Fun coincidence, in the wild Raven’s and Wolves have learned to be natural friends. Ravens find prey for Wolves and then get to share. There’s even documented accounts of Ravens playing fetch with wolf pups.
This is always one of my favourite nature facts. The idea that two extremly different species make bonds and manage to find a way to help each other in nature is so cool
Yea I literally cried when he asked Corvus to be the saviour of the broken, the beaten and the damned. And the foreshadowing of “Will you defeat them? Your demons, and the plans they have made?” Such a good moment.
So fun fact. Remember those first 500 members of the Raptor project who weren't messed up? Who as Bricky put it, turned out really good. They formed the Raptors successor chapter, and as a result have more stable geneseed than their parent chapter. They are also canon "reasonable marines" as they wear drab green armor (often with camo), specialize in snipers and marksmen, and overall act more like actual modern-day special forces in terms of their tactics
No, the raptors chapters are not from the successful raptors of the raptor project, at least it's never truly confirmed. If they were truly from the raptors of the raptor project, it'd be weirdly stupid decision as the successful raptors of the raptor projects are essentially what you call a "space marine premium upgrade". If the primaris marine are side grades of the firstborn space marine, raptors from the project are essentially in between primarch and space marine level, just below custodians. The initiates that went under the surgery were able to spar against veterans in a 9:1 ratio, almost completely dominating the veterans in hand to hand combat, even the mutated ones were able to fight a space wolf wulfen(?) in melee fairly easily. If anything these guys would most likely have either stayed in the main chapter and the raptor chapters were just named in memory of those that died in the project, or the chapter just have a few of the remaining raptor as overseer. Since why would you have one of your best elite squad all be removed from your main legion?
@midnightecho8228 the reason they aren't as good as the full raptor marines is because there wouldn't have been enough of those to make a full chapter. Thus their superior geneseed got mixed with standard Ravenguard geneseed. Thus they only really got the benefits of more stable geneseed, but lost all the other improvements Essentially having the superior raptor geneseed has long since been diluted within the chapter, but still had helped them be more stable and less prone to geneseed flaws. Like the only flaw they still have is the super pale skin: none of the other Ravenguard issues are present in the chapter
@@thewerdna Again, still never confirmed raptor chapter are formed by raptors other than it's just a memorial namesake. If there's an excerpt that actually confirms this please do let us know, otherwise it really is just a fan theory; much like how some people now theorized raptors are night lord descendants after them being "wiped out" in 35th millenium instead of just hiding.
But there genseed is not stable as they alos miss the sams organd as the raven guard but they also got depression (not kidding) as a flaw in there geneseed
Basically the thing about the Raven Guard "depression" is that they care about the lives of ordinary humans, but unlike Salamanders they fully realize that galaxy is incredibly fucked place and sometimes they have to sacrifice those they want to protect
@@Rapture-nv5vjthe salamanders and raven guards are different sides to the same coin, one will protect everyone at the cost of their own life, the other wants to do the same but understands that is not possible Basically optimism vs realism
@@Rapture-nv5vjwhen you gotta face Orks Tyrnids and Chaos Gods 4-5 of them then you’d be pretty messed up too especially with you’re genefather gone too they are more realistic and pragmatic tbf on a nicer end rather then act like Iron hands or others who are more brutal and uncaring
@@Rapture-nv5vj When you live in 40k, I don’t think it’s possible to be STUPIDLY pessimistic. Every conceivable level of pessimism in 40k is just realism.
A notable Ravenguard that needs to be talked about in some future episode is Nykona Sharrowkyn. He was a Heresy era marine and considered in the top 5 greatest Astartes fighters in history. His most notable feat is he is the only known person to kill Lucius without turning into him. Since he felt zero pride doing so, since as he told Lucius himself "It gives me no pleasure to do this. You are nothing to me, simply a rabid dog that needs to be put down." He also successfully snipes Fulgrim in the head (Fulgrim lives because he's a primarch, and he had the fastest regeneration of any of his brothers second only to Vulcan)
Don't forget that he killed Lucius the second time they fought, he'd already faced him once and was winning. He's basically *the* 30k Raven Guard even more so than Corvus.
Let's not forget, when Corvus confronted Curze and there was a passage from Sevatar's perspective where he describes them moving in the shadows as a trick on the eyes and their sensors were only somewhat making out their shape until they stepped out of the shadows. The Raven Guard put fear into the Night Lords lmao
@chucklytell allegedly. He delivered the gene seed to Cawl for the Primaris project, protected by Mangus for a little bit. Then his ship get attacked and gets into a stasis pod or something. His story stops there. So his story is left unfinished
The last member of a pretty cool warband. He also sucker punched Fabius Bile when he was tormenting the Salamander apothecary. I do love the interaction with that apothecary though since Salamanders have basically thermal vision so he just randomly looks up and sees Sharrowkyn hanging from the ceiling.
@americanman3745 which I believe if he was found alive, that would make him the only living loyalist space marine from the Horus heresy. He would also make a great replacement for Shrike, since Shrike wants someone else to take his place. Although idk if Games Workshop will do that since it would mean completely changing their chapter master model
@@AQS521 Technically there's always Bjorn the Fell-handed. I feel like if he woke up he would probably take a leaf from his dad's book/Cypher's where he works as an independent operative putting down CSM. I think I can guess who would be at the top of the list if he finds Lucius is still alive...
The Tank silencer at the end is real. It was designed specifically for use on training ranges in Germany so the sound of gun blasts wouldn't be as intrusive in nearby towns
“Children, Deliverence has come. You need not follow my shadow anymore. Rather, it is *I* who shall fallow in yours. For I swear to leave the ravens of Kadvar never more.” -Corvus Corax.
Sky burial is very specific: the body is placed on a special scaffold so that ground scavengers can’t tear the body apart and break the bones. The body should be eaten by birds and the bones are left intact.
Raven Guard Space Marines infiltrating traitor Astartes' base using latest stealth technology. Traitor Space Marines: "Oh, its just a cardboard box and nothing more."
While Solid Raven infiltrated an Alpha Legion base he discovers a conspiracy born from within the Imperium's branch of the Inquisition, while also receiving clues from a Hydra agent claiming to be his biggest fan.
Fun fact: darker greens, greys, and especially blues are often better for stealth than pitch black because a black silhouette shows up more easily visually against backgrounds, because pitch black shows up very little in nature That said, the black paint we use on stuff like stealth bombers helps to counteract radar by absorbing it and converting it into heat, so I like to imagine that's one reason the Ravenguard use black armor
@@hammer1349 funny thing is we have something extremely similar IRL with the some of the blackest paints such as Vanta Black, Blk 2. 0, and Blk 3 .0 As that's just how black as a color works, it absorbs visible light rather than bouncing it back like normal colors, iirc Vantablack absorbs around 99.6% of all light and Blk 2. 0 is supposed to be darker than that, so it would still just kinda make them look like a very black smudge in reality. There's always some form of background lighting or radiation that gives a slight "glow" to things (even human beings "glow" a little bit) so funnily at a certain point except for a few circumstances you would actually be counterintuitively making yourself stick out more by being "too dark" for a dark environment
That's why the Raven Guard successor the most obsessed with stealth (who happen to be called Raptors, but not the Raptors of the Heresy-era) wear basically camo-green armor, repaint it when necessary, and go into battle completely silent.
So something that was explained to me is that the skulls each Ravenguard adorns themselves with is from the bird the marine aspirant successfully hunted, and that same skull is recovered whenever possible in the event of the marine's passing on the battlefield. It is a small thing, but does demonstrate fairly empathetic and sentimental side to them, despite what their brooding demeanor might suggest.
The korvia, the bird skull, is pretty much the true mark of becoming a successful aspirant. It is the final test, the catch and kill and small, fast, paranoid bird with nothing but their bare hands. And Shrike caught two of them, though he believes that atleast the second one chose him given that it flew straight at him
@@hammer1349 It's a very cool story as they basically serve as slightly morbid dog tags. Often veteran marines would have a string of them recovered from their fallen brothers until they can return them home. It's interesting that the test there (which you probably know as it's referenced in Shrike's book but for the sake of the wider audience) is not to prove you can catch the bird. That's part of the test but they already know your stealth skills are good. It's a teamwork test.
