What REALLY Killed The Nissan GT-R?
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
- Nissan has killed the GT-R in Europe. But why? Emissions rules? Or something else altogether more perplexing. Rory investigates the true cause of Godzilla's demise.
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If they're going to start going after tyre noise, they'll have to start looking at the rubbish road surfaces we have to put up with in this country (UK). There are stretches of motorway where my RSQ3 on 21"s is as quiet as a mouse, then the surface changes, and you struggle to hear the radio!
Yes indeed. There is a 10 mile concrete SW section of the M25 that has been there forever. (Leatherhead-Reigate pretty much)
Very hard wearing it may be, but it is ridiculously noisy. I look forward to when they resurface all that.. ;)
I had a my own tyre business for many years. Some of the tyre noise ratings were really questionable.
The Continental Tyres and the Michelin Pilot Sport Tyres were alarmingly noisy.
Both claimed low noise ratings but you have to realise that these noise ratings are Tyre Company claims.
When you next change your tyres don't go to one of the big chains.
Find a good local independent and ask for advice and then buy tyres from them.
You will not regret my advice or theirs
Man, we can gladly take your roads cuz we dont have roads where I live 😂😂😂
@@obiverse Naija
@@obiverse Ikr in these highly developed countries like UK people complain about things which are a dream to come true in Pakistan especially along villages & highways - Only motorways are good 😂
Tyre noise varies hugely dependant on the road surface, if we want quiet cars make the roads better
me living in europes small villages..with roads patched up like my old pants i wore as a kid
I hear you! I drove a new car 1500 miles home, through several states. I was starting to worry a little with the noise but as soon as I hit my own state line, smooth sailing... then I knew the roads really suck. They should do better with our tax dollars or people need to start electing those who will.
Yes but the tire matters more to outsiders. To the people inside the car the road matters more. But to people on the side the car produces sounds based on various factors. When lifted 4x4 trucks pass me with giant mud tires it makes incredibly loud noise. Falken and Toyo make some quiet tires I have been pleased with.
Absolutely spot on.
Tyre noise also depends a lot on the car. But it's not that big a deal for most people. If they're concerned about other noise such as engine noise, why not do something about the sound of trucks and buses? Ok, it's only once a fortnight but the dustbin wagons come round at 7 a.m. with the engine revving up to operate the hydraulic bin gear at the back, and they sound far worse than anything else on the roads.
Incidentally I don't see councils and government departments clamouring to convert their fleets to electric vehicles, if it's that big a deal you have to wonder why. All the council's latest vehicles are diesel.
The price is what killed the GT-R.
It was 65k on 2009 and no its over 100k.
Ridiculous
100K send me a link got a new one at 100K haha. nismo is around 250
or maybe the fact that it's nearly 14 years old. everyone who wanted an r35 probably has one by now
If they want quieter tyre noise they could try resurfacing the roads to a high standard.
I’m firmly convinced that the “fun” factor in cars has gone down over the years in large part because of regulation. Noise levels, fuel economy, safety, etc. I’m not saying it’s a bad thing environmentally speaking, but it does mean we are seeing the end of an era, and that’s sad.
Doesn’t mean we have to accept it. I’m all for environmental friendly. But turning all the Lambo and Ferraris etc full EV won’t do shit for the pollution compared to the average commuting cars.
The fun factor is gone because manufacturers are mainly focused on overcomplicating and over engeering everything at the expense of a good driver experience
@@HKFIJIHK You not accepting it doesn't do a thing. Why care about cars still being combustion engines anyway when all the new designs look crap. We still have all the amazing combustion cars from previous years to enjoy...
@@HKFIJIHK talking of cars have you ever considered those factories or you are just blind to see that, cause I think they contributed much in the pollution,the recycling etc
@@HKFIJIHK you will otherwise you'll simply struggle to drive into cities
I'm pretty sure this has nothing to do with how "loud" the car is at all, as we know the GTR isn't (from factory) a very loud car. I'd say this has more to do with CO2 levels and the cost of fines for exceeding these. The GTR is likely to raise Nissan's overall CO2 average up significantly, and seeing that it has been on the market for a long time now and a relatively low volume production car means it has to go.
Ironically, as I type this, a cyclist has just ridden past my house on a quiet road with his portable music speaker blaring...
LOL, I know those cyclists. Admittedly, I've done that too just not with a separate speaker.
yep good point, push bike dj's are worse.
I play loud music at my home. Don’t want to cycle with speakers. Lol.
