Please Brother May, do not go inactive if the Church decides you are wrong, or any more prominent members come against you. Your theory of what happened in the BOM (where it happened rather) is awesome and very plausible. Someday we’ll all know, I’m just glad that the BOM was translated for us all to have either way. Thank you!
@@BenMcrea61 I have heard. I’m still curious about the mountains of the gadianton robbers, volcanoes like the one in 3 Nephi 8-11, gold and silver and other ores, narrow neck and river stuff that can’t be found in the Wayne May theory. I lived in meso-America during my mission, I thought I was going to lamanite land, but I can’t say that anymore because of how the BoM described things. I still think the hopewell theory is the most likely.
@@dcarts5616 I don't think they were volcanoes per say rather it says they became mountains. We have several geological sites near were i live were this happened. One called hog's back that was pushed up from underearth activities that's ~6k feet tall in the San Juan mountains.
Wow Wayne. I am overwhelmed with excitement by what you have shared. When you do find artifacts like the stone carving of Jesus with the wound in his wrist--do you have a safe place to keep these things. I am afraid that some people don't want to hear your truth and would seek to destroy the things that you have found. I wish I had money to support your cause. God bless you Wayne.
Why aren't these things well known? Why does it seem that Wayne May is the only one trying to investigate North America. What kind of politics are people playing when they think that mesoamerica is where the Book of Mormon took place. Every time the heartland subject comes up people completely harden their hearts. Everything Joseph Smith ever said points to North America as the Nephite land.
I think it’s because there is no evidence in the Americas but the pyramids and “baptismal fonts” in Central America was so promising when they were first discovered. Physical evidence even after being disproven is easier to hold on to than no evidence at all.
This is true in lots of fields of academia where there are a lot of conflicts of interests between the researchers and the funding like nutrition science, economics, and aparently archaeology.
Wayne, this is so exciting! I learned about the cave in Illinois way back in 2000 - 2003 and have wanted to know what was going on with it ever since. Your presentation would be much more enjoyable if your sentences didn't keep getting cut off!
Just moved from LIberty Missouri to Salt Lake City, Mo. Spent 10 years there. I know where that place, he was talking about. Possible Zelph grave. Been to the monument many times. Only lived about 10 minutes from it. Ten minutes to the KC Temple. That's neat, what his plans are. Used to hangout the mounment. My mother's wife was in the Hauns mill area, During the Massacre era.
There's a great book by an LDS author that shows that there's perfect harmony between the prophetic statements concerning the garden of Eden being in Missouri and the Old Testament account concerning the garden of Eden. It's called Canaan, Babylon, and Egypt A Comparative Theological Analysis on Creation sold by Eborn Books.
Absolutely phenomenal. Until this, the Burrows Cave had always been somewhat of a dubious idea, because of all the controversy. The place is real, and the artifacts deserve serious scrutiny and scientific study, not the offhand denial and spurning by the schoolmen.
Digging in Israel to get back to the time of Christ you would need to dig down 70 feet. The same might be so for the Temple of Zarahemla. At what level have been dig?
But there is a revelation to Joseph Smith in 1836 March Kirtland. BYU Studies spring 1972 vol 12 no. 3 pp. 312-314....”landed on the continent of South America’s in Chile thirty degree South Latitude.”
@@jclefgren-Heartland I personally prefer the Heartland model. Makes the most sense. We just have to somehow deal w this. I haven’t heard Frederick Williams associated w this. Is in the Bernhisel manuscript. And Orson Pratt said same. JD, vol 14, ph 325)
@@jeffjacobs549 pls share verse. Thx. And we could have Mulek landing in Great Lakes and Lehi on west and migrating. I really like Sister Phyllis Olives model for up state NY. It is very compelling. Just found her YT channel a few months ago
Remember, all this and everything Mormon, the BOM and all that churche's scriptures,(excluding the Bible), are based on the testimony claims writings teachings and revelations of one man, and one man alone, Joseph Smith. Mormonism's Faith and trust in one man is foundational and breathtaking, and that man is not the Lord Jesus, as much as they deny it. In every sense of the word and in reality it is the church of Joseph Smith. This church,(officially a corporation) stands or falls on who Joseph Smith was, Biblical Christianity stands or falls on who Jesus Christ was/ is. As for me and my household, we will serve the Lord. Kind regards to all especially Mormons.
