the bi-product of combustion of the fuel used (methane) is water and CO2. There is no industrial waste. thus requiring a permit is a mis-application of regulation. The quenching system reduces noise and shock pressure pollution, and is used by all rocket launches of this scale. This sounds like disgruntled people who like paying more taxes and don't like local employment. (Compared to all other US space agencies or companies, spaceX is by far the cheapest per launch, so less taxes to pay for nasa bills.) Currently spaceX is the only one that doesn't use toxic materials for rocket fuel. If the local county hasn't given them a permit (which they shouldn't need), the activists should be harassing the permit people to process the application quicker. It's plain to us armchair youtube watchers that the objecters are not basing their objections on basic science. This is not a chemical factory. In fact if elon decides to manufacture methane from the CO2 in the air, they will be recycling the CO2 as well, which is more than can be said for the rest of the combustion happening in Texas. Comments about mercury are dubious, as mercury is not used in combustion or containers on site.🚀
It's a technicality based solely on a federal definition. If this was applied to all such violators, you would have to close all businesses & almost all homes.
I think it was Elon that said the mercury report was false, specifically, someone multiple a number twice. So the level of mercury is what is naturally found anywhere. But when multiplied twice it makes it 100 times over. Someone made a "mistake" when doing the math for that report.
If an large asteroid was discovered to be on it's way to earth would we only start working to deflect it once all environmental studies and impact assessments had been completed and approved?
What about the environment on the asteroid ? Is there life , maybe not as we know it , but space life. Will we destroy that environment to save our own , who are we to make such a decision ?? I could go toe Texas and dig dirt for testing , can someone go to an asteroid to dig dirt ??
@@thesink5723 That sounds like extreme sarcasm or simply an overt absurdity. If an asteroid we're heading toward to collide with earth obviously any life on it would be destroyed by an impact on earth. And destroying an approaching asteroid is an a realistic option anyway. But deflection is as described below. Measures are already being taken to deflect an asteroid if it was perceived as threatening earth as with the DART probe the impacted on the asteroid Dimorphos in Sept. 2022. It was a successful test.
Human stupidity is in the human species itself, no matter what planet it's on and who is on that planet. One human is enough stupid to start the ticket.
All the competitors of SpaceX constantly whine about SpaceX and write complaints at the Kennedy Space Center and Cape Canaveral. They must delay Musk till they can catch up.
Elon is way more than "conservative", he's radical. But that's politics, it has nothing to do with space flight. If that's behind any of this, it needs to stop now.
YUP! It is political for sure! If they still thought Elon was liberal, he would have zero issues. But Elon is to intelligent to be liberal and they don't like it.
@@arrowman4 he's not a conservative, he's a classic liberal. Just the left has gone so far left, that even moderates are considered conservative by far leftist
Pentagon won’t care. Most of their work is on Falcon 9 and Falcon heavy. As far as point to point cargo transport goes, the pentagon has wanted that forever and can wait a little longer for Blue Origin to do it.
@@max-q7129 He said cancel everything. Cancel all government contracts. Falcon 9 is profitable just flying Starlink. At least profitable enough, SpaceX could keep going while the government feels the pain.
Triple Like on this comment. Also, English ghouls in Parliament attacking Elon also constitute a national security threat to the USA for the same reason.
Environmentalists are extremely hypicrical when it comes to chemicals flushed down toilets everyday. Has anyone ever looked at hormone pills, the contraception pill in particular on how that affects wildlife?
They should shut it all down in Texas, and move everything to Florida, then move all their corporate headquarters to Florida as well. We would love to have them here.
No we want him here in Texas! Far too much infrastructure already built here, to just abandon it. They will overcome this - and they deserve for it to be overcome. This whole thing is much ado about nothing.
@@PaulSter I have a better proposal. Let's move SpaceX to China, nobody will complain about environmental requirements. The real win-win situation. Americans don't need space industry. And anyway most of the US companies are doing it, starting from democratoc and environmental sensible Apple ending at Tesla. But seriously, if this is so important gov agencies should help to solve this problem. But I see more and more Americans became more and more stupid. I have the conspiracy theory that BR is keeping its hand on water treatment production which is served to biggest cities population. Probably mercury effect.
