Southern Pacific #18 suffers shattered piston on the Durango and Silverton
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- Опубліковано 16 кві 2019
- Piston failure occurs around 35:16.
A rare visitor from California pulls a special excursion on the Durango and Silverton railroad in Durango, Colorado. The oil fired, 1911, steam locomotive, is only one of three preserved narrow gauge steam locomotives used by the Southern Pacific railroad, and the only one that is operational.
The steam locomotive was brought to Durango to help train other engineers in oil firing. The Durango and Silverton railroad was shaken last year following a very large fire, which caused extensive damage around the area. Although the coal fired steam locomotives were not the cause of the fire, the railroad wanted to consider converting the locomotives to oil which do not produce sparks.
This excursion was the second run for the freshly rebuilt steam locomotive pulling a revenue train on the Durango and Silverton. Unfortunately it would only make it around 14 miles into it's trip before the locomotive suffered a catastrophic piston failure which shattered the piston. Mechanics working on the locomotive claimed the damage was from a broken lubricator, however official cause has not been determined.
Several hours after the breakdown, a 1957, General Electric, diesel locomotive coupled onto the train and brought the #18 into a siding where it would sit overnight until repairs were made. The rest of the train was pulled into Durango where the passengers disembarked for the day. Filmed April 9th, 2019. - Авто та транспорт
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I promise you for the rail enthusiasts, the breakdown was way more exciting than the rest of the trip.
If anyone is wondering, it occurs around the 35:18 mark, when you hear the chuffing cut out abruptly and see unusual smoke patterns from the stack. Quite sad the #18 suffered the way she did, she sounds like she’s in pain, but she’s a tough old loco so I’m sure that it won’t be long before she’s back on the rails. Nice video and greetings from Canada!
It's the original piston from the last re-build and the constant use on the Durango line put more stresses on it than Georgetown Loop did. So far it doesn't appear like there is any other damage, they just need to cast a new piston and end plate. I'm just hoping they do both pistons seeing as they're both the same age.
@@LittleDragonProductions I thought 18 was brought in from California for training purpose to help D & S learn oil burning procedures? No Georgetown loop time on it or previous D & S time.
I'm pretty sure 18 was at Georgetown loop. But nevertheless, you're right it was brought to D&S in order to test oil burning.
"I shattered this locomotive piston to show you the incredible power of Flex Tape!"
Hahahahaha!
lol
nailed it
I wonder if they tried duck tape for the repair😃
VMC Aviation Videos expensive repairs like this that would 105% be a no
This is exactly why I don't trust these new fangled gadgets. I'll keep my horse thank you.
Robert Wiersema 🤣
hilarious
Them iron horse aint no good for ya ?
I don't trust the STEAM ENGINE or the LABOR that goes into making them work these days!.
@ 38:02 whe he stickied the camera in the shattered silinder the sound in it was pretty amazing
Wow - never heard of a failure like that! Gives you an idea of the pressure and pure torque that’s going on inside a steam locomotive.
My grandfather would be laughing at them ; " What's the matter with ya, laddie? Couldn't bring 'er home on one side? " He was the quintessential Scottish steam engineer.
Alan Macphail Hahahaha that’s brilliant!
But hey - you Scots invented the thing; surely your granddad would have been able to whip up a fix right then and there!
It wasn't pressure that broke it it only took a small crack in the cast iron piston or a ring piece breaking off and getting jammed between the steam port and the rest of the piston to break the piston into pieces and then ram the broken pieces against the inside of the cover breaking the hole out.
I had a piston ring in my car break a small piece off and then that got caught between the top of the piston and the cylinder head, it ball peened the top of the piston pretty bad before I could shut it off, same idea here with the loco
I took that train back in 1998...one of the most memorable experiences of my life. I highly recommend the Durange-Silverton steam train ride to anybody.
She's a beauty!
I did in 2002. Forest fires at that time made it interesting. Had to bus it on parts of the trip. Such a great experience though!
What a remarkable excursion, cut short by a failure. Great shooting! I enjoyed the scenery, thank you
Passing Hobo - "Hey buddy, what's wrong?"
