I tell my doctor all I need is lamictal for suicide.. but he kills me with additional meds . That can cause suicide.. lol I'm like one pill 💊 to stop it . One pill to cause it . He be mad as hell 😮 when I say no . So I just take the one that works and toss the other.. in order to stay steady on the one been working for 15 yrs
RIGHT?! I feel like most people have heard the names of those medications at some point in life .... just through passing, the news etc. She was like completely clueless ..... when the doctor said benzodiazepine she was being so rude. I work in the health care field, but even before that I had heard this terminology. How do you get to her age and have no clue what a single one of those meds were for? Maybe not all of them, but some of them you hear about regularly in the news. Sure she might be asking for the listeners but don't be a Karen to the people helping and using accurate medical terms.
Her first question she asked when she woke up in the hospital was " do I need a lawyer"....she knew exactly what she did.....can't use post partum on this one
Post partum shouldn't be used as an excuse in ANY of these cases. Only doctors that decline sterilizing mothers who request it, should be held liable. Otherwise all these people continue to breed willingly
Her husband told his best friend he thought his wife was addicted to Benzos and the doctor cut her off. She withdrew. He said this happened about 2 months before she hurt the kid's. She was on 3 meds and was being weaned off. She complained about her son on Facebook. She I believe planned this. Why couldn't she have left and gave the kid's to the dad. She had so much support as well. Read the police report.
The husband forgive his wife within 2-3 days. He knew his wife was being treated for post partum depression-psychiatric issues. The mental health professionals tried 13 different medications in I believe a 16-18 month time frame. Premeditated 100%.
I 100% agree I also think he shld be charged with negligence for allowing her to be alone with his children knowing her condition and the fact she had just been released from hospital shortly before the incident..so sad I hope they rip and she gets whatever is coming to her
I had a friend who, after having her babies, said “I just have this overwhelming desire to smother them” then got off the phone with me. I drove an hour at 1:00 am to wake up her husband to tell him what she said. They called her psych and she was not left alone with the girls and got help. Postpartum is NO JOKE. And unless a mom tells someone about these disturbing thoughts, people will have no clue nor warning just like in this case. RIP babies. Heartbreaking 💔
I could never, no matter how long I try, imagine the nightmare confronting this loving dad. Strength and endurance wished for him, to get through this time in his life.
I am bipolar, obsessive compulsive, epileptic, phobic, and a whole book of other lovely things, all at the same time. I have some of the meds mentioned here. My husband is totally clueless also, as to what I have been prescribed. Every single day though, I communicate and talk about my condition, so that my husband knows how I am health wise at any time. It is not incumbent upon him to try to read my mind. This man was going with what he was told. We see that in photos of her, this lady is smiling happily. She obviously hid a lot from everyone. Her husband shouldn't be maligned because he believed whatever she told him. He is a struggling husband and father. To put blame on him is grossly unfair.
@@megan2878 Nurse and doctors used to put a smile for patients, a facade, her smile was trained, her calm between crisis also, she could not stand three kids and to be a wife, she became obsessive and then psychotic.
@@maryjogreen1706 she’s a sociopath - plain and simple This is not postpartum psychosis Look at the woman who recently shot her two children and had all the happy FB posts or Susan Smith - these sociopaths exist! Enough with the postpartum excuses
Nancy FYI why don’t you listen to your guests because you are not an expert in everything. Again I am a 30 year OB/GYN RN and I can tell you it is very difficult to take care of these patients because many times they minimize their symptoms/thoughts. Even if they do tell you they’re having thoughts of harm your only option is to hospitalize them, separate them from their children, which absolutely needs to be done, but it is tragic and difficult for all involved. I love your show and I love you, but you have to realize as a prosecutor you’re playing 20/20 hindsight game, the rest of us have to take care of people in real time.
Why is she so angry toward the doctor? Psychotic breaks happen but the search on her computer makes me think this was planned. Nancy I was uncomfortable with the treatment the professional doctor received by you. If you want answers like you say, you have to research her behaviors before the murders. Rudeness does not make your program more provocative and interesting. Stop the drama.
Maybe the Medical Practitioners may do well to learn more of the medications they prescribe as from my experience they are rarely concerned with the mental health side effects of the mental health medications! Researching the drugs may be really useful before they are prescribed and unmonitored 😮😮😮
In the opening line of this video, Nancy describes the murderess lady as being “gorgeous”. Imagine if her guests say something that stupid?! She always berates her guests… I can’t imagine why any guest would ever do her show again.
@@marlenebasinger1372 I don’t hate Nancy. I do subscribe to this channel, but way too often I find her remarks very cringey to say the least. Like cutting off this lawyer to lambast him as somehow forgetting the first thing he learned in being a lawyer. Nancy needs to make herself feel like she is the smartest person in the room and will often ridicule her guests for saying something she doesn’t agree with. She also bends words they say to mean something totally different than what the guest was actually saying. Pay attention, this kind of stuff happens often with Nancy.
My previous boss daughter recently did the same thing to her daughters in New Zealand. It's not how I knew her. It was a shock. They also said postpartum psychosis and she had a history of depression. She however was found guilty, and they did not accept the postpartum psychosis defense. She is in a hospital serving her sentence. There is no good ending to it all. Very sad all round.
Nancy was so rude to Dr Angie about the word story, but literally, the banner behind her says "Crime Stories" CHANGE IT TO CRIME REALITY to suit Karen, I mean Nancy.
Alcoholism is considered mental illness and if while drunk you kill someone , you are still responsible. This applies here. And one can’t be sane and do this. My heart goes out to the family. So horrific.
Alcohol is actually extremely similar to benzos but more dangerous in certain ways so you probably don’t understand how those kinds of medicines work. I wasn’t a danger To myself ever until I was put on anti depressants and then benzos and withdrawal , It causes brain damage and can make you do things you never would have done. Lots of people have taken their life from the medicine making them.
I wouldnt even leave my dog in the care of someone taking 1/2 the meds this woman was taking. She never should have been released from inpatient care. How was she allowed to drive a vehicle to that pediatrician appointment, let alone be left to care for 3 children without her husband present 24/7.
I was wondering how she can drive or work on such strong medication and having post partum symptoms. she appeared to be functioning and competent, other than her self reported anxiety.
Do you know how many women go through postpartum depression?? Postpartum depression and psychosis are two completely different things. To say that nobody with PPD should be alone with their children is about as dumb as the way you spelled it.
She’s definitely beyond disrespectful to anybody she talks with. Cuts them off. Extremely rude tone with almost everyone. It makes it hard to watch cases that involve her.
that's her personality. don't watch if you don't like her. yes, she cuts people off especially when a thought enters her mind and she wants to get it out right then and there. her style is not for everyone. plenty of other crime shows to watch!
but so many of these people get on here talking like they are talking to colleagues. she wants them to talk "plain", like they are talking to lay people. and yes with the benzo thing, all the lady had to do was say what it was for which is what Nancy wanted her to do. most of the people that watch these shows don't know all the scientific language. she wants it simple for people to understand. and you would think that people that have been on the show before would know this and know how she is!
Her doctors had told the husband not to leave the mother alone with the kids. So I'm really confused on why he did decide to leave her alone with the kids and something horrible happened to them.
@@godhg9694 … yes asking questions and stating facts RUDELY (at times)! I’m a professional. And we are alllll human beings … there’s something called RESPECTFUL speaking with one another.
A mom who strangles her beautiful babies should never be described as gorgeous...She's a monster! They never asked to be born, and their monster mom has devastated two families, instead of talking to someone! These days after you have a baby you are screened for postpartum depression by baby pediatrician and gyn, for 6 monts after birth, you just need to be completely honest when answering the questions!
@@jonal42 she’s a sociopath - plain and simple This is not postpartum psychosis Look at the woman who recently shot her two children and had all the happy FB posts or Susan Smith - these sociopaths exist! Enough with the postpartum excuses
I wasn't screened after having my daughter. They checked my stitches to make sure they dissolved and all was good and said see ya! She sees her Dr every 2 months in the beginning and now that she is almost 2, every 3 months and then goes to once a year. I'm grateful I never experienced post partum especially since I have depression already. But ya, it must depend on what state you're in.
You obviously know ZERO about Post Partum Psychosis. My Mom had is and nearly killed me. This woman was heavily Medicated and the medications can make it worse. This Woman should have never been left alone with her Children. Period.
@@whendis.roberts9903Your mom was *already* a monster! Women who don't *already* have a drive to kill will never even get close to it! Lindsay was meticulous. Not losing her mind. Sending her husband away. Waking and saying, "Do I need a lawyer?". No, "Oops, I lost so much free will that the urge to end defenseless life took over" nonsense. She operated with the same intention that Laurren J. Courtney, Karina Roque, Julia Lee Carter, and more women did when they killed kids, and they were not dealing with post-partum issues! Let alone operating like women who aren't moms and murdered cause they wanted somebody "out of their life's/mind's way". They are just evil women who got a rush from taking over a defenseless, innocent body. None of that, "It's not *really* her fault" bullcrap!
As a RN this woman is a victim of the lucrative big pharma from Drs prescribing like she’s eating candy. Never question the effects of medications. How many is enough??????
