That's why I think the term, "representation matters" has become a joke. In the context of being in the community and helping other Asians navigate in diaspora, the term applies greatly. But if it's just to get a seat in the table of Hollywood or other media outlets to help their own careers, it feels like more for selfish reasons and climbing the career ladder.
If Asian Americans want better representation then PBS should be ones making especially for young Asian American kids. I feel they would most likely do a great family friendly content for Asian Americans especially if they bring certain issues that Asian Americans can relate and help them how to go through them in family friendly way. With relatable and lovable characters!
It became a joke because Hollywood started to cast the originally white characters with POC actors instead of creating original characters who are actually Asian/black/Latino/biracial. I don't want to see a Marvel character from Asgard played by a Japanese man (no smoke towards Asano Tadanobu though). I want to see more of Ally Wong and Steven Yeun's characters from Beef.
I love the Fung Bros. I want to thank you for your rep of Asians. I really feel like a lot of what you go through is similar to what a lot of different ethnic groups go through. As a black person you all make feel like my people are not alone and i love you for that.
I agree with what Andrew said. Us Asians have been in America for over a hundred years, and we have been misrepresented for so long, we still find racial stereotypes hurtful and harmful. And now, we finally get some positive representation and we feel like we finally have a voice and can maybe even get some political power. And it is also true that Asian American exist in great numbers in White society and White careers, more so than probably every other ethnic minority. When you have been fighting for media represenatation for as long as we have, you just feel like the struggle is never-ending. For a minority group that just got here, within 1 or 2 generations, it's not the same. They haven't been struggling for over a hundred years. So, they probably aren't thinking about represenation as much, because they, honestly, have much less power and control than we do. We can actually see the bamboo ceiling and we are trying to break through it. Some other minority groups can't even see their ceiling, because it's so far away.
@@jamberry8026 you read all of that, and this your conclusion? If so, does that really invalidate the struggles of Asian Americans? The Chinese Exclusion Act, the internment camps, etc etc. I am very aware of the mistreatment of other minorities btw, so you can drop that counter.
@@Someguy08 You all got repaired for what they did to you during WWII and even laws have been enacted for you alone. White people don't even get that. Get mad all you want about the truth. You let racist white folks use you to step on Blacks. Even the better of your people stand and admit that. We aren't trying to fight you. All we want is truth and justice to lead the way. All you want is to wallow in white supremacist 💩 Blacks don't do anything as a people to hurt you. If not for the work that Blacks do/ did they would still restrict your immigration. They give you all grants to open business in our neighborhood, but won't even do that for the people who live there, some of who even fought in these wars that gives you the freedom to come over and step on us. And you're always claiming that Black people are the reason you can't get this or you can't get that... You claim you can't get into college because of Black people while Blacks are struggling for themselves and you're afraid to speak up about the legacy admisssions and never question the whites who may or may not have lower scores than you. We're tired of you all coming for us when we haven't come for you. We also stood with and for you during WWII when they were rounding you up and putting you in concentration camps.We stood for you when they nuked y'all twice only to watch the majority and uneducated among you to come here and spit right in our faces. Last week an Asian lady cut me off in a jammed up Costco parking lot after letting all the white folks through. As soon as she saw I was Black she pulled up and even blocked the intersection. What if Black people did that to you, what would you think? That anti-Black attitude that you all have stinks and you even do it to the brown people among you. You can miss me with all that crying. You need to make some friends, because those white folks don't care about you. They're just using you just like they used Candace Owens. They throw tools away when they're done with them.
I went to NIU for college in the 2000s where only 2% populations were Asians. Not exaggerating but I’ve been asked so many times by acquaintances if I eat lot of rice, if know kungfu, or if I’m related to Bruce Lee (my last name is Lee and they said that I look like him). That’s how media represented us back then. Today’s representation of Asia is much better than before and it boosted our status a little. So yeah, the media representation matters because that’s where the majority people get their information from.
I feel you young brother. I was in the Air Force from 1985-1995. I got all those questions and more. Happy to see the younger generation is getting more positive media attention. I had to deal with the Long Duck Dong and Fu Manchu jokes. I am ok though. I mesh well with all races. And I do know martial arts.