Engineer - "Piston broke"
Hobo - "Aah knows how it is sometimes, join the club!"
(sorry)
Ha! Nice One
*You beat me to it first !*
It's a blessing no one told the one about the Pistol Club -- you know, the one where they drink all night, and then [redacted] 'til morning...
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There was a man from Boston
Who bought himself an Austin.
There was room for his ass
And a gallon of gas
And -- www.johnbob.net/bumb.html
lol
@Commentor1 pissed = drunk
We've rode this train to Silverton twice. The first time is when the Gold King mine released 3 million gallons of toxic waste into the Animas River in 2015. The river was ok on the trip to Silverton, but on the return trip back to Durango, the river was all yellow. No one at the time knew what happened. The second time we rode it was in 2016. That river was crystal clear the first time we rode it, now all of the stone in the river bed are yellow. Half way through this trip, the engine broke down on on us too. They had to back it up to where a pickup truck with a welder could weld the part the crew found on the track behind us. We waited several hours for the fix and the other 2 trains to Silverton was stuck behind us... We loved the train but I guess we're bad luck!
One of the sweetest whistle tones ever. ❤❤❤
...and a hogger who is an artist with the cord. Hope the Old Gal is back hitting her stride again soon!
I was born in the transition period from steam to deisel locamotives, but for some reason I have a great fondness for steam, and I can see how this lead to the internal combustion engine technology, which I am also fond of in motocycle guise. Thanks for this, the engineer certainly likes his whistle doesn't he.
Lot of whistling due to the proliferation of grade crossings North of the depot. These are largely unprotected by gates, so each require the standard whistling tattoo: long-long-short-long.
Well I'm sure he is using it for crossings. You think he is blowing it just for fun?!!!
@@KStewart-th4sk I guess people must be deaf.
Someone should wire a telegram to Baldwin Locomotive Works in Philadelphia.
LOL!
"Wire the main office, and tell them I said *Thwack* ooooow!" "Wire main office, tell them you said 'Ow!'.... Got it!" *stands there with shovel and confused look on face*
Carrier pigeon perhaps?? piss funny comment hahaha!
I'm on it.
Didididididididididididdotdididotdotdididotdotdidiotdididididotdotdotdidididdid.
Sent.
"Send a wire to the main office, and tell them that I said....OWWWW!"
Being a member of the SPH&TS, I am glad to see an SP loco at work. A rare sight. Durango sure has changed since I rode the D&SNG back in 1987.
Last time I rode that train, it still had the Denver Rio Grande logos on it. That was back in 1978.
Once again, SP #18's stint on the D&S is probably the hardest this loco has worked in a long time.
My grandfather (1886-1973) was a blacksmith for the railroad from his 20's until his 40's. He would have loved this.
His shoddy workmanship was probably the cause of this exact problem
It's an old engine he didn't" cause " any failures on that piston it's just old age and it metallic metal fatigue
@@BruceBergman shoddy shoddy shoddy
@@eaxnitro it's a joke people, that was hilarious
You have your own grandfather?
oh wow, wasnt expecting to see the damage, thought it was like inside the piston. then you came around the front and that MAASIVE hole was sitting there!
Same here
Oh wow, kinda heart-breaking... but gosh, what amazing footage capturing the moment it occurred (just after 35:17) and being able to view the carnage! (37:55) Great post!
Thank you.
Traveling Tom .
Didn't know that could happen.
well as they say it's better than having a shattered penis inside mrs. durango
Easy fix!
Thanks for sharing. We travelled on 480 last year. One of the most memorable and best steam railway journeys available in the world. Never heard of a catastrophic failure like this before!. But fixable.
That is one of the rarest time a steam locomotive had broke down in this year
I like how everyone is equally awe inspired by the modern locomotive that came to the rescue and was a nice side by side comparison. Would be great to take that one back in time to show the engineers who created the steam locomotive.
Holy cow that went well! Thing just fell apart! Thanks for the video buddy. Great viewing!
Travelling Tom, excellent coverage of an 'eventful' journey. Ty.