This prosecutor told us step by step what the defendant did from the beginning to the end. This was definitely premeditated and planned and she should be prosecuted to the fullest!! The only voices this women heard was her babies saying stop mommy stop. 😡🤬😩
Exactly even if she was going through postpartum psychosis she needs to stay in prison for life, I had postpartum and knew something was wrong I handed my daughter to my mom while I dealt with it, it took me a while and back then there wasn't a lot of options for help.
You have no way of knowing what was in her head. Too many drugs is a start. Anger at her husband. Loss of equilibrium. I’m not sure what snapped in her but the drug combo couldn’t have helped. I almost jumped out my 2nd story window when taking a sample of a “new medication” (antidepressant) in the 1980’s for 3 days. I stopped myself, called my doctor and he said “Oh I meant to call you - that’s been taken off the market”. WHAT THE HELL?? There are too many doctors prescribing strong drugs like this and the media hyped up the “opioid epidemic “. Ha. I’m sure that most of people’s mood disorders are caused by bad meds and careless greedy doctors and drug companies.
I think her and that Dr Angie has history... Nancy was very emotional about this so she came off harsh but I don't think the psych doctor was bothered. I mean she (dr angie)has heard some crazy stuff, it's her specialty so trust me dr. Angie was not bothered at all.
She used to be a lot worse. She always sounded like she was yelling all the time! I can't blame her as she is very passionate about the cases especially when it is concerning children!
this is so sick. and happening more and more and more. it makes me literally sick and my body gets affected every night when i watch these programs (i am a kidnapping and homicide survivor-the only survivor), but it’s so important to me and i learn more. thank you nancy for all that you do. you are my idol.❤️
I’m so sorry you went through the trauma that you did. I nearly always regret watching these videos-particularly when children are hurt/murdered. This one is one of the worst. My advice to you is not to watch them given the effect they have on you -especially bc of the horrific acts that you experienced first hand. Wishing you a very lovely Christmas with those near/dear to you.
Why is Nancy so rude and disrespectful to her PROFESSIONAL GUESTS on her show? And it's not occasionally. It's alllll the time! One of these days, one of her guests is gonna tell her to kiss where the sun don't shine!
I was gonna say the same thing this is obviously a serious case and everyone is gonna take it a different way cause it’s hard to hear about kids and murder in the same sentence but it’s also not an excuse to be a bitch and talk over people like a child with a temper tantrum
I honestly cannot get over how rude and dismissive she is to her GUESTS. Where is the etiquette and courtesy? She does such good work but lets herself down big time with the interjecting,dismissivness and intimidating tone. Id just refuse outright to be on her show and let her know the damn reason.
She did seek psychological help, I bet she did not tell the doctors she was having urges to strangle her children, Most people going through it are too embarrassed to tell anyone. I've heard from many exhausted, depressed Moms who are afraid of themselves for their babies, because in some moments they want to strangle their children. Imagine feeling that urge all the time/and loving your children at the same time. It's a psychoses &must be treated.
@@riverrun3995 You don't know that she DIDN'T tell them that but honestly, what loving mother on earth - and by all accounts she WAS a loving mother - would tell the doctors THAT when there are a hundred other awful things running through your head like killing yourself. Husband or not, you risk the govt rushing in to take your kids. All this may have been running through her mind yet she STILL checked herself into a hospital hoping to get help for ALL OF IT. And as a brand new mom, so much of it was hormonal which can do horrible things as it is to your mental psyche. Look, I have 35 year old son that was diagnosed with child-onset schizophrenia at the age of TEN but BEFORE that, he was diagnosed with everything under the sun and given every med under the sun until he had his first psychotic break. It was awful and it took a good five years before we found the ONE medication that brought his life back to normal. I'll tell you what, there is no magic pill that will keep you from thinking about killing your babies so Lindsay telling the doctors WOULD HAVE CHANGED NOTHING MED WISE. As it is, that list of meds made her INSANE, I guarantee it...took away all her rational thinking AND PUT EVIL VOICES IN HER HEAD THAT FELT LIKE URGES. This is what these meds, I dare say, are designed to do to KEEP PEOPLE SICK and the mental health system rich as hell. Only naive idiots refuse to believe this is how the system works. THE DOCTORS WHO PRESCRIBED LINDSAY THESE MEDS ARE TO BLAME HERE!!! Unfortunately, i's too late for Lindsay...just as it was for Andrea Yates who was prescribed these same meds when she went for help. People need to wake up!!!
If it were me I would be mortified to tell anyone. But not more mortified than of killing my own kids! Yes it's embarrassing, but nothing compared to the shame and embarrassment of being the woman who murdered her own children. Is be terrified for my children.
@@mirzamay just remember that you’re saying that from a sane, reasonable frame of mind. She seemed so far gone - especially because only God knows what additional effects the sudden cocktail of psych meds had on her post-partum brain - that there’s no way to know how intact her higher reasoning was (I say “higher reasoning” because that’s different than the day-to-day stuff like running errands, which people have used as evidence that she wasn’t psychotic)
I remember when this case first happened and was all over the news. It is so beyond heartbreaking and gut-wrenching. 💔 I can’t even fathom how their father will ever recover from losing all of his children in such a ruthless and heinous manner. What their mother did to them is reprehensible and abhorrent. I hope that justice is served to the fullest extent of the law. May these precious, little angels rest in peace. 🌹
Hearing the list of medications in this case was a sad realization for me. I’ve been treated with many of the same medications in the past for anxiety and depression. During the times when I was taking the antidepressants, I struggled severely with IPV and uncontrollable rage. In my 20’s, I never understood the correlation between the medication and my abusive behavior but have since gained control of my emotions and been able to find better coping mechanisms for my depression, leading me to realize the medications were either causing or exacerbating my violent tendencies/anger. But no one ever actually checked if I needed SSRI’s or SSNI’s, they just prescribe them like candy. The reality is these medications can be super dangerous for people that do not have a serotonin imbalance, but suffer more with dopamine imbalances. If she experienced what I experienced with those types of meds, I truly feel sorry for that whole family because it was completely avoidable with proper medical testing and treatment. 😢
I remember being medicated with heavy meds in 48 hours. I saw the doctor for 3 mins a day. Those meds made me see demons. I got off them and started vit d and other vitamins. Those meds are the problem.
My daughter just turned 15. She is on her 4th try on another medication. I have looked up what she has and also the medication she is taking. Medication can make suicidal thoughts worse and whatever else.
@@stephaniecalhoun804 most of those drugs only address serotonin imbalances. There are neurotransmitter tests that can test for whether those levels are even out of balance or if it’s something like dopamine (or even just typical teenage hormones). She may not even have an imbalance to correct, I highly recommend doing some research about what testing is available to make an informed assessment before continuing to try multiple medications. I had irreversible side effects from them by the time I was in my early 20’s after doing that same medication dance starting at 16. Good luck
Not enough mental health workers!!! Not enough EASY ACCESS to the mental health workers, when a woman is in crisis mode. Even after the initial postpartum incident ends, patients may still be dealing with the effects 7 to 8 years later, especially when they are under stress and duress. ❤😢
Her weak attempt to kill herself. The 2nd story she jumped out of was nothing. If she wanted to die she would have found a way like she did with murdering her children. I can only imagine the feelings the father had and still has finding their children. 💔 RIP Callan, Cora, and Dawson.
I mean she’s paralyzed from the neck down. Maybe she didn’t think it through and that was the first thing that came to mind when trying to kill herself?
Yes, they know it is wrong! They described it as an irresistible urge, always planned in secret. Only thing to do is separate yourself from your children and get professional help.
Right Brianna! But she didn't ask help for the people close to her! She should have get away from the children ank and ask someone or her husband to take care of them and go to the hospital and seek out for help. How can she planned everything with cold blood and don't stopped when she was doing it.
I'm super tired of her sticking her own life into each and every newscast. Constantly bringing up her twins and ex fiance who was murdered so she's a victim of violence and also a former prosecutor 😂 Okay Okay, Nancy, we know.
Thank you for not sugar coating the facts! Have you looked in to the man who murder his wife in Cohasset, Massachusetts on New Year’s Eve, 2022. We hear about these horrific crimes and then nothing is ever explained to the public again, what the heck, maybe exposing these people with some kind of evil would bring to light how to stop them. Keep being the voice for those who can not speak any more ❤
Nancy, this woman did not mean to commit suicide. I understand that she's paralyzed in some way from the jump and I honestly do not believe that she meant for that to happen. Even. Anybody knows that you're not going to die from jumping from a second story window. At best you'll break a leg. I understand that she was injured further so I guess she really worked that jump up. But all I know in my logical heart of heart and mind of mind is that if you mean to kill yourself after doing something like that, especially, you're going to do it, you're going to mean it. And you're not going to jump from a second story window. This just reeks of narcissism or selfishness or something along those lines. I understand she was dealing with postpartum depression and I cannot say that I know what any of that feels like but she knew enough to know when she was going or being headed out to the deep end of this and should have asked for help. She should have asked for help
@@patedwards8844Exactly. It was proven by the small amount of blood smears along the side of the house. She did not even cut herself deep! By the time the paramedics arrived the minor cuts had stopped bleeding!