Also, just to show how casual Space Marines can be: In „Son of the Forest“, Zabriel, a Fallen, goes to search for more Fallen to meet up with The Lion and he found them by basically looking up the local Bar of a town. From there followed the trails and found 3 Fallen in like a bunker hiding where they acted like the 3 stooges, played cards and acted like the veteran uncles you have in your Family
2:27 - and so began the legend of Guy Voidfeather - The smallest recorded Space Marine who due to a defect in his geneseed shrunk to a mere 6 feet, but gained super dense musculature and White Scars level quickness. He's just a little guy.
To be fair imagine a human-sized, Astartes-strength Space Marine. Small but even more swift, just as strong and he can even blend in with ordinary humans
Ah, the Wolverine method. Condense all that rage and force into a smaller package, then let it rip (and tear). Seriously though, he must be Uber jacked with ridiculous bone density.
*Raven Guard = You won't see them, you won't know they've been there.* *Night Lords = You won't see them, you will know they've been there.* *Alpha Legion = You will see them, you won't know they've been there.* *World Eaters = You will see them, you will know they've been there.*
@@dedman1096 what did you see? Mysterious silver space marines that moved so fast they were practically a blur in the battlefield and fought off an entire planet's worth of xenos that gave you a migraine just by looking in their general direction? ... Guardsman, I think you need to drink less amasec.
I know everyone calls the RG emo kids; but I see Corvus and hear Nathan Explosion. Like he’s black metal but he’s a nice guy and has a surprisingly good relationship with his dad. Couple things left out; RG are known for their heavy usage of their neophytes (scouts), they actually do wear less armor and Horus and Perty tried to trick them into it thinking less armor would be a handicap but it just made them more efficient, and it should be pointed out that Shrike actually also loves the RG successor chapter the Knights of the Raven to the point he calls them family and won’t accept infighting between the RG and Knights.
Corvus Corax upon leaving the Warp: “I’m sad. It’s too bright. I wanna go back in the warp. Wanting to go outside was a terrible idea, the warp does not judge, it just hates. Corax when finds Lorgar: “Hey bro, wanna be a dead body?!” Corax when he sees what the imperium has become: “The pain and depression I feel is so transparent that I’m pretty it has become its own Chaos god by now.” Local Ogryn: “Aaagh, what’s a chaos goud?”
What also helps with the stealth is they tend to use Mk6 armor (the one with the beaky helmets), which is lighter weight and quieter. During the crusade most of the other primarchs hated it, while the Raven Guard loved that mk of armor, so much so it is also known as Corvus Pattern Powerarmor
@consolescrub4031 In fairness, Perturabo pulled strings to get most of the stock sent to the Raven Guard because he was certain that such an atrophied legion (this was after Gate 42) was going to have problems, and then he could blame their failure partially on the Mk6 armour to get the whole project shelved. That did not turn out quite how he wanted it to.
@christopherclayton5500 yep, they performed better than usual with the armor, thus ensuring the mk6 saw full production. Good ol' Peter Turbo. Once again his pettiness activity blows up in his face
The acquisition of the korvia is the final test for an aspirant, its not for meditation. Fun fact, Shrike caught 2 of them. The korvia skulls are brought back to Kiavar and buried among the trees, returning the spirits to where they came. The sable brand somewhat has two stages. The first is the more present voices and whispers of the fallen. The second is when they become belligerent, uncaring for their own safety and actively refusing to follow orders, drawing further and further inside themselves. Eventually they do become practically suicidal and there is rarely recovery from this point. Another fun fact: supposedly this is the reason for the creation of the first Moritat during the great crusade, corax himself authorising it and maximising what marines he has. All legions created moritats following the efficacy of those of the raven. Wraithslip is very much a rare thing among the raven guard and their successors, like in 40k they are a hanful across all sons of corax. It seems to have some form psychic component to it, willing the enemy to not register their presence in their minds but it is only made better through discipline and training. Muffling their armour etc is stuff they learn as scouts but likely improved upon when in armour. Stealth isn't their only thing though. A tank doesnt have to be stealthy. Hell, I believe it is the Black Guard successor chapter that makes extensive use of vindicators in sudden and devastating ambushes As far as i know, the iron hands basically only showed up with a bucket load of terminators backing up Ferrus. The backlash from that mess is what caused the whole cybernetic obsession.
In fairness wraithslipping is one of the strongest powers to have, as shown by Sharrowkyn using it to kill Lucius in a duel. I'd be curious to see what's the prevalence of wraithslipping is compared to other traits like foresight in the Night Lords. The guys who could wraithslip were known as the Mors Deythan I believe and although they have been reinstated after the fall of Cadia, the Lexicanum lists the current number of members as 4.
Its not specific to the Raven Guard themselves, but i was hoping Bricky would bring up the story of the Raven Guard captured by the Tau who withstood psychic interrogation until dozens of Tau were in his mind, then forced his hearts to stop and send a psychic feedback into the interrogators killing them with him
Problem. Tau don't have psykers (absolutely zero psyker potential, their souls are dim to the point they're somewhat invisible to daemons) so there's an incredibly large hole there
My boys. My main army is Raven Guard 6th company because I find the idea of space marines who fight for local populaces who are inacting a rebellion fascinating. Though I am buildin my first company and I plan on buying those new scouts for my tenth.
Tonight on the Ridiculous Tour: Bricky reveals his mod for Darktide that replaces all the Daemonhosts with Kuribohs; DK tells us about his master's thesis in new techniques for maxilofacial surgery And Shy demonstrates the 3 best ways to cook a waffle. And as a special patreon exclusive, the whole cast will sing the entire Ring Cycle! Buckle in for all this excitement and more!
Remember that Marneus gave the Raven Guard a load of Primaris reinforcements (including Shrike who crossed the Rubicon Primaris). The Chapter is now back to full strength.
The Raven Guard(and its successors) one of the few(?) chapters that act like actual modern SF(Knightly SF)or well as close at gets. With the Primaris marines they would have loved the phobos power armour and the Vanguard marines archetypes. Also its always funny to me picturing a 7ft Super soldier in bulky power armour doing stealth and that the chapter/legion that excels in stealth but tends to be the GW's punching bag(This hurts me yet its funny at the same time).
If you guys want to do an episode on a Raven Guard character, Nykona Sharrowkyn is your guy. The chaddiest chad of the entire Heresy! Very happy to see my favorite legion getting some spotlight! The Raven Guard really needs some more lore and love from both GW and the 40K community at large. Yeah, Space Wolves and Raven Guard have a nice relationship; Corvus, after all, saved Leman Russ' life during the Heresy at Yarant. I wouldn't say that they have never recovered from the Dropsite Massacre...that was 10,000 years ago. The real issue with the Raven Guard and their lower numbers (compared to other legions/chapters) is the corruption of their gene-seed (thanks Alpha Legion). Overall, though, the RG has never been a large legion, even before the Heresy, as they really don't need to be, considering their role, tactics, and specialty.
The tank silencer is real, it was made in Germany for use at one particular range they used for testing their mobile artillery because there was a nearby town that was complaining about the deafening noise.
That “tank silencer” was in fact a real prototype but it was for *artillery* not tanks. The local population in Germany got tired of the sound of American and German artillery training with each other. This was the attempted solution.
I had a brief moment where Hot Topic carried stuff I liked. I mainly used it for obscure CDs. They no longer carry music and I no longer collect physical media, but for a bit, I was the guy who bought all the System Syn and God Module stuff.
Like 10 years from now we're gonna be reading a ravenguard book and the first sentence on the page will be I Used to be Guy, I am now Gaius of the Ravenguard's 10th company.