I suppose the factory warranty had expired?
Ya.. we can get the warranty SPAM callers to extend the service agreement on that. Now all we need to do is give them our CC numbers. Wonder what the current mileage is on that part ? :)
you bet
No I think they can still send it back to Amazon. They have a pretty good return policy. Blew right through the endplate and busted piston rings visible. Yow! what power.
Why would you think that😁
Al Grayson i think so
Beautiful sound as she was climbing 👍
Yeah, "was" being the key word.
This was a fantastic enjoyable video. Thank you for uploading it.
Hey thanks Traveling Tom, that was a great video. Wish I could have been there to help out.
#11 - railroad version of AAA.
I was young when the last of the steam locomotives finally retired. The whistle carried for miles at night and was the epitome of nostalgia 70 years ago. What will kids swoon over fifty years from now? The hum of a Siemens electric motor? Maybe their version of 'music' which sounds very much like a auto with a bad CV Joint? Kudos for this video. Nostalgia is about memories of particular events not the science behind the audio.
"The cause of the failure, although difficult to determine with absolute certainty, appears to have been caused by either ring or piston failure in which a piece broke loose and lodged in one of the port openings in the cylinder bore. The piston had previously been repaired by the SP. "
Cast iron is strong but brittle, the "previously repaired" part is what concerned me, previously repaired and this was what failed.
it depends on the nature of the repair... if it was brazed, as long as the braze was properly done, it should be just as strong as the original. though i'm not sure if brazing a steam piston is appropriate. i don't think a ring failing would lead to a complete failure of the piston itself...
@@SuperAWaC or a slug of water somehow. Bye bye piston.
@The Midwest & Central Railroad club channel
But in this case they were working har up an incline so water would not have chance to collect in the cylinders.
Do they use brittle cast iron rather than steel forgings so the piston can fail rather than something more serious?
@@jordanrenaud-pq7rx "Wet" steam could do it too.....
I took that trip in August of 2000, they had to fix the "bumper plate"(I think that's what they called it) between the engine and the tender while we sat on a mountain ledge a few hundred feet(maybe more) up from the river, we sat there for about 1 hour while a tender brought the piece up from the roundhouse. The ledge was only about 6' wide on each side of the train with near vertical rock faces up and down....I can only imagine how perilous it must have been to build that railroad back in the day.
I highly recommend the trip.
That spot you describe is the "famous" part of the trip. There the Animas river plunges through a narrow canyon and the rails are on a narrow shelf about 900 feet above. Drama is added to the ride because of the "S" curve. If I'm not mistaken, the spot was filmed in the 1956 film, "Around the World in 80 Days".
52:30 guy on the train gives the middle finger to the guy in the Jeep.
Good catch what a doucher for doing that
He's a Foamer
Holy shit you’re right 😭😭😂
Probably friends with the guy in the jeep
Thank you very much for this video of my old hometown that I grew up in. Thank you so much.
you can almost hear the ol' locomotive wince in pain after the accident..
I love that railroad. Got to ride last run of the season with the workers one year. My fist love is the cog being from NH. I always hope to be back in Durango.
When they let go, they let go in a big way.
34:43 is where it begins to break apart, you can hear the chuff pattern suddenly change where steam is releasing through the cylinder.
What a ride. That was great! Mr. B.
Excellent Sir. Thanks for your efforts, you have captured this beautiful journey of yours. 👌🙏
Run by TrainZone to pick up a new piston and a four pack of Monster
Edit: and a cordless impact wrench
Great video, I just love that sound.... Thanks for sharing.... Love it.
Very cool catch, hopefully she’ll be fixed up ready to go soon
Now me and the mad scientist are gonna have to replace the piston rings that you fried.......
Granny shifting, not double clutching like he should...
He's lucky that 100 shot of nitrous didn't blow the welds on the intake.
digitalradiohacker / you almost had me? ..........You never had your car.
@@woohunter1
Bullshit asshole, no-one likes the tuna here.
digitalradiohacker / it's not how you stand by your car, it's how you race it.
