This is how dominant MJ was. At one point when he was asked to play point guard, he recorded 7 straight triple doubles. Then 3 more to make it 10 triple doubles in 11 games. So if Jordan had the ball in his hands like Lebron he would be absolutely devastating. MJ was an all around player (and I mean on both ends of the court) but his scoring prowess overshadowed all his other skills. Just remember, #1 all time in bocks for a guard #2 all time in steals #3 all time in rebounds for a guard GOAT
And he did it legit. Didn't stat chase, came out when games were decided and only played 13 years....missed almost all 86, 94, most 95 and way beyond his prime w wizards. And stats were real when he played.
That's the most effortless 45 points i think i've ever seen. It literally looked like he was moving in slow motion and jogging around like it couldn't be any easier.
What does that actually even mean.... I mean this is the 90’s. Not the 60’s or the 70’s, Oscar Robertson was ahead of his time. Wilt was ahead of his time. Jordan just dominated, he was just that good. If he played today he would average more than he already did. That’s not even debatable, the defense in the 80’s and 90’s isn’t even remotely comparable to the shit show defense you see today. If you breathe on somebody, it’s a foul. Jordan literally got beat tf up on the way to the rim and still posterized you. They played tough in your face defense in the 90’s. The only thing different about today is the increased height of historically shorter positions. That is literally it. Euro ball has all but taken over the NBA. The status quo of 4’s and 5’s has been changed. And not at all for the better... Big men that should be playing back-to-basket (or at least UNDER the basket) low post ball all playing more of a stretch-4 that want to do nothing but stand outside and shoot 3’s all day while 6’5” guards have to try to get the rebounds because of it. That’s why you have those players averaging 7-8 rebs a game. NOT in any way because they’re that good of a rebounder, not because they can jump that high. But because their incompetent bigs won’t get their asses under the bucket. It’s stupid. 6’10” & up players that are skinny bitches and won’t lift any weights that just wana shoot 3’s all day. Get out. There are no Shaq’s anymore. None. There is no “big” anymore in the original sense of the word. There’s just guards, and tall fowards. Jordan from 1990 would dominate now more than he did IN 1990.
This game was the second last game of the season and it made no difference to playoff standings. Did MJ take the game off like some of today's stars? No way. He was the ultimate competitor and would never take a night off. Just another reason he is the goat
Like UT said, Jordan has more of everything over Bird despite playing with only one HOF'er (until Rodman eventually gets in. Even Bird and Rodman will tell you that Jordan is the best of all time
I have this game on tape, Rick Barry goes on to mention (not sure if you've got the same broadcast/put the clip in) that Jordan could "score 60 points a loooot of times Bob, but he's a very unselfish player...". This was exactly 4 years after his 63 points against the Celtics, if I remember right.
i love how wen he crosses over he doesnt even get low when he has too he can just cross over and get the ball low enough that the defender cant reach down and touch the ball and it just bounces up n his hands which sets himself up for so many other offensive options
2:47 is the difference between today's shitty NBA and the Golden era of the 80's and early 90's. Yea MJ could have jacked up a 3 on Mchale, which is what today's players would have done, but recognizing the mismatch he took Mchale to the hole and scores on a layup. Can't do that today with the ridiculous zone defense which protects guys and makes it look like teams today play good defense. Thank God for all the people who post these "old" games cause the NBA today is unwatchable!
dont sleep on jordans passing ability though. he did play point guard early in his career. im not trying to take anything away from larry bird. he was a monster! i would pick him before any player today. but mike is the greatest. that 63 points in the playoffs vs. a great celtics team is still unmatched
Wow, great move at 2:50. I think Jordan once said that Reggie Lewis was one of his toughest defenders, and look at what he did to him and the whole Celtics defense!
Gervin was in his last season in the NBA clearly out of his prime led the Bulls to a 21-43 without MJ that year (when MJ broke his foot). 9-9 with MJ before the post-season. Oakley was still young and not in his prime (unlike Boston's true "Big three" all together in their primes). Woolridge was in his prime at the time and Pippen wasn't even around back then. And it's a good thing Pippen had MJ giving him 6 titles, cause Pippen was never proven to be a leader :)
+Terrance Stanley What? How old are you? You make me wanna question your knowledge of basketball because Jordan in no way shape or form was head and shoulders better than Bird or Magic. Larry Bird was the better player. Bird was 23-11 vs Jordan and 6-0 in the playoffs against Jordan. In 78-79 the year before Bird came to the Celtics, the Celtics were the worst team in the NBA at 29-53. Bird's first year 78-80 they went from the worst record to the best record in the league with a 61-21 record. Thats plus 32 wins. Bird's 2nd year 80-81 they again had the best record in basketball going 62-20 and won the NBA championship. The next year 81-82 they were 63-19. That's 3 years and each year they won more games than the other. Now lets look at Jordan. In 83-84 the year before Jordan came to the Bulls they were 27-55. Jordan's 1st year 84-85 they were 38-44, still one of the worst records in basketball. Jordan's 2nd year 85-86 they went 30-52, they actually got worse. Well you may say well Jordan got hurt his 2nd year, well let's look at his 3rd year. 86-87 Jordan's 3rd year they went 40-42, still below 500%. So Bird in his first 3 years has a record of 186-60 and an NBA championship along with 3 eastern conference finals appearances. Jordan in his first 3 years has a record of 108-138. No playoff victories, and 0 titles. Facts.
