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Deshaun Watson, Josh Allen, Justin Herbert need breakthroughs | Pro Football Talk | NFL on NBC
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Florio has a personal beef against Allen. If you're not Mahonnes what have any quarterback done as far as ultimate success.
I’m certainly no Chargers fan. But I do like watching Herbert throw. But I looked at his stats and he’s at a 67-percent completion percentage, has almost a 3 on his TD-2-INT ratio, and throws well over 4K yards per season. Maybe he was injured last year? I think he only played 13 games but he still threw for a lot of yards. But if you look at Herbert’s mechanics and incredible arm strength you should say, “Wow.” So I’m not convinced the Chargers issues have been his. But as a buddy of mine who was a football coach would say, “That boy could take a squirrel out of a tree at 70 yards.” I loved that expression as it always cracked me up.
Herbert is a stud
As a Chargers fan, it’s what has made his years as a starter so frustrating. He’s got the talent but bad coaching and some untimely decisions by him have led to kinda mediocrity. The hope is Harbaugh fixes that
Yeah he was playing with a fractured finger on his non throwing hand most of the season. Hes a great QB, but Staleys bad defense, coaching, and the inability to run the ball made him and the whole team under achieve. His excuses have been valid. Now that they have Harbaugh, they are focused on running the ball and he doesn’t have excuses anymore
im going to use that expression lol
For such a big arm, he's somehow also averaged less than Tua's worst season of air yards per completion every year except 1 (oddly both occurred in 2021), made when Tua had by far the worst offensive line in the league, no running game, and bottom of league in WR separation.
Bruh Josh broke thru in 2020. His defense needs a dang stop in the playoffs.
broke through what?
@@justicestyles being ok to being a top 2 QB. If his defense was better he'd have a sb
Just stop it. His defense got stops. Score a damn TD when it matters. Last year’s divisional round against Mahomes at the end of the game:
- 3 and out and turnover on downs
- punt
- missed FG after Allen is chucking it into the end zone when they needed to drain some clock
If Allen in 3 drives at the end of the game they might have won that game.
He couldn’t do anything against Cincinnati the year before.
The only defense excuse you have is the 13 seconds game. None of that was on Allen, but that and the Pats game is only when Allen ever looked like a “top 2” QB in the playoffs.
@@thatstheway2429 against the chiefs both starting linebackers were out, one starting corner was out and the other corner was playing injured and played terribly. Mahomes didn't have to have a game winning drive because his defense was great. Guess that only applies to him tho we judge Josh differently. Allen set up a 40 yd fg. That should never be missed.
@@jd229 Allen knew that if they made that FG they would have lost anyways.
If you’re THAT guy, you get a TD in one of those drives. Is it an unfair standard? Yes, but that’s what makes greatness in this game.
As a Chargers fan, it would be really nice to have like a 12-5 season and win a playoff game. Hopefully Harbaugh gets us over the hump
Josh Allen doesn’t play defense for the Bills
Correct. He plays defense for the Jaguars
@@smudgeous4068 Yes , we have a winner !
When Chris said, 'He needs to get back there...' and went Russell Wilson, my first thought was 'Joe Burrow'. Can he stay healthy? How's the wrist? Let's see.
DW will need a breakthrough season but does not need to have such a high statistical season.
The fixation may be that he needs 5k yards, 40 TDs, 10 INTs. If the INTs come at critical points, no one is going to care about the rest of the numbers.
Now, if he goes out there and throws for 3800 yards, 26 TDs and 8 INTs but his touchdowns come at critical times in games and leads to 12 wins, id much rather have that.
Expectation for the team as a whole should be to reach the AFC Championship game.
Would love to see him not play, leave the game by any means necessary, and as usual watch the clowns, clown.
@@URRidikalusI hope Deshaun balls this year in fact I think he will
@@derekbrownlee821 you're going to be disappointed, and it's going to be awesome
@@URRidikalus we will soon see
Watson has to have a all star year
I’m a Browns fan and I’ll admit this season will go entirely on how Watson performs.