Why EU rules still apply? We're no longer EU members, don't understand.
if u put masks for covid..of course they will do anything they want now...cause all they see are slaves and sheep ;)
The love we all share for cars started from our favorite sports car we SAW AND HEARD for the first time. Who remembers naming the car before ever seeing it based on the cars exhaust note as it came down your street. i guess that’s soon to be a thing of the past.
Saying that most tires generate around 70 decibels and regulations state 68 at max that mean even electric cars will struggle to pass noise tests. It is insane for me.
These rules and regulations have gotten a bit absurd at this point. The GT-R is a legend and the world has gone kookoo.
they need to regulate older cars better I agree that new car regulations going overboard
It's the same car from 2008 it never evolved. That's why.
It was at its end of its life anyway.
13 years.
Well, you know we have to get on that lithium which is harvested in sweatshop nations, shipped on super tankers, assembled into batteries primarily in Asia, then shipped back to the U.S. or Europe so people can think they are actually making a difference, virtue signal a little.
Just politicians finding easy targets to "fix" to make it looks like they're actually doing something.
The EU regulations have very effectively taken any enjoyment out of 'sporty motoring'. I am glad to say that I have experienced the good ol' days.
Out of any kind of driving, not just "sporty motoring".
As if those politicians ever drive anywhere themselves lol
The EU is run by bureaucratic old boomers who have no idea what laws they're voting on. Have you even seen the EU parliament? Authoritarian bastards. The lot of them.
Basically rules enacted by unelected officials.
Yup. I feel like out of everyone in the world, it's always the EU that ruins things, oppressive rules etc No powerful vacuum cleaners!! No loud cars!!
So codling and Authoritarian.
This is why valved exhausts exist.
They will do some trickery where the cars are near silent in "normal mode" but absolutely obnoxious if you enter "track only mode"
I love these analyses from a technical and legal point of view. Keep it up Autotrader!
You can really notice how loud tires are on full electric and hybrid vehicles. I figure there will be decibel laws for tires soon. thanks for confirming this.
Agree
I was so disappointed when I realised that electric cars aren't much quieter then ICEs. I thought the lives of people who live next to busy roads were going to be transformed. But sadly not.
Weirdly enough, electric cars are louder than ICE cars. Most 4 cylinders are quieter than the tires on the cars themselves. Electric cars, on the other hand, have those fake Jetsons noise boxes and whines and hums that can basically travel through the walls and have such a weird frequency that I can always hear them buzzing by my building all night long. The Renault Zoe is incredibly loud!
A lot of eV specific oem tyres are engineered to be quieter to compliment the lack of drivetrain noise. Tyre noise is a lot more noticeable when driving electrics.
@@tizziejames9040 Do we really want all cars to be whisper silent though? Pedestrians don't pay attention to their surroundings as is, and now we want to regulate away one of the few signs of approaching danger?
This channel makes me depressed sometimes.
Wow. It's hard to believe you put up with THAT level of regulation where just the tire noise can get the car banned. Cars are a bit noisy, get over yourselves. If we still used horses, they make WAY more than 68 decibels. And how bucolic are they? Every car is just going to have a button for quiet and loud or your cars are going to be terrible and under 100 HP, because... how, other than an underpowered engine, are you going to have a 4000 hunk of metal and rubber going 65 mph quieter than a fan? It's silly!
A solution to tire noise is rubberized asphalt (ground up old tires mixed into the asphalt used to pave a new road). They've been doing this for decades in Phoenix AZ. Subjectively it reduces tire noise by 50% inside and outside the car.
The sound of a car is one of the most exciting things about driving a high performance car! I've just fitted an Armytrix exhaust system to my car, so safe to say I'm not complying with those noise regulations 😂
It's only part of the excitement if it's a good noise though! I've kept mine standard on my V10 as the sound is great, I wouldn't want it louder. The worst thing is the trend for fake banging and crackling on the overrun.
Ahum, 99.9% of the cars passing by are not high performance cars, and it is true, the tires make the most noise and is not a pleasant noise. And that makes car focussed cities so damn noisy. I am all for reducing that noise.
@@mikesw87 the pops and bangs on my stage 1 V6 are pretty special - I love them! And the valvetronic exhaust is perfect for when I don't want to annoy people (early morning, late at night, built up area etc)!
As Brick would say: "Loud Noises!"