They only said that in 92. But Bird still had a winning record against what some folks call the goat. Sorry...the goat is the best all around player that also makes his team better. By that measure MJ falls short. Bird is the best all around player ever.
+Terrance Stanley true he said that in 86 but didnt say he was the greatest. Wilt Chamberlain, MJ both fit in the same category, unmatched athleticism and big point games. But then Russell and Bird has the winning record against both. Individuals don't win games. BIll Walton said it best after MJ scored 63 pts, which was special, but Walton commented after the same, I'd still rather be a Celtic. Why? Because the team won the game. And of course the Celts swept the Bulls in 86 along with the presumed goat. The goat finds a way to get the team win. Both Magic and Bird got championships immediately for their teams. Jordan had to wait till Bird and Magic were old.
And it's easier to be a team player when you have multiple HOF'ers on your team. Switch MJ and Larry around, it would be Jordan's Celtics, owning Larry's Bulls.
Yep a lot of guys his height don't have that ability. Kobe's cross might look prettier, but MJ's was more on the fly and effective imo (sorry to bring up kobe lol).
Lol it may seem like a great argument that the Bulls only dropped 2 games in '94 but not really. MJ leaves and enter Kukoc and Kerr joining 3 players that were entering their primes - Pippen, Grant and Armstrong. Not much of a surprise they did good that season. But did they win the chip? Again NO.
The way you talk one would think MJ had Pippen, Gervin, Woolridge and Oakley all at the same time and in their primes.. MJ only got to play with Woolridge 1 full season (his rookie year) and few games of the '86 season after coming back from a broken foot earlier than the doctors and Jerry Krause wanted..Gervin? Forget about him, out of his prime, MJ played 18 games with him. Oakley comes in '87 and plays 2 years in Chicago. Pippen comes in '88 not good enough to even crack the starting lineup.
Oh excuse me i didnt realize Rodman single handedly beat the Chicago Bulls 3 years in a row. I thought the Pistons as whole , being one of the greatest defensive teams in Nba history, did it. Bird swept MJ twice? I thought the Celtics as a whole, one of the greatest teams in NBA history, did it. Bird wasnt even Jordan's assignment, he just came to help and got burned. Happens. Bird wouldnt be a lesser clutch player if he didnt hit a GW on Jordan's face. Time to grow up kid.
Rodman was really good, he beat MJ in the playoffs 3 years in a row, the two before that, Bird swept his ass twice, did I mention Bird hit a game winning shot in Jordan's face, yeah, it sucks for you jordan jockers, guess you'll have to live with it :)
Bird didnt have McHale, Parrish or DJ in his rookie seaosn but he had solid contributions from 3 other HOF - Dave Cowens, Tiny and Pistol (for 26 games), so dont act like he did it all by himself. MJ never had proven HOF in his younger years. MJ had 45 pts on 72% from the field while almost getting a triple double in just 35 minutes. Yeah it was his fault the Bulls lost..Shut your trap
Wow no need to get all defensive on me buddy.. Dave Cowens and Tiny Archibald 2 HOF no matter what you say. If they were 33 i'd rule them out, but they were barely 31 giving experience and solid contributions to help the team. Cowens 14ppg, 8 reb, 1stl, 1blk. Tiny 14ppg, 8 ast, 1stl. Cedric Maxwell 17ppg on 61% FG!! 9 reb, 1stl, 1blk Pete Maravich (26 games) 11.5ppg on 49% FG. Man if that's not help i dont know what is.. Look at you hanging to what Bird did in college lol, did he win a chip?
Yes Rodman was a crucial adition to the team in '96. He also missed about 20 games that season i wonder why.. If Jordan wasnt a general on that team Rodman would probably ride that team out of the NBA. And again if there's no Jordan in '96 it wasnt gonna be Rodman to get them a chip. Lol at Jordan never being able to beat a healthy Larry Bird. On top of it being false, you forget it wasnt Bird. It was a team filled with HOFers. Jordan didnt have even one.
