How Faze OutSmarted the GOAT in a Major Final
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Faze vs NaVi the Grand Final of the Major was S1mple's worst game at a major since 2018 vs Astralis. Lets look at how Faze targeted s1mple on Inferno and gave him 30 deaths in a single map. It was all planned.
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0:00 Intro
1:11 This is not a NORMAL bad game
1:48 Operation Kill S1mple
4:07 S1mple Gets an AWP
4:50 Simply Kill the S1mple
9:00 Countering S1mple on T Side
9:50 the 1v1
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tags: csgo major, csgo grand final, s1mple, faze vs navi, navi s1mple, counter-strike: global offensive, counter strike global offensive, counter-strike, csgo pro - Ігри
Counter strats are one of the most interesting things in pro cs imo, it's ridiculously impressive how well FaZe prepared for Navi and I love videos on this sort of stuff
Karrigan is a tactical genius. He is most well-known for his signature tactic "going A, but then winning a 2v5", but he also has a 2nd, lesser-known tactic "going B, but then rotating to A at 20 seconds". What an absolute legend. Top 3 IGL 4 sure.
top 2*
he is also known for his signature tactic "rain go kill"
And sometimes known for his book "How to lose a secured round"
Jokes aside, he's a really good captain, even as Navi fan I'm glad he won a major.
Gla1ve
@@python3x kinda funny he is know for that considering how anti throw faze is
And the fact that faze played the whole major without their coach behind them shows how strong this team's game plan and mentality is. Well deserved major
one thing that also surprised me is that they threw so many rounds but kept their cool after losing it
@@playersolis2724 yep, even won vs spirit after that 1v4 throw
cant get over the fact that they dont even have a sports psychologist or some shit like astralis. They really are just 5 bros who get along well with each other enough to win a major, thats freaking insane if you think about it
@@playersolis2724 I think it's because of karrigan, the reputation he has helps his teammates lean on him on mentally challenging situations and he handles them well. imo
Man, I was watching grand finals of Dreamhack Winter 2013 today and the way this game is played and the thought that is put in it has come a long way. The casters were seriously like "do you think they studied how plays this map?" While nowadays that's a given. I was really surprised how much it looked like they were just chaotically running and firing often times.
Natosaphix did a video comparing two games 2022 vs 2013. It's fun to watch.
@@CS_Sardine Thanks for the video. Yeah, that's the thing, exactly what I was thinking watching this whole final. I thought to myself maybe I just convinced myself it's that bad but I didn't start watching it with that mindset. All the time I thought to myself: am I insane or it looks like a gold nova mm game. Like what even is that? What are they doing? What did they expect to happen when they did X. This makes zero sense, etc, etc.
@@CS_Sardine so did voo actually
@@berni2905 It's like that with every sport. That's why comparing eras often isn't fair. Comparing Micheal Jordan with todays basketball stars. Watch old soccer games or old UFC is even more hilarious😂
@@Alex-fh4my I had an incling he did, not sure if I have watched it or not..
U can tell faze really did their research, also this match was really good at showing the importance of igl, and how they can dictate the game
Nice blend between strats and go-kill; well-played FaZe, even from a NaVi fan
10:40 you could see in ropz's POV that he was initially running to catch the player in middle, but then he realised he's against simple and stopped. Nice thinking from ropz
If you watch Karrigan’s come video, Twistz actually calls that he didn’t see where s1mple went.
Team plays >> a single player.
@faze_zywoo_fan Delusional Zywho fan crying because his idol can't even get to playoffs and is finished 🤣🤣😂😂🤣
It was Twistzz that called it when he died on banana and didn't see s1mple crossing
The fact, that S1mple hadn't played a map this bad in ages, just goes to prove the point that he is the GOAT.
Also goes to show how much FaZe deserved it if they could make him play this bad.
Right, it wasnt simple sucking as much as it was faze stomping.