The issue stems simply from the nomenclature describing the water usage at Space X. The actual process is nearly identical to rainwater, which depending on atmospheric conditions could contain more harmful contaminants (effectively nil) with a far greater volume of water. By definition the water could be named wastewater because it was involved in a process for heat dispersion and sound dampening. So the reality is a rainstorm could be considered a process of cooling atmospheric temperatures and sound suppression. The rainwater has gone through a process of evaporation and then precipitation so the rainwater has gone through a similar process. This one of the areas environmental and code legislation can often subordinate something called common sense. I worked with a company in So. California that reclaimed and refined precious metals. A prime example of legislation vs. common sense would be the following. If I was in the assay lab and poured the most popular soft drink into a beaker and an EPA auditor was on the premises and saw me dumping or rinsing the beaker after drinking most of the soda. He would likely want a sample of it for testing. Particularly if the soda was from an aluminum can, the results would have been in violation of the EPA and wastewater guidelines and the company would have been fined. The PPM of carbonic acid, phosphoric acid and lead, and potentially another trace metal would have exceeded the amount considered safe for disposal into the sewer system. If the EPA auditor saw me dumping the soda from the retail labeled can, there would have been no violation because common sense would tell him it is no big deal. The nomenclature of the unknown substance in the beaker whereas the nomenclature of the labeled can of soda would be soda and thus okay to dump the remains of the contents of the can, but not okay to dump the remains of the same contents in the beaker. That may not be the best parallel for what is happening at Space X, but very, very close to the same type of thing. I have had to deal with CAL-OSHA, OSHA, AQMD, EPA, local and state building code inspectors, DOT and the list goes on. From my experience, the real issue is more to do with fear of the potential exposure to the public and how it would be perceived. So, if you make this appear to be a complex problem and invest a lot of time investigating the problem, the public is generally satisfied, if you don't the perception is the agency doesn't care is not doing it's due diligence. Of course I could be wrong, but the solution is cheap and simple. EPA needs to sample the water before, during and after the flooding, possibly even sampling the air in the immediate vicinity as well. It actually takes on water flush sampling with engine ignitions and that's it. In fact, installation of fairly inexpensive sampling devices could could monitor on a periodic basis to record any potential changes in the water, air and soil quality. I have done the tests over 45 years ago on a directly coupled plasma spectrometer and each test took about 3-4 hours maximum. I am sure the tech is much faster today than it was back then. Back then the spectrometer was connected to a brand new, very expensive 386 computer.
Awh, the 386... Those were the days... and days, and days... lol. I still have one and use it as a word processor on Windows 3.12. And yup, it's stable !!!! lol. (dos 6 I think!)
These groups and tribes can "accuse" all they want. I really don't see them as a risk to SpaceX's operations in Boca Chica, but really, more of a nuisance. The fact is, nothing short of wiping the entire operation off the map is going to make them happy. Let's not forget about the powerful forces that want SpaceX to succeed. Heck, the vast majority of the people of Brownsville, and other nearby residents, desperately want SpaceX there. Of course, our state does as well.
Actually I believe they are just angeling for a big financial payoff. Just like the earlier one where Spacex provided a bunch of money for turtles and birds. Apparently not everyone got their share of the money so they are back for more.
Can you name a problem that doesn't currently exist ?? You can't build to protect something no one even sees !! If that were true , no gas cars would have been ever produced , no tampons that contain , I think mercury? , Chernobyl would never have happened , so many other things. How long did it take to find out about asbestos??
Space X using tap water basically, most gets turned into steam (gets distilled), rocket exhaust is mostly steam, and no processing of water anywhere - sounds like a regulation being wrongly applied - regulation might be applicable for mine tailing ponds - but not for boiling pue water.
If Texas environmental officials are really concerned about the environment, they should be outraged at all of the fracking facilities across the state! Perhaps they should test Austin drinking water for mercury & other “industrial waste” contaminates! I would guess the mercury levels in Austin drinking water are more than 11parts per million that their complaint against Starbase lists!
And how easy do you think it is to pick up a multi-billion dollar project and move it to another country without even considering the extenuating circumstances??
If SpaceX built a launch site on the end of a pier over the Ocean, the environmentalists would claim the water deluge would harm the Ocean. Regardless, SpaceX moving towards a flame trench diverter on the 2nd tower greatly reduces the amount of water used
This is what happens when BIG BROTHER disagrees with who you support for President. Don't worry they are only looking out for our best interests, so vote RIGHT (For who we chose ) or else.
SpaceX originally planned Boca Chica for the Falcon. It is a better location for equatorial launches. In 2018, SpaceX announced a change in plans to use it exclusively for Starship.
They can't move out of the US. Way too many industrial secrets. This is why SpaceX can't hire just anyone off the street no matter what they know or how skilled they are. The government has rules SpaceX must follow.
@@adenwellsmith6908 I haven't studied the subject to answer the source of the mercury, but to accuse the environmentalists of planting it with zero evidence is irresponsible, conspiracy theory talk.
It seems to me that the complaint about four discharges is specifically about the four IFT launches burning methane during launch. The small percentage of partially combusted methane rains down on the surroundings, retained in the moistened exhaust. Characterizing rocket exhaust precipitation as an untreated water discharge. We are witnessing the weaponization of existing regulations.
