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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- A revelation of the darker side to Walt Disney's character looking at his racist, anti-Semitic, misogynist tendencies which finally led to a pathological hatred of communists and an active particpation in McCarthy's House Committee on Un-American Activities.
Truth is.. these animators would be nothing without Walt Disney, he sat down and made sure everyone did everything right. He put pressure on everyone, he was the master mind everyone else was just living his dream.
i always knew walt was on some petty shit! and he couldn't even draw lol
I know I'm a bit late, but you have no idea what it meant to be a self made American man in his time. You haven't the slightest idea.
@@BabsChannel
Weelll..can you dispute he couldn't draw?
...but Disney did know how to draw the best artists in the country...🎨🖌
With all the negativity in all of Disney and his studios,thank God I been brought up on Hanna-Barbera cartoons all my life.
u see him draw that pentagram?
Pentacle*
Wiccan sacred geometry.
I'm just glad things have changed.
"If Disney was truly as bad as people say it is the company would crash by now. No one would buy, and boycotting would go crazy."
So you're telling me that any company that's ever done terrible things has been boycotted out of business? Fascinating.
Disney marginalized the credit of the animators. Check the credits of a Pixar, Dreamscape or any CG film these days. It is always the actors, producers, directors, gofers (go for this, go for that), and then finally the artists and animators.
The saddest thing about Walt Disney is that almost everybody (Especially Teen Celebrities) are being possessed by his evil spirit. A lot of them have become bad just like Disney. Maybe even worse like Aguilera and Lohan for instance.
Thank You Gabby.
You're missing the point that he was like Steve Jobs: he took the credit.
god these need to get more popular
The fact that Disney testified against commercial rivals and his on employees for what amounted to federal 'protection' and wouldn't countenance a fair deal for his employees in terms of workers rights and pay does tend to signify a hard unyielding streak. This is documented, its not just peoples opinion. On the other hand though it appears he was a devoted family man who did have a sense of wonder about the stories he wanted to tell, especially in the early years. The man was a contradiction.
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"I had him on loan from Disney. The best part is, they work for peanuts"
- R.K Maroon (Who Framed Roger Rabbit, 1988)
I never got that reference until just now...
At that time, most companies in America were mostly male-dominated with women providing smaller support roles. There were several prominent women within Walt Disney Productions, well before WWII made women the backbone of the American workforce. In speeches made to his employees on February 10 and 11, 1941, Walt observed that women artists could fully equal their male counterparts, and were being included in his studio animation training program
Well, but Art Babbitt (who was jewish himself) never claimed that Disney was antisemtic, so I don't think that these rumours are true. But it's true that Art Babbitt made many allegations towards Walt. Bill Melendez talks about that in a four hours long interview, which is available here on UA-cam- this interview is really very interesting!
We've all had our share of bad bosses. Just because Walt was a good business man does not make him a nice person, and without all the artists working under him, he wouldn't be nearly as famous as his is now.
And besides, signing your name under another person's drawing is stealing. It's not right.
Reminds me of Stan Lee
Fantasia is one of my ALL time FAVORITE movies.
I think these workers have no idea that this man risked all of his money to create this company. Most workers and customers never have the balls to go for their dream, so they hitch a ride on someone else's. Don't complain. Do the hard work it takes to start your own company.
Reminds me of the situation with Sting and The Police. Andy should have received that Grammy for "Behind My Camel".
:c Can't believe they didn't show the Part or "Sunflower" in Fantasia...Or "Fantasia - All Censored Scenes - Pastoral Symphony"
Look her Up...You'd be surprised how Walt really was, and was towards those with Color. It's really sickening.
Man, what a bunch of whining. Some of the artists thinking they were more responsible for the success of the movies than Walt?? There were plenty of studios attempting animation, who had access to the same animators as Disney. They all failed. Disney had the judgement and talent to push the studio and it's employees in the direction it took, and the success it experienced. He was not the nicest guy to work for apparently, but he sure was the smartest.
Geez, all these comments defending Disney against accusations of racism and sexism. Wth is wrong with people. If you couldn't tell from the movies, Disney was racist. And it doesn't mean you can't still like the movies, but one can enjoy art and still be critical of it's problematic aspects.
Most people have no idea what it is like to go out on your own and start a business.
If you look at the documentory "walt the man the myth" you see the hardship and the expense that walt disney went through to start and maintain that company.