I also wanna add that Asian media representation has been minimal throughout US history because Asians often don't prioritize becoming famous and their parents have other plans for them (i.e. becoming a doctor, etc.), hence not much representation since people who are in charge of representation are people in Hollywood like actors, writers, etc.
Hollywood has gradually been granting multifaceted roles to ethnic or other visible minority groups, but Asians typically don't speak up about their personal grievances outside of online communities. It's one thing for aspiring Asian actors to voice their displeasure IRL vs a bunch of angry redditors screaming into the void. This is also more of an American phenomenon. East Asians who consume their homeland's media won't be preoccupied with this.
A lot of Asians don’t have a strong identity, knowledge, and pride in their backgrounds instilled into them by their parents and elders. We are only told to study and keep quiet and be good and try to fit in with white culture so we can get good jobs and make money. This results in us craving to fit in with western society but western society will never accept Asians and continually spits on us with their media and misrepresents us. This in turn creates a constant longing and frustration and demand for fair and accurate portrayal. If us Asians were raised in a way where we had more understanding of our history, culture, and to have more pride in our background as well as understand the insidiousness of white western society we’d probably give less fks about how we are portrayed on tv
True man, and I honestly think this is where Asian parents need to step up and teach their kids cultural pride or they're going to grow up feeling lost in the world. My mom is 1st generation Chinese Canadian who taught me and my sisters about how our great-grandfather came to Canada and helped build the railway then dealt with the Chinese head tax. However my dad is a Malaysian Chinese immigrant who is involved with teaching dancing to the Chinese community in Montreal with my Taiwanese stepmother who is a dance teacher. I took it up a notch by going to a Chinese church and even went and helped out with a worship group to a Chinese nursing home. I also know how to talk to my elders since I learned a bit of Cantonese to learn more about my heritage. I think this is what everyone needs to know how to do and at the end of the day, you cannot change your race so why not embrace it.
David raises some very interesting points here. Especially the point about API's having "played too much of the game" and "bowed down to those with power in existing systems". So, maybe the perception of being "weak" was at least partially a self-inflicted wound. But, was that ever avoidable?
Plan A Magazine wrote that "Media representation advocacy can get overblown, but its importance lies in the fact pop culture representation is often the only way to definitely point to everyday social inequalities that can’t be verified otherwise."
The comparison with Bangladeshis and Hispanics is interesting, but I think it's also useful to compare Asians with the groups that have complained a lot about representation: white women and blacks. The other thing is that media representation may be a reflection of real life, but the degree to which it shapes people's perceptions is also important. Like, part of the reason Asian men are under represented is because the only Asians that creatives interact with are their Asian girlfriends and gay Asians, but this still has an influence over the way that Asian men are perceived.
A reason that I could probably deduce why this may be occurring is that they’re very proud and care a lot about their medias that cater for them like anime and manga or kdramas etc, or their cultures as well, that they may be tad angst about foreign changes or bend their medias to “global audience” aka censorship based on cultural differences. Which has been targeted for a while from twitter and the dark ages of being a weeb or gamer during the 2000’s and 1980-1990s bullying and now they are like “oh long time no see, we’ve been friends sene ever, hey by the way how about you change something because I don’t like your thing”
The faces at the front of these movements are usually highly educated Asian Americans or Asian Americans who specialize in certain fields..The Asian American who runs a shop in the neighborhood probably isn’t aware of such things..I’m for good representation of Asian Americans, too many negative stereotypical portrayals that doesn’t always reflect reality..Such as the nerd, the foreigner, the misogynist, the criminal etc..
im interested in the viewpoints of people moving for asians in the street. I felt like men move a lot more for me than women for some reason. Maybe women expect others to move for them ..but I noticed it recently so I stopped trying to move for others
I like watching American sitcoms and Sci-Fi shows with Asians, even the ones with Asians in small roles. My current favorites shows are Kims Convenience, Fresh off the Boat, Nora from Queen's, Haley Steinfeld in Marvels Hawkeye is also part Filipino.
