Nowadays you also have the option of the Sailor 1911 profit Casual which from what i gathered is pretty mutch a sailor 1911 standart with a steel nib that should have the same engravings, it is in the aboit 70€ range. I don't own one yet. So this is what i gut from retailer information and some reviews found online which are somewhat scarce thats to to fact that the pen was release about a year ago i think.
I just heard about the Sailor Casual last week. It sounds like a fantastic pen. I've always liked my Sailor Pro Color, but there aren't many nib options for that pen (F and MF?). I've seen the Casual available in EF, F, M, and B. I wonder if this is just the beginning for an entire new line of pens...will there be more colors available in the future? Will the Pro Gear get a steel nib model? I've always wanted to try a Sailor broad nib, but I don't use broad nibs enough to justify buying a gold nib. The Casual is a very interesting pen to me. Thanks for commenting, Peter. 😀
@@gadgetstop321 yeah i too am interested if they migjt do the same thing with the pro gear line i think pens like these are a great introduction to penlines such as these which are rather expensive for some and provide a cheaper alternative in the line of pens you might like. Thus i think it is a good step foward I also happend to have heard about the pen about 2 and a half week ago and pretty mutch decided then and there that i will get one.
I have both of these pens - the case, of course, is better / denser with the Standard (the Promenade is even better). But I like more writing Procolor 500 - the nib writes more tasty, more feelings.
I actually prefer the ProColour to the 1911 Standard. As mentioned on another video, the 1911 gives me a number of problems as a composite of sharp threads and narrow section. The ProColour has the latter but not the former. I bought my ProColours from Amazon UK and Cult Pens UK, if you're looking for an alternative to Japanese sellers. I can recommend Cult Pens highly. In terms of the ProColour I don't know if it is the original design from which the Jinhao 992, Monteverde Monza and Wing Sung 9133 were fashioned, but while the barrel end is a plug on all those, I've not heard of cracking issues on the ProColour or WS9133. (The 992 & Monza are both prone to cracking, unsurprising when they are the same pen.)
Great video! I'm going check out the Sailor Pro Color right now on EBay! I've been wanting to try the different nibs that Sailor offers, but not all in gold. I ordered the Sailor Profit standard 1911 with the 21k zoom nib. I love to sketch with fountain pens, so I'm happy about ordering that. I want to try the music nib maybe on the Pro Color. Thanks for the review! 🖋😎👍
You're welcome! I don't own any broad nibs, in fact I've never used one. I had ordered a Pro Gear with a 21k broad nib but the deal fell through. Good luck with your new pens.
I wonder though, if the material of the pen's body, and the feel it provides to the hand, is the same? I have neither pen, but I doubt that. And a difference in feel, if not very minimal, would in itself justify the price differential. As for the nibs, the feeling gap between the 21K and the others is larger than 14k and the lower steel one. But still, the 14k gives a better feel, if not by very much.
The feel of the Pro Color in my hand is indistinguishable from the 1911 Standard. The materials used for each feel identical. I've never written with a Sailor 21k nib, but I'm sure you're correct when you say it feels significantly different from both the steel and the 14k nibs.
The writing experience is very similar. Infact, there's no discernable difference between the feel of the stainless steel nib and the 14k nib on paper since the gold nibs are so stiff.
Another great review. I wondered what would be your suggestion for a smooth writing entry level pen and a smooth writing next level pen. I would tell you my favorites so far but I was hoping for an unbiased opinion first. Thanks for your advice
For those who prefer medium and broad nibs there would be more options, but my experience is mostly with fine nibs. For anyone looking for a smooth fine nib I recommend any pen with a Pilot steel nib as an entry level pen and for the next level I recommend a Pilot gold nib. My personal favorites are the Prera and the Custom 74, but there are other pens that would work if those don't suit a person's style. In my experience TWSBI also has smooth fine nibs, but they write broader than a Pilot fine and I prefer Pilot. So what would your recommendations be?