You Damn right his name should go on the work. If it were not for his sacrifices they would not have a job in the 1st place. He came out of his pocket to send them to school.
They carry the Head Coach off after winning the superbowl. Not the players
Love this movie. I watched it with my Mom and brother.
"Good humored picket lines" ......WITH A GUILLOTINE? Now THAT'S funny!
If you're seeing the part about the Oscars, you should know, back then, they give the award to the Film/Short's Producers. Now, they give it to the Directors, with the one at 2014 given to Both.
I believe a transcript of the his meetings with the HUAC would show that he at least claimed to not be against unions, but rather against what he saw as forceful communism.
Now I suppose one could argue he was lying about not being against unions, but I suppose one could say this man who seems to be the only one speaking out strongly against Disney was lying too.
@edwardo44 cont:...and very little credit ever given to individual animators. I don;t remember individual animators that actually did the work being bought forward in the promotional literature and films of the time. Like in the reluctant dragon doc its all Walt. And it was malcious of him to report his colleagues as communists in that way, when it simply wasn't true. I am quite prepared to believe there were similar union disputes going on a the time but that doesn't let Disney off the hook.
@BelatedCommiseration Don't forget the strikes were against all the film studios at the time, it was mainly against the film industry, Walt wasnt melicious he was surprised because he treated his workers better than anyone else in the industry did, the standard was low, Walt did better than everyone else which is why he was shocked it happened.More workers who worked with him say positive things than these 8 people.thousands of Disney workers praised him in the end if you want to play numbers.
@BelatedCommiseration He was the face of the company, he was the political figure representing the company. It's the same thing Barrack Obama coming out and saying he authorized the mission that brought Bin Laden, people said he was taking credit but he was the face to speak to the people. Walt Disney doesn't need to keep awards that don't have his name on them it's useless. But politically and promotionally I see no problem in being the face of the studio.
Well, Universal has stolen his "Oswald, the Lucky Rabbit"... Well, he has stolen that credit all over his life; but in many productions he was very much involved in the process, he always had the last word. So in some way, it were "his movie. There was just limited creative freedom for the artists; Walt had always to agree.
@J5MARLON More Iconclast
Pat Sullivan credited for Felix the Cat over Otto Mesmer
Walter Lantz-Woody Woodpecker over Ben Hardaway
Fred Quimby-Tom and Jerry over Hanna-Barbera
The Fleischers-Betty Boop over Grim Natwick
The biggest sin-Eddie Seltzer accepting Oscars over Chuck Jones, Friz Freleng, et al
@edwardo44 cont)...who pushed the boundries of animation. I invisage Disney as a conducter of an orchestra, who may not have knowledge of every single instrument but knows how to get them to play in harmony, and I think this was the idea the man had of himself. Without Disney's drive towards better animation, we would not the standards we do, or animated films. For that he deserves praise, but not as some aseptic 'uncle walt' who wouldn't hurt a fly when this was blatantly not the case.
Anti-semitism isn't what most people think.
Plenty of anti-semites are perfectly willing to work with Jews, are very pleasant with them, even say they like them, as long as they don't act TOO Jewish.
@BelatedCommiseration Actually Pinocchio if you even look at the Academy Award archieves for the 13th academy awards it is credited under the composers not Walt Disney. So I'm not sure what you are talking about? Now racist?? what about Song of the South? he was advised not to make that movie because black haters of the 40s would be out raged and he still went through it. Again he had every right to report his suspicion, they weren't his colleagues they were back stabbers. He needed them out.
@BelatedCommiseration He said "I think they are Communist" honestly I would have thought too, and went and said that too. Because that strike later was said to be Communist funded, and one guy even admitted taking Communist funding and said "I was not a Communist but I was happy to spend their money" So he really does have reason to think that. If Disney was truly as bad as people say it is the company would crash by now. No one would buy, and boycotting would go crazy.
@edwardo44 Yeah...but the disney strike is a documented fact, and Walt himself enacted malicious testimonials against people he had a grudge against at the House un-american activites commission. Also there are more than 4 people speaking here. There is even Walt Disneys biographer speaking. The photage of the strike shown is genuine and obviously shows more than 4 people upset with Disneys way of doing things. There are very few surviviors who actually worked with Disney left to speak today.
@BelatedCommiseration Also the thing about the Oscars is false go to the academy award archieves you'll see he took awards for animated films, and most were credited as "Walt Disney and the United Artists" He didn't win anything for "background design," to say he did is pure slander. Walt never denied the riots, and to some extent he wasn't proud of turning in those animators. But it's openly admitted and talked about, it's not distorted or hidden like the facts in this documentary.