It seems like you misunderstand our beliefs, which is okay, you can believe whatever you want, but it makes me sad you aren't willing to consider otherwise. Just know we believe in and teach about salvation through and only through Jesus Christ alone, Joseph was just a prophet. But, as I said, believe what you want, have a good day.
the reason asian dna because of them mixing with the Navtine Americas ask Scot he the the one who fined this and the artfic you sold him is Phoenician who brought the mulkites to ohio
Better check Texas because there are mounds here in north texas but the one hill i belive is corret just think both north and south America are corret Nehpi in Panama mulkite in Ohio Fort david with the bodys and plates and the ark of the covnet Texas being the place Christ formed the church in third Nephi because of the story of Robert edge who was said to be one of the three putting the peace's together of them being driven north lil by lil over time sucken city's between yuktan and Cuba the golden Table on records of sunken ship's off the coast of Cuba the ArK found in Panama all book Of Mormon stuff Beit Lehi in Isreal home of Lehi
Civilizations larger, more populous, more advanced, and longer-lived than the Roman Empire would have left literal mountains of evidence. At some point you should face facts.
Wayne, the egyptian and jesus stones, look totally fake to me, sorry, they just look too modern, I'm sorry, these are too clear, are they carbon dated? So was the person that got these, LDS....or not? And who exactly is the person who found these, he seems like he disappeared. I don't know what to think.
@@apu6216 Certainly. I love to tell the story of when I was in college in 1986 and the door bell rang. Two of the nicest LDS Elder Missionaries came into the humble house I was renting with two other military veterans and shared the Book of Mormon with me. I listened to everything they said and shared with them that I was a Christian of no denomination and had spent many years studying the Bible and serving God through Jesus Christ. They asked me to read the Book of Mormon "Prayerfully" and ask god whether it was true or not. They further stated that it was "the most correct book on earth." I had not heard anything about the Mormons before this encounter except for maybe that they (mormons) do not drink coffee and their poygamist past. It was very curious to me that they came to my door with a mission and desire for me to learn what they confessed to me as “the one true church." I did what they asked because, after all, this may have been a Holy appointment where God was telling me there is more than the Bible for you to study, live by, and share with others. I read the BoM all week, prayed, fasted, asked of the Lord whether it was true or not, and I was, in fact, moved to an illuminated answer by the power of the Holy Spirit. The Elders returned two weeks later and I asked them in. Their first question was did I read the BoM as we discussed. I told them I read the BoM "prayerfully" as instructed and received an answer from the Holy Spirit that this was NOT the word of God but rather a shabby concoction of 19th century mock-bible stories, written by a fraud or set of frauds. The huge amount of anachronistic issues was profound, along with the lack of Spiritual inspiration. I knew in my heart, and the Holy Spirit testified that this was NOT the Word of the God I serve. As I shared this with the Elders, they said this never happened before and that the BoM possesses certain qualities where you will be told it is true if you read it and feel a "warmth in your bosom.” They once again, insisted that the BoM was the most correct book ever to have come fourth. I felt only the Holy Spirit sounding a warning that this blasphemy of the Mormon religion was a cult where the practitioners are kept in toil and works as a way to keep them off balance and bleed them of time, talent and treasure. I saw through the false stories and lack of geographic locations and archeological evidences. It further gave me a burden that these nice young men, my age and my likened sense of humor, were captives in this web of Satanic deception. They were victims of a “feeling” they had and not of devine inspiration. After I retired from military service after 38 years, I decided to make my life's goal as a Christian, to expose LDS by the very historic documents written by LDS. I have read and nearly memorized the Pearl of Great Price, Doctrines and Covenants, and the History of the Church Volumes. The pereoticles published by LDS are also near and dear to me since they provide the sourses of the lies, deceptions and hoaxes perpetrated by LDS over the years they have existed. I love it when I’m accused of being Anti-Mormon when I show mormons their own history. It begins a good conversation. My church today is full of x-mormons with a testimony of their life under the deception of LDS. How about you, have you examined the evidence of the Bible compared to the evidence of the BoM? Have you asked of God to let the scales fall off your eyes? Seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you. Come to me, all of you who are weary and carry heavy burdens, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you. Let me teach you, because I am humble and gentle at heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy to bear, and the burden I give you is light. MATTHEW 11:28-30. So my "credentials" are the discerning Holy Spirit of God and the love of Jesus Christ. When one knows of the dangers of a con man or child molester, they seek to keep people warned and away. Thank you for asking that good question.
