For true lag bolts I agree with you. But more and more the structural fasteners from companies like GRK, Spax and Simpson seem purpose made for impact drivers. Drills will do it faster yes. Impact wrench might be better suited for back to back to back fasteners all day but for the occasional use I think they do a great job.
If you do hundreds of big bolts a day, get an impact wrench. If you do them rarely or occasionally, get an impact driver because the new ones are basically mini impact wrenches as well as drivers.
I’m not in the Dewalt platform, but I like that 20 minute work light feature. Like you said, not a big selling point.. but I wouldn’t mind that being a standard option on impacts Thanks for the video 👍👍
I agree 100%. It’s a nice feature that they include on some their XR stuff. Makita has something similar where you can turn the light on and it just stays on.
When you do decide to test this 860 vs the other brands(Flex, Milwaukee) please test it removing screws that it has driven. From what I have seen this thing kinda struggles with screw removal almost like it doesn’t have as much power as other impacts like the Flex or M18 Fuel. I will say that it definitely has the speed though. It seems to be faster than anything out right now. I feel like Dewalt really focused on the rpm’s and not as much on the torque or power
That’ll be part of it. As for the RPMs the funny thing is that both the flex and the Milwaukee top it in RPMs. From everything I have tested so far it’s got plenty of speed and torque.
I like the theme of first impressions. That's a great idea I haven't seen before. Any tool should be more than performance. Like a chainsaw can be remarkably different from power, comfort, anti vibe, weight, reliability. We should judge more tools from a usability aspect. Great idea, great video.
LOOKING Forward TO YOU GETTING the DCD 1007 and testing it ro see if i want it for my UA-cam channel and i have the new XR 8 AMP Power Pack battery on order too i have run the 9 AMP FLEX VOLT Battery and i swear it gives the 860 more power
Based on the delivery date expectation for this tool I am hoping it ships soon. The 9ah is a beast of a battery. It’s the one I run in the flexvolt saw. So if this new 8ah can do similar things but be a little smaller perhaps it would be a win for the 20v tools.
It’s quite a bit different than what you have on the 887 and the 850 for example. I like it more but I think that ardent users of the old mode might miss it.
@@TinkerWithTools I have the 840 (no setting beyond the trigger) and the 12v driver that has that setting. At first I hated it because I wasn’t used to it and the pause before it begins hitting had me thinking it was hopelessly underpowered. Now that I know to expect the pause, I like it for stubborn little fasteners.
The dcf 899 from 7 years ago.....is a POWERHOUSE amd beats out every other driver ive ever held and ive had all brands in the hand and ive never found one that could match it
Please also test it with the 1.7Ah PowerStack. I prefer the lighter batteries if I don’t need it to run all day long. I’d like to see if it offers similar power with the smaller battery.
When i test the DEWALT against previous DEWALT impact that sort of testing is the plan. I have used it off camera with the 1.7ah and it’s a good fit too.
I also think that it doesn't make sense to include the 8ah battery with this kit, something like 1.7ah or 3 or 4ah compact packs would be much more suitable.
i just wait for the DCF870 Hydralic Quiet Impact driver from Dewalt , i tired for hearing the noisy from normal Impact driver 😅 from the video i have seen the Hydralic won the DCF850 for some how 😂 very impressed
weirdly, the only 870s i've seen in the wild so far have had the old slide-switch control panel. that'd be disappointing if that's not just a preproduction unit quirk
I think Dewalt excellence is based on reliability and comfort of use they all have more than enough power 95 percent of the time I grab my 12 volt Dewalt impact it drives two and a half inch screws just fine. A one or two second difference in driving a screw means nothing to me I would much rather have great ergonomics.
What I appreciate about your comment is that you pointed out that the second or two doesn't mean anything to you, so you grab the tool that works for you. I get that power and speed won't be the defining factor to each person. For me there are times that I grab a Makita impact for certain jobs because that is the impact that is nicest to use for me.
How is the bit wobble in this one. Dewalt have probably got the sloppiest bit holder. It holds fine but it’s just got a lot of slop compared to Bosch or makita.
I compared the Milwaukee, Flex, Bosch Freak, Japanese Makita, American market Makita, and the new DEWALT. The Bosch freak and the Japanese Makita were slight better in side to side play in the standard size bit but they also have a similar characteristic in that they bit is more fully seated in both collets. So more of the bit is supported leading to less movement. Forward and back play was all similar and the rest of the impacts were fair similar. With a 6” bit they all have similar levels of side to side play. I didn’t measure with any sort of tool but I didn’t notice anything that stood out as being better or worse.
Both of their top new tools are kitted that way. While I agree it’s a big battery on the impact driver, getting that battery and a more premium charger for the price of the kit isn’t all that bad considering the bare tool price. Getting the battery and charger for $119 at that point.
