The threat to Elizabeth of Catherine Grey was that conspirators would try to depose her… rather than waiting to allow her to reign peacefully for the rest of her life…
Yes that’s not what you’re getting. The threat was to dispose Queen Elizabeth I and to replace her with Katherine Grey. While Elizabeth was still alive. In 1560. Elizabeth was only 26 or 27 years old in 1560.
The threat to Elizabeth from Katherine Grey was being deposed while she was on the throne by Katherine's supporters who thought of Elizabeth as illegitimate.
09:19 yes Katherine would follow Elizabeth, but only after Elizabeth died, and she wanted to die of old age not by the hand of someone who wanted to put Katherine on the throne early, at least that is the paranoid reason for the imprisonment even though it is unlikely to ever have happened.
Yes, the monarchy and titles can be confusing. Generally, the numbers of the King/Queen are in numerical order, eg James I of England was followed by his son Charles I, who was then (after the restoration of monarchy after the Civil War) followed by his eldest son Charles II, who was then followed by his brother James II. I think you may be getting confused with when monarchs rule over 2 separate countries. As explained in the video, James I of England was also James VI in Scotland. Similarly Charles V of the Holy Roman Empire was known as Charles I of Spain. Regarding Elizabeth I, she imprisoned Katherine Grey, even though she was supposed to be the heir, because her supporters may have tried to make her queen sooner than anticipated. Elizabeth didn't want to be deposed, or lose her head before her time. Elizabeth was the protestant monarch, it was Mary who was the Catholic queen, and wanted to reverse her father's split from the church and bring Catholicism back to England. She burned protestants at the stake, hence the nickname Bloody Mary. She even had Elizabeth imprisoned, such was the paranoia the English rulers at that time had about being deposed (and they weren't wrong), Mary imprisoned her own sister. Their grandfather, Henry VII, the first Tudor king, gained his throne mainly through right of conquest, as his claim to the throne was really weak. Which is why Henry VIII was so desperate to have sons, to solidify his family's claim to the throne. Also, Henry VII and VIII, and many kings before them, usually killed any rivals to the throne. Add to that the schism between Catholics and Protestants at the time, you can see why any threats to your rule had to get dealt with.
They had to imprison anybody who was seen as a threat to their continued reign. This is because if they didn’t, that person could be used as a rallying figure for armed rebellions. As was the case with both Edward Plantagenet, Earl of Warwick and Perkin Warbeck, who claimed to be Richard, Duke of York (the younger of the two famous “Princes in the Tower”). A good television show that depicts this time in English History is the BBC/Starz show the White Princess. Which is the story of Henry VII and his wife Elizabeth of York, who was known as the White Princess because she was the senior Heiress to the House of York after her her father Edward IV and her two brothers Edward V and Richard, Duke of York died. She actually had a better claim to the throne than her husband Henry VII did (because her father was King Edward IV), and it was the main reason why Henry married her: to strengthen his claim to the English throne because a man became the legal owner of his wife’s lands and titles upon marriage (jure uxoris).
Mary I (Bloody Mary) was the Catholic. Elizabeth was Protestant and wanted a Protestant heir. Katherine Grey seemed ideal, but her marrying Seymour was a direct threat. Elizabeth feared that she would lose the throne to Katherine immediately in a coup. That's what you were confused about. Elizabeth didn't think they would wait for her to die before making their move. Thus Katherine was locked up. Many years later, when Elizabeth was dying, she still hadn't named an heir. Courtiers claimed that she made a sign that James of Scotland should succeed her, but this is disputed. Cecil, her chief minister, had already been secretly negotiating with James to take over and ensured that James heard about the Queen's death as soon as possible so that he could claim the English throne. James was Protestant, so was accepted by the English. Later, James' Stuart dynasty gradually drifted towards Catholicism, which eventually led to their downfall. Slavery was abolished in Britain in 1807, but retained in its colonies until 1833. The slave owners had to be compensated to get the legislation through Parliament, which accounted for 40% of Britain's GDP. The debt was not fully paid off until 2014, so my taxes and those of most British people alive today helped to do this.