52:56 They make fun of one of the lightning claws being named "Murder" because of how edgy it is. But it isn't "Murder" as in "to kill", but it's "Murder" as in "a group of crows".
Prettymuch, just quieter. They're still Space Marines, their job is still to stack bodies like split firewood, they just like to do it without raising the alarm until the job's already done. The Raven Guard are one of the chapters that has a vague presence in the Spinward Front, so one of the times I employed Space Marines in Only War, it was a squad of Raven Guard clearing out a gun fortress on the down-low while the Imperial Guard was trying to break through. All the Guard knew was that occasionally one of the big scary Punisher Cannons on the gun fortress would just... stop shooting. When they finally got into the fortress, there were just bodies *everywhere*.
I think it's very much a case of picking their fights. They approach silently to limit their target's ability to call reinforcements then hit them as fast as possible using fighters and jump packs, kill everyone present then get out before any help can arrive. It's like Night Lords in that they pick the critical targets with the greatest vulnerability with the slight difference they prefer to go for military commanders rather than infants.
It's sort of a foot note but it always stuck with me just how outcome oriented the Raven Guard are. They review recordings of their battles and probe for even the sleightest mistake so as to correct it for the future. That coupled with them caring very little for accolades or laurels always created a clear image of these ego-less edge lord perfectionist saviors that wanted to min-mo any % crush their opponents as fast and efficiently as possible.
I feel like they forgot about the bit where some raven guard members will just get so depressed. That they just start isolating themselves more and more. Going from anti social to basically you may as well consider them dead cause your never gonna see them again.
The funny thing is that perturabo loved his sister more than anyone else in his adoptive family, because she understood him. but contrary to the corax, he had a temper and choked her in a fit of rage, regretting it afterwards. Corax is way more level-headed, which is, i guess, the point of him. but even he showed his rage on istvan when going against lorgar. i think they should go more in depth about him and konrad being similar and what problems he might have from that.
It's kind of funny but there's a bit of a chain of two loyalists primarchs making a traitor and two traitors making a loyalist. Corvus is Konrad and Alpharius, Konrad is Corvus and Sanguinius while Sanguinius is Konrad and Angron. I find it amusing in the dark warhammer way that Perty killed his sister because she read him perfectly.
My take on the Raven Guard-brand stealth has always been that with the “lightning-fast-assault” archetype of fantasy warfare that space marines in general are based around, you don’t need to stay completely undetected for the entire fight/operation. You just need your opponent to detect you a second too late.
i think one thing that's neat about the legions, is that while they might have been known for one specific trait, that their modern chapter still does, when they were a legion that was just their specialty. they utilized all different kinds of warfare and weapons, even stuff they found distasteful. the Iron Warriors still had light recon the Raven guard still had heavy infantry and siege units the white scars still had chemical weapons and so forth. but when the legions broke up only the chapter that retained the name kept those main traits. while all the successors went with whatever they specialized in.
So, something that’s easily forgotten is that 40K is a Sci-Fi taking place 38,000 years into the future. What seems impossible to us in the present may very well be easily achieved because someone figured it out how to achieve it, and the Imperium is simply replicating it without fully understanding it. So, the Corvus Pattern armor, whose name sake comes from Corvus Corax and is a mainstay of the Raven Guard since the Heresy, may very well be utilizing all sorts of instruments and equipment that we don’t know of to run completely silently. Think of the Tesla cars. Their engines are completely silent despite being cars. It’s not hard to imagine that at some point in the far future someone could have figured out how to get a suit of power armor to do the same, especially a chapter as dedicated to Special Forces tactics as the Raven Guard. Also, that’s another thing. The Raven Guard aren’t just stealth. They’re Special Forces. They perform surgical and decapitating strikes on an unsuspecting enemy. If a Thunderhawk full of Dark Furies (the Horus Heresy models DK was fawning over) flies by, sure the approach will be completely silent but the slaughter that’ll ensue will not. This is also why I love the Raven Guard (and Alpha Legion) so much. They use their super soldiers like they’re supposed to be. Not sitting behind walls, but as javilen driven clean through the heart of the enemy, one with the raw bulk to make sure nothing can stop it.
I’d argue the white scars do the same thing without stealth. They don’t sit behind walls, they’re storm troopers that charge the most important target at ridiculous speeds before you can even figure out what’s happening.
Hunters, snipers, and scouts the world over all learn what is known as the 'hunter's step'. It is a way of walking that allows you to step on branches and leaves without making noise. You can do this in heavy work boots that legit have no true flex in them when you are good at it.
One of my favorite things about Raven Guard that y'all didn't mention is all the references to the Native American cultures. Their way of battle is very "native american" with hiding from the enemy and picking them off from as far away as possible or getting as close to the enemy as they can and forcing them to fight in mele. One of their initiation trials is sending an aspirant onto the surface of Kiavahr where they're tasked with catching a raven whose bones they then use to craft an amulet they carry with them at all times which also doubles as a sachet where they keep small bits and bobs that are important to them. And something which makes them really cool in my eyes is that they give a damn about civilians, they care arguably just as much as the Salamanders. They have a different way of showing that and they're more pragmatic about helping out mortal humans than the Salamanders, but they do care and not being able to help bothers them, makes them angry and sad.
FYI that artillery suppressor is an actual thing a military testing ground was made and over time residences grew up around the base and they complained about the noise so they built the big things to make the 155mm cannons less noisy
Definitely hoping for a short RG character episode. Sharrowkyn and Shrike are some of my favorite characters in the lore and I do wish they had gotten their time in the spotlight this episode.
The new Raven Guard inspired detachment for 10th edition is really fun too. They have an ability that can give a whole infantry unit the infiltrator so you can just plop a whole brick of terminators 9” away from your opponents dudes in game start
That tank silencer is even crazier than you give it credit for. Its actually an artillery silencer. They were put in place at a german test and training range to cut back in covilian noise complaints
35:55 Ninjutsu itself is 'being a ninja' it's not a martial art, it's a survival methodology. Ninjutsu can incorporate martial arts as a means, but a ninja that stays to fight is a dead ninja. However, there is a school called 'Bushin Kahn' Ninjutsu (probably not accurate spelling) that is alot like what you described.
I’ll be painting Raven Guard soon as my first faction. I’m itching to get started! (Update: Painting of my first mini done! Raven Guard Infernus Marine)
I saw an Andean sky burial once! It was super neat! You dont really see the deceased since they're on a big wooden tower. The condors are huuuge though.
I had an instant love'n'interest in the Raptors Successor Chapter the moment I saw lore on them back with the FFG Deathwatch RPG books - They were just so different than the usual space marine chapter... among other things because they tend to field in Scoutmarine Armour way more because they are stealth units just naturally. No heavy powerarmor to try and make silent. Also less ivory-pale spookyfaces with those dark voidpools for eyes, that other Ravenguard related chapters have to deal with.
gotta love the idea of the raven guard using sound dampening foam into their power armor to quiet it when the IG has access to Stummer fields that just dampen all sound almost completely lmao
~12:00 Corax and Russ getting along has some fun parallels, as in the wild wolves and ravens often get along closely, since ravens scavenge from wolf kills, and wolves are sometimes led to carrion by ravens. plus in scandinavian myth, Ravens were symbols of warriors, as well as the messengers of odin.
Here's a thing about this truth trial. Every chapter gives physically and mentally challenging btasks to weed out the weak, but the gene seed and upgrades and extensive training make it possible to overcome inhuman tasks. But here, there is basically nothing that can prepare you. All you can do is be honest with yourself and have the guts to speak your true mind.
The baneblade being a light scout tank is another silly rumor that got started somehow. Scout vehicles are light and fast. Using a baneblade (whose top speed is like 10mph) would be silly. It's a huge target and it moves very slow so it'd be a horrible scout vehicle.