What town are you talking about? Not Brownsville because that is a city of 200,000 and doing fine with or without Space X. And Boca Chica was also doing just dandy until Space X came in and bought up all of the property.
@@NeedsLessWedge Once they finally figured out that there is nothing they can do, now, put one or 100 in a basement parking garage at an apartment complex or condo.
@@NeedsLessWedge Watch what happens to your car insurance premiums, rather, watch what continues to happen. That Tesla semi that went up in flames did enough environmental damage to equal what may be done by 1,000,000 ICE vehicles over their entire lifetime. So there's that.
I think they should check the water in the general area then compare it with the water being discharged by delegue system. I sure they will find the water being discharged by the delegue system to be many times cleaner than the water in the local area. This information comes from a person that lived in Boca Chica. BTW The location of Starbase was Kopernik Shores. Boca Chica was about .6 tenths of a mile further down Hwy. 4.
Let's get the truth out there, the complaint was made by CNBC, not any regulator , CNBC complained to a regulation TCEQ, and they found no violation on water quality, so just some more politicing bull
Hey Elon, how about agreeing to shut down if the state and feds agree to declare the 30 mile radius as toxic and allow no one to build, travel, swim, beech, vacation, camp, or otherwise enter the area for any reason. If you’re making it so bad, ensure no one ever goes into it again. They, they sure can’t tax you on it as developed can they?
Use existing launch sites as a precedent then establish a team of stakeholders including from the other sites to determine what all of them can live with in improving their environmental footprint. This is a reasonable approach. Legal contests should only be considered if there is a serious departure from procedures at other sites or lab tests demonstrate a pollutant issue
Thank you for showing how to highlight a media report that dares to raise negative findings against SpaceX. CNBC is doing what any credible space reporter should be doing - reporting news not just advertorials.
Permit! It’s all about MONEY. What the hell did they think was going to happen when you are launching rockets? Sound like a bunch of Karen’s complaining about SpaceX. What do they do in Cape Canaveral about discharge?
Feds play by different rules...and to add to that, DoD plays by different as well. And completely different structure type with the flame trench and it's drainage and capture systems
I tried to find the actual source of the report you were using to build your podcast on. But I only found a single-sourced "CNBC" report referencing the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality (TCEQ). And they had nothing about any of this. I'm tired of politics...
If Space X developed a method to control gravity therefore eliminating 95% of fuel usage it would still be shut down, it's all about how well the politicians get treated (on X) and how large the reward for cooperation.
Politics, bureaucracy, and government greed. The complaint isn't about releasing anything other than Brownsville municipal drinking water, only about releasing Brownsville municipal drinking water without applying for a permit (and paying the fees), obtaining a permit (and paying the fees), and renewing a permit (and paying the fees). Christmas is coming. Maybe the Governor can grant SpaceX the money to pay all the past and futures fees.
There are 3,359 miles of shoreline miles and a coastline of 350 miles in gulf coast. This small part of the overall area in Texas and they should fight elsewhere . SpaceX is important to national security and space along with the survival of mankind.
SpaceX will find a way, as they always have, and will resolve the issue in ways no one else could think of. And it will be in excellently timely fashion.
@Klausjp.ontheroadagain along the entire republican party in Texas. You know, in the 1870 to 1900 we'd have called cas lovers in the d.emocratic party and after saying that
Protecting the environment is important and it’s easy to overlook stuff and become a super polluted area. However, it sounds like. People doing whatever they can to stop launches it’ll be ironic the same thing that did the California rail in stop our advancement and into space.
Thank you for not sounding like a SpaceX fanboy. I love what SpaceX is doing, but I prefer to hear news without biased opinion. Keep it up. You've earned a new subscriber.
L A W F A R E ... ongoing "concerns"...any lab tests from actual discharges??? or vague "concerns" only?...is it time for crippling lawsuits against aggressors?
How about we just build a large floating launch "Island" with it's own mfg on board along with all related industries. Then on "living islands" nearby is where those who actually do Work are given homes. And all of it in International Waters so that idiots in charge can't F it all up on a continuing basis. I volunteer to act as janitor if need be.
It's just silly, if I had Musks resources I would instantly start building a backup site somewhere more friendly. How's Mexico in these regards? I mean, there seems to be a lot of unused land just across the border from Starbase?
The regulatory approval process at the Cape is much harder. There is no way they would have been allowed to build much less test their water deluge system without an environmental review. And, their water deluge system is unique. Shooting that much water straight up at the engines is not common.
You are misinformed and not particularly observant because one can see from any video of a recent starship launch or booster test fire that the water projected from the steel plates comes up at an angle and not into the engines at all because if it did that WOULD damage them.
@michaeldeierhoi4096 Cool . Then, name the other rocket where the water comes up from steal plates on an angle so I can look it up on the internet. I would love to see another similar water deluge system, as Elon clames his is.
