I was once a ramp agent. It is a very demanding job. You are picking up tons of 50 plus pound bags and moving them, sometimes in extreme heat. We would sweat so much, we didn't pee. They warn you day number one about engine ingestion and about not getting close to them. There was never a single second I was not aware of my distance. Still yet, this happens every single year. I cannot imagine the terror once you know you are getting sucked up.
@@torengallagher8368 Wow. You must be a superhuman to be able to collectively pick up thousands of pounds a day and have it be easy. Share your secret.
@@robertgantry2118 a lot of "them things" work daily at the airports and perform their job safely. It's disheartening to see that so many people like you exist. It's a sad way to live
@@joyceshiver6622 Two common issue we had while working on the ramp, the complacency that develops after months/years on the ramp and the tunnel vision that accurs while focused on a specific task.
My daughter worked as a ramp agent. She brought/parked the planes with those red flashlights and unloaded and packed the luggage. I always pray for her safety. She was actually promoted off of the ramp, focusing on safety. Thank God! My condolences to the girl and her family.
My ninth-grade woodshop teacher told us that the day we lose respect for the machines we were using would be the day we decided we would eventually get hurt. Decades later, I haven’t forgotten that.
As a MS patient myself, I'm gobsmacked that she was allowed to work in this physically and mentally demanding job. My main symptom is the sudden onset of a zombielike tiredness, where I lose control over my body, stumble or in general can't move as accurately as I would when rested. In this state I also don't care what is going on around me - my whole focus is on getting to a place where I can rest. Cannabis is used for treatment of pain for MS patients - obviously not a good mix for any kind of job.
Absolutely agree 💯 especially with the statement she made to the neurologist about her arms and legs. Just doesn't seem like she should have been anywhere near a jet engine or plane
I agree. She deserves credit for holding a job despite her serious medical condition of MS. It's so sad that she didn't have a safer job. Prayers for her loved ones and hopefully she is with the Lord.
@@abc-wv4inNOT everyone can be mainstreamed in every job! This proves it. I worked with this guy with a spinal injury. Brad basically couldn't do squat anymore. But we accomodated him everywhere we could. He wrecked his van twice for driving too fast. Insurance company dropped him/he list his license.He kept falling out of his chair so we bought special chairs. He fell out of them . Eventually, risk management had to step in and say "No More". We were a bank processing center. As safe and easy as anything was ever going to be. He had a special needs apartment that every day atleast once, someone had to break in/call EMS to come pick him up out of the floor. Finally, his family intervened, brought him home, and ysed the 5 grand he was getting a month to hire 24/7 care. I wonder WHAT this airline was trying to prove by putting this person on the flight line?
My husband and I worked together for 20 years on general aviation planes, both prop and jet engines, you'd be surprised how many people we've had to yell at for getting too close. If you don't respect the machines you'll pay dearly.
Absolutely. I was taught very early on in my aviation career, “Never Be Complacent,” and it has been my rule. I’ve witnessed two accidents and thankfully both guys survived. Never turn your back on the engines and keep “clueless” people away from the airplanes. If an employee made me nervous on the line, I let my supervisor know immediately. Those gut instincts were never wrong and almost every case, those clueless employees were terminated before an incident could occur.
@heathermetz3974 yep, getting stoned before was ridiculously complacent. I know this is terrible to say but with that in her system her people won't be able to sue, she should've never been on the ramp.
Powerful deadly machines shouldn't be running while ground staff are on in the vicinity. Why can't luggage be loaded in the plane whole those engines are off? Why are staff working together to keep themselves and others safe? They just found a body in the wheelwell of a united airlines plane.
@@MzYumYum69 the engine was on because the electrical system wasn't working, that's the only way to get power to the plane. It's part of the job to work around engines, no one that's stoned should've ever been out there and she'd already been written up for compliancy, following the rules would've saved her life. No excuses, she'd worked there for almost two years. Her coworker actually was motioning at her to not get any closer and she was briefed beforehand. There had been a safety meeting right before telling her the situation and to not approach the engine until it was shutdown but she didn't listen.
Unfortunately you’re going to get people arguing with you about how she never should’ve been doing the job bc of her medical condition, yet won’t address the fact she never told her employer about it. Then you’re going to get people saying she had no choice bc 3 kids at home. There’s no winning, that’s why companies will just settle behind the scene, the family may get a couple thousand and that’s about it.
I’m an airline captain and started as a ramp agent. I remember hearing about this from a fellow pilot at the airline I fly for. So terrible, one of my biggest fears especially when we have a deferred APU I try to call OPs ahead of time while en route to remind them of our deferred status and the need to keep an engine running until the GPU is plugged in. May she rest in peace, just awful situation.
I’ll add that in the 4 years that I operated the aircraft in this case, E-170-175, I’ve had a deferred APU twice, so it is a relatively rare occurrence.
I worked on the flight deck in the US Navy. I watch so many disaster videos in training by the time they let me up there, These images were seared into my mind. My worst nightmare.
@@GreaterSociety how my dad(he's 75) got out of Fiji was getting a job on a ship that laid cables, he said one of the craziest things he's seen was someone's foot get caught on a rope and dragged out to sea never to be seen again.
I was Airforce. I was freaked out the first time I saw my sergeant walk directly under a C-17 engine while running (with a hat on!) …he knew he wasn’t getting sucked in at idle percentage but what a horrible example to young airman. He was like a 17 year staff sergeant so…🤷♂️. He actually was prob one of the best mechanics but he could’ve gotten someone else hurt or killed if they thought they could do that anytime.
I was a plane captain in the Navy. I stopped many careless new guys from standing up in front of a turning engine. I've seen one get sucked in. I never understood it. The training videos show how dangerous it is.
Some jobs are dangerous due to its nature. Not being totally present during these situations can be fatal. Smoking weed, drinking, thinking about things at home can kill you. These machines or situations do not care about your attitude.
@@3mindgame To be fair, all airline personnel are subject to random FAA drug testing….so I doubt weed was part of the equation….possible, but not probable.
I worked on these Embraer aircraft as a line maintenance mechanic for 13 years and this is a very good and accurate analysis except one point about about being aware of the engine running. The lower noise of these modern high bypass General Electric turbofan engines blends in very well with the loud environment of an airport ramp / gate where other aircraft APU and engines are running in the background. There were times where I could be standing to the side of the engine and not be 100% sure if its running because they are not that loud on idle compared to the background environment.
With all due respect, this happened at Montgomery Regional, which only serves two airlines and four destinations with six gates; it's not going to be the cacophony that most of us are picturing.
While in the Air Force working on the ramp with F4 Phantom aircraft which are loud as hell, I remember that if Approaching the aircraft or it taxiing past you and turning at certain angles, the engine sound could be completely eliminated! I never asked but i assumed that the sound waves echoing off hangars, other aircraft would cancel out the sound from a specific aircraft. I also assumed other sounds helped to drown out the noise but that noise cancelling was for real.
As a ramp agent myself, we are taught very early that you wait until the flashing red lights under the plane are off before you go near plane. And even then you have to keep an eye on the rotating blades powering down. Loads of dangers all around, you need eyes on the back of your head.
She had "relapsing-remitting multiple sclerosis" (MS). People with MS are considered "neurodivergent". *"Under the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, neurodiversity is a protected class. Best practices in DEI require addressing equity and inclusion with neurodivergent individuals just as much as with race, religion, gender, national origin, etc."*
@@bestdjaf7499 now at the aerospace giant where I work, the list of "disabilities" covered by ADA, HIPAA, The EOC, HHS, DEI includes "Drug and Alcohol abuse, dependency"...so getting wasted on the job puts you squarely in a protected victim class.
This is no joke… I worked at ohare airport as a ramp agent. I almost walked pass an engine and my manager grabbed me before i could proceed potentially saving my life… i was new and completely forgot the rule trying to work hard
I was a F/A-18 final checker. We had to get under the airplane while engines were running to check hydraulic plugs and other items. We had very specific ways to get to where we were going and they did not cross over inlets and exhaust. You cannot zone out around airplanes ever. It's not like the swat team checking the address for a no knock raid and getting the house next door, you have to get it right the first time every time.
@@BuzzyStreet Sorry. It's the internet...A LOT of people say crazy things and actually mean them literally. What was in my mind was that there was a story where a no-knock raid wound up getting an innocent person killed, and there were all kinds of rude comments about the physical appearance of the victim. I think that's why it went over my head.
I don't understand why someone with MS was even working. Why wasn't she on disability? The disease is debilitating. I'm sure her use of maryjane was to help to ease some of the discomfort from the disease. I watched my cousin who had this horrible disease and sometimes she went for months where she couldn't even walk and she would bloat up (she was normally thin). It was extremely hard to watch. She eventually died from it. I feel nothing but sympathy for that girl.
MS can cause a fugue-like state. So can fatigue, which may have been a factor when a chronically ill single parent is working 10 hour shifts in demanding physical labour
Single mother of 3, health issues, working a demanding job, cannabis use, etc. I’m sure she was tired and that affected her being as alert as she should have been. Sometimes working people are just tired. I went to law school. I understand negligence, wrongful death, etc. and these are the legal issues that will be argued in lawsuits. But there are other issues involved beyond just legalities. This woman was dealing with a lot of challenges and still getting up and working a demanding full-time job every day. She was just tired and not paying attention. Who among us has not been in the same condition while working? Unfortunately, because of the nature of her job, being tired and not being alert cost this woman her life. RIP❤️🙏
I read a follow up on this story and the airline was fined by OSHA as a result of this incident for several safety violations in addition to the victim’s death. My condolences to the victim’s family.
The airline should never have succumbed to dei. Most airlines have, though, unfortunately, resulting in airplanes breaking down, parts breaking in the airplanes, way more accidents than usual, people who could not pass tests and safely regulations without bending rules or looking the other way.
@ You’re a DEI hire also. You’re a woman, Lisa. DEI means Diversity (women, disabled people, minorities, etc); Equity means equal pay for the same positions; and Inclusion. Your argument overlooks yourself and you’re not even remotely qualified to discuss this topic. You SHOULD be focusing on those who change the position qualifications so that they can hire their children, family members, lovers and those who are not even remotely qualified for your hard fought jobs. But, you fell for the same mistakes that have allowed Musk to fire highly skilled American workers for entry level positions through Visas. I bet that he’s done it at Twitter and every single company that he allegedly owns. People like you are looking down on the people at the bottom and every level of Society and don’t care that every single one of them, including yourself, also a DEI HIRE, is qualified for their jobs. Perhaps you aren’t a DEI hire, but someone’s mistress, daughter, or friend and got your job through that means. Hateful and ignorant people are the weakest people on earth. 😑
This is utterly outrageous. the fact the lady had multiple sclerosis should have ruled out her working anywhere near any kind of dangerous machinery never mind a jet engine. brain fog, mental fatigue, cognitive dysfunction and problems with attention or executive function are common problems for people with MS. The entire scenario strikes me as a disaster waiting for the just right opportunity to inevitably happen.
