That with a Mitsubishi Kinsei was the one. And you probably wanted to go vertical in it with the radial. Both the 61 & 100 could dive but you didn't want to run level with the Americans. You wanted to go back vertical with the Mitsubishi Kinsei even if you dove out of reach for the moment. I believe both might've been sturdier than the any of the Nakajimas including the 84. Too bad for them they didn't get the raw materials to get that turbocharged second stage going.good for the Kinsei. Would've been lively to 12,000 meters . .. . Wouldn't be good for us . . but for the P47N maybe. But I don't think the "Jug" could climb as fast or turn as tight even using the flaps a little. I don't think I'd even follow any good running Ki 100II vertically in a P47N.
If the Ki-61 was given the same level engine as Rolls-Royce Merlin, that could bring out the full potential in the battlefield. However, that was not possible, because the capability of aircraft engine was not well in 1940-1945. By the way, I think the Ki61, 100 and P-47 to be different characteristic fighters. The P-47 is a fighter-bomber and one of the strongest fighters of the air space over 6, 000 meters, for this reason P47 might beat Ki61and Ki61Ⅱin that air space. However, especially Ki100 might fight advantageously to P47 in the air area under 5, 000 meters. Thank you.
@@King07T Yeah the Japanese never got that turbocharged 2nd stage going for the Kinsei so the P47 owned the high altitudes because a turbocharged second stage supercharger was exactly what it had. But even so it could be out-accelerated and out-climbed by the lighter fighters so long as they were within their performance envelope. . .I don't know what capabilities the Ki 100 had for a Hineri Komi maneuver. In interviews with Japanese pilots they sometimes claim the Ki 61 wasn't that maneuverable but I have to assume they are comparing it to the Ki 43 "Oscar" and that it remains more maneuverable than any P 47 within it's performance envelope. So without knowing about that I'd want to keep any Ki 61 or 100 out at the maximum range of my .50 calibers if I were on it's 6 o'clock in any shallow climb. Those 50s give me some distance to work with. . I think I'm still not going to follow any Ki 100 up in a steep vertical climb without knowing what it's capable of, lest I find myself suddenly right in front of it's 20 mm cannons.
King07T I am building a 1/48 Ki61 I Otsu its the old Otaki kit but I have two Hasegawa Ki61 kits to build. The one I am building now is a 19th Sentai 2nd Chutai plane.
Thank you for your comment. The airframe design of Ki61 was excellent. However, that had many problems with the Ha-41 V12 engine. After that the chief designer Takeo Doi started work on replacing the engine with the Kinsei of air cooled radial type.
@@King07Tfunny how the Italians say that the KI-61 was a copy of their Macchi C.205, when the KI-61 handled better and had better maneuverability. The Japanese much improved the design of a DB-601 plane much better than the Italians or the Germans ever could
Love the walkaround. A properly functioning engine in the Ki-61-II and unfettered production would have made for an interesting fighter in 1945 but even in large numbers it would not have been competitive. It's shocking the war lasted as long as it did with Japan being so far behind in industrial capacity with the US.
Thank you for your post. I think what you said is very much true. While the Ki-61 first came out in 1943 and that the Ki-61-Ⅱ with its engine problems came out in 1945.However also in 1945, the water cooled engine was exchanged with a radial air cooled engine which resulted in the Ki-100. In 1945, the Ki-100 did well in fighting against the P-51.
Yes, this is Kawasaki Ki-61!, which is called "Hien"in Japan.I went to watch this Ki-61-II-Kai to Kobe in a hurry last week, because this Ki-61 is only one and this airplane was displayed in Kobe only during few periods!
+King07T There are two Ki-61 in long-term restoration to fly, with plans to build a few extra replicas. img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/Mark12/Album%206/Ki%20-61%20Wangaratta%2016%20March%202008%20Peter%20Arnold%20IMG_1920_zpsl5kf1cp9.jpg
If those plans include producing new DB601/DB605 type engines, ZOMFG that would be incredible. It could open the door to more flying 109s, Ki-61s, Mc.202's, Bf-110, Me-210, etc.