I think if you're earring top ten percent income, you probably have, or should have a lot less time to care about Asian media representation. That would be outside of whatever circle of Asian friends/cohorts you have. Then it's an entertaining topic. Outside of that circle, you'll be gaslit by being told you're overreacting, it's overblown, or it's a non-issue.
That's where you guys got it right, only on the internet that most Asians talks about this issue. I'm only speaking for myself here but I don't sh*t if Asians are being represented or not in the media. People who lives in world knows how things work and we don't live online like some people do. 😅
I prefer Asian American books. Because they are really amazing and enjoyable! Plus you can connect with the main character more easily especially if they are Asian American
I agree that Asians regard themselves as "white adjacent" and therefore expect the same representation. However, you guys keep referring to Asians as the only minority wanting this and it is not entirely accurate. African Americans are heavily represented in the media and in fact the Hip Hop genre has already supplanted the lily white America as the "cool American culture" in music, movies and even the Black American speak in everyday lives. So why is it that Black America far more representative in media than Asian characters - especially male characters in leading positions. I think the reason is that there is still a widely regarded myth that Asian American male characters are not viewed as "sexy", "cool", macho" etc. Even White characters in leading positions can't be too "white", they have to be tatted, speak Black American lingo and are heavily muscled (witness transformation of Jake Gyllenhaal) and even weed freindly And when a Asian male character is put in a lead role, they often go to mixed raced Asians who have a hint of Western "handsome" in them. OTOH, Asian women are viewed positively for reasons much discussed in this forum and others This sort of thing is taken as an affrontery to Asian males and to a lesser degree Asian feamales and that is the main reason. To that, I say, as a East Asian male, f*ck this and just be yourself. Don't try to "fit in" to this new American "cool" culture. It does not fit in East Asian culture and it should not be be seen as the gold standard. Be confident in your own abilities and do things in society that contribute - be it entrepreneurship, being the best damn employee in any discipline you are in, being active in charitable activities, chill out in ways that you enjoy and living upright lives in the Confucian tradition and treat all people well. Speak up and lead and be active politically and don't take a back seat to anyone. And learn martial arts.😀
Asians Americans want to take agency of their identity and narrative just like their African American counterparts. Why leave it to someone else to define how you perceive yourself.
I'm black American and my cousin and I were discussing this exact topic a couple days ago. We both find it funny how every other non white group is suddenly so loud about representation. It feels like all y'all are piggybacking off the work black people have been doing for a hundred years plus. However I think the reason it feels like that to me might be because Asian, latin American etc have had these discussions internally for years and its only hitting the non entertainment industry community because of the internet. Too many groups keep their inter community conversations internal and need to share them more otherwise it's gonna look like they only started fighting for representation after it got trendy.
It's interesting how much Asian Americans care. I'm Hong Kong Canadian who grew up in the 80s, we absolutely have no Asian identity at all. I never heard of the Asian grouping until I was 20. There were so many of us in Toronto, we were just Chinese. The Japanese were Japanese and kept to themselves. Koreans were few and far between. All our entertainment came via Hong Kong and we were fine not seeing Asians on mainstream media.
11:07 I commend the Asian community for caring about representation. Especially the Asian men. I feel the Black Community allows others to control and dictate their image and results are not so great. They need to take note of other groups and control that narrative.
It's weird to me anyone who would reject being seen... because it leads to influence and visibility. If you are isolationist people, which Asians are not... I could see that maybe.
Yea but what I've noticed when I've read some of the reddit comments is that Asians don't want a stereotypical looking Asian they want a mixed Asian that has more European features.
Asians and specifically Asian Americans are under represented and that makes us feel under appreciated. Growing up FilAm, all we had was Dante Basco and the Jabbawockeez. They goated tho!