@@brulaapgaapmeester8052 I'm saying that I personally place a greater value on the sound a car makes than what it's 0-60mph time is, because let's face it, how often can you do that safely on a UK road. I couldn't care less if someone's Tesla can do 0-60 in 2 seconds if it sounds like an asthmatic person wheezing.
The sound in the morning when you turn that key and let it idle for that 20 seconds. Amazing stuff.
The biggest problem with all new cars is the lack of sound. In the UK lots of kids were taught to atop look and listen , but with the new rules a lot of people may be run over because they don't here the vehicle coming and this is unsafe and dangerous so the UK government needs to take a look at what they are doing to the motor vehicle industry .
i find it weird that EVs are required to make noise at low speeds but other cars are not - all cars can be nearly silent, if we think they need to add noise to evs then just make it a rule for all new vehicles.
BMW's odd response to that is to feed in fake engine/exhaust sound through the car's audio speakers.
The solution is easy. Fucking look where you're going, lol. You know, the most important component of "stop look and listen".
@@SoullessPolack while it is solid advice it kinda falls down for blind people, who have to cross carparks too. I don't know why it is now legislation worthy, I suspect someone looking for fault with EVs, but that's the theoretical reason I think
One should never cross a street without looking. It's like saying bikes are dangerous because you can't hear them...
True about tyre noise, I listened to EV’s on the road 10 years ago and you can hear tyre noise above 20mph as a pedestrian nearby, I wanted to see how quiet they would be so listened to several and all had noticeable tyre noise once rolling. Shame about the gtr
People we never voted for making rules we don’t need. I have just come back from Austria and in certain areas a motorcycle can only make 95 db’s. Mine made 96 from the factory, a 2020 bike, but has a slightly noisier tail pipe which can with the bike from new. No one looked at me riding though towns or put there fingers in their ears. It’s the anti-car lobby trying to ban people having anything that makes you an individual !
Each video about regulations makes me realize how useless the government is
Being as the UK is no longer in the EU we don't have to enact it but honestly I bet we go even quieter.
@@andrewgarner2224 they all think the same way
Hear hear.
Rip best thing Nissan ever did
Ever heard of the R32?
@@h2wr he means. Not killing the cars heritage just for it to sell. It's better that they discontinued the car rather than making it rubbish
@@darshgupta7682 In what way would you consider it being made rubbish?
@@h2wr slimmer tyres (less grip and reduced performance) muffled exhaust. And 1000 other regulations non car PPL government passes
The best Japanese sport car: GTR, is sadly following the way of the incredible performer Viper ACR.
In USA they also announced the dismissal of the Camaro and Helcat musclecars after 2023. So sad.
I don’t want to live in a world without good exhaust notes
Ever driven on rubberized asphalt? Smooth as butter, tremendous grip, slicks away water, cooler to the touch, quiet as a nursery. Costs twice as much. Invest in better roads if you want quiet, England. Leave the cars alone!
This has been very interesting. It's also made me realise how stupid these statutes are. Most people are not asking for these "rules"
No, it's to please some schmuck lobbyist or government drone... you know, the kind of people that sports cars are lost on...
More or less, i love Ferrari sounds , but i hate when ever a loud bike passes by my car when my daughter is asleep in the car.
These rules should only apply to areas without houses , but in the example i gave , people in my country make their bikes louder because they want to be eared.
For example when i drive around town most elderly don't ear me ( eletric ) so the only way to keep all happy is to have flying cars xD
oh, yes we are!
@@Wasaga1951 no we are not, the sound of a car is at least 60% of the experience, if I don’t hear the engine then why would I buy a non electric car? What’s the difference?
@@boxfabio I love the sound of pretty much any engine, even if I am sleeping and I wake up earing a beautiful sound I’m not angry at all, I myself want a loud car or bike when I get the license
One thing I'm confused on - you say they won't be much louder than you talking - but how does that work with pedestrian safety? Electric cars are obviously quiet and generally need to be emitting an extra sound through speakers for safety at low speeds so people can hear them coming - are those two things not going against each other? I WANT to be able to hear a car driving near me. ICE or electric, doesn't matter - being able to hear something moving near, for me, is extremely important.
I don't understand this argument, don't people look left and right before crossing? There are many other road users who are just as quiet. Do they cause accidents?
@@LiamHaHaX People often don't look. Also there's been many collisions between cyclists & pedestrians.
I can see why you don't understand though...