The title Lady is usually the feminine of Lord but the custom is that the wife of a Lord styles herself with his hereditary title in the same way that a married woman takes her husband's surname; it can be confusing when the woman is married to a younger son of Duke or Marquis e.g. Lord Richard`s wife will be call Lady Richard unless she has her own title that is equal or greater than her husbands, similarly The Queen`s cousin Prince Michael of Kent`s wife is of lower rank to him ( born Baroness Marie Christine von Reibnitz) and styles herself as Princess Michael of Kent. However, it gets complicated if you are a daughter of a Duke, Marquis or Earl then you are a 'lady' in your own right and are usually addressed by your Christian name rather than your father's title e.g. Lady Diana had a title in her own right before she became [The] Princess of Wales before she was reduced to being Diana, Princess of Wales, like her sons who were themselves William and Henry (Harry is a nick name) Princes of Wales long before they became Royal Dukes. The daughters of Lords (the lowest rank excepting a Baronette) are called the 'Honourable' followed by their Christian names; even the boys are usually called [the] Honourable unless of course they use a courtesy, reserve, title of their father that he doesn`t use ordinarily, that is of a lower rank like a baronetcy, or is in the Scottish or Irish Peerage which is considered subordinated to the English (and Welsh) Peerage. What further confuses matters are Life Peers (who are only ennobled for their lifetime and cannot pass their titles on to their heirs) who are women and they are interchangeably called Baroness or Lady followed by their chosen title - you can decide the style you wish to be known, when elevated to the House of Lords, and it's usually their home town or city but not always. Lastly, if you are the spouse of a Knight of the Realm then you`re Lady but use your husband's surname e.g. Sir Humphrey Appleby's wife was known as Lady Appleby - in Yes, Prime Minister - because she shared his elevation but not his title because there are no female knights (even women inducted in to the Order of the Garter, the highest order of chivalry in the UK, are called Lady Companions of the Order of the Garter) and thus no feminine version hence 'lady' is used instead. Conversely, women who are made Dames, the equivalent rank of a Knight, do not convey the same elevation to their spouses; the actress Emma Thompson (Nanny McPhee, among other excellent roles she has played) has said that her husband, the actor Greg Wise, bemoaned that that he didn`t become a `Lord` like wives of Knights become Ladies. Hope this explains it and I am sorry if the post was confusing the first time you read it because I used a different device to write it and it kept losing saving the message before I had finished checking it.
2:15 The reason for this is often that the dynasty obtains a higher or different title. For example, the last Holy Roman Emperor was "Francis II." He was also the first Emperor of Austria (simultaniously for two years) as "Francis I." The counting just starts from 1 again, because Francis was the second HRE named Francis, but the first austrian emperor named Francis. Another example is Frederick "the Belligerent" (1370-1428) from the House of Wettin. He was the fourth Margrave of Meissen with this name, so he was "Margrave Frederick IV. of Meissen". When the Emperor granted him the title of Duke and Prince Elector of Saxony, he became "Prince Elector Frederick I. of Saxony".
Indeed. In the Netherlands we had 5 stadholders who were called William. But when we became a kingdom in 1815 the first king was named William I despite the fact that his father was stadholder William V.
Edward VI died from TB. He was always sickly. One theory is that Henry VIII had syphilis and passed this on to his son. Hence Henry VIII was increasingly irascible as he got older, as he was quite even tempered when a youth. Some say that irritability was because of an infected leg wound from when he was jousting.
Completely unrelated to the heir of succession but the man depicted in the painting of Lady Jane Grey at her execution is also a Brydges, it's Sir John Brydges, Lieutenant of the Tower of London who is my 13th Grt Grandfather. Sir John also looked after Elizabeth 1 when Mary had her imprisoned in the Tower and for his kindness and care, especially as John was Catholic and Elizabeth a Protestant, she allowed 2 of his Daughters to be her Ladies in Waiting when she became Queen and also gave him the title of Baron and Sudely Castle in Gloucestershire. He was then known as 1st Baron Chandos of Sudely Castle (the name Chandos is not a title as such, it's to depict someone who thinks they're better than everyone else) so I think this was given to him to remind him and his heirs that he was given the title of Baron rather than inheriting it. Mary I was not happy about how kind he was to her sister when he allowed Elizabeth to roam around the ramparts where the people would throw flowers up to her but Mary needed all the Catholic allies she could muster and he was also the first person to spot and alert the Queen of Thomas Wyatt's the Younger rebels coming for the Tower. This rebellion came about when Mary said she was marrying Philip of Spain and rioters headed by TW were concerned that England would be ruled by a Spaniard, so Mary let John off, thankfully. Interestingly, Lady Jane Greys father was also part of this uprising. Sir John was married to Elizabeth Grey (formerly De Grey and not related to Lady Jane Grey) Elizabeth Grey was a direct descendant of William the Conqueror. Because of her French/Norman ancestry the De was eventually dropped from the surname after a few generations and just became Grey, their youngest son married a commoner and was disinherited which is where I come in, so no titles for me 🤣
About slavery. you could never really be a slave in Britain, but we did export it elsewhere. We then outlawed the slave trade in Bleighty in 1807, and went on to outlaw slavery in general in 1833. We then went around to different countries, friends and enemies, and got them to sign treaties in abolishing slavery world wide. At the same time, a court in America proclaimed that black people had right to neither freedom or the vote. Anyway, from 1808, we created the West African Squadron, putting down slavers on the open seas.
Connor, Don’t worry about not understanding at first, it does my head lol. My sister is a qualified genealogist and looks at me as if, ‘it’s so simple’ - not to me it’s not, takes a while sometimes lol. Be patient with yourself and look at it also, quietly on your own.