Prime Bird, DJ, McHale, Ainge and Boston > MJ. Pistons had prime Dumars, Rodman, and Isiah which is greater than Jordan and a young Pippen. And how dare the Celtics have to resort to a game-winning shot by Bird over that lousy Bulls team who made the playoffs with a losing record. Luckily for them MJ didn't have 3 shots when fouled beyond the arc in the game he scored 63 on them down 2 with no time left. Congrats Merkin on showing a rare Jordan choke (yes I said that)
Nice argument jordan jocker, but MJ had Kukoc and Kerr when he choked against the Magic in game one, and they still didn't win as many games with MJ in the playoffs than the year before without him. I posted the the jordan choke for your viewing pleasure, it's priceless just pass the fucking ball MJ :)
Mj had Pippen, George Gervin all hall of famers and he also had 20+ ppg scorers like Orlando Woolridge and 2nd leading rebounder in the league Oakley, still couldn't do nothing. If Bird had Oakley, Woolridge and Pippen, no doubt they win the championship, he did after all take Boston to the best record his rookie year without Mchale, Parrish, DJ and Ainge. Because Birds' the greatest team player, he knew jacking up shots doesn't win championships. It's a good thing mj got pippen to show him
and the Bulls only drop 2 games worse without Jordan in 94, damn, How's that for an MVP, and they win more playoff games that year than with Jordan on there team in 95, they get Rodman and he puts them over the top with his great defense, rebounding and hustle. Just like he kicked MJ's ass 3 years in a row in the playoffs and Bird swept MJs ass 2 years in a row before that ;)
Bulls added some pieces in 1993-94. 1994-95, the Bulls (34-31) were probably not going to be in the playoffs until MJ came back and the Bulls went on a 13-4 record. Now imagine that 13-4 string over a full year....Bulls draw an easier team than the Magic and may have faced Hakeem's Rockets in the NBA Finals. Could of also happened in 1996 as well. Sad thing was the Bulls without Jordan were a 2nd round out the same year they lost 2 fewer games to a Knicks team they never lost to with Jordan.
And let's not forget their 2nd round exit to the Knicks. That never happened in the Jordan era. And don't forget the borderline playoff 34-31Bulls before MJ came back in 95. Bulls go 13-4 and into the playoffs. Had MJ been with the Bulls that entire time, a lot better record, playoff position, and a possible showdown with Hakeem's Rockets. Following 3 years, MJ plays a full season, the rest....we all know what happens
Yeah, and Jordan leaves in 94, and the Bulls only drop 2 games worse and they win more playoff games than they do in 95 with Jordan in the lineup, hows that for a MVP, they only drop 2 games worse? They get Rodman the next year and he puts them over the top with his great defense and hustle. MJ's a fucking ball hog and never could beat a healthy Bird and check this out" Larry Bird hits Game Winner in Jordan's Face" look it up on youtube, deal with it Jordan Jocker ;)
MERKIN MUFFLY CALLING PEOPLE JORDAN JOCKER AND ALL HE'S TALKING ABOUT IS LARRY BIRD.REGARDLESS OF HOW ANYONE FEELS,WE MUST ACCEPT THEY DIDN'T NAME HIM LARRY LEGEND FOR NO REASON,BUT YET AND STILL CHICAGO WENT ON TO WIN SIX NBA TITLES AND WAS NEVER BEATEN IN THE FINALS...WE ALL HAVE OUR DIFFERENT OPINIONS OF WHO WE LIKE SO LET'S LEAVE IT AT THAT.....M AIR J (23) THOUGH,LOL....!
more proof why its dumb to put kobe and mj in the same sentence.Micheal was more efficient as a scorer,a more sneaky/snakey defender...obviously passed more[his asst. per game avg 4 his career is better than kobes],also stole more often[3 time steal champion]... and faced handchecks and no 3 second rule.oh yeah...double double king also....
Rodman put them over the top? He was certainly important, but let's be honest, you take MJ off the second three-peat team and they are a second round playoff team at best. This is just silly contrarianism. Look at the 98 team. Rodman was pretty much at the end, Pippen was injured all year, Kukoc wasn't playing all that well, but Jordan would not let them lose. Watch game 7 or the eastern conference finals against the Pacers and try to hold to your childish nonsense.
