Bernard, I like your analysis very much, and especially the section in the video about what we can learn from that swing. This is gold, this has a very big added value. Thanks for taking the time to build that video and sharing with us all.
Believe it or not I Have played a round with Lydia Ko even ate with her! She really is serious about her plays but when she makes mistakes she thinks about what she has done wrong and makes it up on her nexxt shot. She reagathers her really pulls in her right arm and gathers up her stregnth and lets all go at impact and thats why she on.
Yes... I learned that you consider a steep arm plane in the downswing (due to the lower body spinning out) is incredibly amazing by your analysis. I also learned how you constantly go on and on about a swing without ever looking at it in motion or ever identifying the reason for the analysis first and instead just jump into the swing, frame by frame (from the start to the finish), instead of explaining the idiosyncrasies of her swing and how it leads to the overall function of it. If you want to learn about how not to breakdown a swing, this video gives the ultimate appendage. Ugh 😑
I prefer my right handed students to fell the left side clearing and not the right side driving towards the target. This can cause a slide which will in turn cause a push slice.
Very nice swing and analysis. Higher level players often have a problem with their hips(lower body) being too fast on the way down and as a result getting the club "stuck" behind them. Her swing looks prone to this issue. Her hips turn very early and her right foot is off the ground earlier than most pros. Tiger has fought this problem and has attempted to slow the hips to allow his arms to stay in front of him. What do you think?
John, Thanks for your comment. The reason why better players get stuck is the light hip is not clear on the downswing. I this swing Lydia's right hip is fully clear so her arms have a path to swing. As long as she continues being able to clear then she won't get stuck. The another thing we can notice here at the finish is that she is almost fully erect standing upright. You will notice that this cannot happen at the finish if the right hip hangs back a little due to the players trying to maintain their posture to long after impact.
I remember watching this a while ago pre-Leadbetter. Please do an analysis of this versus her Leadbetter changes. Now that she has gone away from Leadbetter, what do you suggest did her.
Hi Bernard, This is all very interesting, thanks for your input on Lydia's swing. Though while it is informative to see what she is doing, to not really know how she is doing it does not really help understand how she creates her swing. To know what conscious moves she makes with her body to get herself to the positions you describe is something we would really need to know to understand what her swing is all about. Any idea about how she moves her body to create her swing..?
Johnny Thanks for watching and your comment. I do not think she has any conscious thought as to what moves first in her swing while she is doing it. I do have a video that covers the first move in the downswing. That is on my channel called downswing sequence. Check that out ua-cam.com/video/j0OqOtkq-Ls/v-deo.html
Bernard Sheridan Hi Bernard, Thanks for getting back so quickly.. neat.. Guess that kind of surprises me you say you think she has no conscious swing thought. I thought everyone at least has something they think of, read that she is big on rhythm drills. Main reason I asked is Michael Breed has a video of Lydia's swing and he says she uses the turn of hips as the first move, saying to act as though your hitting the ball with your hips, but this is just his opinion from what gather, not that Lydia actually said that is what she does..
JohnnyNIght I believe that all great players ingrain their swing keys through drills. This makes them an unconscious thought. Mine is to hit a full finish. Rhythm or tempo drills help a player swing free without thought. Imparts feel and overall feel is how we should play.
I don't think her slightly higher hands "than you would prefer" has anything to do with flexibility. Her old swing (before Ledbetter started working with her) had the left arm at the top right on the shoulder line. But, her clubhead delivery plane often came more above the right elbow plane (and outside-in at times). Leadbetter grooved in an earlier wrist set with closed face takeaway and a slightly higher backswing plane. Now here downswing plane in right on plane every-time now. The optimal position at the top varies from golfer to golfer based on their natural movements. I think Lydia was one of those players who tended to swing too shallow going back and had to reroute at times to get on the ideal delivery plane.
Sir, she is a wonderful player and agree she will make waves on the LPGA tour. Your analysis is not that accurate. Her club on the top of her swing is shut, not partially shut. Not one to emulate and not text book. She has compensations on the downswing and squares her club at impact. How do you see lateral movement from the down the line view. I think your guessing. In order for her to hit a straight ball she must have lateral movement or manipulate her hands.
I love how every so called pro will pause a swing and say how perfect that position is, like you know what your talking about. You go on about how perfectly square she is at the top of the backswing, except you pause it two frames before she's finished. Every single golfer at some stage will be square to the target during the backswing if you pause it at the right moment. Look at john rahm, john Daley the list goes on. Having your club pointing directly square to the target at the top your swing means nothing. Your talking crap.
Whats the point in bringing the club on plane at start of backswing then bringing it over or inside plane with arms through the rest of backswing ...Sure it works for her, but it leaves more work on her to get back on plane...just doesn't make sense,,,
Believe it or not it is less work for her because that is what her body does naturally. The bio mechanics of her build is what helps her repeat the same plane on the downswing.
