The Evolution of the Survivor "Safe Vote"
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Discussing the history and strategic evolution of the "safe vote" strategy in Survivor.
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Argumento limpio y persuasivo. Demuestras la estrategia del safe vote convincentemente. Tus video ensayos tienen las lecturas más rigurosas de Survivor que haya visto. Buen trabajo.
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I feel like the Samoa case was slightly different than a regular "safe vote"; yes they were playing around an idol but they were also banking on the vote going to rocks, in which Natalie would be safe and there's a 4/7 shot of booting a "stronger" Foa Foa or Shambo.
Right. Most of Galu (i.e. not Fincher) was intent on going to rocks, so Natalie isn't a good example at all. I suppose it is true that they should have targeted her or maybe Jaison or Mick in the previous round instead of voting for Russell.
@@bigbuffguy9589 I don't blame them since they fought that with the idol clue in possession they thought there was no way Russell could find another one without the clue I think they just got blindsided so I don't dunk on the Galu tribe other than the fact that they managed to blow a 8-4 advantage to the other tribe which shows that winning challenges don't always lead to you getting to the FTC.
In Ghost Island we have another example in Brendan elimination, despite Michael attempt to tear down that plan
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The psychology around the safe vote is amazing and you explain it very well.
Thank you! :D
The jefra vote was an example of Trish's gameplay. Not Tony's
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Stacy Kimball needs a lot more credit. She deserves a second chance.
The first time the safe vote was implemented was technically in Survivor Panama: Exile island when Aras wanted to vote off Sally because he was worried that Terry and Austin had such a good bond that Terry would pull out the super idol and save Austin. This bond wasn't as strong between Terry and Sally since Terry wanted Sally out the Dan vote and she would've been sent packing if she hadn't been sent to exile island. This isn't exactly a safe vote though because a) it wasn't a regular idol, it was a super idol, and b) this plan wasn't even implemented. Austin ended up being the first juror and surprise surprise Terry wasn't a dumb ass and he kept his super idol that he never even had to use because of his big immunity challenge streak. Geez, if only he had won that final immunity and taken Danielle or if only Danielle had taken Terry. We would have seen a great winner being Terry. At least he got a second chance.
I'd like to make a counterpoint in regards to the Worlds Apart Final 12
Nobody in the majority alliance had a serious alliance with Will before, so they didn't know whether or not he could be trusted to vote 8 strong. Because of this, they couldn't ensure a 4-4 split, they could only count on a 4-3 split, with the other alliance potentially having 5 votes.
Even though WE know that they were safe by splitting, that doesn't mean THEY knew that they were safe be splitting. If I were in their shoes, I would've been wary of Will as well.
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Nate Dillow he and yaoman were the only redeeming parts of that season.
Quality video!
Sometimes the "easiest" moves are some of the hardest to explain, and you really got to the bottom of this concept. Looking forward to more analysis!
I agree! There's a lot more to be said than you might imagine. And thank you!
@Kelly Lieber If you're in a majority alliance but the minority has an idol, the "safe vote" is essentially putting your votes on a weaker member of the minority so as to minimize the chance of your votes getting negated by the idol.
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With South Pacific, I'm pretty sure Jim was right that Upolu were going to target Whitney, but Cochran spilled the plan to them, and then they changed the vote to Keith.
Yeah, Cochran really screwed him over.
Peridiam in all fairness I wouldn't stick to a tribe where they were being assholes to me.
The odd part about Cochran's move to me is by voting off his own tribe there I don't see how he thought he could win the game. It almost feels like he cared less about winning than about screwing over the people who were mean to him. For such a superfan of the show this philosophy of his was bizarre. It only makes it stranger that he later went on to win a different season so surely he knew what it took to win.
BrettMKW I think it's because in S.O he'd lose no matter which side he chooses, cause he's at the bottom either way you slice it
There were people that wanted to take Cochran to the end just because they thought he was a goat. I know for a fact Jim wanted to take out Ozzy as soon as Savaii had the numbers to do it. I don't think there's a good chance he wins or anything but I don't think it was precisely zero either (which is what it was as soon as he flipped.)
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I miss Hannah Shapiro and her trust clusters.
Well Jen from world's apart is underrated. Everyone just forgot abt her famous idol play.
“Like an Pagonging, goats, or trust clust-“ that was just great.
The first time a Hidden Immunity Idol made it's appearance was Guatemala (Gary found it at final 9 and played it).
The first instance of a "safe vote" was when Cao Boi (Cook Islands) had a dream about "Plan Voodoo". He wanted to split the vote between Candance and Jonathon. He was voted out that night instead. It was a smart plan, but Yul and Becky didn't want to follow thru!
FundipYoshi yes, but he said the hidden immunity idol in his current form, the idol on Guatemala was played before and in the next two season it was played after the vote he never claimed the HII was introduced in Fiji
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I love your videos. Can we have a video about the car curse or top 5 biggest controversies on survivor
Or the evolution of the split vote? like how Cow boy invented it but he got no credit for it
cagayan was TRISH’s move, deserves more credit
Trish deserves more credit period
Tony could not have won Cagayan without Trish
I tried to block South Pacific from memory but I do believe that Cochran told Upolu that Savaii was giving the idol to Whitney which was why they definitely didn't vote for her. But someone can correct me on that if I'm wrong, but would've been interesting to see if he hadn't.