@@daryndrake4393 more so negatively because the goal for them would be the positive representation and limit negative stereotypes. At the moment I would say negative representation through movies/media is pushed more. That gets more clicks than positive with enforces negative stereotypes. And theirs in particular are more detrimental such as them being dangerous/the villain. A lot of media that reaches Asian communities says that
I understand wanting to be properly represented in media, but it's just not comparable to Black Americans. Asians and all these other recent groups who all of a sudden want a piece of the "American" pie, have their own media they can always go back to from their own countries. Remember, the U.S is our (Black Americans) home turf and we've had the biggest cultural influences by far. Our issue is that White people own these massive corporations and like to represent us in a negative spotlight. We've been fighting since day 1 and still have to because a lot of things still haven't changed. Trust me, if we could have our own media that our people controlled, we wouldn't care so much and Hollywood wouldn't be as successful. Too many people have false dreams about Hollywood, but if I was an Asian American, I'd stick with influencing my own country's media
More Asian representation in Western nations means get ignored less by western media when bad things happened to Asians in Western nations. Western born Asians cared a lot more about representation than Asians born Asians who just live in western nations. Why? For many reasons such as getting less racism and more opportunities if gets accepted by the white social structure. Some goes to the extreme to get accepted by this structure and start badmouthing Asians who rather hold on to their original ethnic identity instead of melding in with Western social structures. Thus two school thoughts, Western Melting Pot or the failure of the western Melting Pot, emerged between this struggle for identity of Gen1 and 2 immigrants. Rise of Asia certainly didn't help the Western Melting Pot any.
Mongoloid 1 of 2 adjective Mon·gol·oid ˈmäŋ-gə-ˌlȯid 1 : of or relating to a group of people formerly considered to constitute a race (see RACE entry 1 sense 1a) of humans having Asian ancestry and classified according to physical traits (such as the presence of an epicanthal fold) 2 or mongoloid dated, now offensive : of, relating to, or affected with Down syndrome ---- I swear the 1st time I heard of this term was in a D&D game 25 years ago… don’t really hear it much anymore 🤔
Bad representation is only good if there's a balance between good and bad representation. This only applies to black and white like what David said, "binary". Asians are never accepted in racist Muirka.
If you don’t want to do your homework, want to date non-asian girls, and live/dress/speak like you take rap music seriously just say so, you’ll feel better. I know I did.
Asians fault for not feeling welcome? lol. Dude. First off, instead your arbitrary 100 yrs. date, feel free to use The Chinese Exclusion act of 1882 for a reference (as that helps encapsulates the history of how Asians have been viewed, treated AND MADE to feel a certain way). Love what you guys try to do but god damn do you guys miss a ton regularly on the topics you cover. Rough to listen to if you're educated on these subjects and aren't afraid to piss off a certain section of audiences (which I get why you guys kinda have to do that). Anyways, shitty that the convo has to focus around "which asians care more" (with some slight gaslighting attached btw), instead on breaking the down the much more important and real "why."
That's why I think the term, "representation matters" has become a joke. In the context of being in the community and helping other Asians navigate in diaspora, the term applies greatly. But if it's just to get a seat in the table of Hollywood or other media outlets to help their own careers, it feels like more for selfish reasons and climbing the career ladder.
If Asian Americans want better representation then PBS should be ones making especially for young Asian American kids. I feel they would most likely do a great family friendly content for Asian Americans especially if they bring certain issues that Asian Americans can relate and help them how to go through them in family friendly way. With relatable and lovable characters!
It became a joke because Hollywood started to cast the originally white characters with POC actors instead of creating original characters who are actually Asian/black/Latino/biracial.
I don't want to see a Marvel character from Asgard played by a Japanese man (no smoke towards Asano Tadanobu though). I want to see more of Ally Wong and Steven Yeun's characters from Beef.
@@jellyrollyyea but remember how Chinese people got mad they cast Awkwafina in Shang-Chi supposedly they wanted a more attractive Asian actor.
I love the Fung Bros. I want to thank you for your rep of Asians. I really feel like a lot of what you go through is similar to what a lot of different ethnic groups go through. As a black person you all make feel like my people are not alone and i love you for that.
I am black too and I agree 💯 percent
I agree with what Andrew said. Us Asians have been in America for over a hundred years, and we have been misrepresented for so long, we still find racial stereotypes hurtful and harmful. And now, we finally get some positive representation and we feel like we finally have a voice and can maybe even get some political power. And it is also true that Asian American exist in great numbers in White society and White careers, more so than probably every other ethnic minority.