This woman had MS. How the hell did she clear a pre employment physical? She had no business doing such a dangerous job. RIP to her, and bless those poor children
@Iacon40k I was thinking about this too, as I worked around airplanes myself during part of my career as a contract security officer, I'm now retired. I have cerebral palsy which only really affects my right hand/ foot. When I was assigned to Northwest Airlines technical operations Center when it was still in operation during the mid to late 90s. Both my company and Northwest Airlines actually did a physical evaluation on me just to make sure I could do the job. I passed, and I always remember everything they told us in terms of workplace safety around not only the Jets on the checkout ramp when light/ heavy maintenance aircraft being returned to service, undergo finals performance test but also when they are performing NDT inspections on aircraft in the hangar. And during those inspections except for the technicians involved we all clear out until the test is completed., we were just responsible for making sure that the yellow and magenta radiation safety hazard caution warning tape, was in place before the test started and the hanger was cleared of unauthorized staff. Even if she had a medical card for marijuana and was authorized to use it by her doctor. The risk factor is too big, and she should have been reassigned off the ramp
This happened near where we live, it was a somber for our area & state; the news even “felt sadder” for several days afterwards. A LOT of Prayers were said for her children/family. I cannot imagine losing a loved one in such a horrific manner. I never heard the reason for it happening until your video so thank you for the update, I didn’t know her but have thought about her & her family ever since it happened.😥
When I was 18 and stupid I just started working at an airport. I stupidly walked behind a engine on idle I was far enough away it didn't do anything but push me backwards and it was hot. I grew up a lot and learned to pay attention after that.
I remember my coworkers nearly got his face melted off behind a prop. He was eager to learn and was watching our supervisor who didn’t know he was there, my supervisor said he doesn’t know how he didn’t get his skin burnt off. Lucky fellow, he never did that shit again.
@@IamINERT remember the young female passenger who walked into the prop of a small plane several years back? She was absolutely beautiful but ended up losing an arm and eye. EDIT: Her name is Lauren Scruggs (model).
Why were you boarding a plane through the cargo hold doors?? .... as that's the only way you would have come in contact with her .... other normal passengers board through the passenger cabin doors well away from ground staff.
Working in hazardous environments for long periods tends to breed complacency. You'd think being next to a huge plane with an extremely loud engine would be enough of a reminder, but when that's your normal day-to-day environment, the human brain tends to stop registering the danger. It takes _actively_ being cognizant of the hazards. It takes a lot of training and mental effort on every worker's part to be consistently mindful of the ever-present danger.
thank you for raising awareness of this most insidious peril facing our People. this forum is for certain the best place to make a stand against the evil demonweed. gfy :)
Nah. I'm good on that cannabis stuff, thank you JESUS. I was a heavy cannabis smoker, it had a little benefit but my life was far better off not smoking it at all. Always having that aronma of cannabis smoke around young kids and people, it's just a no no.
It might have been recommended for her MS Treatment. We don’t know when she used it; we only know that it was in her system. This does not mean that she was impaired. I wouldn’t take that chance. I think that there are other factors involved. Someone said that OSHA fined them for other violations in addition to this incident.
The woman that was killed might be like two of my long-time employees. These guys are NOT diagnosed with any physical or mental impairments, but they often do not easily absorb what they are being told. If I explain something, then IMMEDIATELY ask them what I said, they have a blank expression and cannot repeat a word of what I said. I literally must go over the instructions MULTIPLE TIMES, and repeatedly quiz them, til it sticks. I swear I think my voice sounds to them like Charlie Brown's teacher; just random noises. But, they are honest, timely, hard working and WILL follow instructions when they finally sink in.
When I was in college, one of my professors said the most valuable lesson he ever learned was something an education professor said. He said you have to say something once for it to go into long term memory for an "A" student, twice for a "B" student and 3 times for a "C" student. Sounds like you had a lot of "D" and "F" students.
I honestly relate so hard to your employees, in that I’m trying my best but I’m neither bright nor physically strong, leaving me as a substandard worker well behind my peers.
Have you tried to present your information in another format? I have ADHD and when I need to absorb info, I habitually type it out (mostly I do this on a computer, but it can be done on phone notes as well). This effectively leads to me having a better "memory" than others as the dullest pencil is sharper than the sharpest mind.
The nature of the video was obvious by the title and you chose to watch. This actually speaks to your reverence for types of stories you want to listen to on Christmas day rather than dr. Grand's choosing to air it today. He recorded earlier, you watched it today.
@@loveacoachfitnessnutrition863 of course people like you jump to filing a lawsuit for a check. Even though the incident was all her fault, due to her own extreme negligence and substance abuse. Not beating the stereotypes!
@princegroove the fact you think that would hurt my feelings is what’s really funny. That’s so original. However did you come up with that?🙄 I made that up myself. Get a life, and a soul while you’re at it.
What a horrific accident. Unfortunately people don't think bad things will happen to them, until they do. My condolences to the family. I hope they will be able to find some peace.
They had TWO safety meetings immediately BEFORE this incident.. This shows how little people actually listen, even if their life is potentially in danger.
Also one person of the ground crew tried to wave her off. It's my understanding she had 2 safety writeups already and close to being terminated. Truly sad accident by inattention 😢
She probably had a mental health issue. When you have something worrying you and your brain keeps focusing on it, you tend to run in automatic mode doing your duty without thinking. Habituation would have you do what you do most frequently with no room for the special processes and, whatever distracted her also took her life leaving many traumatised for life!
What a horrible thing to have happen and to have witnessed. I really hope that those who did see it get help, and that they never, for the rest of their lives, have to see something this bad or worse again. I truly wish them a kind life.
Wow those poor witnesses!It was very rude and inconsiderate of the victim to get sucked into a plane engine and killed in clear view of the passengers. I feel so bad for the passengers that saw that, being a witness to someones death can be very life altering. For heavens sake i hope therapy can help those poor witnesses. That victim should be ashamed of herself
@@DGKonkrete Ha. Note the poor runway agent, while that was horrible to the extreme, is beyond having to worry about "long term effects". For that poor lady, it's over. No shade thrown at her, honestly. I'm not one of the folks dumping on her here.
I'm retired now from my career as a security officer. One of those jobs was working at Hartsfield International Airport, mid to late 90s one of the assignments was working at Northwest Airlines technical operations center, the contract guards were trained and assigned as security and safety officers. One of our responsibilities was internal and external Security checks every 2 hours including the Hangar area and the perimeter of the building including the ramp area where is aircraft were given final check out before being returned to service. We had a healthy respect for those Jets when the warning lights were on you automatically assume, the aircraft is engine active.......... do not approach if you are going to violate the safety radius around the aircraft. And I'm curious as to why with that many medical conditions affecting her health I'm wondering why the company kept her on duty as a ramp agent. With that many impairing conditions she should have been reassigned off the ramp
employers don’t actually care about the safety of their employees they just want positions covered. they will do the minimum required by law if that (hence the briefings)
Employers aren’t allowed to know your medical conditions. But it is their responsibility to fire incompetent, addicted or unfit employees. Maybe if passengers sue for damages and therapy, the airlines will care more about baggage handlers’ safety.
@@azulgaia7782I believe that's incorrect because any time I've applied for a new job they always ask about medical conditions that may affect your ability to carry out the duties of the role. Of course, you don't have to tell the truth but if an accident happens that results in an investigation & you are subsequently found to have a condition or take medication that you hadn't disclosed then that's grounds for termination and/or prosecution. At least that's how it is here in the UK (Scotland in my case).
@@azulgaia7782Upon hiring you typically have to sign agreeing to release a document from your doctor. They don’t need to release what your specific health is maybe but if there’s any medical conditions limiting job duties.
Forty years ago, I worked alone handling jets at a small airport in a busy tourist town. It was a challenging job, and pilots frequently made serious mistakes that put us at risk. Alongside managing the planes, I was also the ticket agent inside. On multiple occasions, passengers demanded to disembark because they could see the danger we were facing on the tarmac and feared for their safety in the air with those same pilots. There were even incidents involving intoxicated pilots who had spent the night drinking at the bar, only to show up still impaired for a 6 a.m. flight. Shockingly, this behavior became so normalized that we hardly thought about it. Looking back, I can see how hectic and hazardous it was, especially for those working with larger jets and in busier airports. My heart goes out to anyone who has lost a life in such situations-it truly can be chaotic and dangerous out there.
What u said about intoxicated pilots… My GMA worked for Pan Am & it was known fact a lot of the pilots would show up w/morning shakes.. executive airport bar cross the street, start slamming the ‘hair of the dog’ By the time flight time comes around.. they’re all polished up & ready to take off… It was an open secret, all the pilots were sauced…
Thank you for such an illuminating look at the Aircraft Industry- sounds like yet another Business that values shortcuts and money saving techniques over safety issues for crew both in the air and on the ground along with passengers.
Yes, me too. I’ve been hooked since I stumbled onto his channel, years ago. 😊 I’m wishing the good doctor, his family and the “Dr. Grande community” a Merry Christmas, Happy New Year and blessings throughout. Dr. Grande has, and is, a gift. His wit reduces me to tears of laughter at times, despite the horror that is often being discussed. He’s a wordsmith. So appreciated by this old lady. ❤ 🙏🏼🎄🕊
Thank you for sharing this with such great detail. This was told so well that I think we all were able to visualize what happened, no video needed. Great job!
Horrific. I've worked the ramp, as an agent, and it can be confusing, and intimidating. One MUST be totally present, in what is going on. I can't imagine witnessing this.
unfortunately, she lost her life. She wasn’t qualified, had previous reprimands for safety violations, along with her physical impairments. I’m a former airline employee, I see one big issue. Frequently management will not take the necessary step to remove someone from a position.
@@clint120 this is my view...she needed to be in a safer position, which airlines undoubtedly DO have...to me, I have controlled epilepsy & this isn't a position I'd take due to the weather extremes & physical demands. I do love my CO job, as it's at a men's facility & they protect me more than I protect myself! Most ppl say it's so dangerous for me having epilepsy ... nah, any disease can pop up & at least I know I have it. Side note: Not purposely, but I'll brag & say I'm a favored CO bc I don't mess with the guys about little things. They're grown & if they're really being stupid, all I have to do is holler their name & look at them & they know to chill. Of course, it should be at least 4 COs to 200 men (all security levels except AdSeg/DR). Where I'm at, it's just me to 200. Lots of walking, talking & on high alert, but really...mutual respect is imperative. If any of the offenders went for me, they'd not only get in trouble from the facility, they'd come back from AdSeg to get their ssses beat by the other offenders for touching me. They want to keep the good COs & will make an example of anyone threatening the good CO quitting or being injured. I have ADHD too, but it actually was a positive. For some reason, if there's an emergency (usually medical or fights, etc), I go full-speed then chill over the situation. It's so weird. But I'm the one you want during an emergency 🤷🏼♀️ Not all conditions are horrible to have at every "dangerous' job. 😉
How is an adult unqualified to place safety cones? This job paid probably only $5 or 6 dollars above minimum wage. This isn't a skilled labor job at all it's manual labor 🤡
I just recently read about an accident called "The 1983 Byford Dolphin Decompression Incident". It was very similar to being sucked into a jet engine but the results were even more violent. It is one of the most horrific accounts I've ever read about. The victims died so quickly that it may have been more traumatic for the witnesses and the poor souls who had to clean up.
This may come off as a bit rude, so warning in advance. I previously worked for a cargo carrier that had aircraft as part of their fleet. A lot of these jobs attract folks that aren’t very bright. Safety reminders have to be stated daily because many of the workers are like small children who are clueless when it comes to common sense. This doesn’t apply to everyone, but I worked with plenty of people who made me wonder who tied their shoes for them every day lol
They should ditch the safety reminders, legally insulate the employers, and establish a program to reimburse the airlines for the cost of fixing or replacing the engines. Allowing this form of "Darwinism" to increase in frequency would likely be a long-term cost saving to humanity.
