Them not picking Logan Thompson is an absolute abysmal Canadian decision. It is clear that politics are playing a role in the selection in some of the players.
@@ricefarmer42069 Too old and slow, that's why. Despite his size (6-3), Carlson isn't particularly good at defending either. He's a PP specialist and USA has plenty of younger, faster players to choose from.
He has had only one good tournament on the men's stage though. So hard to say that he has always been a beast. He has only been to two. In the juniors he was great though.
@@ogdentaylor7473 On the juniors buddy. It was over 10 years ago 🤦🏻♂️. On men's team he has been alright but not a beast. Unlike u, I have watched all his games for Finland so I think I know better than u how he has played. Like I said one good men's tournament and in that one he was a beast. The last tournament he was on, he played pretty weak...
“Eklund maybe more of a skill softer guy” he’s actually improved his two way game a lot. He uses his speed and body positioning very well to win puck battles. He also isn’t afraid to use his body despite being a smaller player. He’s also great on the PK. I feel like people look at his height and the stat sheet and just assume he’s some offense only, small skill guy. He could definitely grind it out on the 4th line wing for this team Sweden roster
Trocheck is arguably the best center face-off guy in the league. Plays gritty hockey and is good on both sides. Proven playoff performer. I know he is struggling but he is very valuable.
I'd take Thompson over Kreider and Trochek. Agreed on Eklund being a big miss. Don't think Hyman or Bedard deserve it. Would definitely have Bouchard or Weegar over Sanheim regardless. Montembeault is a weak choice IMO.
Bouchard is a really good offensive dmen but he don’t gonna have pp time in this team (maybe if he was on the second pp but im not sure that the second pp will have a good toi) and he is not really reletable in the defensive zone In an tournament like that, if you have already a guy that run your pp (Makar) you dont pick a dmen that gonna be pretty bad in the d zone
I'd take Keller over Guentzel, that's for sure. Keller is a far better skater and playmaker. He drives play. Guentzel is rather static. Just hangs out by the net and scores a lot. That said, I'd take Tage Thompson over both of them. How the hell can USA pass on a 6-6 center with 13 goals in 20 games!? Smh...
@@JM-gj7deGuentzel has the playoff pedigree same thing can’t be said for Keller since he hasn’t made the playoffs so you don’t know how he performs under pressure it’s a much safer choice then Keller.
@@zestplays I know exactly how Guentzel performs under pressure. I've been watching him play hockey since his days at Hill-Murray High School. I'm not at all outraged at his selection. I just don't understand how he gets chosen over Keller...a guy with a superb Team USA pedigree, captain of his team and a driver of play. Or, Thompson...a 6-6 monster center with an absolute bomb of a shot. Guentzel has a lot of value. Just see others as having more.
@JM-gj7de Clayton Keller played for team USA in the under 18s that’s not even remotely close to a Stanley Cup Playoff Game so I wouldn’t classify it as superb USA pedigree.
@@zestplays Clayton Keller is ranked 4th in total points (189) for the U.S. National Team Development Program, behind only Jack Hughes, Cole Eiserman and Will Smith. He played for USA at the 2017 World Junior Championships and won a GOLD MEDAL...in Canada, no less! Furthermore, he's played for USA at the World Championships on two occasions. Doesn't get much better when it comes to having a USA hockey pedigree. By comparison, Jake Guentzel has done fuck all for his country. Nothing. Zero. Nada.
well i am biased i absolutely agree scheifele should be on team he is 5th highest scoring forward for canada only MacKinnon, mcdavid, marner and reinhart have more points he has absolutely lethal shot. shooting 25 % right now better than reinhart even better than draisaitl. weegar also really should have made team literally willing to do it all plays in all situations and for scoring dman very willing hitter. really wanted pionk to make team usa. suzuki, strome, tavares and several others should have at least been given more consideration. drake batherson, dylan guenther, matt duchene, robert thomas and connor mcmichael were also some fringe considerations of mine, at the very least every single forward i have mentioned here should have made the team before seth jarvis
Cerelli also I know Cooper is the coach but Suz has a better production last year and their production is pretty equal this year In my opinion scheifele is a better option to
John Carlson should be there over Faber he’s been underrated his whole career it’s fried that he got cut, he’s kinda like Petro but with more offence. I’d be furious if I was an American fan
The hand-wrining over canada's goaltending is overblown. Their defensive core is absolutely nuts offensively and defensively. Wouldnt be surprised if they just grind everyone to dust with posession time.