The plan was for Katherine to take over as Queen when Elizabeth died. The threat was that Katherine and her powerful husbands could stage a coup and remove Elizabeth from the throne.
It gets even more complicated if you put legality of marriages into the picture too. Depending on perspective, Henry VIII only had three or four wives. According to Henry and English law his marriages to Catherine of Aragon, Anne Boleyn and Anne of Cleves were annulled, meaning they were deemed to never have been legitimate marriages to begin with. As the head of the church of England, Henry declared his marriage to Catherine of Aragon illegitimate because she had been the wife of his brother. Anne Boleyn was found guilty of high treason and more (on very loose grounds) and executed two days after the marriage was annulled. The marriage to Anne of Cleves was annulled on the grounds that it was never consummated and that she was already betrothed to someone else, all according to English law. And if you are catholic, the marriage to Anne Boleyn would be illegitimate because Henry was still married to Catherine of Aragon. So for Queen Elizabeth I, any catholic perspective on the royal lineage would be dangerous. Not only was born outside marriage because of the annulling of the marriage between her parents (something that could be brushed over as politics), but according to the Vatican they were never married in the first place.
A Lady is the wife of a Lord (Duke, Marquess, Earl, Viscount) or the daughter of a Lord who has not married higher than her own rank. Sometimes Lady is used as a title for a woman with a lower level noble title like a Baroness, (Lady Thatcher - the former prime minister) In the UK the term Baron or Baroness is rarely used as a title in favor or Lord or Lady. I believe that they use it more often in Scottish nobility. To use a Downton Abbey example. Lady Edith (daughter of an earl) married the Marquess of Hexham so she got a promotion to Lady Hexham (short for the Marchioness of Hexham) instead of plain Lady Edith. Lady is also used to denote the wife of a knight. Example. Princess Alexandra, the Lady Ogilvy (her husband was a knight Sir Angus Ogilvy) Most of the time Lady is used with the first name to denote a daughter of a peer. (the late Princess of Wales) Diana's father was the Earl Spencer, so she was Lady Diana Spencer Most peerages cannot be inherited by daughters so you are either a lady or "the honourable"
They generally do follow in numerical sequence in England and later Britain, Connor. Except for: Pre-Norman conquest. For example, we don't count the Edwards. Most of these have other secondary names to differentiate though, like Edward the Elder or Confessor. Also When, in 1603, the Stuarts took the thrones of both England and Scotland, there had been six King James' in Scotland but not none in England, therefore he was James VI of Scotland but in England he was James I. Same goes for the current Queen, she is known as Elizabeth II, however there was no previous Elizabeth on the throne of Scotland as it pre-dated James, so technically she should be Elizabeth I up there. It just makes it easier to generally call her Elizabeth II. Although I'm aware that some Scots will argue this?
I always felt terribly sorry for Lady Jane Grey. She didn't want to be Queen but was persuaded by power greedy men that it was her duty. She realised that she was in peril since Henry 8th had 2 daughters both of whom would oppose her becoming Queen. Edward 6th did not want Lady Jane to be Queen for precisely this reason but she was pressurised into doing so and lost her head. She was Queen for about 9 days
Elizabeth was scared of being beheaded/killed BEFORE her reign was done...Catherine being married was a threat coz they prob wudv had children...so even tho Catherine was the next in line she was seen as a person who cud topple Elizabeth. Yes its a bit fucked up coz Elizabeth didnt have kids anyway but its a bit like Henry VIII who CUD have appointed one of his sons he had out of wedlock...one being Henry Fitzroy...son of Ann Bolyns sister lol Its all a mess and alot of links to certain families like the Seymours. Edward VII died from a fever and was said to be recovering...even waving from his palace at Greenwich...Placentia...a day or so before suddenly dying. I did read he mightve been poisoned and it cudv been a half brother or cousin who turned up to visit him (he was warned he shouldnt see him as he was a bit of a nasty peice of work) but Edward welcomed him & was soon dead! Greenwich/Placentia was a fav Palace for Henry VIII who loved to joust there & Elizabeth I was born there...there is a wharf nearby on the shores of the River Thames in Deptford (pronounced Dep ford) that Henry used but has been left to rot...it disgusts me that such history has been left gated off but rotting! Even i didnt realise it was there despite living nearby & knowing alot of history. Love ur enquiring mind 🥰🙏🇬🇧🌻
Connor, it was the original plan of Henry VIII., but Edward VI. had just demonstrated that every monarch could completely change the rules. The line of succession and the power were unstable. The fact that Catherine Grey was associating herself with the powerful Seymours was a threat to Elizabeth's rule, because they could overthrow her and declare her illegitimate, just as Edward VI. had done (influenced by his advisors) a few years earlier. If your own legitimacy is shaky, your heir (who might be seen as more legitimate) is a threat to your power. Here is a rough timeline, I hope this helps: 1. Henry VIII. divorces Catherine of Aragon and declares his daugther Mary to be illegitimate, so that his children with Anne Boleyn would be the only legitimate ones. 2. He executes Anne Boleyn (no sons!) and declares their daughter Elizabeth to be illegimate as well - next try! 3. Finally a son, Edward. 4. Change of mind, Mary and Elizabeth are suddenly legitimate again. 5. Edward VI. becomes king, and is influenced by his advisors (the influental Dudleys and Jane Grey's father) to declare his half-sisters illegitimate again, so that his next heir is Jane Grey, who is betrothed to a Dudley. So effectively, the Greys and the Dudleys are trying to take over control of the throne - Jane Grey is just a pawn. 6. Mary and her catholic supporters rise up against this power clique and defeat them; Jane Grey is executed and Mary becomes Queen. 7. Elizabeth becomes Queen and changes the country back to protestantism. 8. Her next heir is now Catherine Grey and she thinks of adopting her to prevent another confusion or power struggle after her death. However, Catherine Greys marriage to the Seymours threatens Elizabeth's power, because some people say that she is STILL illegitimate (see above), but Catherine is not. They could overthrow her, so she gets rid of them.
