See I think that but at the same time. Why does Josh's drumming not match up with the song. Like they muted Josh I don't know how even, though I know it's live 😭✋️
@@Thelittlemermann it’s almost impossible to kit the line and stay there. That’s why it’s probably auto tuned. I do wonder why they did it to that part only though. Wings of Pegasus goes through songs and shows how they are auto tuned. Watching his channel is an education for sure. Most times it’s not up to the performer when it comes to those decisions on a show. At their own concert.. yes.
I've seen videos of Tyler singing in live shows or whatever for years, and his voice is always like that, so didn't even cross my mind think that this wasn't his real voice. He's just a really great singer, and knows how to perform.
Glad you checked out the live performance! Tyler screams in other songs and has executed them perfectly. Can you see if your program shows similar results on other live performances where he screams?
@ I agree! I don’t think it’s faked though. I believe he’s just that good. Still would be cool to see. Your idea of taking a song and adding your interpretation of the lyrics before hearing the actual full song, is really cool. If I could ever help myself from wanting to hear their songs the moment it’s released, it would be fun to try. Chances are 0.0001%. 😅
If you're a good singer as well, a sustained scream is actually relatively simple to keep at pitch. Sustaining notes at pitch is one of the fundamentals of signing and when yup can put your entire body into keeping it there, well there you are, you just have to not _over_ do it.
"who cares it sounds awesome!" i feel you dude, the internet is so brainrotted nowadays that ppl will get upset over every little things and put any appreciation or enjoyability to the side just to prove something only they care about
I’m so glad you guys are such big fans of Twenty One Pilots. I heard your brother reference No Phun Intended in a recent video and thought “oh yeah these guys are BIG fans.” I was blown away by Tyler’s live performance of this song and hope it gets officially released with the scream. 🤞🏼 It’s perfect.
so you’re telling me that the entire song was sung perfectly and they kicked in the auto tune or the background tape for literally 1 note and 1 second?
The only thing that makes me believe the scream is live is that there are no other versions of this song where that scream exists. I guess they could have done it just for this but to knowingly change it seems more sus then just feeling the moment and going for it. I mean he has one of the most incredible voices to begin with so I can't see this as much of a stretch to believe its live
If they recorded it professionally, I'm sure they did, they have some way of inspiring all the tracks individually to a DAW and can edit it in post. That means they can mute all the drums at any point even if Josh is still playing them, and they can mute individual pieces of the kit or individual members of the ensemble. All of this is pre fader from the soundboard meaning they can do any of that live on the recording software while not muting any of it in the actual building (if there was a live audience). Not only that, but they could livestream it legit in real time and then after the Livestream has ended reedit any of the audio or video reformat the video in any way they want and then upload that new file which would then take the place of the said Livestream. So in short it could have been completely on location recorded and Livestreamed and still have things not match up because of post editing and also tune one or two of his notes they thought needed it. Tech is amazing and they still use it on amazing vocalists like Tyler, doesn't mean it's any less REAL or authentic 👌
I don't think a single 'flat' line in the pitch indicates tuning, in fact I'd say the opposite, too many straight lines is a sign of tuning. Nobody would pitch correct a single note in a song and ignore the rest. When songs are pitch corrected, it's always going to be in multiple places. For some reason the people doing the 'correcting' think every note has to be spot on A 440. It's definitely refreshing to see actual live performances though. I watch Wings of Pegasus a lot, and man it's just disappointing how much autotune and pitch correction is just crammed everywhere in modern music, and even in modern releases of older music!
The example of the UA-cam thumbnail you showed was mostly just clickbait. A single person in one of the streamers chats said that and the streamer brought it up and said they disagreed
My hobby is music production and audio engineering and I’ve never seen the program you used, what is it? I can’t believe I’ve never seen something like this
I mean, whether or not its tuned doesn't necessarily have anything to do with whether or not its lip synced. That said, I think that's pretty unlikely. They're good enough to do it live reliably.
@@Micineast "i've watched a lot of them" lmao yeah smart ass just this part because he is going to the b-stage and he never tried to pretend when he is using >BACKING VOCALS< that's why he choose if he wants to do his adlibs in routines or if he just sings with the backing vocals or he just let the crowd sing but literally every song since before josh joined the band tyler likes to show his emotions LIVE especially those slow songs
@Micineast backing vocals is *much* different than lip syncing. We all know they use backing vocals, like most artists do. Especially when they have heavy choreography like Kpop groups or have layered vocals like Tyler does.
Thank you for doing this! I could tell it wasn’t auto tuned because I could hear the difference. It’s interesting that the scream would be though. Does that mean it was recorded and he was lip syncing? Or did they do it while he sang?