@@identifiesas65.wheresmyche95 it was both actually, s1mple made so many mistakes that i wouldnt consider this game a normal one from him.
s0mple ghosts in big games just like NiKo. Fraud
bruh he underperformed massively in 3 out of the 4 major finals he has been in. Even simple chokes, but not as much as niko lol
imagine being so good at the game that one of, if not, the best team in the world set their entire game plan around countering YOU
heroic and cadian had a pretty strong showing against simple as well...
heroic played really well against navi. Almost took it 2-0
You know what though voo, you missed one incredible detail here. Navis playbook shrunk quite a bit, in an interview during the rmr s1mple said that this was the first time navi had any time to play together since the russia ukraine thing and that he hoped they could qualify for legends so that they at least had a few weeks to practice together before their games came up. If navi had more time to come up with a larger playbook and further antistrat they might have closed that inferno game and nuke could have been closer as a result, the stresd on navi for choking wouldve been on faze on nuke and even then, the decider map wouldve been a 50/50 at best, very likely this match was closed out by navi in a different world.
Wow and they still reach the finals. Damn
ah, wasn't aware of that. it does make sense especially with what I felt like was s1mple going for desperation plays a lot on Nuke. I suppose he knew with so little practice it was carry ore lose
@@vooCSGO yeah in s1mple and blad3's words they felt their prepration on maps was a bit off so they were relying on the work out in the RMRs and the Majors to get them across the line. They were missing that extra work that had served them well in Stockholm
Excuse lol
@@gopro6458 i mean…it is not really an excuse. Their bootcamp was located in kyiv ukraine and navis player can’t go back to their bootcamp to their facilities and stuff they worked on previously to make their plan and gameplay efficient as much as they were when they dominated . It was like 1-2 month without any 5 man practice. Navi when they dominated the csgo scene it’s not only just the individuals but also the preparation have got they this far.
And i do think they acknowledge this factor as well. If they lose the major with a lot of their preparation they would have been show players flopping on the table or any kind of massive frustration. The reaction i saw on the navi vlog and live were feels. ‘Yeah that’s it”
And it wasnt suprised at all. Ofcourse faze does counter navis play perfectly. Because they have navi as benchmark. Considering their struggles through team spirits i do think that the thing that make they win the major is the weakness of navis player when they have less preparation and their own preparation.
Dont get me wrong. Faze is “now” the best team and Navi is still a “Scary” team
Great counter strike games we have witness. Plz stop accuse any comments you dont agree with that kind of word. Peace
i hate to say it but excellent video
These videos are awesome, actually having the chance to understand in depth such great matches from a guy that knows what he's talking about. One video like this per S-tier tournament would be a dream come true (much like FaZe winning the major).
8:25 twistzz had thrown an extra flash for broky to line up, and that 3rd flash was the one i think that hit a player in navi. Nice play from faze
Glad someone finally talked about this. S1mple played bad because of fazes game plan.
Nah, he played good, but got out played very good
He just played the same two angles arch the entire game. No aggression, not style change, completely non-dynamic. Also boombl4 did nothing the entire Inferno game, Started 0-8 and did not get much impact from there.
He also are surrounded by a very real war in the CIS region which may have played a factor. Just being realistic
@@Auror3k boombla was too busy eating the pizzas that electronic and simple uses for face cream.
@@GGS348 the same excuse every time navi losses
Hey Voo, I was not previously a fan of your content but this video was concise, and informative. Would love to see more of this kind of content helping to understand the game better (sort of similar to warowls matchmaking academy but less rambly), I enjoy the tactical aspect of cs which is why I watch the pro scene a lot (coming from SC, Lol, Dota, HoN). Have a great weekend !
With that last round before OT, i agree that s1mple actually made a pretty smart decision. just got unlucky that ropz did something that probably no one wouldve expected. in ropz's head s1mple has just taken down 3 players, has bomb bottom mid, and knows that ropz is on A, and from that youd either expect ropz to either push down into mid where s1mple was aiming, or to go through ct giving s1mple A site. only thing i think you can really critizise s1mple for in that round was not walking up mid cause at the end of the day in a 1v1 you should prioritise not letting them know where you are
No he cant walk because of time, and if he walk too long ropz could've guessed s1mple going back a
@@chervilious thats true, didnt notice that. guess that means that s1mple really did play that to perfection but just got unlucky
No way simple can walk when he has only 15 seconds left to plant the bomb and he is still at the bottom of banana. From what I'm assuming, Simple peaked out mid and didn't see ropz and guessed that ropz must be rotating through arch to B to catch him planting the bomb and tried running to A or something like that.
I will say this tho, had he been running with his ak instead of knife, he might've killed ropz and ended the map. But ah well, we'll never know.