Both of you need to look up the real life versions of a bolter and heavy bolter. The Inkunzi PAW and Neophytou Strike that can be found on the Forgotten Weapons channel here on youtube. It uses a 20mm projectile (HE, HEI, AP, SAPHEI) from the 20mm Vulcan in a short 42mm case that travels at around 1000ft/s. In reality it could easily be suppressed but isnt at the moment. I plan to rectify that in the future when i make my own version
@@cappinjocj9316 I'll be safe like how Brandon Herrera is with his AK 50 prototypes, but more safe than he was when testing his double pipe shotgun he made that nearly exploded in his face.
I find a lot of chapters have taken the slamanders "we actually care about humans" and now it's not that uncommon. The Space Wolves, The Blood Angels, The Black Dragons, lamenters, Raven guard, some of the Ultras..... it's becoming pretty common.
Not really Ultras DO not care about your average citizen , they care about the Empire as a whole The blood angels would defo not save civilians if it meant failing a mission So in the end only three really care about the average people Space wolves, Raven guard and Salamanders Its not common
Finally after one whole month of watching nothing but adaptors ridiculous I have watched every single episode from the first to this one I'm finally up to date
I kind of love the idea of silencer for bolters. It makes sense that .75 is sub-sonic, but after that things get a bit more complicated: self-propelled projectile needs to stay below the speed of sound and what ever this special propellant is, it too must be silent.
I enjoyed the video, and was able to learn more about the legion. I remember the salamanders are more emo than the RG.haha I hope if you do another video you can include named characters that might still be in the setting. Cheers 🤙🏽
I can picture a Raven Gaurd trying to use corspeak to speak with a Sister of Silence, and because they use completely diffrent gestures you end up with the 2 wildly flailing at each other.
Great episode. Also heads up, Dark Angels player incoming. When you mentioned Dark Age tech @51:50, all I could think is that you should do a follow up episode for the Dark Angels that focuses on some of their fancy toys that the Emperor let them have (the Excindio, singularity drives, etc). Not to mention some of their special units like the Cenobium Knights (hint, one of the Risen characters is a Cenobium Knight) and Dreadwing Interemptors (mainly since they use plasma burners, which are basically plasma flamers). Also in the same video you should talk about characters like Corswain and Farith Redloss.
Another notable relic of the raven guard were a pair of seige lightning claws that is theorized to be the primary weapons of Tyberos of the space shark's chapter
I finally figured out what Space Marine Chapter I wanna paint my Minis. Raptor Marines. They are descended from the Raven Guard. Their also called the "Reasonable Marines" because they wear Camo and are generally decent Artistes like the Salamanders are. But they were so reasonable they were declared Heretics. Now they still fight for the Imperium, but they do it on their own terms as nobody can find them if they don't wanna be found. They also team up with the Tau a lot, and general try and work with other reasonable factions, even trying to save Chaos Marines who fell to Chaos with years of psychotherapy.
If the goth-punk vibes of the Ravenguard is "The world is dark, but there can be beauty in that and we will fight to ensure that", then the edginess that people correctly dislike is "the world is dark, so I'll be darker and also that is a justification for me to be a monster".
Trying to silence a bolter is hilarious because even if you make it completely silent, the rounds are still rocket propelled, breaking the sound barrier, and explosive. Even a completely silenced bolter would still roar.
That "tank silencer" is an actual thing, the Bundeswehr use it at an artillery range that's relatively close to civilisation so they came up with that to stop getting constant complaints, its basically a giant structure that the SPG (self propelled artillery, not a tank) drive up to it and attach, its design to contain and slow down the gasses from the muzzle blast of firing, its still dangerously loud but doesn't carry for miles and miles.
I'd be interested in trying out their wine...I suppose I'd really only need a sip of it to feel those affects lmfao. Ravens are genuinely some pretty intelligent animals and very uh personable(attitudes and all that jazz). It'd be cool to see more of these guys and their Primark.
Fun coincidence, in the wild Raven’s and Wolves have learned to be natural friends. Ravens find prey for Wolves and then get to share. There’s even documented accounts of Ravens playing fetch with wolf pups.
This is always one of my favourite nature facts. The idea that two extremly different species make bonds and manage to find a way to help each other in nature is so cool
Didn’t you both leave the exact same comments before on the last video?
@@Deathhawkdown I hope not or I’ve got worse memory problems than I thought hahaha
@@Deathhawkdown I swear I didn't
I'm both very surprised because that's fascinating and also not surprised at all given that those are two of the most intelligent animals.
Surprised Bricky didnt quote corvus talking about that time when he was a young boy and his father took him into the city to see the marching band.
Yea I literally cried when he asked Corvus to be the saviour of the broken, the beaten and the damned. And the foreshadowing of “Will you defeat them? Your demons, and the plans they have made?” Such a good moment.
This is a Black Parade reference, right? (Only know the song I’m passing) 😅
So fun fact. Remember those first 500 members of the Raptor project who weren't messed up? Who as Bricky put it, turned out really good. They formed the Raptors successor chapter, and as a result have more stable geneseed than their parent chapter.
They are also canon "reasonable marines" as they wear drab green armor (often with camo), specialize in snipers and marksmen, and overall act more like actual modern-day special forces in terms of their tactics
Honestly, the raptors successor chapter are underrated
No, the raptors chapters are not from the successful raptors of the raptor project, at least it's never truly confirmed. If they were truly from the raptors of the raptor project, it'd be weirdly stupid decision as the successful raptors of the raptor projects are essentially what you call a "space marine premium upgrade".
If the primaris marine are side grades of the firstborn space marine, raptors from the project are essentially in between primarch and space marine level, just below custodians. The initiates that went under the surgery were able to spar against veterans in a 9:1 ratio, almost completely dominating the veterans in hand to hand combat, even the mutated ones were able to fight a space wolf wulfen(?) in melee fairly easily.
If anything these guys would most likely have either stayed in the main chapter and the raptor chapters were just named in memory of those that died in the project, or the chapter just have a few of the remaining raptor as overseer. Since why would you have one of your best elite squad all be removed from your main legion?
@midnightecho8228 the reason they aren't as good as the full raptor marines is because there wouldn't have been enough of those to make a full chapter. Thus their superior geneseed got mixed with standard Ravenguard geneseed.
Thus they only really got the benefits of more stable geneseed, but lost all the other improvements
Essentially having the superior raptor geneseed has long since been diluted within the chapter, but still had helped them be more stable and less prone to geneseed flaws. Like the only flaw they still have is the super pale skin: none of the other Ravenguard issues are present in the chapter
@@thewerdna Again, still never confirmed raptor chapter are formed by raptors other than it's just a memorial namesake. If there's an excerpt that actually confirms this please do let us know, otherwise it really is just a fan theory; much like how some people now theorized raptors are night lord descendants after them being "wiped out" in 35th millenium instead of just hiding.
But there genseed is not stable as they alos miss the sams organd as the raven guard but they also got depression (not kidding) as a flaw in there geneseed
Basically the thing about the Raven Guard "depression" is that they care about the lives of ordinary humans, but unlike Salamanders they fully realize that galaxy is incredibly fucked place and sometimes they have to sacrifice those they want to protect
So... Salamanders are stupidly optimistic and Raven Guard are stupidly pesymistic?
@@Rapture-nv5vjthey’re realistic and they know everything is fucked up
@@Rapture-nv5vjthe salamanders and raven guards are different sides to the same coin, one will protect everyone at the cost of their own life, the other wants to do the same but understands that is not possible
Basically optimism vs realism
@@Rapture-nv5vjwhen you gotta face Orks Tyrnids and Chaos Gods 4-5 of them then you’d be pretty messed up too especially with you’re genefather gone too they are more realistic and pragmatic tbf on a nicer end rather then act like Iron hands or others who are more brutal and uncaring
@@Rapture-nv5vj When you live in 40k, I don’t think it’s possible to be STUPIDLY pessimistic. Every conceivable level of pessimism in 40k is just realism.
A notable Ravenguard that needs to be talked about in some future episode is Nykona Sharrowkyn. He was a Heresy era marine and considered in the top 5 greatest Astartes fighters in history.