Watson doesn't care about football or winning. Only himself.
Florio saying Josh Allen needs to “get past” Lamar Jackson is a joke. Bills beat the Ravens 17-3 in 2020.
In the playoffs also
4 years ago...is that all you got? Lol
1 regular season game 4 seasons ago where the refs bailed the bills out every time Josh Allen cries to the refs😂
@@stevenjackson7956they beat them in the playoffs. And Lamar put up 3 points
@@jbolton4973 He has already beaten him in the playoffs lmfao
Herbert and Allen have the same problem. They have to be heroes to get a win to compensate for their respective team flaws.
I’m confident Harbaugh will resolve that problem for Herbert. I’m not confident Allen will get the same help.
They aren’t the same at all. One has been mediocre and a stat padder, the other is a 1st ballot HOFer and the 2nd best QB of his generation…
Stat padder is a dumbass term. Forget about it. You judge teams on their record, players on their stats. Otherwise shit teams with good players would never trade with good teams.
They’re both great. But being the hero doesn’t work in teams sports. Otherwise one of them would have a SB already. They’re both screwed unless the team around them looks better. I have more faith in the chargers fixing their team than the bills currently. We’ll see what they do before the season starts
Lol Tua is 0-6 when the temperature is under 47 degrees. He was 1-6 against playoff teams last year. They feasted on the poor last year. Tua is 6-13 when the Temperature is below 70 degrees. Above 70 degrees he is great! How is he supposed to go to Buffalo or Cincinnati or Kansas City or New England or New York or Baltimore and win late in the year when it really matter and in the playoffs? No I wouldn’t pay Tua anything until he shows me this year that he can do that.
The only playoff team they faced last year without significant offensive line injury was KC in Germany, a game in which Tua and Mahomes had very similar outputs, both held scoreless for a full half, both finishing under 200 passing yards, both offenses finishing with 14 points. After losing the 2nd best center in football 5 snaps into the Titans game, Miami's ability to rush inside or hold blocks for down field routes to develop both were significantly hampered for every one of the cold weather games as well, not to mention half of the defense being injured during that stretch as well.
The same O-Line injury + major offensive output dropoff happened last season when facing the 49ers and Chargers on the road missing 3/2 starters, respectively.
It's not just a Tua issue either. Mahomes with multiple O-Line starters out in the Super Bowl in Tampa: 26/49 (53.1%), 270 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT and that was with prime Kelce and Tyreek
Absolutely Justin Herbert needs to, especially how that he is paired with Harbaugh
its not getting Herbert right, it's getting the defense to at minimum middle of the pack 😭
Herbert does have a win over Patrick Mahomes and Joe Burrow and Tua and Jalen Hurts, but like he said they were not marquee wins.
Justin has consistently held Mahomes lead KC to 1 score games (and OT), even playing them 2x a year. It's a weird take to say division games against Patrick Mahomes are not important.
Joe, Tua and Jalen are lucky to not be in the same division. To go to the playoffs (with good ranking), Justin has to knock off a 3x superbowl champ team. The only good about beating the Chiefs to get to the playoffs, is if/when the Chargers do, they are likely better than anyone else in the AFC or NFC.
Burrow needs to be on this list.
I love Burrow but he needs to stay healthy.
Burrow broke through in his second year.
Based upon the past 4 seasons, Burrow will either lead the Bengals to another AFC Championship Game appearance or miss the last 6+ weeks of the season, finish last in the division, and completely miss the playoffs
The Bengals need to do what the Chargers are doing... Build a really tough Offensive Line.
Joe Cool is wicked effective when healthy.
In 2021 the Ravens were going to tie the game at the end of the 3rd when Taron Johnson had a 101 yd pick 6 to seal the game. Josh Allen has gotten help in big spots
'Going to tie the game' evidently not. So your big bragging point is your Running Back disguised as a Quarterback throwing a pick 6 in crunch time???
