Nice! Very glad they have the upgrade kit available for those of us who already have the Charger 3 damper in our forks. I'm def gonna pick up that kit and do the upgrade when it comes time to service my '22 Zeb. I always felt like the Charger 3 was more harsh than I wanted over the chattery stuff, so hopefully the Charger 3.1 will give me the plushness and comfort that I'm lookin' for!
You guys nailed this video, nailed it! I have to give it up to Rockshox. They have really, in my mind, moved past Fox. I have a brand new 2025 fox x2, tried a Vivid, thanks to your video Mike. Let's just say, the X2 is going up for sale. The Vivid never came off.
I was about to ask the same! Love the Zeb but the bike I plan on buying an updated fork/damper for, is better suited to the Lyrik. Charlie Murray is running a red Lyrik on his Stumpy Evo, ews rider btw
The .1 is SRAM/RS's reaction to all of the .0 beta testers' (AKA us) complaints. My 2.1 Pike felt way better than my 3.0 Ultimate....... Waiting patiently for the Charger 3.1.1
100% agree! I rode a 2024 Lyrik with the Charger 3.0 and wasn‘t happy at all. Switched to a 2024 Fox 36 Per.Elite and the difference is night and day. Speaking with my bike shop they all told me that the Charger 2.1 is way better than the 3.0. Too bad I didn‘t wait long enough!
@@Schnabulation Same. I was very disappointed with the performance of my 3.0 Zeb and ended up dumping it for a Fox 38. By far the worst fork I've ridden in a long time.
@@Schnabulation I've been riding a Fox 36 on my trail bike for quite some time so I could say it feels a lot like that (which is great). Maybe a tad more damped but that could just be the wear on the 36 now.
@@SidiNic I really don’t have the small bump sensitivity I was hoping for, the fork feels burly and has a lot of support, but at that given spring rate it lacks the small bump. I’ve played with various PSI and when it’s super sensitive I’m simply just wallowing in the travel too much
We have those in stock for the Charger dampers right now: thelostco.com/products/rockshox-fork-damper-tune-assembly-includes-shims-for-compression-rebound-configs-piston-tool-charger-3-1-pike-c1-lyrik-d1-zeb-a1-boxxer-d1
Only one issue with the new zeb ultimate fork for me is why o why have they removed the sag settings on the stanchon? Sag setting was piss easy before🤬🤬
I think RockShox has decided that setting sag on a fork via those percentages isn't the best way to find your base setting. Instead, they recommend using the pressure recommendations based off a rider's weight, and then fine tune from there. It's worked great for everyone here at the shop! Tor
I found my Zeb sitting alot in the middle when riding. Is that a pressure thing or rebound? I always have 10mm over on travel so pressure should be enough
Zeb needs fast rebound. So i usually use 2 klicks more then parking lot test. Works good. I use a trutune cause mine had too much left even after hard landings. Lg
Neither is better, they're just different! The Fox stuff just seems to lean towards the feeling of being glued to the ground while the RockShox stuff tends to use more travel more often, and gives it a little bit more of a "pop" feeling. -Mike
Amd thats why everyones complaining about the vivid air and coil not having the support fox does great video otter done on them recently and loads for sale now not sure if should pick one up as alot cheaper than a new used fox DHX2
Guys what rear shock would you recomend for Trek rail. Im looking to upgrade my front shock to 170 mm from 160 mm and rear from 150mm to 165 ish mm. Im looking for Vivid ultimate and vivid coil ultimate. Any recomendations?
@@MasterBlaster69 Zeb is the front. I already have Zeb ultimate with charger 3. I will get the piston and airspring for the upgrade. Just 70 bucks. Im more thinking about the rear shock.
I fixed the ramping up problem on my Zeb with a TruTune activated carbon insert, which effectively increased the size of the positive chamber, making it more linear. There are other solutions , but this worked really well for me. Love the thing.
Absolutely. Ran a Lyrik 2.1, Pike 2.1 and a Fox 34 performance but none of them can match a Formula Selva S with a negative air coil spring for plushness and perfect mid stroke support along with a very linear end stroke. Too bad Formula hasn't pushed there product more in the states or you would see a lot of people switching over. Done with Rockshox and Fox.
Cool, new tech. How about this? - I’ll keep riding my old 2019 revelation charger RC 160mm and pre-hbo super deluxe coil and still go faster and have more fun then 90% of the people on my local trails. Also with the cash i’ve saved i’m going on three week-long bike park visits this summer all in different countries.
