Check out more epic Sufism vids on Seekers: ua-cam.com/play/PL_7jcKJs6iwVlsj4eCjvj-DJDLo-wZEeN.html 00:35 Introduction 02:11 Live with Ihsan 05:33 Ihsan’s Story and how he received his beautiful name 18:05 What is the inner dimension of Islam? 20:07 Are we all striving after the same unity? 21:23 Proselytism vs harmony? Do we need to convert each other? 23:25 Balancing religious individuality and integrity with religious pluralism and universalism? 30:04 How was Ramadan during Corona? 33:21 Internalized religion vs Religion on display 36:35 Is there tension between the body and soul, the spirit and the law, of Islam? 39:42 Do you find any tension between the internal and external in your own practice? 42:44 Is God conceptualized differently in Sufism vs ‘Orthodox’ Islam? 46:45 Ihsan’s personal spiritual practice 53:43 The inner, psychological experience of Zikr | Forgetting the self 56:42 Escaping from the self 59:20 The Paradox of a UA-cam channel about Egolessness 1:05:37 Transforming Religion | Be the way 1:12:09 When to find more of Ihsan 1:14:23 Final words
Cousin as in mr Ihsan is from tribe Pathan and Pathan are known to be the outcast children of Israel. And Alexander is Jew of Israel ? What a coincidence
I also felt the light brother Ihsan is talking about emanating from him the first time I watched one of his videos. I knew IMMEDIATELY that he was the real deal. Some of Mawlana’s light definitely rubbed off onto him and it still shining bright. I completely trust that man.
You don't watch the news, I don't watch TV at all. This is a great discussion between two good men talking peace! That doesn't happen often enough. I am really glad I found this channel and will now check out Ihsan's channel. Thanks again for everything.
It gives me great joy to see a Muslim and a Jew have such a deep wonderful conversation, it gives me hope for humanity and for that I give glory to God. It also encourages me in my own spiritual practice. As one seeker to another, may I ask, what is your thoughts on mixing different mystical paths? Or rather what is your thoughts on using different aspects of different traditions in personal practice?
☺️ So glad to be a vessel for that joy, hope and encouragement. Thank You to the One who seduces the formless into form. That’s a really great question. As a fellow seeker I have the same question and don’t have any hard and fast answers to be broadly applied. I think we each need to ask ourselves with questions like these, what will bring us closer to God, closer to love, to kindness, humility, service and respect and what will bring the world closer to redemption and salvation. With love, Zevi
Glad the name resonated with you. Ihsan in Urdu means beneficence or favor. This is what religious discourse should be like. Beautiful conversation between you two. Finding unity between different faiths.
Thank you for this conversation. It came up in my feed when I needed it on a spiritual level. I can feel the quiet right now. I will definitely check out his channel on Sufism as well. I love how Universal lessons are at the heart of our traditions. Encountering the Divine isn't something that comes from us, but from the relationship between the inner and outer. The Soul/Presence of God seems to be experienced in a Unity between the Transcendence and Immanence. This could be focused on in an intellectual way to its limit, but yet people in different positions/levels of seeking may pick out specific ideas of codification and have a compulsion to take an egotistical/vanity/elitist inclination without realizing “the universal can be found in the particular” as you said, Zevi. ❤️🙏
Thank you for this insightful conversation. I’m so glad the UA-cam algorithms showed me this video / channel. I arrived here having watched some of Ihsan’s content on Sufism. I am entering (for the last 20 years) via the Daoist vehicle/ practice, one could say, and coming to see the mystic root / source of all these ‘religions’. Let us not forget the Daoist path of cultivating stillness and the inner-work. It was a beautiful surprise to me to find a perfect description (instruction) of that process but from the Sufi, Kabir: still the body still the mind still the voice inside in the silence feel the stillness move
Thank you so much for this interview. It really resonates with me. Specially the last part about getting ourselves out of our on way. I always linger between doing things and not doing things since ego gets in the way.
Salam. Thank you for a lovely conversation between two seekers and harmonising personalities. May The Lord grant love, faith, wisdom and light to all... Ameen
Thank you for this state you put me in with this heart soothing conversation. Just looking at both of you fills the heart with God's love, beauty and peace.