@@rpevans64 Chris verbatim said he’s never seen anyone on Buffalo get an interception in the end zone in the playoffs to help out Allen like they did for Burrow, when that literally happened lol. Your comment is incredibly irrelevant. Like impressively irrelevant. You bent over backwards to get that racist point out. Gold star for you!
@@pha5efivemedia
Oh yeah, I forgot. Criticizing a black player for anything is racist. Can’t criticize Jamarcus Russell…that’s racist! 🙄🤦♂️
@@SeiyaSoiya-un4jj Responded to racism with more racism. Okay I’ll bite, you get a gold star too!!
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Are you really fucking grouping Herbert and Watson with Allen?
If the only thing wrong with Justin is his W/L record, I'd say that's a good place to be. He's put up big numbers bottom ranked defense, weak run games, and a bad coach. All out of his control. Remember he is 25-4 if the defense holds the team to 25 points.
Herbert and Allen are great. Both top 5 (imo). Allen is like A-Rod bc he’s a great qb but doesn’t have the team around him. Herbert is ironically like P.Rivers, he’s consistent but also does not have the team around him. Both cannot carry the team on their own, football is a team sport.
Holy…it took about 5 mins to find a good take in these comments
Herbert is not a Top 5 QB. He hasn't won enough to justify that. He also is coming off injury so I don't see how you can say he is a Top 5 QB.
@@brandonbooth3231 Who’s your top 5 might I ask so that I can present an argument
@hotxsourxnxspicy4170 Mahomes, Lamar, Josh, Joe, CJ, Jordan, Goff, Purdy, Dak, Kirk, Herbert
Some injury involved, but 1-6 and 2-4 down the stretch for McDaniel is on a hot seat. Their points allowed is 25% more than the top playoff teams, you think they have to blow up Dallas if they fail again, at least they have an offense and defense some of the time. They scored a lot of points against the 2 bad teams at the bottom of their division, and a bad early Broncos and Panthers. Those 2 bad teams are back loaded, it could go either way beat good team early and bad teams late or lose early and late as the coach and QB get fired. They have hard games early, including the Bills, when it's warm out, if they win those games, they could win the division and compete for #1 because of the easier late schedule.
Miami will only go as far as their offensive line will take them. That line lasted 2/3 of a single game last season. The top 3 members of that line played just 1 other game together 10 weeks later. In both of those games Tua had a 89.9 QBR and Miami won by 50/30, respectively. When Williams was injured, they went from 2nd best to worst in league at center and the offense suffered considerably because of it.
Last season Tua put up a 79+ QBR in 7 of the 11 games played with 4+ starting O-Linemen healthy, with 2 of the 4 that he didn't being games he was concussed in, 1 being his rusty game after returning from concussion vs Pittsburgh, and the last being a solid 54.7 on the road in a 3 point loss in Buffalo in mid December. Miami has never lost a game when Tua has had a 75+ QBR.
Regarding scoring points against the teams at the bottom of the division, both teams were bad due to their offensive lines impacting their ability to sustain drives and score. The Jets were the #3 defense and the Pats were #6 going by football reference's "expected points contributed by all defense", both were top 5 in yards allowed per play, and both were tied for 4th fewest passing TD allowed so offensive success against either team should not be discredited.
Simms stays glazing Josh Allen
Yep i agree, watson has not shown us any high quality football, but when flacco came in, we did get to see high quality football. So that shows that they do have enough weapons on offense. Deshaun just cant seem to use them. And i also agree that this watson contract is one of the dumbest contracts in nfl history.
If we could circle back to the fiasco that is the Atlanta Falcons double QB situation, I would be greatly entertained. Tyvm in advance.