Hee-en would do well for an english speaker. Japanese vowels are pretty similar to spanish ones, if you want to get a grisp on their sound. But "HIstory" and "ENterprise" would do :)
当時は、相当かっこいい戦闘機だと思います。エンジンの生産と整備に足を取られた事で苦労のあった
戦闘機でしたね。私の希望としてはもう一度オリジナルで空を飛ばせてあげたいと思います
コメントありがとうございます
機体設計は素晴らしいですね、発動機に問題がありましたが問題点を改良して
飛ばせてあげたいです
やっぱ飛燕は大戦機の中でもイケメンだと思うわ
液冷戦闘機の中でも最上位の部類ですね！
岐阜県在住者です。
亡くなった私の父が、子供の頃に各務原にある川重の工場に学徒動員で出向き、飛燕のリベット打ちをしていました。
この復元機にも父の手が加わっていたかもしれません・・・・。
大戦末期、空襲警報がかかって同機が飛び立つんですが、大抵エンジン不調で墜落するか、すぐ引き返していたとの事で
子供心にも「あの飛行機はダメだなぁ」と思ったそうです。
余程腕のいい整備兵が入念に手入れしなければまともに飛べなかった様で、ダイムラーではなくユンカースJumoにしておけば
構造が比較的簡単な分もう少しはまともな活躍が出来たのでは？という見方も有ったようです。
コメント感謝します、
お父様が飛燕生産に関わっておられたのは貴重な体験ですね
この時代もうほとんど生の体験を聞けなくなって来たのはとても残念です
ぜひそのお話しは後世に語り継いでいただければと思います
ハ－40/140の信頼性のなさは軍用機としては大きな欠点ですね、
日本にマーリン並みの発動機があったらと当時の技術者がつぶやいたと聞いています
One of my favourite Japanese fighter planes, along with the Mitsubishi J2M Raiden.
Thank you for your comment, You know so much about Japanese fighters!
Wow! Just discovered this beautiful fighter today! Thanks for sharing!
Thank you for your comment!
零戦が力強く勇ましいとすれば
飛燕は細身でイケメン
Sure resembles the German fighter Heinkle 113. Great vid!👍
Very awesome looking fighter!
it is my favorite ww2 japanese fighter aircraft.
Thank you for your comment、I think Ki-61 is one of my favorite ww2 Japanese fighter,too.
I like the Ki 100, Ki 84 and Ki 61 out all the Japanese fighters, it'd be great to see a Ki61 flying again.
I wish this ki-61 able to fly sometime, too!
That with a Mitsubishi Kinsei was the one. And you probably wanted to go vertical in it with the radial. Both the 61 & 100 could dive but you didn't want to run level with the Americans. You wanted to go back vertical with the Mitsubishi Kinsei even if you dove out of reach for the moment. I believe both might've been sturdier than the any of the Nakajimas including the 84. Too bad for them they didn't get the raw materials to get that turbocharged second stage going.good for the Kinsei. Would've been lively to 12,000 meters . .. . Wouldn't be good for us . . but for the P47N maybe. But I don't think the "Jug" could climb as fast or turn as tight even using the flaps a little. I don't think I'd even follow any good running Ki 100II vertically in a P47N.
If the Ki-61 was given the same level engine as Rolls-Royce Merlin, that could bring out the full potential in the battlefield. However, that was not possible, because the capability of aircraft engine was not well in 1940-1945. By the way, I think the Ki61, 100 and P-47 to be different characteristic fighters. The P-47 is a fighter-bomber and one of the strongest fighters of the air space over 6, 000 meters, for this reason P47 might beat Ki61and Ki61Ⅱin that air space. However, especially Ki100 might fight advantageously to P47 in the air area under 5, 000 meters.
Thank you.