Hampus Lindholm, when healthy, is an unbelievable defenseman who absolutely deserves a spot here. He had a phenomenal start to this season, easily the best Bruin to start the year. He hasn’t played in over a month and the B’s have been absolutely worse off since.
Don't forget it's likely not all players want to participate in this tournament. It's possible some were asked and turned down the offer for the time with their family
montembault is an absolute work horse the reason his numbers are not stellar is because montreals defense is hardly a beacon of consistency theyve probly got the guys now but still lack the chemistry and understanding of their systems
Say Kreider shouldn’t be on the team all you want but at limited even strength minutes he’s perfect for this USA team. Solid defensively with some speed and skill on the 4th line. Park him in front of the net on the power play and play him on the penalty kill and you will get good results. He’s a gamer.
Sanheim has been good offensively for Philly, he’s an excellent skater, can play both sides, great defensively. I understand that’ll weegar shout but Yh. Horrible seeing some of the sanheim hate on twitter. Parayko is more of a shock than sanheim imo.
Pretty disrespectful not picking a single capital player, they’re at the top of the eastern conference and they have players having really strong season. Strome top 10 in points in the entire league, John Carlson is still an absolute beast, Logan Thompson has better stats/play than all of these Canadian goalies
@MikeBartner considering Jokiharju has been played bigger minutes than Hakanpää I figured he'd get the nod, maybe partner with Mikkola to make a decent second pair.
Give me Tage and Keller over Kreider and Trochek for USA. I understand “leadership” and “role players” but 1.) despite the bragging rights I doubt this will be as insanely physical as an Olympic match, and 2.) both are versatile 200ft players capable of slotting all over the lineup. Intangibles get overblown by the good ol boys in front offices
To be fair Sanheim is better than parayko and pietrangelo and is similar to Theodore. Sanheim also plays the right side as a left d and is very good at playing the off side. Agree with your Nelson take though dude is a consistent 30 and 30 + guy on an offensive decrepit team
Feel like Suzuki still would be a better 4th line C then Cerelli. Maybe I need to watch more tbl but I mean Suzuki would do a lot as a great faceoff taker. Solid shooter and passer. And also very solid for pk. And no this isn't me just saying every Hab deserves a spot. I still think Armia and Monty were probably the 2 worst picks respectfully
Cirelli and Suzuki are both great players that are about the same level. The reason why Cirelli was picked is the chemistry between him and Hagel. Might have the best chemistry in the league tbh.
@@4u2nvHock3y Cirelli has always been better on defence than Suzuki 😂. Also there is the fact that Cirelli is a role player which makes his point amount less. Cirelli has experince on winning and is usually taking the defensive faceoffs. 1st lines are always thrown into the offensive faceoffs and also Suzuki gets more icetime. Cirelli has better tool kit for a tournament like this. I love Suzuki and had him going too. But I too would have chosen Cirelli over him all day every day. And again the Hagel Cirelli chemistry is a huge factor as well.
I know a LOT of these guys really want to represent their nation, but I rather NOT have Samheim, Konecny and Risto playing in this. our play style is TOUGH and I rather have the Flyer Make the Playoffs and frustrate some team(s)
Because they aren’t, the only thing that brings this close is Canada’s goaltending. Idc where you’re from or what your bias is, any team with Crosby Makar MacKinnon and McDavid is cracked
@matthewschoen3D Far better goaltending obviously but outside of that I think they have much better defence and better forward depth. The forward starpower obviously favours Canada, but it’s not like the US doesn’t have starpower. Matthews - J. Hughes - M. Tkachuk - Q. Hughes as the top 4 players on top of the insane depth they have I’d lean USA for forwards as well Canada is structured better if this was an 82 game NHL regular season, but personally i think people are overvaluing that. I’d rather have 12 all stars than a “gritty fourth line” in a 4 team tournament. The fact that Tage Thompson and Clayton Keller would both easily make team Canada proves that.
Team USA players are all top tier 2 talent, nothing spectacular.. other than the goalies. Their best player (Mathews) as well as the goalies disappear when the games get intense and meaningful in the playoffs. The US is a good middling team with potentially great goalies. Whereas Canada is a great team throughout with middling goaltenders and a couple of middle level defensemen.