@@LiamHaHaX Yup, I do. But I also work retail so I'm in busy carparks a lot. People will pull out of anywhere (spaces, drop off points, or just going down the carpark aisles) without looking around them. Honestly, go to your local supermarket and stand near the entrance for about 5 minutes and you'll get where I'm coming from pretty quickly.
Electric cars are generally mandated to have a speaker playing a sound while at low speeds. It is primarily intended to make the car audible at all times; after a certain point the tire noise makes the additional noise unnecessary. These noises are generally designed to be noticeable, but not loud.
@@BobMonkeypimp people don't look? There's the problem not the noise. By this logic cyclists and mobility scooter should also be banned.
Generally speaking there's a correlation between noise and grip.
I do hope we don't end up with poorer braking distances to meet noise regulations.
Nobody ever dies because of noise pollution. Probably.
it can cause stress that also helps in causing heart issues but tbh the roads are already less noisy. It's just the people that modify their car/motorcycles that do make noise and rich people with loud stock hypercars.
I have to say road surface noise is a buggy for me... I've driven some flat roads thinking there is something wrong with my car only or 10miles down the road to actually hear again... But I do understand this is for the person walking the street with there dog etc.. but while driving at normal speeds I feel most cars ain't to bad, and when you do hear an engine or exhaust note my ears perk up.. I'm going to miss that when it's all gone...
The loudest thing in my car is the missus and there's nothing we can do to regulate her.
_"Why we going this way? Did you miss the turn? You're driving to fast. Watch out for that car ahead (It's three hundred yards ahead and I'm doing 40mph!). Did you lock the front door? Did you bring a coat in case it rains? Oh! look A Rabbit. What time are we going to arrive? What time will we be home?... Nag, nag, nag, nag........."_
Quality!😅
😂😂😂
😂
I think you need to trade her in.😃👍🏾
@@wainerollins2587 I can't. She's a classic with all the original parts still operational and the body works still pretty decent ;-))...
There is a new crash test regulation aswell that likely it wouldn't have passed.. Let's face it, it lasted in producton way more than it should, from 2007 to 2022, that was a heck of a run
Eu isn't the whole world, you can still buy one elsewhere.
The GT-R will still be on sales though.. Just not is the EU since their restrictions which getting stricter & stricter
@@antoniohagopian213 facts bro facts
@@AbrahamArthemius hope so
@@alunesh12345 hail satan
When I was a kid, I used to play Hot Wheels with making car sounds from my mouth. Now I wonder, what sound would a kid from 2050 will make while playing with Hot Wheels, probably will be music or something.
More regulation is never a good thing...it's a slippery slope like you just described with these noise level rules...
I hate the government!
When it comes to cars or basically anything that moves, isn't Rory one of the best presenters, ever?
jason cammisa
Harry Catchpole
@@nicholascooke5263 catchpole makes me wanna go to sleep 😴
Agreed and Camisa is excellent too
Jason camisa
With the success of the new Nissan Z, their ideas about where they were going with the next generation of GT-R have changed abruptly. The people have spoken, they want manual transmissions, and classic design. The GTR is not known for either. The next GT-R was initially planned to stay only combustion, and have an upgraded version of its current body design. However the success of the new Nissan Z has shown Nissan that the public wants the next GTR to have body lines, and throwback details that hail back to its most popular predecessors, and that the public wants their stick shifts back! This means that the new GT-R will have more features reminiscent of the R34, and will have a 6-speed manual stick shift transmission, and hybridized power plant. These were not the directions they had intended on going before the release of the new Nissan Z, so changes have to be last minute and that means ending production of the current GTR model, in order to free up resources to allocate towards the redesign of the GT-R. That's the real reason why Nissan halted production of the current generation of GTR.
I hope it is true, manual r36??? o'boy that is what heaven made of..
You still cannot get a new Z yet??? How is that a success?
@@Restitutor_Orbis_214 its out in other countrys. Just like new movies. Yes im jealous. 😔
@@III1IlIIlIllIl Oh boy would I download that car.
"reminiscent of the r34"
stop I can only get so hard
Clearly is a way to introduce electric car only, but again, EV tyres are noisy as well, but also the roads are not well made to reduce car tyre noise.
Don't worry. Soon we'll all be quietly sitting in our pods, plugged into the Metaverse, owning nothing but being very happy while obeying the wonderful WEF👍🏼
Why? because the car is like 20 years old and they have never made a new version of it. Only the face lift.
If that was the case, then how have Porsche managed to survive literally nearly 100 years?