Nice of Rockshox to offer a kit. They could just sell the whole damper, which I would 100% skip, but the kit is definitely worth it.
Hey Lost Co. you guys should totally do a Grip X2 vs Charger 3.1 damper shoot out
HUGE kudos to Rockshox modular upgrade built in from the Domain to the Zeb to the Boxxer. So Impressed.
Great content Mike, very informative and way to stay on top of the techy offerings for consumers
ngl u guys prob give the best explanation but how do u only have 150k subs?😭😭
Most average bikers don’t even know how to adjust their suspension
Nice! Very glad they have the upgrade kit available for those of us who already have the Charger 3 damper in our forks. I'm def gonna pick up that kit and do the upgrade when it comes time to service my '22 Zeb. I always felt like the Charger 3 was more harsh than I wanted over the chattery stuff, so hopefully the Charger 3.1 will give me the plushness and comfort that I'm lookin' for!
Literally just bought a super deluxe ultimate coil an hour ago...
Cancel the order if online / return to retailer it'd be within statuary rights?
It work amazing don t wory
It's already on the bike as of today. Was testing it out when I got the notification for this video 😂
Don't worry, it's basically the same shock. @@michaelmcdermott9445
@@michaelmcdermott9445just got mine last fall, it’s works really well, don’t worry
I just need to upgrade to the red color.
Same thing happened to me, on a brand new box 36, transfer post, rear shock. Four hours later, Fox releases the new lineup.
Love the structure of the videos, always very informative and interesting. Keep up with the good work!
Cheers from Croatia ✌️
Thanks for the video fellas!! Been hoping for the update this month!
You guys nailed this video, nailed it! I have to give it up to Rockshox. They have really, in my mind, moved past Fox. I have a brand new 2025 fox x2, tried a Vivid, thanks to your video Mike. Let's just say, the X2 is going up for sale. The Vivid never came off.
Great vid.. The upgrade kits are really appreciated 👏🙂👍 Rockshocks
Can't wait to try it out!
спасибо за доходчивое объяснение обновлений, канал супер)
Any confirmation if there will be a red Lyrik? Feel like I’ve seen one floating around
I was about to ask the same! Love the Zeb but the bike I plan on buying an updated fork/damper for, is better suited to the Lyrik. Charlie Murray is running a red Lyrik on his Stumpy Evo, ews rider btw
They've been spotted on some pro bike but no word from SRAM about them coming our way anytime soon!
@@torweiland1738 I guess I'll keep my fingers crossed!
Guys, if I wanted to paint my black Lyrik that new kinda candy red of the Zebb, where can I find that paint? Do you stock it?
Fantastic work as always...now please trim that branch off of the roof 😎
Does exist a super deluxe HBO upgrade kit?
What size shaft is in the Vivid coil?
@TheLostCo does the vivid coil come with a steel shaft?
does the charger 3.1 fit in the Domain?
If the charger 3 fits it then I’m sure it does
Only the ultimate series forks, domain is not
Still not fixed the dished pistons then?
The .1 is SRAM/RS's reaction to all of the .0 beta testers' (AKA us) complaints. My 2.1 Pike felt way better than my 3.0 Ultimate....... Waiting patiently for the Charger 3.1.1
100% agree! I rode a 2024 Lyrik with the Charger 3.0 and wasn‘t happy at all. Switched to a 2024 Fox 36 Per.Elite and the difference is night and day. Speaking with my bike shop they all told me that the Charger 2.1 is way better than the 3.0. Too bad I didn‘t wait long enough!
@@Schnabulation Same. I was very disappointed with the performance of my 3.0 Zeb and ended up dumping it for a Fox 38. By far the worst fork I've ridden in a long time.
@@bg1918 right..!? And how do you like the Fox 38? I have to say the switch gave me such a boost in confidence in my bike!
@@Schnabulation I've been riding a Fox 36 on my trail bike for quite some time so I could say it feels a lot like that (which is great). Maybe a tad more damped but that could just be the wear on the 36 now.
I found the charger 3 damper on my current Zeb to be lacking in some areas, will be anxious to see what this 3.1 damper brings to the table
Whzt dont you like about it. I am pretty happy with it, cant fully bottom it out so might take a spacer out
I put trutune in my charger 3 it works do good. Well it should be like that from factory but yeah.