I can't believe she could have been taking all those concurrently and be functional at home and work and driving. and there's not enough time in the time period in question to have properly started and stopped them all. it seems a big oversight 😮
I am so tired of so many kids dying and cps still takes only non abused kids and leave these sorts of kids in the hands of unfit parents who kill their kids.
Nancy, you bring all these professionals so that they tell what they think, but you hardly let them talk. I’ve watched many of your programs; you ask them questions but as soon as they start talking, you cut them off.
I am disappointed in Nancy. I like her but she is very unprofessional and egocentric at times. I appreciate her passion but she comes across as rude and inconsiderate, especially when she is asking for feedback from professionals. She often looks like a child throwing a temper tantrum. Let’s practice some self control so you don’t piss off the professionals (who are on your side). You end up making this about you instead of the victims. You also can lose the audience and the focus, Nancy!
May those sweet babies rest in peace 🙏🏻🕊️ Nancy, the people on your panel are there to help you with the case. Why do you get so angry and rude with them? They didn’t commit this horrible crime. We’re all horrified by what this evil person did, but take an easy on your guests. They’re just explaining what you’re asking. 🤦🏼♀️
It's abusive. She asked the question, so don't yell at people for answering. And then don't agree when you're proven wrong and then keep yelling about other crap. She's such a reactionary. Drama queen.
This case hits close to home few towns over, this case makes me sick especially since her job was a nurse in maternity. So she knows what to say and how to act to fit her crime
Straight forward, passionate, honest, law abiding with a pitbull mentality, and mama bear tenacity, unfortunately, as someone who worked in a courtroom charm gets you nowhere. Sometimes, taking a step to the right and looking at something from a different perspective makes a world of difference. Would you want an attorney who was soft-spoken? Of course not, seriously, just stop being ridiculous.
I agree. She is rude to her GUESTS, which is really unnecessary and just without any manners. She is not in court and she is not speaking to the perpetrator. She is rude to people specializing in a certain field..
This is very unsettling because Lindsay Clancy is no Susan Smith or Diane Downs. Both of those monsters killed/ severely harmed their children for a man. Lindsay threw herself out of the window to literally kill herself but ended up a quadraplegic, which is worse than living. Lindsay was going through postpartum issues mixed with psychiatrists, medical doctors, and therapists prescribing all sorts of pills. Even her husband expressed grave concern over what those treatments were doing to her. There's much more to it than what we're being fed. Hate my comment, but we must remain objective until.
I fear she got to the worst post pardon state where a women is so depressed, unstable and wants to end her life, but feels guilty about leaving her children with out a mother. To the sane mind it sounds Ludacris! During this phenomenon of unhinged cognitive functioning to them make sense. Go to heaven and take your babies with you. Your right it isn't about getting rid of children for a man, it's more like getting rid of children so you can leave their lives. BEST ADVICE TO PREVENT, DOCTORS OFTEN ASK HAVE YOU HAD ANY DESIRE OF HURTING YOURSELF OR CHILDREN. WE AS WOMEN NEED TO ASK OUR FRIENDS AS WELL 💗
Hey I couldn’t agree with you more. Doctors are casually overprescribing very strong psychoactive drugs. I’m still having to deal with the lazy greedy “medical” providers who expect me to justify WHY I refuse the take most medications.
Look at those sweet children's faces!! How could you look at those beautiful INNOCENT faces that are looking at you trustingly...and KILL THEM? As a mother I cannot even imagine how you could do that! 😢
Thank you Nancy. This case is a tragedy. At the risk of over sharing, but I am familiar with many of those medications; and they are heavy duty. It almost sounds like the mother has been over prescribed or she is very ill. I have clinical depression and have tried many of those meds. However, I never wanted to strangle my children. My mother was schizophrenic and was prescribed an anti psychotic drug which is Seroquel. Nancy you are blessed with a clear and logical mind as a JD. However many people struggle. I am in no way excusing the mother's actions. My mother never committed crimes but many criminals have mental illness. Mom could never order from a complicated menu. It reminds me of the Andrea Yates case who was extremely mentally ill and I could barely stand to learn about the case. Another tragedy.
It's terrible how women like this give others with mental health conditions a dangerous image. So many people who are ill would never dream of harming anyone. I believe some people are just evil and use their health as an excuse sadly to the detriment of others. Hope you stay strong and continue to manage your depression 🙏🏼
@@ltee2261Thank you so much, Yes, dealing with mental health issues in a responsible way is challenging; proper therapy and medication is a matter of personal responsibly. I feel badly for people who stay confused and/or not able to deal with their challenges. The stigma of mental illness is not as bad as it used to be but it still is difficult. I feel like I have to keep it under wraps because others don't understand. However with age, I don't need others to understand. I just need to care for myself with the correct mental health care professionals. But for every troubled mass shooter or some parents killing their children, the stigma of mental illness increases.
@@darcymoon2109 I think she will be in home arrest meanwhile her parents live, she probably has an organic brain injury, frontal or temporal that in time of crisis it does not let her decide.
I thought I was the only one noticing it, she is like those lawyers who disrespects everyone. It might be how she is used to getting what she wants ,,, I am losing interest
@@baniget7068 Yes, I think she enjoys intimidating her guests.They are probably just grateful for the opportunity so they never push back but her behaviour is unnecessary.
First, I don't hate you Nancy, you've always been spot on. I have a question... Why is this becoming meta? So many children are dead by their mother's hand. I really don't get it. I'm 64 and have lived through a lot. I have never seen or heard a rash of little angels being RUTHLESSLY MURDERED by their Mother's! It's ridiculous how little respect this age, 2023, has for life. I don't understand it. Is it poison? Something in the water? WHAT? WHAT is making this happen so often??? Maybe I'll never know. Prayers for these little angels, may you fly in heaven... 🙏🙏💗💗
6 months later and it's still new stories every day of someone doing something unimaginable to a innocent child!! maybe this is the end times, like some say and the demons are in these murderous parents!!😢😢
Have you ever heard of post partum depression? All of the medications she was on and the side effects can be lethal, not only to the patient but to others. It can cause suicidal ideation and or homicidal ideation. This is the problem with psychotropic medications. They can have devastating consequences and side effects. We tend to overprescribe our patients in the U.S. We need to talk seriously about mental health care in our country. We don’t have enough psychiatrists and other mental health professionals. It’s really at a critical stage and nobody talks about it.
@@aracelibarrera9761 I agree but not necessarily for incentives or for nefarious reasons. They just need more training and education in medical school. When I received my training for a masters degree in psychology, I received more mental health training than my psychiatrist friend.
I know of two women in the village where I lived in England who wanted to kill their children through postpartum depression. One nearly drowned her son and another ,her depression was so bad she was hospitalized after each of her three children. No one could understand this but it’s a terrible depression. Some times the medication makes the mother feel worse and they have the deepest desire to murder their children. These women were educated and one was a teacher. The hospital told the teacher that postpartum gets worse after each child. Luckily she was hospitalized and they got her better and when she was well she hated her self for having these thoughts. These women are not insane but they have feelings to get rid of their child or children. In the year 2023 we should be understanding what these women are going through. The husbands should be told to look for signs. Doctors should hospitalize these women instead of throwing drugs at them so that they have to try and medicate themselves. I feel deeply sorry for these poor children who need not have died and her poor husband who has lost his children and wife.
The husband had switched to working at home to help. And she had been hospitalized. All those drugs were stuff they had tried for her. Was currently on 4 of them. So grateful the moms who lived near you got help in time.
If this woman had so many issues and was taking all those medications why would the husband even consider a third baby the woman could not care for herself much less 3 babies they stated she was going back to work soon and was stressed about that and raising 3 babies the husband should of been aware of her mental illness I think she was done being a mother and the murders were pre meditated and she should be found guilty not crazy
The list of medications you heard of are common. Those are very common psychiatric medications that anyone with depression or anxiety has probably tried. It did not cause her to become a murderer
Thank you, Nancy 🌷for covering this very sad case😢……… my goodness. This is really hard to believe how can a mother do such a thing she’ got to have serious, health issues or taking substances…….. Kim🇬🇧
Can a brainscan detect postpartum psychosis? 13 meds sounds excessive with an infant. If someone is predisposed to a mental issue, for example, depression, shouldn't brainscans be part of protocol pre- birth to detect changes and potential danger? Is that even possible? Postpartems should have 24 7 supervision.
I feel like with the amount of premeditation I don’t see PPP. I think something happened and she wanted to take control again. Lots of meds yes, but she planned out when to do it all. Even with my meds I can barely make lists even though I really want to.
Nancy, that's because you're a momma bear, just like me! We put our babies first. I remember having such terrible post partum (sp?) depression, I wanted to die. But as I sat and cried in the bathroom, ready to end it, I thought of them growing up without a mother. I couldn't. Same category of putting them first. I found out that this too shall pass, from holy scripture, it is true. Now my three girls are beautiful young adult children, and we've since had a son who's in his early teens. God's blessings! What doesn't kill us makes us stronger ❤ God bless you and your family, Nancy, keep up the great work!