@@shiTthebed86 :D
@@shiTthebed86 because the 911 is iconic lol
@@ahwai82 and the gtr isn't?
@@shiTthebed86 the 911 changed genrration after generation
I like my music loud. Therefore, I need loud exhaust to remind me which gear i'm in.
One thing I wonder... since these are noise tests, and we have made great strides at noise cancelling headphones that just generate "noise" cancelling waves in smaller appliances, couldn't they just add extra external speakers to not drum out but equalise out the noise in regular driving modes, with the caveat that all the noise is not touched once the car is in a track-only mode? Sure, the electric installation and car body engineers would have to work their magic in order to a) build and strategically place such noise cancellers within car's structure, b) tune the setiings to actively dampen respective harmonics or sound levels before they "leave" the car's body... I guess maybe Yamaha experts could generate such a prototype for future LFA, to offer both the great noise when wanted and silence when needed ;)
The day of being a petrol head is coming to a close. What a dreary future for the automotive industry ahead 😑
agree. hence why the crazy fuel price increase. It was good while it lasted
@@mabskha7917 yeah,, in France and Italy the governments are reducing the fuel prices by removing taxes. and here in Switzerland the government refuses to do so, and the Greens love it, because theyre trying to force everyone to get EVs here....
an electric motor is a superior machine. pretty soon, if your car makes vroom-vroom noises, it will mean that you've got a really slow car
@@iddqd339 yeah but there's no soul or character. An everyday ford ev wouldn't be much different to a Porsche taycan in anyway other than performance. Car meets wont be a thing with EVs because there's nothing to distinguish them from one another. I'd rather have a slow petrol car than a sub 3s 0-60mph milk float
@@richboy900 power-to-weight ratio, chassis stiffness, suspension geometry, aero performance, before you get into crazy things like advanced driver assist features - like steer-by-wire optimization, active aero and cold gas thrusters. you'll still be able to dump lots of money chasing marginal gains with electric sports cars, and end up with some of them costing millions.
Hands up if you want the R36 🤚
I’d buy that that render of the R36 looked amazing
rory wants it electric.
@@MrTimeless101 A electric GT-R ? It's like having a electric 911 or Lambo. No thanks.
ICE ftw. The GT-R is a driving machine, not a wind passing by.
if its electric then im sending it to the crusher (where it belongs)
NO...a HUGE NO if it's electric...my son has a Slot Car track
Its sad, but this is another push to remove IC cars from the roads in favour of EV.
Although EV cars will struggle to keep their tyres 68Db quiet...
Is public transport subject to the same restrictions I wonder...
I dont believe Nissan statement "why" they kill it.
Sales have been little to none, plus anyone will rather buy luxury German missile for 120k and spent 20k on 1000hp upgrade than sit in that (plastic can inside) this lovely only on the outside car.
RIP godzilla
Wow. It’s at the point of regulating TIRE NOISE. Just wow. Tire technology, from a performance standpoint, had just gotten really good.
Why does Rory always seem so pleased with things like this? Each to their own I guess
he looks forward to an electric GT-R. who would say such a thing.
@@MrTimeless101 Kind of. But doesn't seem to lament the enforced passing of the current GTR or anything petrol or diesel powered. News flash. They are not evil
probably because autotrader, his employer, is in the business of selling cars, not motoring journalism. they're paving the way for when daddy government will only allow them to sell boring, overly regulated electric cars. it's borderline shilling.
@@abs-bu9uz Well said. Paid for advertising rather than journalism. Good to see others are aware
@@robsmall6466 well... I think I've expressed myself wrong in my previous comment, when I've said 'motoring journalism'. what I've meant is that autotrader is in the business of selling cars, not appease petrolheads. motoring journalism would include reporting on everything that affects the motoring industry (including upcoming regulations or even reviewing electric cars). but journalism becomes shilling when you start 'agreeing' with these overbearing regulations in order to protect your business or employer and it's clear that the autotrader youtube account (and its presenter) is about selling cars, not motoring entertainment.
In Japan, the GTR can be set to limit top speed based on locations, like release full top speed on track only. I believe manufacturers can also limit engine noise based on GPS data, like build up areas or even local time. Everything is just a bit of software.
I personally would not want to drive a vehicle that multiple times a day gets controlled from some satellite location.
@@bamuz my understaning is it prity easy to hack
@@russellwilliams9437 another reason why that would be no good!