@@King07T Yeah the Japanese never got that turbocharged 2nd stage going for the Kinsei so the P47 owned the high altitudes because a turbocharged second stage supercharger was exactly what it had. But even so it could be out-accelerated and out-climbed by the lighter fighters so long as they were within their performance envelope.
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.I don't know what capabilities the Ki 100 had for a Hineri Komi maneuver. In interviews with Japanese pilots they sometimes claim the Ki 61 wasn't that maneuverable but I have to assume they are comparing it to the Ki 43 "Oscar" and that it remains more maneuverable than any P 47 within it's performance envelope. So without knowing about that I'd want to keep any Ki 61 or 100 out at the maximum range of my .50 calibers if I were on it's 6 o'clock in any shallow climb. Those 50s give me some distance to work with.
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I think I'm still not going to follow any Ki 100 up in a steep vertical climb without knowing what it's capable of, lest I find myself suddenly right in front of it's 20 mm cannons.
Shes a beautiful aircraft. Second ONLY to the J7W
Thank you for your comment!
Slick video. Well done.
Thank you for your comment! I am going to make the new video of the another Japanese fighter soon.
The Tony is drop dead sexy. By far my favorite aircraft of all
Thank you for your comment.I love Tony,too!
King07T I am building a 1/48 Ki61 I Otsu its the old Otaki kit but I have two Hasegawa Ki61 kits to build. The one I am building now is a 19th Sentai 2nd Chutai plane.
GREAT VID. BUT WOULD BE BETTER IF SUB TITILES WERE IN ENGLISH. COULD UNDER STAND WHAT WAS BEING POSTED.
very cool looking plane with the V12 ,and was a way better ground-handling plane than any BG109 could ever with to be
Thank you for your comment. The airframe design of Ki61 was excellent. However, that had many problems with the Ha-41 V12 engine. After that the chief designer Takeo Doi started work on replacing the engine with the Kinsei of air cooled radial type.
@@King07Tfunny how the Italians say that the KI-61 was a copy of their Macchi C.205, when the KI-61 handled better and had better maneuverability.
The Japanese much improved the design of a DB-601 plane much better than the Italians or the Germans ever could
Love the walkaround. A properly functioning engine in the Ki-61-II and unfettered production would have made for an interesting fighter in 1945 but even in large numbers it would not have been competitive. It's shocking the war lasted as long as it did with Japan being so far behind in industrial capacity with the US.
Thank you for your post. I think what you said is very much true. While the Ki-61 first came out in 1943 and that the Ki-61-Ⅱ with its engine problems came out in 1945.However also in 1945, the water cooled engine was exchanged with a radial air cooled engine which resulted in the Ki-100. In 1945, the Ki-100 did well in fighting against the P-51.
@@King07T So true. Good comment!
Very nice plane, it is a KI-61 isn't it?
Yes, this is Kawasaki Ki-61!, which is called "Hien"in Japan.I went to watch this Ki-61-II-Kai to Kobe in a hurry last week, because this Ki-61 is only one and this airplane was displayed in Kobe only during few periods!
Nice video.
展示物とするのも良いけど、エンジン稼働させて日本の空を飛ばして欲しいなぁ(;￣ー￣A
たしかにその通りです
完全レストアも大変な労力が要りますが、動態保存となると桁違いの労力と費用が掛かり
さらに法律の問題もあります、でも是非実現して欲しいですね！
I know there's a ki-61 That is currently being restored to airworthy condition. I wanna say it's in Australia or New Zealand
Thank you for your comment. unfortunately there is the Japanese fighter only just a little, I want to see a Ki-44 is remake by reverse-engineering.
King07T there might be a original out there somewhere. The Chinese used them. So did the Thai air force
Yes, I think so. There might be Ki-44 out there somewhere, and someday that should be discovered.