Can you imagine being so low or in such a horrible state of mind that you think your children would be better off without you? Shame on you for judging someone else’s experience just because you were able to make it through. Good for you but have some compassion for others who aren’t as strong.
She was probably trying to get the correct medication to start feeling better. It’s really tragic when someone is going through something like this especially with all this medication, she should have never been left alone period. Her husband and her family had to know she was struggling. The sad part is many mothers don’t want to admit they are struggling because most people will make them feel crazy. There’s got to be more awareness about this. I had really tragic feeling about hurting my oldest daughter at 6 months old and thank god my mother came to my rescue immediately and kept my baby until I got better. It’s the worst feeling in the world and it’s humiliating. 😭
@@cassandra2685 that's what I'm saying, she had enough capacity to send him out when she could have done just the same and left and just not come back or she could have asked for help .
The husband will never be right again. He will never get that picture out of his mind. He will blame himself. Poor children and Dad. The mother will never understand how she did that. The influence of all those drugs is unimaginable. All drugs affect the brain and her thinking ability. This is so awful and tragic. She was not even alone with her kids with husband working from home. She had support.
She was a nurse I also believe she knew exactly what each and every medication was for how to abuse them! I believe Lindsay set this who awful thing in motion she had no INTENTION of ending her life just injuring herself
As soon as she read the med list it was clear to me there were serious mental health issues in her history. Several are anti-psychotics and mood stabilizers. Nancy was too venomous for me this episode though. Yes it brings out rage in me, but I’m not rude to others not involved…
I'm bi polar and have borderline personality disorder. I hate how doctors prescribe medication I feel like it can make things worse. Also I had horrible post pardom with my 2nd
Nancy unless you have suffered post partem depression you have no idea what it is. The woman was on way to much medication. She was obvious a sick woman with mental issues and no one was helping. The husband was living with her did he get her some help?
Nancy Grace isn’t rude, she’s sassy, bold and tough. I would love for her to be on my side and tremble in my shoes if she wasn’t. That’s a top notch prosecutor
Why did no one mention her voluntarily checking herself into a mental health facility and her outpatient therapy???? Or that she was a labor and delivery nurse and would be knowledgeable of postpartum depression??? Absolutely, correct this was a very sick woman!!!!!
Still doesn't mean she shouldn't be locked away for the rest of her life whether that be prison or a mental hospital. It doesn't change the fact she murdered 3 children. She is a danger to society.
You lied! Said you researched heavily , then responded you didn't hear the fact that she requested an attorney? You had it cued ! Please stay honest. I like your show but pls don't lie
This hits so hard & close to home. My uncles ex wife also un-alived his 3 children when I was a child. Before doing so, she came to our place & asked my mom if I could spend the night at her house. Bless God that my mom said no, otherwise I wouldn’t be here. My dad was with my uncle when they found the little bodies. My heart does bleed for this family. I think because of what happened to us, I’m always hyper vigilant about looking for the signs of mental illness, stress, lonelyness & trying to recognize when mothers in our family are overwhelmed. I think it’s part of the trauma resulting from what happened.
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I don't think you will read my message but just let me tell you how rude and hateful you are with your guess
With s😢 many women who are wanting to be a MOM. This is Brutal
I tell my doctor all I need is lamictal for suicide.. but he kills me with additional meds . That can cause suicide.. lol I'm like one pill 💊 to stop it . One pill to cause it . He be mad as hell 😮 when I say no . So I just take the one that works and toss the other.. in order to stay steady on the one been working for 15 yrs
Nancy why would a doctor know I got serious scars from my issues.. give me a pill that could CAUSE SUICIDE.. WHY
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Okay, I love Nancy, but when she's rude to people are on her side, it irritates me.
RIGHT?! I feel like most people have heard the names of those medications at some point in life .... just through passing, the news etc. She was like completely clueless ..... when the doctor said benzodiazepine she was being so rude. I work in the health care field, but even before that I had heard this terminology. How do you get to her age and have no clue what a single one of those meds were for? Maybe not all of them, but some of them you hear about regularly in the news. Sure she might be asking for the listeners but don't be a Karen to the people helping and using accurate medical terms.
That is the part I hate the most this is a podcast everyone has the right to their own opinion
Yeah, the benzo thing was a bit ridiculous
Agree
@@PlantEnchantressI agree, there’s no need to chop people off, and be so rude.
Her first question she asked
when she woke up in the hospital was " do I need a lawyer"....she knew exactly what she did.....can't use post partum on this one
Yep that psycho B. will try to use all her cards to get off.
She was well enough to send her husband out to execute her plan.
Post partum shouldn't be used as an excuse in ANY of these cases. Only doctors that decline sterilizing mothers who request it, should be held liable. Otherwise all these people continue to breed willingly
Her husband told his best friend he thought his wife was addicted to Benzos and the doctor cut her off. She withdrew. He said this happened about 2 months before she hurt the kid's. She was on 3 meds and was being weaned off. She complained about her son on Facebook. She I believe planned this. Why couldn't she have left and gave the kid's to the dad. She had so much support as well. Read the police report.
I agree
Omg.so.horific
My prayers go out to the husband the rest of the family.
The husband forgive his wife within 2-3 days. He knew his wife was being treated for post partum depression-psychiatric issues. The mental health professionals tried 13 different medications in I believe a 16-18 month time frame. Premeditated 100%.
No amount of prayers can change anything. A bit late for prayers.
The husband knew what she was capable of..
why leave her alone with those children
Did he actively help and support his partner or did he push her off to the doctors and drugs?
I 100% agree I also think he shld be charged with negligence for allowing her to be alone with his children knowing her condition and the fact she had just been released from hospital shortly before the incident..so sad I hope they rip and she gets whatever is coming to her
The Father must have a huge hole in his heart. I hope he has the support he needs.
I had a friend who, after having her babies, said “I just have this overwhelming desire to smother them” then got off the phone with me. I drove an hour at 1:00 am to wake up her husband to tell him what she said. They called her psych and she was not left alone with the girls and got help. Postpartum is NO JOKE. And unless a mom tells someone about these disturbing thoughts, people will have no clue nor warning just like in this case. RIP babies. Heartbreaking 💔
Seroquel is an anxiety medication
Not buying it. Free will is given to everyone. You are free to stop yourself however you have to do it.
@@pegasus8873have you ever had Postpartum?
That's the write thing to do if you feel overwhelmed! With so many cases like this and still don't get help, it's so weird
I could never, no matter how long I try, imagine the nightmare confronting this loving dad. Strength and endurance wished for him, to get through this time in his life.
Amen 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🕊️
We all need to pray for husband and family 🙏
No - he’s not an innocent bystander. He’s her partner who likely assumed the doctors and drugs would “fix” her. Men are clueless.
I am bipolar, obsessive compulsive, epileptic, phobic, and a whole book of other lovely things, all at the same time. I have some of the meds mentioned here. My husband is totally clueless also, as to what I have been prescribed. Every single day though, I communicate and talk about my condition, so that my husband knows how I am health wise at any time. It is not incumbent upon him to try to read my mind. This man was going with what he was told. We see that in photos of her, this lady is smiling happily. She obviously hid a lot from everyone. Her husband shouldn't be maligned because he believed whatever she told him. He is a struggling husband and father. To put blame on him is grossly unfair.
@@megan2878 Nurse and doctors used to put a smile for patients, a facade, her smile was trained, her calm between crisis also, she could not stand three kids and to be a wife, she became obsessive and then psychotic.
If you have any small nagging doubts whatsoever please, please, don't leave innocents alone with an unstable caregiver!!!
EXACTLY. It's called instincts!!!!
Never ignore your instincts. They are ALWAYS right.
Exactly
Aaaaamen!
It never ceases to amaze me how clueless these husband’s and fathers are to the endangerment of their children
She should be locked away forever. She was completely aware of what she was doing.
She had postpartum physichosis and was given medicine!!! 💊 she was a nurse she snapped 😢
A nurse,well she knew wrong from right ...witch woman
@@karolwestbrook5362Do you know how shortsighted you sound?!
@@maryjogreen1706 she’s a sociopath - plain and simple
This is not postpartum psychosis
Look at the woman who recently shot her two children and had all the happy FB posts or Susan Smith - these sociopaths exist! Enough with the postpartum excuses
@@Hope-xl3qmagreed
Nancy FYI why don’t you listen to your guests because you are not an expert in everything. Again I am a 30 year OB/GYN RN and I can tell you it is very difficult to take care of these patients because many times they minimize their symptoms/thoughts. Even if they do tell you they’re having thoughts of harm your only option is to hospitalize them, separate them from their children, which absolutely needs to be done, but it is tragic and difficult for all involved. I love your show and I love you, but you have to realize as a prosecutor you’re playing 20/20 hindsight game, the rest of us have to take care of people in real time.
She's just trying to cut thru the bull. .
Beat you told those patients to take a hot bath. Like my OBGYN . No respect. Sorry not Sorry.
You don't give a.s. about your patients. Just stop.