I find it weird that I used to complain about all the cool cars us here in the US didn’t get compared to the UK, and now the complete opposite is occurring. WE’RE getting the cool cars while the UK isn’t. Meanwhile, the US isn’t as great in terms of available racetracks compared to what’s on offer across the pond
I recently went for a holiday to the UAE. I stayed at the Swissotel right across the Dubai Mall and my window was facing the hiway. Uptil 3 am all I could hear was loud screaming engines. But never did I have a problem either with the tyre noise or the exhaust noise when trying to fall asleep. In fact I would fall asleep with a grin on my face every time I heard a mellifluous engine screaming down the hiway until I was fully asleep. What I'm saying is people can get used to it, or rather there should be silent zones or roads where there is a sound limit and a microphone to catch said person. And have decibel ratings for roads like speed limits are mentioned. That way those of us who have loud cars and want to enjoy the effort we put into affording that car, can do so in specific areas.
Just think the era of fun is over, how can I drive a mustang having the noise compared to a phone or laptop speakers
I'm glad cars are getting quieter. Thanks for this youtube Rory. I'm happy to use public transport too.
The sad part is, none of this will stop people putting stupid exhausts on cars that sound crap (or worse diesels).
We need to adopt a rule on how *good* a car sounds, not how *loud* .
it sucks that noise regulations exist, like who doesn't love the sound of a loud and great-sounding car?
People that are to hear it passing by
I love the noise of a proper performance car but then again I can hear some cars clear across town which is annoying as hell when some idiot is red lining his second had porsche at 11pm on a Sunday night. Not to mention chappy Honda civics with after market sports exhausts or those god awful bobber motorbikes that sound like spanners in a washing machine....
Fr man fuk these rules
The 2020 Shelby GT500 probably wont do well in Europe because it's arguably one of the loudest stock exhaust notes.
I would vastly prefer a dead silent sports car, actually. Without engine noise, you can really hear what each tire is doing
This is beyond sad. I’m just feel lucky doing a few wonderful and very loud cars. And God bless Lamborghini! I am very lucky to own an STO and this thing is very loud in the Trofeo mode even at start up. I guess aftermarket exhaust manufactures have their work cut out for them for the next 10 or so years. Akrapović for all!!!
I remember a couple of decades ago an electric bus was trialled but rejected - because it was too quiet and there was a concern that may be dangerous as people wouldn't hear it coming.
Moving on, last year I was nearly run over by some stupid cow driving out of her driveway across the footpath. I couldn't see her as the hedges were too high, and I couldn't hear her because the car was electric - but she hadn't considered creeping out slowly because nobody knew she was coming, and you cannot be expected to stop and look
every time you're walking past somebody's driveway.
Given the UK's obsession with road safety and the number of people killed on the roads I wonder what will happen when MORE people start getting killed or injured as a result of not seeing or hearing an electric car coming? A reasonable amount of engine and tyre noise serves a useful purpose in this respect, but with engine noise gone and tyres already virtually silent at the ever decreasing speeds they want us to drive at, you wonder if the Health & Safety Brigade actually realise just how dangerous that can actually be. Given the often narrow minded attitude behind some of the decision making, I suspect not.
Speakers to make engine sound louder? What the fuck? They’re evolving backward.
Sport car should be recognised, not just for exuberant style and looks, but for the furiously angry sounds, culture of sport cars is dying. I do hope I can buy one before the go all 🤫 hush hush.
Couldn’t agree more
I think the citys infrastructure should be changing more than the cars (lots of cities in the Netherlands are great examples)
Very true. The Netherlands have some great cities where walking and cycling is heavily encouraged and mostly the better/easier choice to navigate.
Sad days ahead for car lovers , maybe the younger generation can still love car because they don't know any better, but I garuntee there will still be less car lovers than there was
The sound of the car is a very important factor
To me if it doesn't roar ,it doesn't feel alive
Sure these regulations are for environmental reasons,but it is still hard to accept
i love how 3 hours after rory releasing a video on car noise regulations alex is out there on car throttle immediately breaking every single one of them in stratford upon avon in a massive bowler 🤣
I was walking the dog before watching this video and two mountain bikes with fat tyres zipped past followed by a small hatchback. The cycles had a louder tyre noise than the car! I'm not sure where we go to be honest. If the max noise level in 2026 is going to be 68dB but most tyres produce more noise than that now, surely tyre manufacturers are going to up their game a lot. Road noise levels are also very dependent on the quality of the roads, which we know are pretty awful in the UK. RIP the motorist?