As kids in the 70s, parents kept telling us not to walk close to the train tracks as freight trains rode by because we could get sucked up under the train. Of course we ignored that. Thank God nothing like that ever happened to us but it frightens me to think about what certainly could have happened.
Just to state the obvious - Marijuana doesn't leave your system for a very long time after use. The fact that it showed up in her system does not mean she used it before work.... it takes at least 30 days for it to fully leave your system.
That is true. She had it in her system, which means she was still experiencing the effects of it? I don’t know. I don’t use weed. I’m not judging her for using weed, as she had ms. Right there (ms) is why this poor woman should not have been working this particular job. I applaud her for trying to provide for her children. But, I can’t reconcile her physical problems and working this particular job. So very tragic.
@@Madcaps215 no. Otherwise people would just smoke weed once a month if the effects lasted a whole month. That, or it wouldn't be legalized. Imagine drinking a shot of liquor and you were buzzed a whole month. Anywho...the markers just show up a month later. But the high goes away 1hr to a few hours later.
A very sad and tragic incident. My heart goes out to her family, especially her children. Dr. Todd Grande’s assessment of the events and circumstances is thoughtful and sobering.
Cannabis stays in your body for up to 30 days. She could have smoked the evening before and been completely sober at the time of the event. It’s funny how people are just forgetting this.
MS can cause a fugue-like state. So can fatigue, which may have been a factor when a chronically ill single parent is working 10 hour shifts in demanding physical labour next to dangerous machinery. She likely didn't have a choice,because the US doesn't have adequate parenting payments. Her employer didn't fill their duty of care, ensuring employers have skills and competencies to be safe in the role. Telling someone something isn't the same as training them.
Hello New follower... What a great way you have to detailing the details... it truly gives a clearer view on one's own character and in how the End sadly ..becomes to be. I just like your whole breakdown of the events. 😢 Rip.. young lady.
@@Pozer714Possibly that or D.E.I. retention. Either way, you have a person who lacks the fundamental capacity to understand, care or perform safely and effectively in the given environment and management who knows there's a poor personnel to task match but allows it to continue until the problem solves itself in a very bad way. Even more worrying is that similar decisions are made that affect the safety of aircraft in flight.
Omg, my brother was just telling us last night how, the first thing they learn going onto an aircraft carrier is how the jet engines can suck you in if you’re not aware of the jets. Great Christmas Eve conversation 🙄🎄🤶🎅 No one working around heavy or potentially hazardous machinery should ever smoke cannabis.
@@texasrefugee7888the company wants money, so they don't mind letting things slide. Especially if it means in a safety incident like this they don't have to pay out
Straight to blaming weed 😂 she could have not smoked for 3 weeks and therefore not be impaired at all but the test finds cannabis in her system which is there for 28 days
There are people who just have bad judgment. It's hard for them to hold a job. It's almost a form of disability, but certainly she could've found a job that was better for her temperament. It was hazardous.
I have NEVER used marijuana, but I remember a user who had a job telling me more than once that he had a "hard time focusing." Strange that he states EXACTLY THAT here.
Yikes “ a giant vacuum blender” that’s just horrific.😢 I hope she didn’t suffer. My God. One would have to think for a brief moment they were thinking they were in the middle of some kind of a dream. Maybe they fell asleep and thought I’ll wake up. This can’t be real.
MS can cause a fugue-like state. So can fatigue, which may have been a factor when a chronically ill single parent is working 10 hour shifts in demanding physical labour
@@SerendipityChild Sure. Work stress and fatigue are leading contributing factors to work accidents. But complacency greatly amplifies poor safety due to fatigue. To be clear, I generally fault the employers in cases like this, because workers would tend to overcompensate and be MORE cautious when fatigued if they weren't being constantly pushed to perform -which they nearly always are in every laborious vocation from what I've seen.
Mental alertness is extremely important on the ramp. The dangers = Engine ingestion, unexpected gear door closing and getting run over by the nose wheel while guiding the aircraft with headsets. ( headset plug is often near nose wheel) When I worked on the ramp we were subject to random drug testing.
MS can cause a fugue-like state. So can diabetes. So can fatigue, which may have been a factor when a chronically ill single parent is working 10 hour shifts in demanding physical labour
@@SerendipityChild add covid shots, fume toxicity, medications in addition to the weed, perhaps depression and anxiety which go with metabolic disorders, etc....... the toxins in that environment are rough. I worked a hospital and just the cleaners crashed my immune system :( I feel so bad for what happened. I wonder if suicide was explored?
I am reminded of a Russian news report I saw some 20 years ago. The report was about local residents scavenging a military bomb range for valuable metals which they could sell after gathering. Three men were killed when they disturbed an unexploded bomb, and an Army Captain stopped by the gate to the range to explain to reporters, "Oh, yes, we found the men's heads, but there were no brains." (It sounds much more poetic in Russian.)
Russians still have no brains in the multiple clips I’ve seen in the war where a Russian soldier would get lucky dodging a drone and the drone crashing to the ground and not exploding. Instead of walking or running away thanking your god, soo many of these russos walk up to the downed drone and would then poke it with a stick or their rifle. All of them lost their heads. Brains have yet to be found just like the guys from the previous story.
I was on a medication after my main cancer treatment for 5 years. This medication plus chemo brain plus all the meds I had to take for side effects, definitely made me impaired. Many people would say that I was ok but I was not.
Ppl with invisible illnesses often get a lot of heat… I can’t believe she was doing this type of work with MS! If she wasn’t working they’d be calling her lazy smh. She was likely using medical mmj, either way it’s. Thanks for sharing your story, I hope you’re doing much better now❤
You just brought something very important. Because she was on anti-inflammatory meds (like prednisone) and chose to add cannabis (inflammatory causing drug) it came as no surprise to me that she appeared to be disorientated. Brain fog is no joke when you are in dangerous work situations especially given her attitude.
Years ago a lady who worked with my father at a manufacturing plant had her hand pressed off by a hydraulic press. She had removed the hand safety that day and had been written up a few times prior for safety violations. She was taken to the hospital and survived, minus the hand. The company fired her the following week. Sad story.
@@taopaille-paille4992 um. How? She was at fault for being negligent, which puts other employees at risk.. She was a liability to the company and they had to let her go.
@@Blackelon Don’t insult neanderthals, they had large brains and were very intelligent. There’s a reason some ‘groups’ have higher average intelligence than others and those groups tend to also have higher percentage of neanderthal DNA… Asians being top of both lists… guess who’s bottom of both…
Her colleagues were screaming at her to move back, which she ignored. Ground personnel go through extensive training re: the protocols concerning approaching aircraft. Large, powerful machines must be respected.
She probably couldn't hear. It's a horrible tragedy that should've been avoided. But, sadly, it's easy to get into one's own head when working routine jobs.
With good hearing protection in place, it's like your own quiet little world. Maybe the headset should have some safety message playing on repeat like "I know you're a little stoned and don't care but keep out of the jet engine."
@ I don’t think she was wearing hearing protection during the multiple on ramp safety briefings or during her initial training. The fact is, she got sloppy and paid the price.
I'm not inhumane or sympathetic but it seems like she was quite unsuitable for the job, didn't take in information and paid the ultimate price by loosing her life. She has most likely caused PTSD for her colleagues too.
I agree. The effects of witnessing something like that would be life long. Nightmares, the works. I get PTSD after seeing a fender bender car wreck happen in front of me. This? I'd be in a straight jacket for life!🥴😓
I agree. She should have been assigned to another job or something. We can’t assume that her mental capacity was compromised just because marijuana was found in her system. We don’t know if it was a prescription nor do we know when she took it. It could have occurred 20 days prior to her death.
"Courtney must have addressed the issue and became a better worker since she still had her job" ...Uhhhh...no. They just knew it wold be an HR and PR nightmare if they fired her for any reason at all. There are certain people you can NOT fire unless you're ready to defend yourself and threats
@originaljazzgirl Probably not, neither would i - this issue is that - bc US media views everything through lens of race - that the only reason it would have looked bad to fire her, was because she was black and could accuse that it was based on race, not her actions. Im not from the US, i dont know if this is true, but i suspect it is. Nothing wrong imo with pointing out racist double standards, as the OP did. Racist double standards actually won in Supreme Court. In the US even Corruption is protected by the Constitution (Citizens United as case law).
Working the ramp is very demanding and dangerous. I once worked at Piedmont Airlines for two years and had a coworker die each of those years on the ramp. One died when his tug overturned and trapped him underneath. I remember there being a female ramp agent that was scalped when her hair got caught in the belt loader. My goal was to make it back home in the same condition after every shift. I was always on high alert and had my head on a swivel when I was out there. There were times when we were under a lot of pressure to turnaround these planes because you get demerits if a plane pushes out late. The last straw for me was seeing an elderly female ramp agent, that was just there for the health insurance, fall out the back of the plane when she missed stepping on the belt loader after loading up a plane. Glad I'm no longer on the ramp.
God, what a nerve wracking job. I bet your head was on a swivel. I’ve only seen one kid walk into a prop arc back in 2010 (we were underway) and that is easily the worst thing I’ve ever witnessed. I can’t imagine having to go through that on an annual basis. Take care and a Merry Christmas to you and yours 🎄
I worked on the Ramp for 16years....saw a guy lose his footing in the same way. Another time a slide deployed while at the gate. Thank God no one was near it when it happened
She was sick with MS, but still worked a job regardless. She had to provide for her family. Maybe not the brightest but imo, she was a good, hard working person trying to overcome the symptoms of MS using weed, so she could continue working.
There's an old video- not sure if it's still around- of a guy getting sucked in - but he survives because his clothing got caught on a bracket leading into the engine and it held him from going through. He was still injured (his hands got a little torn up), but it wasn't life-threatening. But you can see how quickly it happens, it was just ZIP!- and he's in the engine- and that it can happen from more than a foot or so away from the engine- the intake airflow is so intense there.
I have not read the full NTSB report, so I don’t wanna be judgmental, but as an airport worker I can say that, the cargo doors are on the right side of the airplane. This is the side of the number two engine, the engine that is shut down so approaching the airplane from the right side to open the cargo doors would not necessarily be unsafe or rather, regularly done.
MS can cause a fugue-like state. So can fatigue, which may have been a factor when a chronically ill single parent is working 10 hour shifts in demanding physical labour.
So yeah. Dope doesn’t exactly sharpen your senses. She was close to getting terminated also. But I am just going to suggest that we have gotten a bit to lax on the weed rules. People are high as hell driving down the interstate. Can’t even stop smoking it long enough to drive. I know because you can smell it everywhere.
@@msbeecee1 You don't get that numb by cannabis, especially not if you're used to smoking it. It's far more likely it was due to her medical condition, or that she didn't understand the physics behind jet engines and didn't think the force was that strong. Some people just don't have the brain capacity to understand seemingly obvious things; it's up to the ones training them to notice this in time before they're out on their own.
@@YeeLeeHawwith all due respect. You definitely can get this numb with cannabis. I have personal experience as a former pot head and have known hundreds of potheads growing up in California. Especially with the right strain. She did have it present in her system and it can’t be ruled out that her decision making abilities were impaired due to drugs in her system. While it is the responsibility of her supervisors, they did direct her away from the aircraft, her complacency, negligence, and diminished decision making skills while under the influence got her killed.
@@YeeLeeHaw Indica, DHT-8 can definitely get you this numb. She had it in her system. Her supervisor warned her. Complacency and negligence on her part is what did her in.