I mean the truth is hard, can't handle it- didn't watch her
Why is she so angry toward the doctor? Psychotic breaks happen but the search on her computer makes me think this was planned. Nancy I was uncomfortable with the treatment the professional doctor received by you. If you want answers like you say, you have to research her behaviors before the murders. Rudeness does not make your program more provocative and interesting. Stop the drama.
Agree 100%!!
Exactlyyy
Maybe the Medical Practitioners may do well to learn more of the medications they prescribe as from my experience they are rarely concerned with the mental health side effects of the mental health medications! Researching the drugs may be really useful before they are prescribed and unmonitored 😮😮😮
You don't have to be disrespectful to the doctors Nancy Grace
Agree 100%
In the opening line of this video, Nancy describes the murderess lady as being “gorgeous”. Imagine if her guests say something that stupid?! She always berates her guests… I can’t imagine why any guest would ever do her show again.
I don't think it's meant to be rude but to get to the point as she has to get answers asap as she has just so much time
@@marlenebasinger1372 I don’t hate Nancy. I do subscribe to this channel, but way too often I find her remarks very cringey to say the least. Like cutting off this lawyer to lambast him as somehow forgetting the first thing he learned in being a lawyer. Nancy needs to make herself feel like she is the smartest person in the room and will often ridicule her guests for saying something she doesn’t agree with. She also bends words they say to mean something totally different than what the guest was actually saying. Pay attention, this kind of stuff happens often with Nancy.
@@rickm3779absolutely. Nancy Grace is an unpleasant and arrogant woman
My previous boss daughter recently did the same thing to her daughters in New Zealand. It's not how I knew her. It was a shock. They also said postpartum psychosis and she had a history of depression. She however was found guilty, and they did not accept the postpartum psychosis defense. She is in a hospital serving her sentence. There is no good ending to it all. Very sad all round.
Nancy was so rude to Dr Angie about the word story, but literally, the banner behind her says "Crime Stories"
CHANGE IT TO CRIME REALITY to suit Karen, I mean Nancy.
Exactly!
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She's the boss. Get over it please
Alcoholism is considered mental illness and if while drunk you kill someone , you are still responsible. This applies here. And one can’t be sane and do this. My heart goes out to the family. So horrific.
Alcohol is actually extremely similar to benzos but more dangerous in certain ways so you probably don’t understand how those kinds of medicines work. I wasn’t a danger To myself ever until I was put on anti depressants and then benzos and withdrawal ,
It causes brain damage and can make you do things you never would have done. Lots of people have taken their life from the medicine making them.
Nancy? Please easy on the doctors. We need their professional comments, opinions, expertise.
I wouldnt even leave my dog in the care of someone taking 1/2 the meds this woman was taking. She never should have been released from inpatient care. How was she allowed to drive a vehicle to that pediatrician appointment, let alone be left to care for 3 children without her husband present 24/7.
preach 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
I was wondering how she can drive or work on such strong medication and having post partum symptoms. she appeared to be functioning and competent, other than her self reported anxiety.
If someone has post pardon depression they should never be alone with children !
There's no way to pardon it...
@@houseofsolomon2440😂
Do you know how many women go through postpartum depression?? Postpartum depression and psychosis are two completely different things. To say that nobody with PPD should be alone with their children is about as dumb as the way you spelled it.
That's post PARTUM!
If someone can't spell postpartum, they shouldn't have an opinion on it.
This was such a disturbing case I cried so much for those kids rest in peace to those angels she’s a monster she knew exactly what she was doing!!
Feel the same way.. poor little angels 🙏🙏🙏
Same here!!🙏🙏🙏
She’s definitely beyond disrespectful to anybody she talks with. Cuts them off. Extremely rude tone with almost everyone. It makes it hard to watch cases that involve her.
Thank God! Finally! 😲Some body that see her true colors and doesn't actually worship her!
that's her personality. don't watch if you don't like her. yes, she cuts people off especially when a thought enters her mind and she wants to get it out right then and there. her style is not for everyone. plenty of other crime shows to watch!
but so many of these people get on here talking like they are talking to colleagues. she wants them to talk "plain", like they are talking to lay people. and yes with the benzo thing, all the lady had to do was say what it was for which is what Nancy wanted her to do. most of the people that watch these shows don't know all the scientific language. she wants it simple for people to understand. and you would think that people that have been on the show before would know this and know how she is!
All those Neuro drugs & she was SAFE to be around the kiddos, this was a tragedy waiting to happen OMG Nancy!
Yes
She prob was a zombie
Junkie by sounds of it 😢 scary to think she was a children's nurse. Her past work needs investigating I think.
Her doctors had told the husband not to leave the mother alone with the kids. So I'm really confused on why he did decide to leave her alone with the kids and something horrible happened to them.
Wow! I cannot believe how incredibly rude Nancy is to her guests! Zero respect for these professional ppl! Smh.
she's not rude....she a professional just asking questions and stating facts
@@godhg9694 … yes asking questions and stating facts RUDELY (at times)! I’m a professional. And we are alllll human beings … there’s something called RESPECTFUL speaking with one another.
Exactly
Like why Nancy?? These ppl deserve SAME RESPECT AS YOU MS. NANCY!!
She asks questions but interrupts them in the middle of their answer and argued if she doesn't agree
@@godhg9694She’s absolutely being rude here. I’ve never seen her be so dismissive, sarcastic & rude before.
Omg Nancy. How do you do this!!!??? God Bless you ! Iworjed psychiatry over30 years. I can’t any longer. ?!!!! Thank you Nancy
A mom who strangles her beautiful babies should never be described as gorgeous...She's a monster! They never asked to be born, and their monster mom has devastated two families, instead of talking to someone! These days after you have a baby you are screened for postpartum depression by baby pediatrician and gyn, for 6 monts after birth, you just need to be completely honest when answering the questions!
what she did, doesnt make sense,,,,,,,,,,, i think there is alot more to it...............
@@jonal42 she’s a sociopath - plain and simple
This is not postpartum psychosis
Look at the woman who recently shot her two children and had all the happy FB posts or Susan Smith - these sociopaths exist! Enough with the postpartum excuses
I wasn't screened after having my daughter. They checked my stitches to make sure they dissolved and all was good and said see ya! She sees her Dr every 2 months in the beginning and now that she is almost 2, every 3 months and then goes to once a year. I'm grateful I never experienced post partum especially since I have depression already. But ya, it must depend on what state you're in.
You obviously know ZERO about Post Partum Psychosis. My Mom had is and nearly killed me. This woman was heavily Medicated and the medications can make it worse. This Woman should have never been left alone with her Children. Period.
@@whendis.roberts9903Your mom was *already* a monster! Women who don't *already* have a drive to kill will never even get close to it! Lindsay was meticulous. Not losing her mind. Sending her husband away. Waking and saying, "Do I need a lawyer?". No, "Oops, I lost so much free will that the urge to end defenseless life took over" nonsense.
She operated with the same intention that Laurren J. Courtney, Karina Roque, Julia Lee Carter, and more women did when they killed kids, and they were not dealing with post-partum issues! Let alone operating like women who aren't moms and murdered cause they wanted somebody "out of their life's/mind's way". They are just evil women who got a rush from taking over a defenseless, innocent body. None of that, "It's not *really* her fault" bullcrap!
As a RN this woman is a victim of the lucrative big pharma from Drs prescribing like she’s eating candy. Never question the effects of medications. How many is enough??????
The mom was evil to the core!
@@dianehess5520She wasn’t. This just isn’t one of those cases.
She wasn’t taking these drugs all at the same time . She could have told her husband. I’m sorry she deserves all the punishment
That pharmaceutical combination is a pathway to hell
A psychotic break can happen anytime. She looked like a loving mother. She probably is sickened by this. May those precious children rip.
Yep
@@merylottenstein4575she does not care.
@@annamarie7198she was in her right mind enough to google things. She is a baby killer and deserves to rot in prison for life
This prosecutor told us step by step what the defendant did from the beginning to the end. This was definitely premeditated and planned and she should be prosecuted to the fullest!! The only voices this women heard was her babies saying stop mommy stop. 😡🤬😩
Exactly even if she was going through postpartum psychosis she needs to stay in prison for life, I had postpartum and knew something was wrong I handed my daughter to my mom while I dealt with it, it took me a while and back then there wasn't a lot of options for help.
You don't know what she heard.
You have no way of knowing what was in her head. Too many drugs is a start. Anger at her husband. Loss of equilibrium. I’m not sure what snapped in her but the drug combo couldn’t have helped. I almost jumped out my 2nd story window when taking a sample of a “new medication” (antidepressant) in the 1980’s for 3 days. I stopped myself, called my doctor and he said “Oh I meant to call you - that’s been taken off the market”.
WHAT THE HELL?? There are too many doctors prescribing strong drugs like this and the media hyped up the “opioid epidemic “. Ha. I’m sure that most of people’s mood disorders are caused by bad meds and careless greedy doctors and drug companies.
Mm.. I’m guessing you don’t know how psychosis works. Ignorance is bliss I guess
@@violetsrayreikishop2no one is saying she shouldn't be punished
That poor Dad. There are NO WORDS……😢
I can't believe how she talks to her guests, so aggressive and cuts them off
The guest must know how she is and allow it
Strangely so, as they are professionals.