Thanks for such a great podcast, got yourself a new fan. i am sufi aswell and ihsan alexanders wisdom has helped me Alot over the years. P.s i hear abit of an australian accent in your voice? Am i right :) keep up the good work. Mashallah
So many fine points discussed - light, love, beauty, peace, unity amongst Christians, Judaism and Islam, humility and self denial yet being willing to share and do what needs to be done for the benefit of others. Though we may be different in some ways - I am believer in Christ as the Son of God, and i believe the eventually recognized Jewish Messiah - there are so many universal truths that we share in common and can be a strong link toward a common peaceful brotherhood.
As someone who came from an Orthodox Christian background I find it very difficult to embrace different perspectives of God. This was a helpful reminder that people at different stages need to think about God in different ways. I remember Vivekananda talking about that as well, and, of course, his teacher Ramakrishna: "When I think of the Supreme Being as inactive - neither creating nor preserving nor destroying -, I call Him Brahman or Purusha, the Impersonal God. When I think of Him as active - creating, preserving, and destroying -, I call Him Śakti or Māyā or Prakriti, the Personal God. But the distinction between them does not mean a difference. The Personal and the Impersonal are the same thing, like milk and its whiteness, the diamond and its lustre, the snake and its wriggling motion. It is impossible to conceive of the one without the other. The Divine Mother and Brahman are one."
Very good job, you are very open minded I enjoyed watching. Especially combining your tradition with other tradition make your Chanel original and very interesting no ego just love and thank you it is very refreshing we need more people like you and god bless you!!! Keep up the good work 🌸
Thank you Jam! This conversation with our Sufi brother Ihsan was wonderful to have and I’m glad the beautiful message of unity reached you. Ego death, aka fanaa (in Sufism) or bitul ha’yesh (in Kabbalah) are important parts of all the mystical traditions of the world and something i believe all of us seekers should strive for. Much ❤️
Seekers of Unity, thank you for responding I really appreciate your work, I always believe that the good wins over the bad and your Chanel is a proof of it. One of biggest wish is to see unity between all traditions more we know each other better people we become 🌸
Great conversation. As a Catholic that practices in the Byzantine tradition and who has studied philosophy and theology, I wonder if he could comment on the role that philosophy played or plays in the development of Islamic or even Jewish theology. In Catholicism, the philosophical elements of neo-Platonism are particularly evident in mysticism and of course, Aristotle heavily influenced Aquinas. I know that the Muslim philosophers Avicenna and Averroes were highly influential in the diffusion of Greek philosophy in the Middle Ages. So I wonder what role philosophy plays in Islamic theology or philosophy?
Both the letter of law and the spirit of the law is incredibly important. We are individuals, differents thing motivate us to worship and belief, and to do good. I am hanafi school but do dhikr allot, in the night particular, wake up for tajjud prayer but then do dhikr and reflecting on life and Allah swt, how He works and my holding myself account, to connect to Allah swt, it calms my heart and soul. Working on my character. Specially being a woman, it calms and sooth my emotional state, it helps me disciplining my heart and nafs, so I am less reactive to events. Its helped me allot alhamdullah. I do feel I attained sakinah tranquility in my heart and soul, its a feeling beyond words.... fullness, complete satisfaction. Its gotten me through soo much, I feel like I am in debt to Allah swt because of it, I will never be able to repay Him (swt) for it, even in the chaos of life, in the back of my mind I feel everything is going to ok, I have Allah swt, I have everything, I will in His loving embrace at the end of the day, I am in safest of hands...
Thank you for this wonderful podcast and I need to add Zevi that you need to share, you need to speak (imagine if all the great philosophers or mystics didn't speak about their life experiences, our lives would have been so much poorer) and do it with your heart and from your heart, deep down you know the truth, you just need to speak it out so that gradually people will open their ears and their eyes to the beauty of this blessed life we have (loved the phrases used around min 18:00-20:00)
Ihsan, when you're talking about your journey into Sufi mysticism I can intellectually related to and conceive of your religious paradigm, but there's a certain point 19:04 when you start speaking about clarity, that it started sounding shockingly like the Satsang of meditation thats so familiar, the same Satsang of the Sant Mat DLM Gurus, and the Mahatmas that I was raised with; the Satsang of my renunciate devotee dad, or, Mahatma Pardarthanon. Im not trying to slander or cast meditation in a negative light, I use the metaphors I'm about to only in the sense of drive, and real effect; its like I can see the meditation/enlightenment-"jonesing" in you, like in them, when you talk about presence of mind, and awareness. Guru Maharaji, speaking as the teacher of the meditation to his devotees, used to say "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink," but you can "salt their food!" This to be a reference to how salty and dead "unfocused" "unpressent" "confused" consciousness/life is like without doing the meditation (as if it were "true level" and once felt, all normal off-level reality is "wrong" by comparison - to use a "rick & morty" reference). Still, I don't know one of them that would trade the experience of meditation and the knowledge of practicing it for anything. While speaking as a physicalist rationalist, I context this with psychology terms like "Flow States" or "Self-Actualization".