As a biased Canadian I think Canada still easily wins this tournament. USA is really strong and Canada’s goaltending scares me but Canada is just gonna want it more especially McDavid because it’s his first best on best tournament playing for Canada and Sid because it might be his last
Also no Capitals players making the team is ridiculous. Logan Thompson, Wilson, Strome, Carlson, and even Chychrun this season all should have gotten consideration. Atleast one should have made it from that group
Fucking absurdly ridiculous? Really? Can you even put together a functioning roster of Russian NHL players with their center situation? They'd get cooked
Bedard should have never been in this conversation. Overhyped unproven kid who is only collecting points doesn't have a clue how to play winning hockey
USA already has a ton of skill, so bringing in Kreider is a good move in my opinion. If he ends up on PP1, he's second to none in the deflection department and has mastered goalie screening and rebounding. That's about the only part of his game that is visible this season; his once league leading speed has disappeared. Trocheck is great at the dot and Nelson is another good depth player.
Them not picking Logan Thompson is an absolute abysmal Canadian decision. It is clear that politics are playing a role in the selection in some of the players.
ALSO NO JONH CARLSON???????????????????????
Capitals go hosed
They should've picked Thompson over Binnington, he sucks ass
@@ricefarmer42069 Too old and slow, that's why. Despite his size (6-3), Carlson isn't particularly good at defending either. He's a PP specialist and USA has plenty of younger, faster players to choose from.
How could "politics" possibly explain this
Joel Armia is always a beast for his country, and a PK specialist
He has had only one good tournament on the men's stage though. So hard to say that he has always been a beast. He has only been to two. In the juniors he was great though.
@@vilsfrid1566 Not hard to say he's always been a beast. 52 points in 48 games playing on his national team. Weird thing to nitpick.
@@ogdentaylor7473 On the juniors buddy. It was over 10 years ago 🤦🏻♂️. On men's team he has been alright but not a beast. Unlike u, I have watched all his games for Finland so I think I know better than u how he has played. Like I said one good men's tournament and in that one he was a beast. The last tournament he was on, he played pretty weak...
Call me insane and biased, I would take both John Carlson and luke hughes over hanifin. Luke has been so impressive
Agreed Hanifin is overhyped IMO
Vlasic over hanifin
For VGK Hanifin has been on ice for for the last 15/17 goals against😅😅
He is -7 in vegas 😂
“Eklund maybe more of a skill softer guy” he’s actually improved his two way game a lot. He uses his speed and body positioning very well to win puck battles. He also isn’t afraid to use his body despite being a smaller player. He’s also great on the PK.
I feel like people look at his height and the stat sheet and just assume he’s some offense only, small skill guy. He could definitely grind it out on the 4th line wing for this team Sweden roster
100% Eklund definitely has some grit to his game!
Against other stars hes not ready
Trocheck is arguably the best center face-off guy in the league. Plays gritty hockey and is good on both sides. Proven playoff performer. I know he is struggling but he is very valuable.
How did Suzuki not make, it like what!!!!
Capitals disrespected
Right, 0 players that's so insane
Agree. Probably tons of political crap behind the scenes.
@@johntran2252 huh? like people skipped Caps players just because they're on the Caps? Any other insinuation would be kinda stupid.
Brodin as an extra is INSANE! He is one of if not the best shutdown defensemen in the NHL.
Agreed! The Sweds might have the best defense imo
I'd take Thompson over Kreider and Trochek.
Agreed on Eklund being a big miss.
Don't think Hyman or Bedard deserve it. Would definitely have Bouchard or Weegar over Sanheim regardless. Montembeault is a weak choice IMO.
You know puck!
Bouchard is a really good offensive dmen but he don’t gonna have pp time in this team (maybe if he was on the second pp but im not sure that the second pp will have a good toi) and he is not really reletable in the defensive zone
In an tournament like that, if you have already a guy that run your pp (Makar) you dont pick a dmen that gonna be pretty bad in the d zone
Biggest snubs were Weegar, Eklund, and both Thompsons. Everyone else you can argue both for and against.
1000% agreed!
John Carlson was also snubbed he’s having a great year
Like Logan Thompson is LITTERALY the best goalie Canada has right now. Crazy how they didn't choose him
I think Adam lowry really should've atleast been the 13th forward. Defensively incredible considering the goalie situation.