@@gadgetstop321 One of the reasons I asked you is I knew you preferred fine nibs. Since I am new to fountain pens, I realize that my opinions will change, but I think I like how it is possible to see the properties of the in in wider nibs. However, for my small handwriting and for my needs, I think a fine nib is what I need ( notes, journaling, & planner). I Love my TWSBI stub and my Diplomat broad nib but other than admiring them on a page, I don't use them. My pilot Knight was my most used pen until I just received my Prera. I Love that pen. So, your comment about the pilot nibs hit home. My original top 3 choices are 1. Pilot custom 74/92 2. Pilot Vanishing point 3. Lamy 2000. After hearing your opinion, I think that this is still a good idea. Do you happen to prefer the 74 over the 92? My understanding is the difference is the filling mechanism. Some don't like the pilot con70 converter? But I don't know enough to have an opinion yet. Any suggestions?
My preferences are similar to yours. I have a couple stub nibs and a couple western mediums, but other than playing around, they rarely get used. I've never tried a Lamy 2000, but I'm sure it's a great pen. I have a Lamy Studio with an extra-fine gold nib and it is fantastic. I've never used a Custom Heritage 92, but I think I would like it better than the Custom 74 because when posted it's a little shorter (because of the flat ends). I'm considering getting a Custom Heritage 91. The 91 and 92 have the same body, but the 91 uses the Con 70 and the 92 is a piston filler. I actually prefer a converter over a piston filler because it's easy to clean especially if you have an ink syringe.
@@gadgetstop321 I am really curious about the custom heritage line and can't find anything that compares each of them. For instance, I didn't know that the 91 and 92 are only different by the filling mechanism. I also didn't know that the converter was easier to clean. In fact, I read or heard somewhere, that the con 70 was difficult to clean and thought a piston filler might be easier. That is important information so Thank You. Yes, thankfully, I have a syringe for my pens. Luckily, I found the cleaning set from Goulet pens early on. I wish I had bought the maintenance set as well, but that will be on my next purchase. Thank you for all your help. If you happen to know a source of information for me to learn more about the custom heritage line of Pilot Pens, please let me know. Have a fantastic and blessed week.
@@michaelreed649 I think the reason that it's so difficult to find information about the Custom Heritage line is that the 92 is the only Custom Heritage pen officially sold in the US. I'm just learning the difference by comparing the specs of pens that I find for sale. The issue I run into is not all pens have the same name in the US as they do in Japan.
What does the medium and fine gold nib of Sailor ProGear compare with Pilot Prera M or Kaweco F? Im not sure about get Sailor on F or M because I want a fine nib which doesnt be scrachy. Thank you and sorry for comment on this “late vídeo”.
I prefer pens with fine nibs. So when I use Pilot pens I prefer a fine nib. With Kaweco I prefer extra-fine. With Sailor pens I prefer medium because the fine feels scratchy with some inks and paper.
finally bought the Procolor demonstrator as it has MF nib and it writes just as great as the 14k nib, though as you said in other video, the steel seems to write a lot wetter and therefore just a hair thicker than the 14k counterpart. I really think the F steel nib would be excellent to start from for anyone interested in Sailor, specially because I write Japanese, the MF had been a little difficult for writing kanji in standard 6mm rule, and that the F on Century 3776 has been the best but I love Sailor's nib the most. I can swap the cap, body, section with my Pro Gear Slim so it's pretty funny. additionally it looks surprisingly just as great as 14k level pen. I also own the Jinhao clone with the very same clear model, and I don't regret my decision to buy the original at all.
Hey how does the steel procolour F nib compare to a pilot 74/91 14k nib in terms of smoothness ,"give" and wetness? I have a custom heritage 91 F and I'm eyeing a procolour F in stardust, wanted to know if worth getting my first sailor :D
The line width of Sailor fine nibs are similar to to Pilot fine nibs. Sailor steel and 14k nibs are both rigid with no "give". Sailor fine nibs are not as smooth as Pilot nibs but I enjoy the steel nib of the Pro Color and I do recommend trying one to get a feel for Sailor nibs.