I saw a vocal coach analysis which said his software showed the whole thing was heavily autotuned and I just don't hear it. This is a recording made from the audience, maybe there are differences suggesting post production pitch correction rather than live autotune? ua-cam.com/video/6tCuvsrC4t0/v-deo.html For sure some productions seem to have the right to pitch correct live vocals post production, before they release a recording, for example the 'Live from the Royal Albert Hall' performances seem to do that.
That's really interesting! I definitely don't see or hear anything that would suggest the whole thing was pitch corrected. Could you leave a link to that video so I can see how he came to that conclusion? And thanks for linking the audience video! Tyler sounds so good!
@@cameronneal4 He didn't show the software analysis unfortuntely, I believe he only has that on patreon. Nothing against him btw, his video was really interesting. Tyler's my boy, if he uses some auto tune to support the tricky bits in a live performance, I really dont care! I'm just fascinated by the technical side of things 🤓ua-cam.com/video/2uakCarKFzY/v-deo.html
@@Jules-RYeah it was a, "I'm not going to get into why I think that here on UA-cam, only if you pay me through Patreon..." The lengths people will go to to separate others' from their money knows no bounds.
After millions of hour listening to Tyler's amazing voice I 'm 100 p cent sure this is pure live ! No computer needed. He his thas good and very hard working. I-/ 💗
I am not convinced its autotuned just yet, reason is there are a few bands that release songs that aren't as perfectly polished so when they do it live it sounds perfect. Chester Bennington was great at this because he was so amazing they didn't have to autotune him so the moment he did live shows it felt like he was a God amongst other singers. and to me he was but we see this effect work against other artists when they release a autotuned version as their song version and its good but when they are live they are awful and it actually feels like they are robbing us by being so bad live. My advice to any band or artist is to not autotune so much or find a stronger singer so that when you go live one day its not embarrassing. at the end of the day there are a million singers in the world and just because you sound good doesn't make you great, its an actual talent. and it can be learnt , Adam lambert is proof of that.
Logic Pro! It's got a built in stem splitter on my version! Brett (the guy in the middle) tried it on his computer and it doesn't have the option though, so I'm not sure what to think of that!
I’m one of the few who doesn’t prefer the scream version. I like the more fragile voice throughout the studio version. But I do love the live orchestra. But I miss the beat drop after the introduction. Is it possible I’ve listened to both too many times? Thanks for doing this analysis. Tyler has had trouble keeping screams on pitch before, so I guess Blurryface won the battle on pitch correction this time.
Yeah, I think both the scream and the gentle vocals really fit for this song! One more option I didn't mention in the video is that whoever was in charge of the Game Awards might have decided to pitch correct a note without asking! I think that probably happens sometimes.
@@cameronneal4The person who made the arrangement was from Riot games, it would make sense that they would work closely with the artists involved over any changes and it could be either party. Maybe he wanted to do the scream so Riot said sure, or other way around? Who knows, but they did phenomenal.
Haha! You might have not seen the part, but I did say that I can't prove or disprove lip syncing, but I can provide some insight on if the vocals are edited or not! I agree, it would not have been smart to claim I know if it was lip synced based on the stems!
im guessing no one watched it live here but it was live and is currently considered one of the best verisons of it hes done and all of it was live in succession to the show if you didnt wathc the entire aorund 3horus game show the wait inbetween everything was all took a bit to set everything up
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I don't think it was pre-recorded or tuned, i just think that after over 15 years of making music you just learn to sing incredibly perfect
See I think that but at the same time. Why does Josh's drumming not match up with the song. Like they muted Josh I don't know how even, though I know it's live 😭✋️
especially during your literal touring phase
@@Thelittlemermann it’s almost impossible to kit the line and stay there. That’s why it’s probably auto tuned. I do wonder why they did it to that part only though. Wings of Pegasus goes through songs and shows how they are auto tuned. Watching his channel is an education for sure. Most times it’s not up to the performer when it comes to those decisions on a show. At their own concert.. yes.
especially slow songs tyler dont do this with these type of music like we just need to search for videos of their own concerts
@@Midnight_dragonzzzI mean it does match up 💀 idk if you’re watching on a PowerPoint machine but it’s pretty obvious he’s doing it live
The live performance sounds like the studio recorded version but better.
this live was and still one of the best ones i have ever seen in my life.
It's like people are so used to talentless artists that when they hear a genuinely talented singer they just assume it's auto tune
like why we can't just appreciate the performance instead of trying to say its autotune or lip sync lol
@moonchiId. Exactly I just can't stand the way people think nowadays
tbf, tuning the vocals is absolute industry standard, even when it doesn't really make sense to do
I can feel the light shine on MY FAEEECEEE!!
FACCCEEEEEEEE
He’s known for his screams in his music, I’m pretty sure he’s just that good. Dudes a fucking legend.
“I pretty much like everything about that”
Well said brother
twenty one pilots always perform live. You can watch many other videos of them performing. He really does have that voice.