His most notable feat is he is the only known person to kill Lucius without turning into him. Since he felt zero pride doing so, since as he told Lucius himself "It gives me no pleasure to do this. You are nothing to me, simply a rabid dog that needs to be put down."
He also successfully snipes Fulgrim in the head (Fulgrim lives because he's a primarch, and he had the fastest regeneration of any of his brothers second only to Vulcan)
Don't forget that he killed Lucius the second time they fought, he'd already faced him once and was winning. He's basically *the* 30k Raven Guard even more so than Corvus.
Let's not forget, when Corvus confronted Curze and there was a passage from Sevatar's perspective where he describes them moving in the shadows as a trick on the eyes and their sensors were only somewhat making out their shape until they stepped out of the shadows. The Raven Guard put fear into the Night Lords lmao
If I'm not mistaken Curze envied Corvus ability to melt into the shadows.
Sharrowkyn needs an episode. The man who bodies Luscious twice and snipe Fulgrim in the face. He deserves the respect of an episode
isnt he still alive in stasis or something too?
@chucklytell allegedly. He delivered the gene seed to Cawl for the Primaris project, protected by Mangus for a little bit. Then his ship get attacked and gets into a stasis pod or something. His story stops there. So his story is left unfinished
The last member of a pretty cool warband. He also sucker punched Fabius Bile when he was tormenting the Salamander apothecary. I do love the interaction with that apothecary though since Salamanders have basically thermal vision so he just randomly looks up and sees Sharrowkyn hanging from the ceiling.
@americanman3745 which I believe if he was found alive, that would make him the only living loyalist space marine from the Horus heresy. He would also make a great replacement for Shrike, since Shrike wants someone else to take his place. Although idk if Games Workshop will do that since it would mean completely changing their chapter master model
@@AQS521 Technically there's always Bjorn the Fell-handed. I feel like if he woke up he would probably take a leaf from his dad's book/Cypher's where he works as an independent operative putting down CSM. I think I can guess who would be at the top of the list if he finds Lucius is still alive...
The Tank silencer at the end is real. It was designed specifically for use on training ranges in Germany so the sound of gun blasts wouldn't be as intrusive in nearby towns
That is such a more sensible reason than anything I came up with, and I'm both glad and sad to know.
Of course the germans would be so considerate
It's also for heavy artillery, not tanks.
“Children, Deliverence has come. You need not follow my shadow anymore. Rather, it is *I* who shall fallow in yours. For I swear to leave the ravens of Kadvar never more.”
-Corvus Corax.
"HELLOOO i'm here too" -Vulkan
@@thewitch7342 "Vulkan lives" *stomp stomp*
Sky burial is very specific: the body is placed on a special scaffold so that ground scavengers can’t tear the body apart and break the bones. The body should be eaten by birds and the bones are left intact.
I always thought that had to do with cremation
Some sky scavengers eat bones too. There’s one kind of eagle who’s entire diet consists of bone marrow.
Raven Guard Space Marines infiltrating traitor Astartes' base using latest stealth technology.
Traitor Space Marines: "Oh, its just a cardboard box and nothing more."
Snap, crackle, ba-cawk!
From the shadows.
While Solid Raven infiltrated an Alpha Legion base he discovers a conspiracy born from within the Imperium's branch of the Inquisition, while also receiving clues from a Hydra agent claiming to be his biggest fan.
«I heard it softly tapping, like a rapping, of ceramite on my warp covered floor»
For in the end, a cardboard box...is only made of paper.
@@ElStinkador we NEED a 40k version of the Raven starring Lorgar and Corax
Fun fact: darker greens, greys, and especially blues are often better for stealth than pitch black because a black silhouette shows up more easily visually against backgrounds, because pitch black shows up very little in nature
That said, the black paint we use on stuff like stealth bombers helps to counteract radar by absorbing it and converting it into heat, so I like to imagine that's one reason the Ravenguard use black armor
In 40k there is also black armour colouring that completely absorbs light, like completely void. Admittedly it is predominantly used by the deathwatch
@@hammer1349 funny thing is we have something extremely similar IRL with the some of the blackest paints such as Vanta Black, Blk 2. 0, and Blk 3 .0
As that's just how black as a color works, it absorbs visible light rather than bouncing it back like normal colors, iirc Vantablack absorbs around 99.6% of all light and Blk 2. 0 is supposed to be darker than that, so it would still just kinda make them look like a very black smudge in reality.
There's always some form of background lighting or radiation that gives a slight "glow" to things (even human beings "glow" a little bit) so funnily at a certain point except for a few circumstances you would actually be counterintuitively making yourself stick out more by being "too dark" for a dark environment
@baddragonite I have actually experienced that glow, it was very weird with some very strange natural lighting that made my hands glow orange ish
Yes. That and you also stand out like a lemon when viewed through nightvision.
That's why the Raven Guard successor the most obsessed with stealth (who happen to be called Raptors, but not the Raptors of the Heresy-era) wear basically camo-green armor, repaint it when necessary, and go into battle completely silent.
So something that was explained to me is that the skulls each Ravenguard adorns themselves with is from the bird the marine aspirant successfully hunted, and that same skull is recovered whenever possible in the event of the marine's passing on the battlefield. It is a small thing, but does demonstrate fairly empathetic and sentimental side to them, despite what their brooding demeanor might suggest.
The korvia, the bird skull, is pretty much the true mark of becoming a successful aspirant. It is the final test, the catch and kill and small, fast, paranoid bird with nothing but their bare hands. And Shrike caught two of them, though he believes that atleast the second one chose him given that it flew straight at him
@@hammer1349 It's a very cool story as they basically serve as slightly morbid dog tags. Often veteran marines would have a string of them recovered from their fallen brothers until they can return them home. It's interesting that the test there (which you probably know as it's referenced in Shrike's book but for the sake of the wider audience) is not to prove you can catch the bird. That's part of the test but they already know your stealth skills are good. It's a teamwork test.
@@hammer1349 That last part is actually kind of adorable.
Also, just to show how casual Space Marines can be:
In „Son of the Forest“, Zabriel, a Fallen, goes to search for more Fallen to meet up with The Lion and he found them by basically looking up the local Bar of a town. From there followed the trails and found 3 Fallen in like a bunker hiding where they acted like the 3 stooges, played cards and acted like the veteran uncles you have in your Family
2:27 - and so began the legend of Guy Voidfeather - The smallest recorded Space Marine who due to a defect in his geneseed shrunk to a mere 6 feet, but gained super dense musculature and White Scars level quickness. He's just a little guy.
To be fair imagine a human-sized, Astartes-strength Space Marine. Small but even more swift, just as strong and he can even blend in with ordinary humans
Ah, the Wolverine method. Condense all that rage and force into a smaller package, then let it rip (and tear). Seriously though, he must be Uber jacked with ridiculous bone density.
🥺 just a little guy…
*Raven Guard = You won't see them, you won't know they've been there.*
*Night Lords = You won't see them, you will know they've been there.*
*Alpha Legion = You will see them, you won't know they've been there.*
*World Eaters = You will see them, you will know they've been there.*
Grey Knights:
@@xanmontes8715that one is gonna be you’ll see em, but no one else is gonna know they were there.
@@dedman1096 what did you see? Mysterious silver space marines that moved so fast they were practically a blur in the battlefield and fought off an entire planet's worth of xenos that gave you a migraine just by looking in their general direction?
...
Guardsman, I think you need to drink less amasec.
@@xanmontes8715yeah, but I was thinking more that they were gonna kill you and all other witnesses for seeing them
Raven Guard: My Chemical Romance
Night Lords: Slipknot
Alpha Legion: 10 hour loop of the Benny Hill theme
World Eaters: Cannibal Corpse
I know everyone calls the RG emo kids; but I see Corvus and hear Nathan Explosion. Like he’s black metal but he’s a nice guy and has a surprisingly good relationship with his dad. Couple things left out; RG are known for their heavy usage of their neophytes (scouts), they actually do wear less armor and Horus and Perty tried to trick them into it thinking less armor would be a handicap but it just made them more efficient, and it should be pointed out that Shrike actually also loves the RG successor chapter the Knights of the Raven to the point he calls them family and won’t accept infighting between the RG and Knights.