@@nerdnul solid answer brother. I'll certainly give you that. I just don't know how to reconcile the fact that my experience has been entirely different. Your convictions, they sound as strong as mine but on the flip side. So, one of us is right, one is wrong. I'm ok with you believing you're correct, if you are ok with me and other LDS believing what we believe.
@@apu6216 Thanks for your kind answer, and yes, reasonable people can disagree. I feel a danger with how the LDS faith lacks even the most basic of supporting facts; I wanted to believe, but the Spirit was clear. My desire to sound a warring is based on loving LDS people. Thanks again for your kind response.
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Please Brother May, do not go inactive if the Church decides you are wrong, or any more prominent members come against you. Your theory of what happened in the BOM (where it happened rather) is awesome and very plausible. Someday we’ll all know, I’m just glad that the BOM was translated for us all to have either way. Thank you!
Joseph Smith and other Prophets have already said that he’s correct - it’s BYU scholars who are in opposition.
@@BenMcrea61 I have heard. I’m still curious about the mountains of the gadianton robbers, volcanoes like the one in 3 Nephi 8-11, gold and silver and other ores, narrow neck and river stuff that can’t be found in the Wayne May theory. I lived in meso-America during my mission, I thought I was going to lamanite land, but I can’t say that anymore because of how the BoM described things. I still think the hopewell theory is the most likely.
@@dcarts5616 I don't think they were volcanoes per say rather it says they became mountains. We have several geological sites near were i live were this happened. One called hog's back that was pushed up from underearth activities that's ~6k feet tall in the San Juan mountains.
Wow Wayne. I am overwhelmed with excitement by what you have shared. When you do find artifacts like the stone carving of Jesus with the wound in his wrist--do you have a safe place to keep these things. I am afraid that some people don't want to hear your truth and would seek to destroy the things that you have found. I wish I had money to support your cause. God bless you Wayne.
THANK YOU for your amazing report! I hope you know how much you are appreciated for the work that you do. God bless you, Wayne.
Why aren't these things well known? Why does it seem that Wayne May is the only one trying to investigate North America. What kind of politics are people playing when they think that mesoamerica is where the Book of Mormon took place. Every time the heartland subject comes up people completely harden their hearts. Everything Joseph Smith ever said points to North America as the Nephite land.
My thoughts exactly! Pride and fear unfortunately is usually the case. Fear of what...no idea 🤷♀️
Agreed. This makes so much more sense than trying to believe in a multiple Hill Cumorah belief.
I think it’s because there is no evidence in the Americas but the pyramids and “baptismal fonts” in Central America was so promising when they were first discovered. Physical evidence even after being disproven is easier to hold on to than no evidence at all.
@@Sayheybrother8 Wayne presents plenty of evidence.. it's just ignored by academia.
This is true in lots of fields of academia where there are a lot of conflicts of interests between the researchers and the funding like nutrition science, economics, and aparently archaeology.
You guys are awesome!! God's speed! Particularly impressed this is a combined effort with others. Im grateful for that
Thank you for posting this Brother Lefgren.
This is an amazing presentation! Thank you so much for sharing this information.
Wayne, this is so exciting! I learned about the cave in Illinois way back in 2000 - 2003 and have wanted to know what was going on with it ever since.
Your presentation would be much more enjoyable if your sentences didn't keep getting cut off!
Just moved from LIberty Missouri to Salt Lake City, Mo. Spent 10 years there. I know where that place, he was talking about. Possible Zelph grave. Been to the monument many times. Only lived about 10 minutes from it. Ten minutes to the KC Temple. That's neat, what his plans are. Used to hangout the mounment. My mother's wife was in the Hauns mill area, During the Massacre era.
Did I read that right, "my mother's wife"??
Where is this location at?
is there a video of the report on this trip? headed to Nauvoo next week.
Great to find this, thank you!
Raised in Rockford, Illinois, I knew as a little boy there were thousands of human bones buried around the Rock River.
Thanks again for your work, it's fabulous!
I know I'm late to the party but is there any update on locating Zelphs bones or further digs on the chambers?