The number of quieter cars on the road seriously outweighs the number of louder cars. Why not let people have a little fun when/where they can, if they abuse the system then by all means punish the individual. It's much like alcohol, many people enjoy it responsibly but there are the odd few that spoil for the rest, should we now ban alcohol entirely? Honestly the fun factor is getting sapped out of everything slowly but surely as the years go on.
I'm not woken up at 5am by tyre noise at the traffic lights outside my house...
Me in Kenya hearing all these rules 🤣🤣🤣 For us the louder the better
lol. Im in Zambia and these noise rules arent so strict either
So how does these strict EU regulations affect sport bikes. Just imagine you're sitting in your now muted Lambo and some guy rolls by on his BMW s1000rr with acropovic exhaust blowing your eardrums out.
I was just thinking that. I'm sad to see a lot of nice cars going, but I have to say there are certain bikes that are incredibly loud and annoying. Was thinking more Harleys, but see it with the sports bikes too.
Usually those aftermarket exhausts or decats are illegal, just unenforced. Plenty of pipes sold "for track use only" end up on bikes on the street.
It's usually not even hard to swap back on the stock pipe when the annual inspection rolls around.
they already affect bikes a lot. the Tyrol region of Austria has a complete ban on all motorcycles where the decible is higher than 95DB (the average from the showfloor sportsbike already goes over those limits)
The GTR isn't dead, u can still buy them
There's a group of people behind this. They want electric cars. Asking for noise reduction is one thing. Asking for silence is another
They should make the roads first 🤣
the loudest part of most cars these days is the tyre noise. There are some loud ones and some with people driving down the road with hearing damage loud music though.
Nah. Not in my car. It's the missus. _"Why we going this way? You missed the turn. You're driving to fast. Watch out for that car ahead (It's three hundred yards ahead and I'm doing 40mph!). Did you lock the front door? Did you bring a coat in case it rains? Oh! look A Rabbit. What time are we going to arrive? What time will we be home?... Nag, nag, nag, nag........."_
@@thezanzibarbarian5729 you explained my mother down to a T 🤣. But my father drives like he's driving a rally stage. But my mother shouts watch the car despite it about 300 foot away
All this stupid rules are for some brands like Telsa beneficial because they are all electric but, non of us will ever forget who really is the Godzila. They want to drop out those fabulous cars like GT-R's, Lambos and Ferrari etc. Because they can not built such monsters nowdays for example, supra mk5
Rev limiters set to 3k rpm!? So every car is going to have to be large displacement diesel powered to not leave the majority of their power on the table!? Man, Europe has really gone bat shit crazy.
I think these noise regulations are good, but I don't see why there can't be some exceptions for sports cars. They are rare, so their contribution to the noise levels in our cities is negligible. I live in a relatively small city in Italy, and I hear the hospital helicopters far more often than I hear sports cars. And even in cities like Monaco, where all tax dodgers have super cars, the solid speed limits make sure you don't get some excessive revving on the streets.
But the thing is, our politicians approach the traffic situations in the wrong way, as usual - to regulate the car traffic, you make the public transport, bicycles and pedestrian traffic more attractive. There are multiple examples of this working well from all around the world, and basically no example of the opposite approach achieving anything.
What’s a sports car?
@@lastlondon A fast performance car, what else?
If you make an exception for « sports cars » everyone will call their cars « sport cars ». There’s no formal definition. Toyota can call its Prius a sports car and we’ll be none the wiser.
And while I enjoy sport car noises I abhor loud Harley Davidsons ; they’ll ask why sports cars are ok and they cannot get a waiver too. Pretty soon, everyone gets a pass and you’re back where you started
@@lastlondon This can be easily regulated. Horsepower, or number of produced cars of that model... If there's a will there's a way.
You can cheat in my country. Put a normal exhaust on a motorcycle for example. Pass the yearly MOT, and the second you exit put the aftermarket one.
I hope governments will make some changes to these rules, at least for Sportscars.
They won't. They despise petrolheads and sneer at them. Particularly in the EU.
At that point when they won't make any noise I want the speakers in the car to make the sound that the car would have made with quality audio. I mean it's not ideal but it's a loophole, at least when you're inside the car you can retain that sound effect of hearing the power
noise regulations suck. because of them you can now only get the mustang gt in automatic because the manual is 1 db louder, which is 1 db too high. atleast its like that in germany
All I can say is that one of my favorite movie opening scenes is the Lamborghini Countach outrunning the police in the beginning of The Cannonball Run, That should say everything about my feeling on car sounds.