Hope this 860 doesn't drop bits like the 840 and 845. Still using my 887 even though it's slower, for this reason. As well as it doesn't get burning hot
I will be reporting anything that I find but some of that is only going to come out with time. I did have one bit get jammed in it a little so far but that happens with just about any impact from time to time when using bigger fasteners. a quick burst in reverse and it came right out.
I appreciate you providing that info. When you use the impact is it only for driving tasks or are you doing drilling too? With fastening, is it all one piece bits, or are you using adapters and sockets for example? just trying to know what things to potentially test.
@@TinkerWithTools it is almost always driving, but I do drill very occasionally. I use one piece, six inch long 7/16 driver bits. I'm driving metal screws into garage door panels and lags into wood. When the 840 and 845 drop the bit it's almost almost right after Fastening something and then I put it on my toolbelt again and then the bit falls
@@skaterhk213 havent got them in australia so couldnt confirm or deny. Also I run 95% makita and some milwaukee and hikoki but the red one is the most powerful.
After I did my live on 4th July this 860 Gets Really Hot even in the GRIP I Noticed that some times it Kicks Down when it gets into a Tough FASTENERS
So far in my testing I think it hasn’t gotten as hot as the Milwaukee does for example. Obviously more testing will clarify the issue more.
I just got my 860. The impact hasn't gotten hot, but the screws get hot real quick from the high RPM. It's a certified beast!
Yeah I have noticed that in the past with stuff like the flex and Milwaukee.
My rule of thumb is use the right to for the job. Impact driver for screws . Impact wrench for bolts. Dryway srewdriver for drywall.
For true lag bolts I agree with you. But more and more the structural fasteners from companies like GRK, Spax and Simpson seem purpose made for impact drivers. Drills will do it faster yes. Impact wrench might be better suited for back to back to back fasteners all day but for the occasional use I think they do a great job.
If you do hundreds of big bolts a day, get an impact wrench. If you do them rarely or occasionally, get an impact driver because the new ones are basically mini impact wrenches as well as drivers.
I’m not in the Dewalt platform, but I like that 20 minute work light feature.
Like you said, not a big selling point.. but I wouldn’t mind that being a standard option on impacts
Thanks for the video 👍👍
I agree 100%. It’s a nice feature that they include on some their XR stuff. Makita has something similar where you can turn the light on and it just stays on.
When you do decide to test this 860 vs the other brands(Flex, Milwaukee) please test it removing screws that it has driven. From what I have seen this thing kinda struggles with screw removal almost like it doesn’t have as much power as other impacts like the Flex or M18 Fuel. I will say that it definitely has the speed though. It seems to be faster than anything out right now. I feel like Dewalt really focused on the rpm’s and not as much on the torque or power
That’ll be part of it. As for the RPMs the funny thing is that both the flex and the Milwaukee top it in RPMs. From everything I have tested so far it’s got plenty of speed and torque.
I like the theme of first impressions. That's a great idea I haven't seen before. Any tool should be more than performance. Like a chainsaw can be remarkably different from power, comfort, anti vibe, weight, reliability. We should judge more tools from a usability aspect. Great idea, great video.
Thanks!
This has been an ‘Impactful’ Video, Tinker! 👍💪🇺🇸😊
Thanks George!
LOOKING Forward TO YOU GETTING the DCD 1007 and testing it ro see if i want it for my UA-cam channel and i have the new XR 8 AMP Power Pack battery on order too i have run the 9 AMP FLEX VOLT Battery and i swear it gives the 860 more power
Based on the delivery date expectation for this tool I am hoping it ships soon. The 9ah is a beast of a battery. It’s the one I run in the flexvolt saw. So if this new 8ah can do similar things but be a little smaller perhaps it would be a win for the 20v tools.
@@TinkerWithTools new 8ah with tabless cell will be a bit weaker than 9ah FV :) but not by a big margin.
I’ve grown to like the Dewalt precision mode. It’s interesting they’ve appeared to refine it further.
It’s quite a bit different than what you have on the 887 and the 850 for example. I like it more but I think that ardent users of the old mode might miss it.
@@TinkerWithTools I have the 840 (no setting beyond the trigger) and the 12v driver that has that setting. At first I hated it because I wasn’t used to it and the pause before it begins hitting had me thinking it was hopelessly underpowered. Now that I know to expect the pause, I like it for stubborn little fasteners.
The dcf 899 from 7 years ago.....is a POWERHOUSE amd beats out every other driver ive ever held and ive had all brands in the hand and ive never found one that could match it
Please also test it with the 1.7Ah PowerStack. I prefer the lighter batteries if I don’t need it to run all day long. I’d like to see if it offers similar power with the smaller battery.
When i test the DEWALT against previous DEWALT impact that sort of testing is the plan. I have used it off camera with the 1.7ah and it’s a good fit too.
I also think that it doesn't make sense to include the 8ah battery with this kit, something like 1.7ah or 3 or 4ah compact packs would be much more suitable.
With the drill it makes sense to me but I agree it’s an odd choice on the impact kit. I bet they will have other kits in the future.
