THE #1 AUTHENTIC BACH ORGAN IN THE US !! | The Craighead-Saunders Organ, Rochester, NY | David Higgs
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J. S. Bach: The Complete Organ Works BWV 538, BWV 532, BWV 622, BWV 578, BWV 592
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0:00 Intro
3:07 Principal 8’
5:55 Principals 8’ 4’
6:50 Why a European Organ in the US?
8:00 Pr. 8’ 4’ 2’
8:45 Pr. 8’ 4’ 2’ 3’
9:16 Organs in Rochester
11:25 Pr. 8’ 4’ 2’ 3’ Mixture
12:55 Repertoire
14:03 Pedal Reeds
14:42 HW. Plenum
16:33 Episcopal context
17:30 “Romantic” sounds
19:32 Pedal Stops
20:43 “Space” sounds
22:48 HW. Flutes
29:07 HW. Sesquialtera
29:40 Organ Key
30:50 Bellows
35:53 Second Manual
41:14 About the Case
42:53 Iula 8’
47:04 Bells
48:32 Tutti
10:39 Bach is supposed to have said, "If you hit the right notes at the right time, it [the organ] plays itself."
A wonderful Bach instrument! If only we could hear some of Bach's music being played on it.......!
It is coming!
One of your best. There is always the feeling that you are addressing the listener/viewer personally when you demonstrate a particular organ. The details of the construction of the organ loft, the floor, the paint and the type of screws - fascinating!
One of your best ever videos Balint! Such a fascinating instrument. Wonderful to have the two of you presenting. I especially enjoyed the alternating between your demonstrating and the information provided by David Higgs. Thank you so much for this.
Beautiful stuff - love the key!
I was admiring the case as well as the sound. It's great that artisans still exist to do such work. (One of my uncles was a Master cabinet maker, who started his apprentice training at 10 in Sicily).
Replying from my memory of the dedication conference: The builders made a great effort to match the Vilnius original, to the extent of studying tool marks in wooden parts to figure out what tools were actually used. Up to 14 coats of paint were applied to the most visible parts of the case. The gilding technique was polyment gilding, which almost nobody in the world remembered how to do! They had to rediscover the process. Polyment is a wet, oily clay mixture which becomes the base of the gilded areas. Large pieces of gold leaf are applied with a small tool called a gilder's tipple. The gold sticks to the polyment by surface tension. Does any of this affect the sound of the organ? Just maybe, but it certainly increases the ARTISTRY of the organ. IMHO musical, acoustical, visual and architectural effects combine in the performances on this (any) organ.
@richardholmquist7316 Thank you for the detailed reply. I remember my uncle had "booklets" of gold and silver leaf as thin as onion skin. There were also ivory and amber tools for detail polishing. He worked for a company that made Baroque style furniture that my mother called "Italian overdone". The basement of his house was full of hand tools, some older tan he was from his "Masters". You brought back lots of memories. Most of my cousins were afraid of my uncle, who was very gruff. My father wouldn't translate some of what he would say in Sicilian dialect. I liked him. Thanks again for reminding me of a fine artist. From Chicago, U.S.A.
What a magnificent instrument…and in upstate NY of all places! (Well, it’s Eastman, of course, so it makes sense, but how exciting.) I’m reminded of your demonstration of the organ in Arnstadt. There’s so much color and character. It’s fascinating to hear about how the physical demands of, for example, the pedal dimensions help to convey virtuosity in performances.
Thank you so much for a truly wonderful video!
Thank you all concerned with this wonderful instrument. True king of instruments.
the facade is absolutely beautiful
Thank you!
Fantastic demonstration; you never disappoint!
Beautifull !! My compliments !!!!
Amazing Tour and Demo. Fascinating instrument. Thank you!
I enjoy so much of the arrangement of this video, I can learn the music and enjoy the music at the same time !
Wonderful organ, these 2 last theme were absolutly amazing wow !
Beautiful instrument, nicely played!
Thanks. Beautiful
Nice tour of the organ. And one that I should go and see. Not that far away.
Stupendo veramente bello e affascinante! Grazie! Mille likes
Great stuff! And with Christmas Bells.
What a perfect sounding organ! =)
Sensational!!!
Wundervolles Instrument!
That is one fine sounding organ, and so versatile! Will you use it for one of your "Bach: Complete Organ Works" concerts? Top notch production as usual. Great video all around.
I understood the particular shape of stops: need arms gym!
Beautiful instrument and wonderful presentation. I'm a bit heavy so perfect for treading the bellows , lol
Celestial.