NO WAY
I just finished watching the "singing The Line" video and now you drop this omg
I've seen videos of Tyler singing in live shows or whatever for years, and his voice is always like that, so didn't even cross my mind think that this wasn't his real voice. He's just a really great singer, and knows how to perform.
Glad you checked out the live performance! Tyler screams in other songs and has executed them perfectly.
Can you see if your program shows similar results on other live performances where he screams?
That's a fantastic idea! Yeah, when I've seen them live, his screams sound flawless!
@ I agree! I don’t think it’s faked though. I believe he’s just that good. Still would be cool to see.
Your idea of taking a song and adding your interpretation of the lyrics before hearing the actual full song, is really cool. If I could ever help myself from wanting to hear their songs the moment it’s released, it would be fun to try. Chances are 0.0001%. 😅
If you're a good singer as well, a sustained scream is actually relatively simple to keep at pitch. Sustaining notes at pitch is one of the fundamentals of signing and when yup can put your entire body into keeping it there, well there you are, you just have to not _over_ do it.
that was some really neat insight at the end of the video i actually learned a lot!
"who cares it sounds awesome!" i feel you dude, the internet is so brainrotted nowadays that ppl will get upset over every little things and put any appreciation or enjoyability to the side just to prove something only they care about
I’m so glad you guys are such big fans of Twenty One Pilots. I heard your brother reference No Phun Intended in a recent video and thought “oh yeah these guys are BIG fans.”
I was blown away by Tyler’s live performance of this song and hope it gets officially released with the scream. 🤞🏼 It’s perfect.
so you’re telling me that the entire song was sung perfectly and they kicked in the auto tune or the background tape for literally 1 note and 1 second?
Exactly what I was thinking
The auto tune allegations only makes me prouder of Tyler, the improvement he's had on his vocals is insane
The only thing that makes me believe the scream is live is that there are no other versions of this song where that scream exists. I guess they could have done it just for this but to knowingly change it seems more sus then just feeling the moment and going for it. I mean he has one of the most incredible voices to begin with so I can't see this as much of a stretch to believe its live
I wonder if that straight line could be a symptom of the mic peaking or something like that.
Definitely a possibility! I might clip a mic to test that out!
@@cameronneal4 truly a possibility, but since I saw it was a straight line it just sounds so robotic 😭
@@cameronneal4that would be awesome, I feel like I should know what a mic clipping looks like in terms of frequency but I actually have no idea
i though the same, maybe some kind of compression/noise supression so it doesn't pick too much the instruments?
Imagine singing so good, that nobody believes its real.
If they recorded it professionally, I'm sure they did, they have some way of inspiring all the tracks individually to a DAW and can edit it in post. That means they can mute all the drums at any point even if Josh is still playing them, and they can mute individual pieces of the kit or individual members of the ensemble. All of this is pre fader from the soundboard meaning they can do any of that live on the recording software while not muting any of it in the actual building (if there was a live audience). Not only that, but they could livestream it legit in real time and then after the Livestream has ended reedit any of the audio or video reformat the video in any way they want and then upload that new file which would then take the place of the said Livestream.
So in short it could have been completely on location recorded and Livestreamed and still have things not match up because of post editing and also tune one or two of his notes they thought needed it. Tech is amazing and they still use it on amazing vocalists like Tyler, doesn't mean it's any less REAL or authentic 👌
That scream was amazing
I've been waiting for this!!!
Thank you for listening
no no, he's just THAT good. don't get confused
I don't think a single 'flat' line in the pitch indicates tuning, in fact I'd say the opposite, too many straight lines is a sign of tuning. Nobody would pitch correct a single note in a song and ignore the rest. When songs are pitch corrected, it's always going to be in multiple places. For some reason the people doing the 'correcting' think every note has to be spot on A 440. It's definitely refreshing to see actual live performances though. I watch Wings of Pegasus a lot, and man it's just disappointing how much autotune and pitch correction is just crammed everywhere in modern music, and even in modern releases of older music!
Krl mano o cara de vermelho é o Diogo Defante estadunidense
The example of the UA-cam thumbnail you showed was mostly just clickbait. A single person in one of the streamers chats said that and the streamer brought it up and said they disagreed
My hobby is music production and audio engineering and I’ve never seen the program you used, what is it? I can’t believe I’ve never seen something like this
It's Logic Pro! I just recently switched over from GarageBand now that I finally have a computer new enough to run logic! It's incredible!
I mean, whether or not its tuned doesn't necessarily have anything to do with whether or not its lip synced. That said, I think that's pretty unlikely. They're good enough to do it live reliably.
React to full version with two other singers pleaseeeee❤
You look like a brazilian comedian called Defante
I think he is just that good.