I worked in safety management for a large transportation company for over 20 years. Some employees would get hurt once and they would never have another incident. Other employees would get hurt once or twice a year for 20 years! There is a set of people in this world that no matter what you do or how you do it, they can not make sound decisions when left alone. By the way, OSHA laws do not allow employers to punish employees for getting injured. You can fire them for working unsafely prior to injuries. However, at union jobs, this is more or less impossible.
This happened a couple times while I was serving in the Navy in the early 2000s. It's extremely important to be very aware of your surroundings on the flight deck. Accidents happen though. Its always so fast that no one can do anything about it.
Just like the old adage of treat every gun like it is loaded. Never ever forget that. Courtney was responsible for her own death regardless of the planes condition.
The best part of this is the FO musing "So we'll see if they try and open the doors with the engine on." "Yeah, like those knuckleheads in Dallas." That had me LOL.
Some people just don't have the presence of mind to behave responsibly with their own safety in positions like this. It's the job of management to identify and remove those people.
After extensive research ,I'd wager that someone could not - "Tell her what to do ,Tell her what to do,Tell her what to do,Tell her what to do,Tell her what to do,Tell her what to do" Or with a greater economy of words "no" .
I think it's more about ingrained habits. The team and her got security briefings on this particular aircraft, they told her not to approach, she might even have listened with an ear or two, but quickly forgot about it. So she strictly followed routine. What's strange is that the Jet blast which made her stagger didn't remind her of the danger she was in. The MS had impacted her frontal lobes as shown in the NTSB medical docket, and it was a relapsing-remitting course of disease, resistant to targeted medication. She also had two other medical drugs prescribed which would also increase reaction time, increase sleepiness and decrease vigilance. There's a warning for one of these about working with dangerous objects. This person most likely was unfit for her job and her neurologist probably should have worked more closely on her case, involving the designated airport health officer. She might have been afraid to lose her job, but it's better to work in an area where there is less safety risk than working in a high-risk area where sustained attention to details (like the warning beacon) is key.
As a long-ago regular pot smoker... I remember that when I was stoned it was easy to develop 'tunnel vision' and focus on one thing while ignoring everything else.
The reason COURTNEY MICHELLE EDWARDS died was a SAFETY, Inadequate training and Medical Issues. Just because she had cannabis in her system, doesn't mean she got high that day. She had health problems that should've disqualified her from doing that job. PERIOD! RIP Courtney! 🙏🏽♥️🙏🏽
The overarching question was how much was her fault and how much was negligence of the airline? It was overwhelmingly her fault. She was reckless beyond measure.
If you knew the conditions rampers work under, you would see how right your hunch is. They have VERY effective smear campaigns designed to malign employees when something catastrophic occurs. She was a ramper for years and a broken APU is very common. If she was incompetent, they should have provided remedial training. But I don't believe that's the case.
@@dreamingtree6093 ...you can't hold corporations responsible for stupidity. I teach math at university. I am extremely patient, and work with kids who are severely behind or impaired all the time, it is my passion. But there are some people who simply. Will. Not. Learn.
She had "relapsing-remitting multiple sclerosis". "Symptoms of RRMS include muscle weakness, balance problems, vertigo, trouble seeing, numbness, fatigue, trouble thinking clearly, depression, and needing to urinate urgently." "Developmental coordination disorder, dyspraxias, dysphagia, aphasia, *multiple sclerosis,* fibromyalgia, brain inflammation related to PANS are all examples of *neurodivergence".* *"Under the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, neurodiversity is a protected class. Best practices in DEI require addressing equity and inclusion with neurodivergent individuals just as much as with race, religion, gender, national origin, etc."*
I was a medic in the USAF working in the ER. One day I had to pull an airman out of an F-16 engine where he was ingested. He had his hand up in a defensive position showing he knowing he was going in.
I was once a ramp agent. It is a very demanding job. You are picking up tons of 50 plus pound bags and moving them, sometimes in extreme heat. We would sweat so much, we didn't pee. They warn you day number one about engine ingestion and about not getting close to them. There was never a single second I was not aware of my distance. Still yet, this happens every single year. I cannot imagine the terror once you know you are getting sucked up.
not even close to a very demanding job lol
I'm sure it was faster than very long thought. But yeah, what an awful way to go.
@@torengallagher8368 Wow. You must be a superhuman to be able to collectively pick up thousands of pounds a day and have it be easy. Share your secret.
@torengallagher8368 you don't know
@@torengallagher8368With a name like Toren, you have no room to criticize others 😂
As a former ramper. even when cleaning at night, we would move around the engines as if they were on.
Yeah, but them things just aren't that bright.
@@robertgantry2118 a lot of "them things" work daily at the airports and perform their job safely. It's disheartening to see that so many people like you exist. It's a sad way to live
@@robertgantry2118 3101 pioneer path?
@@robertgantry2118UA-cam bot didn't delete your comment but deleted mine? Wow
@@robertgantry2118 Your family?
Call me crazy but the idea that I could be sucked into a plane engine would be on my mind 110% of the time. How horrific
Watched Die Hard 2, it's enough to convince me when I was 6 years old
Not if you are drunk or high.
@@joyceshiver6622 Two common issue we had while working on the ramp, the complacency that develops after months/years on the ramp and the tunnel vision that accurs while focused on a specific task.
Not when you have been on the job for over five years.
200%
My daughter worked as a ramp agent. She brought/parked the planes with those red flashlights and unloaded and packed the luggage. I always pray for her safety. She was actually promoted off of the ramp, focusing on safety. Thank God! My condolences to the girl and her family.
a lot of women get off the ramp because it's too physical, and the men are glad to see them go.
Which probably means she had well trained coworkers! Not like this ramp
People not returning home after their shift makes me sad, prayers to her family
her poor kids😥
Yes, true.
Did you pray to a God or to a jug of milk? Either way you'll get the same results.
Yes, it shouldn't happen
@@djpeekay25 Her kids are orphans due to HER own actions and decisions.
My ninth-grade woodshop teacher told us that the day we lose respect for the machines we were using would be the day we decided we would eventually get hurt. Decades later, I haven’t forgotten that.
My Dad was a Millwright. He would say the same thing.
My woodshop teacher was missing a segment of one of his fingers, so when he warned us, we believed him!
Yeah, but her learning skills never progressed beyond the 3rd grade.
Bars. Screenshotting this comment.
Did he travel back in time from 2029 by any chance?
As a MS patient myself, I'm gobsmacked that she was allowed to work in this physically and mentally demanding job. My main symptom is the sudden onset of a zombielike tiredness, where I lose control over my body, stumble or in general can't move as accurately as I would
when rested. In this state I also don't care what is going on around me - my whole focus is on getting to a place where I can rest. Cannabis is used for treatment of pain for MS patients - obviously not a good mix for any kind of job.
Yeah, I was surprised that he didn't seem to account for these factors at all in his analysis.
I have small fiber neuropathy pain is bad I use lot of cannabis edibles it helps but chronic fatigue is the worse
It's just easier to blame the victim and we know why, don't we!!!
It's just easier to blame the victim and we know why, don't we!!!
It's just easier to blame the victim and we know why, don't we!!!
Nobody with MS should be working in such a dangerous environment.
Absolutely agree 💯 especially with the statement she made to the neurologist about her arms and legs. Just doesn't seem like she should have been anywhere near a jet engine or plane
Welcome to Ron DeSatan’s Floriduh.
@princegroove I feel so bad for the underprivileged people trapped to live out Idiocracy.
I agree. She deserves credit for holding a job despite her serious medical condition of MS. It's so sad that she didn't have a safer job. Prayers for her loved ones and hopefully she is with the Lord.
@@abc-wv4inNOT everyone can be mainstreamed in every job!
This proves it. I worked with this guy with a spinal injury. Brad basically couldn't do squat anymore. But we accomodated him everywhere we could. He wrecked his van twice for driving too fast. Insurance company dropped him/he list his license.He kept falling out of his chair so we bought special chairs. He fell out of them . Eventually, risk management had to step in and say "No More".
We were a bank processing center. As safe and easy as anything was ever going to be.
He had a special needs apartment that every day atleast once, someone had to break in/call EMS to come pick him up out of the floor.
Finally, his family intervened, brought him home, and ysed the 5 grand he was getting a month to hire 24/7 care.
I wonder WHAT this airline was trying to prove by putting this person on the flight line?
My husband and I worked together for 20 years on general aviation planes, both prop and jet engines, you'd be surprised how many people we've had to yell at for getting too close. If you don't respect the machines you'll pay dearly.
Absolutely. I was taught very early on in my aviation career, “Never Be Complacent,” and it has been my rule. I’ve witnessed two accidents and thankfully both guys survived. Never turn your back on the engines and keep “clueless” people away from the airplanes. If an employee made me nervous on the line, I let my supervisor know immediately. Those gut instincts were never wrong and almost every case, those clueless employees were terminated before an incident could occur.
@heathermetz3974 yep, getting stoned before was ridiculously complacent. I know this is terrible to say but with that in her system her people won't be able to sue, she should've never been on the ramp.
Powerful deadly machines shouldn't be running while ground staff are on in the vicinity. Why can't luggage be loaded in the plane whole those engines are off? Why are staff working together to keep themselves and others safe? They just found a body in the wheelwell of a united airlines plane.
@@MzYumYum69 the engine was on because the electrical system wasn't working, that's the only way to get power to the plane. It's part of the job to work around engines, no one that's stoned should've ever been out there and she'd already been written up for compliancy, following the rules would've saved her life. No excuses, she'd worked there for almost two years. Her coworker actually was motioning at her to not get any closer and she was briefed beforehand. There had been a safety meeting right before telling her the situation and to not approach the engine until it was shutdown but she didn't listen.
Unfortunately you’re going to get people arguing with you about how she never should’ve been doing the job bc of her medical condition, yet won’t address the fact she never told her employer about it. Then you’re going to get people saying she had no choice bc 3 kids at home. There’s no winning, that’s why companies will just settle behind the scene, the family may get a couple thousand and that’s about it.
I’m an airline captain and started as a ramp agent. I remember hearing about this from a fellow pilot at the airline I fly for. So terrible, one of my biggest fears especially when we have a deferred APU I try to call OPs ahead of time while en route to remind them of our deferred status and the need to keep an engine running until the GPU is plugged in. May she rest in peace, just awful situation.
I’ll add that in the 4 years that I operated the aircraft in this case, E-170-175, I’ve had a deferred APU twice, so it is a relatively rare occurrence.
😭🙁♥️
This happened like a month ago or something
that's pretty cool you went from a ground worker to captain, nice one
@@phil2156 a lot longer than a month ago. At least a year iirc
I worked on the flight deck in the US Navy. I watch so many disaster videos in training by the time they let me up there, These images were seared into my mind. My worst nightmare.
My ex worked on the flight deck of the USS Ike. I heard some horrifying stories. Thank you for your service!
@peacefuldaizy5717 Thank you
Imagine getting dragged through the potholes by an anchor 😂
@@GreaterSociety how my dad(he's 75) got out of Fiji was getting a job on a ship that laid cables, he said one of the craziest things he's seen was someone's foot get caught on a rope and dragged out to sea never to be seen again.
I was Airforce. I was freaked out the first time I saw my sergeant walk directly under a C-17 engine while running (with a hat on!) …he knew he wasn’t getting sucked in at idle percentage but what a horrible example to young airman. He was like a 17 year staff sergeant so…🤷♂️. He actually was prob one of the best mechanics but he could’ve gotten someone else hurt or killed if they thought they could do that anytime.