At the conference I attended when this organ was first dedicated, we learned that Iula is a contraction of Viola. In fact, in Lithuania, Iula is a nickname for a woman named Viola! The stop name goes back into the 17th c. although it was never common. I MAY be remembering this right: E. Compenius built a Jula around 1600.
Actually I remembered wrong. At Lüneburg Lamberti there was a "Spitzflöte oder Jula" noted by Praetorius in 1619.
Wow! If only the organ reform movement had been based around the full variety of these central European instruments, instead of a few North German organs. Organ building and organ playing would have been the better for it.
And for eclectic conceptions of the modern organ this kind of instrument gives better ingredients for mixing with for example French or English romantic influences. Whereas Schnitger and Cavaille-Coll really don't go naturally together!
Exactly my thoughts! I'd like to see more of this style of organ in the US, rather than North German or Silbermann copies (which are also beautiful)!
Thank you so much for this video demonstration! I have never heard such a good organ in England, where I was born. Bach really does sound very good indeed on this instrument. The variety of stops is huge and they are all so nice. There are no automatic registration buttons, but who cares. It is still possible to change the sound with one hand or use an assistant. The clarity is excellent. I assume it has a tracker action?
Praise God from whom all blessings flow
Great Unda Maris scene plase more of Abide with me, with this Stops
Can I see a "Bęben"- Polish XVII-XIX centaury "Tympan" there? (first from down of the left side of the registers)
So beautiful and powerful instrument!
Damn... An American organ much better that the new European!!!! Organ voicing and tuning is spectacular.
Designed and produced in Sweden, copied from Vilnius, Lithuania, then transplanted in the US.
Since you are very close to Ithaca, I’m wondering if you would try out the Cornell Baroque organ modeled after the Schnitger organ in Berlin. I personally consider it to be also very suitable for pieces by Bach.
I would like to play on that organ!
I like that design. I'm going to imagine heaven's messenger who play organ on the sacred space
What an amazing instrument!! This sounds every bit as good as any European Baroque organ, maybe even better. The fact that you accurately copied it right down to the paint insures that it will sound and resonate exactly as intended. The huge stops are almost hilarious, but judging from the force required to open the 16' principal, those big handles are quite handy!😄👍👍 *EDIT:* OMG! I just got to the part with the manually operated bellows! They didn't miss a trick, did they?! As long as you have a couple willing bodies, you don't even need power to play this thing!!!😂 Absolutely amazing!
Those stop"keys"you also see in Latvia, i.e. in Ugale, instrument built by Cornelius Rhaneus in 1701.
Not exactly. They are simpler. The rods are round.
@@kastorgelbau It's the form of the stop-knobs i was referring to...
Amazing!! When demonstrating the Man. I Plenum at 11:26, don't you in fact have the 16' Bourdun on?
How about an outline of the pieces played and excerpted for the benefit of those who might be new to the organ.
So glad to see zero “Dislikes” so far. VARODI SZIA PUSZY!!
There is the first dislike!
@@bkarosi Which i don't understand at all...
At the beginning of the Second Manual demonstration, was that music from the Middle Ages/medieval period or Renaissance?
I think, the composers short before and around JS Bach would also sound wonderful at this organ: Buxtehude, Böhm, Bruhns, Pachelbel a.s.o.
A beautiful instrument! I’m surprised how well the Anglican-style registration works on it - I suppose if you’re creative enough, a big enough organ can play anything.
That is precisely why there are big organs. Small organs with limited number of stops become boring really quickly. Notice how many of the squeak boxes are on the used market. People are tired of the loud, screeching mixtures and almost total lack of fundamental. The neo-baroque movement did more to destroy more organs than fire, vandalism and water damage all put together. Now people have realized, after spending millions more than they had to for inefficient highly limited intruments - that is was all a fad.
Glorious chiff, and the tones that follow are wonderful, too.
Beautiful instrument in both sound and appearance, though I'm no fan of the stop handles.
Is the "Great" Hohlflöte of wood or metal? I've seen both.
Also, what is the construction of the "Positiv" Iula? The research I've done indicates it's usually of tapered metal (e.g., a Gemshorn or Spitzflöte). But what about on this specific instrument?
As I recall it is made of wood and is not tapered. The placement of the front caps (at the mouth, the pipes aren't stopped) was critical and took much time. Move those caps a whisker and the stop sounds like an ordinary flute.
IULA is barbarized version of aulos (pipe, Greek). It imitates the rich sound of the Greek reed pipe (ironically using a flue). The aulos has a very narrow bore, fairly high pressure, and a captive double reed, not unlike a medieval shawm.
How do you know?
@@HenrikBergpianorganist- I'm a musicologist, having spent the last 60 years studying ancient music history. I am a musical instrument maker as well.