@@woohunter1
Hector is gonna be running three Honda Civics with Spoon engines. And, on top of that, he just came into Harry’s and ordered three T66 turbos with NOS and a Motec system exhaust.
God I love that whistle. It's like an angry scream.
Somehow this little narrow gauge engine's got more punch in her whistle than the bigger ones.
Yes man. They hurt him wit' their stupid
!
Thanks, again, Tom.
35:40 right here is where the outlaw bandits rob everyone on the train.. gosh what a great scenery ... hope the train get well..
The Little Princess got a big workout and 'blew a gasket' lol. She will be back up in no time folks.
Wow, Durango has spread out. Last time I rode that train, once past the first river/stream you were out of town and wide open grass lands. At 14 mins where it is following the highway, that was in the middle of nowhere. Kept wanting to yell that the better scenery was out the right side, not left. :-) Believe the train was filmed for the Butch Cassidy movie the following year after I last rode this. Has been a while.
Thanks for sharing.
I JUST LOVE THE TRAVEL THROUGH "TIME". And the AMERICAN COUNTRYSIDE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH !!!
Only a minor setback for the 18 the D&SNG can repair her in a heartbeat
Not a chance unless someone with deep pockets comes along. Is there foundry in the US capable of casting and forging a new piston, and rings, and probably a new cylinder? Probably not. Possibly in China or Germany, the Germans forged most of the major components for the Tornado, but both at a high price and probably years of work. Nope this engine is done.
To raise the funds will take some time and you wiil have to look for a casting and forging company maybe in Germany or Poland which are capable to fullfill this job
@@emilkarpo Considering SP #8 and SP #9 are of the same type as this locomotive, the D&SNG aren't very hard pressed to find parts.
@@emilkarpo There is a foundry in North Dakota that cast and built an entire 150 hp Case tractor from original drawings. A repair like this would not even raise an eyebrow. Look for the story on youtube.
@@emilkarpo What? A broken piston to the Durango and Silverton is not really too much of a big deal, they have the technical know how to perform repairs like this. Between Durango and the Cumbres, one of their locomotives seem to get a broken piston every two or three years.
Those narrow-gauge steam locomotives are awesome.
I can remember when this Steam Locomotive was on display in Dehy Park in Independence California in the Owens Valley. I followed its Restoration on the Internet. I guess we see that piston failures can occur. This will be repaired and the other piston will be inspected and repaired before it has a sudden failure.
Yes in as much as we'd like to believe Some of this old Iron has gone thro SOoo many cycles it just doesn't live forever WHAT DOES?? The desire & ambitious efforts of those that keep them "Chuffing" Hats off to all of them
that metal looked so brittle i was thinking to myself "did they not put in new pistons on the rebuild?" then i read you comment and instantly knew that they probably used the pistons so as to keep the cost down on a rebuild
@@jbench2756 The cost of one or two off castings that large is pretty steep. And yep, cast iron is brittle in comparison to other alloys but modern cast isn't much different in that regard than that of a hundred years ago. But cast iron is actually a great material for that type of service - the reason many gas engines still use cast iron piston rings. I'm inclined to believe it was a lubrication failure as was assumed at the time of the incident, not just a brittle failure.
A dry cylinder leads to seizing, making it pretty easy for the inertia of the train to push the rod through the piston with the ensuing carnage we witness. In gas engines, lube failure does much the same thing 'cept the rings are what seals the bottom end of the cylinders so it's they that get torn apart. Instead of chunky piston, you get chunky piston rings. Chances are, it would of happened the same way with a modern replacement piston when the lube ran out.
damn, and you could HEAR it all the way from the cars too!
And beautiful scenery through there. Nice little towns.
WoW! Not too bad. Looks like an easy fix. Damage is isolated to the outside. It`s not like you have to take the whole top of the engine off, to get to a piston. That could take months.
Still quite a big job, plus reboring the cylinder & refitting.
For No18. the railroad has decided to replace the pistons, rings and piston rods on both sides to ensure this doesn’t happen again. The right side piston rod had a bend in it. They suspect a piece of the piston or piston ring broke off and got wedged in one of the steam ports which caused the damage to occur. Check out their website for the full story and photos of the items they have had cast and are machining to get No.18 back working. Impressive repair.