USA not taking Keller is the most shocking to me
I'd take Keller over Guentzel, that's for sure. Keller is a far better skater and playmaker. He drives play. Guentzel is rather static. Just hangs out by the net and scores a lot. That said, I'd take Tage Thompson over both of them. How the hell can USA pass on a 6-6 center with 13 goals in 20 games!? Smh...
@@JM-gj7deGuentzel has the playoff pedigree same thing can’t be said for Keller since he hasn’t made the playoffs so you don’t know how he performs under pressure it’s a much safer choice then Keller.
@@zestplays I know exactly how Guentzel performs under pressure. I've been watching him play hockey since his days at Hill-Murray High School. I'm not at all outraged at his selection. I just don't understand how he gets chosen over Keller...a guy with a superb Team USA pedigree, captain of his team and a driver of play. Or, Thompson...a 6-6 monster center with an absolute bomb of a shot. Guentzel has a lot of value. Just see others as having more.
@JM-gj7de Clayton Keller played for team USA in the under 18s that’s not even remotely close to a Stanley Cup Playoff Game so I wouldn’t classify it as superb USA pedigree.
@@zestplays Clayton Keller is ranked 4th in total points (189) for the U.S. National Team Development Program, behind only Jack Hughes, Cole Eiserman and Will Smith. He played for USA at the 2017 World Junior Championships and won a GOLD MEDAL...in Canada, no less! Furthermore, he's played for USA at the World Championships on two occasions. Doesn't get much better when it comes to having a USA hockey pedigree. By comparison, Jake Guentzel has done fuck all for his country. Nothing. Zero. Nada.
Biggest suprises for me where Eklund, Scheifle, Weegar, Keller and Thompson
Eklund and Tage are top for me
well i am biased i absolutely agree scheifele should be on team he is 5th highest scoring forward for canada only MacKinnon, mcdavid, marner and reinhart have more points he has absolutely lethal shot. shooting 25 % right now better than reinhart even better than draisaitl. weegar also really should have made team literally willing to do it all plays in all situations and for scoring dman very willing hitter. really wanted pionk to make team usa. suzuki, strome, tavares and several others should have at least been given more consideration. drake batherson, dylan guenther, matt duchene, robert thomas and connor mcmichael were also some fringe considerations of mine, at the very least every single forward i have mentioned here should have made the team before seth jarvis
Mike on behalf of all sharks fans, thank you for mentioning Eklund and Zetterlund being snubbed🙏🙏
Sanheim is top 5 on TOI he’s improved a lot better offensively and defensively also having chemistry with tk? don’t understand the disrespect imo
He just hates flyers
@@pipoj5fr he just corny for hating on them all the time
NO Capitals bro thats so dumb. Wilson, Strome, Calrson, AND Thompson all deserved to be on at least one team.
Tom wilson💀
@pipoj5 he was about point per game and playing top tier defense lol.
I think Suzuki, Tavares or Scheifele could’ve gotten a spot over Bennet, Jarvis and Stone
Cerelli also
I know Cooper is the coach but Suz has a better production last year and their production is pretty equal this year
In my opinion scheifele is a better option to
Stone is a solid pick for a fairly offence heavy team picking a good two way forward is smart, i do agree otherwise
@@Frizzyy you know your hockey
I aggred with you
Can't believe Eklund didn't make it!
great player but only 5 goals so far is not very impressing
Crazy stuff, better make it in 2026
@@WatchLiveClips But he's been so much better than other players on the roster
@@WatchLiveClips The kids got 23 pts in 27 games. Arvidsson has 5pts in 16 and will probably be on IR
Blackwoods having such a good season think he should’ve had a look
Over Monty probably
Anybody who imagines Parayko offers nothing offensively simply does not watch hockey.
Eklund one of the biggest snubs smh, their gonna see why they should have picked him
As a Sharks fan I'm proud of all these people coming to his defense and saying he was snubbed
John Carlson should be there over Faber he’s been underrated his whole career it’s fried that he got cut, he’s kinda like Petro but with more offence. I’d be furious if I was an American fan
Only returned from 2014 and a 2018 Cup winner
Sanheim has more points than weegar mhm
The hand-wrining over canada's goaltending is overblown. Their defensive core is absolutely nuts offensively and defensively. Wouldnt be surprised if they just grind everyone to dust with posession time.
hey mike, ive seen no comments on dobson, did he decline to play? i thought he was forsure a top 4 dman for canada.
