Just found out that the last reconstruction, the South London rapist, was made into a Crimewatch File (titled 'Scarred', and the last one narrated by Sue Cook) in October 1995. It's just been uploaded to UA-cam.
2.30am cant sleep and watching this, definitely won't be sleeping now, from Ireland and a big thumbs up for uploading these, scary but would have you wondering what is next!
Dear redcard74, This spiel at the end of the programme (don't worry, this is just the exception, so sleep tight and don't have nightmares) generally have me in stitches here in South Africa in 2019. I love these uploads, so please don't take this as criticism. In the South Africa of 2019, these have become run of the mill (as I'm sure Britain is also facing different circumstances). But to imagine that there was a time where you could say that sort of thing at the end of a crime show!
Crime in the UK has actually gone down and down since then. As of 2023, it's at its lowest ever levels. Burglary and car theft have gone down particularly massively, and murder rates are lower than the 80s or 90s.
Owen Gordon Davies was sent to jail for the murder of an 83 year old man walked out of an open prison in 2004 Don’t you just love the British prison system 😡😡😡
Yes. I couldn't believe that was conveniently not mentioned. If they'd bothered getting out of the car and going around the back like the caller told them to, it would may well have saved his llife.
Wow, my nan lived at that old people's home in Wellingborough until 7 months before the raid shown on here, never knew about it before. What a rotten experience for the victims.
IF THEY HAD OF LOOKED ROUND THE PUB THE FIRST TIME HE MIGHT STILL BE ALIVE. THEY DID NOT SAY NOTHING ABOUT THAT . NO 1 MAKES A CALL LIKE THAT AT THAT TIME OF THE MORNING if it's not reel ???
@Janet Taylor I think there was clearly a miscommunication. The description about the victim being bound and gagged *inside the caravan,* happened to be given during the time that the phone operator was transferring the call. It certainly wouldn't have been [properly] heard by either of the phone operators. When the police arrived, owing to the perhaps lack of perceived urgency to unbind the victim, they may only have been acting on third (or fourth) hand information about the tavern, and NOTHING to do with a nearby caravan. The "accountability" of the police in this instance was considerably tenuous. Unless the true intent of the caller was perhaps murder by ""misunderstanding"", then it seems to have been an extremely unfortunate catalogue of errors by many parties. Terribly regrettable.
I found an archived article written by Libby Purves archive.org/stream/NewsUK1993UKEnglish/Oct%2026%201993%2C%20The%20Times%2C%20%2364784%2C%20UK%20%28en%29_djvu.txt It doesnt shed any more light on the case at all though. Her name is spelt Amanda Millard
I don't get why the first time police went to check on The Park Tavern/Trevor thry didn't as the call suggested check fbe caravan around the back? Would he still be alive now if they done that?
The operator may not have caught what the caller said about the caravan round the back - it sounds as though she was actually transferring the call to the ambulance service when he said that bit.
I beg to differ , she still looks fabulous if not a bit slimmer in this episode. The outfit she has is real perfect and the bronze heels are the icing on the cake ! The thing is if you think about it -ogling someone on TV regularly for 9 years in a row makes any slight aging more noticeable but overall the lady is nice....
Did I miss coleshill or are you talking about the Amanda case in Coseley, West Midlands? I'm just wondering if that's why you said she pronounced funny?
Yep, I think so too, and I've seen them all so far. There was a minor one recently when Hames and Cook were chatting and smiling without knowing the camera was on them, but that was on an Update programme.
I watched one last night, can't remember which one..... During end credits Hatcher was sitting there, looking idly on at the others, then realised, when the camera went on him, that he should probably look like he was doing something. So he picked up his pen & pretended to write something 😅
Does anyone have the episode or know the details about the armed robbery on a security van were a male security guard was raped by one of the armed robbers? I've often wondered what the details surrounding that was & if the person was caught - it was genuinely shocking to hear true crime stories about male rape on tv back then.
The rape reconstruction: There's a CWUK File about it called Scarred, Starring Perry Fenwick. They caught the disgusting monster BTW. Kenneth John Harding.
