersonating Saxby.
I love that Saxby does his own handiwork. And doesn't send a sniper. He also positions himself in the open of a desert, and fires upwards. He deserved to be fired.
I;m not sure if these are plot holes but here's some i've seen
1. Live and Let Die solitare turning on bond at airport then goes back to needing him
2. You only live twice turning Japanese. Why? they still try to kill him meaning it didn't work.
3.Goldfinger he says he needs to seperate his gold from mr solo but why not just take it out before crushing it?
4.Goldfinger Tilly and Jill masterson are pointless to the whole movie. at the end it's forgotten about.
5.Goldfinger if killing Mr solo was spur of the moment why is there a car waiting at the scrap yard?
6.Goldfinger bond and pussy crash into the sea but they somehow parachuted to dry land?
7.You only live twice how did bond know he needed the suction cups?
8.you only live twice the building of the volcano.
9. you only live twice. it takes bond/kissy hours to get up the mountain but she was able to get down and alert the ninjas?
10.Thunderball What ever happened to the guy who saved them?
11. Dr no: bond being the hero actually caused more damage by causing a meltdown on Jamaica and other countries.
12.Diamonds are forever: they have Peter Franks fingerprints on file but not a photo?
13.the man with the golden gun. scaramanga's house is powered by solex before he stole it?
14.A view to a kill the whole plan doesn't make sense.
15.Die Another day what happened to the pilot?
Just watched Die another day and asked myself the same question regarding the pilote of the Antonov!! Surely he would at least run back to the cockpit after pressure almost destabilized the plane. After all, isn't that why Miranda interrumpted her fencing practice in the first place?
Love your content as always. Tried to push myself through a 'Die Another Day' viewing last night and I gave up 1/2 way. Brutal.
The Aston Martin with gadgets in Skyfall really bothered me. It would have been better to be without gadgets and tie back to Casino Royale and how he won it in a bet.
It's always bugged me about how chipper Felix Leiter appears to be at the end of Licence To Kill. You could say that's a minor quibble, but when you think about what he's been through in that movie, it isn't at all!
And thinking about the Dalton era, in the beginning of The Living Daylights, why has M chosen to set up his entire office complete with desk, trinkets and paperwork inside a cargo plane on a live training mission?
And doesn't consider opening the hold will blow his confidential papers out over Gibraltar.
-Getting a "Needle" put in your Brain and still functioning as Normal
-A "Ice Hotel" and being chased by a Convertible in frozen conditions. Nevermind that entire... Movie !
-The whole Movie..."Skyfall" (Pssst by the way "Overrated")
-"One Shot" Bond shooting explosions. Every Bond Movie...
-Underutilizing "Mr. Hinx" he could have been a Main Villian in any Bond Movie. Not just a Henchman. Imagine him as the Main Villian in Quantum instead of that Wimpy Dude...
*Note "Casino Royal" nearly perfect. Had nothing wrong....*
Also in Goldeneye, why did Bond start at the bottom of the dam and end up at the top of a mountain without going up anything inside the facility?
When Calvin first mentioned Goldeneye this was what I was expecting him to pick on!😂
Another small detail that was overlooked in Skyfall is that every single member of the Police force Silva passed (that wasn't in league with him) would be able to immediately recognise him as a fake and try to take him down. The reason for this is that the real Police are required to have short hair (or tie it back into a bun of some sort) to avoid anyone pulling it when in a situation where an officer is trying to arrest/restrain someone.
Apologies if this is already well-known, but I have only just noticed that Telly Savalas' right ear is not pinned back in some of the shots where they only intended for you to see his left ear.
The thing I don't understand about the goldeneye intro sequence is that Bond does the bungee off a big dam to get to the weapons depot, but then the depot is clearly seen to be on the top of a mountain. Topographical inconsistency!
I've never thought of the GoldenEye thing as a plot hole... I feel like it's pretty well established that Alec and James are genuinely friends or at least get along well enough. Doesn't Alec later even say he considered including James in on his plan? I don't think Alec's intention was for James to die, even though he says so later. I always took that as nine years of bitterness over the fact that James set the timer wrong, nearly ruining Alec's plan and probably nearly actually killing him. I always assumed the plan was for James to be a witness to Alec's death, and that there probably was something planned for James to get a chance to escape, but that plan went out the window when the bomb went off earlier than planned. As for Ourumov shooting Alec, I assume it was a blank not directly aimed at his face or a real shot deliberately missed.
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For me, plot holes don't bother me most of the time, I just accept the story. Especially Silva's escape plan. An explanation attempt from my point of view: His henchman know what to do, what the goal is. They know where Silva is, they execute while he planned it (in many possible ways). Who said they wouldn't have tried to kill M on her way out of the meeting if she would have finished earlier? He knew her appointment beforehand, he knew which way he had to go. Maybe it's unlikely, but not impossible.
I don't think I have to mention that I love Skyfall sooo much. It was the first Bond I saw in cinema and I immediately fell in love with it (I saw all the other movies before that on DVD). The pace, the music, all the actors (name one that performed bad, I don't think you can), the sets, locations, it's just the perfect movie for me. There's not one scene that bores me... And now I think I have to rewatch it although I have probably seen it about 70 times already 😊
For number six, Silvia’s plan is much more complicated. Silvia’s plan includes a terrorist attack forcing MI6 to relocate to a bunker not used since WW2, Bond and MI6 knowing that Patrice would be in Hong Kong, have Bond kill Patrice and get the casino chip and know to go to Macau, Bond somehow meet Severine so she can take him to Silva, and once Bond meets Silvia, have Silvia taken in by MI6 only so he can escape.
The reason Goldfinger explained everything to the monsters before killing them is simple. He just wanted to. It gave him pride and amusement.
-Goldfinger I like to think he wanted to see the gas working firsthand before implementing a plan that clearly gets his rocks off.
-GoldenEye Orumov could've had a blank loaded for Trevelyan and the rest were live rounds (though a blank being fired point blank will still cause horrible damage). Plus Orumov telling his men to "Hold your fire" multiple times is his way of hopefully letting Bond escape and report Trevelyan's death. He even pauses before saying "You'll blow the gas tanks" which makes me think he had to think of that excuse on the fly to not look suspicious to his men or Bond. It's a stretch, especially when Trevelyan says later "You were supposed to die for me" but this logic makes GE's pts much stronger for me.
Cannot disagree with any of this. I'm glad my favorite Bond, For Your Eyes Only, didn't make the list, stainless-steel delicatessen and all.
For years when I was a kid, I thought dead Plenty was in the same pool as she fell into from Bond's room, and she morbidly had been left there after dying on impact. I know we see her not dead in the pool, but I always forgot that! I always found Diamonds to have an odd atmosphere, and that just added to the surreal-ness.
Lana Wood as Plenty is lovely, but her addition into the story beyond er....production value, is needless. Her coming back to the room is bizarre. Doesn't say much for Bond's skills if she can get in the room, and witness him and Tiffany without him noticing. Or hear her going through Tiffany's bag.
Plenty is an odd character for the film to spend any non-visual time on, but you nailed it, DAF has an odd, whimsical atmosphere where the numerous plot holes add to the goofy surrealism. It's a favorite of mine and few other people I know, but not one to hold up to analysis.