Sorry Tommy I won't be getting one - 3 within 200 miles of where I live $67,000 to $76,000 - dealers want to rip everyone off - I really hope some of the crooks go out of business.
One of the local dealers here in Vegas had a Bronco Raptor on the lot for $125k a few months back. They also had a 2 door black diamond with the sasquatch package for 75k. Absolutely ridiculous what they're pulling.
@@2Greenlid maybe in some areas. Mavericks here are still at least $5k over. Broncos seem to all be around $10k, unless it's one of the high end models. That said, you may be right as I've suddenly started seeing a LOT of broncos on the road in the last couple months. Of course, you can't hardly find a new Ranger on a lot.
I love my Everglades. It has 0 problems handling 30” of snow. I was worried about getting the 2.3, but I am more than impressed with it both off roading and passing another vehicle on the highway
That proven Gen2 TGDI powertrain is excellent. Run good full synthetic engine oil & Motorcraft filters always . Change @5k mis it will go 200k+ mis easily.
Reason 2.3 only is alternator location. 2.3 has it located high on engine, 2.7 has low mounted alternator. Look at IAG Off Road video about 2.7 alternator problems. This low mount alternator problem was also noted on Truck King's video on the Everglades package
One of the other unique features of the Everglades is the 12” screen. It’s basically a black diamond mid package but gets signature lighting and the bigger screen. High package screen minus the 360* cameras. The winch would block the front camera anyway.
Seriously thinking about getting one of these for Mrs JAX. She's a big Bronco fan, and I REALLY like the Everglades edition. It has everything we could want. Thanks for the great content, guys! Hope to get to run into you all one of these days. Take care!
Great video I didn’t know about the Everglades edition but now I understand and appreciate what it offers. I think if I get the chance to order a 2024 it’s going to be the Everglades edition! Thanks for the recommendation. I’ll send you the picture when I get it!
Man... I wish they would have explained this before as good as you have. I looked at the 2.3L and said... Nah. But after hearing about the relocation of even the differential breather... This is so much more appealing. Still love my 2 door, but this is much better than I gave them credit for.
My '22 BadSquatch, 2.7L MIC, Lux, Tow, was $59, 800 and has the Sta-bar disconnect, heated seats, and adaptive cruise. I didn't do the modular bumper cause I don't like the Ford winch setup and getting an aftermarket bumper. The MGV seats are great and the builtin drains in the floor as well. I just don't see the cost value for the Everglades.
How does the ratio of the crawler gear in the manual Bronco compare with 1st gear of the automatic transmission? I think that the Everglades with a manual transmission might be one of the best Bronco configurations...
I agree! Even the base models, which probably don’t exist in reality, are a lot for the average person. They look flipping awesome and I want one bad! Not even for its ability, as I’m not an off-roader, it’s just cool. I’ll just have to wait and see how used prices are down the road, lol.
Jeeps and Bronco’s have become luxury off road vehicles, even status symbols. When an off road vehicle’s cost equals a top end BMW & Mercedes it’s become a luxury vehicle. Buy a used Jeep or Bronco and let someone else absorb that first year depreciation.
@@larrys9879 except in some areas insurance on a BMW or Mercedes is absolutely wild…like in NYC the insurance quotes for German cars was basically 2-3x
@@Dontstressbenchpress A vehicles value and claims experience are major factors that determine insurance cost. The insureds credit rating, age, marital status, location of vehicle, and driving record are also factors.
It would have been cool to show the breather hose locations on the first edition and Everglades that are under the hood. You’ll be surprised how high the breather hoses are on the non Everglades bronco (by the brake booster)
I drove Broncos with both motors. Never gave a second of thought about the performance. I ordered and received my 2.3 Two door Bad Lands, and I saved $1900.
Do you both have the Sasquatch pkg? And if so, are there any differences in ride comfort, quality, or road noise? Just want to make sure I'm not losing any ride quality by going with the 2.3L Everglades Sasquatch. Thanks
I live in Florida and fish in the Everglades all the time. I fell in love with the Everglades Edition in green when I first saw it. Went to the dealer to order one last year. They told me it was only available to current reservation holders. I needed something that would tow my utility trailer and go off-road so I bought a 2011 Lexus GX460 with 114k miles and I absolutely loved it. Well 6 months later I got a warning light on the dash for transmission solenoids. Apparently the only fix is a tranny swap for $6k. Then I noticed a coolant leak and that’s another $2k fix. I bought the Lexus because of it was supposed to be reliable. I don’t have $8k on hand. I went to the Ford dealer the other day because they actually had an Everglades Edition in stock. The dealer had it Marked up to $76k and told me Ford has stopped taking all orders on Broncos even for 2024 models. I can’t buy a Bronco or afford to throw $8k into a $22k 12 year old vehicle. I’m basically without a vehicle for at least a year now. Screw Ford. They botched this whole thing.
It’s always the oddball vehicles that never were a hot commodity when new …..only years after is when that model becomes super desirable! I agree , I’m sure the Everglades will be a sought after model in 5 -10 years
I thought about the getting a Everglades but the fact of the smaller engine and non being changeable kill it for me, the V6 in my opinion and experience driving with both engines the V6 feel away better in every aspect, it’s a cool vehicle and definitely gonna be great but I couldn’t sacrifice how the bigger engine feel even tho the Everglades comes loaded
As far as I see it. At this moment, there is none available that sit at MSRP: $56k. The honest price for this as a 4 cylinder: $40k starting price. Also, the small issues people are having? No thanks. Love the car and would love one. Doesn’t seem it’s worth it at this moment in time.