Course down the road from the Park Tavern, Brentford were at home on that weekend Trevor was in charge. They lost 1-2 to Port Vale. Marcus Gayle scored for the Bees.
She should have gone back to work and they would have called her a cab. It should be a given that they would make certain their staff were seen safely home.
Absolutely fabulous.. one of the men looked about 50 ... I suppose people did look older 27 years ago.. its also a sign of the times seeing the police in recognisable uniform back then.... 2020 more nutters on the streets=more body armour..
Were you young then? If so, you'd have been looking at 1993 with the eyes of a kid. The world seems very different when we look at it through adult eyes.
The blaming of police, and not those responsible for carrying out the crimes committed, makes me sick. How many police officers have died carrying out their duties, putting their lives at risk to protect the public. And you get STUPID keyboard warriors forever looking to make accusations against them when they haven't got the guts to join the service themselves.
A lot of stupid comments all round - there are some very nasty, bitter people in this world. Has to be said though, at times over the years *some* of the police didn't exactly cover themselves in glory. The met in particular had a hard core of grossly corrupt police officers, and at times in all areas there were toe curling levels of incompetence.
Saint Nick: I gather that the man you are looking for has a beer belly and I also gather that he has mousy hair. I gather that he comes from Liverpool with connections to Bristol, and I also gather that he has a distinct Irish accent? Detective Gormless: Yes, Nick, you gather correctly. Saint Nick: Thank-you. Actually, I am very good at gathering, or so I gather.
The safe is wide open, with money taken out of it, the landlord bound and gagged...and the Policeman on the case says 'we think the crime was robbery'..No shit Sherlock!.....Apparently, according to his wife, 'Trevor was the sort of man who did everything for you, checked you in, got your boarding ticket, made sure your bags were packed properly'....why, can't she do it for herself, or is she one of those women who can't do anything without a man?...I'm sad for the guy, but some women act as if they can't put one foot in front of the other if they don't have a man in tow..
Lol totally nonsense comment . you do realise the accent can change every five mile in Britain there's about a hundred variations in England alone then there's Scotland and Wales you're talking out of your anus
Mrs Richards: "I paid for a room with a view !" Basil: (pointing to the lovely view) "That is Torquay, Madam ." Mrs Richards: "It's not good enough!" Basil: "May I ask what you were expecting to see out of a Torquay hotel bedroom window ? Sydney Opera House, perhaps? the Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically past?..." Mrs Richards: "Don't be silly! I expect to be able to see the sea!" Basil: "You can see the sea, it's over there between the land and the sky." Mrs Richards: "I'm not satisfied. But I shall stay. But I expect a reduction." Basil: "Why?! Because Krakatoa's not erupting at the moment ?"
Just found out that the last reconstruction, the South London rapist, was made into a Crimewatch File (titled 'Scarred', and the last one narrated by Sue Cook) in October 1995. It's just been uploaded to UA-cam.
I just remembered that too 👍🏻
2.30am cant sleep and watching this, definitely won't be sleeping now, from Ireland and a big thumbs up for uploading these, scary but would have you wondering what is next!
This channel is being trolled relentlessly by *Nathan Illescu.* Please report him.
Dear redcard74, This spiel at the end of the programme (don't worry, this is just the exception, so sleep tight and don't have nightmares) generally have me in stitches here in South Africa in 2019. I love these uploads, so please don't take this as criticism. In the South Africa of 2019, these have become run of the mill (as I'm sure Britain is also facing different circumstances). But to imagine that there was a time where you could say that sort of thing at the end of a crime show!
Crime in the UK has actually gone down and down since then. As of 2023, it's at its lowest ever levels. Burglary and car theft have gone down particularly massively, and murder rates are lower than the 80s or 90s.
Cheers Redcard74 for uploading crimewatch uk and I can't believe that stopped making it and this crime programme
They didn't, they changed the format. And ruined it.
Thanks, RedCard. Second time working my way through these. Appreciated! :)
Thanks Redcard74, always appreciated, although I'm a little late, lol, good afternoon all you crimewatchers, the weekend is here.....