Thanks for the reply, definitely makes sense.. I'm a by the book player. And sometimes worry that a lot of bio mechanically based swings is altered by instructors making minor changes to swing( i.e compensating - correcting a flaw in a swing with another flaw elsewhere, dtus over complicating "perfect swing" mechanics/ideology, I wonder if she kept it on plane throughout would she hit better...but also wonder if taking the club steeper on backswing allows gravity to speed up club more on downswing and that's why so many player are doing this either naturally or bio-mechanically...All in all, she has a great swing and it works for her, clearly talented..
Great insight. Her body works best as a two plane swinger. Staying on the same plane back as down would make her a one planer. Her body is just not built to do that motion on the back swing.
I'm by no means an expert and I'm new to the whole concept of a two plane swing within one swing.. I must look into it more. Do you have any ideas or reputable links on what type of body type characteristics qualifies a player to be a one planer or two planer... Thanks again, subbed.
66% of all players are two plane swingers. I will be adding a series of videos this summer on bio mechanics in the swing and how to find out what you are as body type. Thanks for subscribing.
Hope no "swing coach" in the future telling her to stop at parallel at the top and not crossing the line. She is swinging great now parallel or not. Everybody has their own variation which makes them great. What does parallel at the top good for? Who writes the rules in a golf swing? NO ONE BUT YOURSELF. Why didn't Furyk let anyone change his swing? You go Lydia! Please don't this western fools screw up your swing!
club in front of the hands after the stack? Clubface square at the top? HELL, NO. Inside and close, that's pretty clear. I think Leads is gonna do a fine job with her.
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FairwayJack Jack if you get some time post one down the line. I would like to see you stay a little more centered on the back swing. This will help you finish with less lean away from the target and have a full weight shift to your front foot at the finish. Otherwise it looks pretty good.
Bernard, thank you for your professional analysis which I enjoyed very much.
Bernard,
I like your analysis very much, and especially the section in the video about what we can learn from that swing. This is gold, this has a very big added value. Thanks for taking the time to build that video and sharing with us all.
Thank you for such kinds words. I am so glad you enjoyed it. Thanks so much for watching
"Our arms must stop lifting when our shoulders stop turning"...excellent advice !!
My pleasure Richard. Thank you for watching and your comment.
Believe it or not I Have played a round with Lydia Ko even ate with her! She really is serious about her plays but when she makes mistakes she thinks about what she has done wrong and makes it up on her nexxt shot. She reagathers her really pulls in her right arm and gathers up her stregnth and lets all go at impact and thats why she on.
Thanks for your comment and watching. Would love to see your swing sometime.
We can learn so much from this swing. Fantastic!
www.golfchannel.com/media/morning-drive-karen-stupples-lydia-ko-driving-102913/
Yes...
I learned that you consider a steep arm plane in the downswing (due to the lower body spinning out) is incredibly amazing by your analysis.
I also learned how you constantly go on and on about a swing without ever looking at it in motion or ever identifying the reason for the analysis first and instead just jump into the swing, frame by frame (from the start to the finish), instead of explaining the idiosyncrasies of her swing and how it leads to the overall function of it.
If you want to learn about how not to breakdown a swing, this video gives the ultimate appendage. Ugh 😑
Very good analysis. On the downswing, do you pull with your left oblique or drive with your right side?
I prefer my right handed students to fell the left side clearing and not the right side driving towards the target. This can cause a slide which will in turn cause a push slice.
Very nice swing and analysis. Higher level players often have a problem with their hips(lower body) being too fast on the way down and as a result getting the club "stuck" behind them. Her swing looks prone to this issue. Her hips turn very early and her right foot is off the ground earlier than most pros. Tiger has fought this problem and has attempted to slow the hips to allow his arms to stay in front of him.
What do you think?
John, Thanks for your comment. The reason why better players get stuck is the light hip is not clear on the downswing. I this swing Lydia's right hip is fully clear so her arms have a path to swing. As long as she continues being able to clear then she won't get stuck. The another thing we can notice here at the finish is that she is almost fully erect standing upright. You will notice that this cannot happen at the finish if the right hip hangs back a little due to the players trying to maintain their posture to long after impact.
Thanks for your comment and watching.
I remember watching this a while ago pre-Leadbetter. Please do an analysis of this versus her Leadbetter changes. Now that she has gone away from Leadbetter, what do you suggest did her.
When I get some time I will. Thanks for watching:)
Hi Bernard, This is all very interesting, thanks for your input on Lydia's swing. Though while it is informative to see what she is doing, to not really know how she is doing it does not really help understand how she creates her swing. To know what conscious moves she makes with her body to get herself to the positions you describe is something we would really need to know to understand what her swing is all about. Any idea about how she moves her body to create her swing..?