When you have been fighting for media represenatation for as long as we have, you just feel like the struggle is never-ending. For a minority group that just got here, within 1 or 2 generations, it's not the same. They haven't been struggling for over a hundred years. So, they probably aren't thinking about represenation as much, because they, honestly, have much less power and control than we do.
We can actually see the bamboo ceiling and we are trying to break through it. Some other minority groups can't even see their ceiling, because it's so far away.
Y'all have been treated better than most other immigrants... Even better than the indigenous and certainly way better than FBA.
@@jamberry8026 you read all of that, and this your conclusion? If so, does that really invalidate the struggles of Asian Americans? The Chinese Exclusion Act, the internment camps, etc etc. I am very aware of the mistreatment of other minorities btw, so you can drop that counter.
@@Someguy08 You all got repaired for what they did to you during WWII and even laws have been enacted for you alone. White people don't even get that. Get mad all you want about the truth. You let racist white folks use you to step on Blacks. Even the better of your people stand and admit that. We aren't trying to fight you. All we want is truth and justice to lead the way. All you want is to wallow in white supremacist 💩 Blacks don't do anything as a people to hurt you. If not for the work that Blacks do/ did they would still restrict your immigration. They give you all grants to open business in our neighborhood, but won't even do that for the people who live there, some of who even fought in these wars that gives you the freedom to come over and step on us. And you're always claiming that Black people are the reason you can't get this or you can't get that... You claim you can't get into college because of Black people while Blacks are struggling for themselves and you're afraid to speak up about the legacy admisssions and never question the whites who may or may not have lower scores than you. We're tired of you all coming for us when we haven't come for you. We also stood with and for you during WWII when they were rounding you up and putting you in concentration camps.We stood for you when they nuked y'all twice only to watch the majority and uneducated among you to come here and spit right in our faces. Last week an Asian lady cut me off in a jammed up Costco parking lot after letting all the white folks through. As soon as she saw I was Black she pulled up and even blocked the intersection. What if Black people did that to you, what would you think? That anti-Black attitude that you all have stinks and you even do it to the brown people among you. You can miss me with all that crying. You need to make some friends, because those white folks don't care about you. They're just using you just like they used Candace Owens. They throw tools away when they're done with them.
90% of Asian representation in Hollywood is Kung Fu lol
@@valorzinski7423 It's better than slave or house keeper/ free 🐈
I went to NIU for college in the 2000s where only 2% populations were Asians. Not exaggerating but I’ve been asked so many times by acquaintances if I eat lot of rice, if know kungfu, or if I’m related to Bruce Lee (my last name is Lee and they said that I look like him). That’s how media represented us back then. Today’s representation of Asia is much better than before and it boosted our status a little. So yeah, the media representation matters because that’s where the majority people get their information from.
I feel you young brother. I was in the Air Force from 1985-1995. I got all those questions and more. Happy to see the younger generation is getting more positive media attention. I had to deal with the Long Duck Dong and Fu Manchu jokes. I am ok though. I mesh well with all races. And I do know martial arts.
People still call me Bruce Lee at my local gym, which is probably 40% Asian. We’ll never shake the stereotype no matter what! 😂
I also wanna add that Asian media representation has been minimal throughout US history because Asians often don't prioritize becoming famous and their parents have other plans for them (i.e. becoming a doctor, etc.), hence not much representation since people who are in charge of representation are people in Hollywood like actors, writers, etc.
Hollywood has gradually been granting multifaceted roles to ethnic or other visible minority groups, but Asians typically don't speak up about their personal grievances outside of online communities. It's one thing for aspiring Asian actors to voice their displeasure IRL vs a bunch of angry redditors screaming into the void. This is also more of an American phenomenon. East Asians who consume their homeland's media won't be preoccupied with this.