Owen Gordon Davies was sent to jail for the murder of an 83 year old man walked out of an open prison in 2004
Don’t you just love the British prison system 😡😡😡
Cheers RedCard74! Many thanks once again!
I hope the police officers were sacked for not checking the caravan in the landlord murder
Keystone cops
Probably not. If they make mistakes they usually try and cover them up. Corrupt bastards
Yes. I couldn't believe that was conveniently not mentioned.
If they'd bothered getting out of the car and going around the back like the caller told them to, it would may well have saved his llife.
Pigs policing pigs....
Police police then self all ex coppers the indeepented police complaints
Wow, my nan lived at that old people's home in Wellingborough until 7 months before the raid shown on here, never knew about it before. What a rotten experience for the victims.
Well’rough
That area looks totally different now.
White-haired pensioners with sawn-off shotguns robbing a post-office van and shooting one of the guards. Crazy.
Michael Caine should do the film!
Thanks ago for the fab uploads ... sitting here with a cupa & toast .
Watch your cellulite luv....yuck!
Nathan Iliescu eugh your the ‘yuck’ one making thicko comments like that
@@nicolar6461 hello this person has been stalking me on here iv already blocked this person & reported them
BlytheWorld1972 sounds like an absolute freak!!
18:24 - Aitch from The Firm. Also played Bulic Forsythe in an earlier CW.
Was just about to say the same. Recognised his voice.
@@nickimontford
Ha ha yeah, it's him alright
Yeah very noticable
Indeed it is William Vanderpuye, who is now Kobi in Apple Tree House (on CBeebies)! He looks quite different now, but the voice is unmistakable.
He was also in the one foot in the grave episode ‘who will buy?’ As a bendy dinosaur salesman.
IF THEY HAD OF LOOKED ROUND THE PUB THE FIRST TIME HE MIGHT STILL BE ALIVE. THEY DID NOT SAY NOTHING ABOUT THAT . NO 1 MAKES A CALL LIKE THAT AT THAT TIME OF THE MORNING if it's not reel ???
IKR He clearly said 'it's the caravan round the back' . He could have been saved FFS. They went to the pub & looked in the windows .
@@FLOSSYTREADWELL - How do you know he was still alive when they made the call ?
@Janet Taylor
I think there was clearly a miscommunication.
The description about the victim being bound and gagged *inside the caravan,* happened to be given during the time that the phone operator was transferring the call.
It certainly wouldn't have been [properly] heard by either of the phone operators.
When the police arrived, owing to the perhaps lack of perceived urgency to unbind the victim, they may only have been acting on third (or fourth) hand information about the tavern, and NOTHING to do with a nearby caravan.
The "accountability" of the police in this instance was considerably tenuous.
Unless the true intent of the caller was perhaps murder by ""misunderstanding"", then it seems to have been an extremely unfortunate catalogue of errors by many parties.
Terribly regrettable.
Happy weekend all. I can't find info on the Amanda case (30:59). I can't figure out the spelling of her name or find details online. Any ideas?
I found an archived article written by Libby Purves archive.org/stream/NewsUK1993UKEnglish/Oct%2026%201993%2C%20The%20Times%2C%20%2364784%2C%20UK%20%28en%29_djvu.txt
It doesnt shed any more light on the case at all though.
Her name is spelt Amanda Millard
Amanda Millard
Thanks redcard. Just what I looked forward to on my day of rest. Cheers
I don't get why the first time police went to check on The Park Tavern/Trevor thry didn't as the call suggested check fbe caravan around the back? Would he still be alive now if they done that?
The operator may not have caught what the caller said about the caravan round the back - it sounds as though she was actually transferring the call to the ambulance service when he said that bit.
Was Amanda Millard's attacker ever caught? I can't find any reports after the initial artciles on the attack
Any news on Trevor Thomas? I can’t find anything.
I.F.A.I no, nor me.