And as usual, Boston wins, MJ proves again he's the king of ballhogging and not a great team player like Bird. Check out my video on youtube that shows MJ getting punked by Bird: watch?v=a3lAuohZvnE
Bird was 23-11 vs Jordan and 6-0 in the playoffs against Jordan. In 78-79 the year before Bird came to the Celtics, the Celtics were the worst team in the NBA at 29-53. Bird's first year 78-80 they went from the worst record to the best record in the league with a 61-21 record. Thats plus 32 wins. Bird's 2nd year 80-81 they again had the best record in basketball going 62-20 and won the NBA championship. The next year 81-82 they were 63-19. That's 3 years and each year they won more games than the other. Now lets look at Jordan. In 83-84 the year before Jordan came to the Bulls they were 27-55. Jordan's 1st year 84-85 they were 38-44, still one of the worst records in basketball. Jordan's 2nd year 85-86 they went 30-52, they actually got worse. Well you may say well Jordan got hurt his 2nd year, well let's look at his 3rd year. 86-87 Jordan's 3rd year they went 40-42, still below 500%. So Bird in his first 3 years has a record of 186-60 and an NBA championship along with 3 eastern conference finals appearances. Jordan in his first 3 years has a record of 108-138. No playoff victories, and 0 titles. Facts.
Ty Wilson Yea, 5 HOF player's against a 23 yr old with a bunch of drug addicts and has been. And Goin up against a team that just won 67 and 63 Game's in the regular season...Shidd, they were supposed to beat the Bulls. C'mon man stop being a DumbAss!
Ty Wilson - cherry picked facts. Jordan was still one man and a guard at that. The increase in wins actually is amazing - almost never does just one player change things on a team that terrible and for a 27-55 team to go up that many games represents a large margin, more than could reasonably be expected. Oh but wait, there are a few other caveats. Let's look behind the curtains for a second - In the '84 - '89 seasons which are his first 5 seasons, MJ had - - 43 different teammates - 3 different starters EACH season - 3 different coaches that were not Phil Jackson With that little stability and constantly rotating teammates, nobody could possibly win and yet for the Bulls to actually come close to being a .500 ball club from 27-55 is great. MJ had no Allstar teammates in any of his first 5 seasons. Pippen arrived in MJ's 4th season and was hardly an impressive rookie and didnt even start early in his career. He became an Allstar in MJ's 6th season but regressed and was not an Allstar in the '90-'91 season which was their first championship year. In MJ's 7th season, he won his first championship and never let go resulting in 6 rings. Meanwhile, Bird had Kevin Mchale and Robert Paris - both Allstars and some of the all time great PF and Centers of the game. He also had Dennis Johnson and Reggie Lewis who was considered a top young player like MJ. Bird won 3 rings. Hardly a comparison. MJ entered the NBA on a much shittier team. And yet, MJ managed to take his shitpile and turn it into gold by becoming the greatest dynasty in modern NBA history. He won 6 Championships with zero losses in the Finals while Bird and his super squad won 3 championships while losing twice in the Finals Essentially, MJ did more with less. Period. FACTS!!
Ty Wilson you have missed so many other facts that your facts looks just like you wanted to find some stats against Jordan. Man get a life. It took Jordan a bit longer to compose championship team. You really compare great Boston players to bunch od school boys that were playing for the Bulls ? Jordan almost by himself made Bulls champions. Larry had so many talented players that even bench players were better than Bulls starting five in Jordan early years. How many titles Bird has? How many mvps scoring titles defending titles. Facts my Man.
Rodman was really good, he beat MJ in the playoffs 3 years in a row, the two before that, Bird swept his ass twice, did I mention Bird hit a game winning shot in Jordan's face, yeah, it sucks for you jordan jockers, guess you'll have to live with it :)
Rodman beat mj in the playoffs three years in a raw? u realize Rodman wasnt the leader of that team right? jordan is far better than bird, jordan playoff runs are far better than birds playoff runs. a reguler season game means nothing. birdsexual
This is how dominant MJ was. At one point when he was asked to play point guard, he recorded 7 straight triple doubles. Then 3 more to make it 10 triple doubles in 11 games. So if Jordan had the ball in his hands like Lebron he would be absolutely devastating. MJ was an all around player (and I mean on both ends of the court) but his scoring prowess overshadowed all his other skills. Just remember,
#1 all time in bocks for a guard
#2 all time in steals
#3 all time in rebounds for a guard
GOAT
And he did it legit. Didn't stat chase, came out when games were decided and only played 13 years....missed almost all 86, 94, most 95 and way beyond his prime w wizards. And stats were real when he played.
Please say that loud again & that’s straight facts but people say he was just a scorer
That's the most effortless 45 points i think i've ever seen. It literally looked like he was moving in slow motion and jogging around like it couldn't be any easier.
this was a magical time in the nba mj vs bird awesome
This dude was probably 30 years before his time!!!