@@TinkerWithTools yeah I think so too :)
i just wait for the DCF870 Hydralic Quiet Impact driver from Dewalt , i tired for hearing the noisy from normal Impact driver 😅 from the video i have seen the Hydralic won the DCF850 for some how 😂 very impressed
Can’t wait. Haven’t seen anything official from DEWALT yet but hopefully soon given the leaks.
weirdly, the only 870s i've seen in the wild so far have had the old slide-switch control panel. that'd be disappointing if that's not just a preproduction unit quirk
I think Dewalt excellence is based on reliability and comfort of use they all have more than enough power 95 percent of the time I grab my 12 volt Dewalt impact it drives two and a half inch screws just fine. A one or two second difference in driving a screw means nothing to me I would much rather have great ergonomics.
What I appreciate about your comment is that you pointed out that the second or two doesn't mean anything to you, so you grab the tool that works for you. I get that power and speed won't be the defining factor to each person. For me there are times that I grab a Makita impact for certain jobs because that is the impact that is nicest to use for me.
How is the bit wobble in this one. Dewalt have probably got the sloppiest bit holder. It holds fine but it’s just got a lot of slop compared to Bosch or makita.
Its hard to beat Bosh and Makita for fit and finish. Some of my favorite brands.
When I am back by the tools later today I will let you know. I haven’t noticed anything negative in early use.
I compared the Milwaukee, Flex, Bosch Freak, Japanese Makita, American market Makita, and the new DEWALT. The Bosch freak and the Japanese Makita were slight better in side to side play in the standard size bit but they also have a similar characteristic in that they bit is more fully seated in both collets. So more of the bit is supported leading to less movement. Forward and back play was all similar and the rest of the impacts were fair similar. With a 6” bit they all have similar levels of side to side play. I didn’t measure with any sort of tool but I didn’t notice anything that stood out as being better or worse.
I’ll try to touch on this in future reviews.
when are the sales? $199 is too expensive.
nice tool BUT i just seen the dewalt 20v dcf-870 new.
Where did you see it?
They're calling it a "chuck collar." Do you have to pull back on the chuck collar to insert the screwdriver bit?
No. It is quick insert.
Why would DeWalt Kit an Impact Driver with that Big 8.0ah Battery ?? I thought for sure it would be one of the PowerStack batteries....
Both of their top new tools are kitted that way. While I agree it’s a big battery on the impact driver, getting that battery and a more premium charger for the price of the kit isn’t all that bad considering the bare tool price. Getting the battery and charger for $119 at that point.
@@TinkerWithTools Oh ABSOLUTELY worth it ...
Hope this 860 doesn't drop bits like the 840 and 845. Still using my 887 even though it's slower, for this reason. As well as it doesn't get burning hot
I will be reporting anything that I find but some of that is only going to come out with time. I did have one bit get jammed in it a little so far but that happens with just about any impact from time to time when using bigger fasteners. a quick burst in reverse and it came right out.
@@TinkerWithTools yeah it will take time, took at least a month for my 840 and 845 to start randomly dropping out the bits while I was working.
I appreciate you providing that info. When you use the impact is it only for driving tasks or are you doing drilling too? With fastening, is it all one piece bits, or are you using adapters and sockets for example? just trying to know what things to potentially test.
@@TinkerWithTools it is almost always driving, but I do drill very occasionally. I use one piece, six inch long 7/16 driver bits. I'm driving metal screws into garage door panels and lags into wood. When the 840 and 845 drop the bit it's almost almost right after Fastening something and then I put it on my toolbelt again and then the bit falls
Good detailed info! Thanks.
I’m wondering where I can buy one of these impact driver?
There are links in the description for where you can buy it in my market. What market are you in?
Did dewalt fix the chuck wobble on this no model??
What sort of wobble are you referring to? Like bit wobble when using a longer bit out on the end?
@@TinkerWithTools correct. Several videos comparing new drills and the tightness/looseness of the chucks. A comparison with this drill would be nice 👍
its decent for beginners
What would you consider an impact driver for experts then?
again it call DEWALT DCF-870 QUIET HYDRAULIC. JUST SEE IT , IT COOL AND NEW.
860 is 850 on steroids
It’s what I hoped the last two DEWALT impact releases would have been.
Chapters please
Let me see what I can come up with.
Ya 199 is definitely a bit pricey
It is. Definitely higher than most of the competition.
wonder why dewalt couldn't surpass the competition On this one...
Based on the comparisons to other videos where I have tested Milwaukee and flex it might just beat both of them.
@@TinkerWithTools waiting On your comparison of the 3 thanks
Bare tool 199 wow!
They swung for the fences on price.
Milwaukee still is king
You spelled flex wrong
@@skaterhk213 havent got them in australia so couldnt confirm or deny. Also I run 95% makita and some milwaukee and hikoki but the red one is the most powerful.
go to UA-cam than put in dewalt dcf-870 let me know ok thanks
I know what the 870 is. I am just curious where you are seeing it.