I wouldn’t lump Deshaun into this discussion already because he’s obviously played himself out of the elite over numerous seasons now. This is insulting to Josh Allen.
Yea watson is barely a top 25 qb right now. He shouldn't be in this discussion with these good qbs
The guy has been under a lot of stress lately, with all of the lawsuits coming his way. He deserves a chance to prove himself in a relatively distraction-free environment.
Chris give me a break with all of the the Bills don’t do enough to help Josh Allen. Josh Allen had 22 turnover last year. He threw the ball to the defense 18 times and had 7 fumbles with 4 of them being lost. In the past 5 years the Bills have had a top 5 defense. In 20, 21, 22, the Bills had a top 5 defense. They have an All Pro Edge rusher. They had 2 All Pro safety’s they had 1 All Pro LB and another Pro Bowl LB they had an All Pro CB and an All Pro WR. Allen has a Pro Bowl LT and until this offseason he had a Pro Bowl Center. He has a Pro Bowl RB until this year he had an All Pro WR and he has a Pro Bowl TE and another potential All Pro TE. And in the last 4 years he had a Pro Bowl Left guard. They got Von Miller one of the best pass rushers of all time. They have numerous other 1st round draft picks on that d line. Gregg Rousseau, Ed Oliver. Sooner or later it’s got to be Allen that’s the problem. You can deflect all you want to and blame everything around you. You saw what I just wrote about the Bills I. The last 4 years. You mentioned the Bengals. How many Pro Bowlers and All Pros have been on the Bengals since 2020? I’ll tell you. Burrow, Mixon, Orlando Brown, Trey Hendrickson, Jamar Chase, and Jessie Bates. That’s it dude. And Mixon is no longer there and Bates left in 2022. Last year it was Burrow, Chase, Orlando Brown, and Trey Hendrickson. That’s it dude. The Bills have had at least 2 times as many All Pros and Pro Bowl players in the last 4 years. It’s like the Cowboys with 9 All Pros on the team last year and they get smoked in the wildcard round as usual. Dak was one of the All Pros last year. Dak cannot perform when the chips are down. Josh Allen hasn’t been able to perform when the chips are down either. In 2022 the Bengals came into Buffalo in the snow with 3 BACKUP OFFENSIVE LINEMEN and fucking beat the brakes off of the Bills. Maybe Burrow is a better leader. Burrow can perform when the chips are down. Burrow performs BETTER when the chips are down! Burrow plays better in big games than he does in not so big games. Sooner or later you are going to have to look at Josh Allen. If the Bills go 10-7 this year and Allen throws 20 interceptions and they are bounced in the wildcard round what will be your excuse this time? Better start working on it now because that’s what you have to look forward to.
Someone’s triggered. I would be too if I had that double chin.
They also had their starting O-Line healthy for the entire season last year. Miami's by comparison went for 2/3 of single game.
Where Is Dak And His Breakout Season??
Chris, can you ask your colleague Mike Flores oops I mean Florio, how does it feel to be owned by Demeatrice Lamar Jackson?
Florio you can’t blame Allen for not getting to the SB, that’s a team accomplishment and it hasn’t been on JA17
And as for him getting past Lamar…GTFO
Allen needs to get through Burrow and Mahomes, but he's past Lamar jackson.
Bills window closed when they lost four In a row that’s a curse you don’t break unless you will yourself all the way back and it’s been what 3 decades? Yeah good luck.
even if they dont who cares they all got their 200 mil
So none of these guys have broke through, not one has raised that trophy, mahomes is the only one, burrow got there but can't get through a seaso, I'm a bills fan and allen is in the same boat, but guess what mahimes has these others don't, top5 defense and Andy Reid
I would bet Herbert can throw 75 yards. Heck, he threw one 65 in the air for a touchdown. But Josh Allen can launch it 80. But I have more confidence that Herbert will win a Super Bowl before Allen now. It’s just that, while Harbaugh is a D-k, he does get results. Allen is stuck on a team spinning its wagon wheels.