What does that actually even mean.... I mean this is the 90’s. Not the 60’s or the 70’s, Oscar Robertson was ahead of his time. Wilt was ahead of his time. Jordan just dominated, he was just that good. If he played today he would average more than he already did. That’s not even debatable, the defense in the 80’s and 90’s isn’t even remotely comparable to the shit show defense you see today. If you breathe on somebody, it’s a foul. Jordan literally got beat tf up on the way to the rim and still posterized you. They played tough in your face defense in the 90’s. The only thing different about today is the increased height of historically shorter positions. That is literally it. Euro ball has all but taken over the NBA. The status quo of 4’s and 5’s has been changed. And not at all for the better... Big men that should be playing back-to-basket (or at least UNDER the basket) low post ball all playing more of a stretch-4 that want to do nothing but stand outside and shoot 3’s all day while 6’5” guards have to try to get the rebounds because of it. That’s why you have those players averaging 7-8 rebs a game. NOT in any way because they’re that good of a rebounder, not because they can jump that high. But because their incompetent bigs won’t get their asses under the bucket. It’s stupid. 6’10” & up players that are skinny bitches and won’t lift any weights that just wana shoot 3’s all day. Get out. There are no Shaq’s anymore. None. There is no “big” anymore in the original sense of the word. There’s just guards, and tall fowards. Jordan from 1990 would dominate now more than he did IN 1990.
@@dazdavis7896 You just answered your question. That's what I was saying!
This game was the second last game of the season and it made no difference to playoff standings. Did MJ take the game off like some of today's stars? No way. He was the ultimate competitor and would never take a night off. Just another reason he is the goat
Michael Jordan is the most efficient player in NBA history
Hey... Seems like they were playing in Chicago... crowd's reaction is intense when Michael take the ball and scores!!
Like UT said, Jordan has more of everything over Bird despite playing with only one HOF'er (until Rodman eventually gets in.
Even Bird and Rodman will tell you that Jordan is the best of all time
I have this game on tape, Rick Barry goes on to mention (not sure if you've got the same broadcast/put the clip in) that Jordan could "score 60 points a loooot of times Bob, but he's a very unselfish player...". This was exactly 4 years after his 63 points against the Celtics, if I remember right.
Oh yeah it's got the high quality link as an option now. Thanks again for the upload
this was a great game. love those old rope nets
That boy was something else
awesome video...a shame the quality isn't better though. always nice to see ordan in his athletic prime, nonetheless
G O A T
Oh he's stroking it reaalllly nice...
i love how wen he crosses over he doesnt even get low when he has too he can just cross over and get the ball low enough that the defender cant reach down and touch the ball and it just bounces up n his hands which sets himself up for so many other offensive options
2:47 is the difference between today's shitty NBA and the Golden era of the 80's and early 90's. Yea MJ could have jacked up a 3 on Mchale, which is what today's players would have done, but recognizing the mismatch he took Mchale to the hole and scores on a layup. Can't do that today with the ridiculous zone defense which protects guys and makes it look like teams today play good defense. Thank God for all the people who post these "old" games cause the NBA today is unwatchable!
hes stroking it really nice, he has a nice rhythm... lol 1:39
dont sleep on jordans passing ability though. he did play point guard early in his career. im not trying to take anything away from larry bird. he was a monster! i would pick him before any player today. but mike is the greatest. that 63 points in the playoffs vs. a great celtics team is still unmatched
he was so quick it was unreal
Wow, great move at 2:50. I think Jordan once said that Reggie Lewis was one of his toughest defenders, and look at what he did to him and the whole Celtics defense!
I dont hate Bird, i love the guy and he deserves all my admiration, go seat in the corner junior.
Loved the move at 2:54
That is because the Celtics were not known for defense but were a stacked offensive machine.
Gervin was in his last season in the NBA clearly out of his prime led the Bulls to a 21-43 without MJ that year (when MJ broke his foot). 9-9 with MJ before the post-season. Oakley was still young and not in his prime (unlike Boston's true "Big three" all together in their primes). Woolridge was in his prime at the time and Pippen wasn't even around back then.
And it's a good thing Pippen had MJ giving him 6 titles, cause Pippen was never proven to be a leader :)
And Boston wins it. Love it.
Amen that Rodman should be in the HOF.
Jordan was head and shoulders above bird and magic and they even said it themselves so that ends any conversation.
+Terrance Stanley What? How old are you? You make me wanna question your knowledge of basketball because Jordan in no way shape or form was head and shoulders better than Bird or Magic. Larry Bird was the better player. Bird was 23-11 vs Jordan and 6-0 in the playoffs against Jordan. In 78-79 the year before Bird came to the Celtics, the Celtics were the worst team in the NBA at 29-53. Bird's first year 78-80 they went from the worst record to the best record in the league with a 61-21 record. Thats plus 32 wins. Bird's 2nd year 80-81 they again had the best record in basketball going 62-20 and won the NBA championship. The next year 81-82 they were 63-19. That's 3 years and each year they won more games than the other. Now lets look at Jordan. In 83-84 the year before Jordan came to the Bulls they were 27-55. Jordan's 1st year 84-85 they were 38-44, still one of the worst records in basketball. Jordan's 2nd year 85-86 they went 30-52, they actually got worse. Well you may say well Jordan got hurt his 2nd year, well let's look at his 3rd year. 86-87 Jordan's 3rd year they went 40-42, still below 500%. So Bird in his first 3 years has a record of 186-60 and an NBA championship along with 3 eastern conference finals appearances. Jordan in his first 3 years has a record of 108-138. No playoff victories, and 0 titles. Facts.