Nah he's just been brutal for me
@@MikeBartner ah gotcha, thanks
Hampus Lindholm, when healthy, is an unbelievable defenseman who absolutely deserves a spot here. He had a phenomenal start to this season, easily the best Bruin to start the year. He hasn’t played in over a month and the B’s have been absolutely worse off since.
Big game clutch performer Carter Verhaeghe snubbed
Don't forget it's likely not all players want to participate in this tournament. It's possible some were asked and turned down the offer for the time with their family
Watched on 10x speed and I completely agree Eklund was snubbed
HAHAHAA
Agree on team sweden zetterlund and eklund were egregious snubs.
Eklund? Absolutely. Zetterlund? Arguable, I could have seen it going either way (as a sharks fan).
As a leafs fan I am happy swayman made it over stolarz. Gives Canada a better chance at winning
I dont understand the weegar snub
Can’t believe they put krides Vinny over Cole,tage,boeser,even debrinct
You cant have all four all offense lines
Eklund and zetterlund should be on Sweden and I want to know how much montembault paid to get onto team Canada
Shocking how damn Arvdisson made it over them!
Montembeault has been a top 15 starting goalie in the league for the past 2 years
montembault is an absolute work horse the reason his numbers are not stellar is because montreals defense is hardly a beacon of consistency theyve probly got the guys now but still lack the chemistry and understanding of their systems
Say Kreider shouldn’t be on the team all you want but at limited even strength minutes he’s perfect for this USA team. Solid defensively with some speed and skill on the 4th line. Park him in front of the net on the power play and play him on the penalty kill and you will get good results. He’s a gamer.
Sanheim has been good offensively for Philly, he’s an excellent skater, can play both sides, great defensively. I understand that’ll weegar shout but Yh. Horrible seeing some of the sanheim hate on twitter. Parayko is more of a shock than sanheim imo.
That US team is disgusting 🤢
For sure
I don’t get Parayko over Dobson
Better shutdown d
Pretty disrespectful not picking a single capital player, they’re at the top of the eastern conference and they have players having really strong season. Strome top 10 in points in the entire league, John Carlson is still an absolute beast, Logan Thompson has better stats/play than all of these Canadian goalies
Sad Robo didn’t make it but completely get why on pace for only 48 points this year 😢 he misses pavelski
Missed chance for PuLaAho line. Jesse should have made the team just for nostalgic reasons (2015 world juniors)
I called Nelson and got shit for it in the comments section. Looks like I was right.
You know puck
Jani Hakanpää over Henri Jokiharju is a bit weird.
Agreed
@MikeBartner considering Jokiharju has been played bigger minutes than Hakanpää I figured he'd get the nod, maybe partner with Mikkola to make a decent second pair.
feel suzuki should have made Canada
Give me Tage and Keller over Kreider and Trochek for USA. I understand “leadership” and “role players” but 1.) despite the bragging rights I doubt this will be as insanely physical as an Olympic match, and 2.) both are versatile 200ft players capable of slotting all over the lineup. Intangibles get overblown by the good ol boys in front offices
To be fair Sanheim is better than parayko and pietrangelo and is similar to Theodore. Sanheim also plays the right side as a left d and is very good at playing the off side. Agree with your Nelson take though dude is a consistent 30 and 30 + guy on an offensive decrepit team
Chychrun should’ve been there over Sanheim, him or Weegar
Yup
Faber over Vlasic… boooooo. Pickles is quickly becoming an under-known beast on D.
You look like Erikson Ek
YESSSSSIIIIRR get that all the time
@@MikeBartner 😂😂😂 great video bro once again love the daily content
Feel like Suzuki still would be a better 4th line C then Cerelli. Maybe I need to watch more tbl but I mean Suzuki would do a lot as a great faceoff taker. Solid shooter and passer. And also very solid for pk. And no this isn't me just saying every Hab deserves a spot. I still think Armia and Monty were probably the 2 worst picks respectfully
Cirelli and Suzuki are both great players that are about the same level. The reason why Cirelli was picked is the chemistry between him and Hagel. Might have the best chemistry in the league tbh.