@edwardo44 cont)...repeated enough times by people around at the time that is no basis on which to make a judgement I agree. But when Disneywaddled up to collect the Oscar for pinnochio, for best music score (in which he ahd next to no involvement) did he even acknowledge Leigh Harline, the true force behind them? No. Did he even acknowledge him with an in house award? No. In fact he left because at the beginning of the strike because he couldn't put up with the conditions Disney imposed...cont)
@edwardo44 Please don't get me wrong. Disney was a great marshal of talent. He created a studio from the ground up and had an eye for the best and demanded the best. If it hadnt been for him some of the marvels of disney studios would never have existed. But at the same time he was not the cuddly 'uncle walt' image he would have had you believe. I agree the accusations of him being racist, particularly against jews, could very well be hearsay. Although you hear these allegations...cont:
@edwardo44 cont)...shows Disney as being the 'master animator' sitting next to drawing utensils, story boards etc, when the man couldn't even draw! He admitted this personally and it is bought up here. Disney described himself as an 'ideas' man, but billed himself as a master animator. Hell, he didn't even draw Mickey Mouse! It was Ub Iwerks! Now, despite the fact I am saying quite a few negative things, I do respect Disney as a driven man who, despite his lack of innate talent,.....cont)
@BelatedCommiseration What will you credit them for?? "cool 10 second story board sequence" ?? These guys worked as a team and Walt was their captain, he was their leader and coach he got them to work together. The most dominant influence in the films was infact, just as John Lasseter is Pixar for films today. And you know honestly Walt Disney was threatened and he didn't lie he quite literally said "I heard they are communist" He didn't lie about anything technically speaking.
Yes but these " disgruntled Disney artists " and PC critics had no problem cashing the checks did they?! ...If the animators wanted the Oscars why didnt they scare up the money and start a studio of their own like he did? why because its hard as hell!
BTW People might be suprised at how many BIG artists dont do ANYof the work that bears their name, and many of them didnt have the story telling talent,vision or BALLS that Walt had. Walt was alright in my book!
@BelatedCommiseration Walt Disney was pretty near perfect in his old age, when he "cleaned his name" he truly was "Uncle Walt" in his later years. When he was young he was ambitious, passionate, protective, inexperienced, and worried about this sudden responsiblity on his shoulders. When he grew up he was more in control, I don't think he was ever a bad person. I think he made mistakes but I don't think he truly blossomed until after the war. And again he literally said.. cont)
@edwardo44 I quite agree, people wouldn't buy or go to see Disney films if Walt was really 'that bad' but thats what a media machine is for. To whitewash and manipulate the truth towards other ends. Disney certainly learned this craft when workig for the Government in propaganda films, although I think he was pretty savvy to the art of spin anyway. I agree Disney was the face of his comany and would always have needed to be present at awards but all the promotional literature ....cont)
yes he took the credit,,but the the cartoon film was his idea.
Okay. You can't believe everything you hear. Was everything said about Michael Jackson true? No! One of the accusers recently committed suicide and wrote a note about how the accusations were false. Disney was a good man. He was also a perfectionist. What he did, for that day, was still more progressive than everyone else around him. And you just give him crap because he's an important public figure.
If it hadn't been for Disney, the animation would have never turned out that great. He inspired his animators and was a genius. Btw, I work in animation, was always a big Looney Tunes and Peanuts(Bill Melendez) fan and probably wouldn't have like Disney in person. I still have to give him credit tho. Most people who diss him don't even know what they're talking about.
That's total bullshit about Walt getting the Oscar for work he didn't do. Excuse me but the company Walt Disney produced the movie. Has anyone ever seen the Oscars? EVERY movie/short film that wins the Oscar for best picture has the producer going up on stage. I know an animator who did a complete animated short by himself. He even composed and played the music. His short film won an Oscar but the producer went on stage to collect the Oscar not the animator who did the whole movie.
I can see why they looked back at Fantasia with disgust
Back then they didn't have to name every person who helped with the movies Seriously how many people stay for the credits? I really don't care who catered the movie or the assistance people.And it was/ is Walt Disney products studio company what wherever it's called now so yes Walt Disney is on everything
is left eye is falling of his face at 5:53
Bill Mendelez seems like a really petty, whiny guy.