Hydro lock as some are suggesting would more likely have damaged both pistons, the left one escaped any damage, just sayin. Water carry over into a superheater, if fitted, will cause it to flash into steam and can result in the locomotive getting out of control. This happened to a mainline loco back in the steam days, they primed it by mistake and the water flashed into steam, the driver couldn’t get the throttle closed, couldn’t operate the reverser into mid gear and the brakes had no effect. They estimated the wheels were doing 120 mph but the loco wasn’t moving. It eventually was brought under control but by that time the wheels had burnt through the railhead and into the web.
Very nice production, and interesting to watch, and get a feel of the surrounding areas of life in Durango.well done'..
We enjoyed this trip several years ago! No explosions!
Wow amazing experience glad you had camera in hand! Did they charge you guys extra for the foot tour? @35:16 that's such a sad sound but at least it's fixable
Good documentation.... Thanks!
back in the day before radio or cell phones this would to have been a real big deal!!
lot's of power in steam!! cool video!! hats off to the pros doing the rescue!!
Look on the extreme bright side... Riding behind diesel on the D&S is an extremely rare event!
Where did they find a narrow gauge diesel??
Probably the most well documented mechanical failures on the D&SNG.
excellent!! would loved to have seen the repair. anyone know if the piston rod nut is leaded on or welded to the shaft?
Usually a tapered pin which is them "mushroomed". Or a nut and bolt which in turn is also bludgeoned to stop it ever walking off.
For those of you who don't have the time the action happens just after 35:00
Damn! That hurt! No oil in there for a while by the look of it. Well saved though. Hope she's soon up and running. Best of luck from the UK!
Remarkable video even capturing the moment the piston broke! !
In the UK in BR days it was not unknown that if something failed for the crew to disconnect the motion on that side and proceed at slow pace until a station or siding could be reached. Although I have to say that I am not aware that it was the case where something so catastrophic as this occurred.
A few years ago a preserved BR Standard loco blew the entire end of a cylinder away and that had to be towed away.
Plus, this is a mountain railway so tough to run on one cylinder. Well, unless you have a down grade run to the platform or engine house.
Yes at the Watercress line, the cylinder head was blown off.
A failure like this, I'm surprised they didn't uncouple the piston rod at the crosshead and pull it out completely. Let the engine coast back down the hill to the station on the good cylinder, and tow it from there.
That 57 GE is a monster front and back engines
Jeff Garrett hardly a monster. It’s a little 44 tonner. Good thing it was mostly downhill back to the station, or it probably wouldn’t have been able to pull all those cars with people.
@@billmoran3812 I've seen one just like that GE it had two Cummins Cummins 6cyl engines hooked crank to crank not sure what the GE is running
Jeff Garrett that engine has two small Cummins engines.
Most likely they replaced the original engines which were probably Caterpillars.
All of the center cab GE switchers had two engines with their own DC generator each driving one traction motor.
@@billmoran3812 sweet. I always liked the old switchers they do all the dirty work in the yard and get no love.
Flex Seal!! It's train repair in a can!!!
It looks that it did not have any oil at all.
I was expecting butch Cassidy and the sundance kid to come riding in and rob the train.
Son of a....that's gonna leave a mark!
When is SP 18 going to return after it gets fixed?
Damn, that sucks for that old engine
Wow that took a lot of pressure to blow a hole in that cylinder head and destroy the piston
Nice camera work! Great story. So rare on youtube.
Thank you very much for that part of the train going by McDonalds that part brings so much good memories when I grew up in Durango CO.
The Engineer was heard to exclaim: "Oh, dagnabbit!".
I'd bet it was a tad more explicit than that !
I'm not a train expert, but, it sounded like #18 was working quite hard right before the piston broke.
cellogirl11RW couple different reasons for why it could of happened but it’s very possible based on the damage observed it’s very possible that they ran out/ran low of steam and injected just a little spritz of hot water into the cylinder. This kind of damage is generally associated with trying to compress an incompressible fluid.