I can't help myself commenting as I listen...u mentioned prostration as the apex of prayer I jus wana share that in prostration is only time when heart is above head.
18:36 also Surah 57:3 of the Qur'an: "He is the first and the last, the outward and the inward and the knower of all things" This ayat is equally as important to me as the "we are closer to you than your jugular vein" from Surah 53. Really great discussion too, I'm loving this channel. (I'm a Batiniyya Twelver Shi'ite, with Perennial leanings)
Beautiful, thank you for sharing that ayah. Thank you, so glad you're loving it. Thank you for the feedback, it's really encouraging. Oh how cool, will you teach me about Batiniyya?
@@SeekersofUnity Batin means means esoteric, hidden or inward. A Batini is a follower of the Ahlulbayt who places importance on the esoteric over the exoteric. Also the word "al-Batin" is one of the names of Allah swt.
Great discussion… seeing that this video was recorded 4 years ago… maybe Zevi and Ihsan should meet again & make a new video TODAY.. against and in the darkness of whats going on in Gaza? With the world falling apart with so much division right now, it will be interesting to see if and how their unified voice makes a difference 🤔
Shalom brother. It was nice to watch the show. Really enjoyed it. It was very beautiful. Can help me with something? I am a Muslim and i was searching about jewish ritual prayer. But i didn't find any satisfactionary answer. Could reference some websites about this?
@@SeekersofUnity I am looking for ritual prayer. For example we Muslims say certain words or phrases during various positions in prayer(bowing, prostrating etc). Do jews do the same thing? And what phrases do you use etc. Thank you for the reference bro. Shalom
Hey brother. Yes we certainly do. Fish around here a little and let me know if you find what you’re looking for: www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/862308/jewish/Prayer.htm Best of luck brother.
*_Unity in humanity irrespective of our belief/faith is a fundamental value._* - _O humanity! Indeed, We created you from a male and a female and made you into peoples and tribes so that you may ˹get to˺ know one another. Surely the noblest of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous among you. Allah is truly All-Knowing, All-Aware. (The Noble Quran 49:13)_ - _Indeed, you ˹O Prophet˺ are not responsible whatsoever for those who have divided their faith and split into sects. Their judgment rests only with Allah. And He will inform them of what they used to do. (The Noble Quran 6:159)_
Brother I’m from Afghanistan too, at this stage in my life I just begin exploring mysticism and and the teachings of Rumi, any suggestions on where can I find credible sources to read or a credible mystic Sufi teacher ?
Hey Brother, I'm the Jewish brother in this video. I'd recommend recommend reaching out to Ihsan, the Muslim brother in this video over at his channel Ihsan Alexander, or his podcast Soul of Islam Radio. G-d bless you and your journey. May you only find closeness and love. Yours, Zevi
I so wished that a christian brother was present in this show of love and our real ancestorial tradition...call it pereniallism unity togetherness or whatever but I beleive we need to invent a term that describes the sadiqeen within Judaism christianity islam which is relevant to modern people. I beleive the word title MUSLIM was all encompassing the practioners of all three abrahamic faiths in time of the prophet...but ignorant new muslims couldn't grasp the concept I also beleive the HAJJ was for all three abrahamic faiths...so you newer generation should compose a word which means and implies to those who beleive in their own tradition and also the realities in the other abrahamic traditions.
The sufi story at 30:00 minutes was story of arab king ibrahim bin adham who was on his roof wile an angel in human form was looking for a camel...he said you mad why wd camel b on roof...angel man replied you looking for god wile u sit in your Kingdom on throne....then ENLIGHTENMENT entered.