@@ShashwatShukla10In my experience the Sailor 14k nib and the Sailor Pro Color steel nib feel similar, but the Lecoule and Compass steel nibs feel different.
@@TheRealJanKafka come on brother, that wasn't needed. I agree sailor nibs are fine (get the pun?) but Lamy isn't too lazy. I love the Lamy nibs. And the possibility of switching the nib sizes or changing them if you accidentally drop your pen ( which will surely happen if you actually USE your pen) is a huge bonus.
To write with a real Nib F or EF fountain pen. Lamy only plays nib M his EF is also an M, but if you like Lamy why change? Anyway all the Company know how to make good nib M. For now only the Japanese and few Italians know how to make real smooth and soft F or EF. salior is top of the range also in japan, but I prefer Pilot.
For the money, I feel like the Pro Color is the better deal. The nib on mine is fantastic. It's stainless steel but writes similar to a Sailor gold nib.
Thanks for the most pleasing reviews. Sailor pen line was quite confusing for me until I listened to it from you.
Nowadays you also have the option of the Sailor 1911 profit Casual which from what i gathered is pretty mutch a sailor 1911 standart with a steel nib that should have the same engravings, it is in the aboit 70€ range.
I don't own one yet. So this is what i gut from retailer information and some reviews found online which are somewhat scarce thats to to fact that the pen was release about a year ago i think.
I just heard about the Sailor Casual last week. It sounds like a fantastic pen. I've always liked my Sailor Pro Color, but there aren't many nib options for that pen (F and MF?). I've seen the Casual available in EF, F, M, and B. I wonder if this is just the beginning for an entire new line of pens...will there be more colors available in the future? Will the Pro Gear get a steel nib model? I've always wanted to try a Sailor broad nib, but I don't use broad nibs enough to justify buying a gold nib. The Casual is a very interesting pen to me. Thanks for commenting, Peter. 😀
@@gadgetstop321 yeah i too am interested if they migjt do the same thing with the pro gear line i think pens like these are a great introduction to penlines such as these which are rather expensive for some and provide a cheaper alternative in the line of pens you might like. Thus i think it is a good step foward
I also happend to have heard about the pen about 2 and a half week ago and pretty mutch decided then and there that i will get one.
@@gadgetstop321 Just bought a Casual with a Zoom nib. Let's see how it is when it comes in the mail!
I have both of these pens - the case, of course, is better / denser with the Standard (the Promenade is even better). But I like more writing Procolor 500 - the nib writes more tasty, more feelings.
I agree. There's something about the steel nib on the pro Color 500 that makes it a joy to use.
I actually prefer the ProColour to the 1911 Standard. As mentioned on another video, the 1911 gives me a number of problems as a composite of sharp threads and narrow section. The ProColour has the latter but not the former. I bought my ProColours from Amazon UK and Cult Pens UK, if you're looking for an alternative to Japanese sellers. I can recommend Cult Pens highly. In terms of the ProColour I don't know if it is the original design from which the Jinhao 992, Monteverde Monza and Wing Sung 9133 were fashioned, but while the barrel end is a plug on all those, I've not heard of cracking issues on the ProColour or WS9133. (The 992 & Monza are both prone to cracking, unsurprising when they are the same pen.)
Great video! I'm going check out the Sailor Pro Color right now on EBay! I've been wanting to try the different nibs that Sailor offers, but not all in gold. I ordered the Sailor Profit standard 1911 with the 21k zoom nib. I love to sketch with fountain pens, so I'm happy about ordering that. I want to try the music nib maybe on the Pro Color. Thanks for the review! 🖋😎👍
You're welcome! I don't own any broad nibs, in fact I've never used one. I had ordered a Pro Gear with a 21k broad nib but the deal fell through. Good luck with your new pens.
