Your Printer is Now a Subscription
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- Опубліковано 5 бер 2024
- HP launches an actual printing subscription with rented printers, a two-year commitment, and a pages per month cap.
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At this point, it's more practical just to tape a sheet of printer paper directly to your monitor and trace it with a ballpoint pen.
Broke: Using subscription printer.
Woke: Using 3d printer to crap words on paper.
If you have to sent an essay, just sent a functioning tablet with the file on it, it would be cheaper
or you know… buy from a better printer company
@@freedustinYou and make cnc pen writers, no need for the 3rd axis
@gljames24 theyre called plotters and theyre amazing, you can get them for cheap, they all use the same standardised protocol so everything just works, and you can use it to get that "handwritten" look if you employ variable fonts
I have not clue how HP still has a share of the printer market.
because they are cheap, they make money on the back end, like ink, and soon to come monthly subscriptions.
@@wantu2muchnot anymore lol.
Because advertising.
@@wantu2much They are cheap but their price isn't.
More than anything, because their competitors are doing the same nasty things HP is, because they know HP is basically minting money with this. This is what deregulation and lack of regulation gives you--corporations that just shamelessly stick it to the consumer, and the consumer having nothing they can do about it and nowhere to turn to get it to stop.
My partner and I were flabbergasted when we had a plumber come over to fix an issue, and they tried to sign us up for a subscription. A subscription. For a plumber...
Mario premium
@@risu6894 That's just the base package. What you want is The Super Mario Package.
Private equity
You cant make more plumbers in China, so this is actually less crazy than rented hp printer.
Do you mean a Preventative Maintenance agreement? That’s been around forever. Or was it something else?
I brought a used Brother B&W printer copier scanner at an estate auction a couple years ago.
It was about 10 years old, barely used, with 1,800 copies and 1,000 prints (total 2,800 prints), and still on the original toner.
*Best $15 I ever spent.*
I did similar. Bought a used colour laser Lexmark for £30 from Gumtree. I did need to replace the toners after a short while which set me back a fair amount, but I know that the toners will probably last me several years with the amount of printing I actually do at home
Basically the same, but I asked for the most basic Brother B&W laser printer that could connect via LAN and WiFi. It's never failed, very rarely jams, and the sample toner lasts thousands of pages. I have a bigger one from work, jams a bit more often and eats Chinese toner every few months.
@@aboutwhat1930 I bought a Brother B&W with Lan, USB, and Wifi my freshman year of college. Finishing grad school this year, never once had it fail to print or had to struggle with it. Only on my second toner cartridge after easily thousands of pages. If you don't need color, Brother is the best there is.
Brother printers are freakin tanks.
You will own nothing, you will be happy.
meanwhile we have Luffy and the crew of the Thousand Sunny
Subscribe to the printer. Live in the pod. Eat the bug.
I would love to know the name of the marketing guy who made this decision and the technical yes man who said yes to this degeneracy.
I will own things, and they will be happy with my one-time payment from many years ago
cuz it's obvious that just ain't good enough anymore
greedy corps want more money, and faster please 🚫
Holup, isnt the whole reason people dislike communism that you dont have private property? I mean at this rate might as well switch. At least then my money will stay in my country instead of going off to some rich millionaire abroad
Local library charges FIVE CENTS per page, and your (free) library card automatically refills a $5 printing balance every month.
My is 10 cent per sheet. But there is no payment process machine, just a box with a hole for you to drop coins into. No one check if you pay. I rarely use cash, so I never have change on me, so I just keep my own tap and thrown in a $5 bill after not paying for a few times.
Even at $0.25 per page it's still an order of magnitude less than what HP charges.
It's typical at large libraries that are used by lots of people, but if you live in a rural butt fuck nowhere town, you probably paying a crap load for something stupid print it on some simple paper.
And the copier at your local library is on a rental / maintenance contract as well. So you're paying a subscription either way.
It was 10 cents when I was 10, and I'm sadly in my 50s now. Well, that's better than the alternative, I suppose, but I've literally been dead, and crossed over, and it wasn't all that bad!
20 pages a month? Your school kid is going to need that much a week.
It’s not even a full ream of 500 pages in the 2 year contract. A ream for reference costs about $3 so you’ll be able to print just under 3$ worth of paper
Don't worry. Thanks to non consensual data harvesting. HP knows when your kid goes back to school. So they make sure your ink stops working after you bought all the kids other school supplies.
"Buy yourself a cheap color laser"
This is the way. I bought my hp laserjet in a thrift store about 10 years ago now, the only reason I've replaced the toner is because it was almost empty to start with and the new drums have a yield of 2 thousand pages. My dad's black laser lexmark is over 20 years old now and it works fine.
Don't buy a brother printer though. I got mine a few years ago and it smears black toner on all pages. Their solution was to replace the toner cartridge. After a week the problem happened again. This happened 3 times. They would not do anything else. It wasn't that cheap either
The worst part of all this is that hp made an advertisement in 2016 about how each print costs around 0.001 USD. Those 20 prints are supposed to cost 2 cents. Their stupid service has a 100,000% markup
On top of the already marked up price of ink haha
How dare you use math to figure out the scam! Send in the Pinkertons!