Some fantastic acting in these reconstructions, you could almost be there
I'm glad I wasn't though! 😉🙏🏻
the month I was born...weird watching this episode lol
THANKS REDCARD 74 YOU ARE A GOD KEEP UPLOADS COMING MATE
Poor Trevor.
What does "LTCR" mean in the clock caption?
Leave The Camera Running
Let's tickle cute rats!
TC probably means Time Code...
V/A ERROR 28:21.
Linear time code.
Sue Cooks hair in this episode aged her badly
I beg to differ , she still looks fabulous if not a bit slimmer in this episode. The outfit she has is real perfect and the bronze heels are the icing on the cake ! The thing is if you think about it -ogling someone on TV regularly for 9 years in a row makes any slight aging more noticeable but overall the lady is nice....
Aw right kool what ever rocks your boat ya freak of nature .
BlytheWorld1972 ❤️🤣
She looks older with her hair short
The outfit isn’t brilliant, either. She needs a slip under that skirt.
Was the Castle Vale rapist ever caught? What a monster.
One thing for sure . The ford escort van was only produced at Ford Halewood .
Has anyone been convicted for Trevors murder??
The car dealer at 18:25 used to be in are you being served?.His name was Larry Martyn and he was in Dads army a few times
Ian Bousfield He played Mr. Mash. He’s lovely in comedy. :)
Played a Thief in Court in a Minder episode as well, i'm sure(Arthur was on the Jury!)
Great, sit down and watch. thanks
I tend to lean up against my home cocktail bar.
Was Trevor's killers found?
Coleshill and Castle Vale featured - not far from me. The way Hatcher pronounces Coleshill is funny.
You'd think he'd get some advice on how to pronounce it before the show.
Andy JS Pronounces it like a sat nav would! Thanks for all your uploads by the way mate!
Did I miss coleshill or are you talking about the Amanda case in Coseley, West Midlands? I'm just wondering if that's why you said she pronounced funny?
Jono Murphy 27:44.
Aaah I need to pay attention!
27.10 the first blooper I think I've seen since they started...
Yep, I think so too, and I've seen them all so far. There was a minor one recently when Hames and Cook were chatting and smiling without knowing the camera was on them, but that was on an Update programme.
@@RogerJJSmith Do you know which episode that was? I never watch the update shows.
I watched one last night, can't remember which one..... During end credits Hatcher was sitting there, looking idly on at the others, then realised, when the camera went on him, that he should probably look like he was doing something. So he picked up his pen & pretended to write something 😅
Does anyone have the episode or know the details about the armed robbery on a security van were a male security guard was raped by one of the armed robbers? I've often wondered what the details surrounding that was & if the person was caught - it was genuinely shocking to hear true crime stories about male rape on tv back then.
Was it a reconstruction or just something that was mentioned in passing?
never happened?
WTH??!! 😮😟
@@treasurehunteruk9718 it was mentioned by David the policeman & there was a photifit of the suspects
@@CARLIN4737 no it did honestly, I know it sounds morbid but it stuck in my mind because it was such a horrible & shocking thing to happen
The rape reconstruction: There's a CWUK File about it called Scarred, Starring Perry Fenwick.
They caught the disgusting monster BTW. Kenneth John Harding.
Nice one @redcard74. 'Ello Crimewatchers.
Th fella buying the van for 295 is the same actor who played Beulick Forsyth a few months back !!!!
Which episode Beulick Forsyth please?
@@emmaelwood9939 The crimewatch June 1993 show
dEan Carter thank you very much
@@emmaelwood9939 Your welcome
@@deancarter2490 You're.
38.23 can anyone read the full message please? (small screen and counter over it) - and was it ever solved?
He was caught. Looks for scarred which features this case.
Early doors.
23:56 "We'll bring it in for SOCO" but not before I open the back doors without gloves on.
See that
You know it's not a literal video of them at the crime scene right? It's a reconstruction, not every single detail is 100% accurate.
Great! Cheers Redcard
My god wish u was old enough to be on the rob back in them days knowing what I know now 😂😂
I remember having a quiet pint when two guys walked in unplugged the cigarette machine and walked out with it unchallenged.