Something that baffles me is how on earth people can be so eloquent when they talk about the "divine love" and yet don't see their own contradictions when they see this love in "some" humans to the detriment of others. I have seen this man's videos defending Andrew Tate. I have heard that allegedly peaceful talk about not judging the man because "God knows best". But all it does in practice is giving the benefit of the doubt to some humans in detriment to others. The victims rarely receive the benefit of the doubt from these people. It's all love and all until people suffer from your complacency. At this point I am becoming more and more convinced that the only way to grow as humans is confrontation. Only when being confronted by those who challenge our views we can see through our own b*llshit and all the nice talk and words about "the divine love" can actually become sincere... Just like Jesus did in the Gospels: he was love but he was no peace for sure.
FYI having watched this video i was interested to learn more about islam from a sufi and have been looking at his videos, as a warning to others he bizarrely loves andrew tate and raging covid conspiracy nut. disappointing
I've never personally held the belief as a Christian that Muhammad was not a prophet like, yes hof course! He brought about the faith to millions. Nor that we are really of a different faith, no we are truly one. The primary dividing point between Christians and other faiths in Almighty God is the divinity of Christ, which to us is so essential to our faith. To that point the belief is not that the Father and Son are honestly separate but one. It made me think of an earlier comment wherein there is the active God and the Higher spirit of God, which is where Christians say the Father Son and Holy Spirit; wherein they are one in the Higher Spirit that is God, which is One. Or if you consider the Matron figure in some beliefs, the Father, Mother, and Son, as One with the Spirit. As to the destruction of "self" there are traditions in mysticism of the death and rebirth of the ego. I see this not as destroying it but separating it from the shadow of the mind and remolding is as a servant of the Divine and of your spiritual self.
The trinity is a trinity of action it was lack of spirituality and weakness of mind and constantine had something to do with this idea of god trinity...trinity in action means how god works god-angel-prophet.
Check out more epic Sufism vids on Seekers:
ua-cam.com/play/PL_7jcKJs6iwVlsj4eCjvj-DJDLo-wZEeN.html
00:35 Introduction
02:11 Live with Ihsan
05:33 Ihsan’s Story and how he received his beautiful name
18:05 What is the inner dimension of Islam?
20:07 Are we all striving after the same unity?
21:23 Proselytism vs harmony? Do we need to convert each other?
23:25 Balancing religious individuality and integrity with religious pluralism and universalism?
30:04 How was Ramadan during Corona?
33:21 Internalized religion vs Religion on display
36:35 Is there tension between the body and soul, the spirit and the law, of Islam?
39:42 Do you find any tension between the internal and external in your own practice?
42:44 Is God conceptualized differently in Sufism vs ‘Orthodox’ Islam?
46:45 Ihsan’s personal spiritual practice
53:43 The inner, psychological experience of Zikr | Forgetting the self
56:42 Escaping from the self
59:20 The Paradox of a UA-cam channel about Egolessness
1:05:37 Transforming Religion | Be the way
1:12:09 When to find more of Ihsan
1:14:23 Final words
Just 2 cousins having a hearty conversation about God, beautiful❤
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Cousin as in mr Ihsan is from tribe Pathan and Pathan are known to be the outcast children of Israel. And Alexander is Jew of Israel ? What a coincidence
Rubbish theory, not grounded in any reality at all @@teekay987
I also felt the light brother Ihsan is talking about emanating from him the first time I watched one of his videos. I knew IMMEDIATELY that he was the real deal. Some of Mawlana’s light definitely rubbed off onto him and it still shining bright. I completely trust that man.
My thoughts exactly 🙏
I respect you Sevi. You seem like a genuinely good person.
You don't watch the news, I don't watch TV at all.
This is a great discussion between two good men talking peace! That doesn't happen often enough. I am really glad I found this channel and will now check out Ihsan's channel. Thanks again for everything.
We’re glad you found us. Definitely check out Ihsan’s channel and podcast. He’s doing amazing work for Islam, Religion and Humanity as a whole.
It gives me great joy to see a Muslim and a Jew have such a deep wonderful conversation, it gives me hope for humanity and for that I give glory to God. It also encourages me in my own spiritual practice. As one seeker to another, may I ask, what is your thoughts on mixing different mystical paths? Or rather what is your thoughts on using different aspects of different traditions in personal practice?