No, the worst part about this is this business model is slowly sweeping through every corporation around us.
The cost includes the printer and ink too tho, not just paper…
@@AndrewPL5 Boot leather really can't taste that good.
40 seconds in... Even the library lets you print 10 pages a day for FREE lmao
Legit point there. Heck when I was at school we used some printing house and it costed like 2euros for 50 pages in extremely good quality copies, ready to be filed with holes etc.
My school lets you print around 200 pages a year for free in their library. Not even accounting for the local public library that also lets you print around 5 pages a day for free. Which is available to everyone. Or simply going to staples, and doing multiple billboard sized prints for like $10.
Fair enough. But you have to go there every time.
That's the thing, even in the 90s as we got our first printer at home, you lost. The printer costs you back in time like 500 bucks. And the bloody ink was already very expensive.
I don't even want to mention all the troubles the printers made back in time. To keep them running was almost a full-time job.
@@mcgeufer it sounds like printers were way worse but you would think that with the advancements in computers and standards we got over the years printing would be as easy as pressing the button, but now there are so many extra steps to it that you have to pray every time you want to print a sad little document.
@@snil4Well, I do agree, Printers did not evolve as much as a lot of other techs.
They just stayed pretty terrible. At least in general, some models from Brother seem to be decent.
It's almost like HP is trying to get into the Guinness World Records as the world's most hated tech company.
There is a lot of stiff competition for that title
2024: "Hp has launched a printer subscription service"
2034: "O'Hare has launched an oxygen subscription service "
"do our customer want this? no? do it anyway"
You've made the mistake of assuming that companies care about what customers think. They only care insofar as it will hurt profits. If subscription services bring in more money, who cares if customers complain.
@@mrbanana6464 they seem to forget there only where they are cause of the customer
if nobody bought there stuff they wouldnt be where they are and if companies keep following shady practices then people will go elsewhere
HP business 101
Brother doing it too.
sadly their main customer is now the shareholder and they want money
I'm imagining HP being reported for elder abuse for this scam.
I truly hope someone does, this is insane! Just go to staples if you wanna print something at this point!
I am already earning my close and even my extended family to avoid HP and, to a lesser extent, canon printer. I advise them to save that a little bit of money for a brother or Epson monochrome laser printer.
@@flyq7470or don’t buy an HP printer
Better Call Saul
My wife got an HP printer, didn’t believe me about the crap they pulled. She scoffed at me buying a laser one. She had to replace her debit card because she lost it at Christmas. One day my daughter can’t print some pictures and my wife doesn’t understand so she does everything then calls HP who inform her of their BS.
We’re shopping for a new laser printer next week, courtesy of Louis Rossman’s recommendations.
Just buy a brother b/w laser printer for around $100, it always works and the toner last forever. After printing hundreds of pages I'm still using the included toner. If you need to print color, get an additional inktjet.
I saw their TV ad saying "HP, designed NOT to be hated!" - I laughed out loud
Hated no, absolutely loathed that's something else.
@@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648 HP stands for "Hated Printer"
@@adamgreenhill110I always thought it stood for Horrible Product. The printers aren't the only things of theirs that suck.
_"There is no war in Ba Sing Se"_
Apparently they fired all their experienced engineers and hired interns
About 15 years ago I bought what was then the cheapest black/white laser printer from Brother. I just printed a test page and here are the stats: 3237 pages printed. Remaining drum life is 80%. This drum has been replaced zero times so far. During this time there were a total of 10 paper jams. Drivers work without any problems in current Windows and MacOS. I will pass this printer on to my grandchildren.
I have the exact same experience with my Brother laser printer bought in 2012. Other companies can learn from Brother. Yeah, I don't pay money to Brother every month, but they get really good press and people can trust them by buying a new Brother printer when they through out their dead HP one.
Yeah, I bought a used Brother laser at Goodwill for $8. Drum came 95% full. Used it for 10 years, still works. I bought a wireless one for $100 just for convenience, also works great. Zero issues.
I was so glad I managed to salvage my old b&w Brother laser with scanner from electronic waste as I wanted color printer at work. Got shitty HP laser that is buggy as hell. I think that Brother printer will be last printer I've ever get to home as it still has consumables in good state. It just works. Not like the flashy color touchscreen HP junk I now have 🙂
Luckily I don't have to print too much at work. Even then I many times go to office Brother laser printer as it is just so much more reliable. Insane stupid things in that HP like it just states after 10 page print that it's "cleaning" and prints one blank page in between the rest. I could live with that, but the friggin junk loses that one page from document? How stupid that is?? Heck even their customer service was like "oh that's bizarre? Sorry we can't help you" 🤦😡
brother all the way. IT in my company, only brother. private the same (but ink)
I've had an HL-2270DW for years now. This little guy is a tank, and just powers out page after page. Drivers and compatibility have never been an issue. Brother apparently has excellent support for Linux, and setting it up there has sometimes been easier than my Windows PCs. It duplexes. Toner is dirt cheap compared to ink. It can be attached to a network.