I was a plane captain in the Navy. I stopped many careless new guys from standing up in front of a turning engine. I've seen one get sucked in. I never understood it. The training videos show how dangerous it is.
Some jobs are dangerous due to its nature. Not being totally present during these situations can be fatal. Smoking weed, drinking, thinking about things at home can kill you. These machines or situations do not care about your attitude.
And neither do AI robots and weaponry
@@lynb2039Neither do tigers or sharks.
Keep weed out of this 😂
@@samholdsworth420
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@@3mindgame
To be fair, all airline personnel are subject to random FAA drug testing….so I doubt weed was part of the equation….possible, but not probable.
I worked on these Embraer aircraft as a line maintenance mechanic for 13 years and this is a very good and accurate analysis except one point about about being aware of the engine running. The lower noise of these modern high bypass General Electric turbofan engines blends in very well with the loud environment of an airport ramp / gate where other aircraft APU and engines are running in the background. There were times where I could be standing to the side of the engine and not be 100% sure if its running because they are not that loud on idle compared to the background environment.
The warning lights were on. They didn't blend in with the background noise
@@gregb11385 thank you, I'm glad somebody what mentioned that.
With all due respect, this happened at Montgomery Regional, which only serves two airlines and four destinations with six gates; it's not going to be the cacophony that most of us are picturing.
It would still be confusing. Safety first.
While in the Air Force working on the ramp with F4 Phantom aircraft which are loud as hell, I remember that if Approaching the aircraft or it taxiing past you and turning at certain angles, the engine sound could be completely eliminated! I never asked but i assumed that the sound waves echoing off hangars, other aircraft would cancel out the sound from a specific aircraft. I also assumed other sounds helped to drown out the noise but that noise cancelling was for real.
As a ramp agent myself, we are taught very early that you wait until the flashing red lights under the plane are off before you go near plane. And even then you have to keep an eye on the rotating blades powering down. Loads of dangers all around, you need eyes on the back of your head.
She had "relapsing-remitting multiple sclerosis" (MS).
People with MS are considered "neurodivergent".
*"Under the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, neurodiversity is a protected class. Best practices in DEI require addressing equity and inclusion with neurodivergent individuals just as much as with race, religion, gender, national origin, etc."*
the sound of this running engine would keep on high alert anyone around
unless one is high on drog
There is a thing called over stimulation. Educate yourself.
Her eyes were eventually on the back of her head.
@@bestdjaf7499 now at the aerospace giant where I work, the list of "disabilities" covered by ADA, HIPAA, The EOC, HHS, DEI includes "Drug and Alcohol abuse, dependency"...so getting wasted on the job puts you squarely in a protected victim class.
This is no joke… I worked at ohare airport as a ramp agent. I almost walked pass an engine and my manager grabbed me before i could proceed potentially saving my life… i was new and completely forgot the rule trying to work hard
I was a F/A-18 final checker. We had to get under the airplane while engines were running to check hydraulic plugs and other items. We had very specific ways to get to where we were going and they did not cross over inlets and exhaust. You cannot zone out around airplanes ever. It's not like the swat team checking the address for a no knock raid and getting the house next door, you have to get it right the first time every time.
Umm, wait a minute. Shouldn't you get a no-knock right the first time????
@@davidnika446 no it's fine, that only leads to the deaths of plebs
@@davidnika446
I think your sarcasm detector is non-op.
@@BuzzyStreet Sorry. It's the internet...A LOT of people say crazy things and actually mean them literally. What was in my mind was that there was a story where a no-knock raid wound up getting an innocent person killed, and there were all kinds of rude comments about the physical appearance of the victim. I think that's why it went over my head.
@@davidnika446😂😂😂😂
"recklessness can overpower any level of instruction, warning or training" - well said.
I don't understand why someone with MS was even working. Why wasn't she on disability? The disease is debilitating. I'm sure her use of maryjane was to help to ease some of the discomfort from the disease. I watched my cousin who had this horrible disease and sometimes she went for months where she couldn't even walk and she would bloat up (she was normally thin). It was extremely hard to watch. She eventually died from it. I feel nothing but sympathy for that girl.
MS can cause a fugue-like state.
So can fatigue, which may have been a factor when a chronically ill single parent is working 10 hour shifts in demanding physical labour
I think MS was the reason she died. I don't think this had anything to do with being reckless.
@@tonyawhitten5199do you have MS?
Some people are dreamy in nature. They shouldn’t do this kind of job. If she could find another job, why would she do this? Having 3 kids is so hard
Single mother of 3, health issues, working a demanding job, cannabis use, etc. I’m sure she was tired and that affected her being as alert as she should have been. Sometimes working people are just tired. I went to law school. I understand negligence, wrongful death, etc. and these are the legal issues that will be argued in lawsuits. But there are other issues involved beyond just legalities. This woman was dealing with a lot of challenges and still getting up and working a demanding full-time job every day. She was just tired and not paying attention. Who among us has not been in the same condition while working? Unfortunately, because of the nature of her job, being tired and not being alert cost this woman her life. RIP❤️🙏
That was a great, real comment ❤
It's not good to have children out of wedlock. This is a cultural thing
Forgot to include eye Q.
@@Powertuber1000😂
When someone does drugs, it affects their ability to perform.
I read a follow up on this story and the airline was fined by OSHA as a result of this incident for several safety violations in addition to the victim’s death. My condolences to the victim’s family.
I was wondering about OSHA because of the Pilot’s statement about what happened in Dallas. Thanks.
It definitely lies on that airline...ESPECIALLY if they had several fines about safety
@@daisyhenry332 Yeah the fact that they hadn't fired this woman already IS on the airline.
The airline should never have succumbed to dei. Most airlines have, though, unfortunately, resulting in airplanes breaking down, parts breaking in the airplanes, way more accidents than usual, people who could not pass tests and safely regulations without bending rules or looking the other way.
@ You’re a DEI hire also. You’re a woman, Lisa. DEI means Diversity (women, disabled people, minorities, etc); Equity means equal pay for the same positions; and Inclusion. Your argument overlooks yourself and you’re not even remotely qualified to discuss this topic.
You SHOULD be focusing on those who change the position qualifications so that they can hire their children, family members, lovers and those who are not even remotely qualified for your hard fought jobs. But, you fell for the same mistakes that have allowed Musk to fire highly skilled American workers for entry level positions through Visas. I bet that he’s done it at Twitter and every single company that he allegedly owns.
People like you are looking down on the people at the bottom and every level of Society and don’t care that every single one of them, including yourself, also a DEI HIRE, is qualified for their jobs.
Perhaps you aren’t a DEI hire, but someone’s mistress, daughter, or friend and got your job through that means. Hateful and ignorant people are the weakest people on earth. 😑
This is utterly outrageous. the fact the lady had multiple sclerosis should have ruled out her working anywhere near any kind of dangerous machinery never mind a jet engine. brain fog, mental fatigue, cognitive dysfunction and problems with attention or executive function are common problems for people with MS. The entire scenario strikes me as a disaster waiting for the just right opportunity to inevitably happen.
You're reading between the lines as I do it's a flipping set up
I agree.
Should have got SSI
Sadly end result of DEI
It’s like she had some sort of …… privilege…..;)
This woman had MS. How the hell did she clear a pre employment physical? She had no business doing such a dangerous job. RIP to her, and bless those poor children
@Iacon40k I was thinking about this too, as I worked around airplanes myself during part of my career as a contract security officer, I'm now retired. I have cerebral palsy which only really affects my right hand/ foot. When I was assigned to Northwest Airlines technical operations Center when it was still in operation during the mid to late 90s. Both my company and Northwest Airlines actually did a physical evaluation on me just to make sure I could do the job. I passed, and I always remember everything they told us in terms of workplace safety around not only the Jets on the checkout ramp when light/ heavy maintenance aircraft being returned to service, undergo finals performance test but also when they are performing NDT inspections on aircraft in the hangar. And during those inspections except for the technicians involved we all clear out until the test is completed., we were just responsible for making sure that the yellow and magenta radiation safety hazard caution warning tape, was in place before the test started and the hanger was cleared of unauthorized staff. Even if she had a medical card for marijuana and was authorized to use it by her doctor. The risk factor is too big, and she should have been reassigned off the ramp
She had no business at that job
DEI DIE?
She could have been diagnosed after being hired. She probably should have been om disability.
DEI hire
Thanks for posting today Doctor G. Not everyone has families and it's good to hear your voice today.
Hugs to everyone that can relate to this! The holidays are a tough time ❤
Merry Christmas 🎄 ❤
Merry Christmas big dawg 💯 🎄
Peace be with you, Philip!
Merry Christmas 🎄 ❤
This happened near where we live, it was a somber for our area & state; the news even “felt sadder” for several days afterwards. A LOT of Prayers were said for her children/family. I cannot imagine losing a loved one in such a horrific manner. I never heard the reason for it happening until your video so thank you for the update, I didn’t know her but have thought about her & her family ever since it happened.😥
It’s incredibly horrific. I can’t imagine how devastating this must have been for those who loved her.
God Bless her family & friends. Just heartbreaking.💐😢
When I was 18 and stupid I just started working at an airport. I stupidly walked behind a engine on idle I was far enough away it didn't do anything but push me backwards and it was hot. I grew up a lot and learned to pay attention after that.
Well, the difference is, you have an IQ above room temp, sooo.
I remember my coworkers nearly got his face melted off behind a prop. He was eager to learn and was watching our supervisor who didn’t know he was there, my supervisor said he doesn’t know how he didn’t get his skin burnt off. Lucky fellow, he never did that shit again.
@@IamINERT remember the young female passenger who walked into the prop of a small plane several years back? She was absolutely beautiful but ended up losing an arm and eye.
EDIT: Her name is Lauren Scruggs (model).
This was also a young woman. I am glad no harm came to you and you got your lesson but kept your life.
I met this young lady a couple of weeks before the incident. Was catching a flight and she was extremely helpful.
Sure you did
BS
They don’t interact with passengers…yea….BS
Sad
Why were you boarding a plane through the cargo hold doors?? .... as that's the only way you would have come in contact with her .... other normal passengers board through the passenger cabin doors well away from ground staff.
Working in hazardous environments for long periods tends to breed complacency. You'd think being next to a huge plane with an extremely loud engine would be enough of a reminder, but when that's your normal day-to-day environment, the human brain tends to stop registering the danger. It takes _actively_ being cognizant of the hazards.
It takes a lot of training and mental effort on every worker's part to be consistently mindful of the ever-present danger.
Also if you break the rules once and nothing bad happens, it’s easier to do it again the next time and expect the same outcome.
Did you mean "complacency"?
The industrial revolution: "somehow, we made danger BORING."
@joshuabekel9700 stupid auto-correct!
@@melissaharris3389 I KNOW! 😆
I am incredibly frustrated by how people minimize the negative effects of cannabis use.
thank you for raising awareness of this most insidious peril facing our People. this forum is for certain the best place to make a stand against the evil demonweed. gfy :)
Right, I bet most of them are users who forget many things while walking around in a drowsy daze 90 percent of the time
/Agree. I no longer smoke but it can effect you VERY seriously. Especially with all the different kinds of weed now, crazy strength.
Nah. I'm good on that cannabis stuff, thank you JESUS. I was a heavy cannabis smoker, it had a little benefit but my life was far better off not smoking it at all. Always having that aronma of cannabis smoke around young kids and people, it's just a no no.