@@hispanica316 The backorder issues Ford is having. Some people are having back up cameras malfunctioning. Fit and finish issues. Although minimal is certain areas, but I expect more from vehicles ranging in the $65-70k range.
The sticker price on my 2022 2 door Base manual was $28,500. I don't need all kinds of fancy features and I've had all kinds of fun off roading with it. Coming up on 20,000 miles and no issues. Plus I can take the top and the doors off and ride in style. I wouldn't want any other vehicle.
Great video, and I appreciate what Tommy is saying, but it just convinced me that Everglades would not be the trim of choice for me - too many sacrifices in the name of water fording, and too expensive for what it offers.
When it comes to a 4X4 in today's world I always think about my first. A 1972 K5 Chevy Blazer with locking front hubs and automatic transmission. It did have an AM radio. A strictly utilitarian interior. Cost in 1972 dollars was $4200.00. It looked like an overweight International. The Marines at the Navy base where I was stationed in the northeast wouldn't even stop it. Even when my wife was driving.
I wanted a Bronco, badly. Then I sat down till the feeling went away, and got a Ranger. Much more practical. And by the time the Ranger gets to places I need a Bronco to continue, I'm usually fly-fishing by that time anyway.
I built one of these online. It's what I would get if I were getting one. If I do get a Bronco it will be a 4-banger because I want a manual. I'm torn between a Jeep Grand Cherokee 4xe Trailhawk and the Bronco. My commute will only be 24 miles round trip starting in August so the 25 mile EV range of the 4xe is very appealing. I'd love to to say "screw it" and just get both but I don't have 120k to drop on vehicles.
Since you actually add the winch and stuff later, and most don’t need a snorkel it will not be a highly bought package. You could add a snorkel and move the other vents after market too if you decided you wanted it. But again aftermarket you can make it even more water capable than thd stock kit.
Snorkels were originally put on off road vehicles to get the intake out of the dust plume from the vehicles you were following, not for water fording. They just happened to work for water fording too.
its also the reason that most have the snorkel intake pointing towards the rear of the vehicle, to prevent as much dust as possible getting into the intake and potentially blocking air filters
Before I clicked on this video, I was just browsing online a week ago just to see what different trims Ford had for the broncos and golly there's a bunch but the Everglades stood out to me. And dang it cost a pretty penny. Js
I absolutely love my desert sand Everglades. It's the best! I miss my OBX but there is no equal. Even the quality of doors, dash, steering wheel, seats, etc are so much more solid.
agree with other commenter. You saying this makes many folks disregard your opinion altogether, to the point of not believing you actually owned both or even one now. Every Bronco owner knows those parts are the same so please don't add false info.
I work for Ford and went with the Everglades. The Everglades is the best out of the box to off-road with. The 2.3 Liter is much more reliable than the 2.7l V6. I did not want leather interior. It's will be used to off road. The weather matted interior is a must for snow or wet conditions. Its easy to clean. It already comes with a snorkel and a 10klb winch. Seats are military grade and easy to clean. You can add the swaybar disconnect. It will bolt right up and can be powered by the auxiliary switches. It really is hard to beat. If anyone is shopping for one and can get one. It's a no-brainer. People asking about the power. You can buy a Ford tuner directly from them. Bringing up the torque to 385 ft lbs and 340hp. It's more than enough for an off road vehicle. PS. I have a 800hp car for the track. I'm choosing reliability all day
The wildtrak doesnt offer s sway bar disconnect. And the everglades is a niceee vehicle but the badlands offers soo much more you can get the vinyl floor, manual trans and the 2.3l in the badlands. Add a snorkel and since these broncos are very very modular you can swap the fenders if you really like the square over the round
Can someone tell me if the 2.3L non sasquatch bronco ride feel different from the 2.3L sasquatch bronco? Does having the HOSS suspension system of the sasquatch pkg change the ride completely, making it better?
This Everglades is exactly how I made my base Sasquatch bronco. I purposely wanted the 2.3l because first off 300hp in an off-roader is plenty plus it was reliable being that it had been in the Ranger and Mustang plus if you want more power you can tune and it will still stay reliable. Really wish they had the Everglades at launch would have been the model I bought.
I think the 2.3 also has an alternator that sits higher underneath. For a water vehicle that’s important. I think personally that’s the real reason they did 2.3
I got 2024 caddilac xt4 but i always wanted bronco. So thinking to switch but i m now confused as its lacking all those features. But i really love the look
I really like the bronco, but I have always been thrown off of its looks with its fender flares. When Ford announced the Everglades trim with the new flares, it corrected the issue I had with it and looks 100x better. I think those flares should be offered on every trim. I just don’t like the round flares. My wife wanted a bronco and we were set to order one but once I pointed out the flares she didn’t like it either. We do go offroad and we use the swaybar disconnect on our gladiator a lot. I think it’s dumb that they did not include the sway bar disconnect on the Everglades model. So now we are stumped again. You can’t always have everything. What to do what to do. In reality it’ll prob be fine if we don’t have a sway bar disconnect but for 55-56k they could have included it.