Having it bang off😂😂
@@andrews1078 Like the tv in Phienix Nights 😀
Sue cook looks like she’s hit the wall.
Love seeing a new crimewatch in my notifications 😁😁😁 thanks redcard
Poor Amanda!! My God! Such a kind & thoughtful girl & she gets that done to her!!!! Great appeal by her mum! Did they ever get him?!
When crimewatch presenters /guests use the word "distinctive" take a drink. When they say it's distinctive but it isn't distinctive at all down a pint
Drink a shot when a bloke acting dodgy is referred to as a "chap"
Or how about when Nick says "Police want him to come forward so they can 'eliminate him from their enquiries'. Always a favourite of mine.
@@steveforest8385 haha when it blatantly obvioisly is "own up to it"
When David Hatcher says moos-stosh, have a crisp and a drink. :)
When Hatcher says Birming-hom eat a pork scratching..
Course down the road from the Park Tavern, Brentford were at home on that weekend Trevor was in charge. They lost 1-2 to Port Vale.
Marcus Gayle scored for the Bees.
23:36 Yeah I'm not bad thanks 🙄
lol
She should have gone back to work and they would have called her a cab. It should be a given that they would make certain their staff were seen safely home.
not in them days
15:44 - Chris Lowe from the Pet Shop Boys
I thought Crime Watch was really good
and AGAIN the emergency call handlers have blood on their hands via ignorance. tut
27:13 Bit awks for poor Sue there
I thought she recovered well though.
Bless her, David offered her a reassuring smile 😊
@@dk401A true professional.
what epasode has the case of the anorexic lady Carmella gamble on it ?
BlytheWorld1972 I think the 1990 or 1991 series.
March 1993 I think
At 29.37 it Jeremy Clarkson
Did they catch the post office robbers woth the shotgun?
They found an abandoned wheeled Zimmer frame standing nearby.
15:21 The Pet Shop Boys 😂
Why would a 999 dispatcher tell a caller to hold the line????
That was the operator not the ambulance service, she was telling him to hold the line whilst she connected the call to the ambulance service.
So she could connect them to the right service...
33:48 I don’t remember that sort of language on the show 😋
34:48 - CREEPY!
With all the clues about that perverted nonce,surely someone must have known who he was.Hope we find out in a later show
😱😱
Ian Bousfield they did. There was a Crimewatch file episode on him called scarred.
29:35 it's Clarkson
after a night out n a joint
Did they ever find Trevors killer?
Can't seem to find a thing online about trevors killer ever being caught
The pub was demolished in 2002. Only thing I can find is a reference to a murder in 1970 when it was called the angel inn
Barry O'Sullivan must be cursed
Googled the case and not a bean. Someone needs to set up a site or blog to investigate some of these crimewatch cases to follow the progress.
I just looked still nothing. Such a shame didn’t they check dna
If it's 11.30 am why did the little girl in the car have her school uniform on
Well I never!! My home town of Bath!!
Makes a change from your neighbour, eh?
15:15 - It's the Pet Shop Boys 😊
Again? 🤣
Have you found the mask or attachments to the mask!! Man or woman??
23:41 Van looks completely dodgy. You'd never see a Mk2 Escort van on a Y plate
my first wheels - same navy blue R reg :)
nice
Why didn't they dispatch the the ambulance to get Trevor so that he might not be dead
34:10 - Edward John Harding did it
3.40 roast potato’s and beer. Interesting lol
STANLEY Knaggs don’t get me wrong I love roast potatoes. I guess I’m just showing my age (33)
STANLEY Knaggs easily brought back though,. I’m sure there’s pubs out there that still do it.
I know of 1 pub in the east end that still does it. nice way to get people to drink more!
😳 What is that noise at 26:35? 😂😂😂
Me, dropping my almost full box of Maltesers in the background.
Absolutely fabulous.. one of the men looked about 50 ... I suppose people did look older 27 years ago.. its also a sign of the times seeing the police in recognisable uniform back then....
2020 more nutters on the streets=more body armour..