It might have been recommended for her MS Treatment. We don’t know when she used it; we only know that it was in her system. This does not mean that she was impaired. I wouldn’t take that chance. I think that there are other factors involved. Someone said that OSHA fined them for other violations in addition to this incident.
The woman that was killed might be like two of my long-time employees. These guys are NOT diagnosed with any physical or mental impairments, but they often do not easily absorb what they are being told. If I explain something, then IMMEDIATELY ask them what I said, they have a blank expression and cannot repeat a word of what I said. I literally must go over the instructions MULTIPLE TIMES, and repeatedly quiz them, til it sticks. I swear I think my voice sounds to them like Charlie Brown's teacher; just random noises. But, they are honest, timely, hard working and WILL follow instructions when they finally sink in.
Are they black as well?
You sound like a decent and patient boss, good on you 👍 I hope their duties are not hazardous
When I was in college, one of my professors said the most valuable lesson he ever learned was something an education professor said. He said you have to say something once for it to go into long term memory for an "A" student, twice for a "B" student and 3 times for a "C" student. Sounds like you had a lot of "D" and "F" students.
I honestly relate so hard to your employees, in that I’m trying my best but I’m neither bright nor physically strong, leaving me as a substandard worker well behind my peers.
Have you tried to present your information in another format?
I have ADHD and when I need to absorb info, I habitually type it out (mostly I do this on a computer, but it can be done on phone notes as well). This effectively leads to me having a better "memory" than others as the dullest pencil is sharper than the sharpest mind.
Wow, a brutal and tragic death story for Xmas morning; thanks for the holiday cheer, Dr Grande! I guess it's better than a chimney death story today.
We definitely don't want SANTA getting stuck!
It’s in the news that an owl flew down a chimney and perched atop a Christmas tree this year. It’s a cute story
The nature of the video was obvious by the title and you chose to watch. This actually speaks to your reverence for types of stories you want to listen to on Christmas day rather than dr. Grand's choosing to air it today. He recorded earlier, you watched it today.
@@natnat8199... Thank you. I'll check it out!
Haha. I thought the same! 😂
Courtney should have NEVER been a ramp agent knowing what her MS symptoms were!!
100%. This wasn't a safe role for her. Her employer put her in danger and she died
I hope her family sued because this guy is all over the place with what he is saying 👺👺👺
@@SerendipityChildCourtney had a sound mind of her own, she is also responsible for her actions as an adult in an adult workplace.
@@loveacoachfitnessnutrition863 No, you're having trouble following the information. Slow down and listen carefully, and it will make sense.
@@loveacoachfitnessnutrition863 of course people like you jump to filing a lawsuit for a check. Even though the incident was all her fault, due to her own extreme negligence and substance abuse. Not beating the stereotypes!
My heart hurts deeply for this woman.💔
Most people in the comments including this Dr Grande show not empathy for her and her family and just blaming the victim
@@DorothyDandridgeand what’s wrong with that?
Because you’re cuckoo. 😂
@princegroove the fact you think that would hurt my feelings is what’s really funny. That’s so original. However did you come up with that?🙄 I made that up myself. Get a life, and a soul while you’re at it.
What a horrific accident. Unfortunately people don't think bad things will happen to them, until they do. My condolences to the family. I hope they will be able to find some peace.
They had TWO safety meetings immediately BEFORE this incident.. This shows how little people actually listen, even if their life is potentially in danger.
Agree completely. They just turn off and don't listen. Not bright.
Also one person of the ground crew tried to wave her off. It's my understanding she had 2 safety writeups already and close to being terminated. Truly sad accident by inattention 😢
She probably had a mental health issue. When you have something worrying you and your brain keeps focusing on it, you tend to run in automatic mode doing your duty without thinking. Habituation would have you do what you do most frequently with no room for the special processes and, whatever distracted her also took her life leaving many traumatised for life!
This almost never happens. Most people listen and stay safe. I'm not sure why you even said that.
She was high...
What a horrible thing to have happen and to have witnessed. I really hope that those who did see it get help, and that they never, for the rest of their lives, have to see something this bad or worse again. I truly wish them a kind life.
For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God ✝️
Well they may want to become vegan and skip the ground beef hamburger meats 👻
I feel most sorry for the actual victim.
Wow those poor witnesses!It was very rude and inconsiderate of the victim to get sucked into a plane engine and killed in clear view of the passengers.
I feel so bad for the passengers that saw that, being a witness to someones death can be very life altering. For heavens sake i hope therapy can help those poor witnesses. That victim should be ashamed of herself
@@DGKonkrete Ha. Note the poor runway agent, while that was horrible to the extreme, is beyond having to worry about "long term effects". For that poor lady, it's over. No shade thrown at her, honestly. I'm not one of the folks dumping on her here.
Since everyone seems to have forgotten their manners, Rest in peace Courtney.
I'm retired now from my career as a security officer. One of those jobs was working at Hartsfield International Airport, mid to late 90s one of the assignments was working at Northwest Airlines technical operations center, the contract guards were trained and assigned as security and safety officers. One of our responsibilities was internal and external Security checks every 2 hours including the Hangar area and the perimeter of the building including the ramp area where is aircraft were given final check out before being returned to service. We had a healthy respect for those Jets when the warning lights were on you automatically assume, the aircraft is engine active.......... do not approach if you are going to violate the safety radius around the aircraft. And I'm curious as to why with that many medical conditions affecting her health I'm wondering why the company kept her on duty as a ramp agent. With that many impairing conditions she should have been reassigned off the ramp
employers don’t actually care about the safety of their employees they just want positions covered. they will do the minimum required by law if that (hence the briefings)
@@taylorkai4144agreed! Which is why a lawsuit can bring about changes hopefully
Employers aren’t allowed to know your medical conditions. But it is their responsibility to fire incompetent, addicted or unfit employees. Maybe if passengers sue for damages and therapy, the airlines will care more about baggage handlers’ safety.
@@azulgaia7782I believe that's incorrect because any time I've applied for a new job they always ask about medical conditions that may affect your ability to carry out the duties of the role. Of course, you don't have to tell the truth but if an accident happens that results in an investigation & you are subsequently found to have a condition or take medication that you hadn't disclosed then that's grounds for termination and/or prosecution. At least that's how it is here in the UK (Scotland in my case).
@@azulgaia7782Upon hiring you typically have to sign agreeing to release a document from your doctor. They don’t need to release what your specific health is maybe but if there’s any medical conditions limiting job duties.
Forty years ago, I worked alone handling jets at a small airport in a busy tourist town. It was a challenging job, and pilots frequently made serious mistakes that put us at risk. Alongside managing the planes, I was also the ticket agent inside. On multiple occasions, passengers demanded to disembark because they could see the danger we were facing on the tarmac and feared for their safety in the air with those same pilots.
There were even incidents involving intoxicated pilots who had spent the night drinking at the bar, only to show up still impaired for a 6 a.m. flight. Shockingly, this behavior became so normalized that we hardly thought about it.
Looking back, I can see how hectic and hazardous it was, especially for those working with larger jets and in busier airports. My heart goes out to anyone who has lost a life in such situations-it truly can be chaotic and dangerous out there.
I call bs
What u said about intoxicated pilots…
My GMA worked for Pan Am & it was known fact a lot of the pilots would show up w/morning shakes.. executive airport bar cross the street, start slamming the ‘hair of the dog’
By the time flight time comes around.. they’re all polished up & ready to take off…
It was an open secret, all the pilots were sauced…
EYW
@@joebrinson5040 It's completely believable for 40 years ago. It was a different world.
Thank you for such an illuminating look at the Aircraft Industry- sounds like yet another Business that values shortcuts and money saving techniques over safety issues for crew both in the air and on the ground along with passengers.
Merry Christmas Dr. Grande, thanks for all that you do! Been a loyal viewer for years!!
Yes, me too. I’ve been hooked since I stumbled onto his channel, years ago. 😊
I’m wishing the good doctor, his family and the “Dr. Grande community” a Merry Christmas, Happy New Year and blessings throughout.
Dr. Grande has, and is, a gift.
His wit reduces me to tears of laughter at times, despite the horror that is often being discussed. He’s a wordsmith. So appreciated by this old lady. ❤ 🙏🏼🎄🕊
Thank you for sharing this with such great detail. This was told so well that I think we all were able to visualize what happened, no video needed. Great job!
Horrific. I've worked the ramp, as an agent, and it can be confusing, and intimidating. One MUST be totally present, in what is going on. I can't imagine witnessing this.
Even during power outages, people are warned to treat all service lines as live. Tragic way to go.
Tesla got 2 fatalities this year that I know of. One is the robot manufacturing and the other is regarding electric panel.
unfortunately, she lost her life. She wasn’t qualified, had previous reprimands for safety violations, along with her physical impairments. I’m a former airline employee, I see one big issue. Frequently management will not take the necessary step to remove someone from a position.
Reason not to DEI hire 🤯
If this is true, then it is pathetic.
@@clint120 this is my view...she needed to be in a safer position, which airlines undoubtedly DO have...to me, I have controlled epilepsy & this isn't a position I'd take due to the weather extremes & physical demands. I do love my CO job, as it's at a men's facility & they protect me more than I protect myself! Most ppl say it's so dangerous for me having epilepsy ... nah, any disease can pop up & at least I know I have it.
Side note: Not purposely, but I'll brag & say I'm a favored CO bc I don't mess with the guys about little things. They're grown & if they're really being stupid, all I have to do is holler their name & look at them & they know to chill. Of course, it should be at least 4 COs to 200 men (all security levels except AdSeg/DR). Where I'm at, it's just me to 200. Lots of walking, talking & on high alert, but really...mutual respect is imperative. If any of the offenders went for me, they'd not only get in trouble from the facility, they'd come back from AdSeg to get their ssses beat by the other offenders for touching me. They want to keep the good COs & will make an example of anyone threatening the good CO quitting or being injured. I have ADHD too, but it actually was a positive. For some reason, if there's an emergency (usually medical or fights, etc), I go full-speed then chill over the situation. It's so weird. But I'm the one you want during an emergency 🤷🏼♀️ Not all conditions are horrible to have at every "dangerous' job. 😉
She did her job for years without incident. Why or how wasn’t she qualified?
How is an adult unqualified to place safety cones? This job paid probably only $5 or 6 dollars above minimum wage. This isn't a skilled labor job at all it's manual labor 🤡
I just recently read about an accident called "The 1983 Byford Dolphin Decompression Incident". It was very similar to being sucked into a jet engine but the results were even more violent. It is one of the most horrific accounts I've ever read about. The victims died so quickly that it may have been more traumatic for the witnesses and the poor souls who had to clean up.
This may come off as a bit rude, so warning in advance. I previously worked for a cargo carrier that had aircraft as part of their fleet. A lot of these jobs attract folks that aren’t very bright. Safety reminders have to be stated daily because many of the workers are like small children who are clueless when it comes to common sense. This doesn’t apply to everyone, but I worked with plenty of people who made me wonder who tied their shoes for them every day lol
So true. Some people don’t realize how dangerous airplanes are. Especially when engines are running.
That's sad. Not rude. To know that they hire those with the mind of children for such a dangerous position.
Agreed... You're not being rude or bias but stating facts.
They should ditch the safety reminders, legally insulate the employers, and establish a program to reimburse the airlines for the cost of fixing or replacing the engines. Allowing this form of "Darwinism" to increase in frequency would likely be a long-term cost saving to humanity.
How is that funny
High risk employee. She should have been fired much earlier. Maybe given a job without risks like that. This is awful.
What job would you recommend for a person that gets high at work?
Inpatient drug withdrawal..mandatory.