@@user-fr3hy9uh6y I'm not saying there is another rocket using the flame deflector like Space X. I'm saying that the water stream is directed at an angle, about 45° I might add, and so it is not directed up toward the rocket engines at all. But the outward spray of water has the effect of deflecting the rocket plume outward as well.
SpaceX uses Brownsville drinking water in their launch system. Is Brownsville TX drinking water that bad?
The water company after spilling hundreds of gallons of water while fixing a busted water line: do we need to cal someone about this toxic waste dump?
the bi-product of combustion of the fuel used (methane) is water and CO2. There is no industrial waste. thus requiring a permit is a mis-application of regulation.
The quenching system reduces noise and shock pressure pollution, and is used by all rocket launches of this scale.
This sounds like disgruntled people who like paying more taxes and don't like local employment.
(Compared to all other US space agencies or companies, spaceX is by far the cheapest per launch, so less taxes to pay for nasa bills.)
Currently spaceX is the only one that doesn't use toxic materials for rocket fuel. If the local county hasn't given them a permit (which they shouldn't need), the activists should be harassing the permit people to process the application quicker.
It's plain to us armchair youtube watchers that the objecters are not basing their objections on basic science. This is not a chemical factory. In fact if elon decides to manufacture methane from the CO2 in the air, they will be recycling the CO2 as well, which is more than can be said for the rest of the combustion happening in Texas. Comments about mercury are dubious, as mercury is not used in combustion or containers on site.🚀
Correct. Mercury they say? Where's that going to be used in a space launch? Tough to explain.
My bet is that its been planted.
Well said Sir/Madame.
It's a technicality based solely on a federal definition. If this was applied to all such violators, you would have to close all businesses & almost all homes.
@@ErikLongLeaf So where's the mercury going to have come from?
I think it was Elon that said the mercury report was false, specifically, someone multiple a number twice. So the level of mercury is what is naturally found anywhere. But when multiplied twice it makes it 100 times over. Someone made a "mistake" when doing the math for that report.
If an large asteroid was discovered to be on it's way to earth would we only start working to deflect it once all environmental studies and impact assessments had been completed and approved?
@@stephenskinner3851 without government, who would water the grass in the rain
Even if space x launched from the middle of the ocean,they would still find something else to complain about.
Invest in umbrellas. 🤡
What about the environment on the asteroid ? Is there life , maybe not as we know it , but space life. Will we destroy that environment to save our own , who are we to make such a decision ?? I could go toe Texas and dig dirt for testing , can someone go to an asteroid to dig dirt ??
@@thesink5723 That sounds like extreme sarcasm or simply an overt absurdity. If an asteroid we're heading toward to collide with earth obviously any life on it would be destroyed by an impact on earth. And destroying an approaching asteroid is an a realistic option anyway. But deflection is as described below.
Measures are already being taken to deflect an asteroid if it was perceived as threatening earth as with the DART probe the impacted on the asteroid Dimorphos in Sept. 2022. It was a successful test.
Who raised the environmental issues? Competitors to Space X?
Local groups who never complain a out trash on the beach.
i wonder the same. first to mind iz bow wing. dirty deeds done dirt cheap. they dont like the attention around their ⭐liner and the dragons. 🪄 🚀🐉
@@k-omega-beta9305 in theory. Never underestimate well meaning and biased fools.
Benzo!
Possibly the Chinese or even the Russians would be happy to sponsor any opposition to Musk and Spacex. Putin paid for Brexit. Best investment he made!
They are trying to go to Mars to escape human stupidity...
It’s not so much that people are stupid but that we are immature .
Regrettably the Earth bound stupidity would soon follow to Mars.
Human stupidity is in the human species itself, no matter what planet it's on and who is on that planet.
One human is enough stupid to start the ticket.
No! They're trying to bring human stupidity to Mars on a fool's errand.
Ohh yes, the data shows! Which data? They don’t know
It is BS and we all know it!
I think it is time for Elon to find out, "who is John Galt"....
SpaceX should move 2 miles south into Mexico and do away with all this BS.
Oh sure as if that were an easy to accomplish option financially and otherwise!? 🙄
I was thinking the same but, I believe they would not be permitted to fly US gov Sats or people on it.
And their discharge water is cleaner than the rainfall!!
Thats false.
@@Patch1xohow do you figure?
@@Patch1xo It's completely true the water is drinking water.
@@Patch1xocite, with bibliography.
@@GrigoriZhukov "bibliography"? Lol - back to the dictionary for you.
How much environmental destruction do Hurricanes cause when they come ashore? Do hurricanes obtain authorisation?
@@k-omega-beta9305
The last one destroyed ur mind.