That article at the end might have been AI generated, but it was right by my experience. Get a Brother laser printer, stop playing around with inkjets. Maybe you need color if you have kids, but Black and White is good for 99.9% of what I've *needed* to print out.
I rarely need to print anything, but when I do, it's on a Sunday night, I need to print several pages at one and the ink is dried up in my printer because it hasn't been used for a couple of months. So every time I print something I have to spend an hour trying to get it to work.
I had enough of it and found a used Lexmark laser printer nearby, got it for about $30, in great shape, with half of a toner still in it. It's been two years and I've had zero issues so far. It has a print server so messing about with drivers is also a non-issue. Every device just finds it and prints without a hassle. Linux, Windows, MacOS, Chrome OS, you name it.
Best $30 I ever spent. I even bought a new toner for it, because it's supposedly running low... four months in and it still hasn't run out.
Bought a black and white brother laser printer HL-L2350DW and it was the best purchase. Works when I need it, never runs out of ink at the amount I print. If we need pictures printed we send them off to online print service. Do don't need colour printing at home when we have so many options online.
Yup... I have one of those very same printers.. I used to buy/recommend HP, now I buy/recommend Brother.
I have a similar printer, it’s the best mono printer…
I worked at a Staples for a number of years, and whenever people asked me if there was a better version of one of the HP printers, I'd take them to the Brother section.
For those needing great graphics and the ability to print promotional things, Lexmark colour laser printers are where its at - their colour laser enterprise network printers support and print Pantone colours.
Brother this is what I do, I purposefully steer them away from HP (and Canon) when possible; Epson and Brother printers are the real MVPs for now esp if you just want "it works" printing on Windows/macOS/Linux.
Yeah we switched from hp to brother and canon.
Brother laser printers (historically) were among the few that allowed toner cartridge "reset" from the menus, basically allowing you to print until *you* decide the toner is empty! Shocking! :)
The comments are making me happy I bought a Brother printer a few years ago. It’s a bit thirst and a pain to set up initially but overall it’s been a great all-in-one device.
jokes on HP, i switched over to Brother printers now.
Dude brother is way better, don’t you just love it how you can just click print and it actually prints?? Like doesn’t require to login, say your login is incorrect, reset your password, finally login, printer won’t connect to the internet, finally get the printer to connect to the internet which you therefore have to login in again which it gives you another error. You finally have the printer connected to the internet and you press print, but it wasn’t from the HP app, so you launch it back up, and yet again you have to relogin. You relogin to find out the printer has lost connection. You painfully do the process again, just to release again that the while even both being connected there isn’t any communication and that the app kinda sucks on windows. You give up on trying to do it on the computer despite using a cable which is useless. You download the app just and sign in, the app doesn’t boot up correctly and makes you relogin. You finally log and have to email the document, then you have to give the Hp app access to files, you finally connect to the printer, and you send over the file. However you forgot to refill the paper. You refill the paper just for the printer to disconnect from the internet and bluetooth, you grab the printer, you smash the printer. You go to office depot, and you buy a brother
What about Canon
Good choice!
I have been deploying exclusively Brother printers at work for years now. Their management platform makes dealing with them SO much easier.
@@seriessplayer62747I downright hate HP products. All of them, but especially printers. Your text reminded me of nice little incident at work. Printer had been used occasionally. I think I wanted to scan something and all of the sudden when launching program it updated itself without me even trying to do that. Well ok I can live with that. But then tried to open the scanning software it essentially wanted to suddenly register without possibility to skip the process. At that moment I was furious and almost ripped the cords of wanting to throw it in electronics waste. Luckily it was some "new" software, but old previous stuff was still there. But what kinds of morons do something like that to their customers? All of the sudden want to imply users that registering product is all of the sudden mandatory??? F that shiiit 😂
I work for an office supply company and got a used Muratec laser MFP with very low count on it. Been using it now for about 7 or 8 years and have had zero issues.
Brother and cannon was the best printers back in the day. I still have mines and I never had a problem with it
For my parents i bought a new printer so they can use it but HP needs your location other wise it wouldn't work.
I am never buying again.
HP printers have been a scam in the past 10-15 years. The only way they are worth their money, is by buying a CISS(continuous ink supply system) contraption and adding it on to the printer, which comes with resettable chips.
Printers DO NOT NEED ANY connection to the internet... Fuck a printer that does need a connection.
Lmao 20 pages wont get you anywhere
For 7$ it's insane. It would make a LOT of sense if it carried the pages you didnt print from the previous month to the next and if it was like 3$.
I don’t even print 20 pages a year lmao
@@cozmo4694please dont even try to justify this
It's more than I need per year.