edward seymour wanted to be king/ queens consort he worked himself into the position of kings protector, when the henry's son edward was too young to sit on the throne, then when henrys son edward died he moved on to marry katherine grey who would have been queen but elizabeth 1st saw what he was up to and had katherine arrested and never became queen and the throne never went close to edward seymour.
I know it can be difficult with names in History, as many named their eldest sons and daughters after themselves or their own Fathers or Mothers? Case in point, prior to my Grandfather, all my paternal male line were named John or James alternately, going back to before the English Civil Wars. This is quite unusual though, as the eldest males all seem to have survived into adulthood. Unless they died during early childhood and the next male was given the same first name?
You should consider watching the series on the British constitution by the channel Brit monkey to learn more about the abolition of slavery in Britain.
Mary didn't come to the throne on the death of Lady Jane Grey, she took the throne and imprisoned Jane, she was executed for treason the following year.
Why were the Tudor's unhealthy? That big pile of chicken legs and wings thrown over Henry's shoulder and never cleaned up ;-) The other cause was tendency to end up assassinated or executed ;-(. The Tudor family was always marginally legitimate. All potential Tudor cousins were potential centers of conspiracy of coup de etat by powerful nobles, not just Mary Queen of Scots. It was a miracle any of them died naturally ... and in King James' case, his mother was executed, his father was assassinated, and Guy Fawkes tried to assassinate him and the rest of Parliament. Fawkes was trying to take vengeance for King James introducing golf to England ;-) Cost comparison ... young male adult slave = $1,000 then, but $20,000 now, so 50 slaves per million dollars! So Jefferson was a millionaire, but his family was impoverished, because his personal expenses were high (French wine etc). "Lady" = "Lord" a generic title. BTW ... in traditional English, a boy/man is called "Master", in America made commoner as "Mister".
It's a man's world. Katherine marrying Seymour is the problem. Her husband Seymour would be the powerhouse behind the crown and not technically Katherine. It's the reason Elixabeth II didn't get married herself, she didn't want to hand over power to a man who was intellectually inferior to herself. The Seymours were already powerful people. She didn't have time to mould Katherine before her marriage. In the end, the powerhouse women, Margaret her aunt (a Tudor) and subsequently her granddaughter Mary Queen of Scots another powerful woman who had a son who would become Elizabeth's heir.
it is ALL about RELIGION ie. the backlash after the English Reformation : Catholic (Papacy) v the new Protestantism, first championed in Europe by Martin Luther
Don't take this the wrong way but you really need to listen more. The plan was for Catherine Grey to take the throne but after Elizabeth died. Catherine was becoming too powerful early on only a few years into Elizabeth's reign. So Elizabeth imprisoned her. It was explained very well but sadly you didn't listen. This happens quite a lot, I'm sure you don't mean it but it's very annoying. Bless you for being confused all the time.
The plan would be for Catherine to take the throne after Elizabeth died. The threat is Catherine taking the throne FROM Elizabeth claiming herself to be a more rightful heir to the throne.
The threat to Elizabeth of Catherine Grey was that conspirators would try to depose her… rather than waiting to allow her to reign peacefully for the rest of her life…
This!
Yes that’s not what you’re getting. The threat was to dispose Queen Elizabeth I and to replace her with Katherine Grey. While Elizabeth was still alive. In 1560. Elizabeth was only 26 or 27 years old in 1560.
The threat to Elizabeth from Katherine Grey was being deposed while she was on the throne by Katherine's supporters who thought of Elizabeth as illegitimate.
Correct. That was a very common thing during Elizabeth’s reign. Most famously with the Spanish Armada
09:19 yes Katherine would follow Elizabeth, but only after Elizabeth died, and she wanted to die of old age not by the hand of someone who wanted to put Katherine on the throne early, at least that is the paranoid reason for the imprisonment even though it is unlikely to ever have happened.