@@markhavelka4924 yeah I would love that! Everyone always asks me for my gladiator why didn you get leather it’s easier to clean from taking it offroad and being dirty. And I’m just like cuz when you take the top and doors off that leather gets freaking hot! No way!
Just buy a 2.3 litre Badlands Sasquatch model. Unless you plan on destroying your Bronco fording 4 ft of water and filling your interior with water, you won’t swamp the Badlands either. There will be an aftermarket snorkel either from Ford, the aftermarket, or both.
@@C10sRule I could, but I hate the round fender flares. Can’t just swap the flares cuz the sheet metal is diff on the fenders. Don’t care bout the snorkel whatsoever. It’s the flares
The 2.3 liter only has direct injection. The 2.7 has direct and port injection. I like it, but would want the 2.7 with port injection to help prevent carbon buildup on the intake valves.
@@ALMX5DP hey your right. I just looked at the parts catalog for fule injection and only the DI injectors show up. Looks like I'll need to do my valves eventually...
@@Dobbs6651 a catch can isnt a bad idea, but shouldnt be too much of a problem if you do regular oil changes with high quality synthetic oil. I think I've seen high mileage DI engines which look like they have some build up on the back of the valves, but many of those werent in for any issues related to that (it was just an observation while the manifold was off). Our Ford 2.0T has the above and is changed at 5k with Mobil 1. So far so good at nearly 90k miles.
It's crazy to think back in the day "my day" I don't think you could get a 4×4 with a V8 with 300 horse power and 325 ft. pounds of torque & now you can get a small 4 cynder with it. And the best I remember my 1st brand new car was $9,000.00.
I wonder what kind of tunes and turbo upgrades there will be for the 2.3...or has Ford already tuned it to within an inch of its life using the engineering resources only they have?
I’m fairly sure the stabilizer bar disconnects are exclusive to First Editions and Badlands trims, regardless if the Sasquatch package is selected; can anyone confirm?
Tommy grew up and continues to look and sounds confident and magnificent and brilliant love you bud as always Amazing job Awesome hairstyle and outfit. Your talent is outstanding
You want big engine… I’m the 2.3 turbo is fine. Thing moves pretty damn good. And if you want more power just get performance tune for extra 30hp. If you really want more hp than that just get a race car lol. This is a off road vehicle 2.3l is has awesome and really peppy
I wish you could get the 3.0L engine in the bronco without the raptor package! The 2.7L is just underpowered for a built bronco. I have the 2.7L in my F150 and it gets a passing grade when not towing, but honestly it doesn't have enough to put a grin on your face. Maybe I am just too used to driving electric cars like the Model Y that have dual motors and insane torque off the line?
wish you would have covered a bit more of the specs on water fording the swamp rat vs std bronco water fording. Why is a defeatured, yet costly, model really worth the cost? How much weight difference is there really? You mentioned things, but failed to 'sell' me that it is really desirable, because you did not drill into the details more.
Trying to keep it under $50k. Debating between Black Diamond and Outer Banks model. Which one is the better value? If I’m only going to off road occasionally, is the Sasquatch package worth it?
I think either one of those trims with the SASQ package will set you back close to $60k My outer banks SASQ was $58k before tax….more than I wanted to spend but definitely happy with it..
@@markcole6475 ended up with a black diamond non Sas for $48k with mid package. I couldn’t find any SASQ packages in my area below $60k. There were enon in base, BB or BD. I did want the MGV instead of leather or cloth along with a hard top so it worked out. Wish I could have found a black diamond SAS
The reason I went for a black diamond 2.3L sasquatch are those exact points you brought up. If only this had been available during the first releases. Hopefully Ford will offer some kind of snorkel kit in the future for us to buy.
I would go with the Black Diamond also. I wish they had better oem rim options. For the money it's a great value if you don't need the extreme off road capabilities. These kind of 'trucks' have incredible resale.
Everglades looks like a better package. No Sasquatch in Glades only Skunk Apes and never gets cold enough to warrant heated wheel/seats. Otherwise, it was a good commercial for Ford. FYI--I remember mud boggin in the 80s with my buddy in his 2 door 4 banger Yota! 4 cylinders are plenty of engine for most people.
I just worry about the longevity of all these little 4 bangers with turbos and high compression ratios. This thing is over 2 horsepower per cubic inch, which is really pushing it. You have to really rev them out to get into the power band. Personally, I don’t like vehicles with poor low end power. As they say, “There’s no replacement for displacement.”
Great video Tommy! I love the effort and thought that went into changing the everglades model. What are your opinions on a Base Sasquatch... from a pure value perspective, the base sasquatch that can be upgraded over time. A 4 door Basesquatch with hard top and wiring kit runs around 45K based on engines and accessories / the Everglades runs around 56K but that includes upgrades like a wash out floor / vinyl seats / mid package / etc {Not a bad deal at all if you plan to keep it stock}. I could have a lot of fun upgrading a bronco with the $11,000 saved. But I'm curious, If you had 56K to spend on a bronco, would you go for the everglades or upgrade/customize a base?
I couldn't agree more. It is too bad that Ford brought it back for 2023 model year because as a one year limited trim, it would have been more rare than the first edition as well as the heritage limited trims.