Only old farts still use the term "emo". What decade is this?
Corvus Corax upon leaving the Warp: “I’m sad. It’s too bright. I wanna go back in the warp. Wanting to go outside was a terrible idea, the warp does not judge, it just hates.
Corax when finds Lorgar: “Hey bro, wanna be a dead body?!”
Corax when he sees what the imperium has become: “The pain and depression I feel is so transparent that I’m pretty it has become its own Chaos god by now.”
Local Ogryn: “Aaagh, what’s a chaos goud?”
Ogryn gets shot " WHO IS TEACHING OGRYN ABOUT THE INSIDIOUS SCHEMES OF THE GREAT FOE?! "
Man, I love tts corvus so much
Man, I love tts corvus so much
@@noxion4143 you duplicated yourself
Alternative Ogryn line: "I miss Bob."
What also helps with the stealth is they tend to use Mk6 armor (the one with the beaky helmets), which is lighter weight and quieter. During the crusade most of the other primarchs hated it, while the Raven Guard loved that mk of armor, so much so it is also known as Corvus Pattern Powerarmor
Primarchs: A lighter armor for speed? Cringe.
Corax: I'LL TAKE YOUR ENTIRE STOCK-
The beak also houses a lot more sensors etc than any other armour patterns, increasing situational awareness and battle analysis
In fairness they initially offered it to the Iron Warriors and the Salamanders. Neither is really the target audience for such a product.
@consolescrub4031 In fairness, Perturabo pulled strings to get most of the stock sent to the Raven Guard because he was certain that such an atrophied legion (this was after Gate 42) was going to have problems, and then he could blame their failure partially on the Mk6 armour to get the whole project shelved.
That did not turn out quite how he wanted it to.
@christopherclayton5500 yep, they performed better than usual with the armor, thus ensuring the mk6 saw full production.
Good ol' Peter Turbo. Once again his pettiness activity blows up in his face
Here for some Sharrowkyn! Baddest son of Corvus to ever Ka-kaw!
Snap, crackle, ba-cawk!
From the shadows.
They have to read angel exterminadus now
The acquisition of the korvia is the final test for an aspirant, its not for meditation. Fun fact, Shrike caught 2 of them. The korvia skulls are brought back to Kiavar and buried among the trees, returning the spirits to where they came.
The sable brand somewhat has two stages. The first is the more present voices and whispers of the fallen. The second is when they become belligerent, uncaring for their own safety and actively refusing to follow orders, drawing further and further inside themselves. Eventually they do become practically suicidal and there is rarely recovery from this point. Another fun fact: supposedly this is the reason for the creation of the first Moritat during the great crusade, corax himself authorising it and maximising what marines he has. All legions created moritats following the efficacy of those of the raven.
Wraithslip is very much a rare thing among the raven guard and their successors, like in 40k they are a hanful across all sons of corax. It seems to have some form psychic component to it, willing the enemy to not register their presence in their minds but it is only made better through discipline and training. Muffling their armour etc is stuff they learn as scouts but likely improved upon when in armour.
Stealth isn't their only thing though. A tank doesnt have to be stealthy. Hell, I believe it is the Black Guard successor chapter that makes extensive use of vindicators in sudden and devastating ambushes
As far as i know, the iron hands basically only showed up with a bucket load of terminators backing up Ferrus. The backlash from that mess is what caused the whole cybernetic obsession.
In fairness wraithslipping is one of the strongest powers to have, as shown by Sharrowkyn using it to kill Lucius in a duel. I'd be curious to see what's the prevalence of wraithslipping is compared to other traits like foresight in the Night Lords. The guys who could wraithslip were known as the Mors Deythan I believe and although they have been reinstated after the fall of Cadia, the Lexicanum lists the current number of members as 4.
Its not specific to the Raven Guard themselves, but i was hoping Bricky would bring up the story of the Raven Guard captured by the Tau who withstood psychic interrogation until dozens of Tau were in his mind, then forced his hearts to stop and send a psychic feedback into the interrogators killing them with him
Sounds rad, what's the source?
@@dapperultron1784 I can't remember exactly, it's supposedly an early encounter between the Tau and Space Marines
Problem. Tau don't have psykers (absolutely zero psyker potential, their souls are dim to the point they're somewhat invisible to daemons) so there's an incredibly large hole there
@@HideyoshiKinoshita84 yeah it wasn't through Warp powers but some other means I can't remember to access his mind, maybe something the Ethereals do
I think it's called Broken Sword
I think he's name was Brother-Sergeant Herek Cornix of the Raven Guard.
My boys. My main army is Raven Guard 6th company because I find the idea of space marines who fight for local populaces who are inacting a rebellion fascinating. Though I am buildin my first company and I plan on buying those new scouts for my tenth.
Ravenguard are badass! Definitely unique and underrated and overlooked but I guess that's canonical lol.
Tonight on the Ridiculous Tour:
Bricky reveals his mod for Darktide that replaces all the Daemonhosts with Kuribohs;
DK tells us about his master's thesis in new techniques for maxilofacial surgery
And Shy demonstrates the 3 best ways to cook a waffle.
And as a special patreon exclusive, the whole cast will sing the entire Ring Cycle!
Buckle in for all this excitement and more!
please do more
There can be only 1 best way to cook a waffle.
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" Bird up. " - Brother Sergeant Erik Andreus
Remember that Marneus gave the Raven Guard a load of Primaris reinforcements (including Shrike who crossed the Rubicon Primaris). The Chapter is now back to full strength.
The Raven Guard(and its successors) one of the few(?) chapters that act like actual modern SF(Knightly SF)or well as close at gets. With the Primaris marines they would have loved the phobos power armour and the Vanguard marines archetypes. Also its always funny to me picturing a 7ft Super soldier in bulky power armour doing stealth and that the chapter/legion that excels in stealth but tends to be the GW's punching bag(This hurts me yet its funny at the same time).
If you guys want to do an episode on a Raven Guard character, Nykona Sharrowkyn is your guy. The chaddiest chad of the entire Heresy!
Very happy to see my favorite legion getting some spotlight! The Raven Guard really needs some more lore and love from both GW and the 40K community at large. Yeah, Space Wolves and Raven Guard have a nice relationship; Corvus, after all, saved Leman Russ' life during the Heresy at Yarant.
I wouldn't say that they have never recovered from the Dropsite Massacre...that was 10,000 years ago. The real issue with the Raven Guard and their lower numbers (compared to other legions/chapters) is the corruption of their gene-seed (thanks Alpha Legion). Overall, though, the RG has never been a large legion, even before the Heresy, as they really don't need to be, considering their role, tactics, and specialty.
The tank silencer is real, it was made in Germany for use at one particular range they used for testing their mobile artillery because there was a nearby town that was complaining about the deafening noise.
I'm so glad my bois finally got their episode.
I was convinced they recorded this years ago. Bjt kept it hidden for the bit
That “tank silencer” was in fact a real prototype but it was for *artillery* not tanks. The local population in Germany got tired of the sound of American and German artillery training with each other. This was the attempted solution.
Damn, this might actually be the chapter that tempts me into painting some space marines, these guys are dope.
Also, really simple paint scheme. Go for it my guy. As a Chaos player it’s always good to fight something other than Ultramarines.
I had a brief moment where Hot Topic carried stuff I liked.
I mainly used it for obscure CDs.
They no longer carry music and I no longer collect physical media, but for a bit, I was the guy who bought all the System Syn and God Module stuff.
Like 10 years from now we're gonna be reading a ravenguard book and the first sentence on the page will be I Used to be Guy, I am now Gaius of the Ravenguard's 10th company.
when Bricky talked about the "trifold path of shadows", I legit thought Corvus teaching was gonna be: "bashing a power claw through the skull." 😅
But it’s more; sneak up and bash a lightning claw through the BACK of the skull.