A lot of Asians don’t have a strong identity, knowledge, and pride in their backgrounds instilled into them by their parents and elders. We are only told to study and keep quiet and be good and try to fit in with white culture so we can get good jobs and make money. This results in us craving to fit in with western society but western society will never accept Asians and continually spits on us with their media and misrepresents us. This in turn creates a constant longing and frustration and demand for fair and accurate portrayal.
If us Asians were raised in a way where we had more understanding of our history, culture, and to have more pride in our background as well as understand the insidiousness of white western society we’d probably give less fks about how we are portrayed on tv
True man, and I honestly think this is where Asian parents need to step up and teach their kids cultural pride or they're going to grow up feeling lost in the world. My mom is 1st generation Chinese Canadian who taught me and my sisters about how our great-grandfather came to Canada and helped build the railway then dealt with the Chinese head tax. However my dad is a Malaysian Chinese immigrant who is involved with teaching dancing to the Chinese community in Montreal with my Taiwanese stepmother who is a dance teacher. I took it up a notch by going to a Chinese church and even went and helped out with a worship group to a Chinese nursing home. I also know how to talk to my elders since I learned a bit of Cantonese to learn more about my heritage. I think this is what everyone needs to know how to do and at the end of the day, you cannot change your race so why not embrace it.
this weekend I got hooked on listening to these asian female singers on youtube
Damn, why David put that in my head about moving out of the way? Now I'm gonna be so self conscience about not moving out of the way LMAO.
David raises some very interesting points here. Especially the point about API's having "played too much of the game" and "bowed down to those with power in existing systems". So, maybe the perception of being "weak" was at least partially a self-inflicted wound. But, was that ever avoidable?
Plan A Magazine wrote that "Media representation advocacy can get overblown, but its importance lies in the fact pop culture representation is often the only way to definitely point to everyday social inequalities that can’t be verified otherwise."
The comparison with Bangladeshis and Hispanics is interesting, but I think it's also useful to compare Asians with the groups that have complained a lot about representation: white women and blacks.
The other thing is that media representation may be a reflection of real life, but the degree to which it shapes people's perceptions is also important. Like, part of the reason Asian men are under represented is because the only Asians that creatives interact with are their Asian girlfriends and gay Asians, but this still has an influence over the way that Asian men are perceived.
There's a lot of Latin Americans that are white like there's 50 million Italians in that region
As a Indian Caribbean my anacestor are from bihar I think we east Asian and Indian should push more cooking videos to get more popular
A reason that I could probably deduce why this may be occurring is that they’re very proud and care a lot about their medias that cater for them like anime and manga or kdramas etc, or their cultures as well, that they may be tad angst about foreign changes or bend their medias to “global audience” aka censorship based on cultural differences. Which has been targeted for a while from twitter and the dark ages of being a weeb or gamer during the 2000’s and 1980-1990s bullying and now they are like “oh long time no see, we’ve been friends sene ever, hey by the way how about you change something because I don’t like your thing”
The faces at the front of these movements are usually highly educated Asian Americans or Asian Americans who specialize in certain fields..The Asian American who runs a shop in the neighborhood probably isn’t aware of such things..I’m for good representation of Asian Americans, too many negative stereotypical portrayals that doesn’t always reflect reality..Such as the nerd, the foreigner, the misogynist, the criminal etc..
im interested in the viewpoints of people moving for asians in the street. I felt like men move a lot more for me than women for some reason. Maybe women expect others to move for them ..but I noticed it recently so I stopped trying to move for others
You said men move more for you than women so you go both ways
Muslims and brown people cared a lot about media representation in the 90s and right after 9/11.....
Yeah, great point. Middle eastern here. We definitely worked for +20 years to reform our image. We certainly aren’t carefree about our media image.
I like watching American sitcoms and Sci-Fi shows with Asians, even the ones with Asians in small roles. My current favorites shows are Kims Convenience, Fresh off the Boat, Nora from Queen's, Haley Steinfeld in Marvels Hawkeye is also part Filipino.
I think if you're earring top ten percent income, you probably have, or should have a lot less time to care about Asian media representation. That would be outside of whatever circle of Asian friends/cohorts you have. Then it's an entertaining topic. Outside of that circle, you'll be gaslit by being told you're overreacting, it's overblown, or it's a non-issue.