Allen is a choker
@@milton1448absolutely delusional take and pure idiocy.
@@milton1448 want to explain why?
They all need the big break just like my spleen broke inside me.
Tua? Herbert put that to rest in22. Dolphin fans, so upset they didnt get herbert. If you had herbert you would have been to the super bowl. No excuse having tyreek, waddle and mostert. What did herbet have. Not even close.
Justin Herbert has something Josh Allen, Deshaun Watson, Russell Wilson or Tua don't have. Jim Harbaugh.
Lol......
😂😂Shutup he is not better then Josh just Shutup
@@kiggss What...hit a nerve?
@@kiggss Well through four seasons Herbert has more passing yards, more TD passes, a higher completion % and fewer INTs than Allen in his first four seasons, and Herbert has played 5 fewer games. But whatever.
@@andrewbird57allen literally has the most tds in a 4 year span of any QB in history.
Two organizations absolutely stink and one has Josh Allen so…
Herbert hasn't done ANYTHING!!!! How is he in peoples top 10's???
Go look at all the NFL records he has. He'd be a Bengal if the 2020 draft was re-done.
And once again, Tua is not in the conversation
Why would he be? He isn’t close to Allen or Herbert
Tua is a low end starter in the Geno,Baker,Watson range somewhere between 15-24
@@kingconor897 exactly
@@johnbennett1729 My point exactly
Lmao more Josh Allen ball sucking no he is not a Super Bowl QB. He hasn’t even made one
🤡🤡🤡
All the white QBs need help but when it comes to Lamar they blame it all on him !
Good riddance, Deshaun Watson. Thanks for draft picks, Cleveland. Coming soon to ESPN’s 30-for-30: Houston Texans - From Gropes to Glory!!!
Number 1, without question, is Justin Herbert, because right now he is easily the most overrated QB in football. He's supposed to be this "elite, franchise-changing" QB, and he still doesn't even have a playoff win. It's put up or shut up time for Justin Herbert. I understand having Deshaun Watson as #1, but honestly, I think that ship has sailed. I don't believe that Deshaun Watson is a starting caliber QB anymore. Period. He just isn't good anymore, and I think that the Browns will be drafting a QB in next year's draft. And finally, yes Josh Allen needs a breakthrough, but based on all of the turnover on the Bills defense, I think that it is clear that this is a reset year for the Bills. So I don't expect the Bills to make it to the Super Bowl this year.
You realize that Justin has to get past a 3x Superbowl team to get a decent ranking in the playoffs right? Sorry but most QBs in this situation (who untimely lose to Mahomes in the playoffs) would not fair better in the AFC West.
What if the chargers go 6-12? Is that cuz lack of talent or new coach or cuz Herbert? It’s gunna be tough to decipher at the end of the season
Offense should a downgrade from last year in terms of talent and defense should be better due to scheme would be my guess
NFL 18 game schedule?
Better be Herbert, been hearing about how all of sudden they are better then the Chiefs now, put up or shut up you know
No ones been saying that. At all. They’re in a complete rebuild.
@@salromeri192 ohh how the story changes lol 😂
@@stevecarey4740 it never changed? That’s why your comment doesn’t have 1 like or agreement and mine has many. Unless everyone else forgot that logic and you’re the only correct one right? Thats my 4 year old’s argument too.
@@salromeri192 all we heard about when they signed their new coach is how they going to win win win, but I guess your right, ain’t winning when your trading all the hood of team lmao, keep being the raiders of California lol 😂
@@stevecarey4740 nice one steve.
All three of these QBs are so over-hyped and paid like they have won playoff games and made Superbowl appearances.
You don’t pay quarterbacks on wins, you pay them on talent and value brought to the team. Josh Allen is Buffalo’s offense, just as Lamar is for ravens. Herbert has been the one consistently good thing for the chargers in his tenure.