But why would I spend £65 on printing every year, when I can buy a laser printer than lasts more than 3 years new for less than 3x the price, or second-hand for the same price?
my library offers to print 10 pages per day for free lol
I bought an office jet 5222 on Black Friday for $40 from Walmart a few years ago. It’s crazy how much stuff has changed since then
I got a printer from my Aunt that was on this plan. They don't mention that if you don't use your allotment you lose it. I got two prints before it was locked out. It is the ink cart that locks and said I needed to contact HP to get new cartridges. Both carts were completely full.
Side note does anyone remember the printers that had foil cartridges. There was a silver and gold cart. I want to say it was when Brothers first came out but I think I am wrong. Trying to find info for it on Compusa in the 2000s using Wayback. Not having any luck.
This entire thing reads like an April fool's joke the marketing team was preparing that a manager found and said "this sounds like a great idea."
Brother is amazing. My printer is 14 years old, has printed 25,000 pages so far, still has driver support up to windows 10, and works fine in windows 11. The latest brother android/ios app still works with my old printer. It has only jammed twice i recall, and was an easy pull out the paper and try again.
4 years ago my drum went bad, and i was delighted to see brother still sells brand new drums for my, at the time, 10 year old printer.
The model is MFC-7840W, for who are curious.
You print ~5 pages every day? That's weird, most people either print a crap ton or almost nothing.
@@pieterrossouw8596 He probably prints allot, then none in-between spaces of time.
Brother printers are wonderful, I sell a lot of printers, and the only time people buy new ones is when their drum wears out, and I cant convince them to buy a new drum instead of new printer.
I've had good luck with Brother. Lasted a few years.
Anything is better than HP printers.
I've owned four Brother laser printers. I was happy with them until their driver started delivering toner pop-up ads. I will never buy another Brother printer.
I bought a brother 10 years ago and to this day it’s still my favorite printer. Oem ink was fairly priced, and aftermarket ink is reliable and super affordable.
I’ve had a brother printer I used for work and I got a new job 3+ years ago. I still use it and haven’t had to replace the ink in this whole time.
I’ve never had a struggle owning a printer until I bought an HP printer. They made a struggle where there wasn’t one before
I've been looking to replace my HP printer for like 3 years. I'm sick of it randomly not working on Windows until I delete it from printers & devices, and restarting my laptop. Colours are nice at least, scanner is very high resolution for £30 (though the colour reproduction is a joke)
Looking to get an Epson Expression, like the one I recommended for my dad. It takes 3rd party cartridges without locking you out of features (think canon does that?), prints onto CDs (yes I still burn CDs) and it scans directly to OneDrive
Dont buy those hp product again, those idea should be punished
@@zakb7418 yeah, I switched to Brother recently and it has been a night-and-day difference. I’m never buying an HP product again
@@zakb7418 it sucks because I just got two laptops from them
Same here ! I threw away a brand new HP printer bc I couldn’t get it to work. Bought a cheaper printer and it works just fine
Got my Brother Laser Printer for my 18'th birtday... im now 33... i printed every single thing for school, college and uni ever needed. It turned from eggshell white over beige to a now sickly nicotine yellow (i dont even smoke but it sits in direct sunlight)... the last time i saw that the toner was about to get low instead of taking it out i just shook the whole printer, that was about three years ago... its the first cartridge i got with the printer, it now has printed about 5k or 6k pages, I lost the one i got included as a replacement...
The prints are getting more grayish now instead of black...
I have two brother printers one 12years old one newer with original ink tank cartridges from 2018 I print at least 100pages a month
I've always loved Brother's printers. Good quality, you can stick whatever ink or toner cartridge you want in it and it will still print
Pages do roll over, at least with the instant ink subscription which is what I’ve been using for many years. Printer just keeps working
I've been using the Epson Ecotank printer for two years and the ability to use third party ink cartridges and not be locked down by some bullshit DRM mode has been wonderful.
Shaq sold some seriously great printers. 🏀
Yup. Plus it’s worth spending the $100-200 for a black and white inkjet. Also they last years without leaking ever. if you need color and print a lot and quality photos a printer with those refillable ink bottles are great. Theyre admittidly like $200 but so cheap on ink and good quality no fuss
agreed
Mine stopped working after two years due to a scanner issue, and it blocks the screen so I can top up my ink now because the “ink is low”. I hate epson now. Cost me a fortune.
I have a L355, my dad bought it in 2014 after the ancient HP 810c he bought in the 1990s died and it still works.
I still have around half of the 1 liter bottles of knockoff ink that I bought in 2016.
@@carlosdgutierrez6570 our old laser printer was also over a decade before we put it out of commission. Frankly we would buy name brand ink because why not the price wasn’t much more and unlike regular printers it didn’t leak. Now we have a xerox black and white. And besides it sometimes being a bit tricky with getting it to connect wirelessly the first time especially on windows 10 once it’s connected never any issues.
Our old printer was an Epsom and it was good. Annoying it wouldn’t print automatically you had to hit the ok button and it would like turn on even more even though it was already turned on? It was a fairly common bug with it. I’ve found all laser printers are a pain in the ass to connect to over WiFi. Frankly the printers we buy are on sale laser jets usually an older model but still qualify. They’re also a bit jankier to get setup. But once it’s setup basically never an issue. And when there is an issue it’s very very easy to fix.