If you watch Karrigan's Faze team comms POV you actually get to see exactly what happened. Twistzz dies at the top of T stairs and because of where his body is he can see banana but not mid in the death cam, he makes the call that he can't see S1mple at banana pretty much guaranteeing that S1mple is running up mid.
@@home_taping damn yea that makes sense. Feels weird a death cam could’ve possible changed the outcome of a major. But even if it did go to a third map faze we’re just too overwhelming
Imagine a player so good it takes an entire professional team to keep him going 1 for 1
s1mple got absolutely cheesed and he cant feel bad. If you only lost because a team focused their entire game plan on you then there nothing you can do
fair but navi have often relied on him to carry a little too much, sure he CAN (usually) but every decent team playing against them is going to try to either counter or avoid him... i imagine he feels a bit let down by his team even if he feels he played at his best.
dude your analysis are so good,u deserve more subscribers
Love the content voo! keep it up
Can't believe Karrigan is out playing CS:GO instead of 4d chess or something.
That bracket's nade explanation at 9:20 was a little too much IMO. I don't think that was intentional at all. Because Faze would not have known how many players were behind the smoke, and if the nade was to push back a player, it could have pushed back, not just simple, but the other two as well.
What can be intentional tho is that ropz nade mid, so that it hides steps sounds long so that twistz can swing large. He just swings without flash or anything. I think it was a concept planned by faze.
The nade pushing them back still allows the swing from arch to clear top mid. These sorts of details are worked out by teams of people employed solely to analyze these scenarios
idts this was exactly for simple
It could have been for anyone on NaVi...it just happened to be on simple
well, it would be to push back anyone holding brackets from that angle, but yeah that one is more of a theory than something that they definitely did intentionally. it also could've been to mask footsteps a bit and get someone to sneak into cubby.
it's kinda similar to the ropz play on round 11. it's nice to think that it was calculated and they knew that NaVi ran the same strat against heroic in the quarter finals, but more likely ropz just saw an opening and took it (probably with some idea of how s1mple tends to play)
actually having thought about this a bit more -- ropz smokes off short to push someone at top mid to hold arch, then nades on top of someone holding arch. ofc it wasn't meant for ONLY s1mple but i do really think there's a high chance they knew that nade was likely to push someone off of the angle momentarily (probably they didn't expect 2 players in mid though, i'd guess they were thinking it'd allow them to go 1 for 0). not 100% for sure (and it could've just been to push back the solo mid holding player so someone could get into cubby) but it feels more likely to be intentional than not, to me. but that's just my POV. could well be wrong.
if you watched the comms from Karrigan's channel the final round actually Twistzz calls that he didn't see simple run in banana and calls that it could be a fake, which made Ropz stop at boiler.
Voo I bought your VPN and ranked up from silver elite to MG1 in a week by smurfing on EU servers. Thanks a lot man.
just play faceit wtf why would u pay to play with 150 ping on a shitty 64tick server with Russians
why would you get nordvpn... the shittiest fucking vpn ever...
Bro, I like the way u explain the game. So much passion and love. Have you ever consider of being a coach for competitive?
BANGER insight. I actually didn't get to catch the major GF and was stumped to see how NaVi "threw" the final when they're the better team (imo)
basically balls deep and be ready for the GOAT, even the goat can't take out 5 top tier players by himself all the time
your videos man are offthe charts! thanks!
You could see at the start of inferno how a big part of fazes strategy involved shutting down simple
It's like 2018 Astralis with all the strats
coincidence karrigan was IGL in astralis and recommended gla1ve for them? ;)
Little late but I think one thing you could’ve noted/speculated is that simple was faking B last round in regulation on twistzz’s deathcam. HOWEVER, twistzz’s deathcam was bugged into the side of the wall so then he commed “Didn’t see him, could comeback A” to ropz. Great video btw❤️
Jeez I love your nade analysis tool. It's so cool that you can filter the nade trajectories by areas you want them to pop
yeah it's great, what's that?
Excellent video glad I found you
10:48 actually made that play in MM as a meme after the major and the CT was pushing mid lol
great analysis video, really enjoyed this one
is is incredible to drag it from 14-whatever to 14-15...if simple had won the clutch who knows NaVi might have gotten their 2nd major...because for someone like karrigan, this would be 2 inferno fuckups in 2 major finals. Karrigan is probably very grateful to ropz because of the clutch and once it went to OT, well...