$56000.00 is insane for what is a basic model with a winch that you can buy for 1200, a pretty ugly plastic tube and a few longer hoses. It would have helped to have the cameras and front sway bar disconnect. Also with the dealer mark ups going on you probably won't find one any where near that price.
Funny how so many people say the 2.3L engine is plenty powerful enough in the Bronco but put that same engine in a much lighter Mustang and everyone says it sucks.
Want to talk about recalls? Airbag sensors malfunctioning. Rearview cameras displaying false/lagging images. windshields loose/leaking. Child safety locks opening in locked position. Then there's the massive markups over MSRP...... if you can even get one. Hardly "the best".
I waited a year and a half for a black diamond Sasquatch before I got frustrated and quit waiting. They’re still scarce unless you want to pay over sticker and after seeing plenty of Bronco videos I think it’s safe to say a Bronco is only barely worth the sticker price and no more.
You had me wanting one up until you said it doesn't come in two doors I've always wanted to know can you get a base model with the Sasquatch back he's all I wants the off-road goodies not sit don't need a heated steering wheel don't need electric don't heated seats either
Not to mention, the 2.3l is less desirable to most people, which is why Ford made it the only engine available in the NA Ranger. Even though we'd prefer more choice in the engine line up.
The fact it's designed for 'overlanding' yet the cab is still too small to sleep in is ridiculous at this point. Why not make the front seats somehow fold down to accommodate a mattress?
It's a great trim, but for me, I would have to say the Badlands. I benefit more from the bash plates and sliders. You right don't care for the leather or authentic seats.
Sorry Tommy I won't be getting one - 3 within 200 miles of where I live $67,000 to $76,000 - dealers want to rip everyone off - I really hope some of the crooks go out of business.
One of the local dealers here in Vegas had a Bronco Raptor on the lot for $125k a few months back.
They also had a 2 door black diamond with the sasquatch package for 75k. Absolutely ridiculous what they're pulling.
@@HondaWired what auto manufacturers are adopting this model? Certainly not Ford, Chevy, Jeep/Chrysler/Ram…
I’ve already seen the “Market Adjustment “fall from $10,000 to $3-5,000. This summer we will be under MSRP, patience…
@@HondaWired from my understanding, a large part of why most manufacturers use independent dealers is due to congressional mandates.
@@2Greenlid maybe in some areas. Mavericks here are still at least $5k over. Broncos seem to all be around $10k, unless it's one of the high end models. That said, you may be right as I've suddenly started seeing a LOT of broncos on the road in the last couple months. Of course, you can't hardly find a new Ranger on a lot.
So much information and you did the entire video in one take. Respect.
Loving my Big Bend 2.3l - I came from a 6.2l Raptor that just wasn't made for the New Hampshire trails. Miss it but loving the Bronco.
I love my Everglades. It has 0 problems handling 30” of snow. I was worried about getting the 2.3, but I am more than impressed with it both off roading and passing another vehicle on the highway
I had a Black Diamond and found an Everglades about 5 hours away from me for 57k and I jumped on it immediately. So far, I’m freaking loving it!
I picked up my 2024 Everglades today! I love the thing! So fun to drive!
What is the difference between them? I've been wanting to get a black diamond
I traded in 23 black diamond for 24 Everglades in Azure Grey.
Are you guys talking usd
I bought a Bronco with the 2.3l. The manual transmission is what I really wanted and the 2.3l is a great motor so far, no regrets!
That proven Gen2 TGDI powertrain is excellent. Run good full synthetic engine oil & Motorcraft filters always . Change @5k mis it will go 200k+ mis easily.
Is your transmission grinding yet? Seems like most of the manuals are having problems. Mine had the problem the day after purchasing it. 😢
@@MrBeautalkz yep, taking it in to the dealer next week. No regrets though.
I ordered my Dad a 2.7.. cause I’m the most bestest son ever😊
@@micahrichey5335what’s the issues with the manuals?
Reason 2.3 only is alternator location. 2.3 has it located high on engine, 2.7 has low mounted alternator. Look at IAG Off Road video about 2.7 alternator problems. This low mount alternator problem was also noted on Truck King's video on the Everglades package
Wildtrak doesn't get the Sway bar disconnect. Only Badlands, First edition (No longer produced) and Raptor have it.
My OBX sway bar disconnect was made by craftsman... It just doesn't reconnect automatically.
@@mpeugeot You probably get more articulation as well
I think the Badlands Sasquatch has it
@@TheBeatenPaths Sasquatch has nothing to do with it. All Badlands have it. Sas or non-Sas
One of the other unique features of the Everglades is the 12” screen. It’s basically a black diamond mid package but gets signature lighting and the bigger screen. High package screen minus the 360* cameras. The winch would block the front camera anyway.
Seriously thinking about getting one of these for Mrs JAX. She's a big Bronco fan, and I REALLY like the Everglades edition. It has everything we could want. Thanks for the great content, guys! Hope to get to run into you all one of these days. Take care!
Great video I didn’t know about the Everglades edition but now I understand and appreciate what it offers. I think if I get the chance to order a 2024 it’s going to be the Everglades edition! Thanks for the recommendation. I’ll send you the picture when I get it!