+King07T There are two Ki-61 in long-term restoration to fly, with plans to build a few extra replicas. img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/Mark12/Album%206/Ki%20-61%20Wangaratta%2016%20March%202008%20Peter%20Arnold%20IMG_1920_zpsl5kf1cp9.jpg
If those plans include producing new DB601/DB605 type engines, ZOMFG that would be incredible. It could open the door to more flying 109s, Ki-61s, Mc.202's, Bf-110, Me-210, etc.
Looking forward to Japan's F-3
Thank you for your comment！
Oster Oven Unfortunately Japan stop to make F-3
Was that plane in a lake/ see or so?
Japan’s only v-12 fighter, and very rare too! It looks somewhat German in design.
Thank you for your comment. Ki61 is the important history of Kawasaki.
It used a DB 601 built under license, of course it looks somewhat German.
イタリアのマッキC.205をさらに細身にして表面を滑らかにすると飛燕になる、って感じ
たしかにそんな感じですね！
飛燕」として実用化したのでしょうか？肝心のエンジンが量産できない体制。同エンジン、イタリアでは実用化してたようですが。敗戦後20年経った頃でも、空冷の四輪車、2ストのディーゼル積んだ大型トラックが生産されてましたね。
飛燕のハ-40系液冷発動機は川崎も相当苦労したようですね
手本のダイムラーベンツDB601は複雑高度な設計なのと、戦時中の希少金属不足、熟練工不足も相まって
不良品が連発する事態になりました
個人的は見解ですが、これが平時ならおそらくは苦労しながらも問題解決して
自国の技術としてものに出来たと思っております
また戦後日本の技術力の飛躍的向上はハ-40に限らず、数々の苦渋を教訓にして
持ち前の勤勉さと努力で培った賜物ではないかと想像しています
エンジンの工作には、やはりドイツには敵わなかったんですかね？
この時代日本の工作精度は1段劣ってたと思います
堀越二郎氏の著書によると空冷星形2000馬力級で同等～3年、液冷ではそれ以上遅れていたと書かれてます。
@@King07T 成程そうだったんですね。
腕のいい職人が少量生産したら連合国と同等かそれ以上の精度を出せたとも聞きますが…
How exactly does one pronounce "Hien" though?
The Japanese generally pronounces it "ヒエンHien", but also called Ki-61.
King07T Mmm, what I mean is it more like "Hee-en" with a long E sound, or is the I more pronlinced like when an English speaker says "Hi"?
Hee-en would do well for an english speaker. Japanese vowels are pretty similar to spanish ones, if you want to get a grisp on their sound. But "HIstory" and "ENterprise" would do :)
@@ernstschloss8794 thanks for the clarification! I've been mispronouncing this for years apparently lol, and that's what I was afraid of!
Jejeje they're not easy to begin with. You're welcome
Kawasaki Ki-61hien Extra super.
Thank you for your comment! Ki-61 has a well‐proportioned body.
特に後期型の1型丁がだめだった。試作機時代は高評価だったのにねぇ。量産エンジンとなり、武装と防弾、燃料タンクの追加でだめになってしまった。
これが五式戦闘機となりよみがえる。さっさと決断していれば、100式司偵3型の登場の頃に出現させえることができていたはずだ。
ハ-112（金星）発動機への換装は切羽詰まった挙句の決断だったんですよね
川崎航空機としては何とか液冷で通したかったようですが
首無し機体と追い詰められた戦局がそれを許さなかった
結果は土井武夫主任設計技師の類まれな才能と幸運が重なって名機として蘇ったわけですが
運命というか史実は面白いですね
現在の視点で過去を断ずるのは誰でも言える。
「屁理屈と膏薬は何でもくっ付く」のだから。
外国人多い
三式戦と五式戦の登場順が逆だったら、間違いなく歴史は変わっていた。一式戦の世代交代が早めに進み、二式単戦の一撃離脱戦法が再評価され、四式戦がもうちょっと早い、工業生産力がまだマシな時期に登場していたかもしれない。
ただ、残念ながら戦局をひっくり返すまでは行かないだろうなあ。
星型空冷エンジンで多少空気抵抗が増えても、エンジンパワーで押し切れ！なんて普通は考えない。
考えるのはアメリカくらいだわ。
土井主任設計技師は本来なら空冷金星飛燕（五式戦）はもっと早く実戦投入できたが、液冷発動機部門の涙ぐましい改修努力を見ていたらなかなか言い出せなかったと供述されてますね
それでもついに実践に間に合わなかった零戦64型よりは随分健闘したとは思います
和風メッサーシュミット って言われているけど良い意味で一緒にして欲しくない、
Rensamble, Macchi 202 folgore.