They only said that in 92. But Bird still had a winning record against what some folks call the goat. Sorry...the goat is the best all around player that also makes his team better. By that measure MJ falls short. Bird is the best all around player ever.
+Ty Wilson But Bird said Jordan was the greatest so ima role with what your favorite player says
+jjs777fzr But Bird said Jordan was the Goat or God of basketball so im gona role with what your favorite player says
+Terrance Stanley true he said that in 86 but didnt say he was the greatest. Wilt Chamberlain, MJ both fit in the same category, unmatched athleticism and big point games. But then Russell and Bird has the winning record against both. Individuals don't win games. BIll Walton said it best after MJ scored 63 pts, which was special, but Walton commented after the same, I'd still rather be a Celtic. Why? Because the team won the game. And of course the Celts swept the Bulls in 86 along with the presumed goat. The goat finds a way to get the team win. Both Magic and Bird got championships immediately for their teams. Jordan had to wait till Bird and Magic were old.
And it's easier to be a team player when you have multiple HOF'ers on your team.
Switch MJ and Larry around, it would be Jordan's Celtics, owning Larry's Bulls.
Yep a lot of guys his height don't have that ability. Kobe's cross might look prettier, but MJ's was more on the fly and effective imo (sorry to bring up kobe lol).
1:27 that's a sneaky travel jordan
Lol it may seem like a great argument that the Bulls only dropped 2 games in '94 but not really. MJ leaves and enter Kukoc and Kerr joining 3 players that were entering their primes - Pippen, Grant and Armstrong. Not much of a surprise they did good that season. But did they win the chip? Again NO.
The way you talk one would think MJ had Pippen, Gervin, Woolridge and Oakley all at the same time and in their primes..
MJ only got to play with Woolridge 1 full season (his rookie year) and few games of the '86 season after coming back from a broken foot earlier than the doctors and Jerry Krause wanted..Gervin? Forget about him, out of his prime, MJ played 18 games with him.
Oakley comes in '87 and plays 2 years in Chicago. Pippen comes in '88 not good enough to even crack the starting lineup.
Oh excuse me i didnt realize Rodman single handedly beat the Chicago Bulls 3 years in a row. I thought the Pistons as whole , being one of the greatest defensive teams in Nba history, did it.
Bird swept MJ twice? I thought the Celtics as a whole, one of the greatest teams in NBA history, did it.
Bird wasnt even Jordan's assignment, he just came to help and got burned. Happens. Bird wouldnt be a lesser clutch player if he didnt hit a GW on Jordan's face.
Time to grow up kid.
Rodman was really good, he beat MJ in the playoffs 3 years in a row, the two before that, Bird swept his ass twice, did I mention Bird hit a game winning shot in Jordan's face, yeah, it sucks for you jordan jockers, guess you'll have to live with it :)
Sadly I don't think they'll ever induct Rodman while he's still breathing. It's a tragedy.
score all you want jordan.......
Bird didnt have McHale, Parrish or DJ in his rookie seaosn but he had solid contributions from 3 other HOF - Dave Cowens, Tiny and Pistol (for 26 games), so dont act like he did it all by himself. MJ never had proven HOF in his younger years.
MJ had 45 pts on 72% from the field while almost getting a triple double in just 35 minutes. Yeah it was his fault the Bulls lost..Shut your trap
LOL Yeah, they did. I'm sure Bird didnt want that to be public knowledge. :P
@Cwm368 MJ drives way better tho>>>well it looks prettier and the ref doesn't blow the whistle everytime time MJ goes up unlike bron
Wow no need to get all defensive on me buddy.. Dave Cowens and Tiny Archibald 2 HOF no matter what you say. If they were 33 i'd rule them out, but they were barely 31 giving experience and solid contributions to help the team.
Cowens 14ppg, 8 reb, 1stl, 1blk.
Tiny 14ppg, 8 ast, 1stl.
Cedric Maxwell 17ppg on 61% FG!! 9 reb, 1stl, 1blk
Pete Maravich (26 games) 11.5ppg on 49% FG.
Man if that's not help i dont know what is..
Look at you hanging to what Bird did in college lol, did he win a chip?
Go dubs!
Maybe they are right in not inducting rodman while he is still alive.