Man... I wish they would have explained this before as good as you have. I looked at the 2.3L and said... Nah. But after hearing about the relocation of even the differential breather... This is so much more appealing. Still love my 2 door, but this is much better than I gave them credit for.
My '22 BadSquatch, 2.7L MIC, Lux, Tow, was $59, 800 and has the Sta-bar disconnect, heated seats, and adaptive cruise. I didn't do the modular bumper cause I don't like the Ford winch setup and getting an aftermarket bumper. The MGV seats are great and the builtin drains in the floor as well. I just don't see the cost value for the Everglades.
I just bought a 2024 Everglades on Monday and I am in love!!
How does the ratio of the crawler gear in the manual Bronco compare with 1st gear of the automatic transmission? I think that the Everglades with a manual transmission might be one of the best Bronco configurations...
I’m extremely fortunate. I’ve had a reservation since day one and as of today my Bronco Everglades is in production.
Massively expensive, and as with every bronco it’s totally unattainable…
I agree! Even the base models, which probably don’t exist in reality, are a lot for the average person. They look flipping awesome and I want one bad! Not even for its ability, as I’m not an off-roader, it’s just cool. I’ll just have to wait and see how used prices are down the road, lol.
Jeeps and Bronco’s have become luxury off road vehicles, even status symbols. When an off road vehicle’s cost equals a top end BMW & Mercedes it’s become a luxury vehicle. Buy a used Jeep or Bronco and let someone else absorb that first year depreciation.
@@larrys9879 except in some areas insurance on a BMW or Mercedes is absolutely wild…like in NYC the insurance quotes for German cars was basically 2-3x
@@Dontstressbenchpress A vehicles value and claims experience are major factors that determine insurance cost. The insureds credit rating, age, marital status, location of vehicle, and driving record are also factors.
@@larrys9879 yeah of course but I’m talking for me personally when I was car shopping the quotes for German cars were wild compared to a bronco
It would have been cool to show the breather hose locations on the first edition and Everglades that are under the hood. You’ll be surprised how high the breather hoses are on the non Everglades bronco (by the brake booster)
They show the intakes in the video raptor bronco and non raptor differences.
@@randalsweeting661 They show the intakes but not the breather hoses for the differentials and transmission.
got me a MANUAL Badlands. LOVE IT!
What's the durability and reliability of the 2.3 as opposed to the 2.7? In other words does one engine have more issues than the other.
I drove Broncos with both motors. Never gave a second of thought about the performance. I ordered and received my 2.3 Two door Bad Lands, and I saved $1900.
I got the badlands sas with the 2.3 and honestly the engine has plenty of power. I barely notice a difference when I switch to driving my buddy's 2.7.
Do you both have the Sasquatch pkg? And if so, are there any differences in ride comfort, quality, or road noise? Just want to make sure I'm not losing any ride quality by going with the 2.3L Everglades Sasquatch. Thanks
I live in Florida and fish in the Everglades all the time. I fell in love with the Everglades Edition in green when I first saw it. Went to the dealer to order one last year. They told me it was only available to current reservation holders. I needed something that would tow my utility trailer and go off-road so I bought a 2011 Lexus GX460 with 114k miles and I absolutely loved it. Well 6 months later I got a warning light on the dash for transmission solenoids. Apparently the only fix is a tranny swap for $6k. Then I noticed a coolant leak and that’s another $2k fix. I bought the Lexus because of it was supposed to be reliable. I don’t have $8k on hand. I went to the Ford dealer the other day because they actually had an Everglades Edition in stock. The dealer had it Marked up to $76k and told me Ford has stopped taking all orders on Broncos even for 2024 models. I can’t buy a Bronco or afford to throw $8k into a $22k 12 year old vehicle. I’m basically without a vehicle for at least a year now. Screw Ford. They botched this whole thing.
Bronco Order-banks open up at the end of this month 👍
It’s always the oddball vehicles that never were a hot commodity when new …..only years after is when that model becomes super desirable!
I agree , I’m sure the Everglades will be a sought after model in 5 -10 years
Living in central alaska we like the heated seats AND the heated steering wheels on our jeeps.
I thought about the getting a Everglades but the fact of the smaller engine and non being changeable kill it for me, the V6 in my opinion and experience driving with both engines the V6 feel away better in every aspect, it’s a cool vehicle and definitely gonna be great but I couldn’t sacrifice how the bigger engine feel even tho the Everglades comes loaded
I found two everglades models for sale, one is 70k the other is 76k. WIll the prices of vehicles ever become affordable again?
I just went from the Wiltrak to the Bronco Raptor! TBH I wish i had just modded the Wildtrak.
As far as I see it. At this moment, there is none available that sit at MSRP: $56k. The honest price for this as a 4 cylinder: $40k starting price. Also, the small issues people are having? No thanks. Love the car and would love one. Doesn’t seem it’s worth it at this moment in time.
What issues are there?
@@hispanica316 The backorder issues Ford is having. Some people are having back up cameras malfunctioning. Fit and finish issues. Although minimal is certain areas, but I expect more from vehicles ranging in the $65-70k range.
The sticker price on my 2022 2 door Base manual was $28,500. I don't need all kinds of fancy features and I've had all kinds of fun off roading with it. Coming up on 20,000 miles and no issues. Plus I can take the top and the doors off and ride in style. I wouldn't want any other vehicle.