All the competitors of SpaceX constantly whine about SpaceX and write complaints at the Kennedy Space Center and Cape Canaveral. They must delay Musk till they can catch up.
This all about Elon being a conservative. Far left and activists and media are all in on these complaints .
Elon is way more than "conservative", he's radical. But that's politics, it has nothing to do with space flight. If that's behind any of this, it needs to stop now.
100% correct and easy to predict
YUP! It is political for sure!
If they still thought Elon was liberal, he would have zero issues.
But Elon is to intelligent to be liberal and they don't like it.
@@arrowman4 he's not a conservative, he's a classic liberal. Just the left has gone so far left, that even moderates are considered conservative by far leftist
DO IT!!! CANCEL EVERYTHING! See how the pentagon reacts.
Pentagon won’t care. Most of their work is on Falcon 9 and Falcon heavy. As far as point to point cargo transport goes, the pentagon has wanted that forever and can wait a little longer for Blue Origin to do it.
@@max-q7129 He said cancel everything. Cancel all government contracts. Falcon 9 is profitable just flying Starlink.
At least profitable enough, SpaceX could keep going while the government feels the pain.
@@max-q7129if he stops he will stop EVERYTHING! It wont take 2 weeks.
Triple Like on this comment. Also, English ghouls in Parliament attacking Elon also constitute a national security threat to the USA for the same reason.
@@max-q7129 Artemis
Notice how these complaints just came up after the last NASA update on the failed Starliner?
Wow!! And so do you think that weak correlation is relevant?!?!
@@michaeldeierhoi4096- hmm,
ya know, timing is everything...
ask the wives! LOL.
@@michaeldeierhoi4096 Politics and $$$
Environmentalists are extremely hypicrical when it comes to chemicals flushed down toilets everyday. Has anyone ever looked at hormone pills, the contraception pill in particular on how that affects wildlife?
did you loose some?
They should shut it all down in Texas, and move everything to Florida, then move all their corporate headquarters to Florida as well. We would love to have them here.
No we want him here in Texas! Far too much infrastructure already built here, to just abandon it. They will overcome this - and they deserve for it to be overcome. This whole thing is much ado about nothing.
@@PaulSter I have a better proposal. Let's move SpaceX to China, nobody will complain about environmental requirements. The real win-win situation. Americans don't need space industry. And anyway most of the US companies are doing it, starting from democratoc and environmental sensible Apple ending at Tesla. But seriously, if this is so important gov agencies should help to solve this problem. But I see more and more Americans became more and more stupid. I have the conspiracy theory that BR is keeping its hand on water treatment production which is served to biggest cities population. Probably mercury effect.
@@PaulSterthe facilities would be great place for the cartels to use as a hub
SpaceX is already under a wide-spread attack at Canaveral. The attacks started up rather abruptly. Looks like a BO based problem.
@@NeedsLessWedge ha - no thank you very much!
The issue stems simply from the nomenclature describing the water usage at Space X. The actual process is nearly identical to rainwater, which depending on atmospheric conditions could contain more harmful contaminants (effectively nil) with a far greater volume of water. By definition the water could be named wastewater because it was involved in a process for heat dispersion and sound dampening. So the reality is a rainstorm could be considered a process of cooling atmospheric temperatures and sound suppression. The rainwater has gone through a process of evaporation and then precipitation so the rainwater has gone through a similar process.
This one of the areas environmental and code legislation can often subordinate something called common sense. I worked with a company in So. California that reclaimed and refined precious metals. A prime example of legislation vs. common sense would be the following. If I was in the assay lab and poured the most popular soft drink into a beaker and an EPA auditor was on the premises and saw me dumping or rinsing the beaker after drinking most of the soda. He would likely want a sample of it for testing. Particularly if the soda was from an aluminum can, the results would have been in violation of the EPA and wastewater guidelines and the company would have been fined. The PPM of carbonic acid, phosphoric acid and lead, and potentially another trace metal would have exceeded the amount considered safe for disposal into the sewer system. If the EPA auditor saw me dumping the soda from the retail labeled can, there would have been no violation because common sense would tell him it is no big deal. The nomenclature of the unknown substance in the beaker whereas the nomenclature of the labeled can of soda would be soda and thus okay to dump the remains of the contents of the can, but not okay to dump the remains of the same contents in the beaker.