Jordon Veatch is that supposed to be a complement? he was actually a nice guy
5:50 Alright but jeez, no need for psycho mug shot with the sinister music, he didn't kill anyone. lol.
@edwardo44 From what I have heard, and not just here which admittedly does dwell more on negative aspects of Disney, they praised him more of his commitment and hard work more than anything else. Now these are laudable traits but Disney has also been described as a puritain and a control freak. And not justin this doumentary. Notice how, and I am quite willing to accept he didn;t claim to do the background design, the name Walt Disney was on everything.... (cont)
I haven't watched the whole documentary.
I will say though that he seemed nervous when I saw a video of him once testifying.
and so I wonder if he was being completely honest. But it seems many of his employees admired him for a long time. I think he really was a bit worried about communism, whether rationally or irrationally. It seems to me that he wasn't just against strikes at all. Seemed to really think it was all just communists forcing stuff to happen.
@edwardo44 Like I said about the racism thing, I am not saying I believe it as it is hearsay and as you say there is song of the south and the small world exhibit at Disney (which some purists may argue reinforces cultural sterotypes but heigh ho probably not intentional). Yes the composers are listed on the archives but Disney collected the award, its even shown here on camera! He made sure his was the only real face of Disney. The testimony to the house un-american activites....cont)
@BelatedCommiseration Which documentaries did you watch??? I have never seen one documentary bash him so shamelessly like this. This is pure slander. Watch "The Boys: The Sherman Brothers's story," "Walt: The Man Behind the Myth," "or Walt & El Grupo." You can find these on this website or netflix if you have an account. These are true accounts of Walt Disney. He was a genius to say the least, even Einstein admired him. To put it lightly Walt Disney was a miracle for the modern world.
I'm skeptical of whether he really was as "mean" as some of these people seem to imply. Why is it that it seems most of the criticisms and stories come from about one or two people?
Most of them are probably dead or super old now. This was almost 25 years ago
what was the problem with fantasia? =S
1:43 funny, a supposed "Non" Mason drawing a pentagram 🤔
We all know he was evil as hell, in more ways than one.
@jc201091 Meh. Even if that is true, wasn't he ahead of many other Americans of the time? I mean, he was one of the first people to really start being concerned with environmental issues. And he founded CalArts, an institution which trains students in progressive and experimental arts. I understand he wasn't pefect, but isn't he better than a lot of people give him credit for?
Why couldnt they just quit, if he was so bad? Thats pathetic that they would go on strike as opposed to quitting.
+j19527 they were exaggerating over him and were probably jealous of him, if what disney is a idiot then all of them were too
+j19527 and by the way all the animators in the strike are all decreased in are probably in heaven all of them and walt forgiving each other
The strike was extremely important. Wages were all over the place at that time. I work for Disney as part of the screen cartoonist union and it is crucial that the large studios are part of the union. It protects a guaranteed minimum wage, provides a pension and health care for the workers. I dont know how old you are, or how much you know about working as an animator at major studios, but you dont seem to get why the strike happened and why it needed to happen.
RedTango The strike was deliberately exaggerated. That is Socialist Workers Party propaganda 101.
You forget that people compete. If they pay a bad wage, they will leave, and the company will go out of business, because no one is willing to do the work.
That's why white people leave their jobs to be given to minorities. Now-the minorities are wanting higher wages. Figures.
White people solve the problem by quitting, Minorities feed the problem by staying and demanding the company give them their profits.
Which will then in turn cause the government to subsidies the business's so they will stay in "business."
I don't "forget" anything. I work for Disney. As for the rest of your rant, I don't know WHAT your point is, but it makes no sense. Bye! Muting you now.
Wait, you mean the producer's name was the main name associated with the film?
Can you name a film in which this doesn't happen?
This documentary appears poorly compiled.
@jc201091 Oh. Makes sense.
Consider the sources of information, both sides, and make your best judgement. That's what I was taught.
Lmao @7:54 what happened to walt being a family man and only having an eye for his wife? Guess not huh but he's a. Man so....
i liked Fantasia. Why they aint proud of Fantasia? It's visually beautiful and we were taught about music in my elementary class by watching that movie. The centaurs were my favorite even though it had Sunflower in it but it kind of makes me mad that Disney company tries to erase it by cutting those scenes out of the dvd version. it happened and it was horrible but don't act like it never happened.
Typical user and abuser that used other peoples works and talents for himself...