@@nvmcrider8475cannabis tester duh! I'm kidding Merry Christmas.
@@nvmcrider8475 Honestly quite a lot. I've seen plenty of people who do less work at their jobs sober than people who come to work stoned.
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I give these videos a Thumbs Up before he can finish saying ‘Hello, I’m Dr Grande’. And have never been disappointed 😊
Giving your comment a like because I do too 😊
@@istandinawe6319Merry Christmas and or Happy Holidays to you sister.
@ thank you same to you 🙏🏾
I always stop watching my previous video as soon as I see Dr Grande’s new video posted
Have you seen the Christmas extravaganzas? Or the Disney cruise debriefs? 😂😂
As kids in the 70s, parents kept telling us not to walk close to the train tracks as freight trains rode by because we could get sucked up under the train. Of course we ignored that. Thank God nothing like that ever happened to us but it frightens me to think about what certainly could have happened.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, Dr. Grande!
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Just to state the obvious - Marijuana doesn't leave your system for a very long time after use. The fact that it showed up in her system does not mean she used it before work.... it takes at least 30 days for it to fully leave your system.
That is true. She had it in her system, which means she was still experiencing the effects of it? I don’t know. I don’t use weed. I’m not judging her for using weed, as she had ms. Right there (ms) is why this poor woman should not have been working this particular job. I applaud her for trying to provide for her children. But, I can’t reconcile her physical problems and working this particular job. So very tragic.
I made the same point in my comment. The positive test doesn’t definitively tell us that she was impaired at the time of death.
It actually can take months to leave depending on frequency of use.
@@Madcaps215 no. Otherwise people would just smoke weed once a month if the effects lasted a whole month. That, or it wouldn't be legalized. Imagine drinking a shot of liquor and you were buzzed a whole month. Anywho...the markers just show up a month later. But the high goes away 1hr to a few hours later.
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Ok got it! Thanks so much.
The Internet and the world needs your videos! You're a gem, Dr. Grande. A national treasure!!!
A very sad and tragic incident. My heart goes out to her family, especially her children. Dr. Todd Grande’s assessment of the events and circumstances is thoughtful and sobering.
Smoking pot & working around dangerous conditions are not compatible.
I agree. I read a comment that said Cannibas is used to treat the pain of MS. HOWEVER, she should NOT have been working in that position.
Agreed. There's no place for pot smoking at the work place, unless you're planting trees or picking apples.
Id bet the 85iq was more to blame than smoking pot.
duuhhh
Cannabis stays in your body for up to 30 days. She could have smoked the evening before and been completely sober at the time of the event. It’s funny how people are just forgetting this.
As a ramp agent myself, it was ingrained in us to stay clear of those engines. Not sure how someone can be unaware of this danger
Yea ramp training video still glued in my head
just look at her
DEI
@@daysoff4ever Black excellence!
MS can cause a fugue-like state.
So can fatigue, which may have been a factor when a chronically ill single parent is working 10 hour shifts in demanding physical labour next to dangerous machinery.
She likely didn't have a choice,because the US doesn't have adequate parenting payments.
Her employer didn't fill their duty of care, ensuring employers have skills and competencies to be safe in the role.
Telling someone something isn't the same as training them.
She didn't listen to safety warnings. Listening is an important life skill. It could save your life.
Indeed. "..reproofs of instruction are the way of life" ~ Proverbs / Old Testament
Their kind aren't known for listening. Babbling is what they're best at.
She was getting her GED man, plus she is a class 1 perpetual victim. This is 100% the planes fault......somehow.
That's not the entire story. Are you a ramper? Have you been up close to these planes?
@@zorrofox8950 How many broken APUs do you work with? Let talk about it since you know so fucking much.
Hello New follower... What a great way you have to detailing the details... it truly gives a clearer view on one's own character and in how the End sadly ..becomes to be. I just like your whole breakdown of the events. 😢 Rip.. young lady.
Those MS symptoms and other health issues she should not have been cleared for that type of work. 😢
DEI hire?
@@Pozer714white ppl are so oppressed 😢
@@Pozer714Possibly that or D.E.I. retention. Either way, you have a person who lacks the fundamental capacity to understand, care or perform safely and effectively in the given environment and management who knows there's a poor personnel to task match but allows it to continue until the problem solves itself in a very bad way. Even more worrying is that similar decisions are made that affect the safety of aircraft in flight.
Absolutely. This is NOT the job for this sort of disability. AND THC is NOT acceptable on a tarmac.
She should have also not been high at work
Omg, my brother was just telling us last night how, the first thing they learn going onto an aircraft carrier is how the jet engines can suck you in if you’re not aware of the jets. Great Christmas Eve conversation 🙄🎄🤶🎅 No one working around heavy or potentially hazardous machinery should ever smoke cannabis.
I know she should not have been able to have that job if she had an MS diagnosis also.
@@texasrefugee7888 Her family got nothing from it either. They scraped enough of her up to do a drug analysis.
@@texasrefugee7888the company wants money, so they don't mind letting things slide. Especially if it means in a safety incident like this they don't have to pay out
@@PATRICKDORSEY-l3z Nor should her family get a dime for her negligence.
Straight to blaming weed 😂 she could have not smoked for 3 weeks and therefore not be impaired at all but the test finds cannabis in her system which is there for 28 days
There are people who just have bad judgment. It's hard for them to hold a job. It's almost a form of disability, but certainly she could've found a job that was better for her temperament. It was hazardous.
100% pure Darwinism.
She struck me as having two operational modes, SLOW and STOP.
Usual suspects
Low IQ. Unfortunately, the world is becoming increasingly complex.
I have NEVER used marijuana, but I remember a user who had a job telling me more than once that he had a "hard time focusing." Strange that he states EXACTLY THAT here.
Loved working on the ramp. My best memory , marshalling the Dash 8 with setting sun behind it. Those props whoa
I'll never understand how people develop such workplace complacency around something that is essentially a giant vacuum blender.
If you want to understand, there are probably studies you could read about it...
I know, right? I remember my brother (career navy) telling me what was left after a crew member was sucked into a turbo... only from the knees down.
Yikes “ a giant vacuum blender” that’s just horrific.😢 I hope she didn’t suffer. My God. One would have to think for a brief moment they were thinking they were in the middle of some kind of a dream. Maybe they fell asleep and thought I’ll wake up. This can’t be real.
MS can cause a fugue-like state.
So can fatigue, which may have been a factor when a chronically ill single parent is working 10 hour shifts in demanding physical labour
@@SerendipityChild Sure. Work stress and fatigue are leading contributing factors to work accidents. But complacency greatly amplifies poor safety due to fatigue. To be clear, I generally fault the employers in cases like this, because workers would tend to overcompensate and be MORE cautious when fatigued if they weren't being constantly pushed to perform -which they nearly always are in every laborious vocation from what I've seen.
Mental alertness is extremely important on the ramp. The dangers = Engine ingestion, unexpected gear door closing and getting run over by the nose wheel while guiding the aircraft with headsets. ( headset plug is often near nose wheel) When I worked on the ramp we were subject to random drug testing.
MS can cause a fugue-like state.
So can diabetes.
So can fatigue, which may have been a factor when a chronically ill single parent is working 10 hour shifts in demanding physical labour
@@SerendipityChild
She was positive for cannabis.
@@SerendipityChild add covid shots, fume toxicity, medications in addition to the weed, perhaps depression and anxiety which go with metabolic disorders, etc....... the toxins in that environment are rough. I worked a hospital and just the cleaners crashed my immune system :( I feel so bad for what happened. I wonder if suicide was explored?
Merry Christmas Doc and wife! Love your insights 🎅🎄
Some segments of our culture seem to promote a “I follow my OWN rules!” attitude, and that’s not good.
This is such a Tragedy. May she rest in peace and her family process their grief in healthy ways. 🙏🏻 so very sad.
I am reminded of a Russian news report I saw some 20 years ago. The report was about local residents scavenging a military bomb range for valuable metals which they could sell after gathering. Three men were killed when they disturbed an unexploded bomb, and an Army Captain stopped by the gate to the range to explain to reporters, "Oh, yes, we found the men's heads, but there were no brains." (It sounds much more poetic in Russian.)
Russians have a gift for turning a phrase. Such as “knowledge chased him, but he was faster”
OMG, that was savage!
Only the russians to say such inappropriate yet funny words in public space.
Russians still have no brains in the multiple clips I’ve seen in the war where a Russian soldier would get lucky dodging a drone and the drone crashing to the ground and not exploding. Instead of walking or running away thanking your god, soo many of these russos walk up to the downed drone and would then poke it with a stick or their rifle. All of them lost their heads. Brains have yet to be found just like the guys from the previous story.
I mean. That's not a post mortem observation 😂
Poetic?? How can you soften a description of that type of event?
I was on a medication after my main cancer treatment for 5 years. This medication plus chemo brain plus all the meds I had to take for side effects, definitely made me impaired. Many people would say that I was ok but I was not.
Okay but that's COMPLETELY irrelevant to the case.
@@thenewandrei4o94I agree but Shirley has just as much a right to speak as you do.
@@thenewandrei4o94 It’s not irrelevant. This young woman could have been impaired without showing it.
Ppl with invisible illnesses often get a lot of heat… I can’t believe she was doing this type of work with MS! If she wasn’t working they’d be calling her lazy smh. She was likely using medical mmj, either way it’s. Thanks for sharing your story, I hope you’re doing much better now❤
You just brought something very important. Because she was on anti-inflammatory meds (like prednisone) and chose to add cannabis (inflammatory causing drug) it came as no surprise to me that she appeared to be disorientated. Brain fog is no joke when you are in dangerous work situations especially given her attitude.
Thank you for your content,you have a good voice and you speak perfect and clear,good job, blessings to you.
Years ago a lady who worked with my father at a manufacturing plant had her hand pressed off by a hydraulic press.
She had removed the hand safety that day and had been written up a few times prior for safety violations.
She was taken to the hospital and survived, minus the hand. The company fired her the following week.
Sad story.
You lie about the fired part
She had removed the safety... That removes the company's liability.
@@taopaille-paille4992 um. How? She was at fault for being negligent, which puts other employees at risk..
She was a liability to the company and they had to let her go.
I worked at a deli at a grocery store. I heard a loud scream from the meat department. A guy stuck his hand in a meat grinder. He never came back.
@@toddkindred5866came back as he died or never came back to work?
Another American worker unqualified for their job.
That's definitely not what you really want to say.😂 Nasty piece of work.
DEI ?
Neanderthals
@@Ghettoize no, a black woman having a job in Montgomery Alabama is not a token thing
@@Blackelon Don’t insult neanderthals, they had large brains and were very intelligent. There’s a reason some ‘groups’ have higher average intelligence than others and those groups tend to also have higher percentage of neanderthal DNA… Asians being top of both lists… guess who’s bottom of both…
Her colleagues were screaming at her to move back, which she ignored. Ground personnel go through extensive training re: the protocols concerning approaching aircraft. Large, powerful machines must be respected.
Some people don't care about respect.
She probably couldn't hear. It's a horrible tragedy that should've been avoided. But, sadly, it's easy to get into one's own head when working routine jobs.
With good hearing protection in place, it's like your own quiet little world. Maybe the headset should have some safety message playing on repeat like "I know you're a little stoned and don't care but keep out of the jet engine."
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I don’t think she was wearing hearing protection during the multiple on ramp safety briefings or during her initial training. The fact is, she got sloppy and paid the price.