I wonder though, if the material of the pen's body, and the feel it provides to the hand, is the same?
I have neither pen, but I doubt that. And a difference in feel, if not very minimal, would in itself justify the price differential.
As for the nibs, the feeling gap between the 21K and the others is larger than 14k and the lower steel one. But still, the 14k gives a better feel, if not by very much.
The feel of the Pro Color in my hand is indistinguishable from the 1911 Standard. The materials used for each feel identical. I've never written with a Sailor 21k nib, but I'm sure you're correct when you say it feels significantly different from both the steel and the 14k nibs.
After about more than a year do you think it is worth it to get a procolor500? I already have the pro gear slim so I was just wondering.
The writing experience is very similar. Infact, there's no discernable difference between the feel of the stainless steel nib and the 14k nib on paper since the gold nibs are so stiff.
Another great review.
I wondered what would be your suggestion for a smooth writing entry level pen and a smooth writing next level pen.
I would tell you my favorites so far but I was hoping for an unbiased opinion first.
Thanks for your advice
For those who prefer medium and broad nibs there would be more options, but my experience is mostly with fine nibs. For anyone looking for a smooth fine nib I recommend any pen with a Pilot steel nib as an entry level pen and for the next level I recommend a Pilot gold nib. My personal favorites are the Prera and the Custom 74, but there are other pens that would work if those don't suit a person's style. In my experience TWSBI also has smooth fine nibs, but they write broader than a Pilot fine and I prefer Pilot. So what would your recommendations be?
@@gadgetstop321 One of the reasons I asked you is I knew you preferred fine nibs.
Since I am new to fountain pens, I realize that my opinions will change, but I think I like how it is possible to see the properties of the in in wider nibs.
However, for my small handwriting and for my needs, I think a fine nib is what I need ( notes, journaling, & planner).
I Love my TWSBI stub and my Diplomat broad nib but other than admiring them on a page, I don't use them.
My pilot Knight was my most used pen until I just received my Prera.
I Love that pen.
So, your comment about the pilot nibs hit home.
My original top 3 choices are
1. Pilot custom 74/92
2. Pilot Vanishing point
3. Lamy 2000.
After hearing your opinion, I think that this is still a good idea.
Do you happen to prefer the 74 over the 92?
My understanding is the difference is the filling mechanism.
Some don't like the pilot con70 converter?
But I don't know enough to have an opinion yet.
Any suggestions?
My preferences are similar to yours. I have a couple stub nibs and a couple western mediums, but other than playing around, they rarely get used. I've never tried a Lamy 2000, but I'm sure it's a great pen. I have a Lamy Studio with an extra-fine gold nib and it is fantastic. I've never used a Custom Heritage 92, but I think I would like it better than the Custom 74 because when posted it's a little shorter (because of the flat ends). I'm considering getting a Custom Heritage 91. The 91 and 92 have the same body, but the 91 uses the Con 70 and the 92 is a piston filler. I actually prefer a converter over a piston filler because it's easy to clean especially if you have an ink syringe.
@@gadgetstop321 I am really curious about the custom heritage line and can't find anything that compares each of them.
For instance,
I didn't know that the 91 and 92 are only different by the filling mechanism. I also didn't know that the converter was easier to clean.
In fact, I read or heard somewhere, that the con 70 was difficult to clean and thought a piston filler might be easier.
That is important information so Thank You.
Yes, thankfully, I have a syringe for my pens. Luckily, I found the cleaning set from Goulet pens early on.
I wish I had bought the maintenance set as well, but that will be on my next purchase.
Thank you for all your help.
If you happen to know a source of information for me to learn more about the custom heritage line of Pilot Pens, please let me know.
Have a fantastic and blessed week.