This is less useful now with smartphone apps like genius scan being able to pdf scan 99.999% of the time but for ultra professional photo copies being able to scan and then print or copy the scan onto a usb card is a nice touch I keep a copy of my drivers license in my car done this way in case I forget say my wallet or if I want to have a card be copied very professionally maybe a health insurance or car insurance where appearances matter.
We’ve had this one for at least 4 years and only about a year back replaced the starter pack of ink. And when I say starter it was like 1/4th the regular size and 1/8th to 1/16th the amount of pages as the bigger ones.
Ink is pretty expensive it’s like $50-169 but my god do you get a lot of pages. Literally thousands and I do believe it. The one included was like 600 or 800 pages while the standard that costs $50 is 1,200. $100 is the high capacity and 3,000 pages. The extra high capacity is $169 but 6,000 pages. This is from xerox website I’m sure it can be found cheaper elsewhere.
The ultra high capacity If I print 100 pages a month which is frankly a crap of pages that’s 5 years worth of ink. If I print a page a day so 30 a month that’s 16.67 years of ink. My god.
Based on our average printing the 3,000 $100 one would last about 13-15 years. It’s insanity.
Oh and the text it’s so crisp so clean. It looks like it’s professionally done not some cheap printer. Double sided too, very fast. Never needs cleaning or calibration holds tons of paper.
And it only cost like $100. And given the included ink lasted for over 3 years and the quality it’s a deal.
And these things seriously do last forever. You’ll probably have a new os that can’t recognize such an older printer long before the printer or ink goes bad.
We actually print a surprisingly large amount of documents. Not like massive amounts but far more than most.
While it can’t do color the text is very crisp and it’s a pretty fast.
Funny enough windows 11 made it much better I think they really improved driver support with printers surprisingly enough. Also Bluetooth while still not the best is miles better on windows 11.
Open source 2D printers when?
Fr fr
or just a brother laser printer.
@@The_Georgi0 I've been seeing this "fr fr" stuff in lots of places in the past few weeks, but never before and no idea what it even is supposed to mean. Help a brother out?
@@kevykevTPAfr = “for real”. When someone says fr fr, it’s like saying “seriously”, or just like general agreement.
Printers are irrelevant in 2024, so never i guess
I've got a brother color laser for my mom. She prints a ton since she is art teacher. She has only needed to replace the toner once in the last 4 years. Used to replace ink at least once a month with inkjet. We just order from Google photos, less than a quarter per photo, if we need higher quality.
I bought an HP OfficeJet Mobile 200 printer years ago. It's never clogged and I only use it once every few months. It's also the only printer I've had that doesn't have weird connection issues. I just start it when I need and it auto connects to wifi. Plus it's got a battery in it so I don't even usually have it plugged in unless I need to charge it.
The moment in history when companies decided to stop making new products and start to only focus on producing money. Is the end point all of them just turning into fintech?
the goal was always only to produce money, they just kept pushing the boindary of what people would accept and that's how we ended up here.
every person who's said "oh its not a big deal" to scummy, anti-consumer tactics is implicit in this as far as im concerned
@@AdventEdgeblame the conglomeration of companies and microsoft to where we are at now
@@unpotatoedsalmonDon't forget the politicians and judges who ensured EULAs are legal and writing APIs to encrypted hardware is illegal.
Basically they want to stick in the 1800s technology okay maybe not literal 1800s, but think about the Amish for a second, they are stuck in the 1800s technology, they do not want to advance and they won't, well this company is roughly doing the exact same thing and they are more than likely to go bankrupt and die forever over such a stupid concept that we have long since surpassed.
@@unpotatoedsalmon It's almost as if the "free market" naturally tends to become consolidated into the hands of a few corporations.
I am a sailor and i need to print & scan a lot of documents all the time and it needs to be reliable because in the middle of the ocean you can’t go to a store. I can vouch for Brother printers in my 15 year old career. Any of those are tanks! No hassle at all.
Brother actually have a similar plan called EcoPro but the prices are actually fair:
- 4€ = 50 pages
- 6€ = 100 pages
- 12€ = 300 pages
and you can accumulate up to double the amount of pages, so if you have the 100 pages plan and you only used 50 this month, the next month you have 150 pages.
I did the math, if you usually buy original ink, one of those plan can actually be cheaper, and also the machine has full warranty while the plan is active.
looks like some for Brother and a little for lazy tax. Still better than library or Office Depot rates lol.
Bought a printer for school work 3 years ago, I bought a black ink cartridge once 2 years ago and it’s still going strong. For a little as I print, I still saved more money this way than any stupid subscription. And it would be even cheaper to print at my local or school libraries but having a printer is more convenient since I don’t have to leave home, but you better believe that’s how I printed before I bought a printer
Used to work for HP, it's all about recurring revenue. We used to sell a 3000 series printer, nicknamed the bread box that was only sold at good ol' Canadian Tire. It was literally cheaper to just keep buying a new 3000 series printer than to buy ink, since it came with two ink cartridges.. #$$$$
Funny you say that, I actually still own a 3070a. Here in Germany they were one of these supermarket specials. :D Never bothed with official ink and also haven't really printed at home in years, but the scanner is still going.