If you watch the karrigan coms video you can also see that during the 1v1 play twistzz told ropz that s1mple might be looking for a fight right after he gets traded, I'm guessing because he didn't see him run straight to b or hear him during his death cam before it switched to spectating
Very clever and impressive analysis. You've cast a different light on this match for me, esp. round 30.
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Ropz outsmarted simple outsmarting
Great Video, well explained
what program did you use to figure out how many times that flash had been thrown
noesis.gg
When the tactic of the enemy is 90% you, you know you're good
Hey voo where do you get this data man? I would love to get the hands on them. Could improve my game
On that play at 15-14 on Inferno S1mple tried to fake out Twistzz's death cam but in Karrigan's voice comms video, Twistzz actually didn't get to see anything from his death cam and commed to Ropz that he couldn't see anything and that S1mple could be running back. If Twistzz doesn't make that comm or gets a proper view of S1mple running B in his death cam then Ropz probably gets caught rotating through mid and dies. Super cool little detail.
Things has changed pretty soon.. haha
excellent video very informative
Let's be honest, someone had to find a way to counter Navi. I just hope that Navi learn from their mistakes and manage to be more unpredictable in the future
Well, there goes that
@@fab647 sadly yes. What I'm hoping for now is that electronic and/or perfecto don't get kicked as well. And maybe, MAYBE someday in the future we can see boombl4 back on. 😥
Edit: Tbh, I read somehere that something like this might happen, and thought that it would, because I thought that Navi already knew about it, and that's why s1mple was raging so much, and generally why the team didn't seem concentrated
@@dragonbeast1159 i'm pretty sure perfecto will stay. afaik he wasnt living in russia even before the war and that is one of the biggest issues out of the way. electronic on the other hand...
What is the program at 2:45? Its not mentioned in description
in the last clip if you listen to faze's coms that karrigan uploaded, twistz actually told ropz he didnt see simple cross to bannana in his death screen making ropz stay top mid.
It’s interesting hearing faze comms this game too they call when they kill him sometiems
what is this tool you use at 2:50 to see flashes etc?
I love watchin this game live
I love how the Most Played bookmark is after the #ad lmao
2:50 what software do you use
Top tier analytical CSGO content
You know you’re good when people have to counter strat you as an individual.
What a great video.
Karrigan is so smart
yeah agree on that last round ppl are hyper critical of pros for making plays that didnt work , just bc it didnt work doesnt make it a bad play
Very nice way of explanation bro perfectly read
Meanwhile I keep throwing a short smoke from spawn, pushing mid with a flash and always either getting the long player or giving myself a good position in ct spawn within 20s of the round.
Btw, now faceit lvl 7 and it still works.
What can simple do to prevent oter team counter measures or improve against best teams or teams having gameplan for him?
yo nice video dude i like it
I may have lost out on a diamond coin but I got an integrale out of it
there's a method to karrigan's madness
Do you know when you'll do faceit demo reviews again? Thanks.
During that 1v1, twistzz made the call that simple might not rushing B and its 50/50. So ropz having the tendency as a passive player, stayed.
Karrigan released the comm recently.
What is he using there to track all those nades? (2:49)
This
Can you also tell how navi taking controll of banna everytime.
While I see (and enjoy) the tactical plays I got say that I'm still astonished that even on that level some quite important things are quite random and rather luck-based.
He kept messing with his headphones throughout the tournament, something wasn't right
This major was won by that last round in inferno. If faze lose that inferno, i cant even imagine how bad karrigan and rain would have felt.
Using a VPN to play MM on the others side of the planet and thinking you actually have 30 ping is the stupidest thing I have ever seen. You would have better ping without the VPN.
i really never suggested that your ping to somewhere across the world is going to be low
Ah yes, let me connect to Europe servers and experience the same game but with 700 ping. Big brain time
More like 150 ping, which is very playable IF you don't hold static angles and go for entry frags.
How do I know? I play with friends from overseas and Europe is the common middle ground for all of us spread around the world.
It takes some getting used to, but I was able to adjust within a few days and have great games at 150+ ping.
You can't rely on aim at all at these ping levels though, just focus on positioning and being a good support to your team mates. Improved my game drastically tbh, but not because of my opponents, but because the ping forced me to develop roles which I had never played or been good at.