@@fnersch3367 I was rather wondering if you have a source for it? From a linguistic point of view iula and aulos aren't more similar than, say, flute and fiddle. No obvious connection there...
What a great instrument I can hear that the tuning is mean tone but is it mean tone quarter comma or a modified system?
Thank you for a great video.
I believe it was explained at some point in the video, that the temperament is one of the Neidhard, "for the village", the most unequal one. With A465.
@@vidselih It is lovely, whatever it is. It is equal enough to sound pleasing in all keys but unequal enough to color them so vividly. I wish unequal temperaments were more widely used.
In what manner is it tuned? Some variation of well tempered, or the equal temper? I hope a well tempered tuning, to give each key its special feeling. Very interesting video and fine instrument. I like that you even have worked on the pain, but that makes me hope the tuning is not too modern ... :)
At 21:!3 and after, I don't understand how any wind is getting to the pipes at all, because the ventil is closed.
One real Bach Organ, you will find in the "Hauptkirche St. Katharinen" in Hamburg, Germany. On this Organ played Bach several times, e.g. as young man, 16 years old to meet the old Master Adam Reincken. Bach walked from Lüneburg to Hamburg to play for the great old master. 19 years after his first visit to Hamburg he came again to the Hanseatic city in November 1720 to apply for the position of organist at St. Jacob's Church, another of the 5 Main Churches "Hauptkirche". The organ, among other things the Groß-Posaune and a Principal 32’, aroused the admiration of Johann Sebastian Bach, who gave a legendary concert on the organ in 1720. Bach could "not praise enough" above all the "beauty and variety of sound" of the 16 reeds of this "in all pieces excellent work."
Based on 520 original pipes preserved from Bach's time, this genuine "Bach organ" has been reconstructed so that today it sounds again as Bach heard it. By the way, this organ is the first organ with four manuals in the world.
thank you balint!
Since this pedalboard only goes up to D, where does the F major Toccata drop down an octave during the pedal passages?
There are a number of tricks Eastmaners use for missing higher pedal keys. Depending on the registration, playing missing pedal notes on the manual is one option. More problematic is the first movement of BWV 593 where there is a repeated high E in the pedal. BTW Bach had an E in Weimar but not in Leipzig, so the earlier works have larger pedal compass than the later works. The toccata in F is the only work with a pedal with F but there is also a version for a smaller pedalboard.
@@bkarosi Isn't that reduced pedal compass manuscript from Krebs's library?
It almost sounds like a Finnish-made organ!
18:35 Wow I really like this hymn. Is there anyone who knows the title of this?
When in our Music God is Glorified (Engelberg)
A wonderful piece of organ archaeology and one which is rather eye-opening as all the supposed "Bach" Organs Ive experience from the 1960s and 1970s were terrible anaemic sounding squeak-boxes with lots of too-bright upperwork, lack of foundational tone and no colour; certainly no celeste ranks. Either messed up Victorian organs or something with a case from Ikea. So this was a nice surprise.
The Noack in Houston, TX is pretty good one as well (designed after the Silbermann organs built during Bach's lifetime).
I've been on organ tours with Harold Vogel I've seen and played these organs they do have more Foundation tone that we were ever led to believe the 8-foot principles etc. are warmer and of larger scale than we thought. I also saw many 3rd cut ups on large principal ranks.
@@stephenhetzel8437 Vogel's Buxtehude recordings are wonderful too. One thing to remember is that many of the examples of baroque organs were largely inaccessible prior to the fall of the Soviet Union. It's no coincidence that the quality of new Baroque style organs improved with the fall of the iron curtain.
Those are the strangest drawknobs I have ever seen.
is it tuned in Kirnberger II ?
No, Neidhard "for the village", explained somewhere in the video.
As mentioned in the video, this instrument is a copy of Casparini's only surviving big organ in Vilnius, Lithuanie. It took several organ experts from US and Europe, months of study and examination, an organ builder from Sweden and over 2 milion US dollars to build it. Ironically, the original is still silent, unplayable, dismantled into pieces and forgotten. Main reason: lack of funds to restore it. How can you enjoy playing this copy knowing the gloomy fate of the original?
Playing the copy is letting the parent live through the child, in a sense. It is still honoring the original in a way. I certainly agree that it is a tragedy to have a beautiful organ unplayable and in disrepair.
Although this organ can make a lot of noice which American like, but it has also the integrity of sound of the older instruments in Germany I like.
👍 So thrilling...it makes me leak!