This isn't really fair to Disney. It's true he didn't animate himself, but all the animators, even the ones who left, admitted he was a huge part of their creative process and sat through story meetings and discussions all the time. A lot those animators confessed they couldn't have done what they did without his guidance and encouragement.
He was the only producer at that time who actually appreciated the art of it and tried to educate people about it.
William Craig they were overreacting to him because they were jealous of him and the fame he had by not drawing the movies he made but he still produce them as well
+William Craig Kenneth Muse , Edward benedict , Raymond patterson , Donald patterson, Preston Blair, Bill Melendez ,Jack Kinney and John hubley were all idiots who were all jealous of walt. i hope they all burn in hell for the disney animators strike of 1941 and chuck jones who joined the strike along with art babbit who worked with disney in the 1930's and 1940's and bill tytla .
Geez, get a grip. Not all of those people left because they didn't like Walt. Tytla was one of those animators I mentioned who acknowledged Walt's help, even after leaving.
Also, the fact that Chuck Jones supported the strikers didn't mean he hated Disney.
He wrote letters to Walt back and forth for years afterwards, and visited Walt before he died. He disagreed with Walt on politics, but Walt was still a hero to him. Lighten up!
+William Craig WHAT ABOUT WALT KELLY
What about him? He didn't even participate in the strike - he left of his own choice, and I'm glad he did, or we wouldn't have Pogo.
Walt was an amazing man, eccentric and innovating... One has to make some compromises when working with a genus,,,, He was also a great leader, any of those employees could have quite at anytime, however they stayed to follow as he blazed for them a trail like no other !!!
Less than a min of praise, and the rest is all defamation to gloss over the fact that this doc is defaming disney.
The problem is you just don't get it. Even Melendez recognizes the importance of Disney. Disney might have been an asshole but it doesn't change the fact how he influenced animation and how he is responsible for the high quality his studio produced. All his top animators acknowledged this(the Nine Old Men). The world isn't b&w. Chaplin was an asshole on many levels as well but it doesn't change the fact that he was a genius.
I've been working in the business for more than 2 decades.
OMG they decapitated another man! OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG
Fantasia was tacky in a few spots. But it's a film way ahead of its time. It's ambition was vast (6 channel sound system in the early 40s -Hello?!) and conceptually it was an *interpretation* of music. Therefore it's wide-open for subjective disagreement. When Melendez says "It's like we lost our mind".. "How did we overlay a bacchanal over Beethoven's 6th", etc, he's parroting the critics of the day who were insulted by having the classics being "infused with Disney banality". It's a stuffy reaction. It relegates animation to "low art". Melendez knows better. He's just on the war path.
These are the few that didn’t like Walt. There’s a reason he’s famous and loved.
xXKierra BinghamXx These are the few brave that stood up to a tyrant.
Notice only like 4 different people talked here?? You know how many people who worked with him over 2000, most would say the opposite.. so are we going to take the words of 4 people? or everyone else who said the exact opposite? let's not be idiots now. This is pure slander, and it's hatefully biased and factually inaccurate.
I'm so glad Disney was in the time of history that he was. He would have never a made it in this day, in the feel-good times we live now. Oh no! Somebody's feelings might get hurt!
@edwardo44 cont)...commission was heard years after the strike. The so called 'communists' did not bring down the studio and either carried on working for Disney or left of their own accord. Yet Disney was still intent on trying to blackball them and make them unemployable. Even years later when they were of no threat to him. It was revenge, pure and simple. Disney was not perfect, I can allow he might be human enough to give into such traits....cont)
Communists did and do deserve to be blacklisted in this country, as they are a threat to our form of government. Get it through your thick head.
@@xman777b Sounds like you drunk the CIA cool-ade on this one babe ;) The CIA and your own military industrial complex are a bigger threat to your freedom as an American than the commies ever were.
seems like a smear piece. i've seen other documentaries where women were hired to higher positions (1950s) when it was just not done. a black hired to be one of the creators of a story (again not done). a jew was in charge of marketing merchandise for decades. not very balanced at all.
@@BezalElle you must be young and not know what the 40s and 50s were like. disney was far from perfect. he was a pal of j edgar hoover, hated unions, extreme anti-commie (but remember, stalin & mao were the top commies). opening the door just a creak is better than slammed shut where it usually was.
@@BezalElle this 2020. what is one suppose to say?
I knew Walt personally and he was only mean to the blacks, Jews, and Indians.
He was SO kind to everyone else though! Love him.
lol nothing but propaganda.