@@cappinjocj9316 ::gork OR mork:: "OI! WRITE DAT DOWN! WRITE DAT DOWN YA GIT!"
52:56 They make fun of one of the lightning claws being named "Murder" because of how edgy it is. But it isn't "Murder" as in "to kill", but it's "Murder" as in "a group of crows".
It does fit both, however.
That damn camera push in on DK talking about the Night Lords. Shy, you've done it again.
I figured the Ravenguard stealth was like Evisor assassins. Can't be seen if there are no witnesses
Snap, crackle, ba-cawk!
From the shadows.
Prettymuch, just quieter. They're still Space Marines, their job is still to stack bodies like split firewood, they just like to do it without raising the alarm until the job's already done. The Raven Guard are one of the chapters that has a vague presence in the Spinward Front, so one of the times I employed Space Marines in Only War, it was a squad of Raven Guard clearing out a gun fortress on the down-low while the Imperial Guard was trying to break through. All the Guard knew was that occasionally one of the big scary Punisher Cannons on the gun fortress would just... stop shooting. When they finally got into the fortress, there were just bodies *everywhere*.
I think it's very much a case of picking their fights. They approach silently to limit their target's ability to call reinforcements then hit them as fast as possible using fighters and jump packs, kill everyone present then get out before any help can arrive. It's like Night Lords in that they pick the critical targets with the greatest vulnerability with the slight difference they prefer to go for military commanders rather than infants.
That's Night Lords stealth.
@@consolescrub4031 "rather than infants." bit slayed me lol
It's sort of a foot note but it always stuck with me just how outcome oriented the Raven Guard are. They review recordings of their battles and probe for even the sleightest mistake so as to correct it for the future. That coupled with them caring very little for accolades or laurels always created a clear image of these ego-less edge lord perfectionist saviors that wanted to min-mo any % crush their opponents as fast and efficiently as possible.
I feel like they forgot about the bit where some raven guard members will just get so depressed. That they just start isolating themselves more and more. Going from anti social to basically you may as well consider them dead cause your never gonna see them again.
Those marines while isolating themselves often take up solo missions.
Similar to the space sharks
"chill of the void"
The funny thing is that perturabo loved his sister more than anyone else in his adoptive family, because she understood him. but contrary to the corax, he had a temper and choked her in a fit of rage, regretting it afterwards.
Corax is way more level-headed, which is, i guess, the point of him. but even he showed his rage on istvan when going against lorgar. i think they should go more in depth about him and konrad being similar and what problems he might have from that.
It's kind of funny but there's a bit of a chain of two loyalists primarchs making a traitor and two traitors making a loyalist. Corvus is Konrad and Alpharius, Konrad is Corvus and Sanguinius while Sanguinius is Konrad and Angron. I find it amusing in the dark warhammer way that Perty killed his sister because she read him perfectly.
Shadow Warden Toretto: we dont have serfs, we have family
My take on the Raven Guard-brand stealth has always been that with the “lightning-fast-assault” archetype of fantasy warfare that space marines in general are based around, you don’t need to stay completely undetected for the entire fight/operation. You just need your opponent to detect you a second too late.
Victorus aut Mortis is honestly my favorite 40k motto, it’s just simple Victory or Death
i think one thing that's neat about the legions, is that while they might have been known for one specific trait, that their modern chapter still does, when they were a legion that was just their specialty. they utilized all different kinds of warfare and weapons, even stuff they found distasteful.
the Iron Warriors still had light recon
the Raven guard still had heavy infantry and siege units
the white scars still had chemical weapons and so forth.
but when the legions broke up only the chapter that retained the name kept those main traits. while all the successors went with whatever they specialized in.
Alot of people overlook this entirely
So, something that’s easily forgotten is that 40K is a Sci-Fi taking place 38,000 years into the future. What seems impossible to us in the present may very well be easily achieved because someone figured it out how to achieve it, and the Imperium is simply replicating it without fully understanding it.
So, the Corvus Pattern armor, whose name sake comes from Corvus Corax and is a mainstay of the Raven Guard since the Heresy, may very well be utilizing all sorts of instruments and equipment that we don’t know of to run completely silently.
Think of the Tesla cars. Their engines are completely silent despite being cars. It’s not hard to imagine that at some point in the far future someone could have figured out how to get a suit of power armor to do the same, especially a chapter as dedicated to Special Forces tactics as the Raven Guard.
Also, that’s another thing. The Raven Guard aren’t just stealth. They’re Special Forces. They perform surgical and decapitating strikes on an unsuspecting enemy. If a Thunderhawk full of Dark Furies (the Horus Heresy models DK was fawning over) flies by, sure the approach will be completely silent but the slaughter that’ll ensue will not.
This is also why I love the Raven Guard (and Alpha Legion) so much. They use their super soldiers like they’re supposed to be. Not sitting behind walls, but as javilen driven clean through the heart of the enemy, one with the raw bulk to make sure nothing can stop it.
The Raven Guard deploy their Marines like the UNSC deploys Spartans and they get similarly successful results
I’d argue the white scars do the same thing without stealth. They don’t sit behind walls, they’re storm troopers that charge the most important target at ridiculous speeds before you can even figure out what’s happening.
Y'know, I'm only halfway through this episode, but the last episode and this one have made me a Ravenguard fan, ngl
"Emo Salamander" is going to be my new band name. Cheers!
Hunters, snipers, and scouts the world over all learn what is known as the 'hunter's step'. It is a way of walking that allows you to step on branches and leaves without making noise. You can do this in heavy work boots that legit have no true flex in them when you are good at it.
My favorite chapter / Legion! Beaks for life!
One of my favorite things about Raven Guard that y'all didn't mention is all the references to the Native American cultures.
Their way of battle is very "native american" with hiding from the enemy and picking them off from as far away as possible or getting as close to the enemy as they can and forcing them to fight in mele. One of their initiation trials is sending an aspirant onto the surface of Kiavahr where they're tasked with catching a raven whose bones they then use to craft an amulet they carry with them at all times which also doubles as a sachet where they keep small bits and bobs that are important to them. And something which makes them really cool in my eyes is that they give a damn about civilians, they care arguably just as much as the Salamanders. They have a different way of showing that and they're more pragmatic about helping out mortal humans than the Salamanders, but they do care and not being able to help bothers them, makes them angry and sad.
I was really excited for this one for some reason, never thought I'd be excited for raven Guard, guess I didn't know enough before! haha, well done!
Can't believe you guy didnt cover one Heresy Era Raven Guard that kill Lucius (before he was the Eternal) and didnt take any joy or pride in that act.
I hope they talk about Commander Shadowsun dunking on the prior chapter master before Shrike
FYI that artillery suppressor is an actual thing a military testing ground was made and over time residences grew up around the base and they complained about the noise so they built the big things to make the 155mm cannons less noisy
LETS GO 'MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE' LEGION!
For Bricky good job on your win on playontabletop.
Definitely hoping for a short RG character episode. Sharrowkyn and Shrike are some of my favorite characters in the lore and I do wish they had gotten their time in the spotlight this episode.
that tank silencer is a real thing. It´s been used to silence a 155mm self propelled howitzer on a shooting range in Meppen, Germany.
"The Raven Guard are like the Alpha Legion, if they were loyalist..."
What do you mean *if* they were loyalist?
The Alpha legion is very confusing
Raven Guard are a favorite legion of mine and I absolutely love their lore and characters. Sharrowkyn is amazing and I love him!
Victorus Aut Mortis!
The new Raven Guard inspired detachment for 10th edition is really fun too. They have an ability that can give a whole infantry unit the infiltrator so you can just plop a whole brick of terminators 9” away from your opponents dudes in game start
Oi those SM sized silencers are huge my guy. If thier "knives" are the the size of short swords.