☺️ So glad to be a vessel for that joy, hope and encouragement. Thank You to the One who seduces the formless into form. That’s a really great question. As a fellow seeker I have the same question and don’t have any hard and fast answers to be broadly applied. I think we each need to ask ourselves with questions like these, what will bring us closer to God, closer to love, to kindness, humility, service and respect and what will bring the world closer to redemption and salvation. With love, Zevi
FWIW, Donna Talking Leaves, medicine woman, recommends that modern seekers follow three paths at once.
A beautiful conversation between two noble men. It was a joy to listen to this, thank you both 🙌🏾
Our pleasure. So glad you enjoyed it. We hope to do more of this will brothers and sisters of all faiths. G-d willing.
Glad the name resonated with you. Ihsan in Urdu means beneficence or favor. This is what religious discourse should be like. Beautiful conversation between you two. Finding unity between different faiths.
Assalamualaikum ✨
Thank you for this conversation. It came up in my feed when I needed it on a spiritual level. I can feel the quiet right now. I will definitely check out his channel on Sufism as well. I love how Universal lessons are at the heart of our traditions. Encountering the Divine isn't something that comes from us, but from the relationship between the inner and outer. The Soul/Presence of God seems to be experienced in a Unity between the Transcendence and Immanence. This could be focused on in an intellectual way to its limit, but yet people in different positions/levels of seeking may pick out specific ideas of codification and have a compulsion to take an egotistical/vanity/elitist inclination without realizing “the universal can be found in the particular” as you said, Zevi. ❤️🙏
Thank you for this insightful conversation. I’m so glad the UA-cam algorithms showed me this video / channel. I arrived here having watched some of Ihsan’s content on Sufism. I am entering (for the last 20 years) via the Daoist vehicle/ practice, one could say, and coming to see the mystic root / source of all these ‘religions’. Let us not forget the Daoist path of cultivating stillness and the inner-work. It was a beautiful surprise to me to find a perfect description (instruction) of that process but from the Sufi, Kabir:
still the body
still the mind
still the voice inside
in the silence
feel the stillness
move
LOVE these videos! Could you do some videos on Zoroastrianism??
🙏🏼 We hope to.
Finished the first live finally and now back to working my way up to the video list
Thank you so much for this interview. It really resonates with me. Specially the last part about getting ourselves out of our on way. I always linger between doing things and not doing things since ego gets in the way.
I see this as an absolute win.
Explain?
Seekers of Unity I learnt alot and i have been interested in sufi for a long time, so thanks
You're most welcome. I'm glad we could facilitate. Be sure to check out the rest of our Sufism content.
Between the Pharisees of the past and the Evangelicals of the present-I would fear for Jesus, if He came back. Thanks for your messages. -a Christian
What a beautiful account of the inner spiritual journey of Ihsan Alexander! What a great share which is so enlightening!!! Thank you!
You're most welcome. It was truly beautiful and humbling.
Beautiful and important discourse Zevi and Ihsan Alexander. Thank you for sharing.
Salam. Thank you for a lovely conversation between two seekers and harmonising personalities. May The Lord grant love, faith, wisdom and light to all... Ameen
Thank you Safina :)
Thank you for this state you put me in with this heart soothing conversation.
Just looking at both of you fills the heart with God's love, beauty and peace.
Salaams Ihsan! We love you!
Mashallah 🥰 how beautiful to hear this conversation
Alhamdulillah, Baruch Hashem, it was a pleasure to take part of.
Great talk, your very good at letting your guest answer, and not interrupting, thats a great quality of a good host 👍
Thank you Daniel 🙏🏼
@@SeekersofUnity thank you 🙏
Two beautiful people sharing their beautiful thoughts!❤
Thank you so much for this video!
God bless you!💖
Our pleasure! Thank you 😊
alhamdulilah barukh ha shem , tbarak llah
You have found the true foundation of wisdom : get out of your own way... blessings on you, brother.
Thank you. May you be blessed in your blessing brother.
Thanks for such a great podcast, got yourself a new fan. i am sufi aswell and ihsan alexanders wisdom has helped me Alot over the years. P.s i hear abit of an australian accent in your voice? Am i right :) keep up the good work. Mashallah
Thank you brother. It was such a blessing and pleasure to talk with brother Ihsan. Yup, I'm from Sydney 😉
Thank you, with G-d's help. Inshallah.