That may not be the best parallel for what is happening at Space X, but very, very close to the same type of thing. I have had to deal with CAL-OSHA, OSHA, AQMD, EPA, local and state building code inspectors, DOT and the list goes on. From my experience, the real issue is more to do with fear of the potential exposure to the public and how it would be perceived. So, if you make this appear to be a complex problem and invest a lot of time investigating the problem, the public is generally satisfied, if you don't the perception is the agency doesn't care is not doing it's due diligence. Of course I could be wrong, but the solution is cheap and simple. EPA needs to sample the water before, during and after the flooding, possibly even sampling the air in the immediate vicinity as well. It actually takes on water flush sampling with engine ignitions and that's it. In fact, installation of fairly inexpensive sampling devices could could monitor on a periodic basis to record any potential changes in the water, air and soil quality. I have done the tests over 45 years ago on a directly coupled plasma spectrometer and each test took about 3-4 hours maximum. I am sure the tech is much faster today than it was back then. Back then the spectrometer was connected to a brand new, very expensive 386 computer.
Awh, the 386... Those were the days... and days, and days... lol. I still have one and use it as a word processor on Windows 3.12.
And yup, it's stable !!!! lol.
(dos 6 I think!)
These groups and tribes can "accuse" all they want. I really don't see them as a risk to SpaceX's operations in Boca Chica, but really, more of a nuisance. The fact is, nothing short of wiping the entire operation off the map is going to make them happy. Let's not forget about the powerful forces that want SpaceX to succeed. Heck, the vast majority of the people of Brownsville, and other nearby residents, desperately want SpaceX there. Of course, our state does as well.
Let's also not forget about the powerful forces that want SpaceX to FAIL.
Actually I believe they are just angeling for a big financial payoff. Just like the earlier one where Spacex provided a bunch of money for turtles and birds. Apparently not everyone got their share of the money so they are back for more.
Maybe SpaceX need to just move to Tonga
Screw these environmentalists. SE HOW THE ECONOMY LIKES SPACEX SHUTTING DOWN!
Can you name a problem that doesn't currently exist ?? You can't build to protect something no one even sees !! If that were true , no gas cars would have been ever produced , no tampons that contain , I think mercury? , Chernobyl would never have happened , so many other things. How long did it take to find out about asbestos??
@@k-omega-beta9305 - yup !
LMAO.
Space X using tap water basically, most gets turned into steam (gets distilled), rocket exhaust is mostly steam, and no processing of water anywhere - sounds like a regulation being wrongly applied - regulation might be applicable for mine tailing ponds - but not for boiling pue water.
If Texas environmental officials are really concerned about the environment, they should be outraged at all of the fracking facilities across the state! Perhaps they should test Austin drinking water for mercury & other “industrial waste” contaminates! I would guess the mercury levels in Austin drinking water are more than 11parts per million that their complaint against Starbase lists!
What would happen to the economy of the area if SpaceX moved off shore into a private island or old oil platform in international waters
I’m sure Mexico would love SpaceX if the US doesn’t.
And how easy do you think it is to pick up a multi-billion dollar project and move it to another country without even considering the extenuating circumstances??
@@michaeldeierhoi4096
Like Tesla you mean?
It's drinking water, tap water, watering their lawn water. It's not contaminated "waste-water". Don't be silly.
If SpaceX built a launch site on the end of a pier over the Ocean, the environmentalists would claim the water deluge would harm the Ocean. Regardless, SpaceX moving towards a flame trench diverter on the 2nd tower greatly reduces the amount of water used
Political and competitive interference !!!!
Go spacex starship and booster go for flights 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Go SpaceX !!!!
👉🤣😂😭🤣🤣😁😁
Next, he will move the site 2 miles south.
Keep dreaming.
This is what happens when BIG BROTHER disagrees with who you support for President. Don't worry they are only looking out for our best interests, so vote RIGHT (For who we chose ) or else.
You are really reaching with that statement. Let us know if you grab the moon with that reach!?
SpaceX originally planned Boca Chica for the Falcon. It is a better location for equatorial launches. In 2018, SpaceX announced a change in plans to use it exclusively for Starship.
worrying about the first flight now is silly, that won't happen again,
Keep it up and SpaceX will move a few miles south across the border.
That is about as likely as the earth getting hit by a 10 km wide asteroid!! 😅😂
They can't move out of the US. Way too many industrial secrets. This is why SpaceX can't hire just anyone off the street no matter what they know or how skilled they are. The government has rules SpaceX must follow.
Mercury. how bizarre. I'd be testing where the water came from and the tanker or whatever the water was transported in. strange. 🚀
Where's the mercury coming from? My bet is environmentalists planted it.
You would lose that bet!! 😂😅
@@michaeldeierhoi4096 Where's it coming from then?
@@adenwellsmith6908 I haven't studied the subject to answer the source of the mercury, but to accuse the environmentalists of planting it with zero evidence is irresponsible, conspiracy theory talk.
@@adenwellsmith6908 from Uranus
Mexico would love to have SpaceX. Just imagine the NASA pukes seeing that big rocket go up with the Mexican flag on the side.
It seems to me that the complaint about four discharges is specifically about the four IFT launches burning methane during launch.