Allen put his team up with 13 seconds left, then set his kicker up to win the game, defense and special teams let him down.
Okay, so the only Super Bowl winners in the past 3 years have been the stafford and mahomes twice. The superbowl losers were burrow, hurts, and purdy. You think those guys should be the highest paid and everyone who doesn’t make it is overrated? Only 2 teams make a Super Bowl a year😂
@@sethharris1894 the market sets the salary. Dak is going to be paid just like these other guys based on the other salaries. So you think Dak deserves to be paid more than Hurts or Burrow? Yet he has been in the league longer and hasn't led his team on a playoff run?
@@bobbypinkston9374 what about Lamar? He didn't lead his team in that AFC championship? Josh Allen is in a good situation but most QBs won't get the opportunities like him and Burrow. The others aren't surrounded with the same talent. Expectations are nice but after half a decade you should know the ceiling of your talent. Look at Dak in Dallas, he still hasn't been able to win 2 consecutive playoff games, though they win 12 games a year.
@@danielpittijr6283 I think Harbaugh fumbled the opportunity by removing the run from the Ravens game plan. It put everything on him, as they had 27 non-lame rushing yards. So many things need to go right. He also had a receiver fumble into the endzone on what should’ve been a touchdown catch if the guy were smarter. He’s worked with subpar weapons every year.
Dak is exactly like Cousins to me, good enough that you don’t want to reset by moving on, but not good enough to win when it counts. It’s hard, because they’re good, they’re just not great. I don’t feel like they elevate the team around them. The QB market has made guys like GD Daniel Jones rich AF, that should tell you it’s broken. The only teams outside of the superstars that got the contract right to me is Tampa and Seattle. Baker is worth $30M per year, that feels dead on. Geno was worth $25M per year. Pretty much everyone else is overpaid.
Herbert, Allen, and Lamar have gotten a big pass from the media for not winning. Mahomes still had to prove it last season for the umteenth time.
Allen and Lamar have at least lead great teams into the playoffs. Herbert has done nothing relative to how people rate him
@@foxfire1112Herbert has better stats than Lamar and Allen football is a team sport Herbert’s defense has averaged out to be the 24th best since he’s been in the league (4years)
@@kingconor897 That's bc he loses often so he gets to compile meaningless stats when the game doesn't matter. Lamar and Josh are proven winners, teams get to the playoffs when their healthy every season regardless of what's going on around them. Herbert just doesn't measure up at this time.
@@kingconor897 ok. The point is he needs to prove it this year. Why are you so offended over that
@@foxfire1112no emotion in what I said that’s the stats I’m sure if I went to the ravens and bills defense theyre league average at least especially the ravens they’re probably top 10 again point is if Herbert and the O doesn’t drop 27 points per game its an L
Florio doesnt deserve a show. What a hack.
Cleveland = 🗑🔥
Harbaughs coaching style wont translate to the NFL, and realistically he was not that great in college. He ended well but Michigan is a great program and they were still an afterthought for most of those years. He could of stayed and cemented his legacy in college but now he will flop out of the NFL and return in 2 or 3 years. Herbert is great, they will probably win 9 or 10 games and miss the playoffs cause how loaded the AFC is.
This comment is gonna age like an avocado
He literally has gone to a superbowl
Lol, he lost to a crappy Ravens team with a superior squad. Today's NFL is different and has changed since 2013... also the team he is inheriting this time not as good, with a overrated QB. Just facts and what I said is still accurate, would not want him in my building. He left after 3 years of "success" won't last long if he doesn't win.
@@girduncer I think it’s hilarious a random guy on the internet who hasn’t worked in football a day in their lives, thinks because Harbaugh hasn’t been in the NFL since 2013 must means that he doesn’t know what the modern nfl looks like lol as if, Harbaugh and you are sitting at a table and asked to write 10 ways the NFL has changed, you’d have better answers 😂😂😂