That tank silencer is even crazier than you give it credit for. Its actually an artillery silencer. They were put in place at a german test and training range to cut back in covilian noise complaints
I like how in the book 'The Geld' they can be heard communicated in the Chaos labyrinth using Raven Clicks. It's a nice bit of flavor
"Jet Black armor, so that helps a lot."
All together now:
Reeeal Ninjas wear blue!
I see you are a fellow enjoyer of Which Ninja
Or dark red or dark green. Whatever worked best for the environment.
35:55 Ninjutsu itself is 'being a ninja' it's not a martial art, it's a survival methodology. Ninjutsu can incorporate martial arts as a means, but a ninja that stays to fight is a dead ninja. However, there is a school called 'Bushin Kahn' Ninjutsu (probably not accurate spelling) that is alot like what you described.
37:35 Real Ninja wear blue. Black only works on hiveworlds who never see starlight because of smog.
@@sheakennedy-ordway1156real ninja do not wear clothes used by Japanese theatre crew outside cases when their task is to infiltrate such theatre
IRL ravens and wolves have a symbiotic relationship, that could be something GW put in, for space wolves and raven guard.
I’ll be painting Raven Guard soon as my first faction. I’m itching to get started!
(Update: Painting of my first mini done! Raven Guard Infernus Marine)
last time I saw this the art looked WAAY different! WOW! I never thought it could look THIS good!
Ravenguard were originally recruited from the Asiatic Dustfields. Asiatic. They're stealthy. Space Ninja.
I saw an Andean sky burial once! It was super neat! You dont really see the deceased since they're on a big wooden tower. The condors are huuuge though.
Very surprised no one caught on that Corvus’s lightning claw being named ‘Murder’ is an alliteration to the phrase “Murder of Crows.”
I had an instant love'n'interest in the Raptors Successor Chapter the moment I saw lore on them back with the FFG Deathwatch RPG books - They were just so different than the usual space marine chapter... among other things because they tend to field in Scoutmarine Armour way more because they are stealth units just naturally. No heavy powerarmor to try and make silent. Also less ivory-pale spookyfaces with those dark voidpools for eyes, that other Ravenguard related chapters have to deal with.
gotta love the idea of the raven guard using sound dampening foam into their power armor to quiet it when the IG has access to Stummer fields that just dampen all sound almost completely lmao
The Raven Guard, finding glory despite tragedy.
So glad to see my favorite chapter getting a video finally :D
~12:00 Corax and Russ getting along has some fun parallels, as in the wild wolves and ravens often get along closely, since ravens scavenge from wolf kills, and wolves are sometimes led to carrion by ravens. plus in scandinavian myth, Ravens were symbols of warriors, as well as the messengers of odin.
Here's a thing about this truth trial. Every chapter gives physically and mentally challenging btasks to weed out the weak, but the gene seed and upgrades and extensive training make it possible to overcome inhuman tasks. But here, there is basically nothing that can prepare you. All you can do is be honest with yourself and have the guts to speak your true mind.
The baneblade being a light scout tank is another silly rumor that got started somehow. Scout vehicles are light and fast. Using a baneblade (whose top speed is like 10mph) would be silly. It's a huge target and it moves very slow so it'd be a horrible scout vehicle.
To be fair, recon by fires is relevant way of conducting recon - this way even Baneblade can be a recon
Bricky... Did an awesome job with your sisters on Play On Table Top. I just watched it yesterday. Love the content guys
Both of you need to look up the real life versions of a bolter and heavy bolter. The Inkunzi PAW and Neophytou Strike that can be found on the Forgotten Weapons channel here on youtube. It uses a 20mm projectile (HE, HEI, AP, SAPHEI) from the 20mm Vulcan in a short 42mm case that travels at around 1000ft/s. In reality it could easily be suppressed but isnt at the moment. I plan to rectify that in the future when i make my own version
That is something that needs to exist. Good luck, don’t blow yourself up please.
@@cappinjocj9316 I'll be safe like how Brandon Herrera is with his AK 50 prototypes, but more safe than he was when testing his double pipe shotgun he made that nearly exploded in his face.
I find a lot of chapters have taken the slamanders "we actually care about humans" and now it's not that uncommon. The Space Wolves, The Blood Angels, The Black Dragons, lamenters, Raven guard, some of the Ultras..... it's becoming pretty common.
Not really
Ultras DO not care about your average citizen , they care about the Empire as a whole
The blood angels would defo not save civilians if it meant failing a mission
So in the end only three really care about the average people
Space wolves, Raven guard and Salamanders
Its not common
Finally after one whole month of watching nothing but adaptors ridiculous I have watched every single episode from the first to this one I'm finally up to date
I kind of love the idea of silencer for bolters. It makes sense that .75 is sub-sonic, but after that things get a bit more complicated: self-propelled projectile needs to stay below the speed of sound and what ever this special propellant is, it too must be silent.
I enjoyed the video, and was able to learn more about the legion. I remember the salamanders are more emo than the RG.haha I hope if you do another video you can include named characters that might still be in the setting. Cheers 🤙🏽
I can picture a Raven Gaurd trying to use corspeak to speak with a Sister of Silence, and because they use completely diffrent gestures you end up with the 2 wildly flailing at each other.
How did they manage to suppress bolters?
The projectiles are rocket propelled! Did they make silent rocket engines?
An episode on malice the chaos god would be fun as he has been popping up a ton recently
Wow! I'm really into the Raven Guard now. Thanks guys!
It was once, ach this podcast isn't just a little podcast anymore! xD Great stuff as ever!
Great episode.
Also heads up, Dark Angels player incoming.
When you mentioned Dark Age tech @51:50, all I could think is that you should do a follow up episode for the Dark Angels that focuses on some of their fancy toys that the Emperor let them have (the Excindio, singularity drives, etc). Not to mention some of their special units like the Cenobium Knights (hint, one of the Risen characters is a Cenobium Knight) and Dreadwing Interemptors (mainly since they use plasma burners, which are basically plasma flamers).
Also in the same video you should talk about characters like Corswain and Farith Redloss.
Y'all should watch Pariah Nexus. I'd love to have Bricky's explanations of things. And DK's reactions.
Another notable relic of the raven guard were a pair of seige lightning claws that is theorized to be the primary weapons of Tyberos of the space shark's chapter
I finally figured out what Space Marine Chapter I wanna paint my Minis.
Raptor Marines.
They are descended from the Raven Guard. Their also called the "Reasonable Marines" because they wear Camo and are generally decent Artistes like the Salamanders are. But they were so reasonable they were declared Heretics. Now they still fight for the Imperium, but they do it on their own terms as nobody can find them if they don't wanna be found. They also team up with the Tau a lot, and general try and work with other reasonable factions, even trying to save Chaos Marines who fell to Chaos with years of psychotherapy.
If the goth-punk vibes of the Ravenguard is "The world is dark, but there can be beauty in that and we will fight to ensure that", then the edginess that people correctly dislike is "the world is dark, so I'll be darker and also that is a justification for me to be a monster".
I don't know, they seem more Native-American than Goth-Punk.
"I am all of me (i am all of me)"
-Luitenit Gerald Maria, The Raven Guard
Trying to silence a bolter is hilarious because even if you make it completely silent, the rounds are still rocket propelled, breaking the sound barrier, and explosive. Even a completely silenced bolter would still roar.
Stalker Silenced Bolt rounds, are just one big slug than a explosive warhead, used on suppressed Bolters
@@MrUzzynator *THUUNK*
That "tank silencer" is an actual thing, the Bundeswehr use it at an artillery range that's relatively close to civilisation so they came up with that to stop getting constant complaints, its basically a giant structure that the SPG (self propelled artillery, not a tank) drive up to it and attach, its design to contain and slow down the gasses from the muzzle blast of firing, its still dangerously loud but doesn't carry for miles and miles.
I'd be interested in trying out their wine...I suppose I'd really only need a sip of it to feel those affects lmfao. Ravens are genuinely some pretty intelligent animals and very uh personable(attitudes and all that jazz). It'd be cool to see more of these guys and their Primark.