@@SeekersofUnity amazing i am from Melbourne!! Peace be with you
@@SeekersofUnityZevi love your work brother, been following the channel for sometime now.
From Muslim brother from Adelaide, much love and God bless.
thank you for this video, i've learnt a great deal from it
You're most welcome Rusted One. Thank you for joining us.
When I see the two of you together, I think... maybe ☮️ peace in the Middle East really IS possible one day.
There is One Faith with many expressions
Preach brother!
Yes! Shalom Brother. ;-) ❣🕊
So many fine points discussed - light, love, beauty, peace, unity amongst Christians, Judaism and Islam, humility and self denial yet being willing to share and do what needs to be done for the benefit of others. Though we may be different in some ways - I am believer in Christ as the Son of God, and i believe the eventually recognized Jewish Messiah - there are so many universal truths that we share in common and can be a strong link toward a common peaceful brotherhood.
Great interview !!
Thank you 🙏🏼
I'm a new subscriber. This channel is excellent. I really enjoy your interviews. Many blessings 🙏.
Thank you so much for your kind words. So glad you’re enjoying it.
As someone who came from an Orthodox Christian background I find it very difficult to embrace different perspectives of God. This was a helpful reminder that people at different stages need to think about God in different ways. I remember Vivekananda talking about that as well, and, of course, his teacher Ramakrishna:
"When I think of the Supreme Being as inactive - neither creating nor preserving nor destroying -, I call Him Brahman or Purusha, the Impersonal God. When I think of Him as active - creating, preserving, and destroying -, I call Him Śakti or Māyā or Prakriti, the Personal God. But the distinction between them does not mean a difference. The Personal and the Impersonal are the same thing, like milk and its whiteness, the diamond and its lustre, the snake and its wriggling motion. It is impossible to conceive of the one without the other. The Divine Mother and Brahman are one."
Such a beautiful conversation. Thank you
Thank you
Very good job, you are very open minded I enjoyed watching. Especially combining your tradition with other tradition make your Chanel original and very interesting no ego just love and thank you it is very refreshing we need more people like you and god bless you!!! Keep up the good work 🌸
Thank you Jam! This conversation with our Sufi brother Ihsan was wonderful to have and I’m glad the beautiful message of unity reached you. Ego death, aka fanaa (in Sufism) or bitul ha’yesh (in Kabbalah) are important parts of all the mystical traditions of the world and something i believe all of us seekers should strive for. Much ❤️
Seekers of Unity, thank you for responding I really appreciate your work, I always believe that the good wins over the bad and your Chanel is a proof of it. One of biggest wish is to see unity between all traditions more we know each other better people we become 🌸
Beautiful and thank you for this interesting conversation.
Blessings.
Thank you Jasen for joining us and listening 🙏🏼 Blessings.
@@SeekersofUnity Thank you! I love your Videos ❣🕊
Thank you so much. That means so much to me. Thank you ☺️ ☺️
Great conversation. As a Catholic that practices in the Byzantine tradition and who has studied philosophy and theology, I wonder if he could comment on the role that philosophy played or plays in the development of Islamic or even Jewish theology. In Catholicism, the philosophical elements of neo-Platonism are particularly evident in mysticism and of course, Aristotle heavily influenced Aquinas. I know that the Muslim philosophers Avicenna and Averroes were highly influential in the diffusion of Greek philosophy in the Middle Ages. So I wonder what role philosophy plays in Islamic theology or philosophy?
Both the letter of law and the spirit of the law is incredibly important. We are individuals, differents thing motivate us to worship and belief, and to do good.
I am hanafi school but do dhikr allot, in the night particular, wake up for tajjud prayer but then do dhikr and reflecting on life and Allah swt, how He works and my holding myself account, to connect to Allah swt, it calms my heart and soul. Working on my character.
Specially being a woman, it calms and sooth my emotional state, it helps me disciplining my heart and nafs, so I am less reactive to events. Its helped me allot alhamdullah. I do feel I attained sakinah tranquility in my heart and soul, its a feeling beyond words.... fullness, complete satisfaction. Its gotten me through soo much, I feel like I am in debt to Allah swt because of it, I will never be able to repay Him (swt) for it, even in the chaos of life, in the back of my mind I feel everything is going to ok, I have Allah swt, I have everything, I will in His loving embrace at the end of the day, I am in safest of hands...