Yes, this is right. Cochran was a double agent, so that's how they knew.
Cochran told Sophie about the plan Ozzy had to get back in the game and get Cochran to play double agent and be on Upolus side and to her that Ozzy would play the idol for Whitney so I wasn't surprised that the Upolu alliance voted for Keith instead.
Wow great video! Made me remember how important Fiji is in Survivor history. Can't wait for more!
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But wasn't the first 'safe vote' orchestrated by Rob when 6th place Christy was voted out.
Now sure, there were no idols, and ye the reason why this was a safe vote is a bit diff than the concept of only one side choosing the next next best option. But I feel it actually makes alooot of sense to be listed there.
Sidenote: Love the videos, they give a fresher perspective to certain mechanics than how Jeff Probst usually likes to annoyingly make certain stuff feel corny (I really hope you do an episode on that xD) Also like the video edits
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Technically yeah, voting out Christy was a 'safe vote', but I'd argue Rob's move was more about taking out the swing vote and removing uncertainty moving forward. The move I outline in the video is basically all dependent on idols, which like you said didn't exist at the time.
Thank you for the compliment! I really appreciate it. Top 5 Corniest Jeff Probst Moments incoming!
Peridiam haha, if you do you have to include him ranting on the hard on he has for ciera... Didn't you know "SHE VOTED OUT HER MOOOOOM"
(ps i actually think she was great her first season, and a decent player in her survivor career just how jeff describes it)
Or how jeff likes to make seasons/moments seem as though theyre metamorphing inti something way deep. Than it actually is like last tribal (survivor 35 1st jury boot elimination)where he went on how it seemed as though they were going through a familt like emotional. Roller coaster in the. Hour or so there is of tribal. Idl this is really a recent thing he's been bothering me about survivor in general trying to make it seem like there's some bigger picture to the show.
Already subscribed! Dude, you're analysis of the game is so far fetched that you should be one the content creator of Survivor.
Dude why don't you apply for the show? Or have you tried this
I used to watch every season and episode of survivor and then I started forgetting when it was gonna come on so I haven’t watched the latest 2-3 seasons
Oof
sarah going home in Cagayan?
Bro you’ve actually got enough Clout in the Survivor world having collabed with Russell, I think they would let you in the show man. It’s worth a shot
As I watch this video, the latest survivor seasons AU and US voted out the big physical threats.
Shaun AU 4
Joe Island of Secrets.
Hmm... a reversion?
Wow the unified safe vote in Millenials vs Gen X is so parallel to what happened in the most recent episode of Winners at War. I wonder if anyone (particularly Sophie) considered not splitting the vote on account of not trusting Tony.
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Parvati figured out she was not targeted because Amanda told her to play the idol for herself and she knew she couldn't trust Amanda. Just wanted to point that out
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The Hidden Immunity Idol first appeared in season 11 Guatemala.
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Alpha Male totally got voted out at the Ghost Island merge 😂
I love this video. But I can’t help but notice you left out one very important safe vote. In Cambodia, during the second merge tribal, the safe vote was for Wentworth. They even put 9 votes on her. But like the bad ass she is, she played her idol and got Savage out with 3 votes. Actually, this is kinda like Jenn’s vote in World’s Apart. But it still should’ve been mentioned
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What about the Dolly vote in Vanuatu?
This happened on Ghost Island
Rob perfected the safe vote in HvV, not Redemption Island, but one rogue straggler can mess the whole plan up, as we all saw. It's way harder to pull off than just a party line vote, and more risky, because then you give power to someone at the bottom, who can just flip a vote and totally shake up the game. Takes supreme trust to pull of the safe vote.
I still find it ironic that the person who messed up the split vote got voted out due to a idol play.
Interesting video. I love these
Omg good video!
Dammit Julie McGee!
You should make a video about the top underrated moves, possibly from older seasons. Some examples that come to mind would be Jenna and Rob blindsiding Christy as the swing vote, the first power swap against John in Marquesa, and Jon's survival of the final four by pitting Darah and Lil against each other.
Jeff? In S25
you missed in game changers when sierra was targeted as the least likely to receive tais idol at the infamous double tribe tribal. sierras tribe guessed that that was the other tribes strategy, causing sierra to be given the idol
wait i'm correcting myself. sierras alliance might've been told by JT who the target was and that's how they knew. i think.
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Villains should have targeted Danielle in the vote where they targeted Russell and Parvati.
Danielle had Individual Immunity at that tribal though. She was out of the question
@@mohammedsabir1669 No, Bosten Rob did
@Iuta Fiapule I know, its pre merge. They did the each tribe goes thing.
I think there is going to be a blindside tonight other wise this season is a bust
Boston Rob is the worst.
Wasn't what Yau was saying near the end of the vid a mistake? Something that could have let on to the Horsemen that Edgardo was the target?
Most likely by todays standards, but back then the move had never been pulled off before, let alone spoken of, so I don't think it changed much. Clearly none of the horsemen got the message.
Peridiam They did the same thing on the same vote, though.
The horsemen? IIRC they targeted Cass not to avoid an idol but because she was the glue in the alliance.
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