There's a great book by an LDS author that shows that there's perfect harmony between the prophetic statements concerning the garden of Eden being in Missouri and the Old Testament account concerning the garden of Eden. It's called Canaan, Babylon, and Egypt A Comparative Theological Analysis on Creation sold by Eborn Books.
Do you happen to have contact info for Wayne May?
Absolutely phenomenal. Until this, the Burrows Cave had always been somewhat of a dubious idea, because of all the controversy. The place is real, and the artifacts deserve serious scrutiny and scientific study, not the offhand denial and spurning by the schoolmen.
Wayne, I am from Iowa. I wanted to know if you have been to My Pisgah? You should talk to the farmer there. He found Joseph's church 2 yr ago.
Just a follow up, did the trip to look for Zelph’s bones happen?
Any updates on the tunnel exploration?
So glad to of found your podcasts
I love the video, but why does it keep skipping?
At 15:08, the correct name of the book is "The Mound Builders" by J. P. MacLean. It was published in 1879.
Look at page 222 for the drawing of the 225 X 125 X 7 platform pyramid mound. I can't post the hyperlink.
So interesting Thank you Bro. Mays
Digging in Israel to get back to the time of Christ you would need to dig down 70 feet. The same might be so for the Temple of Zarahemla. At what level have been dig?
Well done Wayne!
Great information, I wish the audio didn't cut out as much as it did though. I feel like I missed some from that.
That silver piece is a shield!
keep up the good work wayne solid foundationl
Any new updates?!?
Why not a PICTURE of the elephant platform pipes?
The elephant pipes are proven hoax artifacts
Wow you guys found king Noah`s repository, the Lord said evidence would come forth from the ground.
Where did he say that?
Great news! I always knew that Burrows Cave was too big to fake.
When you change slides your speaking is cut off.
Ditto that comment. Why is he being cut off?
I found a site in lower central michigan
Fantastic!
Truth. Ahhhhh.
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But there is a revelation to Joseph Smith in 1836 March Kirtland. BYU Studies spring 1972 vol 12 no. 3 pp. 312-314....”landed on the continent of South America’s in Chile thirty degree South Latitude.”
I understand that the source of this theory for the landing of Lehi's family originated with Frederick G. Williams and not Joseph Smith.
@@jclefgren-Heartland I personally prefer the Heartland model. Makes the most sense. We just have to somehow deal w this. I haven’t heard Frederick Williams associated w this. Is in the Bernhisel manuscript. And Orson Pratt said same. JD, vol 14, ph 325)
BM itself says they landed on west coast.
@@jeffjacobs549 pls share verse. Thx. And we could have Mulek landing in Great Lakes and Lehi on west and migrating. I really like Sister Phyllis Olives model for up state NY. It is very compelling. Just found her YT channel a few months ago
Remember, all this and everything Mormon, the BOM and all that churche's scriptures,(excluding the Bible), are based on the testimony claims writings teachings and revelations of one man, and one man alone, Joseph Smith.
Mormonism's Faith and trust in one man is foundational and breathtaking, and that man is not the Lord Jesus, as much as they deny it.
In every sense of the word and in reality it is the church of Joseph Smith.
This church,(officially a corporation) stands or falls on who Joseph Smith was, Biblical Christianity stands or falls on who Jesus Christ was/ is.
As for me and my household, we will serve the Lord.
Kind regards to all especially Mormons.
It seems like you misunderstand our beliefs, which is okay, you can believe whatever you want, but it makes me sad you aren't willing to consider otherwise. Just know we believe in and teach about salvation through and only through Jesus Christ alone, Joseph was just a prophet. But, as I said, believe what you want, have a good day.
the reason asian dna because of them mixing with the Navtine Americas ask Scot he the the one who fined this and the artfic you sold him is Phoenician who brought the mulkites to ohio
Better check Texas because there are mounds here in north texas but the one hill i belive is corret just think both north and south America are corret Nehpi in Panama mulkite in Ohio Fort david with the bodys and plates and the ark of the covnet Texas being the place Christ formed the church in third Nephi because of the story of Robert edge who was said to be one of the three putting the peace's together of them being driven north lil by lil over time sucken city's between yuktan and Cuba the golden Table on records of sunken ship's off the coast of Cuba the ArK found in Panama all book Of Mormon stuff Beit Lehi in Isreal home of Lehi
Civilizations larger, more populous, more advanced, and longer-lived than the Roman Empire would have left literal mountains of evidence. At some point you should face facts.