Thank you for this wonderful podcast and I need to add Zevi that you need to share, you need to speak (imagine if all the great philosophers or mystics didn't speak about their life experiences, our lives would have been so much poorer) and do it with your heart and from your heart, deep down you know the truth, you just need to speak it out so that gradually people will open their ears and their eyes to the beauty of this blessed life we have (loved the phrases used around min 18:00-20:00)
Ihsan, when you're talking about your journey into Sufi mysticism I can intellectually related to and conceive of your religious paradigm, but there's a certain point 19:04 when you start speaking about clarity, that it started sounding shockingly like the Satsang of meditation thats so familiar, the same Satsang of the Sant Mat DLM Gurus, and the Mahatmas that I was raised with; the Satsang of my renunciate devotee dad, or, Mahatma Pardarthanon. Im not trying to slander or cast meditation in a negative light, I use the metaphors I'm about to only in the sense of drive, and real effect; its like I can see the meditation/enlightenment-"jonesing" in you, like in them, when you talk about presence of mind, and awareness. Guru Maharaji, speaking as the teacher of the meditation to his devotees, used to say "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink," but you can "salt their food!" This to be a reference to how salty and dead "unfocused" "unpressent" "confused" consciousness/life is like without doing the meditation (as if it were "true level" and once felt, all normal off-level reality is "wrong" by comparison - to use a "rick & morty" reference). Still, I don't know one of them that would trade the experience of meditation and the knowledge of practicing it for anything. While speaking as a physicalist rationalist, I context this with psychology terms like "Flow States" or "Self-Actualization".
beautiful
Beautiful conversation.
Thank you Helaina
I can't help myself commenting as I listen...u mentioned prostration as the apex of prayer I jus wana share that in prostration is only time when heart is above head.
Beautiful. Thank you for sharing that.
Masyaa Allah tabarokAllah. Exactly, truly genuinely beautiful.
It’s also true for the downward dog but it doesn’t seem to have noticeable effect on Californian yogis. Just joking 😉
18:36 also Surah 57:3 of the Qur'an: "He is the first and the last, the outward and the inward and the knower of all things"
This ayat is equally as important to me as the "we are closer to you than your jugular vein" from Surah 53.
Really great discussion too, I'm loving this channel.
(I'm a Batiniyya Twelver Shi'ite, with Perennial leanings)
Beautiful, thank you for sharing that ayah. Thank you, so glad you're loving it. Thank you for the feedback, it's really encouraging. Oh how cool, will you teach me about Batiniyya?
@@SeekersofUnity Batin means means esoteric, hidden or inward. A Batini is a follower of the Ahlulbayt who places importance on the esoteric over the exoteric.
Also the word "al-Batin" is one of the names of Allah swt.
Thank you so much. That's really cool.
Are their any Shia Ulema who represent your philosophy?
I am also Twelver Pakistani Shia
Great discussion… seeing that this video was recorded 4 years ago… maybe Zevi and Ihsan should meet again & make a new video TODAY.. against and in the darkness of whats going on in Gaza? With the world falling apart with so much division right now, it will be interesting to see if and how their unified voice makes a difference 🤔
Shalom brother. It was nice to watch the show. Really enjoyed it. It was very beautiful. Can help me with something? I am a Muslim and i was searching about jewish ritual prayer. But i didn't find any satisfactionary answer. Could reference some websites about this?
Thank you brother. Glad you enjoyed. Are you looking for something specific? Chabad.org is a really great online resource for all things Jewish.
@@SeekersofUnity I am looking for ritual prayer. For example we Muslims say certain words or phrases during various positions in prayer(bowing, prostrating etc). Do jews do the same thing? And what phrases do you use etc. Thank you for the reference bro. Shalom
Hey brother. Yes we certainly do. Fish around here a little and let me know if you find what you’re looking for: www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/862308/jewish/Prayer.htm Best of luck brother.
*_Unity in humanity irrespective of our belief/faith is a fundamental value._* - _O humanity! Indeed, We created you from a male and a female and made you into peoples and tribes so that you may ˹get to˺ know one another. Surely the noblest of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous among you. Allah is truly All-Knowing, All-Aware. (The Noble Quran 49:13)_ - _Indeed, you ˹O Prophet˺ are not responsible whatsoever for those who have divided their faith and split into sects. Their judgment rests only with Allah. And He will inform them of what they used to do. (The Noble Quran 6:159)_
Thank you Hassain. That’s beautiful.
very interesting
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Brother I’m from Afghanistan too, at this stage in my life I just begin exploring mysticism and and the teachings of Rumi, any suggestions on where can I find credible sources to read or a credible mystic Sufi teacher ?