Imagine thinking TØP would lip sync, disrespectful
@@Micineast "i've watched a lot of them" lmao yeah smart ass just this part because he is going to the b-stage and he never tried to pretend when he is using >BACKING VOCALS< that's why he choose if he wants to do his adlibs in routines or if he just sings with the backing vocals or he just let the crowd sing but literally every song since before josh joined the band tyler likes to show his emotions LIVE especially those slow songs
@Micineast backing vocals is *much* different than lip syncing. We all know they use backing vocals, like most artists do. Especially when they have heavy choreography like Kpop groups or have layered vocals like Tyler does.
@@Micineast he sings over backing vocals and instruments no shit 💀
@Micineast ...and I'd say that you are dead wrong 💀
Even if it was lipsync Tyler obviously had to sing it like that at some point in order to lipsync to it.
Thank you for doing this! I could tell it wasn’t auto tuned because I could hear the difference. It’s interesting that the scream would be though. Does that mean it was recorded and he was lip syncing? Or did they do it while he sang?
I'm not sure if analyzing it after using stem splitter will be much accurate.
You're so fkn smart, dude. Like, actually. I would love to kick it in a studio with you.
canta tan bien que creen que es pre grabado
I saw a vocal coach analysis which said his software showed the whole thing was heavily autotuned and I just don't hear it. This is a recording made from the audience, maybe there are differences suggesting post production pitch correction rather than live autotune? ua-cam.com/video/6tCuvsrC4t0/v-deo.html For sure some productions seem to have the right to pitch correct live vocals post production, before they release a recording, for example the 'Live from the Royal Albert Hall' performances seem to do that.
That's really interesting! I definitely don't see or hear anything that would suggest the whole thing was pitch corrected. Could you leave a link to that video so I can see how he came to that conclusion?
And thanks for linking the audience video! Tyler sounds so good!
@@cameronneal4 He didn't show the software analysis unfortuntely, I believe he only has that on patreon. Nothing against him btw, his video was really interesting. Tyler's my boy, if he uses some auto tune to support the tricky bits in a live performance, I really dont care! I'm just fascinated by the technical side of things 🤓ua-cam.com/video/2uakCarKFzY/v-deo.html
@@Jules-RYeah it was a, "I'm not going to get into why I think that here on UA-cam, only if you pay me through Patreon..." The lengths people will go to to separate others' from their money knows no bounds.
After millions of hour listening to Tyler's amazing voice I 'm 100 p cent sure this is pure live ! No computer needed. He his thas good and very hard working. I-/ 💗
Doesn't it look like it's just compressed too much?
I am not convinced its autotuned just yet, reason is there are a few bands that release songs that aren't as perfectly polished so when they do it live it sounds perfect. Chester Bennington was great at this because he was so amazing they didn't have to autotune him so the moment he did live shows it felt like he was a God amongst other singers. and to me he was but we see this effect work against other artists when they release a autotuned version as their song version and its good but when they are live they are awful and it actually feels like they are robbing us by being so bad live.
My advice to any band or artist is to not autotune so much or find a stronger singer so that when you go live one day its not embarrassing. at the end of the day there are a million singers in the world and just because you sound good doesn't make you great, its an actual talent. and it can be learnt , Adam lambert is proof of that.
What software did you use to split the song???
Logic Pro! It's got a built in stem splitter on my version! Brett (the guy in the middle) tried it on his computer and it doesn't have the option though, so I'm not sure what to think of that!
I’m one of the few who doesn’t prefer the scream version. I like the more fragile voice throughout the studio version. But I do love the live orchestra. But I miss the beat drop after the introduction. Is it possible I’ve listened to both too many times?
Thanks for doing this analysis. Tyler has had trouble keeping screams on pitch before, so I guess Blurryface won the battle on pitch correction this time.
Yeah, I think both the scream and the gentle vocals really fit for this song!
One more option I didn't mention in the video is that whoever was in charge of the Game Awards might have decided to pitch correct a note without asking! I think that probably happens sometimes.
@@cameronneal4The person who made the arrangement was from Riot games, it would make sense that they would work closely with the artists involved over any changes and it could be either party. Maybe he wanted to do the scream so Riot said sure, or other way around? Who knows, but they did phenomenal.
@@cameronneal4 or... he's just that good and you're projecting some insecurities maybe?
using software like they do to try and disprove/prove lip-syncing is brainless lol.
Haha! You might have not seen the part, but I did say that I can't prove or disprove lip syncing, but I can provide some insight on if the vocals are edited or not! I agree, it would not have been smart to claim I know if it was lip synced based on the stems!
what's peter parker doing here? 😂
The scream completes the song. The studio version is so inferior.
im guessing no one watched it live here but it was live and is currently considered one of the best verisons of it hes done and all of it was live in succession to the show if you didnt wathc the entire aorund 3horus game show the wait inbetween everything was all took a bit to set everything up