Yes, the monarchy and titles can be confusing. Generally, the numbers of the King/Queen are in numerical order, eg James I of England was followed by his son Charles I, who was then (after the restoration of monarchy after the Civil War) followed by his eldest son Charles II, who was then followed by his brother James II. I think you may be getting confused with when monarchs rule over 2 separate countries. As explained in the video, James I of England was also James VI in Scotland. Similarly Charles V of the Holy Roman Empire was known as Charles I of Spain.
Regarding Elizabeth I, she imprisoned Katherine Grey, even though she was supposed to be the heir, because her supporters may have tried to make her queen sooner than anticipated. Elizabeth didn't want to be deposed, or lose her head before her time. Elizabeth was the protestant monarch, it was Mary who was the Catholic queen, and wanted to reverse her father's split from the church and bring Catholicism back to England. She burned protestants at the stake, hence the nickname Bloody Mary. She even had Elizabeth imprisoned, such was the paranoia the English rulers at that time had about being deposed (and they weren't wrong), Mary imprisoned her own sister. Their grandfather, Henry VII, the first Tudor king, gained his throne mainly through right of conquest, as his claim to the throne was really weak. Which is why Henry VIII was so desperate to have sons, to solidify his family's claim to the throne. Also, Henry VII and VIII, and many kings before them, usually killed any rivals to the throne. Add to that the schism between Catholics and Protestants at the time, you can see why any threats to your rule had to get dealt with.
They had to imprison anybody who was seen as a threat to their continued reign. This is because if they didn’t, that person could be used as a rallying figure for armed rebellions. As was the case with both Edward Plantagenet, Earl of Warwick and Perkin Warbeck, who claimed to be Richard, Duke of York (the younger of the two famous “Princes in the Tower”). A good television show that depicts this time in English History is the BBC/Starz show the White Princess. Which is the story of Henry VII and his wife Elizabeth of York, who was known as the White Princess because she was the senior Heiress to the House of York after her her father Edward IV and her two brothers Edward V and Richard, Duke of York died. She actually had a better claim to the throne than her husband Henry VII did (because her father was King Edward IV), and it was the main reason why Henry married her: to strengthen his claim to the English throne because a man became the legal owner of his wife’s lands and titles upon marriage (jure uxoris).
Mary I (Bloody Mary) was the Catholic. Elizabeth was Protestant and wanted a Protestant heir. Katherine Grey seemed ideal, but her marrying Seymour was a direct threat. Elizabeth feared that she would lose the throne to Katherine immediately in a coup. That's what you were confused about. Elizabeth didn't think they would wait for her to die before making their move. Thus Katherine was locked up. Many years later, when Elizabeth was dying, she still hadn't named an heir. Courtiers claimed that she made a sign that James of Scotland should succeed her, but this is disputed. Cecil, her chief minister, had already been secretly negotiating with James to take over and ensured that James heard about the Queen's death as soon as possible so that he could claim the English throne. James was Protestant, so was accepted by the English. Later, James' Stuart dynasty gradually drifted towards Catholicism, which eventually led to their downfall. Slavery was abolished in Britain in 1807, but retained in its colonies until 1833. The slave owners had to be compensated to get the legislation through Parliament, which accounted for 40% of Britain's GDP. The debt was not fully paid off until 2014, so my taxes and those of most British people alive today helped to do this.
The title Lady is usually the feminine of Lord but the custom is that the wife of a Lord styles herself with his hereditary title in the same way that a married woman takes her husband's surname; it can be confusing when the woman is married to a younger son of Duke or Marquis e.g. Lord Richard`s wife will be call Lady Richard unless she has her own title that is equal or greater than her husbands, similarly The Queen`s cousin Prince Michael of Kent`s wife is of lower rank to him ( born Baroness Marie Christine von Reibnitz) and styles herself as Princess Michael of Kent.
However, it gets complicated if you are a daughter of a Duke, Marquis or Earl then you are a 'lady' in your own right and are usually addressed by your Christian name rather than your father's title e.g. Lady Diana had a title in her own right before she became [The] Princess of Wales before she was reduced to being Diana, Princess of Wales, like her sons who were themselves William and Henry (Harry is a nick name) Princes of Wales long before they became Royal Dukes.
The daughters of Lords (the lowest rank excepting a Baronette) are called the 'Honourable' followed by their Christian names; even the boys are usually called [the] Honourable unless of course they use a courtesy, reserve, title of their father that he doesn`t use ordinarily, that is of a lower rank like a baronetcy, or is in the Scottish or Irish Peerage which is considered subordinated to the English (and Welsh) Peerage.
What further confuses matters are Life Peers (who are only ennobled for their lifetime and cannot pass their titles on to their heirs) who are women and they are interchangeably called Baroness or Lady followed by their chosen title - you can decide the style you wish to be known, when elevated to the House of Lords, and it's usually their home town or city but not always.