One day she’ll run out of guests 😂
I think her and that Dr Angie has history... Nancy was very emotional about this so she came off harsh but I don't think the psych doctor was bothered. I mean she (dr angie)has heard some crazy stuff, it's her specialty so trust me dr. Angie was not bothered at all.
She is very crass!
Yes, frustrating, but Nancy grace gets way emotional when crimes involve children, so you have to give her some slack.
She used to be a lot worse. She always sounded like she was yelling all the time! I can't blame her as she is very passionate about the cases especially when it is concerning children!
this is so sick. and happening more and more and more. it makes me literally sick and my body gets affected every night when i watch these programs (i am a kidnapping and homicide survivor-the only survivor), but it’s so important to me and i learn more. thank you nancy for all that you do. you are my idol.❤️
Sorry to hear you went through that. You’re definitely a survivor! 💪🏼
U idol this rude as bioch?! Ok
I hope you're ok ❤
I’m so sorry you went through the trauma that you did. I nearly always regret watching these videos-particularly when children are hurt/murdered. This one is one of the worst. My advice to you is not to watch them given the effect they have on you -especially bc of the horrific acts that you experienced first hand. Wishing you a very lovely Christmas with those near/dear to you.
@@dallas218rude? Who gives A.F if she's rude. She actually cares about victims and fights for them. Not everyone is out here to be "nice".
Why is Nancy so rude and disrespectful to her PROFESSIONAL GUESTS on her show? And it's not occasionally. It's alllll the time! One of these days, one of her guests is gonna tell her to kiss where the sun don't shine!
Agree with you 100%!!
I was gonna say the same thing this is obviously a serious case and everyone is gonna take it a different way cause it’s hard to hear about kids and murder in the same sentence but it’s also not an excuse to be a bitch and talk over people like a child with a temper tantrum
She was embarrassed by her ignorance and lashed out.
I honestly cannot get over how rude and dismissive she is to her GUESTS. Where is the etiquette and courtesy? She does such good work but lets herself down big time with the interjecting,dismissivness and intimidating tone. Id just refuse outright to be on her show and let her know the damn reason.
Don't watch.😅
She admitted herself in the mental hospital and they discharged her. She did ask for help multiple times from what I have heard following this case.
She did seek psychological help, I bet she did not tell the doctors she was having urges to strangle her children, Most people going through it are too embarrassed to tell anyone. I've heard from many exhausted, depressed Moms who are afraid of themselves for their babies, because in some moments they want to strangle their children. Imagine feeling that urge all the time/and loving your children at the same time. It's a psychoses &must be treated.
@@riverrun3995 You don't know that she DIDN'T tell them that but honestly, what loving mother on earth - and by all accounts she WAS a loving mother - would tell the doctors THAT when there are a hundred other awful things running through your head like killing yourself. Husband or not, you risk the govt rushing in to take your kids. All this may have been running through her mind yet she STILL checked herself into a hospital hoping to get help for ALL OF IT. And as a brand new mom, so much of it was hormonal which can do horrible things as it is to your mental psyche. Look, I have 35 year old son that was diagnosed with child-onset schizophrenia at the age of TEN but BEFORE that, he was diagnosed with everything under the sun and given every med under the sun until he had his first psychotic break. It was awful and it took a good five years before we found the ONE medication that brought his life back to normal. I'll tell you what, there is no magic pill that will keep you from thinking about killing your babies so Lindsay telling the doctors WOULD HAVE CHANGED NOTHING MED WISE. As it is, that list of meds made her INSANE, I guarantee it...took away all her rational thinking AND PUT EVIL VOICES IN HER HEAD THAT FELT LIKE URGES. This is what these meds, I dare say, are designed to do to KEEP PEOPLE SICK and the mental health system rich as hell. Only naive idiots refuse to believe this is how the system works. THE DOCTORS WHO PRESCRIBED LINDSAY THESE MEDS ARE TO BLAME HERE!!! Unfortunately, i's too late for Lindsay...just as it was for Andrea Yates who was prescribed these same meds when she went for help. People need to wake up!!!
If it were me I would be mortified to tell anyone. But not more mortified than of killing my own kids! Yes it's embarrassing, but nothing compared to the shame and embarrassment of being the woman who murdered her own children. Is be terrified for my children.
@@mirzamay just remember that you’re saying that from a sane, reasonable frame of mind. She seemed so far gone - especially because only God knows what additional effects the sudden cocktail of psych meds had on her post-partum brain - that there’s no way to know how intact her higher reasoning was (I say “higher reasoning” because that’s different than the day-to-day stuff like running errands, which people have used as evidence that she wasn’t psychotic)
No.
Does it seem like Nancy just does not like Angela at all right off the bat?
She is always interrupting her professional guests and are very rude to them, as if they are the murderers! Nancy is without manners. Really!
Nancy is just a loud mouth and obnoxious. I quit watching her for a while
Dr Angie always excuses murderers behaviors that's y
No depression is a joke it should be taken very very seriously
I remember when this case first happened and was all over the news. It is so beyond heartbreaking and gut-wrenching. 💔 I can’t even fathom how their father will ever recover from losing all of his children in such a ruthless and heinous manner. What their mother did to them is reprehensible and abhorrent. I hope that justice is served to the fullest extent of the law. May these precious, little angels rest in peace. 🌹
Holy Jesus thats a cocktail of medicine! Dr is responsible in my eyes😢
Hearing the list of medications in this case was a sad realization for me. I’ve been treated with many of the same medications in the past for anxiety and depression. During the times when I was taking the antidepressants, I struggled severely with IPV and uncontrollable rage. In my 20’s, I never understood the correlation between the medication and my abusive behavior but have since gained control of my emotions and been able to find better coping mechanisms for my depression, leading me to realize the medications were either causing or exacerbating my violent tendencies/anger. But no one ever actually checked if I needed SSRI’s or SSNI’s, they just prescribe them like candy. The reality is these medications can be super dangerous for people that do not have a serotonin imbalance, but suffer more with dopamine imbalances. If she experienced what I experienced with those types of meds, I truly feel sorry for that whole family because it was completely avoidable with proper medical testing and treatment. 😢
I remember being medicated with heavy meds in 48 hours. I saw the doctor for 3 mins a day. Those meds made me see demons. I got off them and started vit d and other vitamins. Those meds are the problem.
My daughter just turned 15. She is on her 4th try on another medication. I have looked up what she has and also the medication she is taking. Medication can make suicidal thoughts worse and whatever else.
@@stephaniecalhoun804 most of those drugs only address serotonin imbalances. There are neurotransmitter tests that can test for whether those levels are even out of balance or if it’s something like dopamine (or even just typical teenage hormones). She may not even have an imbalance to correct, I highly recommend doing some research about what testing is available to make an informed assessment before continuing to try multiple medications. I had irreversible side effects from them by the time I was in my early 20’s after doing that same medication dance starting at 16. Good luck
Not enough mental health workers!!! Not enough EASY ACCESS to the mental health workers, when a woman is in crisis mode.
Even after the initial postpartum incident ends, patients may still be dealing with the effects 7 to 8 years later, especially when they are under stress and duress. ❤😢
Her weak attempt to kill herself. The 2nd story she jumped out of was nothing.
If she wanted to die she would have found a way like she did with murdering her children. I can only imagine the feelings the father had and still has finding their children. 💔 RIP Callan, Cora, and Dawson.
She's building an aliby
I mean she’s paralyzed from the neck down. Maybe she didn’t think it through and that was the first thing that came to mind when trying to kill herself?
@@TaraVon why didn't she kill herself instead of killing their kids. She could have left them out of her suffering. She resented them.
The woman is raving mad.
She had free will not to kill her kids sick of MH being used as an excuse
This is an old case. She paralyzed after jumping from window. Karma is a B
LETS TALK ABOUT THE HUSBAND AND HOW HE IS?
Yes 💯
Thank you for having so much emotion Nancy. We all want justice.
I LOVE YOUR PASSION WHEN TALKING ABOUT CERTAIN ISSUES! ❤❤
NO MERCY FOR THIS MURDERER
She (Lindsey) better NOT be allowed out of jail to have more children ugh
Yes, they know it is wrong! They described it as an irresistible urge, always planned in secret. Only thing to do is separate yourself from your children and get professional help.
Good Lord this is so sad
Yes!!!! This, all the way. She knew she wasn't in the right frame of mind. SHE KNEW. And she should've gotten help.
Right Brianna! But she didn't ask help for the people close to her! She should have get away from the children ank and ask someone or her husband to take care of them and go to the hospital and seek out for help. How can she planned everything with cold blood and don't stopped when she was doing it.
I'm super tired of her sticking her own life into each and every newscast. Constantly bringing up her twins and ex fiance who was murdered so she's a victim of violence and also a former prosecutor 😂 Okay Okay, Nancy, we know.
@@TheVAULTofHORROR Her twins are alive. Her fiance was murdered.