Johnny Thanks for watching and your comment. I do not think she has any conscious thought as to what moves first in her swing while she is doing it. I do have a video that covers the first move in the downswing. That is on my channel called downswing sequence. Check that out ua-cam.com/video/j0OqOtkq-Ls/v-deo.html
Bernard Sheridan
Hi Bernard, Thanks for getting back so quickly.. neat.. Guess that kind of surprises me you say you think she has no conscious swing thought. I thought everyone at least has something they think of, read that she is big on rhythm drills. Main reason I asked is Michael Breed has a video of Lydia's swing and he says she uses the turn of hips as the first move, saying to act as though your hitting the ball with your hips, but this is just his opinion from what gather, not that Lydia actually said that is what she does..
Bernard Sheridan Talking about the first move on downswing, guess I left that out.. Thanks
JohnnyNIght I believe that all great players ingrain their swing keys through drills. This makes them an unconscious thought. Mine is to hit a full finish. Rhythm or tempo drills help a player swing free without thought. Imparts feel and overall feel is how we should play.
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damn you know yur stuff dude
can i asked you what software to you use for this fine video slowmotion please ?
Coach's Eye
Thanks for watching
Nice
Is this the 16th at St Andrews?
Yes
Mate I like the way you say "shaft". sheeeehft.
I don't think her slightly higher hands "than you would prefer" has anything to do with flexibility. Her old swing (before Ledbetter started working with her) had the left arm at the top right on the shoulder line. But, her clubhead delivery plane often came more above the right elbow plane (and outside-in at times). Leadbetter grooved in an earlier wrist set with closed face takeaway and a slightly higher backswing plane. Now here downswing plane in right on plane every-time now. The optimal position at the top varies from golfer to golfer based on their natural movements. I think Lydia was one of those players who tended to swing too shallow going back and had to reroute at times to get on the ideal delivery plane.
Sir, she is a wonderful player and agree she will make waves on the LPGA tour. Your analysis is not that accurate. Her club on the top of her swing is shut, not partially shut. Not one to emulate and not text book. She has compensations on the downswing and squares her club at impact. How do you see lateral movement from the down the line view. I think your guessing. In order for her to hit a straight ball she must have lateral movement or manipulate her hands.
Her rotation on the downswing is what helps her square up the club face. If she had more of a lateral move she could not square up as often.
I love how every so called pro will pause a swing and say how perfect that position is, like you know what your talking about. You go on about how perfectly square she is at the top of the backswing, except you pause it two frames before she's finished. Every single golfer at some stage will be square to the target during the backswing if you pause it at the right moment. Look at john rahm, john Daley the list goes on. Having your club pointing directly square to the target at the top your swing means nothing. Your talking crap.
Whats the point in bringing the club on plane at start of backswing then bringing it over or inside plane with arms through the rest of backswing ...Sure it works for her, but it leaves more work on her to get back on plane...just doesn't make sense,,,
Believe it or not it is less work for her because that is what her body does naturally. The bio mechanics of her build is what helps her repeat the same plane on the downswing.
Thanks for the reply, definitely makes sense.. I'm a by the book player. And sometimes worry that a lot of bio mechanically based swings is altered by instructors making minor changes to swing( i.e compensating - correcting a flaw in a swing with another flaw elsewhere, dtus over complicating "perfect swing" mechanics/ideology, I wonder if she kept it on plane throughout would she hit better...but also wonder if taking the club steeper on backswing allows gravity to speed up club more on downswing and that's why so many player are doing this either naturally or bio-mechanically...All in all, she has a great swing and it works for her, clearly talented..
Great insight. Her body works best as a two plane swinger. Staying on the same plane back as down would make her a one planer. Her body is just not built to do that motion on the back swing.
I'm by no means an expert and I'm new to the whole concept of a two plane swing within one swing.. I must look into it more. Do you have any ideas or reputable links on what type of body type characteristics qualifies a player to be a one planer or two planer... Thanks again, subbed.
66% of all players are two plane swingers. I will be adding a series of videos this summer on bio mechanics in the swing and how to find out what you are as body type. Thanks for subscribing.
she is a natural talent? I think it is the hard work.
Hope no "swing coach" in the future telling her to stop at parallel at the top and not crossing the line. She is swinging great now parallel or not. Everybody has their own variation which makes them great. What does parallel at the top good for? Who writes the rules in a golf swing? NO ONE BUT YOURSELF. Why didn't Furyk let anyone change his swing? You go Lydia! Please don't this western fools screw up your swing!
Thanks for your comment. She is a great talent and past parallel is just fine for her.
martinkp76 'Western Fools' - she's a Kiwi...
club in front of the hands after the stack? Clubface square at the top? HELL, NO. Inside and close, that's pretty clear.
I think Leads is gonna do a fine job with her.
very prescient comments
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FairwayJack Jack if you get some time post one down the line. I would like to see you stay a little more centered on the back swing. This will help you finish with less lean away from the target and have a full weight shift to your front foot at the finish. Otherwise it looks pretty good.
Thx Bernard...I will video a few swings from the down the line perspective and post to you shortly...thx again!
Are you Jim's Dad?
No
Bernard Sheridan ok..nice vid, Been reducing par 4's to a drive and a wedge emulating this swing. :)
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Thanks glad it is helping.