I literally did this when I was at university, many moons ago. Printer out of ink? Chuck it and buy a new one for rather less than the cost of ink cartridges. E-waste? What's that?
I worked at a school and when the printer with the colored ink ran out, they would just buy a new one because it was cheaper than the ink. Eventually, they just stopped buying new ones and teachers haven’t had access to any printer with colored ink since… 😖
I love how most of the comments are a testament that Brother is the real bro! You gotta love those printers. They just work.
3 years ago I brought a medium sized brother with built in scanner. It came with black toner and 3 color toners. I've used half the black and a third of the colors.
I believe I have the older version black & white brother laser printer that they mentioned and it's been going for at least a few years, i think i bought it for $140, it's printed 70,000 pages and it's still going.
I used to work at a print shop where we had a self-serve printer. You can imagine the VAST amounts of printing errors and screw ups wasting not only toner, but paper. This HP plan is insane for this main reason:
If you screw up your print job, you are not getting your 20 page count refunded. This is a SCAM
Oops I printed it out with the wrong margins. -1
I print off service manuals that are sometimes 200+ pages in length. Thank god I still got my brother printer I bought in 2018. 5000 pages, original drum, one toner replacement.
Initial investment $ + toner cost? Then divide that by 5000 . What does it come to?
@@BenState That would be 299 CAD + roughly 30 for no name toner... 0.06 per page
I haven't checked the print statistics lately so it could be more pages
@@darkraven-666 model number?
@@BenStateBrother HL-5000D
I have an HP printer that I bought on sale about 3 years ago and I have an e-Ink plan that I chose to go with because between working from home and kids who love colouring and worksheets, I do a decent amount of printing. I've been happy enough overall with it, if I'm honest. It works out for me and I don't have to pay much attention to ink levels.
*That said*, when it's time to replace, I'm absolutely going with something else, likely a colour laser printer. I absolutely won't be choosing one where a monthly fee isn't even *optional* 😬
I like the added convenience you stated. Checking your ink levels breaks your brain.
i currently have a Brother MFC7360N it has printed more than 63k pages, i received as a gift from someone that was upgrading shop, had to recently replace the drum for 20 bucks, and 3 toners for 22 bucks, still going great at this day (manufactured in 2011)
We should be thankful when companies make their intentions known and clear. Makes it easier to cross 'em off the list. Thank you Hewlett Packard.
luke's comment at 8:58 still holds true. I used to work at office max until the new year, and while we always sold more hp printers than brother, no one ever brought back brother printers!
we had up to 1/3 or even half our hp printers returned because they're just crap, meanwhile brother is what I always recommended to customers (maybe sometimes epson). it's astonishing how desperate hp is getting, almost like they intentionally make bad decisions that prey on people who don't know better that always end up backfiring on them in one way or another.
i worked at OfficeMax like ten years ago and HP really pushed for us to prioritize their printers over everyone else. so we ended up selling a lot of HPs, but we also would end up selling a lot of Brothers based purely on "well if you want one thats simple and works, here you go". Brother doesnt need dumb gimmicks, advertising dollars, or strongarming customers into subscriptions to sell product; they just stand on business and get it done.
I still own a Samsung ml2010. Manufactured in 2004. Only on my 3rd toner. It got me through high school when I purchased my first computer, got me through thousands of pages printed in 4 years of university and now getting me through over 100 pages a month for a 2 year college degree because I can't focus using a laptop
I have a Canon MegaTank printer and I love it. I had it for 4 years, I do prints pretty frequently and I only had to buy ink once. And the ink is super cheap and it literally comes in a huge bottle.
Can confirm on the old brother laser printers. Bought one while I was in school and over 10 years later it’s still going strong. I don’t need it anymore but I gave it to my dad and it’s still perfectly fine when he needs it
Newer ones are also OK from their office line up. Insanely much better than HP.
The new ones are crazy good too
I have a brother in my office at work and it is a champ. Mine isn't anything fancy, and we have a fancy copier if I need that, but absolutely 0 issues with my brother. Would gladly pick one up for my own home if I needed to.
Brother is starting to do some HP-esque things I’ve heard recently
I have a third hand brother printer that must be about 20 years old now- thing still works without issue. Incredible.
@TheSaintsVEVO makes sense, brother was owned by Samsung printers when HP purchased them years ago. So brother has been an HP brand for 5+ years. It is suprising it did not change faster
@@igobyozOh that sucks. Brother printers have been so good from my experience. One more reason to hate HP. Why do they ruin everything they do?
@@igobyozThey will boil the frog somewhat. HP will be their cash cow that they will advertise the most, and get chumps to buy it. And get brother engineering division to make their printers just in case, for the portion of the market occupied by the less naive people.