@@SidiNic I really don’t have the small bump sensitivity I was hoping for, the fork feels burly and has a lot of support, but at that given spring rate it lacks the small bump. I’ve played with various PSI and when it’s super sensitive I’m simply just wallowing in the travel too much
@@andrewcox7416 might need a service or your bushings are too tight. My Zeb is crazy sensitive on small bumps, first thing i noticed coming drom Fox
@@SidiNic the fork has very low hours so now that you mention it when I am due for a service I will have my bushings burnished as well, thank you
When will the new Pike air spring be for sale?
where can i get light rebound shims/tune kit
We have those in stock for the Charger dampers right now:
thelostco.com/products/rockshox-fork-damper-tune-assembly-includes-shims-for-compression-rebound-configs-piston-tool-charger-3-1-pike-c1-lyrik-d1-zeb-a1-boxxer-d1
Cool. I bought a Super Deluxe Ultimate coil today for 300€ on a german website and it's quite a bargain for.... a Vivid ^^
Only one issue with the new zeb ultimate fork for me is why o why have they removed the sag settings on the stanchon? Sag setting was piss easy before🤬🤬
I think RockShox has decided that setting sag on a fork via those percentages isn't the best way to find your base setting. Instead, they recommend using the pressure recommendations based off a rider's weight, and then fine tune from there. It's worked great for everyone here at the shop!
Tor
I believe that is a candy apple red.
I found my Zeb sitting alot in the middle when riding. Is that a pressure thing or rebound? I always have 10mm over on travel so pressure should be enough
Zeb needs fast rebound. So i usually use 2 klicks more then parking lot test. Works good. I use a trutune cause mine had too much left even after hard landings. Lg
finally a worthy replacement for my blood red lyrik. That being said, there's still plenty of life in my 2.1 charged squisher.
Is there a list to know if my fork can be upgraded?
What fork do you have? And what are you wanting to upgrade?
-Mike
4 days ago I got a warranty on my rockshox zeb, with a new charger 3.0 and ultimate lower legs.. and now this is out, how about that awesome timing..😅
And so which is better fox 38 factory grip x2 or rockshox zeb ultimate charger 3.1?
Neither is better, they're just different! The Fox stuff just seems to lean towards the feeling of being glued to the ground while the RockShox stuff tends to use more travel more often, and gives it a little bit more of a "pop" feeling.
-Mike
Amd thats why everyones complaining about the vivid air and coil not having the support fox does great video otter done on them recently and loads for sale now not sure if should pick one up as alot cheaper than a new used fox DHX2
Guys what rear shock would you recomend for Trek rail. Im looking to upgrade my front shock to 170 mm from 160 mm and rear from 150mm to 165 ish mm. Im looking for Vivid ultimate and vivid coil ultimate. Any recomendations?
ZEB is the one for you.
@@MasterBlaster69 Zeb is the front. I already have Zeb ultimate with charger 3. I will get the piston and airspring for the upgrade. Just 70 bucks. Im more thinking about the rear shock.
Sv8 or Vivid Coil?!
lol why are they not fixing the air side that is causing (almost) all the problems?
I fixed the ramping up problem on my Zeb with a TruTune activated carbon insert, which effectively increased the size of the positive chamber, making it more linear. There are other solutions , but this worked really well for me. Love the thing.
So they went stiff feel for the maven and went soft for the shock suspension😅 next update back to soft brake lever and stiff shock suspension😊
The linear can for the super deluxe.
Need to get Tor a baseball cap for some Wayne's World vibes.
LOL
-Mike
The Charger and Debon air not being lined up frustrates me.
More range, same amount if clicks means less fine tuning ability.
Or buy a Formula Selva and laugh at Rockshox’s forks…
Absolutely. Ran a Lyrik 2.1, Pike 2.1 and a Fox 34 performance but none of them can match a Formula Selva S with a negative air coil spring for plushness and perfect mid stroke support along with a very linear end stroke. Too bad Formula hasn't pushed there product more in the states or you would see a lot of people switching over. Done with Rockshox and Fox.
Cool, new tech. How about this? - I’ll keep riding my old 2019 revelation charger RC 160mm and pre-hbo super deluxe coil and still go faster and have more fun then 90% of the people on my local trails. Also with the cash i’ve saved i’m going on three week-long bike park visits this summer all in different countries.
Your going on a 3 week trip to different countries with less than 2 grand?
bro a beat down fox rhythm is prolly better than this shit
lol wut haha