I've rode this train several times. It works hard and chuffs pretty good going up hill to make it over the pass. Awesome sound!
@@blondeguy08 Oh, okay. Thanks for the info.
wow the force of that piston going .. and the dent on the back of the bumber.. wowsa
The aggressive whistle is the best part.
The aggressive whistle when coming to railroad crossings is REQ by law.
@@ShapdCrusadr i am talking about how aggressively the engineer is pulling the whistle.
A big shout out to who ever gave us that close-up, I'm a designer builder and one can gain a great deal of insight from an up close view like that, I'm shocked to see that everything was all cast in that particular area and not forged or machined, I wonder do they X-Ray the high stress parts / critical parts, I guess not since it's not an aircraft, but it is a high pressure vessel which is under extreme pressure and could very easily kill innocent by standers depending on when it fails,,,
Awesome video
Condensate valve failure or was it a clearance issue? Liquid doesn’t compress..
WOW! Broke apart like a Styrofoam cooler.
*What were the first signs of impending piston failure?* 4-6-0 Baldwin Class 10-26D 285 SerNo 37935 was pulling close to a typical single-locomotive freight load on the Nevada & California (SP) as of the breakdown. There was obviously enough energy on the forward power stroke to knock a hole in the front cylinder cap, witness Time 37:00.
I bet if you live in Durango the sound of that whistle gets darn old after awhile
Well at least it's a reasonably fixable failure. if it did not scar the cylinder too much, still you have to admire how "smart" the conductors outfit is ..lolz
Rode this train up to Silverton and back in 1993 on my honeymoon trip through the southwest, heck of a ride until a hot ash from the Locomotive got me in the eye and I looked like Rocky.
That is the problem with coal burners. Those cinders can chip camera lens as well if you are going fast enough.
It looks like gray iron, with good structure to it. If no pattern exists if theres a drawing, it could be replaced. If not the parts could be fitted together to get dimensions for a drawing.
Depending on the original grade of iron used (maybe class 25 or 30) I would probably recommend changing to ductile iron, possibly ASTM A536, class 80-60-03. But sometimes in a system its best to leave a link in this case the cylinder) that does fail instead of breaking a part thats harder to replace.
By the way that part looks like a cylinder head and a piston failure.
If there's any metallurgical help I can give, let me know. I have over 40 years in foundry experience and am a degreed metallurgical engineer. I belong to the Cincinnati Railroad Club.
I say... go with carbon fiber!😊
Gee. I hope the repair work is filmed. I would love to see it
What’s the history of #11?
Well? Time to call the NTSB eh?
That sucks for what just happened. Have they got it repaired?
NTSB only gets involved when injuries occur.
36:53 must not be a high compression head. Gonna be hard to limp home on one cylinder. At 41:00 looks like defective casting material and not much of it.
Doesn't look defective to me. I see no old damage or rust on the torn surfaces indicating a manufacturing problem, all fresh damage. That is how cast iron should look if you break it, clean and shiny. The roughness is because the metal crystallizes in very large grains during forming. This is either fatigue damage or they were running wet steam up the grade and it washed all the lubrication off the cylinder. The piston is broken inside and its pieces are what pushed the head apart. If the head had failed it would not have damaged the piston when it failed as it is not broken in a shape that can be sucked into the cylinder.
How is the repair going?
Well, she's out of warranty, that's for sure!
Gets phone call while waiting. Hello I would like to talk to you about extending the warranty on your locomotive today it includes piston breakage from faulty lubricators and fires from coal sparks and runaways with no airbrakes. Would you be interested?
Which broke first, the piston or the cylinder?
I figured they would have to remove the side rod, but their method worked also
Robert Heinkel they later removed the piston rod from the cross head before towing it back.
If its not much of an eye sore....would suggest a EN-GJS-500 Ductile iron Flange plate.....Cast Iron usually blows out like that...plus grains are coarse....would keep my hopes on it
I am curious. I don't know which alloy the original part is made out of so I'm unable to do a proper comparison with actual numbers, but what would the failure behavior of your suggested replacement be, in comparison to the original?