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Wayne, the egyptian and jesus stones, look totally fake to me, sorry, they just look too modern, I'm sorry, these are too clear, are they carbon dated? So was the person that got these, LDS....or not? And who exactly is the person who found these, he seems like he disappeared. I don't know what to think.
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Why is the audio so jerky??? Surely the team is better than this editing?
It is most likely YT. It happens all the time with certain video's. Drive me NUTS
Fraud.
@Awesome Kids Videos What does this clown have to do with the Smithsonian?
Let's see your credentials then...
@@apu6216 Certainly. I love to tell the story of when I was in college in 1986 and the door bell rang. Two of the nicest LDS Elder Missionaries came into the humble house I was renting with two other military veterans and shared the Book of Mormon with me. I listened to everything they said and shared with them that I was a Christian of no denomination and had spent many years studying the Bible and serving God through Jesus Christ. They asked me to read the Book of Mormon "Prayerfully" and ask god whether it was true or not. They further stated that it was "the most correct book on earth."
I had not heard anything about the Mormons before this encounter except for maybe that they (mormons) do not drink coffee and their poygamist past. It was very curious to me that they came to my door with a mission and desire for me to learn what they confessed to me as “the one true church." I did what they asked because, after all, this may have been a Holy appointment where God was telling me there is more than the Bible for you to study, live by, and share with others. I read the BoM all week, prayed, fasted, asked of the Lord whether it was true or not, and I was, in fact, moved to an illuminated answer by the power of the Holy Spirit. The Elders returned two weeks later and I asked them in. Their first question was did I read the BoM as we discussed. I told them I read the BoM "prayerfully" as instructed and received an answer from the Holy Spirit that this was NOT the word of God but rather a shabby concoction of 19th century mock-bible stories, written by a fraud or set of frauds. The huge amount of anachronistic issues was profound, along with the lack of Spiritual inspiration. I knew in my heart, and the Holy Spirit testified that this was NOT the Word of the God I serve. As I shared this with the Elders, they said this never happened before and that the BoM possesses certain qualities where you will be told it is true if you read it and feel a "warmth in your bosom.” They once again, insisted that the BoM was the most correct book ever to have come fourth. I felt only the Holy Spirit sounding a warning that this blasphemy of the Mormon religion was a cult where the practitioners are kept in toil and works as a way to keep them off balance and bleed them of time, talent and treasure. I saw through the false stories and lack of geographic locations and archeological evidences. It further gave me a burden that these nice young men, my age and my likened sense of humor, were captives in this web of Satanic deception. They were victims of a “feeling” they had and not of devine inspiration.
After I retired from military service after 38 years, I decided to make my life's goal as a Christian, to expose LDS by the very historic documents written by LDS. I have read and nearly memorized the Pearl of Great Price, Doctrines and Covenants, and the History of the Church Volumes. The pereoticles published by LDS are also near and dear to me since they provide the sourses of the lies, deceptions and hoaxes perpetrated by LDS over the years they have existed. I love it when I’m accused of being Anti-Mormon when I show mormons their own history. It begins a good conversation.
My church today is full of x-mormons with a testimony of their life under the deception of LDS. How about you, have you examined the evidence of the Bible compared to the evidence of the BoM? Have you asked of God to let the scales fall off your eyes? Seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you. Come to me, all of you who are weary and carry heavy burdens, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you. Let me teach you, because I am humble and gentle at heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy to bear, and the burden I give you is light.
MATTHEW 11:28-30. So my "credentials" are the discerning Holy Spirit of God and the love of Jesus Christ. When one knows of the dangers of a con man or child molester, they seek to keep people warned and away. Thank you for asking that good question.
@@nerdnul solid answer brother. I'll certainly give you that. I just don't know how to reconcile the fact that my experience has been entirely different. Your convictions, they sound as strong as mine but on the flip side. So, one of us is right, one is wrong. I'm ok with you believing you're correct, if you are ok with me and other LDS believing what we believe.
@@apu6216 Thanks for your kind answer, and yes, reasonable people can disagree. I feel a danger with how the LDS faith lacks even the most basic of supporting facts; I wanted to believe, but the Spirit was clear. My desire to sound a warring is based on loving LDS people. Thanks again for your kind response.