To be honest, I didn't know the deal with the soft limiters on the new cars recently. Thanks Rory!
It's one of the dumbest fucking things I've ever seen come into regulation
cars with no noise is scary. imagine crossing a road, you hear nothing and bang you get hit by a prick driving recklessly. if you heard the noise, you have few seconds to make a run out of the danger zone.
If tire noise is the issue, then stop making all terrain tires for SUVs & pick up trucks. Their tires are the loudest on the highway.
Looks like I'll be buying older cars for the rest of my life then
These rules are killing off the excitement and drama you get when driving a sports car. It’s not all about the straight line speed. Just look at the mess the BMW i4 m50 is, great in a straight line but hit a nice twisty B road and it falls apart with its 2.200kg curb weight which is 500kg higher that the ICE M4. You should watch Harry’s Garage review on it.
Also Emissions Analytics a UK based independent emissions testing firm have suggested that an EV’s extra weight causes excess tire wear thus causing far more particulates in the atmosphere. These particulates are a 1000 times worse for your health than tailpipe emissions. Leading to higher instances of cancer. Look, fossil fuelled cars is not the future but nor are EV’s if we truly care about our environment then we need to get serious and find a true alternative to Petrol.
Hydrogen...
@@billtribble2904 people always say it's inefficient, expensive and still emits like NOX (I think idk I can't remember what gas it emits) but, what people fail to realize is that the main point of using hydrogen as an alternative is despite it's downsides, it's still better then both petrol and ev, environmentwise. We're all aiming for carbon-NUETRALITY, right? It's just there are people in power who are afraid to make sacrifices or are just greedy...
...all because of money.
or just dumb to understand what carbon neutral means.
Today, EU ruled out selling petrol cars after 2035.
Nissan keep losing 2m$ a day after they screw up by themselves
Rory - maybe an interview with the noise regulators in the future?!
In the meantime we live in the golden tech days - I'd rather see sensible noise reduction by GPS i.e. car detects city center => sets a silent driving mode - and maybe incremental by location/ day or night etc.
Surely they can make it quiter than an SVR/R 5.0 V8 engine? 😅
UK ain't in the EU no more.
@@m4z805 ok?
Imagine having noise regulations like that. Makes South Africa seem quite nice.
I reckon they stopped making the gt because they weren't earning any money from it, they made a loss on each one?!
this is capable of causes a lot a accidents if they keep killing the sounds of vehicles because not only we need to see while driving, but we need to also listen while diving or walking
statistics?
The damn thing has been around for 15 years, I'm surprised it has even managed to stay compliant all this time
I love my super quiet Nissan Leaf and really don’t enjoy ruining everyone’s day and night by roaring through their neighborhoods, Last night I cam home at 4 am and nobody in my house woke up and that’s how I love it and it’s the only sensible way into the future, if you ask me!
Its so weird how fast GTRs disappeared. I was just talking to my wife about how a few years ago you couldn't throw a rock in SoCal without hitting one but now they're more rare than unicorns.
Long Live Godzilla
How come motorbikes are exempt from these rules, they are unbelievability loud
shhh, just be grateful we at least still have bikes left!
hay don't drag them down as well
the power the people possess is unlimited, if those who can afford these cars purchase none of the quiet boring cars they will release I00% guarantee they will go back to letting us enjoy the emotion certain cars give you with the masterpiece of noises they can make
The R35 or any other GTR aint dead my guy.
But isn't it the same EU regulations that require electric cars to produce artificial sound for pedestrian safety?
People are just going to hold on to their older cars.
Absolutely they will become eclectic relics and overly priced classics LMAAAAAAOOOOO 😅🤣🤣🤣😂😂
Until road tax is raised to astronomical levels
I used to love cars when they were affordable, designed with character and style, powered by loud, big engines, having many cylinders and petrol-fueled built to drive on many available roads fast safely.
Now, they are like heavy, quiet, and very expensive vacuum cleaners designed as mobile living or office rooms connected with the Internet loaded with many screens and USB ports driving on heavily congested roads. What's the fun about this?
Where I live, the majority of vehicles on the road are 4WD. The tyre noise from some of those is crazy loud. Others are just loud. However both are quieter than my motorbike. I wonder what the solution is to keep motorcycles safe while making the bikes quieter - often the noise is the only way drivers know I am around - it's easy to be in their blind spots.