If they will push it too far - people with some knowledge, and small businesses will just buy products from the competition.
Hopefully, they won't just buy out competition. Again. 😂
I switched to a Toner printer years ago, I use a color printer once in a blue moon and it was a huge effort to get it going again because it clogs. I also found that printers up to 20 years old have Universal Printer Drivers that work on Window 7 all the way to 11 with no issues from both the supplier and microsoft. The only issues you might come across is getting the scanner working that uses a software which probably doesn't work on windows 10 and 11..
I have a Brother Laser printer i bought around...6 years ago? (LFC-L27070W) Along with 4 knockoff toner cartridges from amazon rated for 2000 pages each, been in service constantly printing documents, reports, legal stuff for home. I had to replace the cartridge once a few months ago. Can't recommend Brother lasers enough!
My dad has a 15 year old brother printer that works just fine still, and the after market ink works just fine
yep and i will continue to give them my wallet for being this loyal to the customers.
you know Linus is MAD when he uses the monotone "One moment please" when looking for something
If you go through setup, and it prints a test page, does that count towards your allotment?
the office i work at has been running a single brother laser printer and nothing else for almost two years and we haven't replaced toner yet. There's a giant copier next to it that we just unplugged because it never worked.
Just found out my parents already do this and are paying for the 20 pages a month
That's so sad.
See if you can get them out or if they've gone past the trial period or whatever
@@Junebug89 I have tried to but they are not going to change they don't even print more than 20 a month so they see it as a good deal
Tell them it's a scam and that you can pay for 20 papers for less elsewhere then HP's shit new subscription plan by a margin mile.
In 6 months they'll have paid for a cheap printer from the store (which also comes with ink).
I bought a brother black and white laser printer almost 4 years ago exactly for $100 before tax. 99.99/(4*12) = $2.08 per month, but now i own it and have had to replace the toner one time. I anticipate including it in my will for my children.
3 years ago I bought an Epson Eco tank printer and I'm still using the frist batch of ink. The damn things a beast and it dose pretty ok on photos. Was it a bit expensive yeah but man it's a great printer.
I have an HP P1102w from 9 years ago. Last year I changed the trial toner that it came with.
If anyone is curious why this is a thing it's because investors want committed revenue data.
Knowing how many customers are going to be paying you in the next two years is much more valuable than estimating how many printers you will sell in the next two years with no guarantee they will actually sell.
Knowing that figure lets investors know it they should back out early/invest more and tell companies to lay off staff and cut costs
Interesting, thanks.
thank you maximizing shareholder value, for this atrocity
@@SaltienceThe stupidest idea in the history of business
@@andresmartinezramos7513not stupid, greedy.
Those words are synonomys @@UncleJemima
floatplane chat talking about furries during the printer talk is peak internet
If i have the place for it i want the same toshiba photocopier we have at work. The thing just works and the scan function is ridiculously fast.
I made a commitment ten years ago and I'm holding to it.
"NEVER INKJET, NOT ANYMORE".
I'm paying $300 every three years and print 5,000 color pages, with a Laser Printer with four toners.
It prints fine after months of standby, it never gets clogged. I have a monochrome LED printer with a single toner for 90% of the office-type prints, which don't require color.
Drop inkjet printers - they are the most widespread scam for two consecutive millenium!
Does HP defines a "page" anywhere on their site?
I wonder what would happen, if you insert roles of paper into it...
I wrote three ten page term papers back in December. If I had this, I would have been screwed.
I have a hp laserjet p1102w I bought 10 years ago, and I'm still using the toner that came with it.
Bought a cheap Brother laserprinter 3 years ago, still on the first toner.
This is fantastic news for print shops. I don't know if that's a thing in the US or Canada, but they are everywhere in my city and they're great; you can print a 100 page document for 6 bucks. Havent used a printer in years
We have FedEX. Yeah FedEX also does printing not just shipping.
In my town in Texas there used to be a print shop, mostly for photos but you can print regular documents too, but it shut down recently due to it being family owned and the owner getting too old to run it.
It also didn’t help that the university library was right across the street, free printing for students
I have that exact brother printer lol. Its been great. Haven't run out of toner and I've printed something from almost every device I own including my android phone, windows 10 desktop, linux laptops, and MacBook Pro. Never an issue.
Bought a home colour laser printer 13 years ago, it's still going strong. I replace the cartridges every 18 months or so. While we rarely print, no way in hell would I ever consider a subscription printer plan. I'd do print jobs at Stables or any other local printing service before buying into a subscription plan!
4:35 last time I tried printing I got 8 pages with the page cut off in the middle before I could print two full pages, so my whole month supply would be used on trying to print and not actually printing
My old HP printer still works for whenever ever I print return labels. But the day HP bricks it that's it going for a brother.
I recently bought a Brother laser printer and it's amazing. The included toner cartridges can do 1k pages and the replacement cartridges are cheaper than what I purchased for my old Canon Inkjet. The new cartridges will do 5k pages. The software is also better, and because it's Brother, it has NATIVE Linux support and provide driver and software downloads on their site for Linux.