Lastly, if you are the spouse of a Knight of the Realm then you`re Lady but use your husband's surname e.g. Sir Humphrey Appleby's wife was known as Lady Appleby - in Yes, Prime Minister - because she shared his elevation but not his title because there are no female knights (even women inducted in to the Order of the Garter, the highest order of chivalry in the UK, are called Lady Companions of the Order of the Garter) and thus no feminine version hence 'lady' is used instead. Conversely, women who are made Dames, the equivalent rank of a Knight, do not convey the same elevation to their spouses; the actress Emma Thompson (Nanny McPhee, among other excellent roles she has played) has said that her husband, the actor Greg Wise, bemoaned that that he didn`t become a `Lord` like wives of Knights become Ladies.
Hope this explains it and I am sorry if the post was confusing the first time you read it because I used a different device to write it and it kept losing saving the message before I had finished checking it.
10:06 the "threat" is that Katherine would've replaced Elizabeth early. Like by some sort of rebellion.
2:15 The reason for this is often that the dynasty obtains a higher or different title. For example, the last Holy Roman Emperor was "Francis II." He was also the first Emperor of Austria (simultaniously for two years) as "Francis I." The counting just starts from 1 again, because Francis was the second HRE named Francis, but the first austrian emperor named Francis.
Another example is Frederick "the Belligerent" (1370-1428) from the House of Wettin. He was the fourth Margrave of Meissen with this name, so he was "Margrave Frederick IV. of Meissen". When the Emperor granted him the title of Duke and Prince Elector of Saxony, he became "Prince Elector Frederick I. of Saxony".
Indeed. In the Netherlands we had 5 stadholders who were called William. But when we became a kingdom in 1815 the first king was named William I despite the fact that his father was stadholder William V.
Edward VI died from TB. He was always sickly. One theory is that Henry VIII had syphilis and passed this on to his son. Hence Henry VIII was increasingly irascible as he got older, as he was quite even tempered when a youth. Some say that irritability was because of an infected leg wound from when he was jousting.
Completely unrelated to the heir of succession but the man depicted in the painting of Lady Jane Grey at her execution is also a Brydges, it's Sir John Brydges, Lieutenant of the Tower of London who is my 13th Grt Grandfather. Sir John also looked after Elizabeth 1 when Mary had her imprisoned in the Tower and for his kindness and care, especially as John was Catholic and Elizabeth a Protestant, she allowed 2 of his Daughters to be her Ladies in Waiting when she became Queen and also gave him the title of Baron and Sudely Castle in Gloucestershire. He was then known as 1st Baron Chandos of Sudely Castle (the name Chandos is not a title as such, it's to depict someone who thinks they're better than everyone else) so I think this was given to him to remind him and his heirs that he was given the title of Baron rather than inheriting it.
Mary I was not happy about how kind he was to her sister when he allowed Elizabeth to roam around the ramparts where the people would throw flowers up to her but Mary needed all the Catholic allies she could muster and he was also the first person to spot and alert the Queen of Thomas Wyatt's the Younger rebels coming for the Tower. This rebellion came about when Mary said she was marrying Philip of Spain and rioters headed by TW were concerned that England would be ruled by a Spaniard, so Mary let John off, thankfully. Interestingly, Lady Jane Greys father was also part of this uprising.
Sir John was married to Elizabeth Grey (formerly De Grey and not related to Lady Jane Grey) Elizabeth Grey was a direct descendant of William the Conqueror. Because of her French/Norman ancestry the De was eventually dropped from the surname after a few generations and just became Grey, their youngest son married a commoner and was disinherited which is where I come in, so no titles for me 🤣
McJibbin's reactions remind me of that video Faramir can't read maps. "Who's the Balrog then?"
By the way, Beauchamp is actually pronounced 'beech-um' - not 'bow-champ' as suggested here...
About slavery.
you could never really be a slave in Britain, but we did export it elsewhere. We then outlawed the slave trade in Bleighty in 1807, and went on to outlaw slavery in general in 1833. We then went around to different countries, friends and enemies, and got them to sign treaties in abolishing slavery world wide. At the same time, a court in America proclaimed that black people had right to neither freedom or the vote. Anyway, from 1808, we created the West African Squadron, putting down slavers on the open seas.
The threat to Elizabeth was that Katherine’s husband would attempt to seize the crown by killing Elizabeth and putting his wife on the throne.
Connor, Don’t worry about not understanding at first, it does my head lol. My sister is a qualified genealogist and looks at me as if, ‘it’s so simple’ - not to me it’s not, takes a while sometimes lol. Be patient with yourself and look at it also, quietly on your own.
The plan was for Katherine to take over as Queen when Elizabeth died. The threat was that Katherine and her powerful husbands could stage a coup and remove Elizabeth from the throne.
Remember Edward Seymour, first Duke of Somerset, married twice. I'm descended from the first marriage .........
Tony Robinson did a docu on this subject a while back. According to their research, the true king is in a small town in Australia.