@KJ6EAD I'm surprised that they don't have radios in their ear protection so the pilots and other workers can talk to one another.
I'm not inhumane or sympathetic but it seems like she was quite unsuitable for the job, didn't take in information and paid the ultimate price by loosing her life. She has most likely caused PTSD for her colleagues too.
I agree. The effects of witnessing something like that would be life long. Nightmares, the works.
I get PTSD after seeing a fender bender car wreck happen in front of me. This? I'd be in a straight jacket for life!🥴😓
I agree. She should have been assigned to another job or something. We can’t assume that her mental capacity was compromised just because marijuana was found in her system. We don’t know if it was a prescription nor do we know when she took it. It could have occurred 20 days prior to her death.
"Courtney must have addressed the issue and became a better worker since she still had her job" ...Uhhhh...no. They just knew it wold be an HR and PR nightmare if they fired her for any reason at all. There are certain people you can NOT fire unless you're ready to defend yourself and threats
This
I believe that possibility might be right,unfortunately.I call it " the victims complex".
Would you have said that if she hadn't been black?
@originaljazzgirl
Probably not, neither would i - this issue is that - bc US media views everything through lens of race - that the only reason it would have looked bad to fire her, was because she was black and could accuse that it was based on race, not her actions.
Im not from the US, i dont know if this is true, but i suspect it is.
Nothing wrong imo with pointing out racist double standards, as the OP did.
Racist double standards actually won in Supreme Court. In the US even Corruption is protected by the Constitution (Citizens United as case law).
Yup. DEI hire. F around and found out.
Working the ramp is very demanding and dangerous. I once worked at Piedmont Airlines for two years and had a coworker die each of those years on the ramp. One died when his tug overturned and trapped him underneath. I remember there being a female ramp agent that was scalped when her hair got caught in the belt loader.
My goal was to make it back home in the same condition after every shift. I was always on high alert and had my head on a swivel when I was out there.
There were times when we were under a lot of pressure to turnaround these planes because you get demerits if a plane pushes out late. The last straw for me was seeing an elderly female ramp agent, that was just there for the health insurance, fall out the back of the plane when she missed stepping on the belt loader after loading up a plane.
Glad I'm no longer on the ramp.
God, what a nerve wracking job. I bet your head was on a swivel. I’ve only seen one kid walk into a prop arc back in 2010 (we were underway) and that is easily the worst thing I’ve ever witnessed. I can’t imagine having to go through that on an annual basis.
Take care and a Merry Christmas to you and yours 🎄
I worked on the Ramp for 16years....saw a guy lose his footing in the same way. Another time a slide deployed while at the gate. Thank God no one was near it when it happened
*turn around
I played GTA V and that lawyer scene lives rent free in my head whenever I walk in an airport
Ehhh i wish the game upgrades level up with better mafia ... Not second class drifters
I immediately thought of that moment when I read this video’s title lmao
@nepesilva2284 no one wants him .. at least not a woman
Extremely tragic and sad. My heart goes out to her and her children. My condolences to her family.
As a Montgomery, Alabama native, I can confidently say that some of our citizens are not the brightest bunch in the world.
Didn't she have MS?
She was sick with MS, but still worked a job regardless. She had to provide for her family. Maybe not the brightest but imo, she was a good, hard working person trying to overcome the symptoms of MS using weed, so she could continue working.
And if she wasn't working you people would accuse her of being lazy and/or a welfare recipient.
No ur country has 3rd world hiring rules
She had MS you plank
My husband saw this happen to someone when he was a little boy in South Africa at an airshow. He remembers it vividly although he was really young.
We have multiple people at our company who are absolutely incompetent but are "protected" and we can't fire them.
Because they're union? Otherwise say what you mean!
@@wiseauserious8750 sad! And wrong, DEI should be abolished.
Because of DEI?
@@wiseauserious8750 because they're in a union? Why would anyone be against diversity, that's sad
Yep
There's an old video- not sure if it's still around- of a guy getting sucked in - but he survives because his clothing got caught on a bracket leading into the engine and it held him from going through. He was still injured (his hands got a little torn up), but it wasn't life-threatening. But you can see how quickly it happens, it was just ZIP!- and he's in the engine- and that it can happen from more than a foot or so away from the engine- the intake airflow is so intense there.
I have not read the full NTSB report, so I don’t wanna be judgmental, but as an airport worker I can say that, the cargo doors are on the right side of the airplane. This is the side of the number two engine, the engine that is shut down so approaching the airplane from the right side to open the cargo doors would not necessarily be unsafe or rather, regularly done.
The NTSB called that out too.
was she pulled into engine 1?
@@iwaswrongabouteveryhthing correct
@iwaswrongabouteveryhthing sucked right in!
MS can cause a fugue-like state.
So can fatigue, which may have been a factor when a chronically ill single parent is working 10 hour shifts in demanding physical labour.
So yeah. Dope doesn’t exactly sharpen your senses. She was close to getting terminated also. But I am just going to suggest that we have gotten a bit to lax on the weed rules. People are high as hell driving down the interstate. Can’t even stop smoking it long enough to drive. I know because you can smell it everywhere.
You can smell it everywhere, while you’re driving down the road?? 😂 Sounds like it’s in your car!
@ wow. That’s hilarious.
@@discospiders😄
She could've been sober and the thc was in her system still
@@ndungeon2990 sure. Sounds good. My guess is she wasn’t.
2 group safety huddles and a 3rd warning when she felt the jet blast when she put the cone at the rear. Yet still gets eaten by the engine.
She was high
@@msbeecee1 You don't get that numb by cannabis, especially not if you're used to smoking it. It's far more likely it was due to her medical condition, or that she didn't understand the physics behind jet engines and didn't think the force was that strong. Some people just don't have the brain capacity to understand seemingly obvious things; it's up to the ones training them to notice this in time before they're out on their own.
@@YeeLeeHaw I respect your compassionate viewpoint. 🙏
@@YeeLeeHawwith all due respect. You definitely can get this numb with cannabis. I have personal experience as a former pot head and have known hundreds of potheads growing up in California. Especially with the right strain. She did have it present in her system and it can’t be ruled out that her decision making abilities were impaired due to drugs in her system. While it is the responsibility of her supervisors, they did direct her away from the aircraft, her complacency, negligence, and diminished decision making skills while under the influence got her killed.
@@YeeLeeHaw Indica, DHT-8 can definitely get you this numb. She had it in her system. Her supervisor warned her. Complacency and negligence on her part is what did her in.
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The toxicology report showed THC in her system. Don’t use marijuana when you work around dangerous equipment.
I worked in safety management for a large transportation company for over 20 years. Some employees would get hurt once and they would never have another incident. Other employees would get hurt once or twice a year for 20 years! There is a set of people in this world that no matter what you do or how you do it, they can not make sound decisions when left alone. By the way, OSHA laws do not allow employers to punish employees for getting injured. You can fire them for working unsafely prior to injuries. However, at union jobs, this is more or less impossible.
It's Christmas day, I have a hangover and it's time to go to work. Thanks for the safety briefing.
This happened a couple times while I was serving in the Navy in the early 2000s. It's extremely important to be very aware of your surroundings on the flight deck. Accidents happen though. Its always so fast that no one can do anything about it.
Just like the old adage of treat every gun like it is loaded. Never ever forget that. Courtney was responsible for her own death regardless of the planes condition.
The best part of this is the FO musing "So we'll see if they try and open the doors with the engine on." "Yeah, like those knuckleheads in Dallas." That had me LOL.
Some people just don't have the presence of mind to behave responsibly with their own safety in positions like this. It's the job of management to identify and remove those people.
Poor woman….🕊🙏🏾
God bless her soul….🕊🙏🏾
And, her family……🕊🙏🏾
After extensive research ,I'd wager that someone could not -
"Tell her what to do ,Tell her what to do,Tell her what to do,Tell her what to do,Tell her what to do,Tell her what to do"
Or with a greater economy of words "no" .
I'd guess she doesn't listen to folks who are not from her tribe
@iwaswrongabouteveryhthing my research indicates you are wrong about that too
or she would SUE!!!!
@@engineerinhickorystripehat yawn
@@iwaswrongabouteveryhthing who even talks like this?
I think it's more about ingrained habits. The team and her got security briefings on this particular aircraft, they told her not to approach, she might even have listened with an ear or two, but quickly forgot about it. So she strictly followed routine. What's strange is that the Jet blast which made her stagger didn't remind her of the danger she was in. The MS had impacted her frontal lobes as shown in the NTSB medical docket, and it was a relapsing-remitting course of disease, resistant to targeted medication. She also had two other medical drugs prescribed which would also increase reaction time, increase sleepiness and decrease vigilance. There's a warning for one of these about working with dangerous objects. This person most likely was unfit for her job and her neurologist probably should have worked more closely on her case, involving the designated airport health officer. She might have been afraid to lose her job, but it's better to work in an area where there is less safety risk than working in a high-risk area where sustained attention to details (like the warning beacon) is key.
Telling someone something isn't the same as training them
As a long-ago regular pot smoker... I remember that when I was stoned it was easy to develop 'tunnel vision' and focus on one thing while ignoring everything else.
Yep same here
It's what makes it great for artists, and bad for ramp workers
The reason COURTNEY MICHELLE EDWARDS died was a SAFETY, Inadequate training and Medical Issues. Just because she had cannabis in her system, doesn't mean she got high that day. She had health problems that should've disqualified her from doing that job. PERIOD! RIP Courtney! 🙏🏽♥️🙏🏽
That’s a hell of a way to get fired.
She was terminated
Seems more like she quit.
You guys are definitely showing your true character.
Sucks
@@louniece1650it's called dark humor
The overarching question was how much was her fault and how much was negligence of the airline? It was overwhelmingly her fault. She was reckless beyond measure.
I doubt any of this is fault of the airline. At this point it just human beings and their own decision making capability
If you knew the conditions rampers work under, you would see how right your hunch is. They have VERY effective smear campaigns designed to malign employees when something catastrophic occurs. She was a ramper for years and a broken APU is very common. If she was incompetent, they should have provided remedial training. But I don't believe that's the case.
@@dreamingtree6093 ...you can't hold corporations responsible for stupidity. I teach math at university. I am extremely patient, and work with kids who are severely behind or impaired all the time, it is my passion. But there are some people who simply. Will. Not. Learn.
She had "relapsing-remitting multiple sclerosis".
"Symptoms of RRMS include muscle weakness, balance problems, vertigo, trouble seeing, numbness, fatigue, trouble thinking clearly, depression, and needing to urinate urgently."
"Developmental coordination disorder, dyspraxias, dysphagia, aphasia, *multiple sclerosis,* fibromyalgia, brain inflammation related to PANS are all examples of *neurodivergence".*
*"Under the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, neurodiversity is a protected class. Best practices in DEI require addressing equity and inclusion with neurodivergent individuals just as much as with race, religion, gender, national origin, etc."*
uhm,she was told twice within minutes of the accident not to go around the engines,I mean how can you question where the fault lies?
I was a medic in the USAF working in the ER. One day I had to pull an airman out of an F-16 engine where he was ingested. He had his hand up in a defensive position showing he knowing he was going in.
Thank you for your service to our country.
Very sad. 💔 I respect anyone who can stomach such tasks. Thank you for helping people at their worst. You are the best. 🎉
I’m so sorry you had to deal with this horrific accident.
God bless you.
USAF Veteran also. I worked around c-130s/141 C-5 ...Safety is always a priority...Thank you for your service 🇺🇸
Complacency KILLS