@@michaelreed649 I think the reason that it's so difficult to find information about the Custom Heritage line is that the 92 is the only Custom Heritage pen officially sold in the US. I'm just learning the difference by comparing the specs of pens that I find for sale. The issue I run into is not all pens have the same name in the US as they do in Japan.
Was just wondering, but are the caps and sections of the pens interchangeable?
That's a good question...yes they are!
What does the medium and fine gold nib of Sailor ProGear compare with Pilot Prera M or Kaweco F? Im not sure about get Sailor on F or M because I want a fine nib which doesnt be scrachy. Thank you and sorry for comment on this “late vídeo”.
I prefer pens with fine nibs.
So when I use Pilot pens I prefer a fine nib.
With Kaweco I prefer extra-fine.
With Sailor pens I prefer medium because the fine feels scratchy with some inks and paper.
gadgetstop321 thank you so much!
finally bought the Procolor demonstrator as it has MF nib and it writes just as great as the 14k nib, though as you said in other video, the steel seems to write a lot wetter and therefore just a hair thicker than the 14k counterpart. I really think the F steel nib would be excellent to start from for anyone interested in Sailor, specially because I write Japanese, the MF had been a little difficult for writing kanji in standard 6mm rule, and that the F on Century 3776 has been the best but I love Sailor's nib the most.
I can swap the cap, body, section with my Pro Gear Slim so it's pretty funny. additionally it looks surprisingly just as great as 14k level pen. I also own the Jinhao clone with the very same clear model, and I don't regret my decision to buy the original at all.
I'm glad it has worked out well for you! I wish I had discovered the Pro Color sooner. They are getting harder to find here in the US.
Hey how does the steel procolour F nib compare to a pilot 74/91 14k nib in terms of smoothness ,"give" and wetness? I have a custom heritage 91 F and I'm eyeing a procolour F in stardust, wanted to know if worth getting my first sailor :D
The line width of Sailor fine nibs are similar to to Pilot fine nibs.
Sailor steel and 14k nibs are both rigid with no "give".
Sailor fine nibs are not as smooth as Pilot nibs but I enjoy the steel nib of the Pro Color and I do recommend trying one to get a feel for Sailor nibs.
@@gadgetstop321 okay thanks for the insight :)
@@gadgetstop321 would you say it is representative of how Sailor nibs feel in general? How does it compare with the Sailor Lecoule nib?
@@ShashwatShukla10In my experience the Sailor 14k nib and the Sailor Pro Color steel nib feel similar, but the Lecoule and Compass steel nibs feel different.
This procolor is much more expensive than a lamy safary or al-star, which is made of aluminium. Is it worth paying the difference?
For someone who is a fan of the Lamy Safari pens, it probably wouldn't be worth it.
Yes, because the Lamy Safari and its brethren are crap and Sailor pens at every level are great.
@@TheRealJanKafka come on brother, that wasn't needed. I agree sailor nibs are fine (get the pun?) but Lamy isn't too lazy. I love the Lamy nibs. And the possibility of switching the nib sizes or changing them if you accidentally drop your pen ( which will surely happen if you actually USE your pen) is a huge bonus.
To write with a real Nib F or EF fountain pen. Lamy only plays nib M his EF is also an M, but if you like Lamy why change? Anyway all the Company know how to make good nib M. For now only the Japanese and few Italians know how to make real smooth and soft F or EF. salior is top of the range also in japan, but I prefer Pilot.
Southern accent eh?
Yep! 😉
@@gadgetstop321 I would say with some Oriental streak in it.
@@tam-tam1970 🤔
@@gadgetstop321was I wrong? -:).
@@tam-tam1970 You were wrong. 😆
Now I'm a little curious abot differences/similarities between the Pro Color and Lecoule. 😇🩷🙏🙌
For the money, I feel like the Pro Color is the better deal. The nib on mine is fantastic. It's stainless steel but writes similar to a Sailor gold nib.