🙏😇🤩
Who built this organ?
www.esm.rochester.edu/organ/instruments/craighead-saunders/
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You should take a look at the organ in Örgryte Church in Gothenburg, Sweden. It’s also built together with GSO. The sound is heaven… en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_German_baroque_organ_in_%C3%96rgryte_Nya_Kyrka. Besides, I think the organ in Naumburg built by Hildebrandt is closer to Bach’s ideal. He inspected the organ and considered Hildebrandt to be the best organ builder. But that’s my humble opinion. 🤷🏼♂️
Bach really worked with multiple organ builders (as he was invited to test out a lot of organs) and didn't seem to really play clear favorites in terms of builder. Scheibe, Hildebrandt, Contius, Trebs, Trost etc - who did he like more? (BTW, in Naumburg, Bach was actually not fully satisfied in the acceptance report and asked for the voicing and other mechanical aspects to be redone and evened out)
(personally, I actually like the rough tierced plenum of Trosts and Casparinis more than the Silbermann-like plenum of Hildebrandt, but that's my own preference rather than Bachs :) )
@@joannescouchet7038 I agree with you regarding his work with multiple organ builders. Personally I do lean towards the sound of Silbermann. Bach regarded Hildebrandt as superior Silbermann. Regarding his acceptance report of Naumburg, it sounds like he didn’t like the plenum. Personally I think that he didn’t appreciated the mixtur. But that’s my understanding. Thanks for your comment!
@@goranklaren2566 I agree then, Hildebrandt is indeed a better Silbermann :)
@@joannescouchet7038 😎
Wonderful instrument, but I had a bit of thinking what this means, an Authentic Bach Organ. I know about Schitger, or Hinz or Muller organ, but a Bach organ I haven't seen before and I've not heard he was an organ builder himself, lest be an authentic one...
This organ is copy- the orginal is Adam Gottlob Casparinni, Dominikanische kirche (Heiliger Geist kirche), Vilnius, Lithuania. 1776.
Will you please conserve our culture while Europe is being destroyed right now!
How can that be called an authentic BACH ORGAn, when it was built only in recent years, of old timber .it still doesn't maker it a Bach organ.at best it is avery good facsimile which it is it is a nice organ with beautifull tonals and sound. .the trumpets are very good too.
Because old organs don't necessarily have old sounds, they often have been changed and revoiced much over the years. This organ was actually a research effort to reconstruct the sound of a line of builders that Bach knew well.
@@joannescouchet7038 this is perpetuation of false information.
@@praestant8 how so? Please elaborate.
So pity that the original instrument in Vilnius is still in such a deplorable condition....
So improvements are not good. This is the organ Bach played on so we should not improve the organ. We should not make keys a bit wider. Better tot physically stress the organist- Is that what pipe organs are for. Make people work with greater difficulty - that makes the organ sound better.
4" planks resonate. You are joking of course. Piano sound boards are THIN just in case you haven't noticed. You cannot play the French orchestral music on this and have it sound anything like the original. Beautiful case on the organ. Probably half the cost of the organ is in the case and gold leaf. Not event he screws are machine made. Incredible. Think of the tonal change between machine made and hand made screws. It must really be noticeable. Interesting - you have to brace against the case to pull the draw-knobs out. You traditionalists laughed at Wurlitzer organs. Here you are imitating sound effects that were common in Wurlitzer instruments. Ah well. Hypocrisy is acceptable when extolling the virtues of obsolescence. The organ has a nice sound. It is well suited for Baroque period music. It also has some nice sounding stops that lend well to soft or romantic music. But it has limits, aside from the physical differences. You seem to forget that the building (Which is resonant) and the pipes are what make the tone. This has been scientifically demonstrated time after time and argued about for at least 2 centuries. In the end it is not the chests, the action, the case, case pipes, width of keys, key cap material. If all comes down to the pipes, wind pressure, the voicer and building acoustics. These organs need goo resonance (and deserve) They are bright, clear and suited for Baroque music but they are limited in versatility. Render unto Schnitger that which is Schnitger's Wow - A hand forged key - definitely influences the tone of the organ Damn, that wind is so nicely unsteady and the Mixtures are a delight when they go out of tune from low pressure. Just wonderful. We should throw out all the technical improvements in modern organs and go back to the time when people were using candles in their homes and only the wealthy could ride horses. The chiffing is good. It makes it impossible to play legato on that stop. Very useful. That difference in the wood carving of the case must have a huge influence on the tone. Most builders strive for symetrical cases. Nice sound. The IULA is nothing more than a celeste. What is so special? Save the hate mail,
I think you are ignoring the purpose of this organ: it is a research project, designed to explore the historic organ, but from our modern perspective. It's not an "eclectic" organ designed to play all eras of music.