Great video, and I appreciate what Tommy is saying, but it just convinced me that Everglades would not be the trim of choice for me - too many sacrifices in the name of water fording, and too expensive for what it offers.
When it comes to a 4X4 in today's world I always think about my first. A 1972 K5 Chevy Blazer with locking front hubs and automatic transmission. It did have an AM radio. A strictly utilitarian interior. Cost in 1972 dollars was $4200.00. It looked like an overweight International. The Marines at the Navy base where I was stationed in the northeast wouldn't even stop it. Even when my wife was driving.
I had that very vehicle in orange.
I wanted a Bronco, badly. Then I sat down till the feeling went away, and got a Ranger. Much more practical. And by the time the Ranger gets to places I need a Bronco to continue, I'm usually fly-fishing by that time anyway.
I have a Wildtrak but I love the Everglades model. Don’t forget you can do the Ford Tune on the 2.3 if you want.
I built one of these online. It's what I would get if I were getting one. If I do get a Bronco it will be a 4-banger because I want a manual. I'm torn between a Jeep Grand Cherokee 4xe Trailhawk and the Bronco. My commute will only be 24 miles round trip starting in August so the 25 mile EV range of the 4xe is very appealing. I'd love to to say "screw it" and just get both but I don't have 120k to drop on vehicles.
Since you actually add the winch and stuff later, and most don’t need a snorkel it will not be a highly bought package. You could add a snorkel and move the other vents after market too if you decided you wanted it. But again aftermarket you can make it even more water capable than thd stock kit.
Snorkels were originally put on off road vehicles to get the intake out of the dust plume from the vehicles you were following, not for water fording. They just happened to work for water fording too.
its also the reason that most have the snorkel intake pointing towards the rear of the vehicle, to prevent as much dust as possible getting into the intake and potentially blocking air filters
Before I clicked on this video, I was just browsing online a week ago just to see what different trims Ford had for the broncos and golly there's a bunch but the Everglades stood out to me. And dang it cost a pretty penny. Js
I absolutely love my desert sand Everglades. It's the best! I miss my OBX but there is no equal. Even the quality of doors, dash, steering wheel, seats, etc are so much more solid.
Than what? Your OBX? If so how cause it’s all the same unless is a Bronco Raptor.
agree with other commenter. You saying this makes many folks disregard your opinion altogether, to the point of not believing you actually owned both or even one now. Every Bronco owner knows those parts are the same so please don't add false info.
I work for Ford and went with the Everglades. The Everglades is the best out of the box to off-road with. The 2.3 Liter is much more reliable than the 2.7l V6. I did not want leather interior. It's will be used to off road. The weather matted interior is a must for snow or wet conditions. Its easy to clean. It already comes with a snorkel and a 10klb winch. Seats are military grade and easy to clean.
You can add the swaybar disconnect. It will bolt right up and can be powered by the auxiliary switches.
It really is hard to beat. If anyone is shopping for one and can get one. It's a no-brainer.
People asking about the power. You can buy a Ford tuner directly from them. Bringing up the torque to 385 ft lbs and 340hp. It's more than enough for an off road vehicle.
PS. I have a 800hp car for the track. I'm choosing reliability all day
The wildtrak doesnt offer s sway bar disconnect. And the everglades is a niceee vehicle but the badlands offers soo much more you can get the vinyl floor, manual trans and the 2.3l in the badlands. Add a snorkel and since these broncos are very very modular you can swap the fenders if you really like the square over the round
Can someone tell me if the 2.3L non sasquatch bronco ride feel different from the 2.3L sasquatch bronco? Does having the HOSS suspension system of the sasquatch pkg change the ride completely, making it better?
This Everglades is exactly how I made my base Sasquatch bronco. I purposely wanted the 2.3l because first off 300hp in an off-roader is plenty plus it was reliable being that it had been in the Ranger and Mustang plus if you want more power you can tune and it will still stay reliable. Really wish they had the Everglades at launch would have been the model I bought.
Yup Sasquatch and base model bronco is all you need. I love mine looks better than the more expensive ones.
I think the 2.3 also has an alternator that sits higher underneath. For a water vehicle that’s important. I think personally that’s the real reason they did 2.3
That is correct. Someone may do a waterproof alternator for the 2.7, conformal coated, but nothing yet that I know of.
2.3 is an Ecoboost
Agreed, I actually thought the title of his vid was to let that out as "ford's little secret", lol.
Badlands has standard sway bar disconnect. Not available on Wildtrak.
does anyone know if/when the Bronco 2.3 will receive combo port and direct injection ?
I got 2024 caddilac xt4 but i always wanted bronco. So thinking to switch but i m now confused as its lacking all those features. But i really love the look
Can I get a soft top option as well?
So you're mentioning the increased water fording but not the difference in number?
Everglades; My #1 favorite interior. Also, Swaybar disco only FE and Badlands, Raptor, and Heritage Limited.
Tommy, you know the Badlands and Black Diamond also have rubber floors and MGV seats for that amount of money, right?
Marine-grade vinyl and rubber floors are far superior to leather and carpet.
Especially if you like swamp ass!
@@fullspeedfordbronco ?