The guy is nutts, he might do something terrible and stain the honor of the HOF.
Yes Rodman was a crucial adition to the team in '96. He also missed about 20 games that season i wonder why.. If Jordan wasnt a general on that team Rodman would probably ride that team out of the NBA. And again if there's no Jordan in '96 it wasnt gonna be Rodman to get them a chip.
Lol at Jordan never being able to beat a healthy Larry Bird. On top of it being false, you forget it wasnt Bird. It was a team filled with HOFers. Jordan didnt have even one.
Prime Bird, DJ, McHale, Ainge and Boston > MJ. Pistons had prime Dumars, Rodman, and Isiah which is greater than Jordan and a young Pippen.
And how dare the Celtics have to resort to a game-winning shot by Bird over that lousy Bulls team who made the playoffs with a losing record. Luckily for them MJ didn't have 3 shots when fouled beyond the arc in the game he scored 63 on them down 2 with no time left.
Congrats Merkin on showing a rare Jordan choke (yes I said that)
a typical jordan game ;)
the best man u can fight is micheal jordan
How did the Celtics manage to win without Bird???? lol
Nice argument jordan jocker, but MJ had Kukoc and Kerr when he choked against the Magic in game one, and they still didn't win as many games with MJ in the playoffs than the year before without him. I posted the the jordan choke for your viewing pleasure, it's priceless
just pass the fucking ball MJ :)
Great performance, but the D was pretty ugly also.
Mj had Pippen, George Gervin all hall of famers and he also had 20+ ppg scorers like Orlando Woolridge and 2nd leading rebounder in the league Oakley, still couldn't do nothing. If Bird had Oakley, Woolridge and Pippen, no doubt they win the championship, he did after all take Boston to the best record his rookie year without Mchale, Parrish, DJ and Ainge. Because Birds' the greatest team player, he knew jacking up shots doesn't win championships. It's a good thing mj got pippen to show him
Haha, they had Purdue taking the final shot
and the Bulls only drop 2 games worse without Jordan in 94, damn, How's that for an MVP, and they win more playoff games that year than with Jordan on there team in 95, they get Rodman and he puts them over the top with his great defense, rebounding and hustle. Just like he kicked MJ's ass 3 years in a row in the playoffs and Bird swept MJs ass 2 years in a row before that ;)
NBA is the real deal, its where it counts. So you're just wasting your time talking about could have beens in college..
Lebron who?
Bulls added some pieces in 1993-94. 1994-95, the Bulls (34-31) were probably not going to be in the playoffs until MJ came back and the Bulls went on a 13-4 record. Now imagine that 13-4 string over a full year....Bulls draw an easier team than the Magic and may have faced Hakeem's Rockets in the NBA Finals. Could of also happened in 1996 as well.
Sad thing was the Bulls without Jordan were a 2nd round out the same year they lost 2 fewer games to a Knicks team they never lost to with Jordan.
Nice "pass" Mike
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And let's not forget their 2nd round exit to the Knicks. That never happened in the Jordan era.
And don't forget the borderline playoff 34-31Bulls before MJ came back in 95. Bulls go 13-4 and into the playoffs. Had MJ been with the Bulls that entire time, a lot better record, playoff position, and a possible showdown with Hakeem's Rockets. Following 3 years, MJ plays a full season, the rest....we all know what happens
@ 5:18, did the announcer say something about Larry Bird's buttocks? LOL!!!
Yeah, and Jordan leaves in 94, and the Bulls only drop 2 games worse and they win more playoff games than they do in 95 with Jordan in the lineup, hows that for a MVP, they only drop 2 games worse? They get Rodman the next year and he puts them over the top with his great defense and hustle. MJ's a fucking ball hog and never could beat a healthy Bird and check this out" Larry Bird hits Game Winner in Jordan's Face" look it up on youtube, deal with it Jordan Jocker ;)
MERKIN MUFFLY CALLING PEOPLE JORDAN JOCKER AND ALL HE'S TALKING ABOUT IS LARRY BIRD.REGARDLESS OF HOW ANYONE FEELS,WE MUST ACCEPT THEY DIDN'T NAME HIM LARRY LEGEND FOR NO REASON,BUT YET AND STILL CHICAGO WENT ON TO WIN SIX NBA TITLES AND WAS NEVER BEATEN IN THE FINALS...WE ALL HAVE OUR DIFFERENT OPINIONS OF WHO WE LIKE SO LET'S LEAVE IT AT THAT.....M AIR J (23) THOUGH,LOL....!
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Bird out with a butt abscess?
Bird was out with injury and MJ's bulls still lost to Bird's Celts AGAIN LOL.
more proof why its dumb to put kobe and mj in the same sentence.Micheal was more efficient as a scorer,a more sneaky/snakey defender...obviously passed more[his asst. per game avg 4 his career is better than kobes],also stole more often[3 time steal champion]...
and faced handchecks and no 3 second rule.oh yeah...double double king also....