1 bad game in years just show how good he is , Navi underperforming anyways , faze now is on another level individually , but I'm sure simple will find a way like he always did
10:04 s1mple fakes going B so that Twistzz could see him going B on his deathcam. That was his plan, however Twistzz deathcam was facing the wall and he didn't see him, so s1mple's plan didn't work.
You forget to mention the crowd started *stupidly screaming* when s1mple was approaching ropz and probably made s1mple draw his gun
god that tilted me so much, but I didn't want to claim that it was 100% the crowd because with time on the clock it's not IMPOSSIBLE s1mple would've done that anyways
About that 1v1 of Simple. The only reason he switched back to the gun was because of the roar of the crowd anticipating the kill. Mind-blowing that pro's at this level also have to take crowd reactions into consideration and try to understand their energy.
what's really funny is if you watch the final round of the game -- the crowd starts cheering at about 6s left and all of navi start to run back to site thinking the game is over. turns out the crowd was cheering because broky got the bomb plant haha
@@vooCSGO oh wow, just looked it up. Great catch :D
Idk man, that match against Akuma was pretty bad for s1mple if you ask me.
it wasn't a Major tho
@@ham_borgar he is joking cuz the probability was very high of Akuma cheating in that game using radar hacks
@@DV-do3id no, im not actually but i guess there is some possibility in that aswell.
@@tho3459 "some possibility" yeah right, s1mple and like a ton of teams raising up this accusation aagainst them and them going absolutely absent after there was no 0 HLTV delay only amounts to "some" lmao
O pior foi o jogo contra a MIBR, onde ele matou no máximo 10 na partida toda. Contra um time recém montado
God analysis
Only took the stress from his family and friends dying over the invasion of he’s country to finally get to him and his whole team.
s1mple does anything
voo: "my time to shine"
it's free realestate
Flashing simple off..amazing strat ..amazing karrogna
9:50 Some more info on this round is that Twistzz made the call for Ropz to not rotate and instead stay boiler. This is most likely because of the death cam giving Twistzz a glimpse of simple. I’m getting this info from Karrigans voice comms video so you can watch that and decide for yourself as well.
he said initially he was going B (he assumed), and then basically called it back with I'm not sure cuz his death cam I think faced the wall. I think part of s1mple's play was based on assuming twistzz would see him running B on the death cam
@@vooCSGO yep. Im just giving credit to Twistzz since most players would have called simple going to B on the kill cam.
great vid
navi team is built around s1mple without him the round is prolly over
How tf can see all of faze nades too pls
s1mple played like s0mple
How do you get so low ping with vpn?
How clicking heads can take a degree
2022 ... players still dont get that cs is a teamgame
Looks of good analysis here. If you play arch side you can also time your push with a teammates nade too, seeing how it causes the players to separate or jump.
As for the 1v1 - He gambled on the low chance of winning and lost. Even IF you wanted to make that play, the team's money being shit meant he should have prioritised B for the bomb plant regardless. Meh, it is what it is.
*Look how they massacred my boy...*
Very interesting. Why the caster don't tell that in the game. Would be interesting.
Pro players brains are giant dude Jesus
Actually this time lowers teams also played very well
I actually thought the 1v1 was a mistake, thanks
it was a major mistake before the round started, see the #s, he has $ left over, so does b1t... b1t buys a galil, left over 1400, gets 1 kill (1700)... coulda drop deagles or tec9s.... no way s1mple runs w knife out if he had a deagle...
i think it was just a beast play by ropz calling the bluff and holding that extra moment for info. it was totally possible for ropz to be rotated towards B already at that point and s1mple dodging towards A could very well have been the winning play. all else equal ropz had defensive advantage. s1mple had to make a move with 0:20 left and lots of angles to clear.
@@wek33 Twistzz called out that he didn’t see s1mple go banana
re ropz: calculated push with lucky timing. s1mple could have swung, b1t could have looked right, anything. perhaps it was the risk needed for faze to ultimately win.
Is not lucky that nade was a tell how bit and electronic would play and s1mple like to hold close that's why he hard clear the angle more than anything
Imo s1mple played like he is/was the best player in the world, but he also played as if he wasn't against the best team in the world. The 15-15 round shows it. If he took a moment to think that he was 1v1ing ropz, he would have know ropz would not have just ran down mid without 100% knowing where s1mple was. Also just the amount of punished repeeks he had this game
I mean not even best players in the game can outplay The No.1 Team in the World look at Astralis for example they outplayed s1mple so many times in 2018