@@HeyMavDak The MGV seats are really hot, especially during the summer months - therefore causing swamp ass 😄
@@fullspeedfordbroncoHave you ever smelled the inside of a work truck that has cloth seats?
@@HeyMavDak Yea, but are we talking about work trucks or the Ford Bronco? Obviously MGV is far superior for you but not everyone else…
I really like the bronco, but I have always been thrown off of its looks with its fender flares. When Ford announced the Everglades trim with the new flares, it corrected the issue I had with it and looks 100x better. I think those flares should be offered on every trim. I just don’t like the round flares. My wife wanted a bronco and we were set to order one but once I pointed out the flares she didn’t like it either. We do go offroad and we use the swaybar disconnect on our gladiator a lot. I think it’s dumb that they did not include the sway bar disconnect on the Everglades model. So now we are stumped again. You can’t always have everything. What to do what to do. In reality it’ll prob be fine if we don’t have a sway bar disconnect but for 55-56k they could have included it.
I’m waiting for the Goldilocks Bronco. Cloth seats, sway bar disconnect and Everglades fenders.
@@markhavelka4924 yeah I would love that! Everyone always asks me for my gladiator why didn you get leather it’s easier to clean from taking it offroad and being dirty. And I’m just like cuz when you take the top and doors off that leather gets freaking hot! No way!
Just buy a 2.3 litre Badlands Sasquatch model. Unless you plan on destroying your Bronco fording 4 ft of water and filling your interior with water, you won’t swamp the Badlands either. There will be an aftermarket snorkel either from Ford, the aftermarket, or both.
@@C10sRule I could, but I hate the round fender flares. Can’t just swap the flares cuz the sheet metal is diff on the fenders. Don’t care bout the snorkel whatsoever. It’s the flares
@@15jwrangler - True!!
The 2.3 liter only has direct injection. The 2.7 has direct and port injection. I like it, but would want the 2.7 with port injection to help prevent carbon buildup on the intake valves.
Nope 2.3 for the bronco and ranger is not like the old one on the mustang. It does have both.
@@Dobbs6651 Ford's website states just DI for the 2.3 while mentioning PFDI (Port Fuel/Direct Injection) for the 2.7..
@@ALMX5DP hey your right. I just looked at the parts catalog for fule injection and only the DI injectors show up. Looks like I'll need to do my valves eventually...
@@Dobbs6651 a catch can isnt a bad idea, but shouldnt be too much of a problem if you do regular oil changes with high quality synthetic oil. I think I've seen high mileage DI engines which look like they have some build up on the back of the valves, but many of those werent in for any issues related to that (it was just an observation while the manifold was off). Our Ford 2.0T has the above and is changed at 5k with Mobil 1. So far so good at nearly 90k miles.
@@ALMX5DP Thanks! yeah def need a catch can.
It's crazy to think back in the day "my day" I don't think you could get a 4×4 with a V8 with 300 horse power and 325 ft. pounds of torque & now you can get a small 4 cynder with it. And the best I remember my 1st brand new car was $9,000.00.
I wonder what kind of tunes and turbo upgrades there will be for the 2.3...or has Ford already tuned it to within an inch of its life using the engineering resources only they have?
Ford offers a tune for the 2.3 that boosts HP to 330 and torque to 385, while retaining the factory warranty.
Pretty happy with my 2 door BadSquatch Lux!
I was hoping to get an everglades version one day. guess any hope i had of that is gone now that more people will want one :(
I’m fairly sure the stabilizer bar disconnects are exclusive to First Editions and Badlands trims, regardless if the Sasquatch package is selected; can anyone confirm?
Tommy grew up and continues to look and sounds confident and magnificent and brilliant love you bud as always Amazing job Awesome hairstyle and outfit. Your talent is outstanding
Awesome recap and analysis of the Everglades.. GO BRONCO!
You want big engine… I’m the 2.3 turbo is fine. Thing moves pretty damn good. And if you want more power just get performance tune for extra 30hp. If you really want more hp than that just get a race car lol. This is a off road vehicle 2.3l is has awesome and really peppy
What kind of gas mileage does the 4 cylinder get compared with the V-6?
I wish you could get the 3.0L engine in the bronco without the raptor package! The 2.7L is just underpowered for a built bronco. I have the 2.7L in my F150 and it gets a passing grade when not towing, but honestly it doesn't have enough to put a grin on your face. Maybe I am just too used to driving electric cars like the Model Y that have dual motors and insane torque off the line?
Great review. Thanks!
Kinda strange they didn't include synthetic rope on the winch.
because they didn't want it to be actually as capable as a $500 harbor freight winch.
Looks synthetic, and even Tommy mentioned as much..
Thanks, this is exactly what I was wondering-was the 4 strong enough.
wish you would have covered a bit more of the specs on water fording the swamp rat vs std bronco water fording. Why is a defeatured, yet costly, model really worth the cost? How much weight difference is there really? You mentioned things, but failed to 'sell' me that it is really desirable, because you did not drill into the details more.
Can the Everglades even be ordered if you don’t have an order already?
Trying to keep it under $50k. Debating between Black Diamond and Outer Banks model. Which one is the better value? If I’m only going to off road occasionally, is the Sasquatch package worth it?
I think either one of those trims with the SASQ package will set you back close to $60k
My outer banks SASQ was $58k before tax….more than I wanted to spend but definitely happy with it..