Looked like 60 not 50
I'm 46 and look NOTHING like that. The guys in the reconstruction were between 60 and 70.
18min 31sec. Actor played bulack forthsyth
Bulic Forsyth. Get it right, please.
This isn't the way I remember 93
Were you young then? If so, you'd have been looking at 1993 with the eyes of a kid. The world seems very different when we look at it through adult eyes.
Wanted by police!! Attacker wearing a mask!! When we get more details we will!! We will!! We will!!
Can’t pronounce coleshill
Sounds good to me.......🎅🎅🍾🍾🍺🍺🍺🍻🍻🍻🍻
The blaming of police, and not those responsible for carrying out the crimes committed, makes me sick. How many police officers have died carrying out their duties, putting their lives at risk to protect the public. And you get STUPID keyboard warriors forever looking to make accusations against them when they haven't got the guts to join the service themselves.
A lot of stupid comments all round - there are some very nasty, bitter people in this world. Has to be said though, at times over the years *some* of the police didn't exactly cover themselves in glory. The met in particular had a hard core of grossly corrupt police officers, and at times in all areas there were toe curling levels of incompetence.
Seriously?
18:28 bulic Forsythe is your man
Well done 👍
We know.
29:05 Sylvia Kristel after a very heavy night out
Momal mwam.
RedCard, have you Got 2OO4 EP Of CrImewatCh UK bbC1 wIv John
LuPer
21:16 Captain Obvious
Sue's outfit suits her, nice legs too, but still not keen on that hair do😕
Sue looks sexy af
Always does, always will.
Becksy?
Bobby dazzler
You sound like David Dickinson...
Cheap as chips.
Saint Nick: I gather that the man you are looking for has a beer belly and I also gather that he has mousy hair. I gather that he comes from Liverpool with connections to Bristol, and I also gather that he has a distinct Irish accent?
Detective Gormless: Yes, Nick, you gather correctly.
Saint Nick: Thank-you. Actually, I am very good at gathering, or so I gather.
Umbilical hernia scar seems most likely from description given by Saint Nick who, by the way, wears a wig.
The safe is wide open, with money taken out of it, the landlord bound and gagged...and the Policeman on the case says 'we think the crime was robbery'..No shit Sherlock!.....Apparently, according to his wife, 'Trevor was the sort of man who did everything for you, checked you in, got your boarding ticket, made sure your bags were packed properly'....why, can't she do it for herself, or is she one of those women who can't do anything without a man?...I'm sad for the guy, but some women act as if they can't put one foot in front of the other if they don't have a man in tow..
Some are just fuck holes...
25.00 minutes....Why the long face fella?
The actor playing Trevor was really annoying for some reason.
£10,000 reward? Paaaaaafff … I won more than that when I was on The Chase.
£10k in 1993 is equivalent to £25k in 2024
@@booers79 … and I won even more than that on The Chase! …
The problem with the phone call in the first story is all British people sound alike. So there would be no way to tell the difference.
obviously not from Britain are you 😂
Joe Anderson Oh thank heavens no.
Irish, Scots, Welsh and English accents of all dialects and classes would disagree.
Lol totally nonsense comment .
you do realise the accent can change every five mile in Britain there's about a hundred variations in England alone then there's Scotland and Wales you're talking out of your anus
@@joeanderson7316 he's an idiot clearly
Mrs Richards: "I paid for a room with a view !"
Basil: (pointing to the lovely view) "That is Torquay, Madam ."
Mrs Richards: "It's not good enough!"
Basil: "May I ask what you were expecting to see out of a Torquay hotel bedroom window ? Sydney Opera House, perhaps? the Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically past?..."
Mrs Richards: "Don't be silly! I expect to be able to see the sea!"
Basil: "You can see the sea, it's over there between the land and the sky."
Mrs Richards: "I'm not satisfied. But I shall stay. But I expect a reduction."
Basil: "Why?! Because Krakatoa's not erupting at the moment ?"
Not you again! Commenting the same thing all the time 🙄🥱
YES AND YOUR POINT IS ?@@AACE73
Goddam, you're trite and tedious.