"Learning to love yourself, is the greatest love of all." --George Benson
That's where you guys got it right, only on the internet that most Asians talks about this issue. I'm only speaking for myself here but I don't sh*t if Asians are being represented or not in the media. People who lives in world knows how things work and we don't live online like some people do. 😅
I prefer Asian American books. Because they are really amazing and enjoyable! Plus you can connect with the main character more easily especially if they are Asian American
I agree that Asians regard themselves as "white adjacent" and therefore expect the same representation. However, you guys keep referring to Asians as the only minority wanting this and it is not entirely accurate. African Americans are heavily represented in the media and in fact the Hip Hop genre has already supplanted the lily white America as the "cool American culture" in music, movies and even the Black American speak in everyday lives.
So why is it that Black America far more representative in media than Asian characters - especially male characters in leading positions. I think the reason is that there is still a widely regarded myth that Asian American male characters are not viewed as "sexy", "cool", macho" etc. Even White characters in leading positions can't be too "white", they have to be tatted, speak Black American lingo and are heavily muscled (witness transformation of Jake Gyllenhaal) and even weed freindly And when a Asian male character is put in a lead role, they often go to mixed raced Asians who have a hint of Western "handsome" in them. OTOH, Asian women are viewed positively for reasons much discussed in this forum and others
This sort of thing is taken as an affrontery to Asian males and to a lesser degree Asian feamales and that is the main reason. To that, I say, as a East Asian male, f*ck this and just be yourself. Don't try to "fit in" to this new American "cool" culture. It does not fit in East Asian culture and it should not be be seen as the gold standard. Be confident in your own abilities and do things in society that contribute - be it entrepreneurship, being the best damn employee in any discipline you are in, being active in charitable activities, chill out in ways that you enjoy and living upright lives in the Confucian tradition and treat all people well. Speak up and lead and be active politically and don't take a back seat to anyone. And learn martial arts.😀
Asians Americans want to take agency of their identity and narrative just like their African American counterparts. Why leave it to someone else to define how you perceive yourself.
Yes we should care and we should keep fighting for equal rights. Stop letting people step on our community and keep disrespecting us
I'm black American and my cousin and I were discussing this exact topic a couple days ago. We both find it funny how every other non white group is suddenly so loud about representation. It feels like all y'all are piggybacking off the work black people have been doing for a hundred years plus. However I think the reason it feels like that to me might be because Asian, latin American etc have had these discussions internally for years and its only hitting the non entertainment industry community because of the internet. Too many groups keep their inter community conversations internal and need to share them more otherwise it's gonna look like they only started fighting for representation after it got trendy.
@quontiumFACTS
It's interesting how much Asian Americans care. I'm Hong Kong Canadian who grew up in the 80s, we absolutely have no Asian identity at all. I never heard of the Asian grouping until I was 20. There were so many of us in Toronto, we were just Chinese. The Japanese were Japanese and kept to themselves. Koreans were few and far between. All our entertainment came via Hong Kong and we were fine not seeing Asians on mainstream media.
13:11 You rarely see any AFRO Latinos in rep in cinema or media on Gina Torres or Zoe Saldana to name only a few.
Fung Bro.'s forever.❤ Molly Ringwald, eat your heart out...
11:07 I commend the Asian community for caring about representation. Especially the Asian men. I feel the Black Community allows others to control and dictate their image and results are not so great. They need to take note of other groups and control that narrative.
It's weird to me anyone who would reject being seen... because it leads to influence and visibility. If you are isolationist people, which Asians are not... I could see that maybe.
It's only when you feel like you would hurt the image of whatever group you belong to.
I think PBS should make an Asian American show since they have known to lovable and relatable characters.
Hispanics care about representation just ask the Puerto Ricans. We know our Rican celebrities and how we're portrayed in movies and TV.
Puerto Ricans care about themselves too much. There are 800% more Mexicans in the US, but get way less representation, but we don't care
Yea but what I've noticed when I've read some of the reddit comments is that Asians don't want a stereotypical looking Asian they want a mixed Asian that has more European features.