It gets even more complicated if you put legality of marriages into the picture too. Depending on perspective, Henry VIII only had three or four wives. According to Henry and English law his marriages to Catherine of Aragon, Anne Boleyn and Anne of Cleves were annulled, meaning they were deemed to never have been legitimate marriages to begin with.
As the head of the church of England, Henry declared his marriage to Catherine of Aragon illegitimate because she had been the wife of his brother. Anne Boleyn was found guilty of high treason and more (on very loose grounds) and executed two days after the marriage was annulled. The marriage to Anne of Cleves was annulled on the grounds that it was never consummated and that she was already betrothed to someone else, all according to English law.
And if you are catholic, the marriage to Anne Boleyn would be illegitimate because Henry was still married to Catherine of Aragon.
So for Queen Elizabeth I, any catholic perspective on the royal lineage would be dangerous. Not only was born outside marriage because of the annulling of the marriage between her parents (something that could be brushed over as politics), but according to the Vatican they were never married in the first place.
I think if you check your records a little closer, you'll see King Perry I should be the next ruler of the universe.
Jane Seymour was Henry 8th favourite as she was the only one who produced a living male heir. Elizabeth 1st was protestant
A Lady is the wife of a Lord (Duke, Marquess, Earl, Viscount) or the daughter of a Lord who has not married higher than her own rank. Sometimes Lady is used as a title for a woman with a lower level noble title like a Baroness, (Lady Thatcher - the former prime minister) In the UK the term Baron or Baroness is rarely used as a title in favor or Lord or Lady. I believe that they use it more often in Scottish nobility. To use a Downton Abbey example. Lady Edith (daughter of an earl) married the Marquess of Hexham so she got a promotion to Lady Hexham (short for the Marchioness of Hexham) instead of plain Lady Edith.
Lady is also used to denote the wife of a knight. Example. Princess Alexandra, the Lady Ogilvy (her husband was a knight Sir Angus Ogilvy)
Most of the time Lady is used with the first name to denote a daughter of a peer. (the late Princess of Wales) Diana's father was the Earl Spencer, so she was Lady Diana Spencer Most peerages cannot be inherited by daughters so you are either a lady or "the honourable"
They generally do follow in numerical sequence in England and later Britain, Connor. Except for: Pre-Norman conquest. For example, we don't count the Edwards. Most of these have other secondary names to differentiate though, like Edward the Elder or Confessor. Also When, in 1603, the Stuarts took the thrones of both England and Scotland, there had been six King James' in Scotland but not none in England, therefore he was James VI of Scotland but in England he was James I. Same goes for the current Queen, she is known as Elizabeth II, however there was no previous Elizabeth on the throne of Scotland as it pre-dated James, so technically she should be Elizabeth I up there. It just makes it easier to generally call her Elizabeth II. Although I'm aware that some Scots will argue this?
Katherine married a family member, Edward Seymour. Elizabeth declared the marriage illegitimate. I think.
if you were thinking about the kaiser family of germany it's Wilhelm I, his son Frederik III, then his son Wilhelm II
Perhaps the numbering system changes when the Kingdom's territories change - James VI of Scotland then became James I
This is correct ..It’s not really that complex to understand
I always felt terribly sorry for Lady Jane Grey. She didn't want to be Queen but was persuaded by power greedy men that it was her duty. She realised that she was in peril since Henry 8th had 2 daughters both of whom would oppose her becoming Queen. Edward 6th did not want Lady Jane to be Queen for precisely this reason but she was pressurised into doing so and lost her head. She was Queen for about 9 days
Elizabeth was scared of being beheaded/killed BEFORE her reign was done...Catherine being married was a threat coz they prob wudv had children...so even tho Catherine was the next in line she was seen as a person who cud topple Elizabeth. Yes its a bit fucked up coz Elizabeth didnt have kids anyway but its a bit like Henry VIII who CUD have appointed one of his sons he had out of wedlock...one being Henry Fitzroy...son of Ann Bolyns sister lol
Its all a mess and alot of links to certain families like the Seymours.
Edward VII died from a fever and was said to be recovering...even waving from his palace at Greenwich...Placentia...a day or so before suddenly dying. I did read he mightve been poisoned and it cudv been a half brother or cousin who turned up to visit him (he was warned he shouldnt see him as he was a bit of a nasty peice of work) but Edward welcomed him & was soon dead! Greenwich/Placentia was a fav Palace for Henry VIII who loved to joust there & Elizabeth I was born there...there is a wharf nearby on the shores of the River Thames in Deptford (pronounced Dep ford) that Henry used but has been left to rot...it disgusts me that such history has been left gated off but rotting! Even i didnt realise it was there despite living nearby & knowing alot of history.
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Connor, it was the original plan of Henry VIII., but Edward VI. had just demonstrated that every monarch could completely change the rules. The line of succession and the power were unstable. The fact that Catherine Grey was associating herself with the powerful Seymours was a threat to Elizabeth's rule, because they could overthrow her and declare her illegitimate, just as Edward VI. had done (influenced by his advisors) a few years earlier. If your own legitimacy is shaky, your heir (who might be seen as more legitimate) is a threat to your power.