WW2 artifact
Thank you for your comment.I really think so, too!
この洗練された戦闘機がアメリカ側の評価で「イタリア機のコピー。P-40に勝る点はない。」「速度以外のあらゆる点で隼に劣る。」「上昇、運動、加速性能に劣り、簡単に喰える。」などと酷評されているのに驚きました。
コメントありがとうございます、
その通りですね、不思議とアメリカ側の評価は低いですね
考えられる理由は複数あると思いますが
一つはハ-40発動機の出力が規定どおり発揮出来てなかった可能性があり
特に実戦では整備能力の関係で出力低下の度合いが大きかったと考えます
最大出力が10％低下すると最高速度は5％低下する程度ですが
上昇力はおおよそ20％も低下します
そもそも米軍機に対して平均的日本戦闘機は軽量で低空での上昇力と運動性が勝っているのが長所ですが
キ-61は上昇力と加速性能（余剰馬力に関係）がいまいちで
機体強度が優れていたといっても米軍戦闘機も頑丈な造りなので大きなアドバンテージにはなり得なかった
と考えます
結果米軍のキ-61評価が低くなったんでしょう
私感ですがもし飛燕に後期マーリンと同等のは発動機が実装出来ていたら
おそらくBf109Gを遥かに凌駕しP-51Bに迫る性能を発揮できたんじゃなかったかと想像します
とらびすびっくる 「イタリア機（Mc.202）のコピー」というのは流石に最近では払拭されていますが、P40に関してはTAICレポートのP40N型（軽量型）に対しての物ですね。このP40N、日本では二線機のイメージが強いのですが4000m以下の高度では比較的難敵で非常にコストパフォーマンスの良い機体だったのは知られざる事実です。ニューギニアの78・68戦隊の三式戦の不活発な動きは発動機が持っていた病巣（ニッケル不使用・液冷から水冷への改悪等々）・燃料問題や整備状態にもよるのでしょうがB29本土空襲初期の九州防空戦では手厚い整備と警戒網の充実、航空92揮発油・マ弾の潤沢供給、ドイツ製MG151/20装備の一型丙が一定数配備されていた事から非常に活躍しています。
（参照：歴史群像2014年6月号、雑誌「丸」号数失念 TAICレポート［秋本実氏連載］、世界の傑作機No.17、同No.23、同No.39）
コメントありがとうございます、
おっしゃる通りですね、P40も日本軍の評価はいまいちですが、連合軍パイロットからは意外に評価が高いです
スミソニアン博物館の展示機もエントランス正面の一番目立つ場所に天井から吊るして展示しておりました。
三式戦は、パワー不足と重量過大に尽きる。これが五式戦闘機になると軽量化とパワーアップで、カタログ性能を発揮できない四式戦闘機より好まれた。海軍の土方敏夫が目撃した戦闘シーンでは、F6Fを上昇で振り切り逃げ切ったそうだ。三式は上昇が悪かった。
キャノピーから後ろが野暮ったいんだよなぁ・・・
NO SENTIE MARKINGS,!!
sorry, this Ki-61 was displayed at Kobe just before restoration was completed
@@King07T NOTHING TO BE SORRY ABOUT. IF THEY ARE STILL RESTORING IT, SEE IF YOU CAN GET A PHOTO WHEN IT IS DONE. BET IT WILL LOOK GREAT.!! :)