It has to be besides Kpop especially BTS and Blackpink when comes to media
Asians and specifically Asian Americans are under represented and that makes us feel under appreciated. Growing up FilAm, all we had was Dante Basco and the Jabbawockeez. They goated tho!
Is this why Korean celebrities are so private?
Because they know what representation did to black people
Are you talking about representation affecting Black people positively or negatively?
@@daryndrake4393 more so negatively because the goal for them would be the positive representation and limit negative stereotypes. At the moment I would say negative representation through movies/media is pushed more. That gets more clicks than positive with enforces negative stereotypes. And theirs in particular are more detrimental such as them being dangerous/the villain. A lot of media that reaches Asian communities says that
What ive noticed is that Asians get mad when they show stereotypical looking Asian they want a more white looking actor.
We only started caring when the anti Asian men dating started to happen
The gaslighting is truly everywhere jfc
The act of demanding a desired media representation has never been part of the hero's journey. This needs to be changed aswell.
I understand wanting to be properly represented in media, but it's just not comparable to Black Americans. Asians and all these other recent groups who all of a sudden want a piece of the "American" pie, have their own media they can always go back to from their own countries. Remember, the U.S is our (Black Americans) home turf and we've had the biggest cultural influences by far. Our issue is that White people own these massive corporations and like to represent us in a negative spotlight. We've been fighting since day 1 and still have to because a lot of things still haven't changed. Trust me, if we could have our own media that our people controlled, we wouldn't care so much and Hollywood wouldn't be as successful. Too many people have false dreams about Hollywood, but if I was an Asian American, I'd stick with influencing my own country's media
Good point
@@MobbinMic Never! 👎
More Asian representation in Western nations means get ignored less by western media when bad things happened to Asians in Western nations.
Western born Asians cared a lot more about representation than Asians born Asians who just live in western nations. Why? For many reasons such as getting less racism and more opportunities if gets accepted by the white social structure. Some goes to the extreme to get accepted by this structure and start badmouthing Asians who rather hold on to their original ethnic identity instead of melding in with Western social structures.
Thus two school thoughts, Western Melting Pot or the failure of the western Melting Pot, emerged between this struggle for identity of Gen1 and 2 immigrants.
Rise of Asia certainly didn't help the Western Melting Pot any.
Mongoloid
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adjective
Mon·gol·oid ˈmäŋ-gə-ˌlȯid
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: of or relating to a group of people formerly considered to constitute a race (see RACE entry 1 sense 1a) of humans having Asian ancestry and classified according to physical traits (such as the presence of an epicanthal fold)
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or mongoloid dated, now offensive : of, relating to, or affected with Down syndrome
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I swear the 1st time I heard of this term was in a D&D game 25 years ago… don’t really hear it much anymore 🤔
Because of really bad stereotypes.
Crappy representation in media can be weaponized against Asians irl. Being made fun of and quoting movies as racist taunts.
Bad representation is only good if there's a balance between good and bad representation. This only applies to black and white like what David said, "binary". Asians are never accepted in racist Muirka.
If you don’t want to do your homework, want to date non-asian girls, and live/dress/speak like you take rap music seriously just say so, you’ll feel better. I know I did.
As long as I stay as a Roof Korean. I'm good.
Asians asking for affirmative actiom in media is hilarious.
Because to boba liberals representation is easier than liberation lol
Asians fault for not feeling welcome? lol. Dude. First off, instead your arbitrary 100 yrs. date, feel free to use The Chinese Exclusion act of 1882 for a reference (as that helps encapsulates the history of how Asians have been viewed, treated AND MADE to feel a certain way). Love what you guys try to do but god damn do you guys miss a ton regularly on the topics you cover. Rough to listen to if you're educated on these subjects and aren't afraid to piss off a certain section of audiences (which I get why you guys kinda have to do that).
Anyways, shitty that the convo has to focus around "which asians care more" (with some slight gaslighting attached btw), instead on breaking the down the much more important and real "why."
You need talent
Which u lack.