Hey Brother,
I'm the Jewish brother in this video. I'd recommend recommend reaching out to Ihsan, the Muslim brother in this video over at his channel Ihsan Alexander, or his podcast Soul of Islam Radio.
G-d bless you and your journey. May you only find closeness and love.
Yours,
Zevi
Seekers of Unity Thank you so much brother 🙏🏻
Look at dr omid safi from america about rumi.
Not Sufism per se but read the Nahjul Balagha, Imam Ali Ibn Abi Talib shares lots of secrets in that collection
ya wadud ya salaam ya jami ya nafi
I so wished that a christian brother was present in this show of love and our real ancestorial tradition...call it pereniallism unity togetherness or whatever but I beleive we need to invent a term that describes the sadiqeen within Judaism christianity islam which is relevant to modern people. I beleive the word title MUSLIM was all encompassing the practioners of all three abrahamic faiths in time of the prophet...but ignorant new muslims couldn't grasp the concept I also beleive the HAJJ was for all three abrahamic faiths...so you newer generation should compose a word which means and implies to those who beleive in their own tradition and also the realities in the other abrahamic traditions.
If i didn't know i would say the guy on the left is the Jew and the guy on the right is the Muslim
Who’s struggling with and who’s surrendering to God? It changes from moment to moment 😉
Which Tariqa does Ihsan belong to?
You may have to check out his channel to find out.
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I think he belongs to the naqshbandi tariqa.
The sufi story at 30:00 minutes was story of arab king ibrahim bin adham who was on his roof wile an angel in human form was looking for a camel...he said you mad why wd camel b on roof...angel man replied you looking for god wile u sit in your Kingdom on throne....then ENLIGHTENMENT entered.
Something that baffles me is how on earth people can be so eloquent when they talk about the "divine love" and yet don't see their own contradictions when they see this love in "some" humans to the detriment of others. I have seen this man's videos defending Andrew Tate. I have heard that allegedly peaceful talk about not judging the man because "God knows best". But all it does in practice is giving the benefit of the doubt to some humans in detriment to others. The victims rarely receive the benefit of the doubt from these people. It's all love and all until people suffer from your complacency. At this point I am becoming more and more convinced that the only way to grow as humans is confrontation. Only when being confronted by those who challenge our views we can see through our own b*llshit and all the nice talk and words about "the divine love" can actually become sincere... Just like Jesus did in the Gospels: he was love but he was no peace for sure.
so what does that actually mean?🤔
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FYI having watched this video i was interested to learn more about islam from a sufi and have been looking at his videos, as a warning to others he bizarrely loves andrew tate and raging covid conspiracy nut. disappointing
I was interested in Ihsan, until he started jumping on right wing trends.
I've never personally held the belief as a Christian that Muhammad was not a prophet like, yes hof course! He brought about the faith to millions. Nor that we are really of a different faith, no we are truly one. The primary dividing point between Christians and other faiths in Almighty God is the divinity of Christ, which to us is so essential to our faith. To that point the belief is not that the Father and Son are honestly separate but one. It made me think of an earlier comment wherein there is the active God and the Higher spirit of God, which is where Christians say the Father Son and Holy Spirit; wherein they are one in the Higher Spirit that is God, which is One. Or if you consider the Matron figure in some beliefs, the Father, Mother, and Son, as One with the Spirit. As to the destruction of "self" there are traditions in mysticism of the death and rebirth of the ego. I see this not as destroying it but separating it from the shadow of the mind and remolding is as a servant of the Divine and of your spiritual self.
Thank you for that comment. There's a lot to digest there. I deeply appreciate your theological creativity. It's high time for some of that.
Happy to share and discuss. As much as I learn from this channel, sharing my modest insight is the least I could do.
The trinity is a trinity of action it was lack of spirituality and weakness of mind and constantine had something to do with this idea of god trinity...trinity in action means how god works god-angel-prophet.
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Sufism تربحون الشعر...
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Everybody wants unity now that the cats outa the bag.. lol
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