@vilsfrid1566 man that's just crazy recentsy bias. Cirellis career high is 45 points. Suzuki it's 77. Not to mention Suzuki is a better defender
@@4u2nvHock3y Cirelli has always been better on defence than Suzuki 😂. Also there is the fact that Cirelli is a role player which makes his point amount less. Cirelli has experince on winning and is usually taking the defensive faceoffs. 1st lines are always thrown into the offensive faceoffs and also Suzuki gets more icetime. Cirelli has better tool kit for a tournament like this. I love Suzuki and had him going too. But I too would have chosen Cirelli over him all day every day. And again the Hagel Cirelli chemistry is a huge factor as well.
I know a LOT of these guys really want to represent their nation, but I rather NOT have Samheim, Konecny and Risto playing in this. our play style is TOUGH and I rather have the Flyer Make the Playoffs and frustrate some team(s)
So ur selfish just admit it.
Not a big fan of a mellow Tage in a bottom 6 role lol
thompson, talbot, or blackwood over binnginton and hill
No Patrick Kane is crazy to me
In 2024 makes plenty of sense imo, he's too much of a liability defensively
@ yeah that’s fair but he kinda adds a veteran/ has the cups and everything similar to what you were saying about quick.
Kane is waaaaaaaaay past his prime, that's why.
@ I agree but I still think he would have been a decent option.
Caufield disrespect!!!
Panthers everywhere 🐀🐀🐀
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I genuinely think USA is leaps and bounds ahead of Canada. I don’t know why people act like it’s close. And I’m Canadian.
Because they aren’t, the only thing that brings this close is Canada’s goaltending. Idc where you’re from or what your bias is, any team with Crosby Makar MacKinnon and McDavid is cracked
Canada has the best forwards. If they can outscore their problems, they’ll do well.
How is USA "leaps and bounds" ahead of Canada? You gotta at least give some justification if you're gonna make a wild claim like that.
@ yeah, far better goaltending, marginally better d and weaker forwards equates with a saw off in my mind.
@matthewschoen3D Far better goaltending obviously but outside of that I think they have much better defence and better forward depth. The forward starpower obviously favours Canada, but it’s not like the US doesn’t have starpower. Matthews - J. Hughes - M. Tkachuk - Q. Hughes as the top 4 players on top of the insane depth they have I’d lean USA for forwards as well
Canada is structured better if this was an 82 game NHL regular season, but personally i think people are overvaluing that. I’d rather have 12 all stars than a “gritty fourth line” in a 4 team tournament. The fact that Tage Thompson and Clayton Keller would both easily make team Canada proves that.
I’m so unbelievably happy that bouchard did not make it🤩
USA is the most balanced team, but Canada is the most explosive (potentially).
Agreed
Team USA players are all top tier 2 talent, nothing spectacular.. other than the goalies. Their best player (Mathews) as well as the goalies disappear when the games get intense and meaningful in the playoffs. The US is a good middling team with potentially great goalies. Whereas Canada is a great team throughout with middling goaltenders and a couple of middle level defensemen.
As a biased Canadian I think Canada still easily wins this tournament. USA is really strong and Canada’s goaltending scares me but Canada is just gonna want it more especially McDavid because it’s his first best on best tournament playing for Canada and Sid because it might be his last
Where's the best on best tournament?
Too bad Bennet isn’t gonna have his Matt Tkachuk as his partner to jump people🤣
Not having Russia as one of the nations is fucking absurdly ridiculous
Also no Capitals players making the team is ridiculous. Logan Thompson, Wilson, Strome, Carlson, and even Chychrun this season all should have gotten consideration. Atleast one should have made it from that group
Fucking absurdly ridiculous? Really? Can you even put together a functioning roster of Russian NHL players with their center situation? They'd get cooked
Unfortunatly it IS politics.
Bedard should have never been in this conversation. Overhyped unproven kid who is only collecting points doesn't have a clue how to play winning hockey
@ yes and due that reason shouldn't be in this conversation
USA already has a ton of skill, so bringing in Kreider is a good move in my opinion. If he ends up on PP1, he's second to none in the deflection department and has mastered goalie screening and rebounding. That's about the only part of his game that is visible this season; his once league leading speed has disappeared.
Trocheck is great at the dot and Nelson is another good depth player.