Here is a rough timeline, I hope this helps:
1. Henry VIII. divorces Catherine of Aragon and declares his daugther Mary to be illegitimate, so that his children with Anne Boleyn would be the only legitimate ones.
2. He executes Anne Boleyn (no sons!) and declares their daughter Elizabeth to be illegimate as well - next try!
3. Finally a son, Edward.
4. Change of mind, Mary and Elizabeth are suddenly legitimate again.
5. Edward VI. becomes king, and is influenced by his advisors (the influental Dudleys and Jane Grey's father) to declare his half-sisters illegitimate again, so that his next heir is Jane Grey, who is betrothed to a Dudley. So effectively, the Greys and the Dudleys are trying to take over control of the throne - Jane Grey is just a pawn.
6. Mary and her catholic supporters rise up against this power clique and defeat them; Jane Grey is executed and Mary becomes Queen.
7. Elizabeth becomes Queen and changes the country back to protestantism.
8. Her next heir is now Catherine Grey and she thinks of adopting her to prevent another confusion or power struggle after her death. However, Catherine Greys marriage to the Seymours threatens Elizabeth's power, because some people say that she is STILL illegitimate (see above), but Catherine is not. They could overthrow her, so she gets rid of them.
edward seymour wanted to be king/ queens consort he worked himself into the position of kings protector, when the henry's son edward was too young to sit on the throne, then when henrys son edward died he moved on to marry katherine grey who would have been queen but elizabeth 1st saw what he was up to and had katherine arrested and never became queen and the throne never went close to edward seymour.
I know it can be difficult with names in History, as many named their eldest sons and daughters after themselves or their own Fathers or Mothers? Case in point, prior to my Grandfather, all my paternal male line were named John or James alternately, going back to before the English Civil Wars. This is quite unusual though, as the eldest males all seem to have survived into adulthood. Unless they died during early childhood and the next male was given the same first name?
They do always run numerically…always lol
You should consider watching the series on the British constitution by the channel Brit monkey to learn more about the abolition of slavery in Britain.
Seymour wanted the throne and wanted to supplant Elizabeth with his young wife.
Mary didn't come to the throne on the death of Lady Jane Grey, she took the throne and imprisoned Jane, she was executed for treason the following year.
The title “Lady” is basically just the female equivalent of a “Lord”
The Tower of London was a prison.
Nice hat. :)
Why were the Tudor's unhealthy? That big pile of chicken legs and wings thrown over Henry's shoulder and never cleaned up ;-) The other cause was tendency to end up assassinated or executed ;-(. The Tudor family was always marginally legitimate. All potential Tudor cousins were potential centers of conspiracy of coup de etat by powerful nobles, not just Mary Queen of Scots. It was a miracle any of them died naturally ... and in King James' case, his mother was executed, his father was assassinated, and Guy Fawkes tried to assassinate him and the rest of Parliament. Fawkes was trying to take vengeance for King James introducing golf to England ;-) Cost comparison ... young male adult slave = $1,000 then, but $20,000 now, so 50 slaves per million dollars! So Jefferson was a millionaire, but his family was impoverished, because his personal expenses were high (French wine etc). "Lady" = "Lord" a generic title. BTW ... in traditional English, a boy/man is called "Master", in America made commoner as "Mister".
It's a man's world. Katherine marrying Seymour is the problem. Her husband Seymour would be the powerhouse behind the crown and not technically Katherine. It's the reason Elixabeth II didn't get married herself, she didn't want to hand over power to a man who was intellectually inferior to herself. The Seymours were already powerful people. She didn't have time to mould Katherine before her marriage. In the end, the powerhouse women, Margaret her aunt (a Tudor) and subsequently her granddaughter Mary Queen of Scots another powerful woman who had a son who would become Elizabeth's heir.
it is ALL about RELIGION ie. the backlash after the English Reformation : Catholic (Papacy) v the new Protestantism, first championed in Europe by Martin Luther
No mad King George…
you are watching so many videos it is becoming confusing for you.
You could be right?
Europe is confusing, even if they all spoke the same language, and they don't! Like India (22 official languages) but with fewer Hindus and Muslims.
Don't take this the wrong way but you really need to listen more. The plan was for Catherine Grey to take the throne but after Elizabeth died. Catherine was becoming too powerful early on only a few years into Elizabeth's reign. So Elizabeth imprisoned her.
It was explained very well but sadly you didn't listen. This happens quite a lot, I'm sure you don't mean it but it's very annoying. Bless you for being confused all the time.
I think Thomas jefferson owned 600+ slaves
The plan would be for Catherine to take the throne after Elizabeth died. The threat is Catherine taking the throne FROM Elizabeth claiming herself to be a more rightful heir to the throne.