@@markcole6475 ended up with a black diamond non Sas for $48k with mid package. I couldn’t find any SASQ packages in my area below $60k. There were enon in base, BB or BD. I did want the MGV instead of leather or cloth along with a hard top so it worked out. Wish I could have found a black diamond SAS
They could also have just added bigger springs of accommodate the additional weight
That likely would have required a different damper as well. Seems like they wanted to keep things simple with this package arrangement.
The reason I went for a black diamond 2.3L sasquatch are those exact points you brought up. If only this had been available during the first releases. Hopefully Ford will offer some kind of snorkel kit in the future for us to buy.
I would go with the Black Diamond also. I wish they had better oem rim options. For the money it's a great value if you don't need the extreme off road capabilities. These kind of 'trucks' have incredible resale.
I also have a 2021 Black Diamond 2.3 L 2 Door sasquatch. Extremely happy with it
Everglades looks like a better package. No Sasquatch in Glades only Skunk Apes and never gets cold enough to warrant heated wheel/seats. Otherwise, it was a good commercial for Ford. FYI--I remember mud boggin in the 80s with my buddy in his 2 door 4 banger Yota! 4 cylinders are plenty of engine for most people.
Sorry Tommy not spending that kind of money. Also, I think the Everglades should have a 3.5l tt v6 with the 10 speed.
So if the winch takes up the 100 pounds from the 2.7, why can’t you equip any 2.7 with a roof rack?
I just worry about the longevity of all these little 4 bangers with turbos and high compression ratios. This thing is over 2 horsepower per cubic inch, which is really pushing it. You have to really rev them out to get into the power band. Personally, I don’t like vehicles with poor low end power. As they say, “There’s no replacement for displacement.”
Great video Tommy! I love the effort and thought that went into changing the everglades model. What are your opinions on a Base Sasquatch... from a pure value perspective, the base sasquatch that can be upgraded over time. A 4 door Basesquatch with hard top and wiring kit runs around 45K based on engines and accessories / the Everglades runs around 56K but that includes upgrades like a wash out floor / vinyl seats / mid package / etc {Not a bad deal at all if you plan to keep it stock}. I could have a lot of fun upgrading a bronco with the $11,000 saved. But I'm curious, If you had 56K to spend on a bronco, would you go for the everglades or upgrade/customize a base?
Nice work Alex! Very TFL
I couldn't agree more. It is too bad that Ford brought it back for 2023 model year because as a one year limited trim, it would have been more rare than the first edition as well as the heritage limited trims.
Did I hear you say the wild track has a sway bar disconnect
cant get a sway bar disconnect on a wildtrak
$56000.00 is insane for what is a basic model with a winch that you can buy for 1200, a pretty ugly plastic tube and a few longer hoses. It would have helped to have the cameras and front sway bar disconnect. Also with the dealer mark ups going on you probably won't find one any where near that price.
Funny how so many people say the 2.3L engine is plenty powerful enough in the Bronco but put that same engine in a much lighter Mustang and everyone says it sucks.
That's because in a Mustang, everyone is comparing it to a V8. Mustangs are also supposed to be fast. Broncos are not.
Daily driver with a snorkel? Probably not. But I’ll be looking at a Black Diamond or Badlands if the pricing ever gets reasonable.
Want to talk about recalls? Airbag sensors malfunctioning. Rearview cameras displaying false/lagging images. windshields loose/leaking. Child safety locks opening in locked position. Then there's the massive markups over MSRP...... if you can even get one. Hardly "the best".
May handle better than a wrangler but i heard they're still breaking tye rods and front axles.
Where I live in Minerva ohio the one ford dealer ship has $15000 to $31000 mark ups on their broncos
I actually wanted the 2.3 manual base 2 door. If I were to opt for an upper trim it would be the everglades.
I waited a year and a half for a black diamond Sasquatch before I got frustrated and quit waiting. They’re still scarce unless you want to pay over sticker and after seeing plenty of Bronco videos I think it’s safe to say a Bronco is only barely worth the sticker price and no more.
my dad just got this today and i'm watching videos for him.
Would this be the upper hand competitor to the Willys?
From what I see in Pricing… you get a lOttle more 🤔🤷🏻♂️
My friends King Ranch F-450 was $92k and has vinyl flooring.
Didn’t you guys sell your Bronco at TFL bids?
Im sorry but the map on the fender of the everglades looks like a replacement fender at first glance. It doesn't jive with the body lines art.
You had me wanting one up until you said it doesn't come in two doors I've always wanted to know can you get a base model with the Sasquatch back he's all I wants the off-road goodies not sit don't need a heated steering wheel don't need electric don't heated seats either
Not to mention, the 2.3l is less desirable to most people, which is why Ford made it the only engine available in the NA Ranger. Even though we'd prefer more choice in the engine line up.
IDK I got my Badlands specifically for the vinyl floors and paid significantly more than $55k for it.
What you say makes tons of sense. But skipping the V6 and sway bar disconnect....
The fact it's designed for 'overlanding' yet the cab is still too small to sleep in is ridiculous at this point. Why not make the front seats somehow fold down to accommodate a mattress?
It's a great trim, but for me, I would have to say the Badlands. I benefit more from the bash plates and sliders. You right don't care for the leather or authentic seats.