The small percentage of partially combusted methane rains down on the surroundings, retained in the moistened exhaust.
Characterizing rocket exhaust precipitation as an untreated water discharge. We are witnessing the weaponization of existing regulations.
The town would dry up without SpaceX
What town are you talking about? Not Brownsville because that is a city of 200,000 and doing fine with or without Space X. And Boca Chica was also doing just dandy until Space X came in and bought up all of the property.
Ever watch firefighters put out an EV fire? 🔥
@@DCGreenZone I've seen them sit back and watch the EV burn and try and protect everything around it.
@@NeedsLessWedge Once they finally figured out that there is nothing they can do, now, put one or 100 in a basement parking garage at an apartment complex or condo.
@@DCGreenZonea nice insurance write-off for upside down investment property owners.
@@NeedsLessWedge Watch what happens to your car insurance premiums, rather, watch what continues to happen. That Tesla semi that went up in flames did enough environmental damage to equal what may be done by 1,000,000 ICE vehicles over their entire lifetime. So there's that.
I have an old azz truck and the state only requires liability. So I'm glad I don't have to worry too much.
Imagine if the government paperwork doesn't allow astronauts to come back to Earth on Starship for this reason.
Environmental regulations are for little people.
Great coverage! Sad to see, like crabs in a bucket 🦀 slowing down progress.
I think they should check the water in the general area then compare it with the water being discharged by delegue system. I sure they will find the water being discharged by the delegue system to be many times cleaner than the water in the local area. This information comes from a person that lived in Boca Chica. BTW The location of Starbase was Kopernik Shores. Boca Chica was about .6 tenths of a mile further down Hwy. 4.
Maybe SpaceX should leave Texas?
Let's get the truth out there, the complaint was made by CNBC, not any regulator , CNBC complained to a regulation TCEQ, and they found no violation on water quality, so just some more politicing bull
Hey Elon, how about agreeing to shut down if the state and feds agree to declare the 30 mile radius as toxic and allow no one to build, travel, swim, beech, vacation, camp, or otherwise enter the area for any reason. If you’re making it so bad, ensure no one ever goes into it again. They, they sure can’t tax you on it as developed can they?
If the people don’t like it, let them move to somewhere else .
Seems to me that Musk is getting gov on his back
The level is .113 and not 113. There is no violation as the mercury levels reported on that page were a typo
Use existing launch sites as a precedent then establish a team of stakeholders including from the other sites to determine what all of them can live with in improving their environmental footprint. This is a reasonable approach. Legal contests should only be considered if there is a serious departure from procedures at other sites or lab tests demonstrate a pollutant issue
Thank you for showing how to highlight a media report that dares to raise negative findings against SpaceX. CNBC is doing what any credible space reporter should be doing - reporting news not just advertorials.
Permit! It’s all about MONEY. What the hell did they think was going to happen when you are launching rockets? Sound like a bunch of Karen’s complaining about SpaceX. What do they do in Cape Canaveral about discharge?
Wow what a click bate title..
Unless it's true!?!? 😅😂
I suspect this has more to do with Musk's political leanings than the environment.
Doesn’t the cape have the same problem? What do they do there about the water 💦?
Feds play by different rules...and to add to that, DoD plays by different as well.
And completely different structure type with the flame trench and it's drainage and capture systems
I tried to find the actual source of the report you were using to build your podcast on. But I only found a single-sourced "CNBC" report referencing the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality (TCEQ). And they had nothing about any of this. I'm tired of politics...
The water was PURE. Perfect drinking water.
@@Wirmish It took 5 days for anybody else to simply check the sourcing to prove that CNBC are absolute LIARS!!! I did it within 5 minutes and knew...
If Space X developed a method to control gravity therefore eliminating 95% of fuel usage it would still be shut down, it's all about how well the politicians get treated (on X) and how large the reward for cooperation.
going like this, steam locomotives would never have operated in history.
Typical Elmo scofflaw move. He thinks he's above mere mortals.
Patiently waiting in Manchester UK
Politics, bureaucracy, and government greed.
The complaint isn't about releasing anything other than Brownsville municipal drinking water, only about releasing Brownsville municipal drinking water without applying for a permit (and paying the fees), obtaining a permit (and paying the fees), and renewing a permit (and paying the fees).
Christmas is coming.
Maybe the Governor can grant SpaceX the money to pay all the past and futures fees.
On the Mars this waste water would be priced in pure gold
When they launched before the deluge system, if it happened to rain the next day, would that be an unauthorized discharge?
It never fails. Everytime someone attempts something heroic and uplifting, some silly bureaucrat finds a way to disrupt it!
There are 3,359 miles of shoreline miles and a coastline of 350 miles in gulf coast. This small part of the overall area in Texas and they should fight elsewhere . SpaceX is important to national security and space along with the survival of mankind.