Thank you for not sugar coating the facts! Have you looked in to the man who murder his wife in Cohasset, Massachusetts on New Year’s Eve, 2022. We hear about these horrific crimes and then nothing is ever explained to the public again, what the heck, maybe exposing these people with some kind of evil would bring to light how to stop them. Keep being the voice for those who can not speak any more ❤
Those sweet babies..treasured her..how can this Evil person ever be let out of prison.
my soul weeps ...praying for everyone involved in this tragic event.
Nancy, this woman did not mean to commit suicide. I understand that she's paralyzed in some way from the jump and I honestly do not believe that she meant for that to happen. Even. Anybody knows that you're not going to die from jumping from a second story window. At best you'll break a leg. I understand that she was injured further so I guess she really worked that jump up. But all I know in my logical heart of heart and mind of mind is that if you mean to kill yourself after doing something like that, especially, you're going to do it, you're going to mean it. And you're not going to jump from a second story window. This just reeks of narcissism or selfishness or something along those lines. I understand she was dealing with postpartum depression and I cannot say that I know what any of that feels like but she knew enough to know when she was going or being headed out to the deep end of this and should have asked for help. She should have asked for help
She dropped herself with her hands hanging onto the windowsill, dropping onto the roof under it & scooted herself to a 1 story drop
@@patedwards8844Exactly. It was proven by the small amount of blood smears along the side of the house. She did not even cut herself deep! By the time the paramedics arrived the minor cuts had stopped bleeding!
I really! think that she should get life in prison
holy moly , the rx she was on is insane !! they all zone you out of touch with reality !!
Yes extremely
I can't believe she could have been taking all those concurrently and be functional at home and work and driving. and there's not enough time in the time period in question to have properly started and stopped them all. it seems a big oversight 😮
Nancy, thank you for standing up for innocent victims. 🙏
I am so tired of so many kids dying and cps still takes only non abused kids and leave these sorts of kids in the hands of unfit parents who kill their kids.
Amen its horrible
She is so rude to her guests when she doesn’t agree like it erks me love passion but that’s just rude as hell
This case is so strange. Something went really wrong with her
Nancy, you bring all these professionals so that they tell what they think, but you hardly let them talk. I’ve watched many of your programs; you ask them questions but as soon as they start talking, you cut them off.
I thought I was the only one feeling that way. 😮
Yes. Today was the rudest I’ve ever seen her act. I’m done. There are plenty of other similar shows with courteous hosts.
Every time! Cringe.
I am disappointed in Nancy. I like her but she is very unprofessional and egocentric at times. I appreciate her passion but she comes across as rude and inconsiderate, especially when she is asking for feedback from professionals. She often looks like a child throwing a temper tantrum. Let’s practice some self control so you don’t piss off the professionals (who are on your side). You end up making this about you instead of the victims. You also can lose the audience and the focus, Nancy!
May those sweet babies rest in peace 🙏🏻🕊️
Nancy, the people on your panel are there to help you with the case. Why do you get so angry and rude with them?
They didn’t commit this horrible crime. We’re all horrified by what this evil person did, but take an easy on your guests. They’re just explaining what you’re asking. 🤦🏼♀️
I hate how she yells at people then switches it up and agrees with them while still yelling. Like, damn.
It's abusive. She asked the question, so don't yell at people for answering. And then don't agree when you're proven wrong and then keep yelling about other crap. She's such a reactionary. Drama queen.
Always interrupting people, so rude
@@TheVAULTofHORROR Agreed. That's why I can't listen to her that often.
Nancy, why do you have to be so rude to your guests?
They all know she is like this 😂
I feel so bad for some of her guests on several videos 🤦🏼♀️😂
Grow up the guests know that Nancy is dramatic if u don’t like it don’t be on her you tubes
This case hits close to home few towns over, this case makes me sick especially since her job was a nurse in maternity. So she knows what to say and how to act to fit her crime
Same
How is anyone on her show?! She’s so rude to everyone.
Straight forward, passionate, honest, law abiding with a pitbull mentality, and mama bear tenacity, unfortunately, as someone who worked in a courtroom charm gets you nowhere. Sometimes, taking a step to the right and looking at something from a different perspective makes a world of difference. Would you want an attorney who was soft-spoken? Of course not, seriously, just stop being ridiculous.
I agree. She is rude to her GUESTS, which is really unnecessary and just without any manners. She is not in court and she is not speaking to the perpetrator. She is rude to people specializing in a certain field..
@@christinepettett9138 one should always be aware of whom they are addressing ..SHE HAS GUESTS ON A PODCAST ..SHE IS NOT IN COURT ! 😏
I think she's RUDE to them because I feel she don't Agree with them!!..
@@christinepettett9138It’s apart of her show theatrics.
This is very unsettling because Lindsay Clancy is no Susan Smith or Diane Downs. Both of those monsters killed/ severely harmed their children for a man. Lindsay threw herself out of the window to literally kill herself but ended up a quadraplegic, which is worse than living. Lindsay was going through postpartum issues mixed with psychiatrists, medical doctors, and therapists prescribing all sorts of pills. Even her husband expressed grave concern over what those treatments were doing to her. There's much more to it than what we're being fed. Hate my comment, but we must remain objective until.
Your comment is understanding and compassionate. We don’t know a lot.
AWWWWW POOR LINDSEY FFFF OUTTAHERE WITH YOUR BULL SH1T !!!!!
I fear she got to the worst post pardon state where a women is so depressed, unstable and wants to end her life, but feels guilty about leaving her children with out a mother. To the sane mind it sounds Ludacris! During this phenomenon of unhinged cognitive functioning to them make sense. Go to heaven and take your babies with you. Your right it isn't about getting rid of children for a man, it's more like getting rid of children so you can leave their lives.
BEST ADVICE TO PREVENT, DOCTORS OFTEN ASK HAVE YOU HAD ANY DESIRE OF HURTING YOURSELF OR CHILDREN. WE AS WOMEN NEED TO ASK OUR FRIENDS AS WELL
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Distance from your children! She opened her mouth and took the pills.
Hey I couldn’t agree with you more. Doctors are casually overprescribing very strong psychoactive drugs. I’m still having to deal with the lazy greedy “medical” providers who expect me to justify WHY I refuse the take most medications.
Look at those sweet children's faces!! How could you look at those beautiful INNOCENT faces that are looking at you trustingly...and KILL THEM? As a mother I cannot even imagine how you could do that! 😢
Thank you Nancy. This case is a tragedy. At the risk of over sharing, but I am familiar with many of those medications; and they are heavy duty. It almost sounds like the mother has been over prescribed or she is very ill. I have clinical depression and have tried many of those meds. However, I never wanted to strangle my children. My mother was schizophrenic and was prescribed an anti psychotic drug which is Seroquel. Nancy you are blessed with a clear and logical mind as a JD. However many people struggle. I am in no way excusing the mother's actions. My mother never committed crimes but many criminals have mental illness. Mom could never order from a complicated menu. It reminds me of the Andrea Yates case who was extremely mentally ill and I could barely stand to learn about the case. Another tragedy.
It's terrible how women like this give others with mental health conditions a dangerous image. So many people who are ill would never dream of harming anyone. I believe some people are just evil and use their health as an excuse sadly to the detriment of others. Hope you stay strong and continue to manage your depression 🙏🏼
@@ltee2261Thank you so much, Yes, dealing with mental health issues in a responsible way is challenging; proper therapy and medication is a matter of personal responsibly. I feel badly for people who stay confused and/or not able to deal with their challenges. The stigma of mental illness is not as bad as it used to be but it still is difficult. I feel like I have to keep it under wraps because others don't understand. However with age, I don't need others to understand. I just need to care for myself with the correct mental health care professionals. But for every troubled mass shooter or some parents killing their children, the stigma of mental illness increases.
can you imagine giving up a loving hard working husband, a life of freedom, 3 beautiful babies for a life of never walking again and rotting in jail?
What a pure hell she must be existing in. For the rest of her life.
RIP little ones
She’ll go to Bridgewater State Hospital
@@darcymoon2109 I think she will be in home arrest meanwhile her parents live, she probably has an organic brain injury, frontal or temporal that in time of crisis it does not let her decide.
Nancy, you do wonderful work, but you are SO rude to your guests at times & tonight you were just awful to Dr. Angie
I thought I was the only one noticing it, she is like those lawyers who disrespects everyone. It might be how she is used to getting what she wants ,,, I am losing interest
@@baniget7068 Yes, I think she enjoys intimidating her guests.They are probably just grateful for the opportunity so they never push back but her behaviour is unnecessary.
First, I don't hate you Nancy, you've always been spot on.
I have a question...
Why is this becoming meta?
So many children are dead by their mother's hand. I really don't get it. I'm 64 and have lived through a lot. I have never seen or heard a rash of little angels being RUTHLESSLY MURDERED by their Mother's! It's ridiculous how little respect this age, 2023, has for life.
I don't understand it. Is it poison? Something in the water?
WHAT?
WHAT is making this happen so often???
Maybe I'll never know.
Prayers for these little angels, may you fly in heaven...