Sure does. I'm on Linux and just recently bought a Brother Laser. I plugged it in, clicked print, and 6 seconds later the page popped out.
@@CreativesucksI fucking love CUPS
6:59 you can set up a raspberry pi as a printer server with cups. Works really well. And you have airprint after that.
My router, an Asus, running the "freshtomato" firmware, has usb ports and the capability of plugging your usb printer connection and making the router be a print server. No RaspberryPi needed.
People who are not engineers or software developers can't just hook up a raspberry pi and bypass all the bullshit on a printer. You want to make some money? Set them up to be plug and play and just sell the raspberry pies to people
@@did_I_hurt_your_fee_fees i am kinda surprised that printerservers are not a thing anymore. I looked at multiple boxes 10-15 years ago, which brought Ethernet capabilities to usb printers and weirdly enough: they stopped. I don't think the market is there anymore, as every router has a usb port which is plug and play ;)
But i think everybody can do this, if the explanation is good. The problem lies within the tech community not writing good documentation, not with the non-tech people.
@@did_I_hurt_your_fee_fees sell lmfao, doing the cycle all over again
@6:40 i have a simple, cheap Brother b/w laser printer and it's probably 10-15 years old now and i've only changed the toner once cause it came with a baby toner cartridge like 150 pages or something. It will probably work for many years to come.
And if you end your subscription you'll be locked out of their ink. Also they have "Cartridges Protection" feature is DRM so that someone can't steal your ink cartridges. Quite pointless. My grandma's printer somehow detected after awhile that the ink cartridge was 'protected'. Detecting the ink cartridge as stolen after so long.
I have a second hand black and white hp laser printer that I got for free from an university that was getting rid of old equipment. The printer came with toner. I've had it for 4 years and I'm still using the same toner.
Best "investment" ever.
The old HP lasers are great. The new ones are filled with bullshit like everything else coming out of modern day corporate America.
I bought a Canon with the ink tanks about 6 years ago for $499.99 CAD and I cried at the price. However I knew paying the extra upfront for a decently built machine was better than saving now and being locked into cartridges. So far to date I've printed 13763 pages. I've used two full sets of ink bottles and I've replaced the waste ink absorber and a print head. Total for those is $100 for ink and $120 in replacement parts. It still prints great. It's wireless and I've never had connection bs. If I still had my HP I'd be on my 5th one by now.
I only just got rid of the xerox A3 duplex 1200dpi colour laser I inherited from my mother and that was only because I couldnt move it when I moved interstate. I had it for 7 years. She had bought it used, for quite a significant sum, maybe $3000aud something like 10 years previously. it needed the odd bit of service. I replaced the drum once, toner every couple of years, it could print on just about anything including up to 200gsm card (as long as it wasnt running through the duplex rollers ie one sided) as i'm in digital imaging. I used it for colour proofs, as well as the odd paid short run job. It was an absolute tank, produced beautiful prints that were better than most inkjets and they dont fade. You bought the colour and black as separate carts, so if colour ran out I could still print black, or buy black if I didnt have the spare coin at the time.
I was at a thrift store and a lady was trying to figure out if a printer would work. I spent 15 minutes looking for ink, then finally asked what she needs a printer for. I need to print a few documents. I told her to go to Staples.
I have a completely dumb, wired Brother laser printer that I can now use wirelessly anywhere on my network thanks to finally trying docker and Air-cups
Brother is still crazy good , have one at home , use one toner cartridge a year , I use aftermarket cartridges that cost about 14 euros a piece , just sits there always in stand by , never even got a paper jam .
What happens if you print more than the amount allowed ?
Yea, thats what I did. Bought a onsale Samsung multifunction color laser printer, stuck it in my cupboar with lan/power connection and forget about it until I need to print that one or two pages of goverment forms. And when I do, I just turn it on, wait a minute for it to warm up, print my stuff and turn it off and close the cupboard... I think I bought it in 2016 and still running the starter toners.
I bought a brother colour laser. It has worked everytime I have accessed it in the 3 years I've owned it. It's never needed to be touched otherwise. It prints from windows and linux. My daughter prints full page colour pictures. 3 years and the toner are all still showing as 100%.
I had no idea colour Lazer printers existed
It already was a subscription with a base fee. You pay a flat rate of about 100 to 150 dollars and get charged 60 dollars per ink cartridge replacement.
I used to have this 24pt needle Printer for endless paper on the attic for a good 30 y.
That might be useful once again, provided I would get ink
we currently rock a brother laser all in one with full duplex scanning and printer. we only print in black and white. if we want pictures we go to a photo lab. we go through a toner caartridge about once every 3 years for a cost of less than $100 USD. love this printer and would highly recommend brother.
Brother inkjets are really good, noozle clogs but it can be fixed with repeated self cleaning. But driver setup was so easy.
Still using a brother color laser HL-4070-cdw $300 20 years and still running, bought 1 set of Hi Cap toners. You can still buy one like it for $300 today
I Still have a Brother printer from over 20 years ago and it works