Again a lawsuit against those who complain is crucial !!!
If there is an opening for a launch on Tower 1, what would it take to allow for a Tower 2 launch?
The PodCaster himself doesn’t seem well informed on all that’s going on. Maybe more research before posting is in order.
SpaceX will find a way, as they always have, and will resolve the issue in ways no one else could think of. And it will be in excellently timely fashion.
Space x should set up a star base in Australia
Mr Abbott kick the people causing trouble out of Texas!!!!
Yeah and his brand of republican need to be yeeted off plaent.
he is the problem
@Klausjp.ontheroadagain along the entire republican party in Texas. You know, in the 1870 to 1900 we'd have called cas lovers in the d.emocratic party and after saying that
If the U.S. and Texas wants to play these silly games, maybe some other country would be willing to host the launch site.
Great job covering this.
Why doesn't SpaceX use a desalination plant to use only the natural water from that location ? That should shut those tree huggers up....
Such a plant creates seawater brine as a byproduct...
Are the companies who are putting forward complaints vetted, checked for where contributions and funding has come from.
OMG how'd i lose you on UA-cam! I blame them!!!
Doesn’t SpaceX get its water from municipal water sources
I would think it would be easy enough to recycle the water, given the holding pound , drelatively hot and dry climate, little contamination.
Musk should tell FAA...we land on tower or we land on the NATIONAL MALL!
Space X competitors are constantly filing lawsuits to use lawfare for financial benefit.
I hear the words “Potentially could “ not “Has”. That is not evidence of wrong doing. This is not addressing a problem.
No, started after THE interview. Everything was fine before
Protecting the environment is important and it’s easy to overlook stuff and become a super polluted area. However, it sounds like. People doing whatever they can to stop launches it’ll be ironic the same thing that did the California rail in stop our advancement and into space.
Shutting down the SpaceX site as handing the Chinese the space race on a silver platter.
Buy a very large island and make your own country. How many other groups can launch as many missions as SpaceX?
Thank you for not sounding like a SpaceX fanboy. I love what SpaceX is doing, but I prefer to hear news without biased opinion. Keep it up. You've earned a new subscriber.
Thank you. I try my hardest to report the news and not take a side. I appreciate your support
L A W F A R E ... ongoing "concerns"...any lab tests from actual discharges??? or vague "concerns" only?...is it time for crippling lawsuits against aggressors?
Sounds like the environmentalists want to be held responsible for delaying the future of humanity. Not a label I would want to have to carry around.
Great one. Almost at 100K! Lets go Wil.
I'm a great environmentalist. But if they had there way we would be in the stone age. With no people even alive. I bet they drive to there meetings
How about we just build a large floating launch "Island" with it's own mfg on board along with all related industries. Then on "living islands" nearby is where those who actually do Work are given homes. And all of it in International Waters so that idiots in charge can't F it all up on a continuing basis. I volunteer to act as janitor if need be.
We build wind mills and solar farms with hardly a wisper from the envirmental groups and they are hard on the land. Whats with that? 🤔🤨
“All environmental concerns”, these are never ending. Much like every vote should count no matter whether one has voted a 1,000 times.
It's just silly, if I had Musks resources I would instantly start building a backup site somewhere more friendly. How's Mexico in these regards? I mean, there seems to be a lot of unused land just across the border from Starbase?
Shut it down Elon...teach them to shut up.....or do it themselves
How long before SpaceX moves out of the US?
Just leave NASAs astronauts and space station where they are nobody else can get them down
So , Elon is throwing a tantrum?
It seems to me, evaporation is key. Why can’t this suspected water just be evaporated via sun, boiling to make electricity. Seems simple.
The water is pure.
The government agencies are crazy.... of maybe they don't like Musk.
The regulatory approval process at the Cape is much harder. There is no way they would have been allowed to build much less test their water deluge system without an environmental review. And, their water deluge system is unique. Shooting that much water straight up at the engines is not common.
You are misinformed and not particularly observant because one can see from any video of a recent starship launch or booster test fire that the water projected from the steel plates comes up at an angle and not into the engines at all because if it did that WOULD damage them.
@michaeldeierhoi4096 Cool . Then, name the other rocket where the water comes up from steal plates on an angle so I can look it up on the internet. I would love to see another similar water deluge system, as Elon clames his is.
@@user-fr3hy9uh6y I'm not saying there is another rocket using the flame deflector like Space X. I'm saying that the water stream is directed at an angle, about 45° I might add, and so it is not directed up toward the rocket engines at all. But the outward spray of water has the effect of deflecting the rocket plume outward as well.
I’ve been thinking that Spacex might be better off elsewhere, it’s a shame, but what ya gonna do?
Who's your source ??????