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6 months later and it's still new stories every day of someone doing something unimaginable to a innocent child!! maybe this is the end times, like some say and the demons are in these murderous parents!!😢😢
Medications dr*gs and alcohol is definitely not helping
Have you ever heard of post partum depression? All of the medications she was on and the side effects can be lethal, not only to the patient but to others. It can cause suicidal ideation and or homicidal ideation. This is the problem with psychotropic medications. They can have devastating consequences and side effects. We tend to overprescribe our patients in the U.S. We need to talk seriously about mental health care in our country. We don’t have enough psychiatrists and other mental health professionals. It’s really at a critical stage and nobody talks about it.
Not an excuse.
I like what you said but the psychiatrists are the ones who prescribe them for money
@@aracelibarrera9761 I agree but not necessarily for incentives or for nefarious reasons. They just need more training and education in medical school. When I received my training for a masters degree in psychology, I received more mental health training than my psychiatrist friend.
Still doesn't mean she shouldn't be held accountable at the very least she should be locked in a mental hospital for the rest of her life.
I know of two women in the village where I lived in England who wanted to kill their children through postpartum depression. One nearly drowned her son and another ,her depression was so bad she was hospitalized after each of her three children. No one could understand this but it’s a terrible depression. Some times the medication makes the mother feel worse and they have the deepest desire to murder their children. These women were educated and one was a teacher. The hospital told the teacher that postpartum gets worse after each child. Luckily she was hospitalized and they got her better and when she was well she hated her self for having these thoughts. These women are not insane but they have feelings to get rid of their child or children. In the year 2023 we should be understanding what these women are going through. The husbands should be told to look for signs. Doctors should hospitalize these women instead of throwing drugs at them so that they have to try and medicate themselves. I feel deeply sorry for these poor children who need not have died and her poor husband who has lost his children and wife.
The husband had switched to working at home to help. And she had been hospitalized. All those drugs were stuff they had tried for her. Was currently on 4 of them. So grateful the moms who lived near you got help in time.
Also you take the kids to someone or somewhere to get them away from you then at that point.
Why would they keep having kids if that happens to them after. That seems weird… maybe they don’t think it will happen again?
@@kristypickett4227 Exactly 💯
So so so sad , what a beautiful family
All that medication she was on NOBODY thought to prescribe BIRTH CONTROL ‼️🙄🙄
Those medications and being left alone with her young children caused this. That poor father should sue the pharmaceutical companies and doctors.
Yes!!! 🙌🏻 Ofcourse that’s not even a question in anyone’s minds… so sad
Absolutely agree
If this woman had so many issues and was taking all those medications why would the husband even consider a third baby the woman could not care for herself much less 3 babies they stated she was going back to work soon and was stressed about that and raising 3 babies the husband should of been aware of her mental illness I think she was done being a mother and the murders were pre meditated and she should be found guilty not crazy
The list of medications you heard of are common. Those are very common psychiatric medications that anyone with depression or anxiety has probably tried. It did not cause her to become a murderer
Sad case, but why is Nancy so disrespectful? I'd already have given her a piece of my mind by now
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Disrespectful and rude to professional people!
What is this world coming to ??
Thank You Nancy for all your hard work !
People are extremely unhinged since the pandemic very scary world ro be in right now
It’s always been like this.
It's like an epidemic of parents murdering their kids so sad 😢
Thank you, Nancy 🌷for covering this very sad case😢……… my goodness. This is really hard to believe how can a mother do such a thing she’ got to have serious, health issues or taking substances…….. Kim🇬🇧
Can a brainscan detect postpartum psychosis?
13 meds sounds excessive with an infant. If someone is predisposed to a mental issue, for example, depression, shouldn't brainscans be part of protocol pre- birth to detect changes and potential danger? Is that even possible?
Postpartems should have 24 7 supervision.
I agree with you 100% about the supervision.
Mate I would have told her to shut up speaking to me like that. Does she think she's above everyone!?? No need for it.
I feel like with the amount of premeditation I don’t see PPP. I think something happened and she wanted to take control again. Lots of meds yes, but she planned out when to do it all. Even with my meds I can barely make lists even though I really want to.
Prayers to the family. This is so sad. 😢
Mom was clearly a monster.
I agree with you as well, Nancy. She knew right from wrong.
Yes-but in a delusional state you truly believe the delusion. This wasn’t an act of evil. She’d been dealing with postpartum for months prior.
She most certainly did...
Nancy, that's because you're a momma bear, just like me! We put our babies first. I remember having such terrible post partum (sp?) depression, I wanted to die. But as I sat and cried in the bathroom, ready to end it, I thought of them growing up without a mother. I couldn't. Same category of putting them first. I found out that this too shall pass, from holy scripture, it is true. Now my three girls are beautiful young adult children, and we've since had a son who's in his early teens. God's blessings! What doesn't kill us makes us stronger ❤ God bless you and your family, Nancy, keep up the great work!
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Can you imagine being so low or in such a horrible state of mind that you think your children would be better off without you? Shame on you for judging someone else’s experience just because you were able to make it through. Good for you but have some compassion for others who aren’t as strong.
I'd like to know what doctor in their right mind would precribed all of those at once??!! THATS criminal!!
She was probably trying to get the correct medication to start feeling better. It’s really tragic when someone is going through something like this especially with all this medication, she should have never been left alone period. Her husband and her family had to know she was struggling. The sad part is many mothers don’t want to admit they are struggling because most people will make them feel crazy. There’s got to be more awareness about this. I had really tragic feeling about hurting my oldest daughter at 6 months old and thank god my mother came to my rescue immediately and kept my baby until I got better. It’s the worst feeling in the world and it’s humiliating. 😭
Nancy your a true , real caring person with real feelings.
I'll never understand this kind of behavior,why couldn't she just leave the family if she didn't want to be a wife and mother anymore!!
She was severely mentally ill.
@@donnanoe6736thank you 👍🏼
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She was sane enough to manipulate her husband into leaving the house
GTFO
@@donnanoe6736 she had enough wherewithal to send hubby out on an errand ?
@@cassandra2685 that's what I'm saying, she had enough capacity to send him out when she could have done just the same and left and just not come back or she could have asked for help .
The husband will never be right again. He will never get that picture out of his mind. He will blame himself. Poor children and Dad. The mother will never understand how she did that. The influence of all those drugs is unimaginable. All drugs affect the brain and her thinking ability. This is so awful and tragic. She was not even alone with her kids with husband working from home. She had support.
Look at the drugs they prescribed her. She never should have left alone with them
Yeah she was on heavy drugs
Keep in mind that Lindsay was a labor and delivery nurse while taking a lot of these medications.
She was a nurse I also believe she knew exactly what each and every medication was for how to abuse them! I believe Lindsay set this who awful thing in motion she had no INTENTION of ending her life just injuring herself
I love you Nancy and thank you for taking a stand for these children. ❤
As soon as she read the med list it was clear to me there were serious mental health issues in her history.
Several are anti-psychotics and mood stabilizers.
Nancy was too venomous for me this episode though. Yes it brings out rage in me, but I’m not rude to others not involved…
I'm bi polar and have borderline personality disorder. I hate how doctors prescribe medication I feel like it can make things worse. Also I had horrible post pardom with my 2nd
Nancy unless you have suffered post partem depression you have no idea what it is. The woman was on way to much medication. She was obvious a sick woman with mental issues and no one was helping. The husband was living with her did he get her some help?
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@marcialovejoy9926 as far as I know, he was trying to help her. He even started working from home while all the post partum stuff was happening.
She’s like a rude little toddler
Lawyer or not, you are rude and unprofessional.
Nancy Grace isn’t rude, she’s sassy, bold and tough. I would love for her to be on my side and tremble in my shoes if she wasn’t. That’s a top notch prosecutor
Yes 💯
I agree!
Nancy you are so rude to your guests.
this makes me sick, I would love some small babies, I lost my daughter and this is disgusting!❤❤❤
It makes me sick too and sorry for your lost I lost my son 2 year ago and I couldn't imagine ever hurt any children 😢😢
Sending love to you xx
@@terriemckenney1657Sending love to you xx
Why did no one mention her voluntarily checking herself into a mental health facility and her outpatient therapy???? Or that she was a labor and delivery nurse and would be knowledgeable of postpartum depression??? Absolutely, correct this was a very sick woman!!!!!
Still doesn't mean she shouldn't be locked away for the rest of her life whether that be prison or a mental hospital. It doesn't change the fact she murdered 3 children. She is a danger to society.
You lied! Said you researched heavily , then responded you didn't hear the fact that she requested an attorney? You had it cued ! Please stay honest. I like your show but pls don't lie
This hits so hard & close to home. My uncles ex wife also un-alived his 3 children when I was a child. Before doing so, she came to our place & asked my mom if I could spend the night at her house. Bless God that my mom said no, otherwise I wouldn’t be here. My dad was with my uncle when they found the little bodies. My heart does bleed for this family. I think because of what happened to us, I’m always hyper vigilant about looking for the signs of mental illness, stress, lonelyness & trying to recognize when mothers in our family are overwhelmed. I think it’s part of the trauma resulting from what happened.
Nancy chill out! Don’t be a rude toddler