You mean Lebron drives look MJ-like... MJ came before Lebron...
Rodman put them over the top? He was certainly important, but let's be honest, you take MJ off the second three-peat team and they are a second round playoff team at best.
This is just silly contrarianism. Look at the 98 team. Rodman was pretty much at the end, Pippen was injured all year, Kukoc wasn't playing all that well, but Jordan would not let them lose. Watch game 7 or the eastern conference finals against the Pacers and try to hold to your childish nonsense.
lmao yea he did lol he said he has an infection in his..buttocks!
And as usual, Boston wins, MJ proves again he's the king of ballhogging and not a great team player like Bird. Check out my video on youtube that shows MJ getting punked by Bird: watch?v=a3lAuohZvnE
yea thats a nono round here buddy lol
Bird was 23-11 vs Jordan and 6-0 in the playoffs against Jordan. In 78-79 the year before Bird came to the Celtics, the Celtics were the worst team in the NBA at 29-53. Bird's first year 78-80 they went from the worst record to the best record in the league with a 61-21 record. Thats plus 32 wins. Bird's 2nd year 80-81 they again had the best record in basketball going 62-20 and won the NBA championship. The next year 81-82 they were 63-19. That's 3 years and each year they won more games than the other. Now lets look at Jordan. In 83-84 the year before Jordan came to the Bulls they were 27-55. Jordan's 1st year 84-85 they were 38-44, still one of the worst records in basketball. Jordan's 2nd year 85-86 they went 30-52, they actually got worse. Well you may say well Jordan got hurt his 2nd year, well let's look at his 3rd year. 86-87 Jordan's 3rd year they went 40-42, still below 500%. So Bird in his first 3 years has a record of 186-60 and an NBA championship along with 3 eastern conference finals appearances. Jordan in his first 3 years has a record of 108-138. No playoff victories, and 0 titles. Facts.
Ty Wilson Yea, 5 HOF player's against a 23 yr old with a bunch of drug addicts and has been. And Goin up against a team that just won 67 and 63 Game's in the regular season...Shidd, they were supposed to beat the Bulls. C'mon man stop being a DumbAss!
Ty Wilson - cherry picked facts. Jordan was still one man and a guard at that. The increase in wins actually is amazing - almost never does just one player change things on a team that terrible and for a 27-55 team to go up that many games represents a large margin, more than could reasonably be expected.
Oh but wait, there are a few other caveats. Let's look behind the curtains for a second -
In the '84 - '89 seasons which are his first 5 seasons, MJ had -
- 43 different teammates
- 3 different starters EACH season
- 3 different coaches that were not Phil Jackson
With that little stability and constantly rotating teammates, nobody could possibly win and yet for the Bulls to actually come close to being a .500 ball club from 27-55 is great.
MJ had no Allstar teammates in any of his first 5 seasons. Pippen arrived in MJ's 4th season and was hardly an impressive rookie and didnt even start early in his career. He became an Allstar in MJ's 6th season but regressed and was not an Allstar in the '90-'91 season which was their first championship year. In MJ's 7th season, he won his first championship and never let go resulting in 6 rings.
Meanwhile, Bird had Kevin Mchale and Robert Paris - both Allstars and some of the all time great PF and Centers of the game. He also had Dennis Johnson and Reggie Lewis who was considered a top young player like MJ. Bird won 3 rings.
Hardly a comparison. MJ entered the NBA on a much shittier team. And yet, MJ managed to take his shitpile and turn it into gold by becoming the greatest dynasty in modern NBA history. He won 6 Championships with zero losses in the Finals while Bird and his super squad won 3 championships while losing twice in the Finals
Essentially, MJ did more with less. Period.
FACTS!!
Ty Wilson you have missed so many other facts that your facts looks just like you wanted to find some stats against Jordan. Man get a life. It took Jordan a bit longer to compose championship team. You really compare great Boston players to bunch od school boys that were playing for the Bulls ? Jordan almost by himself made Bulls champions. Larry had so many talented players that even bench players were better than Bulls starting five in Jordan early years. How many titles Bird has? How many mvps scoring titles defending titles. Facts my Man.
Rodman was really good, he beat MJ in the playoffs 3 years in a row, the two before that, Bird swept his ass twice, did I mention Bird hit a game winning shot in Jordan's face, yeah, it sucks for you jordan jockers, guess you'll have to live with it :)
Rodman beat mj in the playoffs three years in a raw? u realize Rodman wasnt the leader of that team right?
jordan is far better than bird, jordan playoff runs are far better than birds playoff runs. a reguler season game means nothing.
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